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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 14 2024 02:40 GMT
#7901
On March 14 2024 04:46 CopCake wrote:
This is the read in which DP is town

Night 1.-

+ Show Spoiler +
-Jacob gives a gun to DP (Confirmed)
That is understandable because Jacob loves DP and trusts him.
-Slam checks Oats (Confirmed)
-Rayn protected Slam according to Marv, and it fits. We know Marv was town so.
-Vivax Jailed DP
- Rayn died
- Sandro died

Conclusion: In my opinion, a mafia vig went for Slam, and Rayn saved him. This is not confirmed, but it is the most likely scenario. I also think Vivax was blocked during this phase. It is not confirmed, but it is very probable.

Night 2.-

+ Show Spoiler +
-DP shoots TTS (Confirmed)
- Vivax jails slam
- Slam dies
- Marv dies


Conclusion: In this case, it is very likely that Vivax got blocked (duh), and Slam died. This makes me very certain there is a roleblocker. Assuming there is a JK and a Confirmed JOAT, I think balance-wise, there should be a roleblocker, but that is my view of this world.


Following this idea (DP town) makes me believe that DP didn't get blocked because
1.- TTS was already getting grilled, and his inactivity would have made him go to the lynch pile instead of VE, perhaps. So, if he died, it was like, meh, besides, he was just "a goon."

2. The Mafia gambled and was very sure DP would shoot either a townie (DMB and I were the ones I remember he mentioned more, apparently I read somewhere he also mentioned VE?) because of how we had been acting the whole game—DP vs. Cake, Cake vs. DP.

Point 2 also makes me believe that a Mafia participated in the last game I played and saw the DP vs. Cake that happened there. They are pulling the strings to make us fight, and it doesn't help that my personality and DPs don't get along. It could be his paranoia or my stubbornness; who knows, but I think the Mafia is exploiting this in the worldview that DP is town.

Night 3

+ Show Spoiler +
- Jacob dies


This is a bit tricky because I will be assuming things according to what I have seen in the relationship between DP and Jacob so far in this game and the other. DP has shown a soft side for his Aussie boys, TTT and Jacob, who, regardless of whether Jacob is right on his reads according to DP or not in an opinion, DP would take a deep breath and try to think about Jacob's point of view.

In addition, Jacob's death does not add any new information to the thread except for confirming that he was the gunsmith and that the crazy theory that got planted of Jacob-DMB-DP does not exist. Most people were already assuming he was the gunsmith; tone-wise, Jacob sounded bubbly, adorable, free, and happy. His enthusiasm was pretty townie.

Nevertheless, why Jacob and not DP? DP has a more strong presence. This is from my POV, but it is because the mafia more likely wants DP vs Cake and that we fuck up.

Marv is an excellent player, and he was one of the people who said, "DP, Cake, please stop."
Jacob also was, "Cake, DP is town," and yesterday he said, "I think Cake is town DP."

Killing a confirmed blue role is not surprising. If they had killed DP, Jacob would have been confirmed. Killing Jacob doesn't confirm DP; that is why DP is alive if he is in town.

If DP is town, the mafia wants the rest of the townies to have paranoia over DP. Let's say DP gets to lynch me; I flip town; who looks BAD?

I would assume DP would get all fuck this shit, fuck you, cake, you played so scummy, fuck I need to rearrange my ideas. If he is town, I would believe he would get extremely frustrated and probably a bit - sad?, maybe - because I think he is like a big bear that is super deadly but also has this - soft - side. I mean, he is friends with Jacob, so I guess he is between TTT (who is super serious) and a little less bubbly and shiny than Jacob.


In this scenario, DMB is cleared. I also noticed that people act like vultures around her to see if she does something scummy.

So that leaves us with these reads from the top of my head. I want to filter dive them with scrutinity but who am I kidding? I might not be able to do it because - irl -

+ Show Spoiler +
Vivax: I think action activity from the night he is almost clear,
Jealous: This one is clouded because he makes me go with two emotions simultaneously. Bothers me a lot; he is like CAKE, HAVE YOU READ DPS GAME, CAKE WHERE ARE THE SCREENSHOTS, like I wasn't lying the I am sad thing, etc. I don't want to post anymore. So I cant read a neutral read. I mean he called me out and make a joke of me and jat being stupid for saying vivax could be mafia and now he is trying to recreate the world in which vivax is mafia, say what?
Meapak_Ziphh: I think he is town, this read is by tone and personality.
Palmar: I have said enough. But after filtering Koshi with scrutinity I am like ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
justanothertownie: He... exists?
Iamperfection: I think he is the most neutral one, trying to scum hunt, agressive in a nice way, there was this thing while reading Oats filter that he seemed also so obsessed with Iamperfection, idk if he was trying to pocket Iamp or what. Like the discussed, it wasnt all butterflies and agreements.
Koshi: This one is weird too because I dont know how to take his actions from my close lynch and after that. I also feel like I am a doll here, like a "I told you so she was town you fucking idiots" when I flip town if DP gets me lynched. After that he would try to "drive" the town.
Rels: The biggest problem I have with Rels is that he town reads me for the same reasons he scum reads me FROM THE SAME GAME; it should be one or the other. I also think, maybe? He tried to save me because my flip would give DP a new perspective of the game? Me being alive creates more chaos, I must admit.


So in conclusion:

Koshi/Rels/Someone

If DP is town, Koshi fits the "let us make DP and Cake fight" besides there are these posts

Koshi claims I am unreadable and then that he has read me once. If he cant read me how is he townreading me so hard atm?

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On March 05 2024 05:24 Koshi wrote:
I am on page 25 right now and I am not getting anything out of it anymore.

Oats posts too much to be lynched today. I don't enjoy reading his posts but that doesn't make him mafia. I think he deserves time to develop his play due to activity.

Copcake is unreadable. I don't feel like she is hiding though. I just don't get what she is thinking yet.

tfrel I will filter right now. He is also in my null pile with all these people but the most in hiding.

Slam is being slam. Not going to go further into that. He can stay alive, but if rayn kills him I won't be upset.

mebaby made bad posts and a couple sensible posts after that doesn't change that. She is in red territory but won't be lynched most likely because she is active enough. (shouldn't be lynched d1 in such a big game imo)




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On March 05 2024 06:06 Koshi wrote:
On March 05 2024 05:59 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 05 2024 05:57 Koshi wrote:
On March 05 2024 01:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sandroba what marv is telling you is true.

lol this is funny

On March 05 2024 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 05 2024 01:51 iamperfection wrote:
I do find it odd marv isn't posting in the thread

I told a couple of hours ago to him that people are gonna scumread him for playing the game only in discord with 2 mason chats ^^

If mafia makes me mayor. I am willing to shoot marv.
Just putting that out there.

0 fucks would be given.


Great way to not end up as mayor.

Koshi can I have a list post? Doesn’t need to be everyone just enough so that I can see where your head is at

page 36 and too angry to continue.

But

town:
iamp cuz town best time was in the first pages and he was a driving factor.
dp: I wrote 'good interpretation of DP vs Oats' but that seems incorrect. That being said. I don't dislike your copcake stuff but I haven't read it because it doesn't spark anything in me. I am pretty sure I read copcake really good of one of her first posts in a previous game because she backtracked on a story after being called out. So I am waiting on her to fuck up. She is just playing a different game as me here, but not in a bad way.
Vivax I like him
MZ Ugly posts, but I can see him being town and him finding his way

Null
Oats

Mafia
DMB because bad start
TheNewGuy because I don't like that entrance
Tfrel because reasoning given. Too safe.
marv because he can die




Here he tells me DP mafia, later he says DP is town. Just remember this.


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On March 07 2024 05:43 Koshi wrote:
On March 06 2024 14:05 CopCake wrote:
On March 06 2024 13:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Its completely unreasonable to think those people are mafia for lynching Trfel unless you think Palmar is 100% mafia.


My theory is that they wanted Tfrel out of the equation. I honestly do not know where to place Palmar there.

Ie. Koshi wanted to lynch Tfrel but he respected other people’s view on him he contained (even mine)

Here, we have vivax who called tfrel bad and mafia many times for not being active when I proved that Tfrel is not a spammer.

🤷🏽‍♀️

They only started the wagon because DP came in. DP knows about Tfrel good reads.

It also bugs me a lot that Tfrel HAVE talked about his mental health issues before and there are several active TL frequent posters who know that.

I have never also found Vivax to be pedantic? And in this game it feels so. He tends to fight the status quo but not here.


Vivax is never mafia. He is too active, too funny and he is making really good observations.
The other 2 are fair game if you want to pursue them.
I think DP could be mafia. We should limit his posts to 60 for D2. If he does more we policy lynch him.
I think he very well could be mafia shitting up this thread.




Here I was considering why Mafia didnt kill Slam, but Koshi threw the shade of - Slam might be not blue and lied - to protect Oats?


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On March 08 2024 02:28 Koshi wrote:
On March 08 2024 02:24 CopCake wrote:
On March 08 2024 02:23 Koshi wrote:
If you want my opinion:
rayn: because ve and or Palmar are mafia. I think mafia wouldn't kill rayn over marv if it wasnt the reads. Marv has way more pull in the thread. (Supertinfoil. Cuz marv is mafia and rayn claimed to him)

I forgot thz second kill lol. I am going insane.


You need to consider Mafia either didnt believe Slam´s claim or were more afraid of Rayn / Sandro

Yeah. Why not shoot slam.
Would mafia have known rayn was blue? Because that would make it less likely slam also is blue?

But then marv is mafia.




Here he thinks DP is town (Remember when he told me DP could be mafia) and comments about me like yeah cake is townie but she can be traitor

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On March 08 2024 17:11 Koshi wrote:
On March 08 2024 10:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax I helped you become mayor, so I feel I have a responsibility to keep you on track.

So when you do dumb shit I am going to block you every time until I die.

If you don't want to lynch Oats today that is fine, I will lynch Cake who is confirmed fucking mafia and then we can lynch oats tomorrow.

You may be mayor right now but i am in control of this fucking thread.

CC is not mafia. Worst case she is traitor and played very cool D1.


but at the same time, inmediatly considers Jacob not Gunsmith? If you read DP town, shouldnt Koshi consider Jacob lock town there? Here he also says OATS needs to die but later does everything to save him.


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On March 08 2024 17:18 Koshi wrote:
On March 08 2024 17:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 08 2024 17:11 Koshi wrote:
On March 08 2024 10:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax I helped you become mayor, so I feel I have a responsibility to keep you on track.

So when you do dumb shit I am going to block you every time until I die.

If you don't want to lynch Oats today that is fine, I will lynch Cake who is confirmed fucking mafia and then we can lynch oats tomorrow.

You may be mayor right now but i am in control of this fucking thread.

CC is not mafia. Worst case she is traitor and played very cool D1.

Koshi talk to me, where are you at right now

You have to die because I am too time constrained to reread and get invested.
I am quite clueless this game. Those names I posted earlier are my choices but I dont have good reasons. It's more PoE.
MZ I think is mafia. Really think he is faking activity when he is here. And he has some towntells he didnt show. (Rage after lynch)
Rels is playing a safe scumgame and will be very hard to lynch.
Is Jacob confirmed blue gunsmith? Because I also think he might be mafia. Bit if he is blue that is wrong ofc.

My townreads are pretty solid I think. (Yes I realise my only towncase this game was on a redcheck)

So VE, Dmb, Palmar left (cuz rayn)

And then TTS who could be anything.


He also uses a lot of emo posts to save OATS


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On March 09 2024 03:46 Koshi wrote:
Oats got to say. You did everything right.
If people complain about effort in future games I will post your performance. Solid through entire game and this town has no balls. Yesterday I was proud to be in this town. Today I am ashamed.



This is also TMI, like how can you be so sure DP is town? LOL


Show nested quote +
On March 09 2024 07:33 Koshi wrote:
Worst math I have seen in a while.
If they have a framer, the chance they picked Oats is the only thing you need to calculate. Add the chance of a miller in there and you know the odds.

The chance they picked Oats is high because our cop decided to bold his fucking name in his reads post after claiming cop.

Chance of Slam not being town and cop is low.


