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On March 18 2008 21:06 Ghar wrote:
For all the people that think clues lead to me. Lynch me if you will, I've provided my parts of my strategy, a competent mayor can pick it up from there. Though I don't know why people are so analytical when it comes to interpreting clues in relation to me. But when it comes to someone else it's like, "araav can program in C++, works for me."
If I get mayor, you will have direct confirmation whether I'm mafia or not. As for the rest, they're not offering any plan of action to prove themselves.
I'm not saying you are mafia, i've just gone through the clues and profiles and ive made certain connections, and you happen to have been one of those connections. you've had good ideas for the town which gives you credit, im just not happy with the idea of voting for someone that i've found clues relating too. it's to early in the game to say 'so and so is mafia' but its best to take into account certain connections to base voting off of. If anything empryean will most likely get quite a few of the votes now because him saying he's detective, the fear of losing a detective may cause people to vote for him. araav is a good candidate, maybe not the best, but as of now he seems to be what the town needs; and that may change as well. Your ideas though will defintly provide the town with direction when we do elect a mayor.
sorry for posting so much so early in the game, i have sleeping problems so im usually up until mid-morning with nothing to do.
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I say you lynch 498, he is full of deceit.
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I don't think it's necessarily a bad idea to come out and say you are a detective.
Bear in mind if you believe what he says we only need to get him to pardoner status and he will be protected by bodyguards.
Empyrean should hopefully get paramedic help on the first night if not. Then all he has to do is find us a lead on a mafioso.
If he makes a claim and is then killed by the mafia we will see his role; this will only serve to justify his claims.
I think Ghar is our best candidate for Mafia so far. I urge one of the detective to test this link on the first night.
Pangolin I really think you are wrong, you said:
"Eight people in his way, chances weren't good." =/=
"All right, they're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us... they can't get away this time"
But you missed the full quote.
Ghar's quote refers to this situation:
(This is a direct cut-paste from http://www.nevadadailymail.com/blogs/stevemoyer/entry/16036/)
"When the Marines were cut off behind enemy lines and the Army had written the 1st Marine Division off as being lost because they were surrounded by 22 enemy divisions. The Marines made it out inflicting the highest casualty ratio on an enemy in history and destroying 7 entire enemy divisions in the process. It generated three versions of a Chesty Puller quote. I'm not sure which is accurate but they are all quotable."
One of the quotes is the one in the sig.
The whole clue was:
Eight people in his way, chances weren't good. He took them anyway. Grabbing Sidewinders arm, he flung him towards the group ahead of him. Sidewinder stumbled forward trying to stop the inevitable. Great, DapperDan thought, as Sidewinder knocked over Mr. Red and Mr. Black. He jumped through the opening towards the door and was almost home free when he was cut off by Mr. Blonde, coming out of nowhere it seemed. He rammed into DapperDan knocking him to the ground. King Brown Snake stepped up to him as DapperDan started getting up. He met him face to face halfway and pushed King Brown Snake out of the way as he proceeded to the door again. He almost made it out until finally someone pumped DapperDan's back full of lead.
So it's possible he made it past 7 people before being killed.
This should DEFINITELY take Ghar out of the running to be Mayor, regardless of whether he makes sense or not. We CANNOT allow someone to be Mayor when there is even the slightest possibility a clue points to them, in my view this is a pretty decent clue.
I urge all who voted for Ghar to change their vote.
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I will be running for mayor
Last time around I tried running for mafia under the pretext of being the most trustworthy mayor in town. Apparently that angle didn't work, so I decided this time to take my campaign in a completely different direction! Without further adieu, I present my new image and latest electoral poster!
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On March 18 2008 17:03 SonuvBob wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2008 16:53 araav wrote:On March 18 2008 16:36 SonuvBob wrote:On March 18 2008 15:52 SonuvBob wrote:I'll vote for anyone who posts all 130 sigs and profiles.  Ok, I voted for araav, as promised. You should still vote for me though. In addition to not being a douche, I can read edits. How cool is that?! That's a wrong approach, Bobbie. If you vote me, you should encourege everybody voting for you to vote for me too. Now, whoever votes for Sonuv, how good is that your leader has another boss?! Everybody vote for araav, he's you clever leader  I'm an admin, like Steve. :p Except I'll be less of a douche! That's the SonuvBob Promise™! 1. I'll be less of a douche than FakeSteve was! 2. I can read edits! 3. I can use HTML. Let's see those mafia scum fight that! 4. Four! Vote for me! http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=68177
He's already lying! Very suspicious!
Let's see his points:
1 - Debatable! (OK, who am I kidding, that's a valid point)
2 - Liar! You're not a mod, you're a newsposter, you can't read edits!
3 - Irrelevant!
4 - Five!
And you're not an admin! OMG, deceit!
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In regards to Ghar's detective plan if he is elected mayor.
