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Falcynn
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3597 Posts
March 19 2008 15:46 GMT
#1021
For anyone who cares, Randombum just pulled ahead of Empyrean. Right now the vote tallies for the top 3 are.

Ace-31
randombum-20
Empyrean-18
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 19 2008 15:49 GMT
#1022
No I disagree. If Emp is pardoner he should be able to pardon, as he might be detective....and be more inclined to know who is mafioso
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
Ziel
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Malaysia241 Posts
March 19 2008 15:51 GMT
#1023
On March 19 2008 07:25 fusionsdf wrote:


suspicioussss....empy edited post!
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JoxxOr
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Sweden1502 Posts
March 19 2008 15:52 GMT
#1024
when will the voting be done?
Gör om, gör rätt
Ziel
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Malaysia241 Posts
March 19 2008 15:53 GMT
#1025
Quoted from bottom of page 35
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Pangolin
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1035 Posts
March 19 2008 15:53 GMT
#1026
If he is able to tell us why he is pardoning somebody and the town agrees I don't see why we shouldn't allow him to pardon people, the same as any pardoner.

Are we waiting for most people to vote before closing polls or is there some kind of time limit?
It's easier not to.
Ziel
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Malaysia241 Posts
March 19 2008 15:55 GMT
#1027
Oh and if people are wondering why that's suspicious, last game someone actually wrote to reveal his role and left it for like 5mins and then edited it out. Who knows, maybe there was something in that empty quote or maybe there wasnt. But its all the way at the bottom of page 35 as the last post...so maybe it had something..idk lol too much reading to do!
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Falcynn
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3597 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-19 15:55:56
March 19 2008 15:55 GMT
#1028
On March 20 2008 00:51 Ziel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2008 07:25 fusionsdf wrote:


suspicioussss....empy edited post!
Well he edited it out on the same minute as he original posted it, so he probably meant to post it in another topic.
Kau *
Profile Joined March 2007
Canada3502 Posts
March 19 2008 15:56 GMT
#1029
On March 20 2008 00:53 Pangolin wrote:
If he is able to tell us why he is pardoning somebody and the town agrees I don't see why we shouldn't allow him to pardon people, the same as any pardoner.

Are we waiting for most people to vote before closing polls or is there some kind of time limit?


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67925&currentpage=18#348

Have you tried reading this?
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Pangolin
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1035 Posts
March 19 2008 16:05 GMT
#1030
On March 20 2008 00:56 Kau wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2008 00:53 Pangolin wrote:
If he is able to tell us why he is pardoning somebody and the town agrees I don't see why we shouldn't allow him to pardon people, the same as any pardoner.

Are we waiting for most people to vote before closing polls or is there some kind of time limit?


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67925&currentpage=18#348

Have you tried reading this?


Well I just reread it and now I understand. Before I thought that "A vote count will be done tomorrow sometime and I will move to night the day after that" meant that the polls would be closed yesterday. Now I remember the mayor is announced in the night. Thanks for helping me clear that up.
It's easier not to.
dinmsab
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Malaysia2246 Posts
March 19 2008 16:09 GMT
#1031
Voting for randombum.
..
Ziel
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Malaysia241 Posts
March 19 2008 16:13 GMT
#1032
On March 19 2008 09:09 Kau wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2008 09:02 Ace wrote:
On March 19 2008 08:57 Kau wrote:
Ace:

About your Bodyguard plan, what stops a mafia mayor from pming each actual bodyguard with a list that is something like:

mafia 1
mafia 2
mafia 3
bodyguard #

Each actual bodyguard would get a pm back from each of the fake mafia-bodyguards and they wouldn't know.

Then once the mayor gets checked by a detective, couldn't there be fake mafia-detectives that state that the mayor is innocent?


They can't because all the other Bodyguards that didn't get a PM would know something is wrong. In the event that they do that, it just helps the town because we can just apply all clues and DT/Jack power to that list of suspects and catch the Mafia asap.

No fake detective is going to spring forward and state the Mayor is innocent because they run the risk at having a real detective also step forward and once again we are back to place where we have confirmed a situation with at least 1 suspect as Mafia (because someone is lying) and a sure fire Mafia lynching.



What I'm saying is that the pm is sent to every real bodyguard. Say there are 3 bodyguards. 3 pms would be sent out:

Mafia 1
Mafia 2
Bodyguard 1

Mafia 1
Mafia 2
Bodyguard 2

Mafia 1
Mafia 2
Bodyguard 3

Each bodyguard would then get pms back from Mafia 1 and 2 and thus are "confirmed".

