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On May 21 2009 02:56 L wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 02:53 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On May 21 2009 02:37 L wrote:
Let me ask the number of players who are voting and ignoring the thread.
What happens if Ver flips towns?
What happens if both candidates are mafia? If Ver flips town then FUCK. Its the risk we take EVERY TIME we lynch someone. We have to work with what we got, if nothing else it limits who the vision/sight clues can link to. If Ver flips innocent and we believe for SURE that one offical HAS to be a mafia (for whatever fucking reason) we can request that the Vigi hits him. Even if it causes chaos with no officials. I understand Ver is busy, maybe its just an excuse or maybe its not. Why would he sign up for mafia if he has SUCH important exams coming up? I thought all of us were basically out of school now. But whatever, maybe its legit. In fact it most likely is. But his posts still have not been THAT constructive. Hes not really doing much. 1. Don't depend on Vig to be reading the thread. Do it yourself if you can. 2. And if they're both mafia?
There is only like 3 people not reading/posting/voting actively. Using people who get bored like that are most likely town not the only vigi who when he makes his hit can tell us and we can figure out how qatol makes his clues.
Also 0cz3c stop posting retarded 1 liners. Your just posting enough for us to not look at you as inactive but never contributing much. Its just suspicious, although I will admit usually its a nice comic relief amid the arguing of Ace and L. I also think that you reinforced Ace's idea for role checking candidates is your way of just kind of laughing as you basically tell the town "ROLE CHECK ME! I am mafia" Its a type of arrogance to be able to say "Hey come on, I am mafia!" but are just blending in so well that we don't even notice, even though you are practically shouting it from the rooftops.
On May 21 2009 02:56 L wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 02:53 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On May 21 2009 02:37 L wrote:
Let me ask the number of players who are voting and ignoring the thread.
What happens if Ver flips towns?
What happens if both candidates are mafia? If Ver flips town then FUCK. Its the risk we take EVERY TIME we lynch someone. We have to work with what we got, if nothing else it limits who the vision/sight clues can link to. If Ver flips innocent and we believe for SURE that one offical HAS to be a mafia (for whatever fucking reason) we can request that the Vigi hits him. Even if it causes chaos with no officials. I understand Ver is busy, maybe its just an excuse or maybe its not. Why would he sign up for mafia if he has SUCH important exams coming up? I thought all of us were basically out of school now. But whatever, maybe its legit. In fact it most likely is. But his posts still have not been THAT constructive. Hes not really doing much. 1. Don't depend on Vig to be reading the thread. Do it yourself if you can. 2. And if they're both mafia?
Ace will eventually do more shit that is not beneficial to the town and we will kill him too. Its simple. He can't pardon himself.
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On May 21 2009 03:00 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 02:59 L wrote:On May 21 2009 02:51 Mynock wrote:L, you honestly think there's some kind of underground network you're going to flush out once Ace is dead? Just so you know, this is all the information you get from our PMs with Ace this round: From: Ace
Subject: Re: Hey
Date: 5/18/09 00:19
paranoid towny, or mafia trying to change his style. Either way I'm slightly ignoring his posts at the moment.
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Original Message:
What do u think about L? Let's see how you can process the ridiculous amount of data in all that. Lol, compare that to my pms: To: Bockit
Subject: Re: If it makes a difference
Date: 5/20/09 13:34
Ok.
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I too feel that the argument between Ace and Ver back during the election was terribly contrived.
I do want to see Ace killed tonight (as in, before I agreed to your plan in the thread), part of the reasoning behind my posts in the thread was that I wanted to see how Ace responded to my defense of him, and your accusation. He just sat back, which to me indicates more that he's mafia, as they are usually willing to let Town do their work for them (in this case me arguing for him). I'm pretty confident now I've agreed to the plan you're proposing, we're going to see Ace come rocking into the thread "What the fuck is wrong with the town" etc.
