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On June 07 2024 11:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ha! Still not mafia. Mason me pls! I've never been in a Mason game before. I understand what it is, but what are the advantages for town on its usage?[/QUOTE] On June 07 2024 11:18 scott31337 wrote: Masons are town flavored because they usually confirm people. These are more like neighbor roles that the OP discusses. On June 07 2024 11:22 scott31337 wrote: It was an honest question and Rayn answered what I was looking for. 🚩🚩🚩 | ||
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On June 07 2024 11:03 scott31337 wrote: I've never been in a Mason game before. I understand what it is, but what are the advantages for town on its usage? On June 07 2024 11:18 scott31337 wrote: Masons are town flavored because they usually confirm people. These are more like neighbor roles that the OP discusses. On June 07 2024 11:22 scott31337 wrote: It was an honest question and Rayn answered what I was looking for. 🚩🚩🚩 | ||
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On June 07 2024 12:13 rsoultin wrote: Is the flag on the play that he looks like he answered his own question? Exactly so. is it really an honest question when he knows the answer. Very curious. | ||
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On June 07 2024 12:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: What do you think of the situation regarding you scott? Do you get Alpha's argument? It’s pretty enjoyable to be called alpha. Also accurate. 😉 | ||
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From what I can see, you thought his oats read was off and then the next thing you said was you didn't want to lynch him today? | ||
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On June 07 2024 15:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: How familiar are you with Trfel, AZ? Familiar enough to agree with your assessment of his play as 'weird' this game. | ||
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On June 07 2024 15:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't think he's being weird anymore though, i think he is town. What does it mean that he was weird earlier though? I just feel like he is being a lot more 'confident' and less wishy-washy than I associate with his town play. I agree that this looks town-like on the surface, but it also strikes me as 'other' | ||
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On June 07 2024 14:58 Trfel wrote: Okay so it was the former. Still though I have a hard time understanding Oatsmaster's posts..... Idk maybe he's just town because his posting looks really awful but I don't think he would do that as mafia because he knows better and can do better? Which is a pretty darn stupid argument but it's the best I have? On June 07 2024 15:03 Trfel wrote: Like the part I don't get most is that he really really really didn't interact with anyone or get involved. Even when I tried to draw him out a bit. Why come and post in a way that's not productive or interactive? It just looks bad. Which is actually why I think he may be town because of it, it's kinda wifom, but mafia generally isn't going to make themselves look bad for no reason. I think he might be town and just not care that much. I agree with this analysis, but I don't see how this can co-exist with Trfel finding Vivax's vibe read on oats as weird. To me, this is a protracted version of the same read. I'm interested to see what you think of Vivax's read now trfel. | ||
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On June 07 2024 15:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think i explained that in a post towards him or rsoultin. I just went through the last couple of pages, and i agree you may have a point. Like Trfel is defending Oats (and not talking about Vivax), when i asked him (and rsoul) about both of them. I mean if he so strongly feels Oats is not acting in a scummy way, why not change the discussion to Vivax with like "hey rayn i think Oats might be town, can we talk about Vivax instead" or something. Exactly so. | ||
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On June 07 2024 16:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: What would that mean regarding Vivax / Oats, if Trfel is mafia? I'd need to think about that. I am not convinced Trfel is mafia. | ||
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I find his entrance to be forced, like he is trying too hard to find something scummy. I am interested in why truffles thinks he doesn't want to lynch mocsta today? Is it because Mocsta sheeped your push? | ||
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On June 07 2024 22:43 Mocsta wrote: at first I thought that you confused me with trfel, and the last statement confirms you did not. What is that that i mischaracterized or nitpicked in kelsier entry post? It would be a mischaracterisation of the post you quoted to say I said you mischaracterised. I don’t need to point out the specific instances. You can go back and look at your own filter and see that you were nit picking. For the record, I have no issue with nitpicking, but you claim to “not understand it” while also engaging In it. | ||
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On June 07 2024 22:43 Mocsta wrote: at first I thought that you confused me with trfel, and the last statement confirms you did not. What is that that i mischaracterized or nitpicked in kelsier entry post? Further, doesn’t this imply you thought trfel was doing the above? | ||
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On June 07 2024 22:50 Mocsta wrote: guilty of seeking to sound fancy Regardless when I read what I wrote which was one sentence I found you to embellish if in disagreement. So yes I am asking you to point out I can’t be bothered. Do with that as you will. The game is short and you can read. I’d rather not do your homework for you. And if you can’t see what I see then your mind is closed and that makes you more likely mafia. | ||
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So you considered that statement and when you thought it was about truffles it wasn’t worth addressing? | ||
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Why is that? | ||
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There is a lot of bluster and attacking players which on the surface could look town aligned , but it doesn’t seem like he is genuinely trying to determine alignments to me. | ||
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On June 07 2024 22:58 Mocsta wrote: Somewhat shocked of all things sandroba could post on. It's that Am I missing relevance? It's not like that is his final post? You should learn from Sandro. | ||
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On June 07 2024 23:07 Mocsta wrote: Lol Talk about gaslighting Call me mafia and ignore *my* questions to elucidate Wonder who is more likely to gaslight between town and mafia..... I gave you an answer. Your whole approach has been nitpick-y which is why I found it funny that you called me out on it. (And I don’t even agree that my post was nitpicking, I raised a valid point) Unless you think we should just argue back and forth about weather did or did not nitpick.? In a most nitpicky fashion? | ||
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Careful, that could be considered a mild nitpick Marv. | ||
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On June 07 2024 23:13 AlphaZero wrote: I gave you an answer. Your whole approach has been nitpick-y which is why I found it funny that you called me out on it. (And I don’t even agree that my post was nitpicking, I raised a valid point) Unless you think we should just argue back and forth about whether you did or did not nitpick.? In a most nitpicky fashion? Edit: typos | ||
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On June 07 2024 23:21 Mocsta wrote: no I don't want to argue back and forth And would assume.its making overall town environment worse than better given no one has endorsed Frankly I'm still cautious of you as I assume you are of me I just accept for now this is at an impasse Could it be possible.both of us are defiant in what we believe are valid points. Maybe. I'm not closed to this. Although I don't find that to be a town v town tell either. Hence why I'm ok to leave this alone for time being Is there anyone you are interested in my thoughts on (other than trfel or kelsier)? Yes. Scott. | ||
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On June 07 2024 23:41 Vivax wrote: I don‘t like how AZ went redflag mode on Scott only to conveniently forget about it and start gunning at Mocsta. If you‘re going to look that convinced on someone why switch priorities so easily ? Did I forget about it though? | ||
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On June 07 2024 23:51 Vivax wrote: I tend to keep some room for doubt in my own interpretation while you seemed very convinced. Doesn‘t look like you are based on the followup. Since I‘ll be working overnight, I‘ll give the game a read and place my vote. It’s obvious that I’m thinking about Scott if I’m trying to get no stats position on him as soon as he provides that opportunity. Come on vivax, keep up. | ||
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On June 08 2024 00:12 Vivax wrote: Of course scott could also be blue so he‘d be more cautious in the fights he picks and come across as evasive. I‘d be ok with him or Kelsier as of now. Willing to see what marv, rayn sandro cook up. 1.) Sandro has already cooked. 2.) what’s scummy about Kelsier? | ||
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Trfel is really worrying me. On the surface is very pro town, but also playing in a clearly different way to his prior games. I don’t really like his scum reads at all. I don’t level as if he is being that proactive in getting kelsier lynched, even though he apparently strongly suspects him. And I find his reasoning for his scumreads much weaker than his other posts. I agree with a lot of his analysis but not when it comes to finding mafia… I think his Smurf hunting made more sense logically than his scum reads which bothers me. I wouldn’t lynch today, but if there is an active mafia hiding it’s this guy. Scott just looks bad to me, completely forgettable, aside from his question that has already been analysed I couldn’t tell you why exactly. His scum hunting just comes across as manufactured, Won’t lynch Marv today. Rso has felt town by vibe. Vivax I think is not consistently giving me good reasons to town read him Rayn is being Rayn. Pretty much null. Mocsta: looked better disengaging than when he was trying to do stuff. Don’t know what that means. Kelsier: anyone with a strong opinion here is sus. Very null. Rest need to post more or post more meaningful stuff. | ||
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Even when I don’t agree with everything, most players post something I can empathise with. Scott’s thought processes are alien to me. Like he can’t fathom people town reading oats. Doesn’t make sense to me cause last looks clearly town. And good players are picking that up. | ||
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On June 08 2024 06:53 rsoultin wrote: okay, but...thought experiment, if scott is scum and oats is town, does that make sense as a read? i mean i guess if he was looking for a mislynch it could be frustrating to have people just remove someone from the table for what seems like very little but there are other low-hanging fruit to push or do you think they're both scum and scott knows oats is scum and then the 'good players' thing making a townread on oats is kinda negated isn't it? Can you explain what you mean a bit more? It’s interesting but I am not sure I grasp the thought yet. | ||
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On June 08 2024 06:57 rsoultin wrote: i think i didn't hate his reads was what it was cause we're mostly on similar pages, and he seems to not be too fazed by the early pressure from folks. that said it's not a strong townlean Interesting. To me that list said was thoroughly underwhelming and said basically nothing except he wants to lynch Kelsier. I will have a think about it. | ||
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On June 08 2024 07:11 rsoultin wrote: i'm not really sure how to explain it better, tbh. i just don't feel lynching people you don't agree with or don't have the same reads as you is a great way to find scum generally, and i'm struggling to find the mafia motivation for being frustrated, seemingly, that someone you struggle to read others are townreading so easily with little to no explanation when you're trying to figure out their alignment. i know that's assuming town motivation, but what's the scum one i guess is the point? The scum motivation is that it’s frustrating for townies to clear townies for “bad” reasons. I take your point however I do think there is value in determining if you can empathise (not agree) with someone’s thought processes cause that makes it more likely to be genuine. Remember mafia aren’t really thinking like town, so they are going to have times that their reads are just too ‘wrong’ to be town. | ||
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On June 08 2024 07:32 Trfel wrote: I guess I dunno what more I can do with Kelsi3r, people aren't super interested in lynching him, it is what it is. I mean I could definitely be wrong. But if he is mafia and gets through this it's not due to my lack of trying. I guess if he is town and doesn't change anything and survives that's also not due to my lack of trying  But you get my point.Is your "won't lynch marvellosity" thing a town read thing or a waiting thing? It’s a “bad idea to try and lynch Marv day one thing” when he is playing the game and seems to be enjoying things. | ||
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On June 08 2024 07:37 rsoultin wrote: i see your point. i don't fully agree on scott in particular in no small part because i can empathize with struggling to read someone as town but you could be right and i'm just wrong so there's that lol >< And the reverse is also possible | ||
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On June 08 2024 07:45 Trfel wrote: Fair, I understand that view. Not sure if I agree but I at least get it. I would definitely be very sad to lynch him, like I said, he's the funniest player so far. That's a pretty big motivator. People seem to have strong opinions on sandroba and Vivax and I'm just not seeing it right now. (same with Oatsmaster but that's on me for being bad so I expect this, it doesn't worry me yet) Can anyone post or point me to a reasonable explanation of reading sandroba or Vivax? Sandros catchup posting resonated with me. He seemed to be just comfortable putting things out there. Vivax im not sure anyone should how anyone could call him town right now. He looked ok initially. Recently pretty meh. | ||
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Do you really not get it? | ||
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He is saying that you made a read you should not make as town. At least that’s my interpretation. It’s a very Rayn thing to think. | ||
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On June 08 2024 07:53 Trfel wrote: I agree about Vivax, he feels decidedly meh to me. Can I ask more about sandroba? Are you referring to the posts 2 hours ago, or 4? Because reading over both, I don't actually feel like he is doing much, just kinda asking questions. This isn't bad per se, but it doesn't really give me any reason to townread him? He hasn't had a ton of meaningful thoughts in a while imo. I’m talking about his catchup and entry into the thread. If you don’t think it’s bad what’s the issue. Sandro will look townie if he is town. | ||
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On June 08 2024 07:57 marvellosity wrote: Also can I just say. If you all think I’m too smart to make a poor post on rsoul because she hadn’t posted after page 8. Then you need to be consistent and understand I am also too smart as mafia to make that post. Because I am now suffering the inevitable conclusion. I refer back to my list post once more as that’s where I actually stood having read the game. My bad for not contextualising rsouls filter. I think it’s just Rayn that thinks that 😜 | ||
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On June 08 2024 08:23 marvellosity wrote: To be honest, I still don’t get this sand thing. Maybe I’m blinded because I like sand but I just agree with almost everything he’s saying. I mean in the world sand is mafia, he’d have to have magically had a whole bunch of the same reads for the same reasons and I can’t get behind that theory I think rsoul looks quite good during my catch up but I don’t understand the sand read for the above reasons. I would lynch her over sand in a 1v1 I agree with you 💯 percent on this Marv. You can join my top town club with oats and Sandro. | ||
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On June 08 2024 08:29 marvellosity wrote: Question for you just for funsies Do you think Trfel is self aware enough as a mafia (the game) player to know that his posting style this game comes off noticeably different to normal Yea, especially when it’s pointed out. | ||
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On June 08 2024 08:29 scott31337 wrote: I've read the thread but I've had a long day at work as well, so am a bit tired. I searched my name in Alpha's filter - 20 times at the moment And if you have been paying attention - keeps calling me scummy. I search for Vivax - 20 hours ago The rest is quotes from Vivax or others saying his name. A post an hour ago Vivax I think is not consistently giving me good reasons to town read him And now he votes for him. But AZ has been calling me scummy all game so far. Seems suspicious to me. Lol | ||
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I knew someone (probably mafia) would makes this argument before I even posted my thoughts on vivax. And I did it anyway. What does it mean?? | ||
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On June 08 2024 08:34 marvellosity wrote: So if we’re saying he is mafia (hypothetically only for funsies) do you think he’d decide to post in said noticeably different style? I’m not sure that the style change could be intentional. So I guess it’s not a decision. My thoughts are his mental health could be better (hope this is true) Or that he has more confidence cause he has map hacks. | ||
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Wrong! On two counts! | ||
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The first being Scott’s opening posts. Town circle activate! | ||
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On June 08 2024 09:24 rsoultin wrote: okay obviously i need to explain isn't the crux of the push on scott 1) he opened with setup discussion = mafia = policy lynch 2) he asked how masons are towny then explained how masons are towny = objectively inconsistent You know there is more to it than that. cause you commented on it. Come on now. | ||
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On June 08 2024 09:33 die_meatbaby wrote: uff i don´t why this makes you a bit townie for me. a fucking bs mistake what just feels so green for me. But i need more to make actuall reads. whats you opinion on az? He’s very handsome. | ||
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On June 08 2024 09:37 die_meatbaby wrote: are you handsome as well? I feel something cold on my neck when I am reading your posts Maybe trauma response? | ||
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On June 08 2024 09:37 rsoultin wrote: the 'more to it' isn't interesting to me it was fine for you and viva to jump on that early cause that was all there was and probably the only interesting thing going on apart from truffle sounding like a bloody robot. we've now got ~30 pages of game Yes that’s fair in isolation. but the second point against him definitely tracks with a mafia agenda. Now there are two points for the same player that don’t sit right. That’s a pattern building. But hey, feel free to present an alternative option if you see one. I will consider it on its merits. | ||
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On June 08 2024 09:42 Trfel wrote: AlphaZero, have you played much with scott31337? No | ||
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On June 08 2024 13:30 Oatsmaster wrote: Withholds information how? Idk why people (trfel&mocsta) don’t wanna talk about az so weird Me too. Interesting . | ||
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On June 07 2024 23:17 Mocsta wrote: off topic but it is in the basis of telling me I'm wrong and then I ask for more saying I'm too stupid to get it or lazy or whatever I much prefer his tone on most recent post since this so don't intend to talk about this comment any further. Just sought to stand my ground on a topic that matters in real life. No worries if you still disagree. | ||
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On June 08 2024 14:27 Trfel wrote: Who is suspicious of you? Mocsta, rsoultin, and die_meatbaby right? Am I missing anyone? I guess mayyyybe scott31337? Four votes at most, hardly an easy mislynch. I thought you were somewhat interested. I just don’t have the time or inclination to really defend myself so we will see I guess. | ||
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On June 08 2024 14:42 Mocsta wrote: because there has been resistance so it just clouds discussion when a few people were yet to post i.e. put into monitor basket. I would summarise AZ style of play as pulling up inconsistencies and letting others draw conclusions. it is the missing conclusion that i refer to as withhold.. im not talking about withholding reads, those have been aired yet are all over the place and everything is contingent on something else which i associate as a scum thing to do. scott, trfel, Like one thing I cannot get past is that AZ is defending Kelsier as if he is a town-read, yet calls him "very null" to the point that anyone attacking is super sus.. I just struggle to see town being this hedged. Literally the only thing about kelsier in his filter is: I’d hardly call that defending him the first part was pointing out your hypocrisy The second was not understanding the scum read on him which is entirely consistent with my strong null read. I think my points on Scott are the best scumhunting that has happened this game. And I have a good set of town reads. Now that I think about it I’m playing really well. | ||
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On June 08 2024 18:03 Mocsta wrote: Well I mean that's predictable given me today What if it wasn't me? Would Scott/vivax/slam still be your group? Not sure, I don't really work with teams much of the time. Just work on what is individually scummy and then if the team makes sense that's bonus points. I think it's possible rso is mafia for example, but I wouldn't make a wager that this was the case. Same with rayn. I think Scott and yourself are a pairing that makes sense if I was going to make associative cases. And you are both in the poe if I was going to eliminate the townie looking players. If one of you was town though I would bet you were town over Scott hands down. | ||
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On June 08 2024 18:08 Mocsta wrote: Alpha.. is there anything in particular that removes dmb from your pool of scum? Nope. Nor is there anything that puts her in it. But she is firmly in the poe. | ||
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On June 08 2024 18:15 marvellosity wrote: Oh yeah. That vote from way earlier d1? I mean he reason it’s a disappointing response from me is because reading so many of your posts, that doesn’t seem to be the main driver for you. What I’m getting at is if your vote wasn’t there it would be really unclear what you were doing. And as for olive branch, I’m not being a dick am I? You are not being a dick for the record- not even dick adjacent- | ||
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- he is lynchbait in the past ((although trfel disproved that somewhat) - alpha is scummy and is pushing a mislyynch - ??? Doesn't really outweigh the substantively scummy things he has done. | ||
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On June 08 2024 18:28 Mocsta wrote: None of those apply to me Ignoring mason neighbour thing since he has since fully dropped it Rest of filter looks like active hunting to me I don't care he buddies to me. As town or Mafia it fits how the thread has shaped. I think he pulled up some interesting posts. He has no such limited cred can't start a wagon either so that's pretty much max output he can do as a townie. Would he do that as mafia? I genuinely don't think so. Can you post some hunting he is doing that isn't refrencing me (cause to me that Is a point against him) just curious what you consider active hunting. | ||
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On June 08 2024 17:23 Mocsta wrote: I want to see how diemeatballs responds to az voting vivax Dmb filter is small and concise yet I find I have to really concentrate to not gloss over it.. it's like there is a focus/permission to concentrate on vivax and by extension oats and rest is playful interaction with no purpose that I can identify. May also fit into theory of not wanting to mason although that's not an argument as very hypothetical. Does dmb fit into town meta? I really can't be armed to dig through past games. Which then also is a point of curiosity that dmb made a big deal to requests Scotts past game history.. a glimpse of active and productive townie yet rest of filter doesn't align with that gusto | ||