And about fake detectives springing forward and stating the mayor is innocent, the townies have no way of knowing who is telling the truth and who isn't. We can't know when a real detective steps forward because he could very well be fake.


WOW. This is a big flaw in the DT plan -_- And I dont see any way we can go around it if we have a mafia major. We need to seriously rethink what the mayor's backup plans are gonna be in his first 100 days in office!

I'm starting to have suspicions with Ace, because despite his sound arguments right up to this post, he's persistent in that this flaw isn't even there (if Im correct from what I've read of his posts) :O

And to the person that suggested the idea that we a detective should come up, WHO would the brave soul be? And we have no way of verifying it's true! (Unless more detectives come up..but that would be plain stupid).

Though it seems its the most solid plan we have now, having to lose even one DT for this plan...The worst case scenario is that the mafias have taught out a real good plan to mess this up and we're not seeing it...Bah I dont even know if Im making much sense now...better reread some posts again.
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Falcynn
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3597 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-19 16:16:49
March 19 2008 16:16 GMT
#1033
On March 20 2008 01:13 Ziel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2008 09:09 Kau wrote:
On March 19 2008 09:02 Ace wrote:
On March 19 2008 08:57 Kau wrote:
Ace:

About your Bodyguard plan, what stops a mafia mayor from pming each actual bodyguard with a list that is something like:

mafia 1
mafia 2
mafia 3
bodyguard #

Each actual bodyguard would get a pm back from each of the fake mafia-bodyguards and they wouldn't know.

Then once the mayor gets checked by a detective, couldn't there be fake mafia-detectives that state that the mayor is innocent?


They can't because all the other Bodyguards that didn't get a PM would know something is wrong. In the event that they do that, it just helps the town because we can just apply all clues and DT/Jack power to that list of suspects and catch the Mafia asap.

No fake detective is going to spring forward and state the Mayor is innocent because they run the risk at having a real detective also step forward and once again we are back to place where we have confirmed a situation with at least 1 suspect as Mafia (because someone is lying) and a sure fire Mafia lynching.



What I'm saying is that the pm is sent to every real bodyguard. Say there are 3 bodyguards. 3 pms would be sent out:

Mafia 1
Mafia 2
Bodyguard 1

Mafia 1
Mafia 2
Bodyguard 2

Mafia 1
Mafia 2
Bodyguard 3

Each bodyguard would then get pms back from Mafia 1 and 2 and thus are "confirmed".

And about fake detectives springing forward and stating the mayor is innocent, the townies have no way of knowing who is telling the truth and who isn't. We can't know when a real detective steps forward because he could very well be fake.


WOW. This is a big flaw in the DT plan -_- And I dont see any way we can go around it if we have a mafia major. We need to seriously rethink what the mayor's backup plans are gonna be in his first 100 days in office!

I'm starting to have suspicions with Ace, because despite his sound arguments right up to this post, he's persistent in that this flaw isn't even there (if Im correct from what I've read of his posts) :O

And to the person that suggested the idea that we a detective should come up, WHO would the brave soul be? And we have no way of verifying it's true! (Unless more detectives come up..but that would be plain stupid).

Though it seems its the most solid plan we have now, having to lose even one DT for this plan...The worst case scenario is that the mafias have taught out a real good plan to mess this up and we're not seeing it...Bah I dont even know if Im making much sense now...better reread some posts again.

We've gone over this a bunch of times already. A detective will check out the mayor, if he's mafia then the detective will post his findings. After that we lynch the detective, if he turns blue then we lynch the mayor (we lynch the detective to deter mafiosos from spreading false rumors and declaring themselves detective).


Edit: and dinmsab, you have to post your votes in Chuiu's blog, not here.
Pangolin
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1035 Posts
March 19 2008 16:16 GMT
#1034
On March 20 2008 01:13 Ziel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2008 09:09 Kau wrote:
On March 19 2008 09:02 Ace wrote:
On March 19 2008 08:57 Kau wrote:
Ace:

About your Bodyguard plan, what stops a mafia mayor from pming each actual bodyguard with a list that is something like:

mafia 1
mafia 2
mafia 3
bodyguard #

Each actual bodyguard would get a pm back from each of the fake mafia-bodyguards and they wouldn't know.

Then once the mayor gets checked by a detective, couldn't there be fake mafia-detectives that state that the mayor is innocent?


They can't because all the other Bodyguards that didn't get a PM would know something is wrong. In the event that they do that, it just helps the town because we can just apply all clues and DT/Jack power to that list of suspects and catch the Mafia asap.