Say Ghar is mafia, which the clues seem to point to at this point in time (although keep in mind that the clues don't mean anything and won't until at least a couple of day/night cycles).
Since it is impossible for the detectives to know who each other are at this point in time, it's impossible for them to agree on just one detective to talk with Ghar. Thus, in the best case scenario, all 4 detectives PM him and he is able to rely this information back to his mafia pals. Once the word is out that he is mafia and the town lynches the detective to confirm it, the mafia will be able to kill the rest of the detectives and eliminate one of the most useful town roles completely from the game. This may even lead to the town's ultimate demise.
I urge everyone to think about his plan a little more before voting for him
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Well the way you(Klive5ive) tell it is certainly more convincing then aznvaliance's. I still think it would be strange for a mafia candidate to advocate immediate role confirmation for himself after election, and also to give townies what seems like a solid townie role strategy. However, it is also true that any mayor could still use this strategy, even though Ace is the only other candidate that seems ready to embrace it.
I actually have a question for Ghar about his idea. How do you plan to have only one detective check the mayor's identity on the first day? Wouldn't having every detective check the mayor's role the first day effectively use half of the usable role checks immediately? I don't see how there can be any coordination until there is confirmation of everyone being a non-mafioso.
edit: to somuchbetter I believe the idea is for the detectives to role check the mayor before pming him. Thus if he is mafia then they would not pm him at all and would instead expose him to the town.
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No. What I'm saying is the detectives investigate me before they approach me. If I'm guilty, they spill with the town, they lynch the detective to prove he's right, I follow after. 1 detective life to garantee a dead mafia mayor.
If I'm innocent, they find that out, then they reveal to me in private that they are detective.
Edit: Yes, every detective would have to check me, but it's worth it since it confirms that they are real detectives to me, and they know I'm legit. Nothing comes without cost. Better to investigate someone important than random people.
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lots of candidates for mayor hm
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I don't like the way Empyrean has put himself up for mayor. He is basically forcing us to put him in a protected position or risk loosing a detective right away, which is a strategy that is (too) risky in my eyes. I doubt any real detective would put his powers on the line that easily. So I assume he is lying about being a detective, so I don't know what else he is lying about right now.
Ghar's plan sounds reasonable, but the detectives can do that for every mayor and not just not him. I don't see a real flaw in the plan, but I am hoping a more experienced mafia player can point out one or two. I can't be that easy. Also, is it worth it for the mafia to loose one member like that if they can take out the mayor and 1 or 2 detectives? (Sorry for being such a noob).
Sonuvbob has 4 votes already, despite having given very little reason to vote for him other than him being able to see edits and having other mod powers. Also he announced that he was running for mayor at 16:09 (TL time) with this post:
Ah what the hell,
I'm announcing my candidacy for mayor.
My platform: Being less of a douche than Steve was
He got his first vote in the voting thread at 16:14, 5 minutes later, before he even made a second post. The person voting for him was LTT. I don't know if he participated in the previous TL mafia (I couldn't find that post anywhere), but if someone can confirm that? If he did, it makes it even more suspicious for me, because he knows the game and yet still votes for someone right after he reads the post, even though the reasoning behind Sonuvbob running for mayor at that time was just that he would be less of a douche that FS. Mafia promoting their candidate too early?
So far I am not sure on who to vote, but I am waiting for a candidate to truly convince me.
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Ghar's plan sounds reasonable, but the detectives can do that for every mayor and not just not him. I don't see a real flaw in the plan, but I am hoping a more experienced mafia player can point out one or two. I can't be that easy. Also, is it worth it for the mafia to loose one member like that if they can take out the mayor and 1 or 2 detectives? (Sorry for being such a noob).
It offers more than that, it offers that you know that your mayor is legit or not. In the worst of circumstances, at least you won't have a mayor leading you in a goose chase. You can't be sure the other candidates are not mafia. I'm offering peace of mind that you will find out very soon should I be elected. In the best of circumstances, you have a network of people working together. Also I am offering a plan, which the others are not. Direction and teamwork is important no?
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I'm currently thinking about voting for Empyrean, its true that a Detective Mayor would be just imba good.
Obviously still thinking and taking a look at the other candidates.
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the problem is, that sacrificing one mafia for one detective and the major is good for the mafia. Imo if the major is mafia the detectives should repeat the process, but this time with the pardoner.
And the plan o/c works if we use another major.
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On March 18 2008 22:22 Puosu wrote:
I'm currently thinking about voting for Empyrean, its true that a Detective Mayor would be just imba good.
Obviously still thinking and taking a look at the other candidates.
i'm sorry but i don't buy even for a second that empyrean is actually a detective. there is no way to prove that he is a detective unless he is elected mayor and he follows through with ghar's plan. if not, the mafia kills him on the first night then the town is out an important role. he is basically forcing us to vote him for mayor or we lose a detective for no good reason.
if he's not a detective and just a lying townie trying to get a role, then why would we want him in a position of significance like the pardoner or mayor? or worse, he could be lying mafia.
