TL Mafia 2 [GG] - Page 51

Ah, good find; I probably just remembered that I would be unable to play for a long period of time - I had to leave for school, so I was away for about seven hours. In either case, my argument is the same. I just have a bad memory.

On March 19 2008 08:55 Hot_Bid wrote:


Unfortunately these two people playing are the same guy, the IP check confirms. Pretty BM if you ask me to register two accounts to play when it's so important for the game that you don't know who the other side are.

You guys should vote on whether we should ban him

Edit: Sucks that some people have to cheat even in friendly forum games.

On March 19 2008 11:58 Ace wrote:
Needless to say I'm very,very uncomfortable with Empyrean even being Pardoner nevertheless Mayor.

Seriously people that are voting for Empyrean what exactly are you basing this vote off of?

The fact that he played well last round even though he was Mafia?
The wrong thinking that since he was Mafia last round that he surely can't be Mafia this round?

Those 2 points are clearly not going to help choose a Good Mayor. But that isn't my problem with his candidacy - this is:

He role claimed Detective.

This one action brings out a major problem. At this point we can't verify that Empyrean is legit as a DT. We pretty much have to go on blind trust, and I'm begging those of you who have played this game before to recall what happens when we act on blind faith. Nothing good will come out of it. Why would someone claim a key role like that early, saying that they fear they would be killed at night? If he really was acting in the best interest of the town, he would realize that as a key target the Medics would protect him and how that simple action puts a spin on the Mafia killing power. But he went the selfish route.

Even more so, Empyrean never had a plan until myself and Ghar put plans up. He never even read the original plans and even got qsr's plan analyzed WRONG. How can this guy be a good candidate even though he didn't read many of the posts that are the main focus of discussion right now?

But besides all of that, the final nail in the coffin is the fact that everyone says Empyrean is a good player.

As any good mafia player will tell you, role claiming is a great strategy - only when done at the right time.

The very beginning of the game when nothing can be proved, Empyrean an acclaimed good player role claims. He even admits that it can't be proved but we should just trust him.

Think this out guys. A GOOD player that has not acted on logic, has not posted a plan till later in voting, and is running on a platform of "trust me based on my actions last game" which have no bearing on his status this game. HOW is this going to help us survive?
He has not done anything so far that shows me or many others he is capable of acting in the best interest of the town and has even admitted it. Empyrean is smart - and he certainly isn't running on a platform that shows that. It's a trust platform, and right now the best thing we can do is vote based on plans of action and leadership NOT trust - because that can't be proven until later.

Stop voting for him. I may have a slight lead right now, but by tomorrow who knows how the voting will stack up. I may even never get the Mayor position. I'm not comfortable with a guy who's acting selfishly and irrationally on Day 1 in any position of power. Even if he is Pardoner I'd be worried.

Once I again I'm begging you guys to reconsider.

On March 19 2008 22:21 Klive5ive wrote:
We need to call Empyrean out.

I'll start by saying I think it is very likely he is a detective. Everyone should be assumed innocent until CLUES or obvious circumstances cast serious doubt over them.
The mistake made last time was to assume the people who posted frequently were Mafia, purely because they said things that were silly/didn't make sense.
Just because people are stupid or play the game badly doesn't mean they are Mafia.

In light of this the best way to go about it in my opinion is to NOT ALLOW HIM TO USE HIS PARDONING POWERS.
By that I mean we simply state that he is not allowed to pardon anyone. IF he does, then he will be assumed Mafia and we simply lynch him next round.
If enough people agree that this is a good idea we can get the benefits of a possible pardoner-detective without the disadvantages of a mafia-pardoner saving mafia.

On March 19 2008 22:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

The problem with this is that our pardoner powers are now negated, and that the role-blocking mafia will be laughing as Empyrian can't do anything.

On March 19 2008 22:28 Klive5ive wrote:


The pardoner is not a very useful role for the townies.

We can't stop the role-blockers from stopping his detective powers anyway, so that point is irrelevant. That is exactly why declaring himself as a detective was such a bad idea.

Also presumably a pardoner-detective would have both power blocked by role-blockers. So if he isn't mafia he probably won't be able to pardon anyway.

On March 19 2008 22:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:


Roleblock powers don't stop pardoning, afaik. Only abilities that are PMed to Chuiu can be stopped. And if Empyrian doesn't become pardoner, he'll still likely be protected by a lot of medics. This means one of these two things:
A) The mafia wastes a lot of killing power to take out one detective.
B) The mafia doesn't bother trying to take out empyrian and simply roleblocks him every turn until they think they can take him out.

Now, since the roleblocker doesn't have a target yet, he might as well roleblock empyrian and save the mafia's killing power so they can hit other targets. This is obviously assuming Empyrian is a real detective. If he isn't, we've protected a mafia member where a helpful townie could've been that might now get killed.

On March 19 2008 23:04 Klive5ive wrote:


You could bother to read the original post?
Chuiu:
"Meaning he tells me this before day starts and I disable that player from using their special role the following day and night."
As Pardoner is a role, and his power isn't voting. By applying Chuiu's definition strictly role-blocker should block pardoner.

You didn't appear to make a point in your post.

Does anyone else agree that we should tell Empyrean if he makes pardoner that he is not to pardon anyone, and enforce our decision through the threat of lynching?
It seems to me that that move is beneficial.

On March 20 2008 00:19 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Mafia can stop double lynches?!?!?! Lord plz Save Us!!