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Nothing here makes her mafia imo | ||
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On June 08 2024 18:28 Mocsta wrote: None of those apply to me Ignoring mason neighbour thing since he has since fully dropped it Rest of filter looks like active hunting to me I don't care he buddies to me. As town or Mafia it fits how the thread has shaped. I think he pulled up some interesting posts. He has no such limited cred can't start a wagon either so that's pretty much max output he can do as a townie. Would he do that as mafia? I genuinely don't think so. | ||
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This post is sus- how can you just ignore the points against him? It's like you aren't trying to discern what that means for his alignment. Even Ignoring his opening, his case against me was objectively scummy- Then you call his scumhunting a strong point. It's mind boggling stuff. | ||
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On June 08 2024 18:34 Mocsta wrote: I can accept that on basis of being in poe. As it doesn't make her town either So what's your point? You agree with me that she is null. And we had to track back here why? | ||
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On June 08 2024 18:33 Mocsta wrote: all can. It's a personality driven thing my dude | ||
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Lol, my man 😆 | ||
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On June 08 2024 19:15 Mocsta wrote: scott knows about mason, and is unsure about whisperer mechanic people are conflating that in my mind.. like. i personally dont care about mason/whisperer differences, yet i dont see why someone else cannot care.. yeah its a weird post for town. i have never denied that.. BUT its early game and its not like he stood by that as activity so i dont view it scummy as a filter i dont know what else to say p.s. sorry to absolutely cripple you in pain but this post makes me feel most positive about you; enough that i would take you out of my mayor lynch category and back into normal lynch. some used to refer to my town game as "moc-logic" and you just stumbled into it What about the post is meaningful for determining my alignment. What part can only come from mafia? | ||
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- it seems to me like he is drawing conclusions and then making really terrible justifications for them rather than acting with a curious and open mind to determine alignments - it seems to me he is cautious and almost apologetic when pushing me, despite being his 2nd? Largest scum read. Tracks as mafia lynching town, not as town who thinks they have got a lead on mafia. - his reasoning and justifications are awful and nonsensical. the problem I am having is I do t know why he would play like this as either alignment. - option 1 he is tying himself up into knots because he is pushing mafia agenda -option 2 he is town and he legitimately thinks these things. I view option 1 more likely through my lens of how the game should be played, and what is reasonable to expect from town and mafia. It seems trfel thinks the other option would be more likely. I’d just like to get some more thoughts itt about this. | ||
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On June 08 2024 19:56 Trfel wrote: AlphaZero, honestly I get the impression you are ignoring me. Which isn't the worst thing in the world, but I would at least like to clarify if it's because you think I am mafia or because you think I am not being productive or what. Honestly I’m not ignoring you intentionally. I’m reading and considering about your posts. I don’t really agree with some of your conclusions, but I don’t want to stop you from doing your thing, or get bogged down in arguing about it. Did I miss a question you asked me? I’m just using the little time I have to follow my own lines of inquiry. | ||
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On June 08 2024 20:06 Trfel wrote: Fair enough. Also if you have limited time then by all means focus on what stands out to you. If your time wasn't limited I was wondering about your Oatsmaster read, since you seem very convinced he is town and as I described, it's hard for me to see that right now. Vibe and meta. Last game he was obvious mafia.Game before that was a massive outlier. And honestly I just like his posting. I can’t point to something and prove that he is town, But it just seemed really obvious to me at some point. Obviously that’s probably not helpful for your read on oats. But I’m certainly not the only player who feels that way about oats this game, so I guess maybe you could suspend disbelief for the rest of the phase? | ||
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On June 08 2024 20:14 Trfel wrote: Fair. I could absolutely be wrong on Mocsta, I'm happy to discuss this. Admittedly I haven't found a ton of reason to suspect Mocsta, but I could be missing things. Like, Mocsta's thought processes are very, very different from mine. To the point where some of what he says just doesn't make much sense to me. I don't think this is scummy, my interpretation is that he just sees things differently than I do. I can try and look through his filter. There is a ton of info to draw from in order to have a more substantive conclusion than this one. | ||
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On June 08 2024 20:26 Oatsmaster wrote: I’m coming around to what Marv thinks about mocsta Not sure why it’s taken you this long. Keep up. | ||
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On June 08 2024 20:07 marvellosity wrote: My bones are telling me there’s a mafia in rsoul/rayn If this is the case Rso is an order of magnitude more likely than Rayn in a Scott/mocsta/ xxx world | ||
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On June 08 2024 20:33 marvellosity wrote: Not doing the pre-flip thing as unbelievably I’m not arrogant enough to think I’m right about everything on d1 :p Just my game sense telling me that. You can add slam in there too somewhere I think. | ||
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On June 08 2024 20:36 Trfel wrote: What? Where does this come from? I mean my view is that Mocsta is likely town. I'm trying to be open to the possibility that I am wrong, would you rather I refuse to re-evaluate?! No, I just want clarity on your reasons I guess. Because for whatever reason they are not clear to me. | ||
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On June 08 2024 20:39 Trfel wrote: Raynpelikoneet, rsoultin, sandroba, maybe even AlphaZero? And sure, Mocsta said it was a mistake, but I disagree  I think it's more likely that his perspective changed, causing him to interpret the same posts in a different way. I mean if you want to call that a mistake then sure, I wouldn't say that though. Hmm. After this post I think you are biased/closed minded with this one (despite you seemingly wanting to consider other perspectives) Presuming you are town I think you should try to genuinely reset yourself and look at it from the other perspective. | ||
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You are retracting the mistake? | ||
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On June 08 2024 20:45 rsoultin wrote: Meh i think az is prob just town and rubbing me the wrong way pfft Too collaborative with everyone despite us fundamentally disagreeing on shit Why do you sound disappointed by that? | ||
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On June 08 2024 20:47 Mocsta wrote: its the heuristic about 'moc-logic'. i really dont expect you to get it cos of the history aspect. its ummm.. the utter confusion which you later articulate in your "case" on me, about too bad to be town, yet too bad to be mafia. in the past, only town have been willing to consider what it means, so its a noteworthy thing to me when you talk about what can only come from mafia, i'm going to assume you mean something i wrote in that response could only be from mafia? in that case, you are wrong by default. if i hazard a guess its that i took you from mayor lynch to normal lynch? Right now. What do you think my alignment is? | ||
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On June 08 2024 20:52 rsoultin wrote: Cause now i have to try and convince someone objectively scummy =/= scum and thats exhausting Yes yes, everyone knows that. | ||
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On June 08 2024 21:01 rsoultin wrote: Yet thats how i perceive your scott case I also find it genuinely mindboggling how anyone is hard townreading sandy like you and marv are and yet i think you're town so pfft What makes you think my case is on scummy town rather than scum? Determining this seems purely subjective and is also kind of the point of the game . I don’t see the purpose of this post except to undermine my case on Scott, despite it being framed as needing to “explain” something to me. You can not agree, but you haven’t actually offered much in the realm of proactivity in pushing another read.. I don’t really understand the hard defense of Scott as your direction over offering something better than I have offered. | ||
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That make sense trfel?? | ||
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Which is why it’s so frustrating that people are defending him instead of trying to find the other mafia. | ||
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On June 08 2024 21:18 Trfel wrote: Yes and no, I understand that this is your perspective, but I disagree that doing so makes sense In my opinion this is the towniest game I've ever seen scott31337 play. I'm just not very inclined to lynch him in it tbh. What do you propose then trfel? Kelsier lynch? It’s almost policy at this point. | ||
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It’s not just him. | ||
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On June 08 2024 21:24 Trfel wrote: Yes, I've made it pretty clear that I want to lynch Kelsi3r. I don't think any other lynch is anywhere near as good. I don't think it's policy at all, honestly to me it looks most like either: 1 - he got bullied out of the thread or 2 - he got caught and lost motivation to post Obviously I think it's the latter, though if there is reasoning for the former I am willing to reconsider. Policy is lynching someone for activity or something like that. Kelsi3r was around, walked himself into a hole, got caught, and THEN stopped posting. Very, very different. I don’t think the last part is what happened. I think it’s policy. | ||
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Sandroba needs to do things cause I’m getting antsy. Rso is right about that. | ||
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On June 08 2024 21:33 Oatsmaster wrote: He’s just not here though. When he’s here the posting is good from what I’ve rwad True, but ‘not here’ tends to be alignment indicative more often than not. | ||
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On June 08 2024 21:41 Vivax wrote: His previous read on rsoultin was that he reverted to neutral but when he votes Kelsier it‘s because he expected him to easily see what made her scum after he stopped scumreading her. That‘s not only scummy in itself but implies also rsoultin or Kelsier as teammates if Mocsta is. But that‘s associative so meh. Since when do you shy away from associative reads . That’s like your bag, your house and your 401k | ||
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On June 09 2024 08:13 rsoultin wrote: i'd argue the slam lynch tells us nothing if he's scum? i don't hate it but i also don't think you're going to learn much from it whereas people have taken stances on sandy throughout the game same with kelsier and scott like even if we mislynch that's way more information because we were all talking about them to some extent than lynching the absent person. you mentioned the self-conscious thing before are there like specific games you're getting that from (sorry if i missed that part) This is terrible reasoning. Let’s not lynch scum because it tells us nothing. You would take that every time day one given the chance. | ||
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On June 09 2024 08:30 rsoultin wrote: mmm i mean i'll acknowledge i could just be very tunneled on sandy, but i consider that y'all's fault for giving me so many people to townread xP i'm assuming you mean the posts about scott and me? i don't actually think there's much of any post that can't be made by scum as long as it's a normal thought for them to have as a player about what makes scum and town play when it comes to reasoning out a read? just think objectively what's scummy? you know? i guess that's why i look for people seeing things others haven't and bringing it to their attention though you could argue that's what sandy did when saying my read on him was contrived lolol 🚩🚩🚩 | ||
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On June 08 2024 08:49 AlphaZero wrote: Scott not considering the game state with my vivax read and what it means about my alignment is the second scummiest thing that happened this game. The first being Scott’s opening posts. Town circle activate! This is still relevant. His scum reads have no foundation and he can’t really explain how they formed. That is objectively a mafia trait. | ||
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On June 09 2024 08:33 Vivax wrote: And do you think he‘s scum? Hard to say for me with the low input. Rayn seemed to think he was town. I’m not commenting on that. I’m commenting on the reasoning which was off. | ||
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On June 09 2024 08:32 rsoultin wrote: -_- all things being equal all things being equal all things being equal two scumreads of equal weight two null reads of equal weight one everyone's had to take stances on one barely mentioned i'd favor the first that's my point yes, obviously, i prefer a damn scum lynch to a mislynch that's why i won't lynch into my townreads -_- You have too many town reads though. It’s making me nervous honestly . | ||
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I thoroughly advocate for a Scott lynch still, but if Kelsey dies I won’t be too sad about it, they could both be mafia for all I know. I don’t think Scot’s reasoning really holds up at all to any pressure and the argument that is keeping him alive is that he is trying and posting. | ||
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On June 09 2024 08:40 rsoultin wrote: fine, be nervous. assume i have too many townreads cause i'm scum and know they're town and not because i'm trying to narrow down who i want to lynch when i have 5 out of 13 i'll join a wagon on if i'm right and you're town you'll know it's genuine later idc if you think i'm bad for the way i play It’s more that you are town reading people for reasons I can’t empathise with. And it’s happening too often. Just a little tmi. It’s possible you just have a gift at town reading scummy players. Or you are town reading people too quickly incorrectly. | ||
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On June 09 2024 08:41 die_meatbaby wrote: Tbr i would like to lynch az. Also I hate the first lynch after it it always gets easier. Most of the time lynch 1 is misslynch anway. I am stucking at work with a group of austrian mafia, good that tomorrow they are gone. Scott i don't really townread you but for now I don't want to lynch, I rather take K who is more inactiv and I think it would be a more logical lynch. I am really sorry for beeing this inactiv today. Tomorrow I will be here ##vote k Like what is this that keeps happening?? Why are people just removing Scott as a confidante like this. | ||
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On June 09 2024 08:43 Mocsta wrote: i am warming up to this like i have struggled every single time i have read this post below Yeah that’s the post I originally picked up on that caused me and Marv to vote for him. | ||
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On June 09 2024 08:44 Vivax wrote: Townie post :-) Az and Oats just dropped a lot in my book. But that‘s for another day Love is blind I guess. | ||
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Mafia are voting for Kelsier here almost certainly. | ||
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Even if he is mafia it still doesn’t work | ||
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On June 09 2024 08:59 Mocsta wrote: salient notion alphazero - where does that sit with you? Well he is trying to survive, to me he just continues to exhibit the traits that o find scummy and I outlined above. Says things and can’t provide foundations or reasoning that can really be taken seriously. We can even contrast that with your own play, you have looked substantially more town aligned the more you interacted and explained thought processes and your reads have changed and grown as that has happened. Scott’s reads haven’t changed and he hasn’t looked any better. That is classic mafia trait imo. | ||
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That’s why it doesn’t work. Why aren’t they posting to save their scum buddy who has been the leading lynch candidate all game. You think mafia are content to afk while they lose their partner? I think not. | ||
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Explain where the mafia are voting right now if kelsier is mafia? You think they are bussing day one? | ||
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On June 09 2024 09:08 Oatsmaster wrote: My brother in Christ I followed you onto rayn Explain why Kelsier is mafia and Scott is not? | ||
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I’m not saying it does explicitly. I think the wagonomics make the percentages worse. | ||
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On June 09 2024 09:10 scott31337 wrote: There's only two other mafia if you are one of them. If Keis1er is one of them, there's only one other you can control and chat with. Yes but I’m town. And anyone with half a brain who is also town can see that. | ||
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On June 09 2024 09:10 rsoultin wrote: you say this like mafia never buss an afk partner on d1. i'm pretty sure i have and i can't be the only one ever in existence Sure they could but it would be dumb, if we say Scott is town and there is a completely viable mislynch that az can take the flak for. | ||
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Yet you never voted for Scott and said he was not mafia. Please explain. | ||
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On June 09 2024 09:14 Vivax wrote: The point is that aside from his list, he hasn‘t posted anything that would look like sudden forced effort. I got the opposite vibe from az as of late. You fail to understand the difference in context . I only need to make an effort because I I care about the lynch. | ||
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At least Mocsta is still thinking about things. | ||
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On June 09 2024 09:19 scott31337 wrote: I favor Oats more than the last magical time you are making up. That's a change of read. Rsoul is a little higher on my list as well. Trfel isn't going to change much today unless he does something stupid. What's there to change on DMB,sandroba, and Alakaslam? They haven't posted. Marv isn't coming back tonight from his word. Kelsi3r - nuff said Mocsta - I still town read him even if he gets junk from other people. Is still thinking reasonable, unlike yourself. Vivax - I wouldn't lynch today either. Dmb literally said she wants to vote your top scum read. That doesn’t change things for you. Nothing actually changed lol. You just saying it kind of has. | ||
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On June 09 2024 09:21 Vivax wrote: In my opinion you pulled off the leader card very effectively in the beginning but you're losing steam. I don*t necessarily think you're paired with Kelsier even moreso if the dichotomy Scott-Kels is TvT, then you have all the more reason to drop off over time as neither outcome affects your survival if that's the case. What stuck out to me is your indifference towards absent players when your self proclaimed interest into finding the correct lynch requires their presence. What do you want me to do about that. I’m not into lynching a lurker day one. | ||
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On June 09 2024 09:28 rsoultin wrote: ... okay i'm tryna follow your logic. you're saying you think scum would want to paint you in a bad light so they'd all pile onto your scott lynch if he's town and kelsier is scum and then push you as the main proponent of the scott lynch when he flips town, is that what you're getting at? Exactly so. | ||
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Already talked about it. Fell on deaf ears for the most part | ||
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On June 09 2024 10:48 Vivax wrote: Especially if they act like they have experience in leadership and know how to be assertive to achieve the outcome they want to see. People like that don‘t get distracted. I’m distracted by real life . I am smurfing cause I wanted to be low effort and still be able to play. I explained why Scott is the best lynch. It’s also on the other townies to come to that realisation like Mocsta and you did. | ||
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On June 09 2024 10:54 Mocsta wrote: not being a dick. i find it unlikely. half the problem is that half the game is afk if full town was here, yeah, agree Dunno I’m pretty good at getting my way | ||
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On June 09 2024 11:00 scott31337 wrote:  Gross | ||
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On June 09 2024 11:07 scott31337 wrote: Dangit I still want AZ or Sandroba for tomorrow Marv/Rayn wild card Vig this man. | ||
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On June 09 2024 11:14 marvellosity wrote: Not a very surprising flip. I will try to flip my reads tomorrow. Something is broken. I don’t know about Scott tbh. Was I just on the other lynch bait wagon? I don’t think so. I think mafia lynched the town wagon. Explains why I couldn’t get any traction and the weird votes without explanation on kels. | ||
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Rayn, yours, dmb | ||
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On June 09 2024 17:13 Koshi wrote: Ah this. Because most of the time people who see scumslips are town. That’s really weak. | ||
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On June 09 2024 17:26 marvellosity wrote: Not hugely confident on the oats read, but I think if this was his 95th mafia game in a row he’d be less… Maybe just less. The reason I’m reconsidering oats is that it’s all surface level. Like he is probing and poking stuff. But really he ended up on the really shitty kelsier lynch and didn’t do anything with the poking and prodding. I started to get worried it’s performative. Because to me at least it lead to a very underwhelming. Maybe I’m being pocketed but I think Mocsta looked very town latter part of the phase. I think the people who didn’t really consider Scott and who just defaulted to kelsier are worth looking at. As is sandroba to be honest. I know that you probably don’t like to hear that as you have this kind of ‘good player’ mutual respect thing going on. But he is someone who is a priority shot day one in previous games. Something has changed here. | ||
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On June 09 2024 17:34 marvellosity wrote: My own ‘tinfoil’ theory here is Koshi is mafia and all this play is designed to create distance between him and Mocsta. As I think his interpretation of my play around Mocsta makes zero sense, so that’s the logical reason he’s pushing that angle. That’s… not an approach I would expect from you honestly. Why would koshi do this as mafia? What benefit is there. I have definitely seen him do this as town as well, and it’s night. So there is that. | ||
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On June 09 2024 17:40 marvellosity wrote: I will mull your oats point Like not just oats though that wagon was obviously shot just by the economics of it. And I pointed it out and no one cared. There was some kind of inertia with kels as the chosen ml. Let’s say sand is town. Then there are three strong players on the Scott wagon, and they are all town. And there is zero traction. That means mafia wanted to lynch kels. If so, why is that? | ||
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On June 09 2024 17:47 AlphaZero wrote: Like not just oats though that wagon was obviously shot just by the economics of it. And I pointed it out and no one cared. There was some kind of inertia with kels as the chosen ml. Let’s say sand is town. Then there are three strong players on the Scott wagon, and they are all town. And there is zero traction. That means mafia wanted to lynch kels. If so, why is that? Shit. Obviously shit. | ||
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On June 09 2024 17:47 AlphaZero wrote: Like not just oats though that wagon was obviously shot just by the economics of it. And I pointed it out and no one cared. There was some kind of inertia with kels as the chosen ml. Let’s say sand is town. Then there are three strong players on the Scott wagon, and they are all town. And there is zero traction. That means mafia wanted to lynch kels. If so, why is that? Or mafia wanted Scott alive. If he is mafia it’s self evident . If he is town why is that the case? | ||