Our blues and DP are so fucking bad that mafia has 1 rb and 3 blues to pick from.

So I guess 2 die tonight. And no tears will be shred.


Then we have these weird sequence
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2024 07:59 Koshi wrote:
Copcake mafia would explain the rayn kill I guess.


But when I questioned Rayn´s death

Show nested quote +
On March 09 2024 02:19 Koshi wrote:
On March 09 2024 02:08 CopCake wrote:
On March 09 2024 02:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 07 2024 14:06 CopCake wrote:
So in conclusion

oats is either mafia or miller. I would go mafia for Rayn’s death.

So

##vote: Oats

Hi cake, what is this?


Oh my bad, I forgot.

Why is rayns death important?



We also have Koshi calling me mafia many times

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On March 09 2024 08:00 Koshi wrote:
Also me being alive.
If cc and Oats are mafia I am basically playing for the mafia team.
Add in that I prevented a blue rayn from being Mayor.

Ohboi


Then


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On March 10 2024 18:54 Koshi wrote:
Lynching Copcake is a mistake.
I would prefer ve or anything else that is consistent from marv and rayn filter.


He is also this dead person said this BUT these are also better lynches.

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On March 11 2024 04:19 Koshi wrote:
Sandroba spent a decent amount of posts calling me mafia, Oats town and copcake mafia.

If we disregard those, not that much is left except that list I quoted earlier.

So VE+Rels is mafia.


"Only because Sandroba"

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On March 11 2024 04:26 Koshi wrote:
On March 11 2024 04:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 11 2024 04:15 Koshi wrote:
On March 11 2024 04:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 11 2024 04:02 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. This is the weirdest way to look into this matter. Were there too many townies on VE and are you doing damage control for when VE flips?

I really don't understand what you're reading here or why you think this is weird? I think VE is going to flip scum and I'm providing some of my thoughts as to why I think he will. I've been calling him scum most of the game. You're one of the ones who led the charge to have him lynched instead of oats yesterday.

I dont understand why you are saying there is scum on VE wagon to save oats.

I think the difference between us right now is that I'm scumreading copcake and you are not. But you also are currently scumreading me so essentially you believe the same thing that I do, that there are scum on the VE wagon yesterday.

There's also one scum left who I haven't fully figured out meanwhile you have decided it's me, DMB, and VE. I think you're wrong about DMB as well so yes, I'm definitely look at other VE voters from yesterday. Could be you, iamp, or maybe even Palmar.

VE Rels MZ DMB

All other reads are silly.
But if you really want to go there I guess
Koshi
JAT
CC (only cuz sandroba)
Palmar (only cuz rayn)

Idiotic reads would be:
iamp
Jacob
DP

I forgot other people


Dude... Stop making DEAD PEOPLE THE REASON OF YOUR LYNCHES

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On March 11 2024 04:32 Koshi wrote:
marv would also always lynched VE over cc.



Here he says that Darth barely posts if I understood correctly but another posts he says that should be Policy that Darth shoul not post a lot?



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On March 11 2024 04:38 Koshi wrote:
On March 11 2024 04:37 CopCake wrote:
On March 11 2024 04:28 Koshi wrote:
Ohyeah. Vivax is 1000% town. (Because the rbs are missing)
And then Jealous is pretty town as well. No reason to scumread him.


I think Darth is also pretty much clear, only way is if he was mafia vig that got roleblocked by vivax night one but considering he didnt move his vote from Oats and used the gunsmith a ability with TTS, that is clear town there.

Ohyeah. Him. Forgot he was in the game. He rarely posts.


Stop having dead people do your reads wtf, COME TO YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS
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On March 11 2024 08:44 Koshi wrote:
On March 11 2024 08:42 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 11 2024 08:40 Koshi wrote:
On March 11 2024 08:39 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 11 2024 08:37 Vivax wrote:
On March 11 2024 08:36 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 11 2024 08:34 Vivax wrote:
On March 11 2024 08:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 11 2024 08:27 Vivax wrote:
[quote]

Why don't you want to lynch Koshi?


There’s too many blues for a traitor to be in this game.


Doesn‘t that balance it out ?
Or your claim is fake.

I don‘t get your preference for Copcake over VE here.


Traitor is an anti mafia role.

Why do you think cake is town so strongly?


She‘s self voting over the obvious CW.
But I have time for better posts after work.

Traitor is an additional member they can gain how is it anti-mafia ?


I don’t believe self voting this early points to town.

She was upset. It wasnt fake.
She is town.


If you all get me of this lynch and I am correct that she is mafia I will blow my fucking top.

Only if VE isnt mafia.

Why go against rayn marv and sandroba to get this cc lynch?


I also noticed with his filter he called MZ several times scummy and suddenly trusts him so hard lol
but I am too lazy to go back and quote everything.

He also spends a lot of Time calling Rels mafia and suddenly

Show nested quote +
On March 11 2024 19:24 Koshi wrote:
Ok so Rels is town and played really good.




He also has stuff like this:


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On March 05 2024 06:36 Koshi wrote:
On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote:
So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.

Either way, not helpful.

I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at.
Going to hedge on sandro.
VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.

But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples.

i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die.
We shouldn't do tfrel first.

rayn or marv. Let's go big.



Some fun fact by one of our scummy confirmed mafia:

I was the first vote of the voting thread and it was Oats, second was Oats voting Slam, lol. Looks like that guy knew were to put his fangs because he was also being very creepy with DMB.

Oats wanted to mayor Koshi

Oats praised Koshi

Ok I am tired so

##Vote: Koshi








Pretty townie post, going for Koshi when she had her targets on Palmar/me previously, and that would be the easy thing to push. Most of the logic doesn't make sense of course
Why is DMB cleared?
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9641 Posts
March 14 2024 02:42 GMT
#7902
On March 14 2024 11:40 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2024 04:46 CopCake wrote:
This is the read in which DP is town

Night 1.-

+ Show Spoiler +
-Jacob gives a gun to DP (Confirmed)
That is understandable because Jacob loves DP and trusts him.
-Slam checks Oats (Confirmed)
-Rayn protected Slam according to Marv, and it fits. We know Marv was town so.
-Vivax Jailed DP
- Rayn died
- Sandro died

Conclusion: In my opinion, a mafia vig went for Slam, and Rayn saved him. This is not confirmed, but it is the most likely scenario. I also think Vivax was blocked during this phase. It is not confirmed, but it is very probable.

Night 2.-

+ Show Spoiler +
-DP shoots TTS (Confirmed)
- Vivax jails slam
- Slam dies
- Marv dies


Conclusion: In this case, it is very likely that Vivax got blocked (duh), and Slam died. This makes me very certain there is a roleblocker. Assuming there is a JK and a Confirmed JOAT, I think balance-wise, there should be a roleblocker, but that is my view of this world.


Following this idea (DP town) makes me believe that DP didn't get blocked because
1.- TTS was already getting grilled, and his inactivity would have made him go to the lynch pile instead of VE, perhaps. So, if he died, it was like, meh, besides, he was just "a goon."

2. The Mafia gambled and was very sure DP would shoot either a townie (DMB and I were the ones I remember he mentioned more, apparently I read somewhere he also mentioned VE?) because of how we had been acting the whole game—DP vs. Cake, Cake vs. DP.

Point 2 also makes me believe that a Mafia participated in the last game I played and saw the DP vs. Cake that happened there. They are pulling the strings to make us fight, and it doesn't help that my personality and DPs don't get along. It could be his paranoia or my stubbornness; who knows, but I think the Mafia is exploiting this in the worldview that DP is town.

Night 3

+ Show Spoiler +
- Jacob dies


This is a bit tricky because I will be assuming things according to what I have seen in the relationship between DP and Jacob so far in this game and the other. DP has shown a soft side for his Aussie boys, TTT and Jacob, who, regardless of whether Jacob is right on his reads according to DP or not in an opinion, DP would take a deep breath and try to think about Jacob's point of view.

In addition, Jacob's death does not add any new information to the thread except for confirming that he was the gunsmith and that the crazy theory that got planted of Jacob-DMB-DP does not exist. Most people were already assuming he was the gunsmith; tone-wise, Jacob sounded bubbly, adorable, free, and happy. His enthusiasm was pretty townie.

Nevertheless, why Jacob and not DP? DP has a more strong presence. This is from my POV, but it is because the mafia more likely wants DP vs Cake and that we fuck up.

Marv is an excellent player, and he was one of the people who said, "DP, Cake, please stop."
Jacob also was, "Cake, DP is town," and yesterday he said, "I think Cake is town DP."

Killing a confirmed blue role is not surprising. If they had killed DP, Jacob would have been confirmed. Killing Jacob doesn't confirm DP; that is why DP is alive if he is in town.

If DP is town, the mafia wants the rest of the townies to have paranoia over DP. Let's say DP gets to lynch me; I flip town; who looks BAD?

I would assume DP would get all fuck this shit, fuck you, cake, you played so scummy, fuck I need to rearrange my ideas. If he is town, I would believe he would get extremely frustrated and probably a bit - sad?, maybe - because I think he is like a big bear that is super deadly but also has this - soft - side. I mean, he is friends with Jacob, so I guess he is between TTT (who is super serious) and a little less bubbly and shiny than Jacob.


In this scenario, DMB is cleared. I also noticed that people act like vultures around her to see if she does something scummy.

So that leaves us with these reads from the top of my head. I want to filter dive them with scrutinity but who am I kidding? I might not be able to do it because - irl -

+ Show Spoiler +
Vivax: I think action activity from the night he is almost clear,
Jealous: This one is clouded because he makes me go with two emotions simultaneously. Bothers me a lot; he is like CAKE, HAVE YOU READ DPS GAME, CAKE WHERE ARE THE SCREENSHOTS, like I wasn't lying the I am sad thing, etc. I don't want to post anymore. So I cant read a neutral read. I mean he called me out and make a joke of me and jat being stupid for saying vivax could be mafia and now he is trying to recreate the world in which vivax is mafia, say what?
Meapak_Ziphh: I think he is town, this read is by tone and personality.
Palmar: I have said enough. But after filtering Koshi with scrutinity I am like ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
justanothertownie: He... exists?
Iamperfection: I think he is the most neutral one, trying to scum hunt, agressive in a nice way, there was this thing while reading Oats filter that he seemed also so obsessed with Iamperfection, idk if he was trying to pocket Iamp or what. Like the discussed, it wasnt all butterflies and agreements.
Koshi: This one is weird too because I dont know how to take his actions from my close lynch and after that. I also feel like I am a doll here, like a "I told you so she was town you fucking idiots" when I flip town if DP gets me lynched. After that he would try to "drive" the town.
Rels: The biggest problem I have with Rels is that he town reads me for the same reasons he scum reads me FROM THE SAME GAME; it should be one or the other. I also think, maybe? He tried to save me because my flip would give DP a new perspective of the game? Me being alive creates more chaos, I must admit.


So in conclusion:

Koshi/Rels/Someone

If DP is town, Koshi fits the "let us make DP and Cake fight" besides there are these posts

Koshi claims I am unreadable and then that he has read me once. If he cant read me how is he townreading me so hard atm?

On March 05 2024 05:24 Koshi wrote:
I am on page 25 right now and I am not getting anything out of it anymore.

Oats posts too much to be lynched today. I don't enjoy reading his posts but that doesn't make him mafia. I think he deserves time to develop his play due to activity.

Copcake is unreadable. I don't feel like she is hiding though. I just don't get what she is thinking yet.

tfrel I will filter right now. He is also in my null pile with all these people but the most in hiding.

Slam is being slam. Not going to go further into that. He can stay alive, but if rayn kills him I won't be upset.

mebaby made bad posts and a couple sensible posts after that doesn't change that. She is in red territory but won't be lynched most likely because she is active enough. (shouldn't be lynched d1 in such a big game imo)




On March 05 2024 06:06 Koshi wrote:
On March 05 2024 05:59 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 05 2024 05:57 Koshi wrote:
On March 05 2024 01:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sandroba what marv is telling you is true.

lol this is funny

On March 05 2024 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 05 2024 01:51 iamperfection wrote:
I do find it odd marv isn't posting in the thread

I told a couple of hours ago to him that people are gonna scumread him for playing the game only in discord with 2 mason chats ^^

If mafia makes me mayor. I am willing to shoot marv.
Just putting that out there.