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On March 18 2008 21:52 Ghar wrote:
Edit: Yes, every detective would have to check me, but it's worth it since it confirms that they are real detectives to me, and they know I'm legit. Nothing comes without cost. Better to investigate someone important than random people.
How would you know they are actually DTs though, could just as easily be mafia saying "hay, I checked you out, you're legit, and I'm a DT". Given that would mean more than four people would message you, but you still wouldn't know who is lying. Not to mention of not all DTs are active, or follow the plan.
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On March 18 2008 22:15 Ghar wrote:Show nested quote +Ghar's plan sounds reasonable, but the detectives can do that for every mayor and not just not him. I don't see a real flaw in the plan, but I am hoping a more experienced mafia player can point out one or two. I can't be that easy. Also, is it worth it for the mafia to loose one member like that if they can take out the mayor and 1 or 2 detectives? (Sorry for being such a noob). It offers more than that, it offers that you know that your mayor is legit or not. In the worst of circumstances, at least you won't have a mayor leading you in a goose chase. You can't be sure the other candidates are not mafia. I'm offering peace of mind that you will find out very soon should I be elected. In the best of circumstances, you have a network of people working together. Also I am offering a plan, which the others are not. Direction and teamwork is important no?
let's analyze a bit.
In case you happen to be a mafia and a detective finds it out, mafia sacrifies a simple member to a town's ability to have extra mafia lynches. sounds very appealing from mafia's perspective.
so this is NOT a good, convincing plan. And you still did nothing for me not to suspect you.
There can't be a flawless plan for mayor voting, you know. otherwise the game would suck.
I am guessing one of detectives will check the mayor anyways.. this can't be your plan.
Also you said "ok, lynch me and find out". This is never a good towny way. This means you do not care about the town at best!
Now, what Empy did is very stupid too... He put us in a situation where we cannot let him just die. If he is a real detective, then he must be voted as a Mayor or Pardoner. He would be awesome. If he's a mafia, we just lose the role of mayor or pardoner.
Now, I think while the townies outnumber the mafias by a lot, the mafia pardoner is not that dangerous for the town. He will be dangerous only when each mafia pardoning will mean very critical for the town... So I propose to make Empyrean the pardoner and never the Mayor
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And that would mean he has to get the second most amount of votes, so he is well on his way. ;~
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How would you know they are actually DTs though, could just as easily be mafia saying "hay, I checked you out, you're legit, and I'm a DT". Given that would mean more than four people would message you, but you still wouldn't know who is lying. Not to mention of not all DTs are active, or follow the plan.
There are a few things I would ask them to do before I'd be satisfied they're legit. I won't disclose that at the moment in case mafia make a counter strategy.
let's analyze a bit.
In case you happen to be a mafia and a detective finds it out, mafia sacrifies a simple member to a town's ability to have extra mafia lynches. sounds very appealing from mafia's perspective.
so this is NOT a good, convincing plan. And you still did nothing for me not to suspect you.
It's better than having a mafia mayor leading people to death. What I'm aiming for though is the best case scenario to set up a network of people with roles, that gives the best chance at winning. I'm not trying to convince you, I said already, all claims of not being mafia are moot. I'm providing a strategy to victory, because that's more feasible than trying to clear a name that can't be cleared at the moment
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On March 18 2008 23:03 Ghar wrote:Show nested quote +How would you know they are actually DTs though, could just as easily be mafia saying "hay, I checked you out, you're legit, and I'm a DT". Given that would mean more than four people would message you, but you still wouldn't know who is lying. Not to mention of not all DTs are active, or follow the plan. There are a few things I would ask them to do before I'd be satisfied they're legit. I won't disclose that at the moment in case mafia make a counter strategy. Show nested quote +let's analyze a bit.
In case you happen to be a mafia and a detective finds it out, mafia sacrifies a simple member to a town's ability to have extra mafia lynches. sounds very appealing from mafia's perspective.
so this is NOT a good, convincing plan. And you still did nothing for me not to suspect you. It's better than having a mafia mayor leading people to death. What I'm aiming for though is the best case scenario to set up a network of people with roles, that gives the best chance at winning. I'm not trying to convince you, I said already, all claims of not being mafia are moot. I'm providing a strategy to victory, because that's more feasible than trying to clear a name that can't be cleared at the moment
you so-called strategy is simply too superficial and could easily move to a Mayor lose for the town.
At this stage of the game, it is best to vote for people who seem towny - i.e. DO not seem suspicious AT ALL: no clue-interpretations about them, no stupid moves (like Empy did)
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The same risk holds with any other candidate. I don't see how I'm more at risk than the others, besides some clues that are too early, and best interpreted by a detective. A less risk mayor doesn't guarantee an innocent one. A mafia mayor is better off dead. And an incompetent mayor is like he never existed.
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