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On June 09 2024 17:50 marvellosity wrote: This hilariously reads like you are totally sassing your own post It’s all for content | ||
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Like trfel is leading the town, but he is all waffle, lead a terrible lynxh and imo hard defended mafia this game. It’s infuriating to take a step back into that shit. | ||
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On June 09 2024 17:52 marvellosity wrote: I cared but didn’t really know what I was supposed to do about it Yea, me neither. What does that mean Marv? | ||
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It means there was mafia agenda at play imo | ||
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On June 09 2024 17:54 marvellosity wrote: It wasn’t a terrible lynch in fairness. I imagine you might die tonight, assuming you’re town. Yes it was, it was from the moment the wagon played out the way it did at the last hour. And before that it was a fucking coin flip. | ||
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On June 09 2024 17:54 marvellosity wrote: It wasn’t a terrible lynch in fairness. I imagine you might die tonight, assuming you’re town. It is what it is. | ||
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On June 09 2024 17:57 marvellosity wrote: I’m also aware this post is a giant walking contradiction, but here we are. Well if you think Scott is town then you need to look at me and sand more closely. Because splitting the wagons makes much more sense | ||
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Even for bad players that’s not a normal response as town. | ||
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On June 09 2024 18:03 marvellosity wrote: The problem is I can’t see sand’s posts as scummy as I don’t think they are. I think investment/activity is a better metric for sand than for most, so it will have to be that basis i proceed on I am sort of just assuming you’re DP, in all honesty. Which actually makes it more likely you can be mafia here. But it’s hard to see or explore that when you’re invested and you think things that I think 🤷♂️ I already said I’m not DP. | ||
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On June 09 2024 18:03 marvellosity wrote: The problem is I can’t see sand’s posts as scummy as I don’t think they are. I think investment/activity is a better metric for sand than for most, so it will have to be that basis i proceed on I am sort of just assuming you’re DP, in all honesty. Which actually makes it more likely you can be mafia here. But it’s hard to see or explore that when you’re invested and you think things that I think 🤷♂️ This first part is right at least. | ||
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On June 09 2024 18:05 marvellosity wrote: Then you are less likely to be mafia then I think you overrate dp | ||
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On June 09 2024 19:44 Oatsmaster wrote: Alpha, why would 3 strong players on someone mean they are mafia? Those 3 strong players aren’t confirmed town either Not what I said or what I mean. Don't be dense. | ||
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On June 09 2024 20:52 marvellosity wrote: In that world, does DMB know it was tvt? Her reason for tr Scott was weak Yeah I pinged on that too. | ||
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She did it a few times actually. Like was weird about not wanting to lynch Scott. | ||
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On June 09 2024 21:05 marvellosity wrote: Slams filter is such trash. I don’t know what that actually means but it’s just … I said earlier in the game I didn’t believe in rayn/slam mafia but tbh there’s literally no reason why not really at this stage Too easy though. | ||
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[QUOTE]On June 09 2024 22:14 marvellosity wrote: Stop with the compliments already x[/QUOTE]Dang, if not being an idiot is a compliment, you must not have as big of an ego as I thought  If anyone has a moment, curious if my perspective on scott31337 not re-evaluating his reads makes sense to anyone else? While it makes a lot of sense to me, if I'm wrong about this, it would be good to figure that out.[/QUOTE] Its so bad its making me consider if you could be mafia, despite your engagement levels. | ||
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He is not able to get a town read that strong, its really off-putting. | ||
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On June 09 2024 22:26 Trfel wrote: I know self meta is stupid but of all the games for me to be mafia in, why the one where I stopped following my post count limits? Like if you have an actual reason for me being mafia, other than just because I pushed something opposite to how you view the game, I'm quite curious. See above. Im not saying you are mafia, I am saying you are fucking weird and make no sense with the scott defense. | ||
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On June 09 2024 22:27 marvellosity wrote: Low He just seems incredibly interested and thinking about the game a lot. And from different perspectives too. If Trfel is mafia he’s pocketed me completely He is not really doing this beyond face value. He still wanted to lynch kels and save scott, despite good reasons to not want that. | ||
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when has he changed anything substantial based on considering another perspective? | ||
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On June 09 2024 22:28 Trfel wrote: Oh, sure. I didn't mean to say that it makes scott31337 town, my point is that if you were to construct a town mindset for scott31337's play, sticking to his reads is very natural imo. And thus I don't think it's a good reason to suspect him. Basically the conclusion is "this argument isn't very good" instead of "this makes scott31337 town." The problem is not that he is making bad arguments that has never been the problem. You guys are fucking reductionist paraphrasing to the point of losing the essence of the original issue. Then you come up with this nonsense about bad arguments can come from town. No shit. That is not why he is mafia. He is mafia because he doesn’t show evidence of Thinking and read progression that is essential to find and catch scum in a game of hidden information. I am going to trust Marv that you are town. But I also think you are being actively harmful to town progress at this point so can you please put as much effort into finding some mafia as you do defending mafia. | ||
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On June 09 2024 21:19 marvellosity wrote: Trfel AZ Vivax Oats Sand Mocsta Scott DMB Koshi Rayn Slam Let’s say this is a very rough order because beyond near the top a lot can move about. And it doesn’t even really mean I think slam is most likely to be mafia either. I just didn’t know where else to put him. Who do you guys reckon I’ve got quite a lot wrong? Koshi too low. Scott and sand too high. You could put Mocsta above oats maybe too | ||
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On June 09 2024 22:40 marvellosity wrote: To paraphrase something I said about my own read on Scott. Are your expectations of him wrong? No because my expectations are something that must exist for town to be able to play this game. And he has continued to show that he does not possess those traits. | ||
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On June 09 2024 22:43 Oatsmaster wrote: Curious on your thoughts on Rayn, anything stick out specifically? He is not playing the game. What you want me to say? He’s probably mafia because he asked for the mason chat at the start of the game and then went afk for most of the phase. | ||
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On June 09 2024 22:43 AlphaZero wrote: No because my expectations are something that must exist for town to be able to play this game. And he has continued to show that he does not possess those traits. Further the essence of this problem makes it so that the bullshit lynch bait arguments need not apply to the fucking position. | ||
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On June 09 2024 23:32 Oatsmaster wrote: This is just mafia yes? She has an entire day she hasn’t read and she is coming in here complaining about 3 players outta the 11 remaining not posting, curiously the same complaint as az and marv Yeah the level of outrage doesn’t really match her lack of investment to this point. Also there is plenty to comment on. Not buying what she is selling | ||
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On June 10 2024 01:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also i don't think AZ is actually that townie as he "looks", if that makes sense to anyone. Is this based on you not reading the game? 😝 | ||
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This game would be such an outlier from his previous mafia game. It’s possible Marv is mafia and is faking a level of engagement and enjoyment not seen previously. It would be great to see him on that level again honestly. But it’s not the first conclusion I would make on this game state without even reading the whole thread. And the reasons for calling Marv mafia are just so underwhelming. | ||
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Just sloppy stuff alll around. What does it mean?? | ||
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On June 10 2024 02:29 Koshi wrote: Just kill sandroba mocsta and then figure out the rest. Marv is talking way too much. Maybe third is dmb or so. I havent read anything from ger. You dropping marv just like that? | ||
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On June 10 2024 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because i like to talk with someone in private. I know where youre getting at, not a good point. I'd know that a mafia and it would be a bad thing for me. If you think i am lying about my responsibilities and time constraints outside the game just say so. Thats a valid case, unfortunately wrong, but i cant do anything about it if peoplechoose to believe you. I do t think you are lying about your time constraints. I do think you couldn’t help yourself to play more so if you are town than as mafia. I do think it’s odd that you asked to mason when you didn’t have time to do anything with it. Makes me think asking was performative. | ||
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On June 10 2024 02:44 marvellosity wrote: Don’t know yet, he’s failing to draw any conclusions as of yet Well we can agree at least that he isn’t partnered with koshi right? Because this would be a massive coordination failure if they were partnered. | ||
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On June 10 2024 02:46 scott31337 wrote: Sand is way too high AZ is WAY TOO high Koshi is way too low Otherwise it's reasonable lol Hey Scott. Why am I mafia? | ||
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On June 10 2024 02:48 marvellosity wrote: An afk player and a replacement fail to coordinate having not been around at the same time? Not agreeing to shit yet Come on now. You know they would be talking in the mafia chat about pushes etc There is no way they are partnered here. | ||
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On June 10 2024 02:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: You are clearly capable of making very well thought-out posts and being very reasonable. That makes you townread for most of the people. I am not sure if that's the whole story. I mean if i only read your posts yeah, you're the towniest person in the game hands down, because your posts are rational, well thought out, and they make sense. I don't always consider those townie traits, especially how the D1 ended. If i am fully clear, if you and marvellosity both are town and wanted to lynch scott, i fail to see how you failed in that. Take that as you want, but my opinion is that prolly at least one of you is mafia and you really didnt go "all in" with the lynch, as an active around townie should, if they felt strongly about it. Now marv has already countered my argument with "look at my filter" -> i did, it didnt look like he actually argued about scutt lynch -> then he said basically the same after.. So like my initial argument is wrong? When he debunked it himself???? I have yet to see what you did. Didn't get that far already. Well I find that odd as well to be honest. But basically there are the following reasons. 1.) trfel and rso both hard defended Scott all of day one and they both had some level of thread control together. More so than myself and Marv even. 2.) there were a lot of afk players. 3.) at least for me, this was supposed to be an account for low effort playing the game because I also have time constraints. Not lynching Scott has been so frustrating that it has single handily caused me to try much harder than I planned too. If you haven’t read my posts from that time why can you draw the conclusion about the fact I didn’t lynch my prime suspect? It’s completely backwards. | ||
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On June 10 2024 02:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: I guess it can be seen as backwards. I just do what i do and post what i post, if you have a problem with it call me mafia. That's what i get though from D1 outcome.Have you read through that part of the game yet? Has that changed anything for you? | ||
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How can this reasonate with you? You think I am obvious mafia apparently? How can you think I look townie. Also just make a quick case on any reason that I am mafia please. Cause from what I understand there are none except I changed my vivax read after 20 hours. | ||
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On June 10 2024 03:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: see this is one thing i hate about these games. i am NEVER inactive just because... i have played over 200 games i think, and ONCE i have intentionally afk'd for any time i consider could be used for playing. Why do people still think, especially for me, that inactivity is an alignment factor? Because you probably can’t help yourself to play when you shouldn’t as town and less so as mafia. And then people notice it and boil it down to an ‘activity’ metric which is an overly simple way of talking about it. I know you play and post as both alignments. I also have the impression that you ‘check in’ less as mafia. So I resonate with others who feel the same way. | ||
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On June 10 2024 03:11 marvellosity wrote: Scott is annoying me last 24h. So maybe town 🙄 Wrong and bad my friend. Notice he is avoiding explaining his scum read on me. Nothing town about that . The suspicion on you was opportunistic too. Also not townie. | ||
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I asked this 30 minutes ago. Got ignored. Presumably as town with lots of players active he would want to try and share something about his top scum read of the whole game? | ||
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On June 10 2024 03:16 marvellosity wrote: He’s also ignored me twice with he same question I asked him. But is being obtuse a mafia trait? See: kelsier God fucking dammit did you catch the same fucking disease trfel has. Because he can’t answer because it’s not really a read. Fml. | ||
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On June 10 2024 03:19 scott31337 wrote: Alpha you will get your case before end of night I don't need to give you any more ammo/info on your NK I'm 95% sure who you are going to anyway wtf?!?!! Just say like the one reason. Is it going to take you all night to think of it??? | ||
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On June 10 2024 03:27 Alakaslam wrote: And you apparently feel someone needs protection, if so then what gives? If you know it as town they already know it Good post. | ||
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When invited to give any reason at all for his biggest scum read of the game Scott didn’t answer and said some bs about the nk that makes no sense. Then left the thread. He did this because there is no genuine thought process behind his reads. So he couldnt answer and deflected instead. This is not a bad argument or lynch bait thing. This is something that comes from mafia. | ||
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On June 10 2024 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: aside from scott, do you think this has an impact for other people? because youre prolly gonna get shot if youre right. I Think you need to unravel the day one Lynch if you are town and I die. There was a very strange resistance to Scot’s lynch which felt like mafia agenda at work. Could be koshi, could be oats, trfel I’m not sure his play is soo sooo different this game. He is really active but not really scumhunting imo. Not an easy game. | ||
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On June 10 2024 03:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont think Oats is mafia. Trfel, maybe? But no? Trfel is making posts why i could be mafia, i dont think he could fake that as well as he is posting about me, if he was mafia. I think it's healthy suspicion tbh, one that he would not go into as mafia. rsoultin (koshi)... idk tbh, rsoultin looked really townie, koshi does not at all. possible? You can see now, how my opinion of the D1 events turned immediately into you and marv? I still don't know if i am right, or not, but like... it is weird as fuck to me that scott didn't get lynched. If he is mafia, then someone surely did something. If he is town, then idk why any of this matters. Currently i am on board with you of him being mafia. It could be as simple as the people with the thread control were hard defending him, they happened to be town and then mafia didn’t need to do any work. | ||
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On June 10 2024 03:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: who defended Kelsier? Also who were inactive other than me? Defended Scott. Around deadline it didn’t seem like anyone was around except Mocsta marv and rso from memory. Mocsta swapped. Two defended Scott all day with trfel. Vivax equivocated. | ||
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Yes there is Marv. You yourself said that it was alignment indicative. | ||
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On June 10 2024 04:01 Koshi wrote: marv. After the game. Please remember to tell me why you would scumread me so hard over Mocsta and sandroba. It’s cause you called him mafia for bad reasons. | ||
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On June 10 2024 04:04 marvellosity wrote: So why are you asking me? Obviously he just looks worse the longer he doesn’t post. But clearly I can’t say anything else apart from that Because I dont understand why you would lynch koshi over Sandro here. | ||
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And it’s vivax, dmb, Scott or something like that. | ||
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On June 10 2024 04:11 AlphaZero wrote: Maybe this game is really simple: And it’s vivax, dmb, Scott or something like that. Replace one with Sandro maybe. | ||
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On June 10 2024 04:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: ugh... now you are making me iffy on marv again. is this on purpose? At least the last point is useless. What convinced you here? | ||
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Vivax not paranoid enough this game of the people with thread control: Also his dmb town read is weak. | ||
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On June 10 2024 04:17 marvellosity wrote: There is this possibility. All the active players tear pieces off each other and the quiet mafia just lol Would be a horrible way to lose I have faith we will figure each other out: that’s what we have been doing this evening regardless. | ||
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On June 10 2024 04:33 marvellosity wrote: Explain your stuff already. I’m interested! It’s some dumb shit that Scott called out a scumslip. | ||
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On June 10 2024 04:40 Oatsmaster wrote: That’s literally a lynch bait thing how many games have you played? I thought you were convinced on scott | ||
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Scott took all night to fail to point out it, maybe you can do better? | ||
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On June 10 2024 08:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: AZ i dont think scott is mafia. We can talk about that if you want to. Sure. Why is he not. His case didn’t even have a shred of thinking regarding my alignment. It was confirmation bias searching for a justification. The Sandro part was particularly egregious. | ||
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On June 10 2024 08:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes i think it was awful. I however think it was a case made by a townie. Ok tell me why. Because to me, he has this scum read on me., he can’t explain why or how it came to be, and then when asked he had to disappear for hours and hours and then come back with something that doesn’t even cover the initial post that he calls me scum for. Unless you think it’s just because I have called him out and he is responding in kind. | ||
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On June 10 2024 08:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah i dont get that either, but then again it is vivax... But is it town vivax. By activity metrics it probably is. But dmb said one thing right. He hasn’t been paranoid in the way he normally should be. At least not enough. | ||
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On June 10 2024 08:44 Vivax wrote: Guess I‘m paranoid enough to get rid of this stupid argument that I‘m not paranoid enough then. What kind of person needs another to act crazy to be able to believe them ? No that’s not the same. And I don’t mean paranoid in the crazy sense. I mean “overly suspicious particularly of strong confident players, to a point slightly beyond it making common sense’ | ||
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On June 10 2024 08:47 Mocsta wrote: If you flipped scum.it would be like the great hood wink.. shoulda coulda woulda Your scum hunting insight is consistent to me But your communication delivery is inconsistent and falls into almost polite demanding at times - something I would like to be better at in real life btw. So kudos to you I am guessing that is leading people to be wary of the if you flipped scum thing Either that or mafia agenda to discredit obviously What’s inconsistent about my communication particularly? | ||
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On June 10 2024 08:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: kind of but no, because last game he was really really good and made a case on mafia... Ok well what is happening here then and why is it from town. | ||
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On June 10 2024 08:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: AZ idk what to say, i think scott is town, i cant explain it. If that's bad for me, fine. You were the one who wanted to talk about why he is town no? | ||
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On June 10 2024 08:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: AZ i dont think scott is mafia. We can talk about that if you want to. ? | ||
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But I’m going to one super pissed if I am right and all you bads defended him for no reason. | ||
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On June 10 2024 08:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes. I was expecting you giving me some sort of baseline. I already have. | ||
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You literally agreed with it when you first came into the thread. So what changed? | ||
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On June 10 2024 08:56 Vivax wrote: It‘s really irritating to mafia though. They‘ll be like ‚tell me why‘ and put on the backstreet boys because they don‘t know how to answer No it’s bad for town because mafia can say whatever and not be accountable. It should be policy lynch able in all honesty. | ||
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On June 10 2024 08:59 scott31337 wrote: Trfel- So what I was trying to say is that from AZ's perspective, I'm just going in order of my scum list (In his eyes, his townlist) just to get mislynch #1, #2, #3, GG etc. But I'm going after who I believe has the best chance of flipping mafia. And the second part is that AZ considers his mafia team town (I think I used the wrong word there, not scumreads) to protect them. Sandroba is a good example of such. You know I’m number 2 right. And Kelsier was town’. So already I know that is two townies. And that’s all I really mentioned in that post you quoted. | ||
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On June 10 2024 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: wait what are you actually concerned about AZ? With what? | ||
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On June 10 2024 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: wait what are you actually concerned about AZ? I want to know why you think Scott is town and what changed from you being on the same page as me In regards to him to you then town reading him and being suspicious of me. Cause it seemed it was just that vivax and koshi posted it and you sheeped them | ||
