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4492 Posts
On March 19 2008 07:21 Empyrean wrote:
No, the pardoner should use the role when he has enough conviction to believe that the town is falsely lynching.
If there were a mafia pardoner who decides to pardon a mafia member without a "good" reason, the town will suspect him anyway, leading to the revelation of another mafia.
Besides, I can always confirm someone's role.
We're obviously all aware that a detective as mayor would be AWESOME, the problem is just your "coming out" like this, so it forces the town to move radically. (Of course right now the medics really don't have any better targets, just as the detectives, so in the first day I guess it's not a big problem... But still, the Bodyguard Plan sounds good and solid - without too much guessing, too.)
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Alright guys, just got home, got my role, and reading the 30 pages...-0- gonna be long
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On March 19 2008 07:25 MasterOfChaos wrote:
Do bodyguards know they are bodyguards? If no, the bodyguard plan does not work with a mafia major. One other thing to consider is, the terrorist might kill the bodyguards who outs to get the messages from the other roles.
Emyprean: your move might have been smart in a game with few mafia players. But not with this many mafia players which makes one mafia player very expentable compared to the gain of a major. I considered the move myself, but came to the conclusion it is unwise.
1. Yeah they do.
2. You just admitted you have a role?
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Well,then lynch me if you want. I'm only a townie and i'm not serving another purpose. My list of townies is correct as far as i can see.
CDRdude
Falcynn
More_Minerals
Aznvaliance
BumAtLarge (subject to change)
SonuvBob
LTT
Plexa
Pangolin
Ahara
xDark.Carnivalx
Chuiu (GASP)
If by the end, we find out that none of these are mafia, I won't say i told you so. Because I'm saying it now.
BTW, Bodyguard plan seems neato!
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On March 19 2008 07:26 clazziquai wrote:
Alright guys, just got home, got my role, and reading the 30 pages...-0- gonna be long Just read my blog! It's not very complete right now, but it should catch you up on the basics.
/more shameless self promotion.
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On March 19 2008 07:26 bumatlarge wrote:
Well,then lynch me if you want. I'm only a townie and i'm not serving another purpose. My list of townies is correct as far as i can see.
CDRdude
Falcynn
More_Minerals
Aznvaliance
BumAtLarge (subject to change)
SonuvBob
LTT
Plexa
Pangolin
Ahara
xDark.Carnivalx
Chuiu (GASP)
If by the end, we find out that none of these are mafia, I won't say i told you so. Because I'm saying it now.
BTW, Bodyguard plan seems neato!
I'm innocent as well
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On March 19 2008 07:28 fusionsdf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2008 07:26 bumatlarge wrote:
Well,then lynch me if you want. I'm only a townie and i'm not serving another purpose. My list of townies is correct as far as i can see.
CDRdude
Falcynn
More_Minerals
Aznvaliance
BumAtLarge (subject to change)
SonuvBob
LTT
Plexa
Pangolin
Ahara
xDark.Carnivalx
Chuiu (GASP)
If by the end, we find out that none of these are mafia, I won't say i told you so. Because I'm saying it now.
BTW, Bodyguard plan seems neato! I'm innocent as well
Prove it
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Oh thanks Falcynn! Haha should be useful.
This time, I am a mere townie :/
But I really want to win this time, (last game was so bad for me, I was an Elder and I didn't really do shit...I want revenge x))
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Germany2896 Posts
One thing about detective is, that they should mostly ask about who voted for a specific person. A question about a clue has a shannon-entropy of atmost one bit, whereas the question about how many people voted for a specific person usually leads to a significantly higher entropy.
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Can't anyone respond to this post of mine? I don't especially want to be mayor, but I do think that this is the plan the mayor should follow. No one seems to be advocating it or even talking about it. Doesn't anyone agree that coordination from the beginning is the best thing for us?
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Germany2896 Posts
On March 19 2008 07:26 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2008 07:25 MasterOfChaos wrote:
Do bodyguards know they are bodyguards? If no, the bodyguard plan does not work with a mafia major. One other thing to consider is, the terrorist might kill the bodyguards who outs to get the messages from the other roles.
Emyprean: your move might have been smart in a game with few mafia players. But not with this many mafia players which makes one mafia player very expentable compared to the gain of a major. I considered the move myself, but came to the conclusion it is unwise. 1. Yeah they do. 2. You just admitted you have a role?
I'm not stupid, I considered it before the game. But as mafiamembers are very expendable in this game(I'm used to games with <20 players total, not 20 mafia) it is no good move for a detective.