0 fucks would be given.


Great way to not end up as mayor.

Koshi can I have a list post? Doesn’t need to be everyone just enough so that I can see where your head is at

page 36 and too angry to continue.

But

town:
iamp cuz town best time was in the first pages and he was a driving factor.
dp: I wrote 'good interpretation of DP vs Oats' but that seems incorrect. That being said. I don't dislike your copcake stuff but I haven't read it because it doesn't spark anything in me. I am pretty sure I read copcake really good of one of her first posts in a previous game because she backtracked on a story after being called out. So I am waiting on her to fuck up. She is just playing a different game as me here, but not in a bad way.
Vivax I like him
MZ Ugly posts, but I can see him being town and him finding his way

Null
Oats

Mafia
DMB because bad start
TheNewGuy because I don't like that entrance
Tfrel because reasoning given. Too safe.
marv because he can die




Here he tells me DP mafia, later he says DP is town. Just remember this.


On March 07 2024 05:43 Koshi wrote:
On March 06 2024 14:05 CopCake wrote:
On March 06 2024 13:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Its completely unreasonable to think those people are mafia for lynching Trfel unless you think Palmar is 100% mafia.


My theory is that they wanted Tfrel out of the equation. I honestly do not know where to place Palmar there.

Ie. Koshi wanted to lynch Tfrel but he respected other people’s view on him he contained (even mine)

Here, we have vivax who called tfrel bad and mafia many times for not being active when I proved that Tfrel is not a spammer.

🤷🏽‍♀️

They only started the wagon because DP came in. DP knows about Tfrel good reads.

It also bugs me a lot that Tfrel HAVE talked about his mental health issues before and there are several active TL frequent posters who know that.

I have never also found Vivax to be pedantic? And in this game it feels so. He tends to fight the status quo but not here.


Vivax is never mafia. He is too active, too funny and he is making really good observations.
The other 2 are fair game if you want to pursue them.
I think DP could be mafia. We should limit his posts to 60 for D2. If he does more we policy lynch him.
I think he very well could be mafia shitting up this thread.




Here I was considering why Mafia didnt kill Slam, but Koshi threw the shade of - Slam might be not blue and lied - to protect Oats?


On March 08 2024 02:28 Koshi wrote:
On March 08 2024 02:24 CopCake wrote:
On March 08 2024 02:23 Koshi wrote:
If you want my opinion:
rayn: because ve and or Palmar are mafia. I think mafia wouldn't kill rayn over marv if it wasnt the reads. Marv has way more pull in the thread. (Supertinfoil. Cuz marv is mafia and rayn claimed to him)

I forgot thz second kill lol. I am going insane.


You need to consider Mafia either didnt believe Slam´s claim or were more afraid of Rayn / Sandro

Yeah. Why not shoot slam.
Would mafia have known rayn was blue? Because that would make it less likely slam also is blue?

But then marv is mafia.




Here he thinks DP is town (Remember when he told me DP could be mafia) and comments about me like yeah cake is townie but she can be traitor

On March 08 2024 17:11 Koshi wrote:
On March 08 2024 10:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax I helped you become mayor, so I feel I have a responsibility to keep you on track.

So when you do dumb shit I am going to block you every time until I die.

If you don't want to lynch Oats today that is fine, I will lynch Cake who is confirmed fucking mafia and then we can lynch oats tomorrow.

You may be mayor right now but i am in control of this fucking thread.

CC is not mafia. Worst case she is traitor and played very cool D1.


but at the same time, inmediatly considers Jacob not Gunsmith? If you read DP town, shouldnt Koshi consider Jacob lock town there? Here he also says OATS needs to die but later does everything to save him.


On March 08 2024 17:18 Koshi wrote:
On March 08 2024 17:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 08 2024 17:11 Koshi wrote:
On March 08 2024 10:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax I helped you become mayor, so I feel I have a responsibility to keep you on track.

So when you do dumb shit I am going to block you every time until I die.

If you don't want to lynch Oats today that is fine, I will lynch Cake who is confirmed fucking mafia and then we can lynch oats tomorrow.

You may be mayor right now but i am in control of this fucking thread.

CC is not mafia. Worst case she is traitor and played very cool D1.

Koshi talk to me, where are you at right now

You have to die because I am too time constrained to reread and get invested.
I am quite clueless this game. Those names I posted earlier are my choices but I dont have good reasons. It's more PoE.
MZ I think is mafia. Really think he is faking activity when he is here. And he has some towntells he didnt show. (Rage after lynch)
Rels is playing a safe scumgame and will be very hard to lynch.
Is Jacob confirmed blue gunsmith? Because I also think he might be mafia. Bit if he is blue that is wrong ofc.

My townreads are pretty solid I think. (Yes I realise my only towncase this game was on a redcheck)

So VE, Dmb, Palmar left (cuz rayn)

And then TTS who could be anything.


He also uses a lot of emo posts to save OATS


On March 09 2024 03:46 Koshi wrote:
Oats got to say. You did everything right.
If people complain about effort in future games I will post your performance. Solid through entire game and this town has no balls. Yesterday I was proud to be in this town. Today I am ashamed.



This is also TMI, like how can you be so sure DP is town? LOL


On March 09 2024 07:33 Koshi wrote:
Worst math I have seen in a while.
If they have a framer, the chance they picked Oats is the only thing you need to calculate. Add the chance of a miller in there and you know the odds.

The chance they picked Oats is high because our cop decided to bold his fucking name in his reads post after claiming cop.

Chance of Slam not being town and cop is low.


Our blues and DP are so fucking bad that mafia has 1 rb and 3 blues to pick from.

So I guess 2 die tonight. And no tears will be shred.


Then we have these weird sequence
On March 09 2024 07:59 Koshi wrote:
Copcake mafia would explain the rayn kill I guess.


But when I questioned Rayn´s death

On March 09 2024 02:19 Koshi wrote:
On March 09 2024 02:08 CopCake wrote:
On March 09 2024 02:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 07 2024 14:06 CopCake wrote:
So in conclusion

oats is either mafia or miller. I would go mafia for Rayn’s death.

So

##vote: Oats

Hi cake, what is this?


Oh my bad, I forgot.

Why is rayns death important?



We also have Koshi calling me mafia many times

On March 09 2024 08:00 Koshi wrote:
Also me being alive.
If cc and Oats are mafia I am basically playing for the mafia team.
Add in that I prevented a blue rayn from being Mayor.

Ohboi


Then


On March 10 2024 18:54 Koshi wrote:
Lynching Copcake is a mistake.
I would prefer ve or anything else that is consistent from marv and rayn filter.


He is also this dead person said this BUT these are also better lynches.

On March 11 2024 04:19 Koshi wrote:
Sandroba spent a decent amount of posts calling me mafia, Oats town and copcake mafia.

If we disregard those, not that much is left except that list I quoted earlier.

So VE+Rels is mafia.


"Only because Sandroba"

On March 11 2024 04:26 Koshi wrote:
On March 11 2024 04:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 11 2024 04:15 Koshi wrote:
On March 11 2024 04:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 11 2024 04:02 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. This is the weirdest way to look into this matter. Were there too many townies on VE and are you doing damage control for when VE flips?

I really don't understand what you're reading here or why you think this is weird? I think VE is going to flip scum and I'm providing some of my thoughts as to why I think he will. I've been calling him scum most of the game. You're one of the ones who led the charge to have him lynched instead of oats yesterday.

I dont understand why you are saying there is scum on VE wagon to save oats.

I think the difference between us right now is that I'm scumreading copcake and you are not. But you also are currently scumreading me so essentially you believe the same thing that I do, that there are scum on the VE wagon yesterday.

There's also one scum left who I haven't fully figured out meanwhile you have decided it's me, DMB, and VE. I think you're wrong about DMB as well so yes, I'm definitely look at other VE voters from yesterday. Could be you, iamp, or maybe even Palmar.

VE Rels MZ DMB

All other reads are silly.
But if you really want to go there I guess
Koshi
JAT
CC (only cuz sandroba)
Palmar (only cuz rayn)

Idiotic reads would be:
iamp
Jacob
DP

I forgot other people


Dude... Stop making DEAD PEOPLE THE REASON OF YOUR LYNCHES

On March 11 2024 04:32 Koshi wrote:
marv would also always lynched VE over cc.



Here he says that Darth barely posts if I understood correctly but another posts he says that should be Policy that Darth shoul not post a lot?



On March 11 2024 04:38 Koshi wrote:
On March 11 2024 04:37 CopCake wrote:
On March 11 2024 04:28 Koshi wrote:
Ohyeah. Vivax is 1000% town. (Because the rbs are missing)
And then Jealous is pretty town as well. No reason to scumread him.


I think Darth is also pretty much clear, only way is if he was mafia vig that got roleblocked by vivax night one but considering he didnt move his vote from Oats and used the gunsmith a ability with TTS, that is clear town there.

Ohyeah. Him. Forgot he was in the game. He rarely posts.


Stop having dead people do your reads wtf, COME TO YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS
On March 11 2024 08:44 Koshi wrote:
On March 11 2024 08:42 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 11 2024 08:40 Koshi wrote:
On March 11 2024 08:39 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 11 2024 08:37 Vivax wrote:
On March 11 2024 08:36 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 11 2024 08:34 Vivax wrote:
On March 11 2024 08:31 DarthPunk wrote:
[quote]

There’s too many blues for a traitor to be in this game.


Doesn‘t that balance it out ?
Or your claim is fake.

I don‘t get your preference for Copcake over VE here.


Traitor is an anti mafia role.

Why do you think cake is town so strongly?


She‘s self voting over the obvious CW.
But I have time for better posts after work.

Traitor is an additional member they can gain how is it anti-mafia ?


I don’t believe self voting this early points to town.

She was upset. It wasnt fake.
She is town.


If you all get me of this lynch and I am correct that she is mafia I will blow my fucking top.

Only if VE isnt mafia.

Why go against rayn marv and sandroba to get this cc lynch?


I also noticed with his filter he called MZ several times scummy and suddenly trusts him so hard lol
but I am too lazy to go back and quote everything.

He also spends a lot of Time calling Rels mafia and suddenly

On March 11 2024 19:24 Koshi wrote:
Ok so Rels is town and played really good.




He also has stuff like this:


On March 05 2024 06:36 Koshi wrote:
On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote:
So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.

Either way, not helpful.

I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at.
Going to hedge on sandro.
VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.

But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples.

i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die.
We shouldn't do tfrel first.

rayn or marv. Let's go big.



Some fun fact by one of our scummy confirmed mafia:

I was the first vote of the voting thread and it was Oats, second was Oats voting Slam, lol. Looks like that guy knew were to put his fangs because he was also being very creepy with DMB.

Oats wanted to mayor Koshi

Oats praised Koshi

Ok I am tired so

##Vote: Koshi








Pretty townie post, going for Koshi when she had her targets on Palmar/me previously, and that would be the easy thing to push. Most of the logic doesn't make sense of course
Why is DMB cleared?

look like 20 min later its immediately dropped.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
die_meatbaby
Profile Joined May 2023
Colombia1344 Posts
March 14 2024 02:42 GMT
#7903
On March 14 2024 11:33 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2024 11:30 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 14 2024 11:17 Rels wrote:
On March 14 2024 11:06 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 14 2024 10:59 Rels wrote:
On March 14 2024 10:56 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 14 2024 10:49 Rels wrote:
On March 14 2024 10:47 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 14 2024 10:41 Rels wrote:
On March 13 2024 17:13 DarthPunk wrote:
[quote]

This posts strikes me as really townie.

Just the natural paranoia and thought that went into it that only really works from a town perspective.


How does that fit with this at deadline:
On March 13 2024 12:05 die_meatbaby wrote:
Who will make an erotic summary of the last day? That was the reason why I opened Tl in the morning, full of anticipation!

Btw i am in a mason chat



yeah i complaind about the mason stuff and of course I get it on the next day




Why did you claim it?


why not? they told me actually a good reason about mason. As Town you don´t have do hide, so why should I?