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On June 10 2024 09:03 scott31337 wrote: I'll have it in my EoN post. As I mentioned, I'm pretty sure mafia saw what I saw, but just in case they didn't, there's no need for me to help them. And how was this related to being answer why you thought I was mafia? | ||
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On June 10 2024 09:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: his case on p104, and i made up my mind on p105. You thought his case was bad? | ||
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On June 10 2024 09:46 Trfel wrote: Marvellosity or you 100% imo, town needs a leader. You have been leading. Keep it up. | ||
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On June 10 2024 10:06 Oatsmaster wrote: The first half is completely irrelevant. The point isn’t whether Scott is town or mafia, it’s if az and marv are town, why didn’t they get Scott lynched. With such a critical misunderstanding, it colors the whole post badly. Further more, it’s not really a thing to push people at night. Further further more, rayn was able to interact significantly with koshi/marv/az so saying that just because there’s no conclusion that Rayn is just interacting for interaction sake is just not correct I’m pretty sure Rayn scum hunts at night. I don’t agree that the other points aren’t valid. He is picking up on stuff that was bothering me at least | ||
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On June 10 2024 10:11 Oatsmaster wrote: Semantics, rayn clearly argued regardless of Scott’s alignment No he didn’t. | ||
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On June 10 2024 10:29 AlphaZero wrote: I still have no idea who oats thinks is mafia. I take it back he thinks dmb is mafia. Maybe that’s fine. | ||
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Yeah but that kind of felt like hyperbole to me. But fair point. | ||
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S tier: Marv, trfel. A tier: koshi Mocsta B tier: oats C tier: vivax, Rayn, slam F tier: Scott, Sandro, dmb, | ||
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It’s close but yeah | ||
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On June 10 2024 11:00 Grackaroni wrote: Day 2 ![[image loading]](https://i.gifer.com/RkLq.gif) marvellosity the Vanilla Town has been killed. Day 2 begins. The day ends on Wednesday, Jun 12 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in This is going to suck for me. | ||
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On June 10 2024 11:06 Vivax wrote: I‘ll see you on scott. What‘s better than being on mafia on D1? Being on mafia on D1 and D2. What do you think rayns alignment is? | ||
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On June 10 2024 11:09 Trfel wrote: AlphaZero, if you're still around, can you go for Vivax with me? Trust? Ok. | ||
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On June 10 2024 11:11 Vivax wrote: Town. He comes across as exhausted and was a bit repetitive with his questions but that‘s a point in his favour. I especially like his involvement with marv during the exhange between me and dmb. Looked like he was attempting a fair assessment. Why do you not believe him on Scott then? | ||
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On June 10 2024 11:27 Vivax wrote: Why should I ? Townreading rayn doesn‘t mean that I just copy his reads Doesn’t it make you pause though? And reconsider. Did you do that? I may have missed it. | ||
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On June 10 2024 11:30 die_meatbaby wrote: Az tell me who you are Why does it matter. It shouldn’t mean anything for my alignment or this game. | ||
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I think that’s really easy thing to do as mafia. So I disagree. | ||
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On June 10 2024 19:42 Koshi wrote: Vivax and rayn is really a good place to start today. Good job Tfrel. This is very good. It feels good. I thought you had Rayn as really townie? Why is that and what changed for you? | ||
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On June 10 2024 20:02 Trfel wrote: In all honesty I don't even get how this could possibly mean anything about scott31337? For example, I know I've dropped an end of night case on the person I was shooting before. Why would scott31337 not null-read marvellosity as mafia? Truly confused. @Mocsta, I don't ever think lynching for info is worth it tbh. I think we'd gain a lot less clarity than expected. You are right it means nothing. | ||
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On June 10 2024 20:13 Trfel wrote: AlphaZero, is scott31337 still your preferred lynch today? I'm curious if anyone else is worth considering from your perspective? I’m worried I’m tunnelled so I’m going to take a step back. I want to spend some time reviewing things when I get a chance. Not sure when that will be. I would probably lynch him if I had my way because then I am either visited or I can move on and clear my mind a bit. I’m trying to do that anyway as basically everyone except Alan and vivax are not interested in lynching him and that’s not great company to keep. I’d be interested In a Sandro, dmb or Rayn lynch right now. But I’m backing your play here and seeing how things develop | ||
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On June 10 2024 20:58 Mocsta wrote: Who is Alan? Slam. | ||
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On June 10 2024 21:11 Koshi wrote: I like how he plays this game. The recent things I dont like: 1) Uncommittal comments to marv about my townread on scott during night. I think rayn still scumreads scott and I dont like how he didn't try to convince marv or me during night and just played along. And then marv died. 2) there was 1 more real thing but I forgot. 3) When I like rayn he is often mafia. Rarely he is mafia when I hate his guts. So you think he could be mafia here is what you are kind of saying? | ||
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On June 11 2024 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Its not really obsession. I am just very vary of him because him and (now 100% town) marv didnt het scott lynched D1. They were the town leaders mostly during day, why didnt they get him lynched ifthey really tried? This is not a game where DP goes shennies onto some stupid lynch wen all euros are sleeping, thay had "all the tools", why didnt it happen? I think youre right on mocsta and sandroba. I already posted my case on sandroba. I think Mocsta writes a lot but i dont really remember anything he posts. Has anything he said ha any impact on anything? I dont know why Slam couldnt be mafia. Marv flipped town already. Why does not getting a lynch done in the face of overwhelming thread sentiment against said lynch mean anything for my alignment when it meant nothing for marvs? | ||
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On June 11 2024 05:36 Trfel wrote: Koshi: makes no sense. Tries to post fluidly but as the game state has been changing rapidly, he's shown an incongruous mindset. For example, he said I went from hero to zero. He thought I was doing great because I was pushing Vivax and raynpelikoneet. But Koshi himself stopped scumreading Vivax, before posting the hero to zero thing, and I don't even think he is that suspicious of raynpelikoneet. But he still said hero to zero. How can he still say that I was being a hero if he thinks I was pushing townies as mafia? That's very far from hero play? Die_meatbaby, Koshi, and raynpelikoneet are in a special tier of hyper suspicious people that make me wish we could triple lynch today  Agreed. I’m cooling off on the vivax lynxh tbh | ||
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On June 11 2024 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: I made the best case anyone has this game. Where? | ||
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On June 11 2024 06:49 Koshi wrote: Have you ever seen a mafia team openly pushing the same 2/3 names? Mocsta/Sandroba are on rayn, dmb and my list. Like forever. Rayn has AZ as third DMB Vivax Me slam. But our core is the same. Who are you referring to with - our? | ||
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On June 11 2024 07:09 Koshi wrote: Pretty sure marv would have always been on our side Pretty sure you are wrong | ||
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On June 11 2024 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's also very nice none of the people who are calling me scum cannot actually tell why i am scum. Because you haven’t established your innocence in a timeframe that is normal for you. But I’ll talk to you shortly on discord if you are around. | ||
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I think there is mafia in rayn/koshi. Not sure about both tho. can't give you a reason, they both just seem 'less' than there town games. With players of their calibre, i don't think there is going to be much to really hang your hat on. With koshi, there are more 'dumb' moments than smart. With rayn, i am just not that impressed by anything he has done, and usually I am. Not strong, I know. I think sandro looks good every time he posts, as did marv, he is not lynchable for now IMO he will self resolve as maf. Agree with the points RE: DMB. Trfel is the Vivax lynch still the best one in your opinion? | ||
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Yeah I saw he moved to DMB | ||
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so expect my activity to drop. | ||
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On June 11 2024 08:14 Vivax wrote: Wait you‘re just going to peace out after that ? Your activity might drop but not for the reason you expect if that is so. I don't really care if I get lynched, I have to prioritise work, that is the whole reason I smurfed. | ||
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On June 11 2024 08:49 Mocsta wrote: Az To confirm your considering a grouping of ((Rayn/koshi); scott: (dmb / altm lurker)? Im dropping scott for now, I think its pretty clear that I am missing something, because all my big town reads think he is town. (trfel/marv) I like oats as mafia if im being really open and honest. he seems to be flying under the radar a bit too much | ||
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On June 11 2024 08:20 Trfel wrote: Yeah I don't want to lynch Vivax. sounds good. | ||
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On June 11 2024 09:10 AlphaZero wrote: I don't really care if I get lynched, I have to prioritise work, that is the whole reason I smurfed. if you want me to replace out im also fine with that, I will meet the activity requirements and ill be keeping up with the thread, but im not posting 14 pages every day+night phase | ||
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On June 11 2024 09:12 AlphaZero wrote: Im dropping scott for now, I think its pretty clear that I am missing something, because all my big town reads think he is town. (trfel/marv) I like oats as mafia if im being really open and honest. he seems to be flying under the radar a bit too much all the mafia in Rayn/koshi/DMB/Oats If scott is mafia I will just feel vindicated post game and blame the loss on trfel and marv. | ||
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On June 11 2024 09:14 Vivax wrote: To me it‘s like the part I left out in AZ‘s post was just filler to make him not look like he‘s not caught up. Scummiest post in the thread right now. Textbook even. I just didn't see the vote thread bro. | ||
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On June 11 2024 09:15 Trfel wrote: I dunno, I'm a huge sucker for gambler's fallacy. its a fallacy for a reason. | ||
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On June 11 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote: cool Scott is looking better to me. Glad there is alignment there to not focus today on Scott. I still like the vivax lynch and there does appear to be resistance today from the bottom end of the group which to me is much different build up to kelsier. I will vote rayn if there is enough for majority Oats. I'm still giving a town pass today although he is progressively coming across to me as shitting the thread. I want to give benefit of the doubt he's as lost as me and is equally a provocative style player. I’d also lynch Rayn. Trfel what you think of a Rayn lynch? | ||
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On June 11 2024 09:23 Vivax wrote: Trfel was right we have to be more specific. What I‘m seeing from Mocsta and AZ right now reminds me of that and I can‘t even call them scum for it. I mean I think it‘s scummy but saying it would make me a hypocrite so I will hypocritically call it scummy. It’s an investment level thing. People think it’s scummy because low investment is correlated with scum. For me that ain’t true because. 1. I am smurfing to be low efforts 2. I’m clearly invested when I have time to be. 3. Self meta but investment isn’t alignment indicative for me. An example would be you calling me mafia for missing trfel read progression in the catchup. When in reality I was skimming while doing other things . | ||
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On June 11 2024 09:25 Trfel wrote: I'm willing to lynch die_meatbaby, raynpelikoneet, or Koshi. It's hard for me to figure out which lynch is best. I’m also fine with all that. But I’m relying on your analysis to be honest. That being said I’d prefer to try the harder lynches now while your still alive. | ||
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On June 11 2024 09:32 Vivax wrote: Well you said ‚keep up‘ in the beginning so I expect you to hold yourself to the same standards you impose on others. I thought Koshi acting so upset over Trfel allegedly faking a read he could push on his own made him mafia, and sandro thought so too. I‘d consider that a pivotal issue that you and mocsta are ignoring while just posting a series of names with brief but not very informative reasoning. I agree with the koshi thing. What more did you want me to say about it? | ||
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He either keeps up in activity and analysis or does not. He is famous for being low activity as mafia. Why is he mafia to you. I agreed with his takes pretty much all the time. | ||
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On June 11 2024 09:38 Vivax wrote: If you agree you think he is mafia and if you think he is mafia you adjust your other reads accordingly. There‘s a maybe 1% chance we‘re scum together for example, or sandro with him. I never really thought you were mafia though. I was voting with trfel cause he asked me too. That was more about trusting my trfel read over my read on you. | ||
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On June 11 2024 09:33 Trfel wrote: I am kinda giving up due to frustration and insanity. I can't figure out which lynch is best, and they're all coming off incredibly scummy. But it's unlikely they are all mafia, next to impossible, it's never ever so simple. Then there's the kicker that even if we figure it out we probably don't have the support. But oh well. That’s true. And I agree that it’s hard because there are too few obv townies. But I think that’s what points to Rayn koshi as mafia. Cause we know they are capable of being obv town, especially when they are playing together | ||
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It is, but he had a IRL excuse. If there is an increase in activity now I think its less clear. | ||
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He plays the next phase or two like the last two games he played. Or he doesn't | ||
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The Sandro wagon looks bad imo. | ||
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On June 11 2024 09:55 Oatsmaster wrote: I guarantee you he doesn’t In 2 phases it’s gonna be lylo assuming nothing funky happens and we continue to miss. Can you show me some good posts from Sandro? I’m assuming you don’t think the post I pointed out makes him scummy I assume that this is the question you want me to answer, I generally agree with his thinking and worldviews The post you quoted was weak I agree. I just want to give him some time because I think it will become more clear than this either way. And I think there are good alternatives. Like Rayn/koshi/dmb | ||
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On June 11 2024 11:13 Oatsmaster wrote: Also if Rayn and koshi are mafia they are playing horribly just fyi More likely to play horribly as mafia than town. Especially koshi. | ||
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On June 11 2024 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Did you forget this or do you want to walk this back I don’t think that contradicts anything | ||
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On June 11 2024 11:49 Oatsmaster wrote: Also I don’t know if you mean koshi playing horribly means he’s mafia because I mean mafia!koshi is playing a terrible game. He’s been fine as town Disagree. He is not smart and not obv town. Two red flags | ||
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Koshi usually has really insightful and smart moments as town. That means he is obv town even when asking to get lynched. This game he is being ‘not that’ | ||
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Which wagon are the mafia on now then, you think they bussing? | ||
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On June 11 2024 12:18 Oatsmaster wrote: So point out his takes that you agree with?? Mostly everything else. I don’t have time to point them out. But the fact I like his posts for the most part when he is around should be enough. | ||
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It’s pinging me because I generally share you perspective on things. | ||
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For you to decide on whatever it is you need to determine with this line of questioning assuming you are town | ||
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I don’t want to vote with koshi Rayn and dmb | ||
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On June 11 2024 13:04 Oatsmaster wrote: Okay get pinged I guess and we lose because you don’t want to work with town I’m working with trfel who is objectively the towniest player in the game. Why are you not working with town? | ||
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So why the faux desperation. Fucking weird. | ||
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On June 11 2024 13:21 Oatsmaster wrote: So you don’t see today as critically important to get correct? I’m sorry for you in that case I do. But from your perspective both wagons are mafia? So what gives? | ||
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On June 11 2024 13:25 Oatsmaster wrote: @az What’s going on in the whisper thread with rayn Nothing. Timezone diff. | ||
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On June 11 2024 13:43 Trfel wrote: And then...Also, can anyone possibly believe this?Can raynpelikoneet actually think that this:Is the best case in the game? All very valid. | ||
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So give me a list post? | ||
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On June 11 2024 14:05 Trfel wrote: Do you think we have the numbers? No. | ||
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Come on now. You KNOW that mafia mason players for a reason. He himself stated that he would mason particular players he thinks he could trick. | ||
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On June 11 2024 14:09 Oatsmaster wrote: Highest degree of mafianess Sandro Slam Dmb Mocsta Vivax Koshi Rayn Scott Az Trfel Lowest degree of mafianess Slam? Really?? Even with the replace out.? | ||
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Every townie thats not me trfel Sandro and maybe Mocsta basically | ||
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On June 11 2024 14:16 Oatsmaster wrote: So his master mafia plan is to mason you and not type for 27 hours. Great plan He doesn’t know my Timezone. | ||
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On June 11 2024 14:17 Oatsmaster wrote: I don’t think you know what scum siding means though if you are gonna use it as “everyone who isn’t on the lynch I’m on" I mean all the scum are on the other wagon and all the townies also there are literally scum siding. | ||
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On June 11 2024 14:19 Trfel wrote: Honestly we need to think about possible outs here.Looks like Alakaslam isn't playing anymore, unfortunately. This means that unless someone moves their vote from sandroba, sandroba is going to be lynched. This greatly restricts our lynch options. In fact, I don't think this gives us any alternative lynches at all. I guess our goal therefore has to be to either: 1. convince someone from the sandroba wagon to switch votes or 2. provide so much evidence that even with mafia getting a (presumably) free mislynch here, they are incriminated allowing us to lynch 3 mafia in a row Unfortunately it doesn't seem very realistic to win against five mafia :/ ah well. Agree. This is town loss as opposed to mafia win imo. | ||
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Oh fuck off | ||
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He went to sleep when I was around,. | ||
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On June 11 2024 14:28 Oatsmaster wrote: I’m not the one saying everyone not on my wagon is scumsiding The DMB wagon looks much more pure. | ||
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On June 11 2024 14:33 Oatsmaster wrote: I mean like I just don’t understand the ego here. We both think trfel and Scott are town. We obviously think ourselves are town. Both of dmb and Sandro are voting each other. The only contentious people are rayn/koshi v vivax I’m not convinced on Scott I’m just opening the door on being wrong and trfel and Marv being right. | ||
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On June 11 2024 15:59 Mocsta wrote: what are you saying here.. that you will vote rayn and/or dmb this cycle? If that is true he should be voting into rayn/dmb not sandro lmao. Nice pickup Moc. | ||
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On June 11 2024 16:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: AZ is deliberately misrepresenting this mason thing. how so? | ||
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On June 11 2024 16:33 Koshi wrote: Sandroba/DMB/+1 Can we all agree on this? Before we look for the third? IM not sure on Sandro. I think DMB is likely. | ||
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On June 11 2024 16:37 Koshi wrote: Yes. Just like we are not sure about DMB. But let's argue which of these 2 is most likely today. Really like the way you guys approached Oats. Except 1-2 adhoms it was enjoyable to read. There is for sure a lot of town in your team. I think rayn is a better lynch than DMB even. | ||
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On June 11 2024 17:28 Mocsta wrote: let's go with yes as I'm reading what you're writing Koshi asked a yes/no question and I saw waffles Stupid, mofo waffles Tbh that was bad mocsta. | ||
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On June 11 2024 18:03 Mocsta wrote: dude.. I'm crying here Are you serious about following koshi and rayn, your scum reads on sandroba. This town can't give.yoj the external validation you are craving. Can you at least stay on rayn till we get more feedback from rest of town.. it's coming.. patience. A little bit more I’m having the same thought. Sandroba flipping mafia makes the game a lot more straightforward. | ||
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On June 11 2024 18:38 AlphaZero wrote: I’m having the same thought. Sandroba flipping mafia makes the game a lot more straightforward. Same thought as trfel. | ||
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On June 11 2024 18:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here are the things sandroba said on rsoultin during D1: Now after that Koshi enter the game in place of rsoultin, and sandroba's take on that D2 is: I understand if sandroba thinks Koshi is mafia. Why does he have to justify it with something rsoultin did? Similar to the Oats thing in his catch up, that's all out of place, this doesn't make any sense. If sandroba thinks Koshi is mafia, why write anything about rsoultin, if he thought rsoultin is null? It's like, "because i think this person does now look scummy, suddenly their other posts that are null became scummy as well". If you get what i mean? This case is really weak. | ||
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On June 11 2024 18:40 Mocsta wrote: You want to flip to sandroba too? Is the mason logs going well or something? Like what does sandroba!mafia conclude such that the game is straight forward? Then we can worry less about oats/koshi/rayn. | ||
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I haven’t seen any good reasons that make Sandro mafia except he is worse than prior games. Now this is true. But I also saw him almost get mislynched for similar reasoning previously. I’d be more comfortable waiting it out another phase and flipping dmb. But I realise I don’t have the influence or time to get it done. | ||
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Why are we defending Sandro when he isn’t even here to defend himself. | ||