I also have some half finished code utilizing shannon entropy to calculate the best target for the detectives, but as we have many detectives and they probably will be able to communicate that is probably not usefull anymore.
@qrs: I think one detective detective is not enough if there more detectives report than there are really ingame. Also make sure the "few hours" are long enough. Not everybody is always active. I think 20-30 hours should be ok.
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What up homies.
I'm a townie too, can't really prove it (am I allowed to post the PM Chuiu sent me?), but you'll have to trust me!
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On March 19 2008 07:36 RowdierBob wrote:
What up homies.
I'm a townie too, can't really prove it (am I allowed to post the PM Chuiu sent me?), but you'll have to trust me!
PM's can be doctored.
Trust me 
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Voting for Empyrean is the WORST option we have, from a cost-benefit point of view.
1. Empyrean does not appear to have read much of the analysis from last night, including Ace's Bodyguard plan. He doesn't appear to have a good grasp of what's going on. He is basically trying to coerce us into voting for him because he may or may not be a detective.
2. Everybody may or may not be a detective. Claiming you are one at this point is ZERO reason to believe you are a detective, and not mafia. There is no hard evidence pointing in either direction.
3. Cost/Benefit analysis:
I. Empyrean is a detective and we --
a. Vote him in. Great, he has protection. With Ace as the mayor (it looks like he's going to win), it means he'll be a pardoner and probably take a less minor role in leadership. I think after he colludes with Ace, he'll do a good job.
b. Vote for someone else very unlikely to be mafia, i.e. Ghar or randombum. You will need several medics to keep Emp alive, because doubtless the mafia are going to devote a lot of killing power to get him out of the game.
II. Empyrean is scum and we --
a. Vote him in. Ace will find out he is scum and we'll lynch him. We'll be down one pardoner, meaning one less person with bodyguard protection and no pardoning power.
b. Vote for someone else. Ace will coordinate the real detectives to find out that he's scum, and the town will lynch the piano playing, twice-mafia bastard. Dieeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
How good each scenario is, in order, with how good each scenario is on a scale of 1-10, 5 being neutral.
1. Don't vote for Emp, find out he's scum, kill him, and have a list of suspects based on who voted for him, among other things. (10)
2. Vote for emp, and we get a protected detective (6, because under Ace's plan, detectives are kept secret anyway).
3. Don't vote for emp We lose a detective, but we vote in a reliable pardoner, who is probably not mafia -- in my mind either Ghar or randombum. (4)
4. The WORST is Empyrean being scum and we vote him in. (1)
The best we can do by voting for emp is a 6. The worst is a 1. The best we can do by NOT voting for Emp is a 10, and the worst is a 4. Losing a detective is not a huge loss because we have a lot. A pardoner is important because it keeps the mob in check, and nullifies the bandwagon effect. There are things the mayor and pardoner can know that the town can't. This town would fare better losing a detective than a pardoner. For that reason, I strongly recommend you
Do NOT vote for Empyrean.
Lightning edit: I wrote "best" instead of "worst".
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On March 19 2008 07:25 MasterOfChaos wrote:
Do bodyguards know they are bodyguards? If no, the bodyguard plan does not work with a mafia major. One other thing to consider is, the terrorist might kill the bodyguards who outs to get the messages from the other roles.
They do know that they are bodyguards: it's a special role like any other. They get a special PM.
As for your second point, a) the medics can protect him (unless the Mafia decide to waste most of their kills on one person) and b) even if he dies, he will pass on the information first, so it won't be wasted.
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http://teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=So no fek
Enigma ran his hand through his hair and said "So we're going to gut this town clean and take it over, eh? No more of this bullshit protection, thats grand!"
I looked at every profile picture, and his hair is the only hair that stands out. Not to mention he looks he looks 'enigmatic.' Nothing concrete, of course.
Also, where can one learn what Dr.Dragoon did?
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Germany2896 Posts
I talked about the terrorist bombing him before he gets all the messages, so medics won't help. But a exchange of the terrorist for a bodyguard is probably ok for us.
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On March 19 2008 07:36 MasterOfChaos wrote:
@qrs: I think one detective detective is not enough if there more detectives report than there are really ingame. Also make sure the "few hours" are long enough. Not everybody is always active. I think 20-30 hours should be ok.
If more detectives report than really are in-game, then the liar has to be outed first. Have each "detective" investigate something and see who gives the wrong answer. Costs the town one night, but the mafioso dies as well.
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On March 19 2008 07:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Time to prove my innocence.
Such Epil Fail signifies nothing less than Mafia!
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