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Wysp

Canada2299 Posts

March 19 2008 16:49 GMT

#1041

On March 20 2008 01:42 RtS)Night[Mare wrote:
guys vote for Empyrean! we need him with bodyguard protection so it'd be safer for him to point out the findings!

vote for him because he gave has the unfounded statement 'I'm a detective.' Its fairly easy to understand this is not a reason to vote for him.

Amber[LighT]

United States5078 Posts

March 19 2008 16:59 GMT

#1042

On March 20 2008 01:16 Falcynn wrote:

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On March 20 2008 01:13 Ziel wrote:

On March 19 2008 09:09 Kau wrote:

On March 19 2008 09:02 Ace wrote:

On March 19 2008 08:57 Kau wrote:
Ace:

About your Bodyguard plan, what stops a mafia mayor from pming each actual bodyguard with a list that is something like:

mafia 1
mafia 2
mafia 3
bodyguard #

Each actual bodyguard would get a pm back from each of the fake mafia-bodyguards and they wouldn't know.

Then once the mayor gets checked by a detective, couldn't there be fake mafia-detectives that state that the mayor is innocent?

They can't because all the other Bodyguards that didn't get a PM would know something is wrong. In the event that they do that, it just helps the town because we can just apply all clues and DT/Jack power to that list of suspects and catch the Mafia asap.

No fake detective is going to spring forward and state the Mayor is innocent because they run the risk at having a real detective also step forward and once again we are back to place where we have confirmed a situation with at least 1 suspect as Mafia (because someone is lying) and a sure fire Mafia lynching.

What I'm saying is that the pm is sent to every real bodyguard. Say there are 3 bodyguards. 3 pms would be sent out:

Mafia 1
Mafia 2
Bodyguard 1

Mafia 1
Mafia 2
Bodyguard 2

Mafia 1
Mafia 2
Bodyguard 3

Each bodyguard would then get pms back from Mafia 1 and 2 and thus are "confirmed".

And about fake detectives springing forward and stating the mayor is innocent, the townies have no way of knowing who is telling the truth and who isn't. We can't know when a real detective steps forward because he could very well be fake.

WOW. This is a big flaw in the DT plan -_- And I dont see any way we can go around it if we have a mafia major. We need to seriously rethink what the mayor's backup plans are gonna be in his first 100 days in office!

I'm starting to have suspicions with Ace, because despite his sound arguments right up to this post, he's persistent in that this flaw isn't even there (if Im correct from what I've read of his posts) :O

And to the person that suggested the idea that we a detective should come up, WHO would the brave soul be? And we have no way of verifying it's true! (Unless more detectives come up..but that would be plain stupid).

Though it seems its the most solid plan we have now, having to lose even one DT for this plan...The worst case scenario is that the mafias have taught out a real good plan to mess this up and we're not seeing it...Bah I dont even know if Im making much sense now...better reread some posts again.

We've gone over this a bunch of times already. A detective will check out the mayor, if he's mafia then the detective will post his findings. After that we lynch the detective, if he turns blue then we lynch the mayor (we lynch the detective to deter mafiosos from spreading false rumors and declaring themselves detective).

Edit: and dinmsab, you have to post your votes in Chuiu's blog, not here.

Do you guys know how fucked we will be if we elect a mafia member to the mayoral position? Not saying this is a bad plan, but I'd rather not know that information, or if this is found out early keep him on until later because the bodyguards will be of no use to him unless mafia fake kills him. We need double lynches and the mayor will be more inclined to cooperate early on. So I hope we don't find out our mayor is mafia early and just cut his head.

Falcynn

United States3597 Posts

March 19 2008 17:07 GMT

#1043

I'm just saying that if we find out the mayor is mafia, we'll know not to listen to anything he says. We can choose to lynch him, or we can choose not to. However if we do find out the mayor is mafia then we'll probably have to lynch him since it's doubtful he'd be willing to declare double lynches since he'll no longer be forced to work in the town's best interests.

However we're pretty much forced to check if the mayor is mafia, because if we don't then he can seriously fuck up the townies through persuasion. So if we get a mafia mayor we're pretty much fucked and everything we do beyond that point is just damage control.

GeneralStan

United States4789 Posts

March 19 2008 17:10 GMT

#1044

On March 20 2008 01:49 Wysp wrote:

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vote for him because he gave has the unfounded statement 'I'm a detective.' Its fairly easy to understand this is not a reason to vote for him.

Concise argument against voting for Empyrean.

Since I don't trust his word at all, we're left with a 20/130 chance that Empyrean is mafia and a 4/130 chance that he's a detective.

Try it on.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

March 19 2008 17:14 GMT

#1045

Guys seriously, stop worrying about the Double Lynches. That can do more harm than good if not used at the right time

Naib

Hungary4843 Posts

March 19 2008 17:18 GMT

#1046

On March 20 2008 02:14 Ace wrote:
Guys seriously, stop worrying about the Double Lynches. That can do more harm than good if not used at the right time

They, however, can potentially do good - so we shouldn't just waste them by electing a mafia major, or am I missing something here?