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On June 11 2024 18:56 Mocsta wrote: Dude. You're an even bigger disappointment now Pull your fuckong finger out Day1 shit on everyone for policy lynch and now you do the same I'm one vote it's staying in rayn Do as you decide P.s. I do like you as a player this is legit hypocrisy though I just can’t put the time in to carry this game if it’s town Sandro mafia Rayn. | ||
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On June 11 2024 18:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Let me tell you some of your mastery.... Why do you never ever share a single shred of doubt on Trfel's alignment. You havent played for what, 10 or so years, so you should have no clue about Trfel's recent meta. Trfel makes a case on Vivax. You blindly sheep onto the case. I am the only person in this game who has provably told i dont think Trfel's case on Vivax is good before he said it was fake. Even when Trfel fucking thinks i am mafia. For some reason this doesn't matter to you at all, you just take him at face value when he says "oh case was fake lets focus on rayn", and you go all balls out on rayn. Then Trfel says "no i dont really want rayn i want to actually follow him on sandroba" and you are STILL on Trfel is always town train????? I mean, for you, ther SHOULD be a reasonable amount of doubt of Trfel being town, because all the good shit in your opinion he has done he has backed out of and now he is doing stupid shit. Yet you don't. Thank you for playing, mafia. This post is bad. And should not be made by town Rayn imo. Why should mocsta town reading obv town trfel mean anything. If mocsta is mafia why is this the case to make. It’s very fucking weak. | ||
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So I’ll do that. Vote:dmb | ||
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On June 11 2024 20:10 Mocsta wrote: the only reason I would do this over rayn is if sandroba continues to afk and hope that's a free town vote to attempt majority Nothing further from me.till deadline Doesn’t make sense cause if Sandro continues to Afk he is probably mafia. | ||
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On June 11 2024 20:10 Mocsta wrote: the only reason I would do this over rayn is if sandroba continues to afk and hope that's a free town vote to attempt majority Nothing further from me.till deadline Doesn’t make sense cause if Sandro continues to Afk he is probably mafia. | ||
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On June 11 2024 20:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: I told that to AZ in mason yesterday around 4pm GMT yesterday. Its literally the first thing i saythere. I wanted to make something put of it regarding him before saying it in thread, but trfel said his case was fake even before AZ posted anything in the chat. After that AZ says "i agree its not a good case" (which i dont even understand why does he feel the need to say that anymore at that time). If he claims othewise he is lying and mafia. That’s all true but I don’t really understand the implication | ||
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Please don’t misrepresent that. If you read my filter I raised that point multiple times and specifically mentioned it again in the chat. Now you are being dumb. And I agreed with your take on me being dumb day 2 in the chat because it tracks with my much reduced investment levels and lack of confidence in alignments. You are not representing either point accurately or in good faith. Why? | ||
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On June 12 2024 06:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: What are you even talking about. I compared your read about "rayn would sub-consiously play more as town" in that i a similar way why cannot you accept the fact that i can legit have a thought in my head "why didn't marv + this AZ dude get scott lynched if they really wanted to". You literaally answer to that, that you understand, and it's a good observation. I even say there, i don't care what Trfel says about people being around or not being around. What did you raise multiple times? My argument is not about the resistance on lynching scott. My argument is JUST and ONLY "if marv and AZ are both town, why didn't it happen?", because they should be able to make it happen if they are both town and think scott is mafia. It's just as simple as that. Yet you never say anything to Trfel while agreeing with these decent observations of mine. I am sorry, but it makes me at least iffy. I don't think i am. I told you in the chat and multiple times why. We didn’t have the thread control, and there was a ton of resistance to the lynch. It’s a really bad point to try to derive an alignment based on one of us who already flipped town and another I flipped player not lynching someone over a mislynch. The good point is recognising that me and Marv didn’t get our lynch and considering what mafia agenda is at plays I have said and implied many times that Scott had resistance to the lynch and I find that point to be good. You trying to derive my alignment from it is madness. Why didn’t you vote with me and Marv if you felt that way. You just ninja voted onto Kelsier and then are blaming me for not getting my lynch done . wtf is that. | ||
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On June 11 2024 20:17 AlphaZero wrote: Doesn’t make sense cause if Sandro continues to Afk he is probably mafia. Relevant. | ||
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They hard carried with this lynch and I was super bad. I think Mocsta is clearly scum at this point so I was wrong about that as well. | ||
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What’s funny? I’m not trying to take credit for anything to do with Sandro Lynch. I’m just saying that this rationale from Mocsta doesn’t make sense. | ||
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On June 11 2024 18:42 AlphaZero wrote: Then we can worry less about oats/koshi/rayn. I Think moc is freaking out here that a Sandro lynch solves the game | ||
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On June 13 2024 06:25 Oatsmaster wrote: Az/rayn, please summarize what the whispers were for the day Rayn can if he wants. I don’t have time for that shit. | ||
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Town. Of course it’s possible he hard bussed Sandro and duped me. But it’s not worth thinking about until later in the game if at all. Same applies to koshi and yourself. | ||
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On June 13 2024 07:55 Vivax wrote: I just realized you presume that you are 100% correct on dmb being town Good pickup, i posted the same thing to rayn in our discord. | ||
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On June 13 2024 09:33 Vivax wrote: Not really but I just realized I was thinking from scott‘s frame of thinking and shortly afterwards I realized he might have slipped a rock hard townread of unknown origins on you. This. | ||
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On June 13 2024 10:13 Mocsta wrote: cool move indeed in this game. yeah its a possiblity reliant on 1. mafia having vig 2. mafia not shooting n1 3. mafia did shoot n1 and hit a vest role that isnt notified maybe a few others that go even more esoteric its not what you are saying is impossible, its that its improbable. we will know more in 50min i guess whether theres 1 or 2 kills. im banking on 1. Wtf is this lol? | ||
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On June 13 2024 10:12 die_meatbaby wrote: btw it's very typical that vivax posts a lot of memes and off topic in his mafia games to seem active but is not really productive... Agree with this. | ||
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On June 13 2024 10:24 Vivax wrote: But it‘s completely wrong. My meta is so massive that it‘s pointless to discuss. Typically just less interested as scum. I‘m bad at it. I'm agreeing more in a way that makes me feel better about DMB than about you being mafia. I think you are currently outside of your scum range in terms of activity and insights I agree with. And I happen to think you were right on Mocsta and Scott at various times. But I like that DMB is pointing it out, because it rings true (even though i don't think it means you are mafia) | ||
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On June 13 2024 10:31 Vivax wrote: I find the people here disturbing so my posts are disturbed. Like what do I need to talk with you about ? Do you need me to convince you that you are mafia ? She is probably not mafia though. Its scott and mocsta. | ||
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On June 13 2024 10:32 scott31337 wrote: Is this your plan or your teammates? It ain't gonna work. some classic scum bluster hey? | ||
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I think i really do. I think I did day one, much to the relief of my ego. | ||
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Who then? | ||
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On June 13 2024 10:37 scott31337 wrote: Are you going to respond to Mocsta's case? No, what do you think I should respond to? there is nothing to respond to. the only argument that I am mafia is that I didn't want to lynch sandro last phase. But I am not sure that makes me more likely to be mafia than town. Do you think someone who is capable of posting 20 pages in 2 phases as mafia doesn't know how to bus their inactive teammate? | ||
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On June 13 2024 10:39 Vivax wrote: I really think you and dmb Sandro got me really hooked on rayn Koshi though, that was impressive. It’s fun to have them as scum regardless OK well that is really dumb if you are town. | ||
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On June 13 2024 10:39 Vivax wrote: I really think you and dmb Sandro got me really hooked on rayn Koshi though, that was impressive. It’s fun to have them as scum regardless How was my team almost but not quite then? | ||
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On June 13 2024 10:43 Vivax wrote: I meant it in a different way. But I‘ll explain at another time. Explain now please. | ||
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On June 13 2024 10:41 AlphaZero wrote: Do you think someone who is capable of posting 20 pages in 2 phases as mafia doesn't know how to bus their inactive teammate? anyone calling me mafia needs to reconcile this fact btw. | ||
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On June 13 2024 10:55 die_meatbaby wrote: I think you both looking scummy and I am sure one of you two is mafia Thats fine, so why does scott town read mocsta and scum read me? Think about why that would be the case for a townie? | ||
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On June 13 2024 11:07 Vivax wrote: Alrernative scenario is that he had that read on dmb for other reasons than being scum. I was thinking investigative maybe. But the flipside could be mafia. Yeah makes sense, until his last post has her as basically null. | ||
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On June 13 2024 11:14 scott31337 wrote: "I'm town leaning DMB." What the fuck are you talking about? It's literally right here https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=28193865 Mocsta's case https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=28193475 I don't like to get personal in games. But are you just going to keep ignoring or lying? If you had a fucking GREEN CHECK she would not be LEANING TOWN. my god. | ||
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who is we? How do you know no one knows? | ||
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Lets talk about that, cause I can guarantee that slam doesn't Rage Quit like that if he is mafia. | ||
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On June 13 2024 12:35 Trfel wrote: Like why would you want a half-baked opinion? How is that useful to you? Its because he is not interested in solving, he is pushing agenda. | ||
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On June 13 2024 12:39 Trfel wrote: Yes, I read your night two post. I don't think I'm tunnelled on die_meatbaby, I've made plenty of clear points and I don't have any strong reads regardless so how can I be tunnelled on something if I'm not confident in anything? Why do you want me to post uninformed opinions after I literally just told you I don't know anything? @AlphaZero, if you're around for a moment, can you explain why you think Mocsta is mafia or point me towards previous explanations (sorry I forget)? Basically his read progression on my alignment. I don't think his case was an accurate representation of my alignment. and I don't understand why someone would fail to consider the IMO good reasons their prior town read could be town. He was saying not long ago that I would get shot at night, now he is utterly convinced I am mafia. It just seems to me (knowing I am town) that he is knowingly pushing a mis lynch on town here. Further, once I firmed up town read on rayn, his read on mocsta as mafia carried more weight. Basically I went through mocsta's case and then read my own filter and thought: "is this a reasonable reason to 180 his town read on me? is this a good faith interpretation of the facts of the matter?" and decided No , so he must be mafia. Then there is the obvious flailing about to get a counterwagon to sandro, which compared to my feelings of basic indifference seems scummy. Bonus points is that a Mocsta/scott team makes entire sense from the progression of day one. Mocsta attacked me day 1 when I was pushing scott, classic chainsaw defense He then joined the scott push when it was really clear that it was not going to result in anything. And now he is voting with scott on his former top town read, without the scum read really progressing to a town read in a way that makes sense. and further, scott's reasoning on me being mafia has become "because I am allergic to voting mafia" which is itself scummy and works with mocsta town because: 1>) he has never cleared DMB and has ALWAYS hedged on her alignment, so he is basically slipping there 2.) he is not considering mocsta as mafia who also did not vote for sandro, and in fact was the most vocal opponent of the lynch and is in fact voting with him. its pretty clear to me that these are the last two mafia, but if i need to die for their lynches to happen that works, cause I don't have the time to convince people or make huge cases or anything. | ||
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On June 13 2024 12:51 scott31337 wrote: I thought it was past your bed time where you were located. Where are you located? South Korea | ||
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On June 13 2024 12:51 scott31337 wrote: I thought it was past your bed time where you were located. Where are you located? See, he is uncomfortable with me pointing this out. He wants me to go away | ||
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On June 13 2024 12:57 Trfel wrote: He's watching out for your best interests! Side note, thanks for the explanation on Mocsta, I'll look into it more. You think Mocsta is more likely mafia than scott31337? no I think they are both mafia. | ||
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On June 13 2024 12:57 Mocsta wrote: Lots of brush off Push pull as thread sentiment evolved is labeled as inaccurate representation. Yet the case is your posts with colours for emphasis - nothing more Dodge and reframe Accuses me of being teamed with Scott for voting with a former scum read even though we have only aligned when I have town read Scott Worse this point reflects to alphazero as a hypocrite who voted with his "actual" scum read sandroba when did you town read scott, and what happened for this town read to develop? The rest is just bluster | ||
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I thought it was a clear loss if we lynched sandro and he was town. nothing about that is about me voting with my scum read. | ||
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On June 13 2024 12:59 Mocsta wrote: Wtf is this blatant lie alpha I voted with sandroba? Lol.. the end of day count clearly shows you are talking about yourself along with vivax What are you even talking about? | ||
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They aren't trying to solve, because they aren't genuinely considering the reasons i could be town. they are trying just trying to push a mislynch here. | ||
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On June 13 2024 13:02 Mocsta wrote: nothing I have done is unchanged from my vote count with colours I have constantly talked of Scott beboping around being a town indicator for me And his shift over the past 24hrs to not bebop makes absolute sense as town because more information means the game.feels closer to being solved He hasn't done that. His top scum read hasn;t changed all game really. | ||
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On June 13 2024 13:06 scott31337 wrote: We are solving the game And now you are stepping up because you are feeling the pressure. Anybody reasonable would understand this That's why you shot Oats Yeah, I would never shoot oats here. he scumread mocsta, and I was his 2nd top town read. How do you reconcile that fact? | ||
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The second part you have in red is a comprehension fail, I am saying scott is voting with you. | ||
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On June 13 2024 13:28 Trfel wrote: Mocsta, can I break this down with you? If there is something I am misunderstanding, please point it out. It is very possible that I am missing something. You think AlphaZero is mafia for how he posts about sandroba but doesn't end up voting for him, right? Basing this off of post #3410. Why would AlphaZero, as mafia, share so many suspicions about his mafia partner sandroba and then not bus him when it becomes obvious sandroba is being lynched and sandroba gives up? (I mean, good mafia play is to bus him before it becomes hyper obvious, but at the very least he should do it at that point) It looks to me like your argument is that AlphaZero is mafia because he set himself up to bus sandroba but then just decided not to. I could buy this if there was any hope of keeping sandroba alive, but there clearly wasn't? Like, why does this make AlphaZero mafia when what you (Mocsta) did, defending sandroba and looking for alternative wagons, presumably comes from town? How is what AlphaZero did any scummier or more mafia motivated than what you did? Please understand that I'm not saying this means AlphaZero is town, by any means. Just that I don't think this is any reason for him to be mafia. Do you have any other reasons? Because this seems very weak at best. And at a glance, it's your only reason. and this is why he is mafia. | ||
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cause there is no doubt. | ||
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On June 13 2024 13:35 Mocsta wrote: could be, i have guilty of a few i really dont see the fail though and i have re-read multiple times "scott (he) is not considering mocsta as mafia who also did not vote for sandro, and in fact was the most vocal opponent of the lynch and is in fact voting with him. the 3 ident lines all relate to "mocsta as mafia" and he, scott, is in fact voting with mocsta. fixed. | ||
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On June 13 2024 13:37 scott31337 wrote: Vote for Mocsta now if you truly believe they are mafia as you do. why so mad? | ||
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On June 13 2024 13:48 scott31337 wrote: Trfel who is mafia with die_meatbaby? he literally just posted a list post. | ||
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On June 13 2024 13:50 scott31337 wrote: If I'm back to null I'm back to conspiracy theory on you. So your reads are a weapon for you to wield? Rather than a reflection of your thoughts about alignments. Was obvious to me from day one, but I’m glad you are showing your true colours here. | ||
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On June 13 2024 16:11 AlphaZero wrote: If i am mafia I shot two people who hard town read me. Not smart. Much more likely that mafia are shooting strong townies who town read me to underping a bad push and mislynch. | ||
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Very dumb shit where they are both acting like mocsta actually claimed JK. screams of a fake dumb tell. | ||
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On June 13 2024 16:15 Trfel wrote: Yeah there's also that. I'm just in a spot where all my reads seem wrong, and you being mafia is a relatively clean explanation for that? But I don't think it is very likely at all, just can't completely ignore the possibility. It's much more likely because I am off of my game. I think your Scott read has just been wrong tbh. Game is really straightforward after that. | ||
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On June 13 2024 16:23 Trfel wrote: Ahhh but I keep looking at his filter and I don't know why he is mafia Maybe my expectations are too low?There's the opening thing with mason/whisperer He accused you of being mafia for changing your reads His case on you wasn't very good Not re-evaluating Are those the reasons? Or are there others? If it's easier to point me to a quote or a few quotes that's fine too. I mean its super obvious now, can't help you see it anymore clearly than it already is. Then it really is your problem | ||
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On June 13 2024 16:28 Trfel wrote: Feels easy, three lowest activity players are mafia? I mean sometimes it happens, but I think it's easy to arrive at that conclusion by finding bad reasons to townread strong mafia players. I think mocsta is mafia, so there is the active mafia. | ||
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I think this is right. | ||
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On June 13 2024 17:03 Trfel wrote: Hm... I have a vague memory that last time Alakaslam was mafia, he was much more direct. His posts would critique people's thinking and would contain reasons to suspect people. Here, he's just commenting anything and everything, in fact more often than not it's not a reason to suspect someone. Maybe this makes him town, because it's different? Or does it make him mafia, because he doesn't have a ton of thoughts about who is mafia? Or is it just a bad rationale because the vague memory is quite old? None of that really matters, he would not make that rage quite post as mafia. | ||
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On June 11 2024 05:41 Alakaslam wrote: Fuck it. I'm not throwing but just lynch me out or replace whatever town prefers. I got blindsided and was just tempted to post the word "post" a few hundred times to spite someone I wanted to visit this summer and couldn't quite suddenly due to organizational and financial restrictions. That's shitty, and not usually what this game does with my psyche. I am usually emotional and sometimes toxic but usually not more so than some hell photos or evil rants that people (I hope) know are not entirely serious. (I don't hate Biden or trump for example as they aren't responsible for the US housing crisis.) Fuck it. I am not going to let my government's corruption and environmentalist bullshit combined with my own poor scheduling ruin my reputation with what online friends I could make here. /Replace Sorry Grackaroni Sorry town Sorry mafia On June 12 2024 06:09 Alakaslam wrote: Aaaaand screw this, I wanted to avoid being a tantrum throwing bitch- so I bitched and threw a tantrum. Very sagacious behavior. Koshi you didn't offend me (sandroba did a little ) you just frustrated me enough (because I was stressed already by shit that you had no bearing on) to want to do petty malicious bullshit and I caught myself. I wanted to spam out my filter to 20 pages and end it with "still sr me koshi?" And went "no I will not allow myself to keep doing this toxic bullshit" and then went and did a toxic bullshit.I will try to read recent stuff ':-S I don;t think MAFIA! Slam can fake this, nor would it occur to him to do so. | ||
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On June 13 2024 17:05 Alakaslam wrote: There is host wifom. If I am mafia with Rayn, then my return is strong reason to suspect us together as he is the one who, as mafia, would likely be pissed enough and also capable enough to get me to return. not why its not possible for you to make those posts as mafia. | ||
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On June 13 2024 17:16 Mocsta wrote: Fair enough See there isn't push pull tension with me It's just push or pull You mentioned Rayn masons Is that historical or are you 2 paired again? This push pull tension that you are talking about, if you are town, you realise that is probably you just identifying my changing perspectives based on differing information right? the mason thing was historical. | ||
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On June 13 2024 17:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am really scratching my head about this talk on players relation to sandroba. Yes even for you AZ. I think people are making very very bad conclusions on that. What specifically did I say that you have an issue with? I can probably explain for you. | ||
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On June 13 2024 17:24 Mocsta wrote: perhaps this is what az meant by the afk see what you said makes sense to me.. present but not resisting whereas, when i see afk. i took it literally as not present afk is pretty careful with his word choice though, so im really going out of my way here to view favourably for az yes that is what I mean, mostly he didn't do that because he was absent, but as you should have seen if you read my filter, I said he was "less" than he was in his town games. | ||
