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AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 05 2024 02:12 GMT
#36
/in
"AlphaZero: Four Hours to World Class from a Standing Start"
AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 07 2024 03:09 GMT
#88
QUOTE]On June 07 2024 11:03 scott31337 wrote:
On June 07 2024 11:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ha! Still not mafia.
Mason me pls!


I've never been in a Mason game before. I understand what it is, but what are the advantages for town on its usage?[/QUOTE]

On June 07 2024 11:18 scott31337 wrote:
Masons are town flavored because they usually confirm people. These are more like neighbor roles that the OP discusses.



On June 07 2024 11:22 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2024 11:20 Vivax wrote:
On June 07 2024 11:03 scott31337 wrote:
On June 07 2024 11:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ha! Still not mafia.
Mason me pls!


I've never been in a Mason game before. I understand what it is, but what are the advantages for town on its usage?


Seemingly harmless question with emphasis on trying to look useful.
Scum-meter vibrates slightly.

Oats with acceptable vibe so far.


It was an honest question and Rayn answered what I was looking for.



🚩🚩🚩
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AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 07 2024 03:11 GMT
#89
On June 07 2024 11:03 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2024 11:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ha! Still not mafia.
Mason me pls!


I've never been in a Mason game before. I understand what it is, but what are the advantages for town on its usage?


On June 07 2024 11:18 scott31337 wrote:
Masons are town flavored because they usually confirm people. These are more like neighbor roles that the OP discusses.



On June 07 2024 11:22 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2024 11:20 Vivax wrote:
On June 07 2024 11:03 scott31337 wrote:
On June 07 2024 11:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ha! Still not mafia.
Mason me pls!


I've never been in a Mason game before. I understand what it is, but what are the advantages for town on its usage?


Seemingly harmless question with emphasis on trying to look useful.
Scum-meter vibrates slightly.

Oats with acceptable vibe so far.


It was an honest question and Rayn answered what I was looking for.



🚩🚩🚩
"AlphaZero: Four Hours to World Class from a Standing Start"
AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 07 2024 03:12 GMT
#90
Vivax looks town.
"AlphaZero: Four Hours to World Class from a Standing Start"
AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 07 2024 03:18 GMT
#96
On June 07 2024 12:13 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2024 12:11 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 07 2024 11:03 scott31337 wrote:
On June 07 2024 11:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ha! Still not mafia.
Mason me pls!


I've never been in a Mason game before. I understand what it is, but what are the advantages for town on its usage?


On June 07 2024 11:18 scott31337 wrote:
Masons are town flavored because they usually confirm people. These are more like neighbor roles that the OP discusses.



On June 07 2024 11:22 scott31337 wrote:
On June 07 2024 11:20 Vivax wrote:
On June 07 2024 11:03 scott31337 wrote:
On June 07 2024 11:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ha! Still not mafia.
Mason me pls!


I've never been in a Mason game before. I understand what it is, but what are the advantages for town on its usage?


Seemingly harmless question with emphasis on trying to look useful.
Scum-meter vibrates slightly.

Oats with acceptable vibe so far.


It was an honest question and Rayn answered what I was looking for.



🚩🚩🚩


Is the flag on the play that he looks like he answered his own question?


Exactly so. is it really an honest question when he knows the answer.

Very curious.
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AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 07 2024 04:32 GMT
#129
On June 07 2024 12:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What do you think of the situation regarding you scott?
Do you get Alpha's argument?


It’s pretty enjoyable to be called alpha. Also accurate.

😉
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AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 07 2024 06:32 GMT
#172
Trfel what happened to your pressure on Vivax?

From what I can see, you thought his oats read was off and then the next thing you said was you didn't want to lynch him today?
"AlphaZero: Four Hours to World Class from a Standing Start"
AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 07 2024 06:36 GMT
#174
On June 07 2024 15:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How familiar are you with Trfel, AZ?


Familiar enough to agree with your assessment of his play as 'weird' this game.
"AlphaZero: Four Hours to World Class from a Standing Start"
AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 07 2024 06:39 GMT
#176
On June 07 2024 15:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't think he's being weird anymore though, i think he is town.


What does it mean that he was weird earlier though?

I just feel like he is being a lot more 'confident' and less wishy-washy than I associate with his town play.

I agree that this looks town-like on the surface, but it also strikes me as 'other'
"AlphaZero: Four Hours to World Class from a Standing Start"
AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 07 2024 06:47 GMT
#179
On June 07 2024 14:58 Trfel wrote:
Okay so it was the former. Still though I have a hard time understanding Oatsmaster's posts..... Idk maybe he's just town because his posting looks really awful but I don't think he would do that as mafia because he knows better and can do better? Which is a pretty darn stupid argument but it's the best I have?


On June 07 2024 15:03 Trfel wrote:
Like the part I don't get most is that he really really really didn't interact with anyone or get involved. Even when I tried to draw him out a bit. Why come and post in a way that's not productive or interactive? It just looks bad. Which is actually why I think he may be town because of it, it's kinda wifom, but mafia generally isn't going to make themselves look bad for no reason. I think he might be town and just not care that much.


I agree with this analysis, but I don't see how this can co-exist with Trfel finding Vivax's vibe read on oats as weird.

To me, this is a protracted version of the same read.

I'm interested to see what you think of Vivax's read now trfel.
"AlphaZero: Four Hours to World Class from a Standing Start"
AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 07 2024 06:49 GMT
#182
On June 07 2024 15:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2024 15:39 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 07 2024 15:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't think he's being weird anymore though, i think he is town.


What does it mean that he was weird earlier though?