If he does, I'm going to post this pm btw. And its not really an underground network. Voting in mafia to office always uses the same pattern. Go look at previous games. No, seriously, this is Mynock homework. Want to do some good for the town? Go label the voting order for every mafia voter in each mafia office attempt. See if you find a pattern. I know what it is and have posted it. Go see if i'm full of shit. done
I don't see Mynock's homework on the table.
Town would benefit from looking at the pattern of past mafia voting in office elections. I dont' see how you can try to be offensive about this.
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Because those aren't answers your giving L - you keep giving us made up scenarios. Answer the questions with some logic and stop playing like shit.
Ver and I are both Mafia, hence we'd want to make ourselves vulnerable to vigis just so we could pull an amazing trick on the town? Incredible!
And why would I examine the voting order of the people who voted for myself or Ver when it's even BETTER if I stick to my original plan and look at the candidates who lost the election. It's a smaller sample of players and we've already concluded that it's likely one of the people that ran for Mayor/Pardoner is Mafia. Stop trying to divert the town from that path.
Vigi - kill L tonight.
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On May 21 2009 03:05 Ace wrote:
Ver and I are both Mafia
Vigi - kill L tonight.
HE ADMITTED IT! AND HE WANTS US TO WASTE TEH VIGI HIT!
scum
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On May 21 2009 03:05 Ace wrote:
Because those aren't answers your giving L - you keep giving us made up scenarios. Answer the questions with some logic and stop playing like shit.
Ver and I are both Mafia, hence we'd want to make ourselves vulnerable to vigis just so we could pull an amazing trick on the town? Incredible!
And why would I examine the voting order of the people who voted for myself or Ver when it's even BETTER if I stick to my original plan and look at the candidates who lost the election. It's a smaller sample of players and we've already concluded that it's likely one of the people that ran for Mayor/Pardoner is Mafia. Stop trying to divert the town from that path.
Vigi - kill L tonight.
Lol. Go read the post. I gave you every possible outcome of how they ended up killing the bodyguards and why they could do it. Why would you suspect Ver of killing both BGs if the above applies? Clearly there must have been some amazing trick to putting himself in danger regardless of your innocence or not, right?
And I'm not the one trying to divert the town from that path. I'm the one trying to get the best possible result from that assured 1 of 2 situation.
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Oh and to follow up on my post about 0cz3c and in regards to the death of BOTH BG's
While the leaking both is possible but unlikely. Here is what I think is more likely. One of them was leaked and the other was behavior killed. That seems most reasonable on how BOTH BG's could die in a single night.
Now how the leaking could of gone about, I don't know. But if I had to guess I would say that Lucas might of been leaked. Lets just pretend for a minute that 0cz3c is indeed mafia. Lucas is his twin brother. 0cz3c could of either went on his account/computer and saw his role or maybe lucas thought he could read his brothers play style and said his role.
Mikeymoo was trying to stay out of the spotlight which might of got him pinned as a blue. Seems reasonable enough, doesn't it?
Just keep in mind 0cz3c's posting behavior as I stated earlier, along with the possibility of role leaking from his brother. In a veteran game if you don't think many will get tricked into revealing there roles, whats the most logical reasoning after that? It is against the rules but we can't prove it and its just modest speculation on my part.
I think this is the most reasonable account of how both BG's could have died, which would also implicate a mafia.
If lucas really suspected Ace/Ver of being traitor/mafia or something, he wouldn't tell them his role.
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Wondering why Ver doesn't post? He doesn't need to. Not as long as he has YOU, L.
Everything is in perfect order for him. He knows he's busted, but hey, the Town won't lynch him anyway, they have L! "He'll make sure Town wastes this lynch, so why the fuck should we even be involved, right?"
Ver will come in towards the very end, put his votes on Ace, and that's that. And the other Mafiosi? By that time they'll be all around on random targets, or on Ver himself.