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On June 13 2024 17:36 Koshi wrote: No. I need to know who is mafia between you and dmb. After that I can focus on scott. Going for scott first does not make sense. Why? | ||
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On June 13 2024 17:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: AZ are you still around? Yeah im still at work and failing to sufficiently focus on the work I should be doing :D | ||
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On June 13 2024 17:40 AlphaZero wrote: Yeah im still at work and failing to sufficiently focus on the work I should be doing :D Ill be gone in 20 min tho | ||
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You called him mafia, that's a good reason to lynch him no? | ||
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On June 13 2024 18:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: AZ, look at the post i made in the mason chat in June 11th, 10:23pm. I think you should know i am not lying about that regardless of my alignment. Then look at a couple of specific posts that were posted during D2-D3. I think you know what i am talking about. I think there is another player who has expressed similar behavior regarding those posts. It doesn't confirm anything for certain, but i think it might be worth consideration, especially if youre town. Hopefully you know what i mean. The Timezone thing is throwing me off . Are you talking about what you said about me smurfing? | ||
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Ok yeah I already knew that. I’m not following the rest . Give me the timestamps of the discord and I’ll catch on. | ||
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On June 13 2024 18:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: i am talking about a player who made posts regarding that discussion, and a player i pointed out shortly after, but not for what they said (that i pointed out). lol this is again funny like last game when i was masoned with marv^^ If it is what I think it is.I think I get what you are saying. You Think they are partnered ? | ||
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On June 13 2024 19:31 Koshi wrote: Well... if he is mafia with dmb and Sandroba it makes sense why he was so hung on you. So Vivax or Mocsta with Sandroba/DMB is possible. Guess Scott is tiptoptown after all Wrong. Even if he is town. Still wrong. | ||
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On June 13 2024 19:35 Koshi wrote: Anyway. AZ, Tfrel and Vivax will prefer to vote dmb over Mocsta I think. No I already said it was Mocsta and Scott. Dmb if one of those is wrong maybe. | ||
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Mafia is in dmb/scott/mocsta with an outside chance of vivax. Everyone else is much too likely to be town. | ||
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On June 13 2024 19:40 Koshi wrote: Then somebody will have to look if Sandroba went full bus d1 or just voted scott and was afk. It was distancing probably. He weirdly turned around his Scott read when he got back. | ||
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On June 13 2024 19:45 Koshi wrote: 1) you cant say weirdly because you had sandroba as a townread yesterday. So you cant implicate that it was a weird read to incriminate Scott. 2) is it the post I quoted? Because this is on d2 after thread sentiment changed on scott. That also doesnt count. Because Sandroba had to do this to be able to vote Koshi or rayn or w.e He wasn’t a town read for me yesterday. Yes that is the post. | ||
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On June 13 2024 19:46 Koshi wrote: Scott is back to tiptoptipperditop town after AZ gave fake reads to incriminate him. What fake reads? | ||
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On June 13 2024 20:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dontthink so entirely. I however think youre right to think that about AZ. What’s right about it? | ||
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Nothing fake about that. The point is, why does Sandro have to be explain in depth like that to rule out a potential mislynch, he doesn’t need to do it to also vote someone else. Scott was not a viable lynch day two. Even I had dropped it. So it’s misleading to say that he must do call Scott town to do something else. Mafia do not just hand out free town reads to townies, let alone put that effort into doing so. So why did mafia do that? | ||
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If I can admit I was bad with Sandro lynch. You guys should admit it when Scott flips mafia. | ||
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On June 13 2024 21:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think that notion about scott incriminates you as much as him. In what way? | ||
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On June 13 2024 21:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: The middle paragraph there is a fair point. That’s the whole reason it’s weird… | ||
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On June 11 2024 18:38 AlphaZero wrote: I’m having the same thought. Sandroba flipping mafia makes the game a lot more straightforward. | ||
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On June 11 2024 18:52 AlphaZero wrote: Honestly I’m not convinced Sandro is more town than Rayn .wither of them could be mafia. At least Rayn is here trying to play. Why are we defending Sandro when he isn’t even here to defend himself. | ||
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On June 11 2024 18:54 AlphaZero wrote: I’m really disoriented since my only strong scum read was obv town to everyone. Everyone except trfel seems scummy but not enough to case. Mafia is playing well or town is playing poorly. | ||
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On June 11 2024 20:12 AlphaZero wrote: Doesn’t make sense cause if Sandro continues to Afk he is probably mafia. | ||
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On June 13 2024 21:25 Koshi wrote: 2 quotes from you. I could add more but it was obvious you tr the very small sandro filter. It is pretty surprising to me that you now say that there were "weird" read progressions from sandro. I dont remember you focussing on those yesterday. But to incriminate scott... Fuck you and diving just to find something that suits your argument . I’m not taking undue credit but I also, clearly was not convinced on Sandro either way. I wanted another day to see it play out and acknowledged many times he could be mafia. | ||
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On June 13 2024 21:28 Koshi wrote: It is fair. But he does it to gain towncred calling a townie town. You think he wrote all of that trying to make a teammate even more townie? Nha. Doesnt read like that. It reads as TMI and making something pretty to show off how smart he is. That is why some liked him so much yesterday. This analysis sucks | ||
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On June 13 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote: It's not hard to find these quotes. There are many of them. But you ignored the others that take the other side In order to prove whatever point you wanted to make. Which is much worse than what you called me out for. | ||
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Fuck you too then. To say I simply town read Sandro is bullshit and not the truth. Just read those 5 quotes I posted. There is more from day one. | ||
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On June 13 2024 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Anyways just because mafia sandroba made a read X or Y, its not a reason to call anyone mafia. That’s not the reason I am calling Scott mafia. The fuck? I just said it was weird. Sometimes you guys are really smart and sometimes you are fucking idiots. | ||
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Koshi:Did Sandro hard bus Scott or not? AZ:i think it was distancing. His turn around on Scott was weird. Koshi: fuck you az you are trying to incriminate Scott that wasn’t weird you thought he was town Az: points out correctly why it was weird. Koshi: fuck you scott town you were wrong on Sandro Rayn: yeah koshi is right wtf oh but btw you are right about the reason you are calling it weird. Az: well yeah, I was wrong on Sandro, but it’s not that simple. Also there is nothing wrong with my point. Rayn: but you were wrong on Sandro and Sandros weird post doesn’t make him mafia. AZ: the fuck?!?!?!! | ||
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You are going to look really smart when Scott flips mafia and I was right on day one and then you hard defended mafia all day two. | ||
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On June 13 2024 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am pretty sure you heavily disagreed with me in the mason when sandroba WAS posting and i told you you need to realise sandroba is mafia and Koshi is town, no? Yep and then I talked with you and said I would reconsider, which I did and then you can see the posts in the thread where I have clearly begun to reconsider the read. Which I quoted. Look I’m not saying I thought he was mafia, and I did have a town read at parts What I am saying is just saying I blanket town read him and didn’t consider that he could be mafia is completely false and so it would be quite fucking normal for me to be pinged by him flipping on Scott for the reasons I have stated, and it is normal to share it now because it pinged me at the time and there is nothing fucking incriminating about it. | ||
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On June 14 2024 03:21 scott31337 wrote: Actually over the day I had been thinking and he got a couple of points (So, He went from 9/10 scum to like 6/10 scum) Then once the flip of scum|sandroba happened he went back down to a 9 for doing pretty much everything to not lynch sandroba, which I suspect is his teammate. If so, then WHY DO YOU TOWN READ MOCSTA? How does anyone let him get away with this? His thought processes are not consistent. Because, as has already been discussed, Mocsta tried much harder and more actively to derail the Sandro lynch than I did. Why is no one holding this guy to account for his thought processes that make no sense with any scrutiny at all. | ||
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On June 14 2024 04:12 Koshi wrote: He will admit he was bad with the scott lynch and find another thing we need to admit to. Oh no. I would def blame Scott. But I don't think he’ll flip town anyway. | ||
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On June 14 2024 04:14 Koshi wrote: Hmm. No. I just don't know who is left atm. Everybody must have bussed 1 person pretty loudly. AZ and Slam? Now you are going to have to apologise for being bad. | ||
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On June 14 2024 04:16 Koshi wrote: It feels so real. It’s real | ||
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On June 14 2024 04:25 Koshi wrote: I think mafia is Slam and DMB now. Vivax and dmb more likely in the world that Scott and moc are town. | ||
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On June 14 2024 08:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: let's see, who is here? im here. | ||
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On June 14 2024 08:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: vivax what's your mafia team rn? he has been saying its me and dmb, | ||
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On June 14 2024 08:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: yes, i have problems with scott - sandroba interactions D1, i don't see them likely scum/scum. care to point out which interactions you mean? | ||
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On June 14 2024 08:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: namely sandroba dropping a vote on scott and then just leaving it there. well I don't really agree with that then. I have absolutely done things like that as mafia. | ||
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He has spent way too much of his posts trolling, joking and talking about out of game stuff. It reminds me much more of his mafia game, than his town games. but you know, he does have a big filter. | ||
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On June 14 2024 08:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: you are right, but does it bother you? I mean, yeah, it bothers me enough that he is in my bottom 4. And I don't really understand where his scott and mocsta scum reads went, and why I am suddenly his top scum read. So if you insist scott isn't mafia then I think vivax is a good shot to be mafia. I don't think DMB and Mocsta are a more likely pairing. | ||
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On June 14 2024 08:52 Vivax wrote: ‚If you insist x isn‘t mafia then I think y is mafia‘ See that‘s also something scummy Koshi did he thinks he needs rayn‘s permission to scumread people. Maybe az koshi after all this is shit, of course you need to reconsider alternative scenarios. But im arguing with rayn about scott, im not asking for permission for my reads. | ||
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If scott is mafia, and i get pushed off his wagon day one and day 3, im going to complain. | ||
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I mean I'd like too, just for satisfactions sake, but I also think mocsta is mafia. | ||
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On June 14 2024 09:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: i am literally trying to understand, why you are complainig about anything rn AZ? Because I have been called dumb for the sandro stuff, and I think I nailed mafia day one and noone will lynch him. | ||
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On June 14 2024 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: so you want to lynch scott to boost your ego? idk man, what's the point? lynch mafia. I think he is mafia, I also think mocsta is mafia. | ||
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On June 14 2024 09:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: i agreed with slam saying "it is mocsta and scott" most likely. why are they partnered? i have never thought of that shit yet in my mind Because Scott refuses to consider mocsta mafia for the same reasons he calls me mafia, when mocsta is an even worse example of that. His reason is that 'mocsta is trying to solve the game' which is the most generic reason ever and not even really true. and also because day one when I was pushing scott mocsta came in to undermine my push hard calling it 'nitpicky' i think it was a chainsaw defense. | ||
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On June 14 2024 09:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: What did Slam say that makes it so fucking good for me that "mocsta and scott are partnered", AZ? What did he say, what is that you apparently said yourself. Why are Mocsta and scott clearly partnered? ITS IN MY FILTER WHICH IS WHY ITS FUCKING ANNOYING ITS BEING IGNORED! | ||
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done. Also flights are cheap as hell in europe. ok, can we focus on the game now. why is vivax voting mocsta here? | ||
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On June 14 2024 09:53 scott31337 wrote: I just re-read Mocsta's filter and I'm just not seeing it. Im shocked + Show Spoiler + not really | ||
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On June 14 2024 10:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: For the record i am not gonna stop anyone pushing you. You did the same to me to me D2, letting me take all the shit and no help other than Koshi (and Oats). You may have all the shit today, we'll see where we end up. Thats fine, im a big boy. | ||
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I certainly was. but it doesn't apply to all. | ||
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On June 14 2024 10:59 scott31337 wrote: Decisions decisions I predict you will vote for me. | ||
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So whats the decision? | ||
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On June 14 2024 11:20 scott31337 wrote: I'm not sure yet. I think Mocsta and DMB are both town, so I don't like either wagon. None of that makes sense. What are you thinking about. Presumably you already think you have your vote on mafia. It’s like you are performing the act of thinking but there is no thinking happening. | ||
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On June 14 2024 12:06 Vivax wrote: Ah yes it‘s you Well I‘ll try to summarize after sleep & work so mostly go over my filter to recapitulate. The latter two quotes I talked about will be part of it. Recently the fact you bent to rayn‘s opinion, and as for early game your vibe was off and we even briefly had a majority on you. So basically you need time to think of why. | ||
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On June 14 2024 12:47 Vivax wrote: Why are you mafia ? Becauase you’d have knowledge of every single other mafia and prepared accordingly for the ones who are going to fall. Like when you acknowledged rsoultin’s read and hedged your sandro read but then didn’t really do much about it when sandro still remained at low post count. But i literally did the opposite of that. if you think I am DP you should know that DP would never end up looking this bad in aid of a failing teammate like sandro. DP would bus hard and not be linked at all to his teammates. | ||
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I'm also down for scott, if you could town case mocsta that would be useful. | ||
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I don't think that is a normal town rage quit. | ||
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On June 14 2024 14:39 Trfel wrote: AlphaZero, you want me to explain why I think Mocsta is town because you disagree right? Not to convince everyone else? I am also willing to vote for scott31337. Whatever seems more reasonable. Yeah, cause if I am missing something I want to know. Pretty big disaster if we mislynch here, because probably i will be mislynched next. | ||
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On June 14 2024 15:52 Koshi wrote: [/b]Yeah Mocsta is town and the final answer is DMB/AZ Wrong. | ||
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On June 14 2024 16:14 Trfel wrote: I guess I thought AlphaZero's stance on sandroba was pretty clear, but maybe I'm somehow the only one? I have a really hard time thinking about this as AlphaZero's fault instead of the rest of yours though, tbh. Unless that's not what you're saying, I'm a little confused because for the first 2/3 of the post you seem to be saying that AlphaZero is scummy because he failed to communicate his view on flipped mafia sandroba in a way that others can understand, and in the last 1/3 you seem to be saying that his play is too clean and that makes it look fake. I guess I'm just not sure which one it is, or is it both? But they seem a little mutually exclusive, no? Also, I really wouldn't recommend sheeping me, I have no idea what's what. You have been much more present and involved than I have for a while now, trust yourself. You're more than capable, you've got this. Complete side note but... what if something stupid happened, like [b]sandroba saw his role PM and was like, "this sucks, I don't want to play as mafia" so he went to his mafia chat and was like, "hey guys I don't want to play as mafia, I'm gonna do next to nothing, just bus me" and then rsoultin busses him and we're so bad that we still don't lynch him and eventually sandroba flips and there are a lot of associative reasons to townread mafia members, just because sandroba didn't want to play as mafia? I don't mean to say that this is particularly likely, but I'd also say it's far from impossible, no? Maybe it's just me being bad at associate reads but I'd much, much, much rather read people mostly based on their own play. I just think there are so many fewer ways to screw it up. I agree that this is possible. | ||
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Because he is actually not playing in a way that aligns with that post. I find his latter posts to lack emotional congruence with the rage quit post. I guess I don;t get why you find it compelling. Also what is it with your reads changing like leaves in the wind? you have literally implied almost the whole game could be mafia at this point, is this like a strat to quote yourself and show you were right when literally anyone flips mafia? | ||
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On June 14 2024 16:18 Koshi wrote: Everything is possible. But can we lynch dmb today? I'd rather vote with rayn on my own scum read thanks. Cause at least he builds a proper case. you are just saying whatever. | ||
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Terrible... | ||
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Just make a case that is undeniable. Instead of just saying it. | ||
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On June 14 2024 16:29 Koshi wrote: No. I dont like that. I suddenly have these shivers when I think about rayn. You are too all over the place to be honest. | ||
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On June 14 2024 16:31 Koshi wrote: Did rayn do bluehunting in your mason? Did he try to see if you were blue AZ? no. | ||
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I ask you to make a case if you want me to consider her properly and then you call rayn mafia. Literally half a page after calling for rayn to understand your DMB push. | ||
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That wasn;t blue hunting. He wanted him to claim outright. You think that is alignment indicative? | ||
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You should probably post something more compelling that whatever it is you are doing then. | ||
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On June 14 2024 16:33 Koshi wrote: After DMB I wonder if it is rayn. Scott is 1000000% mafia. im less sure on mocsta. he is like 60% | ||
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on the second note: It makes sense to me that her first thought is that mocsta is red, presumably because she is thinking that he should be dead if he is town and blue. third note: I don't think that is alignment indicative. Fourth note: Meh. I haven't really found town DMB to be that quick to shift perspective. Honestly, my thoughts are that this case is not really that convincing, but I tend to town read DMB when I am town, even when she is mafia. | ||
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On June 14 2024 17:28 Koshi wrote: wow you are going for another day of admitting you were wrong. Its possible. I admit I'm bad at reading her. She thoroughly tricked me when she was mafia with rayn. | ||
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To be honest, my scum read is heavily influenced by my scum read on scott and their subsequent interactions. This is a dangerous line of thinking though. Also I am voting with rayn. I would still prefer a scott lynch first, but mocsta is a good second option, who someone that nailed mafia yesterday and who is a solver is calling mafia., | ||
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On June 14 2024 18:00 Trfel wrote: Also tbh I'm kinda disappointed that that took me 15-20 minutes to type up (on my phone) and you read it and responded in 3. Like when you spend all day on this great meal and then everyone eats it in 10 minutes and that's that Yeah well I was on a pc at the time. I’m phone posting now so feel the pain | ||
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On June 14 2024 18:29 Koshi wrote: rayn please forgive me. I was confused for a bit but I am back ok. Mafia is AZ and not Mocsta. Please consider this. But in both cases dmb is mafia with them. The thing that really sucks about this is that I can’t even just put it down to you being bad, cause clearly I’m doing something wrong in establishing my innocence. I guess I can empathise with palmar from last game. | ||
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On June 14 2024 20:13 Mocsta wrote: Really wondering right now if Sandroba / dmb /vivax can work Az, trfel put a thought that has lingered in my mind I do agree with trfel we were collaborating How did you change your read on me? It seemed to come about after my n2 case. At least from my perspective. We were collaborating and then you dropped a really shitty case o. Me and teamed up with the person who has been objectively the funniest I the game to do so. Also you look the worst after Sandro flip Also Rayn has a strong scum read on you and he looks good after Sandro flip. | ||
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On June 14 2024 20:21 die_meatbaby wrote: first of all I really believe that either you or az is mafia but I was still unsure about that at the start of the day, but you called me dumb so then I voted for you in reaction to that I saw now the emtional posts you made like an hour or two ago. I don´t think that this is fake and if it is good fucking job. Why is one of me and Mocsta mafia. Why does it have to be one of us? | ||
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On June 14 2024 20:54 die_meatbaby wrote: and scott I don´t want to call you a weak players it´s just that your opining posts are not the best... Why is he weak town and not mafia In this case??? | ||
