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First, here is the PM I sent to people to try and get them to vote for me. It's basically redirecting them to read my posts. But just in case anyone complains :/
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Also: If I'm mayor, keep in mind that town can always vote to lynch mayor. I will always declare double lynch when the town wants it. If, after all my double lynches are done and my role is therefore pretty much useless, if you still have doubts of my detective role, you can lynch me.
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Mynock, part of this stems from irritation over last game, but I think you're making yourself look pretty suspicious by badgering a legitimate mayor candidate.
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On March 19 2008 07:11 xDark.Carnivalx wrote:
i think it may be best if empyrean is made pardoner rather than mayor. that way if he IS mafia, then we don't lose the mayor role, though the pardoner is important i'd rather lose that role than the mayor.
The problem is: the pardoner role is not so useful to the town, but it is rather useful to the Mafia.
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On March 19 2008 07:13 Mynock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2008 07:11 Empyrean wrote:On March 19 2008 07:08 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On March 19 2008 07:07 Empyrean wrote:On March 19 2008 07:05 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On March 19 2008 07:04 Empyrean wrote:On March 19 2008 07:01 Mynock wrote:
Empyrian, none of the points you made make any sense. Every further post you make just makes you look more and more suspicious.
I don't see what kind of tactic it is to always enable double lynches and why it is in town's best interest. I don't see how "bodyguard protection is wasted" once mafia will put multiple targets up. In fact, I don't even get it what you want to say :/ Equally like "A detective mayor/pardoner is the best bet for the town. Even more so than a DT mayor."
So a detective mayor is better than a detective mayor? What? 1. DT is the dark templar role, which can kill anyone. 2. Enabling double lynches allows for more mafia deaths - lynches are the only way we can kill mafia. 3. I meant to say paramedic. If I'm not mayor/pardoner and a paramedic protects me, the mafia are smart enough to post two hits on me to ensure my death. Dark Templar role? Is that in the OP? Suicide Bomber. Oooh alright. I don't see how a SB mayor could be considered good for town in any case, besides the fact that their role is basically nullified. It ensures that the mayor is safe from Suicide Bombers if all the bodyguards die - the paramedics will still probably protect the mayor. The suicide bombers can't kill a mayor, it wouldn't make any sense whatsoever if they could. So either you haven't read the rules at all (don't know the roles, don't know the abilities), or you're doing all this deliberately, or you said something you now want to be unsaid. Any case, I think it's now in your best interest to step down from the election and let us decide later  Because either you're not serious enough about the task of a mayor or a mafia. Not a good choice any way. Plus you've now made yourself sound suspicious.
1. I mean after the bodyguards are dead, even if paramedics protect the mayor/pardoner, the suicide bomber can still kill them.
2. I'm acting in the best interest of the town. My (in effect) ultimatum was to force the town to act in the best interest of itself. You can always lynch me if you have doubts.
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fusion, fusionfusionfusionfusion.
You'll have to try harder than that, son.
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On March 19 2008 07:14 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Mynock, part of this stems from irritation over last game, but I think you're making yourself look pretty suspicious by badgering a legitimate mayor candidate.
That's your personal view of course, so be it.
But if a mayor says that it's the best thing for the town if a mayor is a Suicide Bomber (a MAFIA role) then... Well, I rest my case.
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On March 19 2008 07:15 qrs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2008 07:11 xDark.Carnivalx wrote:
i think it may be best if empyrean is made pardoner rather than mayor. that way if he IS mafia, then we don't lose the mayor role, though the pardoner is important i'd rather lose that role than the mayor. The problem is: the pardoner role is not so useful to the town, but it is rather useful to the Mafia.
False. If the pardoner pardons someone out of the blue, it'll invite serious suspicion. If I'm mayor, it'll guarantee that the people he pardons are legitimate townies (although I won't really want to waste a detection on confirming that).
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On March 19 2008 07:17 Mynock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2008 07:14 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Mynock, part of this stems from irritation over last game, but I think you're making yourself look pretty suspicious by badgering a legitimate mayor candidate. That's your personal view of course, so be it. But if a mayor says that it's the best thing for the town if a mayor is a Suicide Bomber (a MAFIA role) then... Well, I rest my case.
You're right.
I just reread the first post; a suicide bomber wouldn't be a good choice at all for a mayor O_o.
I thought suicide bomber was in a "third party" without allegiances. Kind of like in Tracil's game.