If Ver's votes suddenly get a surge, he'll come in sooner. He'll make a long post shifting the blame to all kinds of people, and we might see some of those who voted away from Ace, suddenly return, "convinced" by Ver's post.
This is why voting Ver makes the most sense. Whoever doesn't want to lynch Ver now, is suspicious, if the Ver votes gain momentum, whoever tries to turn the tide is suspicious.
Remember tho, Ver still hasn't even played his 2 votes yet! That without even making his soon-to-come post about why Ace such a juicier target, bound to convince some gullible Townies.
Do you realize just how deep his rake is up your asses yet?
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That is the 1 luck 1 claim scenario. The scenario which looks safest from mafia's point of view pre-hit.
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wait, did you just call me mafia?
lolwtf? It also opens the option of why if a mafia is in office they would kill 2 BGs. It was an accident. Only purposely hit one. If mafia know BGs and have someone in office they sometimes do that because it gives them the ability to just quick kill the other BG later in the game and then get the other elected official.
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On May 21 2009 03:32 Mynock wrote:
Wondering why Ver doesn't post? He doesn't need to. Not as long as he has YOU, L.
Everything is in perfect order for him. He knows he's busted, but hey, the Town won't lynch him anyway, they have L! "He'll make sure Town wastes this lynch, so why the fuck should we even be involved, right?"
Ver will come in towards the very end, put his votes on Ace, and that's that. And the other Mafiosi? By that time they'll be all around on random targets, or on Ver himself.
If Ver's votes suddenly get a surge, he'll come in sooner. He'll make a long post shifting the blame to all kinds of people, and we might see some of those who voted away from Ace, suddenly return, "convinced" by Ver's post.
This is why voting Ver makes the most sense. Whoever doesn't want to lynch Ver now, is suspicious, if the Ver votes gain momentum, whoever tries to turn the tide is suspicious.
Remember tho, Ver still hasn't even played his 2 votes yet! That without even making his soon-to-come post about why Ace such a juicier target, bound to convince some gullible Townies.
Do you realize just how deep his rake is up your asses yet?
I'm cool with having ver vig hit the first night. Where's the delay here? Regardless of what we do, we can't knock down KP with a single kill. the double lynch happens essentially during the same kp cycle as our vig hit, so why depend on the vig? O_o.
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On May 21 2009 03:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
wait, did you just call me mafia?
lolwtf? It also opens the option of why if a mafia is in office they would kill 2 BGs. It was an accident. Only purposely hit one. If mafia know BGs and have someone in office they sometimes do that because it gives them the ability to just quick kill the other BG later in the game and then get the other elected official.
Uh, no i didn't?
I agree with your analysis: I was pointing to the fact that I did a similar analysis earlier and called it 1 luck 1 roleclaim, and that it was a very safe play by mafia because they didn't know they would hit both BGs, like you're saying.
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On May 21 2009 03:42 L wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 03:32 Mynock wrote:
Wondering why Ver doesn't post? He doesn't need to. Not as long as he has YOU, L.
Everything is in perfect order for him. He knows he's busted, but hey, the Town won't lynch him anyway, they have L! "He'll make sure Town wastes this lynch, so why the fuck should we even be involved, right?"
Ver will come in towards the very end, put his votes on Ace, and that's that. And the other Mafiosi? By that time they'll be all around on random targets, or on Ver himself.
If Ver's votes suddenly get a surge, he'll come in sooner. He'll make a long post shifting the blame to all kinds of people, and we might see some of those who voted away from Ace, suddenly return, "convinced" by Ver's post.
This is why voting Ver makes the most sense. Whoever doesn't want to lynch Ver now, is suspicious, if the Ver votes gain momentum, whoever tries to turn the tide is suspicious.
Remember tho, Ver still hasn't even played his 2 votes yet! That without even making his soon-to-come post about why Ace such a juicier target, bound to convince some gullible Townies.