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On June 14 2024 20:55 AlphaZero wrote: We were collaborating and then you dropped a really shitty case on Me and teamed up with the person who has been objectively the scummiest person in game to do so. Also you look the worst after Sandro flip Also Rayn has a strong scum read on you and he looks good after Sandro flip. | ||
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Feels good. And somehow Mocsta is being the most reasonable of the three and he literally wrote a ragequit post. This game is hard because everyone looks trash. | ||
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On June 14 2024 21:03 die_meatbaby wrote: because it´s too simular to his old towngames. He always starts weird in the games The thing is dmb this smells of tmi to me for some reason. If you are town I really don’t want you to be mislynched again. I want you to have a good time and play the game. I feel bad for what happened to you in your last game. But there is literally no reason to defend you right now except the fear I have that you will be mislynched and have a bad time. That’s it. So if you are town can you please explain. 1.) why Mocsta or az need to be mafia and why. 2.) what is weird about vivax 3.) who is the last mafia in your eyes | ||
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On June 14 2024 21:06 Koshi wrote: 2 townies and a distancing mafia. Bit the same as Sandroba voting dmb after calling me 100% mafia. I’m not mafia. Zzzzz | ||
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Why not you? I still have fucking Scott as mafia. And if you are town then o think you are dead wrong. | ||
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No you won’t. Cause I’m town and I’m turning you on apparently. | ||
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On June 14 2024 21:14 die_meatbaby wrote: 1.) you two togther not possible. But I have weard readings on both of you. I kinda see both of you scummy. Mocstar now less, because I don´t think i faked that emtional posts. 2.) everything. I posts townie then he posts scummy again. Making too much off the thread posts. But I don´t know how to fucking read my lover. And that pisses me more off then everything else in this fucking game. 3.) I don´t know what if I am completly wrong and it´s slam or rayn or koshi. I am losing my mind and not trusting my own townreads anymore. I'm getting paranoid here again. Slightly aggressive. I can't get any further here and I think I'm just making shitty reads except sandro. I don't want to be tunneled again, but my tunneld reads make the most sense for myself. Why am I mafia to you? | ||
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Fuck off. | ||
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Usually this guy likes to fork town circles. Unless I’m completely pocketed I think Rayn town. So he is kind of undermining collaboration here. He’s also kind of doing it on a broader level with changing reads all the time. Just noting for later. | ||
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You should know. You laid out the criteria for him being mafia at the start of the game, he met those criteria exactly. So why don’t you know. Also why am I mafia. What is the post you said you would find. | ||
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On June 15 2024 08:56 Alakaslam wrote: Everyone says this but apparently only I ever did it I’ll do it even though I might get mislynched. Gotta go with your own belief sometimes hey 👋 | ||
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On June 15 2024 09:00 Trfel wrote: I'm starting to think I'd rather lynch Vivax than scott31337 in all honesty. Masoning me, saying next to nothing, then this flurry or random, baseless accusations, including a literal lie? I’m also down for this. But I want to know why Rayn doesn’t see it first. Maybe I’m missing something. | ||
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Just please lynch vivax and Scott afterwards. And lynch whoever out of koshi and Rayn if either are alive at lylo | ||
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On June 15 2024 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: whoops accidently posted in vote thread Why not vivax? | ||
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On June 15 2024 09:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Every player in the game wanted to lynch Vivax aside from me D2. Not really, come on now, you know mafia will say that they would be willing to. But when it comes to it it’s not happening. And that is not a reason to have a town read there. | ||
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On June 15 2024 09:08 Grackaroni wrote: Day Three Vote Count die_meatbaby (4): Koshi, AlphaZero (3); Trfel (1): Alakaslam Scott31337 (0): Mocsta (0): Not Voting (1): Mocsta With 4 votes, die_meatbaby is currently set to be lynched! The deadline is Saturday, Jun 15 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in I think this is wrong. | ||
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On June 15 2024 09:09 Vivax wrote: He‘s shouting it from the rooftops that his vote isn‘t even on hos scumread right now It’s wrong, the vote count. | ||
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On June 15 2024 09:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have given my reasoning for why Mocsta is mafia and i don't really care that much anymore because i am talking to bunch of rocks, so i am just gonna see what is the best options of what is "available". Already spent too much time D2 talking about why obvious mafia is obvious mafia, and even that almost went to waste. If people wanna throw the game be my guest. I am not staying up until 5am every day just to get ignored asnd called stupid. No one is ignoring you or calling you stupid. I was on your wagon sheeping you and you just dropped it for dmb. And here we are. | ||
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Mine. | ||
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##vote: vivax Rayn you can lynch me over vivax if you want . But you would be wrong . | ||
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On June 15 2024 09:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Anyways i have around 25-30mins. It's already over 3am and i am supposed to start traveling at 10am so i really need to sleep soon. Go to sleep bud. It’s just a game in the end. I think vivax is mafia though. His meta fits perfectly. | ||
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On June 15 2024 09:23 Vivax wrote: If I get lynched here you‘d better answer that correctly Why not drop your reads | ||
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On June 15 2024 09:25 die_meatbaby wrote: thats feels so townslam... nofuckgiven slam thing It is but it’s an awkward timing | ||
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On June 15 2024 09:32 die_meatbaby wrote: it is. but you would not do that as mafia. To hell of risky Yes I know I am not calling him mafia. But town needs to vote together. And he is obviously town voting with nobody. | ||
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On June 15 2024 09:33 Trfel wrote: I hope I'm not wrong on this But I absolutely could be. I hope it's not the throw of the century.Me too, tbh | ||
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On June 15 2024 10:07 scott31337 wrote: And he keeps voting for townies (In my opinion). So there's that too. That hasn't change today. Why is vivax town? | ||
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On June 15 2024 10:16 die_meatbaby wrote: guys is this really mafia? Is this fake? Does it remind you of the last time he was mislynched? You were mafia remember? It does not remind me of that, that time he was trying to dump reads and he was really salty about it. | ||
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On June 15 2024 10:18 Trfel wrote: So I don't believe in scumslips but did you just slip that this is a mislynch? No. I am saying that the last time he was mislynched it was not like this implying it is not a mislynch. Fucking hell. | ||
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On June 15 2024 10:26 Vivax wrote: Do you not think that my selfish scheme here made two things really obvious. 1) Dmb doesn‘t realize I just turned a truck away from her and if she‘s town I had no reason to do so as scum. 2) Dmb is completely unaffected by the relationship component which tells me other things because I am affected by it. 3) Dmb doesn‘t have a real read on me 4) I‘m not salty because I brought this on myself at full awareness. 5) Mocsta ignored the relationship component too after I had compassion for him 6) He only changed his vote opportunistically when I was at majority I think the wagon on dmb developed in a way that mafia were satisfied with it. I think trfel was right on that, IM not really convinced by your argument. mocsta had no reason not to try to bury me if he is mafia. | ||
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On June 15 2024 10:30 scott31337 wrote: So I'm reading his filter again. His D1 is a majority of thinking about the game posting. Asking Oats how you top town read him and Oats went over it/didn't comment on it. Like he doesn't get into all the political/shit posting until later in the game. He didn't vote mafia D2 either, so there's that. Yeah I have been reading too, his day one was strong. It went down hill from there tho. | ||
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On June 15 2024 10:33 Vivax wrote: How can you think mafia was satisfied with the dmb wagon while you thought she was mafia and I derailed it and now you think I‘m mafia ? What‘s stopping you from saying we are partnered nothing, i just found the wagon analysis compelling from trfel, as did others apparently. | ||
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On June 15 2024 10:37 scott31337 wrote: So at 5 -3 the scummies could move from Vivax to DMB although ballsy Are ya'll sticking with Vivax then? wtf are you talking about, you think DMB is mafia and Vivax is town right? so why would scum move from your town read to your mafia read. Classic mafia fearmongering. | ||
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On June 15 2024 10:40 scott31337 wrote: Because there are only two people that have full knowledge. Oh yeah, if one is mafia, only one could move since there's only two left. I got you, I had to rethink what I said. My fault! Mafia. 1000% | ||
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This is a loss. | ||
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But I guess we still have blues. | ||
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On June 15 2024 16:01 Trfel wrote: Also I'd like to state for postgame credits (or rather, fewer postgame anticredits), that if AlphaZero had asked to lynch scott31337 instead of Vivax, I think that would have happened. I at least would have gone with him on it. So when we lose to scott31337 it's not entirely our fault, he gets at least a little of the blame too. Yeah fair enough. | ||
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On June 16 2024 07:54 scott31337 wrote: I only have a few minutes while I eat and get back on the road. I bursted out laughing at this. Thank you for this. And the last post. I attempt to follow/sheep Koshi to the promised land. And all I get is called mafia for it. Thank you again Koshi. Scummy. | ||
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On June 16 2024 08:29 Mocsta wrote: Ia dmb partnered with Scott? If so, what's the problem to do dmb first? I’m not sure. Last mafia could be hiding. I’m not sure about dmb. I am sure about scott | ||
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I honestly think that mocsta is too transparent with his thinking and his thought processes mostly make sense. That leaves scott, dmb and slam. I tend to think slam is only mafia if its with rayn, cause rayn agrees with me argument on why he is town. So I guess that leaves scott and DMB. Not sure that pairing makes the most sense. Scott is the scummiest and has slipped MULTIPLE times in the past day. So im voting scott. Vote: Scott | ||
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On June 16 2024 18:27 Mocsta wrote: lol gonna change or what jub jub i tell you what AZ if DMB flips red, scotts instant reaction to choose anyeone but slam > DMB is enough to lock in my next vote Yeah. I think that is the team. Kinda sad it took a red check from koshi, Other team is slam/ rayn like koshi says. Koshi carried hard. He deserves to flame us. | ||
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On June 17 2024 06:59 Koshi wrote: In some weird way to gloat mafia rayn contacted masoned me. Do with this information as you please. Im inclined to think you might about that having read through DMB's filter | ||
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On June 17 2024 07:09 AlphaZero wrote: Im inclined to think you might about that having read through DMB's filter Might be right. | ||
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On June 17 2024 07:20 Mocsta wrote: as in dmb/rayn? Not sure if slam will vote Rayn though? Does this means you would drop Scott read? Like I'm.wondeeinf if best move is yolo and vote Rayn today? No we lynch the red check. cause its not deterministic that it is DMB | ||
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Especially coming from her who is very suspicious of people like rayn and DP usually. | ||
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I think his mocsta scum read is suspect as well. Mocsta should look townier to him as he was to me and trfel. | ||
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On June 17 2024 08:33 Mocsta wrote: Exactly. Thats why I flipped my read Then he conveniently states he isn't caught up If so. Shouldn't be pushing agenda then I can wait till next one Not sure why koshi thinks he was saved Because that would mean mafia had 2x shot He is implying they couldn't shoot koshi cause they had to worry about the medic cause he was RB as he didn't get a check on me. Its annoying that he was RB cause then we would know for sure if it was DMB or slam. But DMB and Rayn's lack of interest here is damning. | ||
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I raised DMB and slam and scott. He says probably scott right now, and that DMB had quite good reads. | ||
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And honestly that is another option that makes sense. But I feel like the night kills and the koshi rb a bit too smart for Scott dmb team if that makes sense. | ||
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On June 17 2024 09:45 Mocsta wrote: Interesting I didn't read that far back Something to check for next lynch I guess Will be pretty bad if he read Scott town in thread those days but pushed him in mason log It wasn’t really a push. More like: “I guess Scott is second mafia’ end of night 2 | ||
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On June 11 2024 00:06 sandroba wrote: I'm around page 70, the beginning of N1. My worldview right now is: Town: trfel mocsta oats scott Likely town: vivax AZ Mafia is here: rsoul, rayn, dmb, slam | ||
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On June 11 2024 03:45 sandroba wrote: Listen, this is usually what gets Vivax lynched every game. Some sort of inconsistency or misplaced emotion that makes no sense from a town perspective. I don't think vivax is mafia this game, and even if I'm wrong about this and he is it's at best a crap shoot, because the game where palmar lead his lynch day1 looked exactly like this. Look I'm just as lost as the next guy, I'm thinking this has to be koshi + Rayn + slam/dmb basically by poe - but I think going for vivax right now is a mistake. | ||
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On June 13 2024 16:25 Alakaslam wrote: Oh yeah that actually mak3s sense because I did a shit ton of scummy shit. Remember you didn't offend me, you frustrated me because you were defending a objectively fallacious heuristic and defending it well which always gives me a menta BSOD. This was in context of my finances going to hell such that I cannot visit you all. Because of the housing crisis, mostly. So don't worry about my fragile ego, fire away- it had much more to do with catching myself before becoming Assholekashithead. So Hehehe Slam what scummy shit did you do? | ||
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On June 13 2024 16:55 Alakaslam wrote: I mean, I know it looks like Kushm4sta and I in extractor trick, no? So better me before lylo eh | ||
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On June 14 2024 09:04 Alakaslam wrote: I have badass gut feels that everyone should sheep I am not cop, unless Mocsta is the JK still then yes, I guess I can be cop. But we all know Mocsta is not JK So I am not the cop Don't know if this can come from paired mafia. | ||
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Not sure who with though. | ||
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Meh | ||
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On June 17 2024 21:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: For me the game is pretty much solved to the point where i dont really care. So if i am mafia for bein disinterested, okay. Other arguments are trash. If youre town, AZ, ss i assume, i know how this is going to end. How you have then? Dmb and Scott? | ||
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On June 17 2024 21:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: It can be Mocsta as well with dmb. I cba toreally find out anymore. You just said the game was solved so you were not engaged?? That doesn’t sound like it’s solved to me. | ||
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Flip dmb and then see where we are. | ||
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On June 17 2024 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Was it you who said i was bluehunting slam, or someone else? Koshi | ||
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On June 17 2024 23:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also you dont get to tell me what to do when you have called me mafia for very fucking stupid reasons. I am mafia, i can do whatever i want. If you are town you should make it clear by finding the last mafia. I don’t see Mocsta being mafia here. His thought processes are more transparent than yours . Why does koshi think you are mafia? | ||
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On June 17 2024 23:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also you dont get to tell me what to do when you have called me mafia for very fucking stupid reasons. I am mafia, i can do whatever i want. I’m calling you mafia because you said the game was solved and that was why you were disinterested. Then I asked you who the last mafia was . Then you said you couldn’t be bothered figuring that out. Which means the game is not solved and you should be interested. Therefore you lied. Therefore you are mafia. | ||
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On June 17 2024 23:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now i am gonna look very fucking stupid if you are scum AZ, i already know i look very stupid because i should have caught Koshi's soft claim, and i hate myself for it. But people saying i caught "half of it but not all" is just fucking disgusting. Also let it be know that i voted for my TOWNREAD just because i thought you were town, and just because every scummy person was on your wagon when Trfel shifted from dmb. I didnt have time, i made a decision based on "who to lynch, vivax/AZ", Koshi is apparently trying to use it against me, you should not. Why are you so stupid? My case has nothing to do with any of that. Secondly you can post a lot as mafia. Thirdly should know well enough that you would try to pocket me as mafia. You have pointed out many times that I was someone you could manipulate. Anyway we aren’t lynching you today. We are lynching a red check and that is that. If you are town you can read through filters like I have been doing and see if you can find something interesting. But wait. You said the game was solved already…. | ||
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On June 17 2024 22:45 AlphaZero wrote: You just said the game was solved so you were not engaged?? That doesn’t sound like it’s solved to me. | ||
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It doesn’t really feel like you tried to determine my alignment. | ||
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You thought that made me town? It’s possible. But you are the most dangerous scum player left in the game right now. It’s very tricky. | ||
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On June 17 2024 23:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: and that's because i am not dead, and i know who you are. See I’m not sure that’s a great argument. It’s true I would kill you , but counterpoint. You have been calling Scott and Mocsta mafia all game. Why did they not kill you.? Interesting cause trfel was defending both and he is dead | ||
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On June 17 2024 23:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: idk though how have i been "accepting you as town"? i thought about it after mafia killed Oats, because while Oats looked townie, idk how much he was solving. After Trfel kill definite 100% townread on you. Mafia just has to be stupid. You, as i, would have killed Koshi. He was an obvious medic save. Still is tbh. trfel kill also could hypothetically mask one of us correct? It’s kind of a good and smart kill for you kill because it left the three of us alive which gives you plausible deniability to not be shot. I think if you are mafia, you made a mistake to not nk me this night. I can’t rule out that you could be mafia here. Which is a testament to your abilities and balanced play as much as your actual scumminess in isolation | ||
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On June 18 2024 00:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Who do you think is gonna get lynched if lylo is AZ/scott/Mocsta? Scott. | ||
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Interested in why koshi thinks you are mafia. | ||
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On June 18 2024 06:46 die_meatbaby wrote: ##Vote Koshi you are supposed to vote slam here | ||
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Like he flamed cake and VE for matyring last game. Then he self votes this game. But why, we have a red check? why does he not want to lynch mafia here? | ||
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On June 18 2024 10:46 Alakaslam wrote: In a world where it is Rayn/Koshi this makes a lot of sense This is so implausible that its not worth considering. DMB is gonna flip red here. | ||
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its you or rayn. | ||
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On June 18 2024 11:49 scott31337 wrote: You can answer this tomorrow - Are you hard claiming? Why you bluehunting? | ||
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On June 18 2024 18:36 Mocsta wrote: you slightly disappointed me yesterday its ok, im not holding it against you this game, was just disappointed and letting you know With what? | ||
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well we should not talk so much this night, whoever the mafia is right now is setting up a favorable endgame. (if thats even possible anymore with a blue still out there) | ||
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He didn’t want to lynch a red check. | ||
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On June 19 2024 17:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: References please. I want to know everything i answer in the evening. We both think you are mafia or Scott is if you flip green. | ||
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Rayn do you think Mocsta is capable of being this open in his Thinking as mafia? Cause there is no doubt he has done scummy stuff. All of us have. Who are left in the game (which is why it’s hard) But he also maintained a level of activity and transparency that is hard to fake. I’m going to re read filters today. Why do you think dmb scum read Mocsta since the start of the game? | ||
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On June 20 2024 21:31 Mocsta wrote: I'm not sure if Scott's lack of activity is good or bad Rayn is still the best lynch this cycle regardless in my opinion Hi az its kind of expected from both alignments, really want to see rayn work on unpacking sandro and dmb filter if he is town. | ||
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On June 20 2024 21:31 Mocsta wrote: Will you tell us the primary account after the game? Rayn already did. Im DP. | ||
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All in all a pretty middling game for me. | ||
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Rayn who is the last mafia betweeen Scott and Mocsta if you are town we don’t lose even if we mislynch you here. | ||
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I find it much more plausible he put both his teammates in as scum day one for distancing purposes | ||
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On June 20 2024 22:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: If youre lynching me withyour vote then you. That’s really fucking bad. | ||