Haha. That's probably what I get for reading 30+ pages at a time.
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On March 19 2008 07:01 xDark.Carnivalx wrote:
we don't want a mafia mayor, because if you do anything that points to being mafia we'll have to lynch you, and lose the benefits of having a mayor. it was not the best idea to say you're detective, as people mentioned, your word alone isn't sufficient enough for us to believe you, and in revealing your role makes you seem a bit selfish in terms of wanting to be assured protection, which isn't a good quality for the mayor.
As a potential mayor, it's my job to have the town's best interest in mind.
The town's best interest would be to vote me. However, I wouldn't get nearly the amount of votes I would get if I hadn't revealed my role. I know that may sound harsh and counter-intuitive, but just trust me here.
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On March 19 2008 07:17 Empyrean wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2008 07:15 qrs wrote:On March 19 2008 07:11 xDark.Carnivalx wrote:
i think it may be best if empyrean is made pardoner rather than mayor. that way if he IS mafia, then we don't lose the mayor role, though the pardoner is important i'd rather lose that role than the mayor. The problem is: the pardoner role is not so useful to the town, but it is rather useful to the Mafia. False. If the pardoner pardons someone out of the blue, it'll invite serious suspicion. If I'm mayor, it'll guarantee that the people he pardons are legitimate townies (although I won't really want to waste a detection on confirming that).
What are you saying? That the pardoner can never use his role? And what do you mean "If I'm mayor". I was saying why it would not be good for the town if you were pardoner and Mafia. Read the post I was responding to.
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And Emp, obviously we wouldn't want to lynch you if you're a detective, but as someone already said, pushing your will like that isn't a cool characteristic for a mayor.
Besides, you just basically put it like "oh and btw I'm a detective, kinda an advantage, right?".
So now it's the best interest of the town to have you:
1) Protected (medics please?)
2) Investigated (detectives please?)
Basically now the town has to act and correct the situation because of your own decision. If you're right a DT mayor would of course be swell for town - but if you're not, we have to deal with the situation.
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On March 19 2008 07:16 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
fusion, fusionfusionfusionfusion.
You'll have to try harder than that, son.
You should explain
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No, the pardoner should use the role when he has enough conviction to believe that the town is falsely lynching.
If there were a mafia pardoner who decides to pardon a mafia member without a "good" reason, the town will suspect him anyway, leading to the revelation of another mafia.
Besides, I can always confirm someone's role.
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On March 19 2008 07:21 Empyrean wrote:
No, the pardoner should use the role when he has enough conviction to believe that the town is falsely lynching.
If there were a mafia pardoner who decides to pardon a mafia member without a "good" reason, the town will suspect him anyway, leading to the revelation of another mafia. How would the town know that the person he pardoned was Mafia?
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Also: (only not editing because this thread has lots of viewers, so they don't miss this)
Keep in mind, though, that I can only do it twice a game. My powers are basically limited to determining whether or not a specific clue points to a specific person.
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On March 19 2008 07:21 fusionsdf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2008 07:16 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
fusion, fusionfusionfusionfusion.
You'll have to try harder than that, son. You should explain
On March 19 2008 06:46 fusionsdf wrote:
s h a l l o w is a m a f i a
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On March 19 2008 07:22 qrs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2008 07:21 Empyrean wrote:
No, the pardoner should use the role when he has enough conviction to believe that the town is falsely lynching.
If there were a mafia pardoner who decides to pardon a mafia member without a "good" reason, the town will suspect him anyway, leading to the revelation of another mafia. How would the town know that the person he pardoned was Mafia?
If the pardoner randomly pardons ANYONE, it would invite suspicion. Then more analysis can be made through the clues.
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On March 19 2008 07:23 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2008 07:21 fusionsdf wrote:On March 19 2008 07:16 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
fusion, fusionfusionfusionfusion.
You'll have to try harder than that, son. You should explain Damn it guys, please don't pull another Dr.Dragoon on the town.
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Do bodyguards know they are bodyguards? If no, the bodyguard plan does not work with a mafia major. One other thing to consider is, the terrorist might kill the bodyguards who outs to get the messages from the other roles.
Emyprean: your move might have been smart in a game with few mafia players. But not with this many mafia players which makes one mafia player very expentable compared to the gain of a major. I considered the move myself, but came to the conclusion it is unwise.
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