Do you realize just how deep his rake is up your asses yet? I'm cool with having ver vig hit the first night. Where's the delay here? Regardless of what we do, we can't knock down KP with a single kill. the double lynch happens essentially during the same kp cycle as our vig hit, so why depend on the vig? O_o.
Apparently you don't understand what I'm saying here.
Ver doesn't come because everything goes to plan? Why? Cause we're about to lynch an innocent. He knows he's out, but why would he be involved here? No need. The Town is making a mistake as it is now, and he needs not to intervene.
Stop with your endless accusations of Ace, you'll see how Ver jumps back here in an instant.
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On May 21 2009 03:46 Mynock wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 03:42 L wrote:On May 21 2009 03:32 Mynock wrote:
Wondering why Ver doesn't post? He doesn't need to. Not as long as he has YOU, L.
Everything is in perfect order for him. He knows he's busted, but hey, the Town won't lynch him anyway, they have L! "He'll make sure Town wastes this lynch, so why the fuck should we even be involved, right?"
Ver will come in towards the very end, put his votes on Ace, and that's that. And the other Mafiosi? By that time they'll be all around on random targets, or on Ver himself.
If Ver's votes suddenly get a surge, he'll come in sooner. He'll make a long post shifting the blame to all kinds of people, and we might see some of those who voted away from Ace, suddenly return, "convinced" by Ver's post.
This is why voting Ver makes the most sense. Whoever doesn't want to lynch Ver now, is suspicious, if the Ver votes gain momentum, whoever tries to turn the tide is suspicious.
Remember tho, Ver still hasn't even played his 2 votes yet! That without even making his soon-to-come post about why Ace such a juicier target, bound to convince some gullible Townies.
Do you realize just how deep his rake is up your asses yet? I'm cool with having ver vig hit the first night. Where's the delay here? Regardless of what we do, we can't knock down KP with a single kill. the double lynch happens essentially during the same kp cycle as our vig hit, so why depend on the vig? O_o. Apparently you don't understand what I'm saying here. Ver doesn't come because everything goes to plan? Why? Cause we're about to lynch an innocent. He knows he's out, but why would he be involved here? No need. The Town is making a mistake as it is now, and he needs not to intervene. Stop with your endless accusations of Ace, you'll see how Ver jumps back here in an instant.
Or if they're both mafia, Ver's absence draws suspicion to him and pulls it away from Ace. Again, if they're both mafia, they're setting up an Either/Or scenario in order to make Ver's death lend credibility to mafia Ace.
Mynock. What happens if they're both mafia? What happens if ver flips town? Both situations we get FUCKED. In my plan we only get fucked if there's a double innocent lynch. An innocent Ace death would at least provide security for the following double lynch + information on his voting list. It is the best possible situation in which to take out someone suspicious.
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Well great. I really don't know what the fuck to think now. Thanks a lot everybody.
But I've got to follow through with the threat I made in my last post.
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On May 21 2009 04:46 Scamp wrote:
Well great. I really don't know what the fuck to think now. Thanks a lot everybody.
But I've got to follow through with the threat I made in my last post.
No body remembers the last post you made.
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Hmm, I guess what I said earlier could also implicate Ver a little bit? Hes really good at blue sniping and could of thought that Mikeymoo was a medic. I think a medic and a BG would have similar behavior. While a DT would try to subtly reveal his information and hope not to get noticed for what he is, a medic has to do that but not reveal information. The same with a BG. They try not to get hit.
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EBWOP: Once again, that is just pure speculation.
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or the DT could be an asshat and just shout his role out... :D
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On May 21 2009 04:49 nemY wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 04:46 Scamp wrote:
Well great. I really don't know what the fuck to think now. Thanks a lot everybody.
But I've got to follow through with the threat I made in my last post. No body remembers the last post you made.
Yeah, I figured this was the case. But it's also strange to me that Ver hasn't talked at all. Plus if anyone wants to look me up they will see my last post and if nothing changes I have to stick to my guns.
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so how many mafia are tipping the scales for ace? ...
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