No fake detective is going to spring forward and state the Mayor is innocent because they run the risk at having a real detective also step forward and once again we are back to place where we have confirmed a situation with at least 1 suspect as Mafia (because someone is lying) and a sure fire Mafia lynching.



What I'm saying is that the pm is sent to every real bodyguard. Say there are 3 bodyguards. 3 pms would be sent out:

Mafia 1
Mafia 2
Bodyguard 1

Mafia 1
Mafia 2
Bodyguard 2

Mafia 1
Mafia 2
Bodyguard 3

Each bodyguard would then get pms back from Mafia 1 and 2 and thus are "confirmed".

And about fake detectives springing forward and stating the mayor is innocent, the townies have no way of knowing who is telling the truth and who isn't. We can't know when a real detective steps forward because he could very well be fake.


WOW. This is a big flaw in the DT plan -_- And I dont see any way we can go around it if we have a mafia major. We need to seriously rethink what the mayor's backup plans are gonna be in his first 100 days in office!

I'm starting to have suspicions with Ace, because despite his sound arguments right up to this post, he's persistent in that this flaw isn't even there (if Im correct from what I've read of his posts) :O

And to the person that suggested the idea that we a detective should come up, WHO would the brave soul be? And we have no way of verifying it's true! (Unless more detectives come up..but that would be plain stupid).

Though it seems its the most solid plan we have now, having to lose even one DT for this plan...The worst case scenario is that the mafias have taught out a real good plan to mess this up and we're not seeing it...Bah I dont even know if Im making much sense now...better reread some posts again.


Yes I think you need to reread some posts because not only did Ace show that it wasn't a hole, Kau (the one who posted the "flaw") admitted it wasn't actually a flaw. The reason being that detectives are going to check if the mayor is mafia anyways.
It's easier not to.
Ziel
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Malaysia241 Posts
March 19 2008 16:20 GMT
#1035
Lol oh k thx guys. Musta missed those posts >_<
TheLittleOne Fan Club! Best game to date -> TLI RO4 TLO v Naz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91XjX59O-VQ
GeneralStan
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States4789 Posts
March 19 2008 16:31 GMT
#1036
Randombum is ahead! Good work guys!
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 19 2008 16:32 GMT
#1037
On March 19 2008 22:21 Klive5ive wrote:
We need to call Empyrean out.

I'll start by saying I think it is very likely he is a detective. Everyone should be assumed innocent until CLUES or obvious circumstances cast serious doubt over them.
The mistake made last time was to assume the people who posted frequently were Mafia, purely because they said things that were silly/didn't make sense.
Just because people are stupid or play the game badly doesn't mean they are Mafia.

In light of this the best way to go about it in my opinion is to NOT ALLOW HIM TO USE HIS PARDONING POWERS.
By that I mean we simply state that he is not allowed to pardon anyone. IF he does, then he will be assumed Mafia and we simply lynch him next round.
If enough people agree that this is a good idea we can get the benefits of a possible pardoner-detective without the disadvantages of a mafia-pardoner saving mafia.


This makes no sense, and I'll explain why.

1.) Saying that Empyrean is likely detective is pointless - no one's roles can be proved

2.) No one should be assumed innocent, or guilty - the only assumption anyone knows at all right now is that they can trust no one if they are a Townie

3.) I agree, just because people play badly or dumb doesn't make them Mafia - but it surely doesn't make them worthy for candidacy of Mayor or Pardoner

4.) No one is accusing anyone of being Mafia right now

5.) Not allow him to use his Pardoning powers? If he gets the role, we cant exactly force him not toby threat of lynching. Anyone who has played this game enough knows that a threat like that can be smashed into pieces if a much bigger disaster hits the Town because people "forget".
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 19 2008 16:41 GMT
#1038
Also, it really doesn't matter if The Double Lynch can be role blocked. I've already stated how I plan to use them and if the Mafia roleblocks during those times well that sucks for them.

Another thing, I'm sure the Mafia has read up on the Bodyguard plan and have seen something in it that makes it a little difficult to "break". I'm still asking that if anyone can find any scenarios that would mess the plan up to please post them.After the game I'll explain in depth the real reasoning behind the plan (can't do that now).
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
March 19 2008 16:42 GMT
#1039
guys vote for Empyrean! we need him with bodyguard protection so it'd be safer for him to point out the findings!
Teamliquidian townie
Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
March 19 2008 16:43 GMT
#1040
anyway, if we get the mayor to be townie, detectives can still pm him their findings. Oh well.
Teamliquidian townie
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