I masoned CC for a good reason. Maybe to have a privat Teaparty with her makes it easier for me to understand what she is.
I just got kinda paranoia about the mason if somebody would mason me and turn the truth around, because nobody can see the actuall mason chat until the game is over.

What post made you change your mind?


as I wrote I don´t have to hide with the mason chat. even if somebody turns my words around and claims bullshit in the thread it´s bad for them as well
and Dp rembering me that I may be a bit to parnoid about the mason

So what is wrong about me telling Town that I am the mason of today?????????

??? Who cares what I think about it? You're the one that said it would be a bad thing to claim, and then did it 12 hours later. That's what I'm pressing you on

I don't understand your answer. What do you mean, "as I wrote"? What post you wrote are you referring to?


#7864
You ask why i claimed

#7871
I answer!

#7872
you ask again what made me change my mind

I already wrote it in #7871
it´s standing in the quotes as well.

Sorry should i mark it for you from the quote in comic sans, capslook, pt/front size 5000, underline and make it shine like a rainbow?? this is not a word document sorry pas possible!


The "pas possible" made me laugh
Don't have enough time if you don't want to cooperate by linking or quoting the post that made you change your mind, will revisit later


I already marked it in the quote when I answerd but of course a mole can´t see it.

On March 13 2024 00:45 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

If you're town and you get whispered there's absolutely zero reason not to share with the town what happens in it. More information is always helpful. If you're a townie and you are the whisperer you should also share who you whispered and also why you did it. I whispered Palmar to try and solidify my reads of him. That didn't work out as planned but I still tried to share whatever info I got with the town.

There is no reason not to share with the town and hiding information only serves to make both people look bad.


[/QUOTE]

This posts strikes me as really townie.

Just the natural paranoia and thought that went into it that only really works from a town perspective.

[/QUOTE]
Everything has an end only the sausage has two
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 14 2024 02:42 GMT
#7904
@iamperfection

Commented on JAT just earlier
100% agree on this: "Now palmar says he dosnt really read the thread that he just shows hes around interacts and develops reads. I dont really feel like has done that all in this game"
MZ is on my reread list, I thought his D2 was super townie at the time so any scumpoints towards him would have to beat that
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9641 Posts
March 14 2024 02:42 GMT
#7905
which i cant wrap my head around
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 14 2024 02:43 GMT
#7906
On March 14 2024 11:36 Rels wrote:
I'm at page 385 (10 to go!). JAT seems very reasonnable every time he posts, I can see why he would post this from a townie perspective in his posts. That's not a confirmed town point as I think he's a pretty good scum, but that's something. I also remember a few posts where we basically had the same thoughts. The reactions to the 3 VE cases come to mind, and I know they are others, can't remember them off the top of my head

Putting this out there since he's getting pushed


He is not doing anything except thread police though.


The best reason to have him town is that the pressure I put on him day one to move his vote to trfel over palmar he just refused basicallly until Marv gave him permission.

If JAT is scum why does he care about which townie to lynch.

The further we get away from that though the less it matters.

Maybe he was just trying to pocket Marv who knows.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 14 2024 02:44 GMT
#7907
On March 14 2024 11:42 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2024 11:40 Rels wrote:
On March 14 2024 04:46 CopCake wrote:
This is the read in which DP is town

Night 1.-

+ Show Spoiler +
-Jacob gives a gun to DP (Confirmed)
That is understandable because Jacob loves DP and trusts him.
-Slam checks Oats (Confirmed)
-Rayn protected Slam according to Marv, and it fits. We know Marv was town so.
-Vivax Jailed DP
- Rayn died
- Sandro died

Conclusion: In my opinion, a mafia vig went for Slam, and Rayn saved him. This is not confirmed, but it is the most likely scenario. I also think Vivax was blocked during this phase. It is not confirmed, but it is very probable.

Night 2.-

+ Show Spoiler +
-DP shoots TTS (Confirmed)
- Vivax jails slam
- Slam dies
- Marv dies


Conclusion: In this case, it is very likely that Vivax got blocked (duh), and Slam died. This makes me very certain there is a roleblocker. Assuming there is a JK and a Confirmed JOAT, I think balance-wise, there should be a roleblocker, but that is my view of this world.


Following this idea (DP town) makes me believe that DP didn't get blocked because
1.- TTS was already getting grilled, and his inactivity would have made him go to the lynch pile instead of VE, perhaps. So, if he died, it was like, meh, besides, he was just "a goon."

2. The Mafia gambled and was very sure DP would shoot either a townie (DMB and I were the ones I remember he mentioned more, apparently I read somewhere he also mentioned VE?) because of how we had been acting the whole game—DP vs. Cake, Cake vs. DP.

Point 2 also makes me believe that a Mafia participated in the last game I played and saw the DP vs. Cake that happened there. They are pulling the strings to make us fight, and it doesn't help that my personality and DPs don't get along. It could be his paranoia or my stubbornness; who knows, but I think the Mafia is exploiting this in the worldview that DP is town.

Night 3

+ Show Spoiler +
- Jacob dies


This is a bit tricky because I will be assuming things according to what I have seen in the relationship between DP and Jacob so far in this game and the other. DP has shown a soft side for his Aussie boys, TTT and Jacob, who, regardless of whether Jacob is right on his reads according to DP or not in an opinion, DP would take a deep breath and try to think about Jacob's point of view.

In addition, Jacob's death does not add any new information to the thread except for confirming that he was the gunsmith and that the crazy theory that got planted of Jacob-DMB-DP does not exist. Most people were already assuming he was the gunsmith; tone-wise, Jacob sounded bubbly, adorable, free, and happy. His enthusiasm was pretty townie.

Nevertheless, why Jacob and not DP? DP has a more strong presence. This is from my POV, but it is because the mafia more likely wants DP vs Cake and that we fuck up.

Marv is an excellent player, and he was one of the people who said, "DP, Cake, please stop."
Jacob also was, "Cake, DP is town," and yesterday he said, "I think Cake is town DP."

Killing a confirmed blue role is not surprising. If they had killed DP, Jacob would have been confirmed. Killing Jacob doesn't confirm DP; that is why DP is alive if he is in town.

If DP is town, the mafia wants the rest of the townies to have paranoia over DP. Let's say DP gets to lynch me; I flip town; who looks BAD?

I would assume DP would get all fuck this shit, fuck you, cake, you played so scummy, fuck I need to rearrange my ideas. If he is town, I would believe he would get extremely frustrated and probably a bit - sad?, maybe - because I think he is like a big bear that is super deadly but also has this - soft - side. I mean, he is friends with Jacob, so I guess he is between TTT (who is super serious) and a little less bubbly and shiny than Jacob.


In this scenario, DMB is cleared. I also noticed that people act like vultures around her to see if she does something scummy.

So that leaves us with these reads from the top of my head. I want to filter dive them with scrutinity but who am I kidding? I might not be able to do it because - irl -

+ Show Spoiler +
Vivax: I think action activity from the night he is almost clear,
Jealous: This one is clouded because he makes me go with two emotions simultaneously. Bothers me a lot; he is like CAKE, HAVE YOU READ DPS GAME, CAKE WHERE ARE THE SCREENSHOTS, like I wasn't lying the I am sad thing, etc. I don't want to post anymore. So I cant read a neutral read. I mean he called me out and make a joke of me and jat being stupid for saying vivax could be mafia and now he is trying to recreate the world in which vivax is mafia, say what?
Meapak_Ziphh: I think he is town, this read is by tone and personality.
Palmar: I have said enough. But after filtering Koshi with scrutinity I am like ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
justanothertownie: He... exists?
Iamperfection: I think he is the most neutral one, trying to scum hunt, agressive in a nice way, there was this thing while reading Oats filter that he seemed also so obsessed with Iamperfection, idk if he was trying to pocket Iamp or what. Like the discussed, it wasnt all butterflies and agreements.
Koshi: This one is weird too because I dont know how to take his actions from my close lynch and after that. I also feel like I am a doll here, like a "I told you so she was town you fucking idiots" when I flip town if DP gets me lynched. After that he would try to "drive" the town.
Rels: The biggest problem I have with Rels is that he town reads me for the same reasons he scum reads me FROM THE SAME GAME; it should be one or the other. I also think, maybe? He tried to save me because my flip would give DP a new perspective of the game? Me being alive creates more chaos, I must admit.


So in conclusion:

Koshi/Rels/Someone

If DP is town, Koshi fits the "let us make DP and Cake fight" besides there are these posts

Koshi claims I am unreadable and then that he has read me once. If he cant read me how is he townreading me so hard atm?

On March 05 2024 05:24 Koshi wrote:
I am on page 25 right now and I am not getting anything out of it anymore.

Oats posts too much to be lynched today. I don't enjoy reading his posts but that doesn't make him mafia. I think he deserves time to develop his play due to activity.

Copcake is unreadable. I don't feel like she is hiding though. I just don't get what she is thinking yet.

tfrel I will filter right now. He is also in my null pile with all these people but the most in hiding.

Slam is being slam. Not going to go further into that. He can stay alive, but if rayn kills him I won't be upset.

mebaby made bad posts and a couple sensible posts after that doesn't change that. She is in red territory but won't be lynched most likely because she is active enough. (shouldn't be lynched d1 in such a big game imo)




On March 05 2024 06:06 Koshi wrote:
On March 05 2024 05:59 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 05 2024 05:57 Koshi wrote:
On March 05 2024 01:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sandroba what marv is telling you is true.

lol this is funny

On March 05 2024 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 05 2024 01:51 iamperfection wrote:
I do find it odd marv isn't posting in the thread

I told a couple of hours ago to him that people are gonna scumread him for playing the game only in discord with 2 mason chats ^^

If mafia makes me mayor. I am willing to shoot marv.
Just putting that out there.

0 fucks would be given.


Great way to not end up as mayor.

Koshi can I have a list post? Doesn’t need to be everyone just enough so that I can see where your head is at

page 36 and too angry to continue.

But

town:
iamp cuz town best time was in the first pages and he was a driving factor.
dp: I wrote 'good interpretation of DP vs Oats' but that seems incorrect. That being said. I don't dislike your copcake stuff but I haven't read it because it doesn't spark anything in me. I am pretty sure I read copcake really good of one of her first posts in a previous game because she backtracked on a story after being called out. So I am waiting on her to fuck up. She is just playing a different game as me here, but not in a bad way.
Vivax I like him
MZ Ugly posts, but I can see him being town and him finding his way

Null
Oats

Mafia
DMB because bad start
TheNewGuy because I don't like that entrance
Tfrel because reasoning given. Too safe.
marv because he can die




Here he tells me DP mafia, later he says DP is town. Just remember this.


On March 07 2024 05:43 Koshi wrote:
On March 06 2024 14:05 CopCake wrote:
On March 06 2024 13:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Its completely unreasonable to think those people are mafia for lynching Trfel unless you think Palmar is 100% mafia.


My theory is that they wanted Tfrel out of the equation. I honestly do not know where to place Palmar there.

Ie. Koshi wanted to lynch Tfrel but he respected other people’s view on him he contained (even mine)

Here, we have vivax who called tfrel bad and mafia many times for not being active when I proved that Tfrel is not a spammer.

🤷🏽‍♀️

They only started the wagon because DP came in. DP knows about Tfrel good reads.

It also bugs me a lot that Tfrel HAVE talked about his mental health issues before and there are several active TL frequent posters who know that.

I have never also found Vivax to be pedantic? And in this game it feels so. He tends to fight the status quo but not here.


Vivax is never mafia. He is too active, too funny and he is making really good observations.
The other 2 are fair game if you want to pursue them.
I think DP could be mafia. We should limit his posts to 60 for D2. If he does more we policy lynch him.
I think he very well could be mafia shitting up this thread.




Here I was considering why Mafia didnt kill Slam, but Koshi threw the shade of - Slam might be not blue and lied - to protect Oats?


On March 08 2024 02:28 Koshi wrote:
On March 08 2024 02:24 CopCake wrote:
On March 08 2024 02:23 Koshi wrote:
If you want my opinion:
rayn: because ve and or Palmar are mafia. I think mafia wouldn't kill rayn over marv if it wasnt the reads. Marv has way more pull in the thread. (Supertinfoil. Cuz marv is mafia and rayn claimed to him)

I forgot thz second kill lol. I am going insane.


