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I will confirm the innocence of all important roles. Then systemically get detectives to file a list of suspects, confirm that clues point to the suspects, then send the vigilantes and jacks on a spree. And ideally with medic support. The detectives are my sci vessels, the vigilantes are my rines, the medics are my medics.
Double lynches still require a majority vote which include the mafia. Vigilantes can kill without all that hassle, plus co-ordinating detectives, will let me announce their work without fear of mafia retaliation, and lead more intelligent lynchings.
He's not guaranteed to become mayor. You're right, it doesn't prove he's a towny--we can play the double-feint game forever--but it's still something. At the end of the day, the Mafia doesn't want the list up, and if they can get away with no one posting it, they would prefer that.
With your vote, he becomes one step closer to being mayor, for some small work like getting the profiles, if I was a mafia, I think something like that would worth being able to not only off the mayor, but use him to your advantage.
If the list is that important, someone will do it sooner or later. Mafia can't do anything to stop that, they might as well use it to their advantage, You could rationalize.
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The Bodyguard Plan
This is a strategy I've used in the past to win games, and it works very well if even a slight majority of the main players involved use it.
The base of this plan lends itself to the fact that no innocent Townie knows for sure who else is innocent or what roles they are. Also is the fact that the main disadvantage the Town has is lack of information, whereas our main advantage is numbers. Combining these two things is the Bodyguard Plan.
At the start of the game, the only non-Mafia/elected roles that any other player can possibly know for sure is a Bodyguard. The Mayor receives this info once elected into office. This plan is best with an innocent Mayor, but it also forces a Mafia Mayor to help the town in the event he/she is ever elected.
When the Mayor is elected, their first plan of action should be to PM all the Bodyguards each other's identities. This pus information into the hands of the Townies that is critical.
Assume there are 7 bodyguards. The Mayor PMs all of them the identity of the other 6. All of them then PM each other to
1: confirm they got a PM stating they are the bodyguard from the Mayor
2: make sure they ALL have the same list of Bodyguards
In the case of an Innocent Mayor doing this, we have 7 townies all on the same side off the jump and this will be a major help to the Town if they all know the roles of 6 other innocents asap.
In the case of a Mafia Mayor he could actually try and add a Mafia member to the list of Bodyguards or ignore a real Bodyguard - and this is where the true failsafe in the plan comes in.
Failsafe:
Remember, all Bodyguards SHOULD get that PM. If any of the Bodyguards don't get it then they should know something is clearly fishy and should investigate hastily.
The Mayor would be investigated from Day 1, so the Town will know for sure if he/she is innocent or not which will allow the Bodyguards to know they can or can't trust the Mayor. If the Mayor turns out dirty, the Bodyguards will clearly speak up asap. If the Mayor is legit, then that Bodyguard list is 100% legit and ensures we have a solid base to start from.
In summary the idea of this plan is self checking:
1.) The Bodyguards know they have to get a PM
2.) The Mayor knows they have to PM the Bodyguards the Bodyguard list
3.) The Bodyguards PM each other to check their lists
4.) The Mayor also knows that they will be investigated asap by a DT
If the Mayor tends to be Mafia and releases a corrupted list, then the BGs will speak up and name the people on the list. The DTs paying attention to this, investigate the names.
In the case of an innocent Mayor this 100% guarantees us safety, in the case of a Mafia Mayor it takes us at worst 2 days to clean up the mess. This is my plan of action to start the game off.
In the event the list is released publicly, the best part of this plan is that the spotlight is taken off of the Detectives and put on the Bodyguards. This allows the Detectives to stay quiet, and for the Medics to have a list of people they need to watch. Remember what I stated earlier - the Town's main disadvantage is that we lack information and this plan serves to rectify that while maximizing our main advantage - numbers.
Once the base has been formed (Mayors + Bodyguards) we can start generating a list of suspects together, and figuring out roles down the road. To succeed the Town needs a strong start, and this plan is one of such.
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If you have any questions about the plan post it PUBLICLY so we can discuss it.
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On March 19 2008 00:28 L wrote: Veteran looking to absorb hits? Jack? Etc.
But why would they PM that info to the Mayor? That would cause confusion that the Town doesn't need.
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On March 19 2008 00:28 qrs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2008 18:50 Ace wrote:
ugh ok you people are really either acting slightly on drugs or something.
HOW does Araav knowing programming languages benefit us?
Seriously ask yourself that.
I know C/C++, Java, and Assembly but that really won't help me find Mafia members now will it? Well, keeping track of the profiles, etc. does benefit us, but more to the point, he bothered to do it. If he was Mafia, that would be a questionable move: who knows how long it would take for us to get the information together otherwise? Therefore I think that araav's using his programming skills to help the town is an indication that he is a towny.