GeneralStan

United States4789 Posts

March 19 2008 17:18 GMT

#1047

On March 20 2008 02:14 Ace wrote:
Guys seriously, stop worrying about the Double Lynches. That can do more harm than good if not used at the right time

We learned that last game, didn't we?

Ace

United States16096 Posts

March 19 2008 17:20 GMT

#1048

I'm just saying don't be so gung ho about them, when you the time is right you'll know.

Night[Mare

Mexico4793 Posts

March 19 2008 17:21 GMT

#1049

when is the night of the first day?

Wysp

Canada2299 Posts

March 19 2008 17:23 GMT

#1050

On March 20 2008 02:10 GeneralStan wrote:

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Concise argument against voting for Empyrean.

Since I don't trust his word at all, we're left with a 20/130 chance that Empyrean is mafia and a 4/130 chance that he's a detective.

Try it on.

I also do not see it as an argument against him, for anyone could be posing as anything: motive is impossible to determine. I would say vote for Empyrean if he is doing the most harm to the mafia now.

But, if a pattern is seen in those who support his logic and him later in the game, this would be very indicative.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

March 19 2008 17:35 GMT

#1051

I think the current vote count is like this (based on Falcynn's last post)

Ace-30
randombum-23
Empyrean-17

ahrara_

Afghanistan1715 Posts

March 19 2008 17:45 GMT

#1052

Just so I don't look like a total moron in case Empyrean turns out to be innocent ...

I am not saying Empyrean is Mafia. I don't even have strong suspicions at the moment. I would NOT vote to lynch him, and strongly suggest that paramedics protect him the first night, until we verify his role, and until he uses both his role checks himself. I am arguing from a logical point of view that there is no reason to trust that he is detective. There is no reason to believe he's not a detective either. I'm just saying that given that we can't trust anybody, it's equally likely randombum is a detective. Role claiming at this point is useless, and more likely to be a ploy. If Emp turns out ot be innocent, well fuck me. I'll end up looking like a moron, and Ace too. In my opinion though, it's better to be safe than sorry.

HotZhot

Colombia677 Posts

March 19 2008 17:45 GMT

#1053

Still many people inactive, I hope the important roles are all playing actively

ahrara_

Afghanistan1715 Posts

March 19 2008 17:51 GMT

#1054

On March 19 2008 19:06 CDRdude wrote:

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If you know so much about American politics, why does your profile list you as from Afghanistan? I'm not really sure about Ralph Nader's international prestige, but I really doubt it extends to Afghanistan. And it might not extend to Australia either, which is what Ghar's profile lists.

Dude. Afghanistan was the first country on the list. I am obviously from the states. For game purposes, I'm not going to change it now.

Fishball

Canada4788 Posts

March 19 2008 17:53 GMT

#1055

I just want to get this over with and head to Night.
The votes are pretty much set.

Falcynn

United States3597 Posts

March 19 2008 18:07 GMT

#1056

On March 20 2008 02:45 HotZhot wrote:
Still many people inactive, I hope the important roles are all playing actively

Well judging from the votes, about 95 people have cast in their votes which equates to roughly 75%. So even if they're not posting, at least 75% of the people playing are at least reading the thread. It's not great, but it's much better than last game at least.

Night[Mare

Mexico4793 Posts

March 19 2008 18:07 GMT

#1057

On March 20 2008 02:45 ahrara_ wrote:
Just so I don't look like a total moron in case Empyrean turns out to be innocent ...

I am not saying Empyrean is Mafia. I don't even have strong suspicions at the moment. I would NOT vote to lynch him, and strongly suggest that paramedics protect him the first night, until we verify his role, and until he uses both his role checks himself. I am arguing from a logical point of view that there is no reason to trust that he is detective. There is no reason to believe he's not a detective either. I'm just saying that given that we can't trust anybody, it's equally likely randombum is a detective. Role claiming at this point is useless, and more likely to be a ploy. If Emp turns out ot be innocent, well fuck me. I'll end up looking like a moron, and Ace too. In my opinion though, it's better to be safe than sorry.

suicide bomber ftw

Falcynn

United States3597 Posts

March 19 2008 18:09 GMT

#1058

On March 20 2008 03:07 RtS)Night[Mare wrote:

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suicide bomber ftw

I'm sure mafia would want to save their suicide bomber for later in the game. As it stands I think his extra half-kill is more important for the early rounds.

EDIT: OMG CORSAIR! YIPEE!

ahrara_

Afghanistan1715 Posts

March 19 2008 18:15 GMT

#1059

Falcynn: Not if they can take out 4-5 medics along with the guy.

Ya, I forgot about the suicide bomber. So Empyrean's screwed. That's his fault.