You need to consider Mafia either didnt believe Slam´s claim or were more afraid of Rayn / Sandro

Yeah. Why not shoot slam.
Would mafia have known rayn was blue? Because that would make it less likely slam also is blue?

But then marv is mafia.




Here he thinks DP is town (Remember when he told me DP could be mafia) and comments about me like yeah cake is townie but she can be traitor

On March 08 2024 17:11 Koshi wrote:
On March 08 2024 10:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax I helped you become mayor, so I feel I have a responsibility to keep you on track.

So when you do dumb shit I am going to block you every time until I die.

If you don't want to lynch Oats today that is fine, I will lynch Cake who is confirmed fucking mafia and then we can lynch oats tomorrow.

You may be mayor right now but i am in control of this fucking thread.

CC is not mafia. Worst case she is traitor and played very cool D1.


but at the same time, inmediatly considers Jacob not Gunsmith? If you read DP town, shouldnt Koshi consider Jacob lock town there? Here he also says OATS needs to die but later does everything to save him.


On March 08 2024 17:18 Koshi wrote:
On March 08 2024 17:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 08 2024 17:11 Koshi wrote:
On March 08 2024 10:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax I helped you become mayor, so I feel I have a responsibility to keep you on track.

So when you do dumb shit I am going to block you every time until I die.

If you don't want to lynch Oats today that is fine, I will lynch Cake who is confirmed fucking mafia and then we can lynch oats tomorrow.

You may be mayor right now but i am in control of this fucking thread.

CC is not mafia. Worst case she is traitor and played very cool D1.

Koshi talk to me, where are you at right now

You have to die because I am too time constrained to reread and get invested.
I am quite clueless this game. Those names I posted earlier are my choices but I dont have good reasons. It's more PoE.
MZ I think is mafia. Really think he is faking activity when he is here. And he has some towntells he didnt show. (Rage after lynch)
Rels is playing a safe scumgame and will be very hard to lynch.
Is Jacob confirmed blue gunsmith? Because I also think he might be mafia. Bit if he is blue that is wrong ofc.

My townreads are pretty solid I think. (Yes I realise my only towncase this game was on a redcheck)

So VE, Dmb, Palmar left (cuz rayn)

And then TTS who could be anything.


He also uses a lot of emo posts to save OATS


On March 09 2024 03:46 Koshi wrote:
Oats got to say. You did everything right.
If people complain about effort in future games I will post your performance. Solid through entire game and this town has no balls. Yesterday I was proud to be in this town. Today I am ashamed.



This is also TMI, like how can you be so sure DP is town? LOL


On March 09 2024 07:33 Koshi wrote:
Worst math I have seen in a while.
If they have a framer, the chance they picked Oats is the only thing you need to calculate. Add the chance of a miller in there and you know the odds.

The chance they picked Oats is high because our cop decided to bold his fucking name in his reads post after claiming cop.

Chance of Slam not being town and cop is low.


Our blues and DP are so fucking bad that mafia has 1 rb and 3 blues to pick from.

So I guess 2 die tonight. And no tears will be shred.


Then we have these weird sequence
On March 09 2024 07:59 Koshi wrote:
Copcake mafia would explain the rayn kill I guess.


But when I questioned Rayn´s death

On March 09 2024 02:19 Koshi wrote:
On March 09 2024 02:08 CopCake wrote:
On March 09 2024 02:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 07 2024 14:06 CopCake wrote:
So in conclusion

oats is either mafia or miller. I would go mafia for Rayn’s death.

So

##vote: Oats

Hi cake, what is this?


Oh my bad, I forgot.

Why is rayns death important?



We also have Koshi calling me mafia many times

On March 09 2024 08:00 Koshi wrote:
Also me being alive.
If cc and Oats are mafia I am basically playing for the mafia team.
Add in that I prevented a blue rayn from being Mayor.

Ohboi


Then


On March 10 2024 18:54 Koshi wrote:
Lynching Copcake is a mistake.
I would prefer ve or anything else that is consistent from marv and rayn filter.


He is also this dead person said this BUT these are also better lynches.

On March 11 2024 04:19 Koshi wrote:
Sandroba spent a decent amount of posts calling me mafia, Oats town and copcake mafia.

If we disregard those, not that much is left except that list I quoted earlier.

So VE+Rels is mafia.


"Only because Sandroba"

On March 11 2024 04:26 Koshi wrote:
On March 11 2024 04:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 11 2024 04:15 Koshi wrote:
On March 11 2024 04:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 11 2024 04:02 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. This is the weirdest way to look into this matter. Were there too many townies on VE and are you doing damage control for when VE flips?

I really don't understand what you're reading here or why you think this is weird? I think VE is going to flip scum and I'm providing some of my thoughts as to why I think he will. I've been calling him scum most of the game. You're one of the ones who led the charge to have him lynched instead of oats yesterday.

I dont understand why you are saying there is scum on VE wagon to save oats.

I think the difference between us right now is that I'm scumreading copcake and you are not. But you also are currently scumreading me so essentially you believe the same thing that I do, that there are scum on the VE wagon yesterday.

There's also one scum left who I haven't fully figured out meanwhile you have decided it's me, DMB, and VE. I think you're wrong about DMB as well so yes, I'm definitely look at other VE voters from yesterday. Could be you, iamp, or maybe even Palmar.

VE Rels MZ DMB

All other reads are silly.
But if you really want to go there I guess
Koshi
JAT
CC (only cuz sandroba)
Palmar (only cuz rayn)

Idiotic reads would be:
iamp
Jacob
DP

I forgot other people


Dude... Stop making DEAD PEOPLE THE REASON OF YOUR LYNCHES

On March 11 2024 04:32 Koshi wrote:
marv would also always lynched VE over cc.



Here he says that Darth barely posts if I understood correctly but another posts he says that should be Policy that Darth shoul not post a lot?



On March 11 2024 04:38 Koshi wrote:
On March 11 2024 04:37 CopCake wrote:
On March 11 2024 04:28 Koshi wrote:
Ohyeah. Vivax is 1000% town. (Because the rbs are missing)
And then Jealous is pretty town as well. No reason to scumread him.


I think Darth is also pretty much clear, only way is if he was mafia vig that got roleblocked by vivax night one but considering he didnt move his vote from Oats and used the gunsmith a ability with TTS, that is clear town there.

Ohyeah. Him. Forgot he was in the game. He rarely posts.


Stop having dead people do your reads wtf, COME TO YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS
On March 11 2024 08:44 Koshi wrote:
On March 11 2024 08:42 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 11 2024 08:40 Koshi wrote:
On March 11 2024 08:39 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 11 2024 08:37 Vivax wrote:
On March 11 2024 08:36 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 11 2024 08:34 Vivax wrote:
[quote]

Doesn‘t that balance it out ?
Or your claim is fake.

I don‘t get your preference for Copcake over VE here.


Traitor is an anti mafia role.

Why do you think cake is town so strongly?


She‘s self voting over the obvious CW.
But I have time for better posts after work.

Traitor is an additional member they can gain how is it anti-mafia ?


I don’t believe self voting this early points to town.

She was upset. It wasnt fake.
She is town.


If you all get me of this lynch and I am correct that she is mafia I will blow my fucking top.

Only if VE isnt mafia.

Why go against rayn marv and sandroba to get this cc lynch?


I also noticed with his filter he called MZ several times scummy and suddenly trusts him so hard lol
but I am too lazy to go back and quote everything.

He also spends a lot of Time calling Rels mafia and suddenly

On March 11 2024 19:24 Koshi wrote:
Ok so Rels is town and played really good.




He also has stuff like this:


On March 05 2024 06:36 Koshi wrote:
On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote:
So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.

Either way, not helpful.

I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at.
Going to hedge on sandro.
VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.

But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples.

i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die.
We shouldn't do tfrel first.

rayn or marv. Let's go big.



Some fun fact by one of our scummy confirmed mafia:

I was the first vote of the voting thread and it was Oats, second was Oats voting Slam, lol. Looks like that guy knew were to put his fangs because he was also being very creepy with DMB.

Oats wanted to mayor Koshi

Oats praised Koshi

Ok I am tired so

##Vote: Koshi








Pretty townie post, going for Koshi when she had her targets on Palmar/me previously, and that would be the easy thing to push. Most of the logic doesn't make sense of course
Why is DMB cleared?

look like 20 min later its immediately dropped.

Thanks for the spoiler!
die_meatbaby
Profile Joined May 2023
Colombia1344 Posts
March 14 2024 02:45 GMT
#7908
On March 14 2024 11:42 iamperfection wrote:
which i cant wrap my head around


happy Birthday
Everything has an end only the sausage has two
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9641 Posts
March 14 2024 02:45 GMT
#7909
On March 14 2024 11:45 die_meatbaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2024 11:42 iamperfection wrote:
which i cant wrap my head around


happy Birthday

tomorrow
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9641 Posts
March 14 2024 02:46 GMT
#7910
can you read my big post dmb
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 14 2024 02:46 GMT
#7911
On March 14 2024 11:38 iamperfection wrote:
A lot of things have bothered me today. Copcake makes a case on Koshi and then just almost instantly drops it just because Jat says thats how koshi plays and then votes palmar. Why does cop just accept as true it confuses me. Meapak_Ziphh comes back after 19 hours says hes too tired to be bothered to do anything but he has found scum? and is somehow not voting????

I keep hearing this idiotic comment that marv said palmar is 90% likely to be town. I get it you guys all worship marv but his word isnt gospel and he very well would probably be saying different things if he was still alive its day 4 now marv died in night 2.

Palmar really bothers me. He calls me scum because i have just been around not doing anything?? Like i said earlier you can say a lot of things about me but not engaged and not in the thick of things is certainly not one of them. I exposed the mason circle and tried to get reads from it. I correctly deduced that Rayn had to be town from the way he used it and almost immediately tried to make him mayor for it. Right or wrong i was screaming at the top of my longs to lynch tryfel it was wrong but so what. I have constantly been directing and calling out actions. I literally hammered VE in a quest for personal glory it backfired so what. To say i have been just around is objectively wrong.

Now palmar says he dosnt really read the thread that he just shows hes around interacts and develops reads. I dont really feel like has done that all in this game. I think if anyone with a quarter of a brain which ill grant palmar he has a quarter of a brain could easily use meta to see i am town. This would be by FAR the largest filter i have ever had as mafia. I would also say i am much less emotional as mafia and much more reserved. My style as town requires me to post a ton and usually in quick succession. Thats why i will have mind melds which happened earlier with marv where we said the same thing. As mafia that is extremely hard for me to replicate. At least for a long period. Also as mafia its very hard for me to long posts like this were i have to fake my thoughts i just have hard time to do it. So those long list posts and posts were i collect my thoughts like i had earlier and this one quite frankly are hard for me to do. I dont think palmar is trying figure out my alignment because he is being bad or more likely just mafia.

Now do i think JAT could possibly be mafia. Yes its possible he had a post earlier where he almost knew that koshi was mafia. {but iamperfection you said earlier that koshi is likely town) well first of all stfu second there is a diffrence between knowing and thinking.

Show nested quote +
On March 14 2024 04:32 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 14 2024 04:30 iamperfection wrote:
On March 14 2024 04:28 Koshi wrote:
On March 12 2024 12:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Man what the fuck.

This game is going to be extremely hard if townies are gonna self-vote, I feel like that's playing against your wincon. I absolutely hate martyring so pointlessly. I think that was still 100% the right lynch.

And now we're gonna have to solve the copcake problem since she did exactly the same thing. She voted herself and peaced out when the vote was 7-4 with VE in the lead. Her vote made it 6-5, still with VE in the lead. She showed no problems with leaving her vote on randos the previous two days, and if she was scum, she had a safe place to park her vote on VE or a rando as nobody would have scumread her any harder than they already were for voting to save herself. Now granted, she didn't hammer herself, the closest she ever got was 7-6 against her 2 hours later. So, did town!cake just rage quit in the exact same manner that VE did? Or did scum!cake take a gamble, not realizing how close it was going to get? If it's the second option, Rel's desperation to save her pretty much guarantees him as scum in my eyes, but I still don't know if I can wrap my head around scum!cake doing that because the vote is so close I'd argue that's pretty close to intentionally throwing. Or maybe it's all #bigplays that I'm too stupid to understand.