Honestly look, if I was Mafia I'd also be going out of my way to do stuff to prove it benefits the Town. The point of the matter is you guys are basing your votes off something that has NOTHING to do with his skills at playing the game, it's just that he bothered to do it.
He hasn't even posted a plan of action, all he has done is code something and you guys are ready to vote for him. Sorry, I've played this game way too many times and while it doesn't paint araav as Innocent or Mafia, it surely makes me question his ability to lead the town when their are better candidates out there.
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On March 19 2008 00:34 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2008 00:15 Ace wrote:On March 19 2008 00:09 Amber[LighT] wrote:On March 18 2008 23:26 Ace wrote:
If more than 4 people PM Ghar about being DT thats GREAT for the Town. Because now we'd have a suspect list and people caught false role claiming meaning we certainly have some Mafia cornered.
. Uhhhh no? You can't say that people who are faking the Detective spot are necessarily mafia. They can be townies as well. Don't forget it's the Mafia vs. The Townies & The Townies vs. The Townies. Why would ANY Townie that isn't a moron claim the DT role? Anyone faking DT has to be Mafia, because any Townie doing that after reading all these posts explaining the plan would realize they are hurting the Town by doing so. also, this is not in any way Townies vs Townies. At all. More so it's the uninformed majority vs the informed minority, and one of the ways to get around that trend is to share info with those that we 100% know is innocent. lol did you play last game?
I read it, and thats the exact situation I'm trying to avoid this time around.
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On March 19 2008 00:50 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2008 00:34 Amber[LighT] wrote:On March 19 2008 00:15 Ace wrote:On March 19 2008 00:09 Amber[LighT] wrote:On March 18 2008 23:26 Ace wrote:
If more than 4 people PM Ghar about being DT thats GREAT for the Town. Because now we'd have a suspect list and people caught false role claiming meaning we certainly have some Mafia cornered.
. Uhhhh no? You can't say that people who are faking the Detective spot are necessarily mafia. They can be townies as well. Don't forget it's the Mafia vs. The Townies & The Townies vs. The Townies. Why would ANY Townie that isn't a moron claim the DT role? Anyone faking DT has to be Mafia, because any Townie doing that after reading all these posts explaining the plan would realize they are hurting the Town by doing so. also, this is not in any way Townies vs Townies. At all. More so it's the uninformed majority vs the informed minority, and one of the ways to get around that trend is to share info with those that we 100% know is innocent. lol did you play last game? I read it, and thats the exact situation I'm trying to avoid this time around.
1/130 remember that.
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cmon guys dont put Ghar in the mayor or pardonner's position, he's not 100% clean, theres already clues pointing towards him that i ll not tell again.
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Chances that Empyrean is Mafioso again are slim. I think we should get him to a safe position either pardoner or mayor, as DT being invincible from night hits would absolutely be good for town.
On the other hand, Ace has a pretty good plan for the game. We should vote him.
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ace seems to be quite experienced player and his start-up plan combined with his other posts so far make me believe he would be a good mayor.
im gonna vote for him now 
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Chances that Empyrean is Mafioso again are slim.
Chances that Empyrean is Mafioso again are 20/130.
Probability doesn't work the way you think it does.
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On March 19 2008 00:45 Ace wrote:
The Bodyguard Plan...
Now, that sounds like a good plan. Let me go you one better (unless this is what you meant): after the bodyguards are confirmed, let the mayor release one of their names publically. If it's a lie, the other bodyguards can call it. Now we have a guaranteed towny and all the detectives, etc. can PM their roles to him. In turn, he can forward them to the other bodyguards, so that even if the Mafia kills him, there will still be townies who know the important roles and can co-ordinate.
I'll consider switching my vote to you, but it doesn't matter that much. We can follow your plan whether or not you are the mayor.
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I vote for randombum for mayor. 
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I have to say Ace makes a lot of sense, his bodyguard plan would also mean the DTs don't have to waste a question about if the mayor is mafia or not.
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On March 19 2008 01:06 L wrote:Chances that Empyrean is Mafioso again are 20/130. Probability doesn't work the way you think it does.