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Night kills point to Rayn and away from mocsta me and scott. rayn did weird shit trying to avoid lynching the red check. Rayn did not do smart town rayn things. Rayn is mafia. Like the fact he even casts any doubt on my alignment here proves it. It just feels like the last two phases he is trying to not get lynched but surely by this late in the game he can make a convicing case on mafia if he is town. but he is just not doing it. I hope this doesn't blow up in my face like the vivax lynch. But here we are. | ||
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Why did you flail around trying to not lynch the red check last phase? Why is Scott 100 percent town? That read feels like it’s convenient for you to try and get a counter wagon to form on me. Why are you changing your Mocsta scum read onto me? Like this is all classically scummy shit you are doing the last two days and you should know it. | ||
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So you should probably just make a bunch of posts that help the town at mylo in the case you are town. But really I haven’t heard anything compelling from you in that area. And that is why you are mafia. | ||
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On June 21 2024 07:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean both of AZ and Mocsta have put themselves into postion of lynching rayn --> scott. Neither of them is even reading my posts, let alone arguing against them. It is kind of funny though. Because one of them has to be town lol. I’m town. I just don’t think I achieve anything arguing against you here. | ||
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On June 21 2024 07:55 scott31337 wrote: I've been quiet because I'm not really sure what to say. Rayn thinks Scott town Mocsta mafia maybe AZ/DP Mocsta thinks rayn mafia But if rayn flips town - then what? Slam thinks Rayn mafia and then me/Scott AZ thinks relatively the same I believe I mean I don't know what to do or say I really want rayn to be mafia and then it's GG If he's not though I suspect AZ will go after me tomorrow Ugg If Rayn flips town. (Which I doubt) we alll need to reevaluate tomorrow. | ||
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On June 21 2024 07:55 Mocsta wrote: well several factors going through mind at that time 1) DMB wagon collapsed, whats the alternative 2) I don't trust my reads this game, Trfel wants Vivax -> I have been town and scum reading him all game. Feels like lottery draw 3) I dont want a lottery draw, I'm going to stick it on AZ who i did scum read 4) AZ does not OMGUS and instead doesnt know what to do with his vote either 5) I recognise this confusion and have an epiphany. I just dont see it being baked in the moment by scum. Maybe feels different with posts, but in real life, the timings are all 5-10-20s apart. 6) Without AZ, i backed trfel to a majority and took a punt with Vivax. I firmly believe Trfel would not have even been viewing vivax as a wagon that day if it were not for the mason longs. Trfel outted his frustration multiple times. This is what I mean by being open Rayn. He has posted these congruent thoughts all game.x why can’t you see this comes from town? Why is Scott town now? | ||
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On June 21 2024 07:57 Mocsta wrote: whoah. that is a slip and a half i genuinely have work meetings im going to be back about 1hr before lynch im willing to read with open eyes from comes out of this conversation. that one is pretty bad and hard to ignore What are you taking about. There is no slip there. | ||
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On June 21 2024 08:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sure you wont. I feel likewise. I have however been trying to make conversation, and to make you explain your views, give my own views to them, which obviously contradict with yours. Our difference is, that i am saying "no, this is not what i did --> THIS is what i did", your responses are either no response at all, or calling me mafia for the same thing again with no response.... Same with the stuff on why i find you mafia. You have no response on anything, why you did the stuff i find scummy about you. I tell you, look this stuff from mocsta is really scummy, you respond "no mocsta is very town, you are more scummy". What is that response even?? It's been going on long enough, i can only assume you're not trying to actually figure out my alignment, you are throwing shit on me to lynch me. Well it’s kind of true. I do want to lynch you . I Think you are mafia and nothing you have done makes me Think you are not mafia. | ||
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On June 21 2024 08:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: see this is the gist. i still dont really know why you think i am mafia :D Usually you make a case as town that makes a lot of sense and nails the mafia. The case on kocsta is not it and hasn’t really changed for three phases. | ||
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On June 21 2024 08:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: because there is no fucking way both you and mocsta are town. simply just no way. i refuse to believe it. This is really fucking weak. | ||
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On June 21 2024 08:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: DP knows why i think he is mafia Mocsta knows why i think he is mafia Both of them refute the arguments with "but rayn is mafia, but we dont tell why". You think I am mafia because I think you are mafia essentially. That is some dumb shit. | ||
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On June 21 2024 08:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: it disappeared when you started saying stupid shit when it started to matter. Maybe it’s confirmation bias but what I see is: Fail to get traction on Mocsta wagon. Town read Scott and then try and scum read Scott’s top scum read all game to form another counter wagon . Despite fucking wanting to lynch Mocsta over a red check last phase. | ||
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On June 21 2024 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mocsta thinks rayn is 100% mafia. sandroba is mafia with rayn. Sandroba flips mafia. Mocsta thinks rayn is town. Explain from town pov? He got swayed by the bus. | ||
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On June 21 2024 08:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: I also made a case on sandroba that nailed mafia, you had really hard time believing it. He was obviously being bussed that day. | ||
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On June 21 2024 08:18 AlphaZero wrote: Maybe it’s confirmation bias but what I see is: Fail to get traction on Mocsta wagon. Town read Scott and then try and scum read Scott’s top scum read all game to form another counter wagon . Despite fucking wanting to lynch Mocsta over a red check last phase. Explain this from a town point of view. | ||
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On June 21 2024 08:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: that's so fucking bad DP.... you have to know that's so fucking bad.. Yeah what is bad is that you tried everything to not lynch the red check last game. If you are town then you threw away the game by doing that shit which was objectively bad. | ||
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On June 21 2024 08:20 AlphaZero wrote: Yeah what is bad is that you tried everything to not lynch the red check last game. If you are town then you threw away the game by doing that shit which was objectively bad. Phase not game | ||
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On June 21 2024 08:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean how can you even say that because you didnt believe the case at all???????????????? Because dmb was bussing. So obviously mafia were bussing. | ||
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If you are town I will reevaluate the case on Mocsta. I’m not changing my vote unless something dramatic changes. | ||
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On June 21 2024 08:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: it is very simple. I scum read Mocsta. You post stupid shit, you dont try to explain why i am wrong on my read, you dont try to get me anywhere, you just tell me i am mafia over and over again for no reason. You agree with Mocsta on everything, even the stuff that should make you scumread him even a little bit. But no, it is just rayn is mafia because what.. Koshi said so and no smart stuff... Sure there is no smart stuff when you have to lynch me and you dont wanna make enemies. Why are you bringing up Mocsta over red check last phase? I think even Mocsta can understand that (since he is not using it against me). Why are you using all the stupid shit against me? All the stuff i have already answered. What is my mafia motivation to lynch Mocsta over DMB last phase? If Mocsta is town then you get a nice lylo with a parity cop check between slam and dmb. | ||
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But for good players they get caught on one or two small reasons. That was my reason for you. | ||
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On June 21 2024 08:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: really, is my play with dmb that we are gonna lynch slam???? without knowing koshi is actually the parity cop, evidenced by night kill. really that's your point? Fuck off Rayn he said he wa parity cop before he flipped. Then you get a nice lylo where we can’t confirm 100 percent which check is mafia and which is town. That is mafia agenda | ||
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On June 21 2024 08:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: This i can understand from town pov. Unfortunately it didn't came out earlier, for you. Unlike you I literally do not give a fuck if I am lynched here. Cause I think the game is solved. | ||
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On June 21 2024 08:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's okay DP. I will die, then you will die. We were both bad or i was good. Yep well then we were both bad. | ||
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On June 21 2024 08:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: He said he was parity cop on the day we lynched dmb, and i put my vote on mocsta. what are you trying to argue? that people would go with me over claimed cop? or what? I’m explaining why not lynching red check dmb was mafia agenda. Which you should know already | ||
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On June 21 2024 08:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: ah using the argument you called me mafia for. You do care if you are lynched. | ||
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On June 21 2024 08:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: why exactly was it mafia agenda? explain, because i have not seen that. note that dmb was not even red check. No I already explained the fact you don’t get it is damning. | ||
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Just dump your reads with simple reasoning if you are town. | ||
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On June 21 2024 08:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: No DP, this is all bad shit. If i get Mocsta lynched and he flips town, then the red check DMB is gonna get lynched 100% of the time next day, and then rayn is gonna get lynched 1000000% next day... Everyone knows this, we dont get "nice lylo", we are fucked because i voted against a cop check i allowed lol :D You may not wanna talk with me, fine. So your vote is wasted. Maybe the best thing is to vote for you. Not really looking good for you. why not lynch slam? you can argue your way out of anything. | ||
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On June 21 2024 08:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: really, your argument is that i did that shit to lynch slam??????????? No i think you did it because there were angles to win this phase. Mafia always want to rush this shit. And if you are trying to convince me of something, incorrectly calling me mafia is not it. FWIW. Your "lock mocsta read" was piss in the wind apparently. | ||
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On June 21 2024 08:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Jesus fuck these DP reasnoings keep getting worse and worse. Do they really though? | ||
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On June 21 2024 08:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: same goes to you bud. yeah i had "lock mocsta read". i dont anymore. is that scummy for you? Yes cause you wanted to vote him over a red check last phase. | ||
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You are trying to win the argument, not solve. therefore, you are mafia. | ||
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You admitting you are mafia hey? | ||
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On June 21 2024 09:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: point it to me like i was five. if it somehow miraculously happened that we lynched mocsta over dmb, how would it change the course of the game? then its 2-3 we have two people who could be mafia Slam and DMB we have me and scott and who have called each other mafia all game there are chances that we decide to lynch slam over dmb, there are chances that I try to lynch scott, or scott tries to lynch me, and all you need is for one townie to fuck up at the end. So yeah, seems fairly mafia aligned to me. | ||
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On June 21 2024 09:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: and now i am gonna say AtE. fuck you for saying that shit when i have gone through your arguments on me being mafia, and then your response is that i am just mafia for the same arguments again and not telling why my response is bad. I am very deliberately avoiding getting into an argument of semantics with you because. 1.) i don't think that alters if you are mafia or not if you win an argument on semantics 2.) its a huge time sink and frankly not that enjoyable. | ||
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whats hard to believe about it? | ||
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wrong, but at least if you are town then we are both bad. | ||
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On June 21 2024 09:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Slam, logs pls! we haven't talked that much. and he is not around now. I am not manipulating him or whatever it is you are trying to imply. | ||
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On June 21 2024 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: you or mocsta is mafia. that's my town case. pretty shit case. | ||
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Ok any doubt I had is gone. | ||
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Maybe I am bad but i can't see you as town now. I am sorry if you are, in fact, town. | ||
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On June 21 2024 09:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: what have i done to make you feel that way? I already told you. 1.) not lynching the red check and acting really fucking weird that phase. 2.) shitty case on me and dropping the mocsta read that was the 'town' justification for acting weird in point 1. 3.) Your cases suck, see the latest post on me. 4.) the way that sandro and DMB approached your alignment, DMB did not read you as anything and barely interacted with you at all, despite being directly asked. Sandro lumped you and DMB in null pools or mafia pools when it was likely he would flip. 5.) the fact that you don't seem to see the game the way that I do. 6.) the approach you took to this phase, which seems to me about finding a viable counter wagon rather than leaving town in a good position post your 'green' flip. 7.) calling me mafia when you should know there are at least a dozen things I have done this game that I would not do if I was mafia in this spot, not least of which is revealling the identity of my main account, when all that can do is INCREASE suspicions on me. thats some of the reasons. | ||
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On June 21 2024 09:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: i mean for "im done, i am not arguing anymore." its okay if you think i am mafia, i am pushing you anyways I just am not that engaged by the game, it was a mistake to sign up, I would rather be doing anything else with my free time than fucking arguing with mafia!rayn. This account was supposed to be low effort, i should just not have played at all. | ||
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On June 21 2024 09:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: I just quoted two posts, that were posted a long time ago. You never answered those. Yet you kept calling me mafia, while those posts were important to you, in why i am mafia. Surely you should have an easy time telling where i am lying there? You are going to post stuff that makes sense, you are rarely going to be caught in a lie. your frames of reference are not mine. I think you are mafia, you have not met MY threshold for changing that read. and thats what matters, there are things you could have done to make me believe you are town, you did not do those things. And here we are. But we BOTH know, your case and read on me are dogshit and would never happen like this if you were town. | ||
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Go and try to convince them, im not sure why you are trying to convince me when you are voting for me. | ||
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On June 21 2024 09:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: wow, i really mean it's the only thing i can say here. doesnt matter unless you explain why it is shitty, it's not yeah see above, you can do better than try to fuck me over in two points that are the same.. shitty point, because i cannot affect that. if you feel like it, okay. sandroba was all in lynching me D2. If you have any other view of his filter, please go ahead. stupid point that does not mean anything You realise how scummy this sounds? So like i am town ONLY if i accept myself being lynched? Yeah DP, not gonna happen, maybe you predicted it but no. yes well, same can be said about me, so are we both townie or scummy? also you revealing doesnt mean shit because i revealed you, D2 to you, and now to others, why do you make it an alignment indicative thing?? come off it, I could have lied and said I was not DP and then what? then it would mean nothing and I would be less suspect for that. The fact you posted it in the thread in order to stir suspicion after promising not to is also something I think you not do as town. | ||
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AlphaZero
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On June 21 2024 09:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: I get that but then youre still telling me to scumhunt when i cant talk with people.... Fucking insane... There is 270 pages of thread to look at bro. | ||
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AlphaZero
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On June 21 2024 09:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: wow, i really mean it's the only thing i can say here. doesnt matter unless you explain why it is shitty, it's not yeah see above, you can do better than try to fuck me over in two points that are the same.. shitty point, because i cannot affect that. if you feel like it, okay. sandroba was all in lynching me D2. If you have any other view of his filter, please go ahead. stupid point that does not mean anything You realise how scummy this sounds? So like i am town ONLY if i accept myself being lynched? Yeah DP, not gonna happen, maybe you predicted it but no. yes well, same can be said about me, so are we both townie or scummy? also you revealing doesnt mean shit because i revealed you, D2 to you, and now to others, why do you make it an alignment indicative thing?? See why would I engage with this? I give you my genuine reasons and then you tear them down without even really considering what it means. For what? | ||
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AlphaZero
Korea (South)759 Posts
On June 21 2024 09:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can someone tell me why i am not being talked to? I have been rude? Anything like that? Why don't people want to talk with me? Its because we all think you are mafia and are waiting for you to flip. | ||
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AlphaZero
Korea (South)759 Posts
On June 21 2024 09:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: no then we would lynch you and me and town wins. Lol what a slip. I thought I was mafia, why would we lynch you after me? LOOOOOL | ||
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Why not? | ||
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Glad you agree. | ||
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On June 21 2024 10:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: i think DP is posturing, Mocsta actually might be this bad (sorry) No I can assure you, if you are town, I am that bad. | ||
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AlphaZero
Korea (South)759 Posts
On June 21 2024 10:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: wow... so actually it is decided before. AZ, lynch AZ. Slam lynch AZ, you will see i am toiwn lynch AZ,,,,, if you are actually town this loses the game FWIW. | ||
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AlphaZero
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Like i know that is the point of what he is doing when he is mafia, but fuck its working. | ||
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On June 21 2024 10:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah yeah you think i am mafia fuck you-. why is it offensive if you think I am mafia? | ||
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AlphaZero
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is it going to be really funny or really tragic if we both end up as town and imploding lylo -1 | ||
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On June 21 2024 10:39 Mocsta wrote: did you explain why it cant be scott? i dunon so much flurry over past 10-15pages. im not really sure what has / hasnt been said im still at work too so only skim reading. he says its because you or I are mafia. Thats literally the entire reason. | ||
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AlphaZero
Korea (South)759 Posts
On June 21 2024 10:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: you never refuted ANY of my arguments, just kept calling me mafia, It is easy. SO bad or funny? | ||
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On June 21 2024 10:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think you and DP are more likely to be mafia, so basically PoE, why tho, he is objectively scummy no? What makes him less scummy than us? | ||
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On June 21 2024 10:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: ok ##Vote: Scott31337 I guess i dont have an option anyways I thought he was lock town? | ||
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On June 21 2024 10:45 Mocsta wrote: like.. i had a reason to sort of town read slam before based on d3 vote but i think the godfather question has to be legit considered why has slam dropped his scum read on me? it apperas DP hasnt swayed him im town?? Probably because his scum read on scott is stronger? and there is only one scum left. | ||
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AlphaZero
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On June 21 2024 10:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah, he is not as town as i am for myself though I mean that is fair enough. | ||
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On June 21 2024 11:00 Mocsta wrote: WOW... damn rayn.. tht last ditch effort was impressive Agreed. | ||
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On June 21 2024 11:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: sorry sandroba and dmb. i didnt have time to play at times, i should have been better You were fine. Just not town . Don’t know how to explain it obviously. | ||
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On June 21 2024 11:18 Mocsta wrote: awww in obs you mean? hmmm hopefully someone can explain what i was doing that came across so scummy? You were obv town to me by the end. Part of why Rayn gave himself away imo. He should have town read you too. | ||
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AlphaZero
Korea (South)759 Posts
On June 21 2024 11:07 rsoultin wrote: i literally had it as a too scummy to be scum that not wanting to lynch dmb while calling slam town that's mb but scott isn't scum so >> \o/ i get to make faces at marv. i consider this a win so this is what a dp towngame looks like. dude, idk if i can tell the difference other than i felt more heard by him this game while i was playing That’s the plan. 😝 | ||
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On June 21 2024 13:50 Trfel wrote: Good game all. Lots of nice plays. Sorry for being bad Turns out you guys were really really good at lynching mafia when I didn't get in the way Ah well. And thanks a ton Grackaroni for hosting You were good trfel. You got nightkilled that means you played well | ||
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