I have a decent amount of thread to fully catch up on after just skimming to get through it, I focused more on the voting thread to try and figure out wtf both VE and cake were doing. I'm not surprised to see there were more shenanigans by certain people. I will also have a go at reading VE's filter although idk if there's much of a point.

What a town hero does. Analyse.

I kind of disagree. Feel like he just summed up what happened and listed every scenario. I don't think it's super town post.

You won't convince him. At this point Koshi is not reading MZs posts critically anymore.

not the biggest thing but the post bothers me. He also seems a bit apathetic to what is going on.

So yes i think its possible.

MZ's comeback post also bothers me and the fact that he isnt voting despite finding scum

Show nested quote +
On March 14 2024 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm home, had a shit day so I really don't have the energy to jump into filters right now, especially since I've already found 1 scum at minimum this cycle. I'll hang around the thread and play some league if people want my opinions on anything just ask.



However in my eyes palmar is the most likely mafia.



Good post.

I am not sure about palmar and I Think mz is town. But I see where you are coming from.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
March 14 2024 02:47 GMT
#7912
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 14 2024 02:47 GMT
#7913
On March 14 2024 11:42 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2024 11:40 Rels wrote:
On March 14 2024 04:46 CopCake wrote:
This is the read in which DP is town

Night 1.-

+ Show Spoiler +
-Jacob gives a gun to DP (Confirmed)
That is understandable because Jacob loves DP and trusts him.
-Slam checks Oats (Confirmed)
-Rayn protected Slam according to Marv, and it fits. We know Marv was town so.
-Vivax Jailed DP
- Rayn died
- Sandro died

Conclusion: In my opinion, a mafia vig went for Slam, and Rayn saved him. This is not confirmed, but it is the most likely scenario. I also think Vivax was blocked during this phase. It is not confirmed, but it is very probable.

Night 2.-

+ Show Spoiler +
-DP shoots TTS (Confirmed)
- Vivax jails slam
- Slam dies
- Marv dies


Conclusion: In this case, it is very likely that Vivax got blocked (duh), and Slam died. This makes me very certain there is a roleblocker. Assuming there is a JK and a Confirmed JOAT, I think balance-wise, there should be a roleblocker, but that is my view of this world.


Following this idea (DP town) makes me believe that DP didn't get blocked because
1.- TTS was already getting grilled, and his inactivity would have made him go to the lynch pile instead of VE, perhaps. So, if he died, it was like, meh, besides, he was just "a goon."

2. The Mafia gambled and was very sure DP would shoot either a townie (DMB and I were the ones I remember he mentioned more, apparently I read somewhere he also mentioned VE?) because of how we had been acting the whole game—DP vs. Cake, Cake vs. DP.

Point 2 also makes me believe that a Mafia participated in the last game I played and saw the DP vs. Cake that happened there. They are pulling the strings to make us fight, and it doesn't help that my personality and DPs don't get along. It could be his paranoia or my stubbornness; who knows, but I think the Mafia is exploiting this in the worldview that DP is town.

Night 3

+ Show Spoiler +
- Jacob dies


This is a bit tricky because I will be assuming things according to what I have seen in the relationship between DP and Jacob so far in this game and the other. DP has shown a soft side for his Aussie boys, TTT and Jacob, who, regardless of whether Jacob is right on his reads according to DP or not in an opinion, DP would take a deep breath and try to think about Jacob's point of view.

In addition, Jacob's death does not add any new information to the thread except for confirming that he was the gunsmith and that the crazy theory that got planted of Jacob-DMB-DP does not exist. Most people were already assuming he was the gunsmith; tone-wise, Jacob sounded bubbly, adorable, free, and happy. His enthusiasm was pretty townie.

Nevertheless, why Jacob and not DP? DP has a more strong presence. This is from my POV, but it is because the mafia more likely wants DP vs Cake and that we fuck up.

Marv is an excellent player, and he was one of the people who said, "DP, Cake, please stop."
Jacob also was, "Cake, DP is town," and yesterday he said, "I think Cake is town DP."

Killing a confirmed blue role is not surprising. If they had killed DP, Jacob would have been confirmed. Killing Jacob doesn't confirm DP; that is why DP is alive if he is in town.

If DP is town, the mafia wants the rest of the townies to have paranoia over DP. Let's say DP gets to lynch me; I flip town; who looks BAD?

I would assume DP would get all fuck this shit, fuck you, cake, you played so scummy, fuck I need to rearrange my ideas. If he is town, I would believe he would get extremely frustrated and probably a bit - sad?, maybe - because I think he is like a big bear that is super deadly but also has this - soft - side. I mean, he is friends with Jacob, so I guess he is between TTT (who is super serious) and a little less bubbly and shiny than Jacob.


In this scenario, DMB is cleared. I also noticed that people act like vultures around her to see if she does something scummy.

So that leaves us with these reads from the top of my head. I want to filter dive them with scrutinity but who am I kidding? I might not be able to do it because - irl -

+ Show Spoiler +
Vivax: I think action activity from the night he is almost clear,
Jealous: This one is clouded because he makes me go with two emotions simultaneously. Bothers me a lot; he is like CAKE, HAVE YOU READ DPS GAME, CAKE WHERE ARE THE SCREENSHOTS, like I wasn't lying the I am sad thing, etc. I don't want to post anymore. So I cant read a neutral read. I mean he called me out and make a joke of me and jat being stupid for saying vivax could be mafia and now he is trying to recreate the world in which vivax is mafia, say what?
Meapak_Ziphh: I think he is town, this read is by tone and personality.
Palmar: I have said enough. But after filtering Koshi with scrutinity I am like ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
justanothertownie: He... exists?
Iamperfection: I think he is the most neutral one, trying to scum hunt, agressive in a nice way, there was this thing while reading Oats filter that he seemed also so obsessed with Iamperfection, idk if he was trying to pocket Iamp or what. Like the discussed, it wasnt all butterflies and agreements.
Koshi: This one is weird too because I dont know how to take his actions from my close lynch and after that. I also feel like I am a doll here, like a "I told you so she was town you fucking idiots" when I flip town if DP gets me lynched. After that he would try to "drive" the town.
Rels: The biggest problem I have with Rels is that he town reads me for the same reasons he scum reads me FROM THE SAME GAME; it should be one or the other. I also think, maybe? He tried to save me because my flip would give DP a new perspective of the game? Me being alive creates more chaos, I must admit.


So in conclusion:

Koshi/Rels/Someone

If DP is town, Koshi fits the "let us make DP and Cake fight" besides there are these posts

Koshi claims I am unreadable and then that he has read me once. If he cant read me how is he townreading me so hard atm?

On March 05 2024 05:24 Koshi wrote:
I am on page 25 right now and I am not getting anything out of it anymore.

Oats posts too much to be lynched today. I don't enjoy reading his posts but that doesn't make him mafia. I think he deserves time to develop his play due to activity.

Copcake is unreadable. I don't feel like she is hiding though. I just don't get what she is thinking yet.

tfrel I will filter right now. He is also in my null pile with all these people but the most in hiding.

Slam is being slam. Not going to go further into that. He can stay alive, but if rayn kills him I won't be upset.

mebaby made bad posts and a couple sensible posts after that doesn't change that. She is in red territory but won't be lynched most likely because she is active enough. (shouldn't be lynched d1 in such a big game imo)




On March 05 2024 06:06 Koshi wrote:
On March 05 2024 05:59 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 05 2024 05:57 Koshi wrote:
On March 05 2024 01:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sandroba what marv is telling you is true.

lol this is funny

On March 05 2024 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 05 2024 01:51 iamperfection wrote:
I do find it odd marv isn't posting in the thread

I told a couple of hours ago to him that people are gonna scumread him for playing the game only in discord with 2 mason chats ^^

If mafia makes me mayor. I am willing to shoot marv.
Just putting that out there.

0 fucks would be given.


Great way to not end up as mayor.

Koshi can I have a list post? Doesn’t need to be everyone just enough so that I can see where your head is at

page 36 and too angry to continue.

But

town:
iamp cuz town best time was in the first pages and he was a driving factor.
dp: I wrote 'good interpretation of DP vs Oats' but that seems incorrect. That being said. I don't dislike your copcake stuff but I haven't read it because it doesn't spark anything in me. I am pretty sure I read copcake really good of one of her first posts in a previous game because she backtracked on a story after being called out. So I am waiting on her to fuck up. She is just playing a different game as me here, but not in a bad way.
Vivax I like him
MZ Ugly posts, but I can see him being town and him finding his way

Null
Oats

Mafia
DMB because bad start
TheNewGuy because I don't like that entrance
Tfrel because reasoning given. Too safe.
marv because he can die




Here he tells me DP mafia, later he says DP is town. Just remember this.


On March 07 2024 05:43 Koshi wrote:
On March 06 2024 14:05 CopCake wrote:
On March 06 2024 13:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Its completely unreasonable to think those people are mafia for lynching Trfel unless you think Palmar is 100% mafia.


My theory is that they wanted Tfrel out of the equation. I honestly do not know where to place Palmar there.

Ie. Koshi wanted to lynch Tfrel but he respected other people’s view on him he contained (even mine)

Here, we have vivax who called tfrel bad and mafia many times for not being active when I proved that Tfrel is not a spammer.

🤷🏽‍♀️

They only started the wagon because DP came in. DP knows about Tfrel good reads.

It also bugs me a lot that Tfrel HAVE talked about his mental health issues before and there are several active TL frequent posters who know that.

I have never also found Vivax to be pedantic? And in this game it feels so. He tends to fight the status quo but not here.


Vivax is never mafia. He is too active, too funny and he is making really good observations.
The other 2 are fair game if you want to pursue them.
I think DP could be mafia. We should limit his posts to 60 for D2. If he does more we policy lynch him.
I think he very well could be mafia shitting up this thread.




Here I was considering why Mafia didnt kill Slam, but Koshi threw the shade of - Slam might be not blue and lied - to protect Oats?


On March 08 2024 02:28 Koshi wrote:
On March 08 2024 02:24 CopCake wrote:
On March 08 2024 02:23 Koshi wrote:
If you want my opinion:
rayn: because ve and or Palmar are mafia. I think mafia wouldn't kill rayn over marv if it wasnt the reads. Marv has way more pull in the thread. (Supertinfoil. Cuz marv is mafia and rayn claimed to him)

I forgot thz second kill lol. I am going insane.


You need to consider Mafia either didnt believe Slam´s claim or were more afraid of Rayn / Sandro

Yeah. Why not shoot slam.
Would mafia have known rayn was blue? Because that would make it less likely slam also is blue?

But then marv is mafia.




Here he thinks DP is town (Remember when he told me DP could be mafia) and comments about me like yeah cake is townie but she can be traitor

On March 08 2024 17:11 Koshi wrote:
On March 08 2024 10:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax I helped you become mayor, so I feel I have a responsibility to keep you on track.

So when you do dumb shit I am going to block you every time until I die.

If you don't want to lynch Oats today that is fine, I will lynch Cake who is confirmed fucking mafia and then we can lynch oats tomorrow.

You may be mayor right now but i am in control of this fucking thread.

CC is not mafia. Worst case she is traitor and played very cool D1.


but at the same time, inmediatly considers Jacob not Gunsmith? If you read DP town, shouldnt Koshi consider Jacob lock town there? Here he also says OATS needs to die but later does everything to save him.


On March 08 2024 17:18 Koshi wrote:
On March 08 2024 17:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 08 2024 17:11 Koshi wrote:
On March 08 2024 10:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax I helped you become mayor, so I feel I have a responsibility to keep you on track.

So when you do dumb shit I am going to block you every time until I die.

If you don't want to lynch Oats today that is fine, I will lynch Cake who is confirmed fucking mafia and then we can lynch oats tomorrow.

You may be mayor right now but i am in control of this fucking thread.