I just feel like he is being a lot more 'confident' and less wishy-washy than I associate with his town play.

I agree that this looks town-like on the surface, but it also strikes me as 'other'

I think i explained that in a post towards him or rsoultin.

I just went through the last couple of pages, and i agree you may have a point. Like Trfel is defending Oats (and not talking about Vivax), when i asked him (and rsoul) about both of them. I mean if he so strongly feels Oats is not acting in a scummy way, why not change the discussion to Vivax with like "hey rayn i think Oats might be town, can we talk about Vivax instead" or something.


Exactly so.
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AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 07 2024 07:06 GMT
#185
On June 07 2024 16:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What would that mean regarding Vivax / Oats, if Trfel is mafia?


I'd need to think about that. I am not convinced Trfel is mafia.
"AlphaZero: Four Hours to World Class from a Standing Start"
AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 07 2024 12:36 GMT
#218
I find it funny that mocsta called me out for needlessly nitpicking before nitpicking everything about kelsier's entry post that wasn't bad at all.

I find his entrance to be forced, like he is trying too hard to find something scummy.

I am interested in why truffles thinks he doesn't want to lynch mocsta today?

Is it because Mocsta sheeped your push?
"AlphaZero: Four Hours to World Class from a Standing Start"
AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 07 2024 12:37 GMT
#219
I think Oats is town based on his recent posts.
"AlphaZero: Four Hours to World Class from a Standing Start"
AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 07 2024 13:48 GMT
#241
On June 07 2024 22:43 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2024 21:36 AlphaZero wrote:
I find it funny that mocsta called me out for needlessly nitpicking before nitpicking everything about kelsier's entry post that wasn't bad at all.

....

Is it because Mocsta sheeped your push?
at first I thought that you confused me with trfel, and the last statement confirms you did not.

What is that that i mischaracterized or nitpicked in kelsier entry post?


It would be a mischaracterisation of the post you quoted to say I said you mischaracterised.

I don’t need to point out the specific instances. You can go back and look at your own filter and see that you were nit picking.

For the record, I have no issue with nitpicking, but you claim to “not understand it” while also engaging In it.
"AlphaZero: Four Hours to World Class from a Standing Start"
AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 07 2024 13:50 GMT
#244
On June 07 2024 22:43 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2024 21:36 AlphaZero wrote:
I find it funny that mocsta called me out for needlessly nitpicking before nitpicking everything about kelsier's entry post that wasn't bad at all.

....

Is it because Mocsta sheeped your push?
at first I thought that you confused me with trfel, and the last statement confirms you did not.

What is that that i mischaracterized or nitpicked in kelsier entry post?


Further, doesn’t this imply you thought trfel was doing the above?
"AlphaZero: Four Hours to World Class from a Standing Start"
AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 07 2024 13:53 GMT
#247
On June 07 2024 22:50 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2024 22:48 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 07 2024 22:43 Mocsta wrote:
On June 07 2024 21:36 AlphaZero wrote:
I find it funny that mocsta called me out for needlessly nitpicking before nitpicking everything about kelsier's entry post that wasn't bad at all.

....

Is it because Mocsta sheeped your push?
at first I thought that you confused me with trfel, and the last statement confirms you did not.

What is that that i mischaracterized or nitpicked in kelsier entry post?


It would be a mischaracterisation of the post you quoted to say I said you mischaracterised.

I don’t need to point out the specific instances. You can go back and look at your own filter and see that you were nit picking.

For the record, I have no issue with nitpicking, but you claim to “not understand it” while also engaging In it.
guilty of seeking to sound fancy

Regardless when I read what I wrote which was one sentence I found you to embellish if in disagreement.

So yes I am asking you to point out


I can’t be bothered. Do with that as you will. The game is short and you can read. I’d rather not do your homework for you.

And if you can’t see what I see then your mind is closed and that makes you more likely mafia.
"AlphaZero: Four Hours to World Class from a Standing Start"
AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 07 2024 13:55 GMT
#250
On June 07 2024 22:51 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2024 22:50 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 07 2024 22:43 Mocsta wrote:
On June 07 2024 21:36 AlphaZero wrote:
I find it funny that mocsta called me out for needlessly nitpicking before nitpicking everything about kelsier's entry post that wasn't bad at all.

....

Is it because Mocsta sheeped your push?
at first I thought that you confused me with trfel, and the last statement confirms you did not.

What is that that i mischaracterized or nitpicked in kelsier entry post?


Further, doesn’t this imply you thought trfel was doing the above?

No?


So you considered that statement and when you thought it was about truffles it wasn’t worth addressing?
"AlphaZero: Four Hours to World Class from a Standing Start"
AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 07 2024 13:57 GMT
#254
On June 07 2024 22:56 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2024 22:55 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 07 2024 22:51 Mocsta wrote:
On June 07 2024 22:50 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 07 2024 22:43 Mocsta wrote:
On June 07 2024 21:36 AlphaZero wrote:
I find it funny that mocsta called me out for needlessly nitpicking before nitpicking everything about kelsier's entry post that wasn't bad at all.

....

Is it because Mocsta sheeped your push?
at first I thought that you confused me with trfel, and the last statement confirms you did not.

What is that that i mischaracterized or nitpicked in kelsier entry post?


Further, doesn’t this imply you thought trfel was doing the above?

No?


So you considered that statement and when you thought it was about truffles it wasn’t worth addressing?
no



Why is that?
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AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 07 2024 14:01 GMT
#257
I think there is a very good chance mocsta is mafia.

There is a lot of bluster and attacking players which on the surface could look town aligned , but it doesn’t seem like he is genuinely trying to determine alignments to me.
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