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morning fellow liquidians!
ok , so far araav seems to be a trustworthy mayor in my eyes.i mean no mafia would bother writing a script to fetch all the profiles (not even the most dedicated mafia with a super evil masterplan).
only flaw is that he didnt post a real strategy yet.only the common "i will be a good mayor , i hate fakesteve etc." stuff.
ghars plan is looking solid on the first view although it probably has its flaws somewhere.it seems the whole strategy is too "fixed" and inflexibel.it could totally backfire if the mafia finds a counter to it and we are screwed.
dont have enough info on the other candidates yet to make up my mind...
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On March 18 2008 18:32 xDark.Carnivalx wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2008 18:27 Evilmonkey. wrote:
I was tickled when I saw that I had two pms, one being from Randombum. If he took the time to present his case to everyone, then he has the time to be a good mayor. He looks to have my vote. the problem with that is it was rather inefficient to send pms like that to everyone, and it wasn't a personal request; the time it took to send out the same pm to everyone seems to be the main reason people are even considering to vote for him, and that is a rather silly way to vote for the mayor. it would have been much simpler had he just announced his running for mayor in the thread, which points to him not being the best person for mayor. it's not only about who might be mafia, it's about who is best for the job.
Great points here.
Also I'm not going to vote for Araav because he made a script. And his points for running for Mayor were not good enough in my eyes.
Just as an aide to future voters and other games when it comes to Mayor voting, here is my strategy:
You have no idea who is guilty or innocent Day 1. Even with the clues, it's all speculation unless we find a 100% concrete link.
With this rule in mind whether or not someone is Mafia or Innocent can't be the crux of your decision. Base it off of who seems intelligent,logical and active enough to help the Town survive. Anyone with a plan is better than someone without one even if their plan sucks - that way we have somewhere to start off debating which as I've stated numerous times is critical.
Voting for someone based on logic is our best defense. Even with a Mafia Mayor, we all know how to discern when someone is acting irrationally aka against the best interest of the Town. With this in mind we can easily trap a Mafia Mayor, and even force them to do work that benefits the Town asap like The Bodyguard linking strat I posted earlier.
Even better is that this kind of plan works with the Pardoner also 
As of now I'm voting for Ghar to be Mayor, and if that fails I hope he becomes Pardoner.
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ugh ok you people are really either acting slightly on drugs or something.
HOW does Araav knowing programming languages benefit us?
Seriously ask yourself that.
I know C/C++, Java, and Assembly but that really won't help me find Mafia members now will it?
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it will be interesting to see who will run for mayor later in the day when more people come online and post. my vote for araav is not concrete set in stone, as i am still looking for better candidates to vote for given the proper justification and reasoning, but as of now he is the best in my opinion. Ghar, although he has given good ideas and stratedgies, still has my hackles raised in suspicion over some of the clues pointing at him. i'm not saying he IS mafia, but i would rather be cautious and not vote for him then vote for him and have everything go to hell.
edit to add in after reading your new post ace: i don't know if people are seriously voting based on his knowledge of c++ or whatever, but i know part of my voting for him is his intiative to list all of it in one easy to find post; it makes looking for quotes and things to relate to clues easier, and that benefits the town.
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Germany2896 Posts
Ghars plan is very similar to the one I had. But I don't think a DT should suicide to kill the major. Instead he should rolecheck the Pardoner and if the pardoner is innocent report to him.
Posting the siglist doesn't make aarav seem innocent from my point of view: It does not give not give the town a real advantage but looks like you are trying to help the town.
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have you looked through all the profiles? i have. it takes forever, there's over 100 people's profiles to look at, so having a siglist makes it much simpler and faster then clicking on every link. it's not sufficient reason to be made mayor, but it does benefit the town for those of us who take the clues and run through the list and try to make connections, and he took the intiative to do that which most mafia i don't think would.
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I would like to say that I do not find Ghar suspicious. The Day 1 post says that there were eight people in the way of dapperdan's escape. To me that implys 8 people between him and the door, not being surrounded as Ghar's sig is about. aZnvaLiaNce's original line of reasoning: 8 people, 8 cardinal directions, must be surrounded, seems like quite a stretch to me. Adding to this is the fact that aZnvaLiaNce's posts in general have seemed much less logical and well thought out when compared to Ghar's posts. Basically what I am saying is. "Eight people in his way, chances weren't good." =/= "All right, they're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us... they can't get away this time"
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16950 Posts
I just woke up!
I'm running for mayor as well.
I have previous mafia experience, and have a good idea of how mafia like to conduct things.
Furthermore, I'll take everyone's opinion into consideration, as well as analyze everything myself.
The most important reason, and this is kind of risky saying it, but I am a detective. If I'm elected mayor, I'll be guaranteed to be safe from mafia attacks so I can publish my detective results daily, giving us a large boost. If you want, I can ask some easy questions confirming people's roles so they can back me up. The possibility of a Detective Mayor is something in the town's favor.