CC is not mafia. Worst case she is traitor and played very cool D1.

Koshi talk to me, where are you at right now

You have to die because I am too time constrained to reread and get invested.
I am quite clueless this game. Those names I posted earlier are my choices but I dont have good reasons. It's more PoE.
MZ I think is mafia. Really think he is faking activity when he is here. And he has some towntells he didnt show. (Rage after lynch)
Rels is playing a safe scumgame and will be very hard to lynch.
Is Jacob confirmed blue gunsmith? Because I also think he might be mafia. Bit if he is blue that is wrong ofc.

My townreads are pretty solid I think. (Yes I realise my only towncase this game was on a redcheck)

So VE, Dmb, Palmar left (cuz rayn)

And then TTS who could be anything.


He also uses a lot of emo posts to save OATS


On March 09 2024 03:46 Koshi wrote:
Oats got to say. You did everything right.
If people complain about effort in future games I will post your performance. Solid through entire game and this town has no balls. Yesterday I was proud to be in this town. Today I am ashamed.



This is also TMI, like how can you be so sure DP is town? LOL


On March 09 2024 07:33 Koshi wrote:
Worst math I have seen in a while.
If they have a framer, the chance they picked Oats is the only thing you need to calculate. Add the chance of a miller in there and you know the odds.

The chance they picked Oats is high because our cop decided to bold his fucking name in his reads post after claiming cop.

Chance of Slam not being town and cop is low.


Our blues and DP are so fucking bad that mafia has 1 rb and 3 blues to pick from.

So I guess 2 die tonight. And no tears will be shred.


Then we have these weird sequence
On March 09 2024 07:59 Koshi wrote:
Copcake mafia would explain the rayn kill I guess.


But when I questioned Rayn´s death

On March 09 2024 02:19 Koshi wrote:
On March 09 2024 02:08 CopCake wrote:
On March 09 2024 02:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 07 2024 14:06 CopCake wrote:
So in conclusion

oats is either mafia or miller. I would go mafia for Rayn’s death.

So

##vote: Oats

Hi cake, what is this?


Oh my bad, I forgot.

Why is rayns death important?



We also have Koshi calling me mafia many times

On March 09 2024 08:00 Koshi wrote:
Also me being alive.
If cc and Oats are mafia I am basically playing for the mafia team.
Add in that I prevented a blue rayn from being Mayor.

Ohboi


Then


On March 10 2024 18:54 Koshi wrote:
Lynching Copcake is a mistake.
I would prefer ve or anything else that is consistent from marv and rayn filter.


He is also this dead person said this BUT these are also better lynches.

On March 11 2024 04:19 Koshi wrote:
Sandroba spent a decent amount of posts calling me mafia, Oats town and copcake mafia.

If we disregard those, not that much is left except that list I quoted earlier.

So VE+Rels is mafia.


"Only because Sandroba"

On March 11 2024 04:26 Koshi wrote:
On March 11 2024 04:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 11 2024 04:15 Koshi wrote:
On March 11 2024 04:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 11 2024 04:02 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. This is the weirdest way to look into this matter. Were there too many townies on VE and are you doing damage control for when VE flips?

I really don't understand what you're reading here or why you think this is weird? I think VE is going to flip scum and I'm providing some of my thoughts as to why I think he will. I've been calling him scum most of the game. You're one of the ones who led the charge to have him lynched instead of oats yesterday.

I dont understand why you are saying there is scum on VE wagon to save oats.

I think the difference between us right now is that I'm scumreading copcake and you are not. But you also are currently scumreading me so essentially you believe the same thing that I do, that there are scum on the VE wagon yesterday.

There's also one scum left who I haven't fully figured out meanwhile you have decided it's me, DMB, and VE. I think you're wrong about DMB as well so yes, I'm definitely look at other VE voters from yesterday. Could be you, iamp, or maybe even Palmar.

VE Rels MZ DMB

All other reads are silly.
But if you really want to go there I guess
Koshi
JAT
CC (only cuz sandroba)
Palmar (only cuz rayn)

Idiotic reads would be:
iamp
Jacob
DP

I forgot other people


Dude... Stop making DEAD PEOPLE THE REASON OF YOUR LYNCHES

On March 11 2024 04:32 Koshi wrote:
marv would also always lynched VE over cc.



Here he says that Darth barely posts if I understood correctly but another posts he says that should be Policy that Darth shoul not post a lot?



On March 11 2024 04:38 Koshi wrote:
On March 11 2024 04:37 CopCake wrote:
On March 11 2024 04:28 Koshi wrote:
Ohyeah. Vivax is 1000% town. (Because the rbs are missing)
And then Jealous is pretty town as well. No reason to scumread him.


I think Darth is also pretty much clear, only way is if he was mafia vig that got roleblocked by vivax night one but considering he didnt move his vote from Oats and used the gunsmith a ability with TTS, that is clear town there.

Ohyeah. Him. Forgot he was in the game. He rarely posts.


Stop having dead people do your reads wtf, COME TO YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS
On March 11 2024 08:44 Koshi wrote:
On March 11 2024 08:42 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 11 2024 08:40 Koshi wrote:
On March 11 2024 08:39 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 11 2024 08:37 Vivax wrote:
On March 11 2024 08:36 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 11 2024 08:34 Vivax wrote:
[quote]

Doesn‘t that balance it out ?
Or your claim is fake.

I don‘t get your preference for Copcake over VE here.


Traitor is an anti mafia role.

Why do you think cake is town so strongly?


She‘s self voting over the obvious CW.
But I have time for better posts after work.

Traitor is an additional member they can gain how is it anti-mafia ?


I don’t believe self voting this early points to town.

She was upset. It wasnt fake.
She is town.


If you all get me of this lynch and I am correct that she is mafia I will blow my fucking top.

Only if VE isnt mafia.

Why go against rayn marv and sandroba to get this cc lynch?


I also noticed with his filter he called MZ several times scummy and suddenly trusts him so hard lol
but I am too lazy to go back and quote everything.

He also spends a lot of Time calling Rels mafia and suddenly

On March 11 2024 19:24 Koshi wrote:
Ok so Rels is town and played really good.




He also has stuff like this:


On March 05 2024 06:36 Koshi wrote:
On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote:
So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.

Either way, not helpful.

I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at.
Going to hedge on sandro.
VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.

But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples.

i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die.
We shouldn't do tfrel first.

rayn or marv. Let's go big.



Some fun fact by one of our scummy confirmed mafia:

I was the first vote of the voting thread and it was Oats, second was Oats voting Slam, lol. Looks like that guy knew were to put his fangs because he was also being very creepy with DMB.

Oats wanted to mayor Koshi

Oats praised Koshi

Ok I am tired so

##Vote: Koshi








Pretty townie post, going for Koshi when she had her targets on Palmar/me previously, and that would be the easy thing to push. Most of the logic doesn't make sense of course
Why is DMB cleared?

look like 20 min later its immediately dropped.

Loosk like she was convinced by JAT
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9641 Posts
March 14 2024 02:48 GMT
#7914
On March 14 2024 11:38 iamperfection wrote:
A lot of things have bothered me today. Copcake makes a case on Koshi and then just almost instantly drops it just because Jat says thats how koshi plays and then votes palmar. Why does cop just accept as true it confuses me. Meapak_Ziphh comes back after 19 hours says hes too tired to be bothered to do anything but he has found scum? and is somehow not voting????

I keep hearing this idiotic comment that marv said palmar is 90% likely to be town. I get it you guys all worship marv but his word isnt gospel and he very well would probably be saying different things if he was still alive its day 4 now marv died in night 2.

Palmar really bothers me. He calls me scum because i have just been around not doing anything?? Like i said earlier you can say a lot of things about me but not engaged and not in the thick of things is certainly not one of them. I exposed the mason circle and tried to get reads from it. I correctly deduced that Rayn had to be town from the way he used it and almost immediately tried to make him mayor for it. Right or wrong i was screaming at the top of my longs to lynch tryfel it was wrong but so what. I have constantly been directing and calling out actions. I literally hammered VE in a quest for personal glory it backfired so what. To say i have been just around is objectively wrong.

Now palmar says he dosnt really read the thread that he just shows hes around interacts and develops reads. I dont really feel like has done that all in this game. I think if anyone with a quarter of a brain which ill grant palmar he has a quarter of a brain could easily use meta to see i am town. This would be by FAR the largest filter i have ever had as mafia. I would also say i am much less emotional as mafia and much more reserved. My style as town requires me to post a ton and usually in quick succession. Thats why i will have mind melds which happened earlier with marv where we said the same thing. As mafia that is extremely hard for me to replicate. At least for a long period. Also as mafia its very hard for me to long posts like this were i have to fake my thoughts i just have hard time to do it. So those long list posts and posts were i collect my thoughts like i had earlier and this one quite frankly are hard for me to do. I dont think palmar is trying figure out my alignment because he is being bad or more likely just mafia.

Now do i think JAT could possibly be mafia. Yes its possible he had a post earlier where he almost knew that koshi was mafia. {but iamperfection you said earlier that koshi is likely town) well first of all stfu second there is a diffrence between knowing and thinking.

Show nested quote +
On March 14 2024 04:32 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 14 2024 04:30 iamperfection wrote:
On March 14 2024 04:28 Koshi wrote:
On March 12 2024 12:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Man what the fuck.

This game is going to be extremely hard if townies are gonna self-vote, I feel like that's playing against your wincon. I absolutely hate martyring so pointlessly. I think that was still 100% the right lynch.

And now we're gonna have to solve the copcake problem since she did exactly the same thing. She voted herself and peaced out when the vote was 7-4 with VE in the lead. Her vote made it 6-5, still with VE in the lead. She showed no problems with leaving her vote on randos the previous two days, and if she was scum, she had a safe place to park her vote on VE or a rando as nobody would have scumread her any harder than they already were for voting to save herself. Now granted, she didn't hammer herself, the closest she ever got was 7-6 against her 2 hours later. So, did town!cake just rage quit in the exact same manner that VE did? Or did scum!cake take a gamble, not realizing how close it was going to get? If it's the second option, Rel's desperation to save her pretty much guarantees him as scum in my eyes, but I still don't know if I can wrap my head around scum!cake doing that because the vote is so close I'd argue that's pretty close to intentionally throwing. Or maybe it's all #bigplays that I'm too stupid to understand.

I have a decent amount of thread to fully catch up on after just skimming to get through it, I focused more on the voting thread to try and figure out wtf both VE and cake were doing. I'm not surprised to see there were more shenanigans by certain people. I will also have a go at reading VE's filter although idk if there's much of a point.

What a town hero does. Analyse.

I kind of disagree. Feel like he just summed up what happened and listed every scenario. I don't think it's super town post.

You won't convince him. At this point Koshi is not reading MZs posts critically anymore.

not the biggest thing but the post bothers me. He also seems a bit apathetic to what is going on.

So yes i think its possible.

MZ's comeback post also bothers me and the fact that he isnt voting despite finding scum

Show nested quote +
On March 14 2024 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm home, had a shit day so I really don't have the energy to jump into filters right now, especially since I've already found 1 scum at minimum this cycle. I'll hang around the thread and play some league if people want my opinions on anything just ask.



However in my eyes palmar is the most likely mafia.


ebwop
i meant to say its like jat knew both me and koshi were town up there when i talk about that
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9641 Posts
March 14 2024 02:50 GMT
#7915
On March 14 2024 11:47 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2024 11:42 iamperfection wrote:
On March 14 2024 11:40 Rels wrote:
On March 14 2024 04:46 CopCake wrote:
This is the read in which DP is town

Night 1.-

+ Show Spoiler +
-Jacob gives a gun to DP (Confirmed)
That is understandable because Jacob loves DP and trusts him.
-Slam checks Oats (Confirmed)
-Rayn protected Slam according to Marv, and it fits. We know Marv was town so.
-Vivax Jailed DP
- Rayn died
- Sandro died

Conclusion: In my opinion, a mafia vig went for Slam, and Rayn saved him. This is not confirmed, but it is the most likely scenario. I also think Vivax was blocked during this phase. It is not confirmed, but it is very probable.