2/13 is not slim? its 15% -_-; pretty low for me
Voting list:
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Last Romantic - 1
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aZnvaLiaNce
SMB - 1
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Last Romantic
Randombum - 9
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Dr. Dragoon
Alethios
g.s)naruto
sadir
fantacist
bockit
bwdero
ninja4ever
bugz|tooni|
fusionsdf - 3
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plexa
zbir
kau
Snubvob - 4
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LTT
joxxor
wurm
hollander
ghar - 8
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Falcynn
ace
ahrara_
pangolin
grandim
mandalor
amber[light]
rpf
Araav - 9
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Meta
sonuvbob
rowdierbob
klive5ive
dark.canival
naib
neax
energies
qrs
plexa - 1
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siefu
empyrean - 9
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caller
eti307
showtime!
mtf
bloodyc0bber
RtS)NightMare
Natsuterran
heros)pink
solesteer
ace -3
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ghar
spoinka
hittiegods
47/130 votes accounted for
Right now, we should start focusing on strong candidtates: that would be:
Randombum - 9 votes
Ghar - 8 votes
Araav- 9 votes
Empyrean - 9 votes
the rest of the candidates are behind on the voting count and i dont think they have a real chance of winning the mayorship. Instead i think we should focus on what candidates we want to have as mayor/pardoner, and think wisely.
edit: updated voting count
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Vote count:
LastRomantic - aZnvaLiaNce(1)
SoMuchBetter - SoMuchBetter(1)
randombum - Dr.Dragoon,Alethios,G.s)Naruto,Sadir,fanatacist,Bockit,BWdero,Ninja4ever(8)
fusionsdf - Plexa,Zbir,Kau(3)
Plexa - ssj100,Seifu(2)
SonuvBob - LTT,Joxxor,wurm,Heros)Pink(4)
Ghar - falcynn,Ace,ahrara,Pangolin,GranDim,Mandalor,Amber[Light],rpf(8)
araav - meta,SonuvBob,RowdierBob,Klive5ive,xDark.Carnivalx,Naib,Neax,Energies,qrs(9)
Empyrean - Caller,Eti307,Showtime,MTF,BloodyCobbler,NatsuTerran,RtS)NightMare(7)
Ace- Ghar,Spoinka(2)
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whoops sorry, had this post waiting but didnt catch Nightmare's in time
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On March 19 2008 01:06 qrs wrote:Now, that sounds like a good plan. Let me go you one better (unless this is what you meant): after the bodyguards are confirmed, let the mayor release one of their names publically. If it's a lie, the other bodyguards can call it. Now we have a guaranteed towny and all the detectives, etc. can PM their roles to him. In turn, he can forward them to the other bodyguards, so that even if the Mafia kills him, there will still be townies who know the important roles and can co-ordinate. I'll consider switching my vote to you, but it doesn't matter that much. We can follow your plan whether or not you are the mayor.
Now you're seeing it the way I hoped everyone would.
And yes, whether or not I am Mayor I would hope this plan or something even better is followed!
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For people that might have missed my plans as mayor, the link is in my profile page.
And I support Ace. Don't know if he's towny or not, but we think alike. So should I end up not getting enough votes, Ace would make a nice alternative if we need to combine votes to win.
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On March 19 2008 01:11 RtS)Night[Mare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2008 01:06 L wrote:Chances that Empyrean is Mafioso again are slim. Chances that Empyrean is Mafioso again are 20/130. Probability doesn't work the way you think it does. 2/13 is not slim? its 15% -_-; pretty low for me Voting list: + Show Spoiler +
Last Romantic - 1
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aZnvaLiaNce
SMB - 1
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Last Romantic
Randombum - 8
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Dr. Dragoon
Alethios
g.s)naruto
sadir
fantacist
bockit
bwdero
ninja4ever
fusionsdf - 3
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plexa
zbir
kau
Snubvob - 4
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LTT
joxxor
wurm
heros)pink
ghar - 6
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Falcynn
ace
ahrara_
pangolin
grandim
mandalor
amber[light]
Araav - 9
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Meta
sonuvbob
rowdierbob
klive5ive
dark.canival
naib
neax
energies
qrs
plexa - 1
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siefu
empyrean - 6
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caller
eti307
showtime!
mtf
bloodyc0bber
RtS)NightMare
ace -2
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ghar
spoinka
Right now, we should start focusing on strong candidtates: that would be: Randombum - 8 votes Ghar - 6 votes Araav- 9 votes Empyrean - 6 votes the rest of the candidates are behind on the voting count and i dont think they have a real chance of winning the mayorship. Instead i think we should focus on what candidates we want to have as mayor/pardoner, and think wisely.
Randombums mass PM would be suspicious. But he sent it before roles were handed out so we know that it is not a mafia ploy. And he does have a spotless voting record last game. Although his participation could have been a bit higher.
Ghar is on my suspect list, and others seem to distrust him aswell. So I am wary of putting him in a position of power.
Araav has a conservative double lynch platform. Something I find counterproductive. We should lynch early and often.
Empyrean, well, I don't trust his "I am a detective". Why would a detective make himself a target so early in the game? Seems like mafia shenanigans to me.
All in all, Randombum seems like the best choice of the four.
Any thoughts on this?
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