Also, if you don't vote for me now, mafia will target me first night and the town'll be down a detective without me even asking anything :[
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i can't help but think that wasn't the best idea on your part too say you are a detective. either you aren't and are just a towny trying to get mayor by using a important role as leverage, or you are a mafia member trying to get votes for the same reason. if you really are a detective though, then you just put yourself into a risky situation as the mafia now have a target to go for.
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I'm not sure about that either, having a DT mayor would indeed be benificial to the town, but chances of winning are low, seeing how many candidates we have running. At this point (sup tasteless) just claiming to have a perticular role is somewhat random though, anyone could just claim to be anything really. Still, I think I'd be willing to give Empyrean my vote.
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I can see where he's coming from though. It would be helpful to have a detective mayor since it solves the problem with detectives that they have to choose whether to reveal their info and face the mobs wrath or simply hoard info without a way to give it to the average townie. The only problem I have is that if he doesn't win, then he just hurt the town by announcing his role. This makes the whole move somewhat selfish. I am personally hoping now that Ghar becomes the mayor and Empyrean becomes the Pardoner, because then Empyrean will still be protected by bodyguards and Ghar can enact his plan to have a scum-free government. This is of course assuming Empyrean is not lying...
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it would be very helpful having a detective mayor -- or pardoner. i think more votes need to be cast before we can discern really where to go with what empyrean revealed. it's almost going to force the town to vote for him on the chance he really is a detective, as losing a detective so early would be a big hurt on us. im thinking it may be better for him to be pardoner just because he made a bit of a rash decision to reveal his role, and may not be best suitted as a mayor, not that a pardoner is a unimportant role, but it would be better to have the best possible candidate we can vote on for mayor then someone forcing our hand because he revealed his role.
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yea you are kinda blackmailing us with revealing your role
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"The Wolf and Taipan Snake had followed his near suicidal jump and were on him quick. Taipan Snake automatically knocked him to the ground and proceeded to kick him, being unarmed at the time. The Wolf approached "Sorry Chuiu, I gotta do this I hope you understand" as he pulled out a gun and made his mark on Chuiu's head."
The Taipan Snake is from Australia. Who here is an Australian? As for the Wolf, it could be anything, but could it perhaps be a reference to a fairy tale, like Red Riding Hood or Peter and the Wolf?
"Solemn but seeing a promising future"
No idea what this means.
"Eddie stood in front of them, gun pointing to Chuiu, ready to shoot at a moments notice. "We don't like the way you're running things, and its time for change, either you submit and follow my leadership or you get to taste lead for dinner"
I'd presume it's somebody that's a leader at TL.
"Chuiu's stomach sunk, he couldn't follow these blood thirsty mongrels and there was no way he could get out of this alive"
Maybe Ieatkids? No idea, but I'd presume it involves something with either blood or dogs.
"Mr. Blue got in the last word"
LastRomantic maybe? Or is that a bit obvious?
The King Brown Snake, fyi, is the 2nd deadliest snake after the Taipan in Australia. Maybe we have 2 Australian Mafiaso?
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I don't know if it really means anything one way or the other, but I would like to point out that brown king snakes are also from Australia.
edit: I guess I didn't notice the last sentence of the previous post. 
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I think i'll post up some of my suspicions/connections...
For 'The Wolf' - "The Wolf approached "Sorry Chuiu, I gotta do this I hope you understand" - part of CTStalker's quote in his profile is "I bear no grudge against you" which relates to the wolf apologizing etc. also 'the wolf' meaning a wolf, which a wolf stalks it's prey and chases them down relatively fast, which relates to 'Stalker' in ctstalkers username. So far that's the best connection i've made with that clue.
"He almost made it out until finally someone pumped DapperDan's back full of lead." - not much to go on but it semi-relates to suresh0t's name as sure shot may refer to being of good aim and 'back full of lead' relates to a gun, so gun and shooting = sureshot. not much... but something to take note of.
Mr. Blonde - "Coming out of nowhere it seemed." - maybe connection to G.s)Naruto, which naruto is an anime character who has blondehair(i think, unfornatunly i cant remember exactly?lol), and is a ninja, which ninja's are known to be stealthy which fits into 'coming out of nowhere' meaning wasn't expected. not much else really just that connection. also Ninja4ever may have some connection, but his quote iirc doesn't really fit much.
Next, Eddie, eddie is portrayed as the mafia leader. which i agree with caller could mean someone in teamliquid who has a high position or is seen as a leader, but zeks quote is "With great power comes great responsibility." Which may relate to having a position of power, which running the mafia would be. Again just a connection, i'm not saying anyone is mafia just connection clues to things.
Enigma - "An enigma is a puzzle, something mysterious or inexplicable, or a riddle or difficult problem." Siefu's quote is 'He walks among us, but he is not one of us' which may connect to someone mysterious, and the sentence sounds something of a riddle.
Mr. Pink - "Yes, but lets not be hasty, we should take care when proceeding" - BlindAblino may relate to this because blind people are cautious; but there isn't much else to go on though, perhaps albino can be connected with pink.
Anyway that's what i have for now, i have other theories and connections but their more minor then these and will require further analysis before i can even consider making more then a small note on them. Again i'm not saying any of these people are mafia, i'm just pointing out what i found relating clues to them and perhaps other people will make similar connections.
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Sydney2287 Posts
My thoughts...
randombum: He showed his skills in the previous game (one of the vigilantes who did an amazing job), his voting pattern was good (according to a quote earlier in the thread, I haven't checked maybe I should) and I actually liked the mass PM, not because of the content but because of the effort involved in actually doing that. It shows he's dedicated, and that's something we need for the mayor.
Empyrean: Experience as mafia, knows how they think also if he is a detective a detective mayor would be incredibly devestating against the mafia.
araav: Basically I was impressed by how quickly he came up with the numbers. I had thought of doing something like that myself but never got around to it cos I'd have to do a lot of learning along the way. Massive props for that. Also someone mentioned "why would you pick a mayor because they can program c++?", my answer is for the bodyguards, because information like that is deadly to the mafia, we will be able to pick up trends and a lot more through smart use of his skills. Also, it's all well and good to say "but I can do that too", but you haven't posted results, araav has.
Based off this, I think randombum should be mayor because imo he has proven himself to be capable of picking out mafia and will be useful in the leadership position, and araav as pardoner (I know we don't get to vote for this, but we should organise the vote to cover this) purely for the protection of bodyguards.
The reason I pick araav over empyrean is purely because we know araav can provide the results and they are checkable, whereas empyrean, we are not 100% positive he is a detective, and it would be difficult to determine this, maybe not until it is too late.
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 18 2008 20:19 Caller wrote:
"The Wolf and Taipan Snake had followed his near suicidal jump and were on him quick. Taipan Snake automatically knocked him to the ground and proceeded to kick him, being unarmed at the time. The Wolf approached "Sorry Chuiu, I gotta do this I hope you understand" as he pulled out a gun and made his mark on Chuiu's head."
The Taipan Snake is from Australia. Who here is an Australian? As for the Wolf, it could be anything, but could it perhaps be a reference to a fairy tale, like Red Riding Hood or Peter and the Wolf?
"Solemn but seeing a promising future"
No idea what this means.
"Eddie stood in front of them, gun pointing to Chuiu, ready to shoot at a moments notice. "We don't like the way you're running things, and its time for change, either you submit and follow my leadership or you get to taste lead for dinner"
I'd presume it's somebody that's a leader at TL.
"Chuiu's stomach sunk, he couldn't follow these blood thirsty mongrels and there was no way he could get out of this alive"
Maybe Ieatkids? No idea, but I'd presume it involves something with either blood or dogs.
"Mr. Blue got in the last word"
LastRomantic maybe? Or is that a bit obvious?
The King Brown Snake, fyi, is the 2nd deadliest snake after the Taipan in Australia. Maybe we have 2 Australian Mafiaso?
I'm thinking that perhaps the taipan snake is meant to throw us off and think it is in connection to australia, where it may be a connection to china? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tai-Pan
The King Brown Snake though probably still relates to australia is my guess.
BloodyC0bbler may be connected with "Chuiu's stomach sunk, he couldn't follow these blood thirsty mongrels and there was no way he could get out of this alive" but that's a bit too simple of a connection... and his quote doesn't really fit in with it i think, 'Sweet Water and Light Laughter'
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On March 18 2008 20:45 Bockit wrote:
My thoughts...
randombum: He showed his skills in the previous game (one of the vigilantes who did an amazing job), his voting pattern was good (according to a quote earlier in the thread, I haven't checked maybe I should) and I actually liked the mass PM, not because of the content but because of the effort involved in actually doing that. It shows he's dedicated, and that's something we need for the mayor.
there is no effort involved in mass PM's. to prove a point i PM'd everyone on the page where his pm was posted with my parody of randombum's PM in like 10 seconds flat.
if anyone is curious, my pm looked like this
+ Show Spoiler +Hello. Now i know what you're thinking. What's a flawed man such as myself doing PMing mankid's monument to pure unkempt overfollowing testosterone, dashing good looks and large phalli, yourself (pictured below). I want you to give me a chance as the mayor of Liquida. A. I've been around TL.net longer than randombum, making me a more valuable member of the community than he is. B. I will always double lynch if town asks (i'm told this is a good thing) C. My post count is really big. D. I took the time writing this PM because randombum made one, and I personally think I'm cooler. Oh yeah, and spam in thread or something like that. Thanks, SoMuchBetter
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For all the people that think clues lead to me. Lynch me if you will, I've provided my parts of my strategy, a competent mayor can pick it up from there. Though I don't know why people are so analytical when it comes to interpreting clues in relation to me. But when it comes to someone else it's like, "araav can program in C++, works for me."
If I get mayor, you will have direct confirmation whether I'm mafia or not. As for the rest, they're not offering any plan of action to prove themselves.
Taipan Snake is an Australian snake, and you are from Australia, so there is a chance you are mafia!
There's a chance anyone can be mafia. That you're playing the game confirms it.
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