Night 2.-

+ Show Spoiler +
-DP shoots TTS (Confirmed)
- Vivax jails slam
- Slam dies
- Marv dies


Conclusion: In this case, it is very likely that Vivax got blocked (duh), and Slam died. This makes me very certain there is a roleblocker. Assuming there is a JK and a Confirmed JOAT, I think balance-wise, there should be a roleblocker, but that is my view of this world.


Following this idea (DP town) makes me believe that DP didn't get blocked because
1.- TTS was already getting grilled, and his inactivity would have made him go to the lynch pile instead of VE, perhaps. So, if he died, it was like, meh, besides, he was just "a goon."

2. The Mafia gambled and was very sure DP would shoot either a townie (DMB and I were the ones I remember he mentioned more, apparently I read somewhere he also mentioned VE?) because of how we had been acting the whole game—DP vs. Cake, Cake vs. DP.

Point 2 also makes me believe that a Mafia participated in the last game I played and saw the DP vs. Cake that happened there. They are pulling the strings to make us fight, and it doesn't help that my personality and DPs don't get along. It could be his paranoia or my stubbornness; who knows, but I think the Mafia is exploiting this in the worldview that DP is town.

Night 3

+ Show Spoiler +
- Jacob dies


This is a bit tricky because I will be assuming things according to what I have seen in the relationship between DP and Jacob so far in this game and the other. DP has shown a soft side for his Aussie boys, TTT and Jacob, who, regardless of whether Jacob is right on his reads according to DP or not in an opinion, DP would take a deep breath and try to think about Jacob's point of view.

In addition, Jacob's death does not add any new information to the thread except for confirming that he was the gunsmith and that the crazy theory that got planted of Jacob-DMB-DP does not exist. Most people were already assuming he was the gunsmith; tone-wise, Jacob sounded bubbly, adorable, free, and happy. His enthusiasm was pretty townie.

Nevertheless, why Jacob and not DP? DP has a more strong presence. This is from my POV, but it is because the mafia more likely wants DP vs Cake and that we fuck up.

Marv is an excellent player, and he was one of the people who said, "DP, Cake, please stop."
Jacob also was, "Cake, DP is town," and yesterday he said, "I think Cake is town DP."

Killing a confirmed blue role is not surprising. If they had killed DP, Jacob would have been confirmed. Killing Jacob doesn't confirm DP; that is why DP is alive if he is in town.

If DP is town, the mafia wants the rest of the townies to have paranoia over DP. Let's say DP gets to lynch me; I flip town; who looks BAD?

I would assume DP would get all fuck this shit, fuck you, cake, you played so scummy, fuck I need to rearrange my ideas. If he is town, I would believe he would get extremely frustrated and probably a bit - sad?, maybe - because I think he is like a big bear that is super deadly but also has this - soft - side. I mean, he is friends with Jacob, so I guess he is between TTT (who is super serious) and a little less bubbly and shiny than Jacob.


In this scenario, DMB is cleared. I also noticed that people act like vultures around her to see if she does something scummy.

So that leaves us with these reads from the top of my head. I want to filter dive them with scrutinity but who am I kidding? I might not be able to do it because - irl -

+ Show Spoiler +
Vivax: I think action activity from the night he is almost clear,
Jealous: This one is clouded because he makes me go with two emotions simultaneously. Bothers me a lot; he is like CAKE, HAVE YOU READ DPS GAME, CAKE WHERE ARE THE SCREENSHOTS, like I wasn't lying the I am sad thing, etc. I don't want to post anymore. So I cant read a neutral read. I mean he called me out and make a joke of me and jat being stupid for saying vivax could be mafia and now he is trying to recreate the world in which vivax is mafia, say what?
Meapak_Ziphh: I think he is town, this read is by tone and personality.
Palmar: I have said enough. But after filtering Koshi with scrutinity I am like ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
justanothertownie: He... exists?
Iamperfection: I think he is the most neutral one, trying to scum hunt, agressive in a nice way, there was this thing while reading Oats filter that he seemed also so obsessed with Iamperfection, idk if he was trying to pocket Iamp or what. Like the discussed, it wasnt all butterflies and agreements.
Koshi: This one is weird too because I dont know how to take his actions from my close lynch and after that. I also feel like I am a doll here, like a "I told you so she was town you fucking idiots" when I flip town if DP gets me lynched. After that he would try to "drive" the town.
Rels: The biggest problem I have with Rels is that he town reads me for the same reasons he scum reads me FROM THE SAME GAME; it should be one or the other. I also think, maybe? He tried to save me because my flip would give DP a new perspective of the game? Me being alive creates more chaos, I must admit.


So in conclusion:

Koshi/Rels/Someone

If DP is town, Koshi fits the "let us make DP and Cake fight" besides there are these posts

Koshi claims I am unreadable and then that he has read me once. If he cant read me how is he townreading me so hard atm?

On March 05 2024 05:24 Koshi wrote:
I am on page 25 right now and I am not getting anything out of it anymore.

Oats posts too much to be lynched today. I don't enjoy reading his posts but that doesn't make him mafia. I think he deserves time to develop his play due to activity.

Copcake is unreadable. I don't feel like she is hiding though. I just don't get what she is thinking yet.

tfrel I will filter right now. He is also in my null pile with all these people but the most in hiding.

Slam is being slam. Not going to go further into that. He can stay alive, but if rayn kills him I won't be upset.

mebaby made bad posts and a couple sensible posts after that doesn't change that. She is in red territory but won't be lynched most likely because she is active enough. (shouldn't be lynched d1 in such a big game imo)




On March 05 2024 06:06 Koshi wrote:
On March 05 2024 05:59 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 05 2024 05:57 Koshi wrote:
On March 05 2024 01:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sandroba what marv is telling you is true.

lol this is funny

On March 05 2024 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 05 2024 01:51 iamperfection wrote:
I do find it odd marv isn't posting in the thread

I told a couple of hours ago to him that people are gonna scumread him for playing the game only in discord with 2 mason chats ^^

If mafia makes me mayor. I am willing to shoot marv.
Just putting that out there.

0 fucks would be given.


Great way to not end up as mayor.

Koshi can I have a list post? Doesn’t need to be everyone just enough so that I can see where your head is at

page 36 and too angry to continue.

But

town:
iamp cuz town best time was in the first pages and he was a driving factor.
dp: I wrote 'good interpretation of DP vs Oats' but that seems incorrect. That being said. I don't dislike your copcake stuff but I haven't read it because it doesn't spark anything in me. I am pretty sure I read copcake really good of one of her first posts in a previous game because she backtracked on a story after being called out. So I am waiting on her to fuck up. She is just playing a different game as me here, but not in a bad way.
Vivax I like him
MZ Ugly posts, but I can see him being town and him finding his way

Null
Oats

Mafia
DMB because bad start
TheNewGuy because I don't like that entrance
Tfrel because reasoning given. Too safe.
marv because he can die




Here he tells me DP mafia, later he says DP is town. Just remember this.


On March 07 2024 05:43 Koshi wrote:
On March 06 2024 14:05 CopCake wrote:
On March 06 2024 13:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Its completely unreasonable to think those people are mafia for lynching Trfel unless you think Palmar is 100% mafia.


My theory is that they wanted Tfrel out of the equation. I honestly do not know where to place Palmar there.

Ie. Koshi wanted to lynch Tfrel but he respected other people’s view on him he contained (even mine)

Here, we have vivax who called tfrel bad and mafia many times for not being active when I proved that Tfrel is not a spammer.

🤷🏽‍♀️

They only started the wagon because DP came in. DP knows about Tfrel good reads.

It also bugs me a lot that Tfrel HAVE talked about his mental health issues before and there are several active TL frequent posters who know that.

I have never also found Vivax to be pedantic? And in this game it feels so. He tends to fight the status quo but not here.


Vivax is never mafia. He is too active, too funny and he is making really good observations.
The other 2 are fair game if you want to pursue them.
I think DP could be mafia. We should limit his posts to 60 for D2. If he does more we policy lynch him.
I think he very well could be mafia shitting up this thread.




Here I was considering why Mafia didnt kill Slam, but Koshi threw the shade of - Slam might be not blue and lied - to protect Oats?


On March 08 2024 02:28 Koshi wrote:
On March 08 2024 02:24 CopCake wrote:
On March 08 2024 02:23 Koshi wrote:
If you want my opinion:
rayn: because ve and or Palmar are mafia. I think mafia wouldn't kill rayn over marv if it wasnt the reads. Marv has way more pull in the thread. (Supertinfoil. Cuz marv is mafia and rayn claimed to him)

I forgot thz second kill lol. I am going insane.


You need to consider Mafia either didnt believe Slam´s claim or were more afraid of Rayn / Sandro

Yeah. Why not shoot slam.
Would mafia have known rayn was blue? Because that would make it less likely slam also is blue?

But then marv is mafia.




Here he thinks DP is town (Remember when he told me DP could be mafia) and comments about me like yeah cake is townie but she can be traitor

On March 08 2024 17:11 Koshi wrote:
On March 08 2024 10:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax I helped you become mayor, so I feel I have a responsibility to keep you on track.

So when you do dumb shit I am going to block you every time until I die.

If you don't want to lynch Oats today that is fine, I will lynch Cake who is confirmed fucking mafia and then we can lynch oats tomorrow.

You may be mayor right now but i am in control of this fucking thread.

CC is not mafia. Worst case she is traitor and played very cool D1.


but at the same time, inmediatly considers Jacob not Gunsmith? If you read DP town, shouldnt Koshi consider Jacob lock town there? Here he also says OATS needs to die but later does everything to save him.


On March 08 2024 17:18 Koshi wrote:
On March 08 2024 17:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 08 2024 17:11 Koshi wrote:
On March 08 2024 10:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax I helped you become mayor, so I feel I have a responsibility to keep you on track.

So when you do dumb shit I am going to block you every time until I die.

If you don't want to lynch Oats today that is fine, I will lynch Cake who is confirmed fucking mafia and then we can lynch oats tomorrow.

You may be mayor right now but i am in control of this fucking thread.

CC is not mafia. Worst case she is traitor and played very cool D1.

Koshi talk to me, where are you at right now

You have to die because I am too time constrained to reread and get invested.
I am quite clueless this game. Those names I posted earlier are my choices but I dont have good reasons. It's more PoE.
MZ I think is mafia. Really think he is faking activity when he is here. And he has some towntells he didnt show. (Rage after lynch)
Rels is playing a safe scumgame and will be very hard to lynch.
Is Jacob confirmed blue gunsmith? Because I also think he might be mafia. Bit if he is blue that is wrong ofc.

My townreads are pretty solid I think. (Yes I realise my only towncase this game was on a redcheck)

So VE, Dmb, Palmar left (cuz rayn)

And then TTS who could be anything.


He also uses a lot of emo posts to save OATS


On March 09 2024 03:46 Koshi wrote:
Oats got to say. You did everything right.
If people complain about effort in future games I will post your performance. Solid through entire game and this town has no balls. Yesterday I was proud to be in this town. Today I am ashamed.



This is also TMI, like how can you be so sure DP is town? LOL


On March 09 2024 07:33 Koshi wrote:
Worst math I have seen in a while.
If they have a framer, the chance they picked Oats is the only thing you need to calculate. Add the chance of a miller in there and you know the odds.

The chance they picked Oats is high because our cop decided to bold his fucking name in his reads post after claiming cop.

Chance of Slam not being town and cop is low.


Our blues and DP are so fucking bad that mafia has 1 rb and 3 blues to pick from.

So I guess 2 die tonight. And no tears will be shred.


Then we have these weird sequence
On March 09 2024 07:59 Koshi wrote:
Copcake mafia would explain the rayn kill I guess.


But when I questioned Rayn´s death

On March 09 2024 02:19 Koshi wrote:
On March 09 2024 02:08 CopCake wrote:
On March 09 2024 02:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 07 2024 14:06 CopCake wrote:
So in conclusion

oats is either mafia or miller. I would go mafia for Rayn’s death.

So

##vote: Oats

Hi cake, what is this?


Oh my bad, I forgot.

Why is rayns death important?



We also have Koshi calling me mafia many times

On March 09 2024 08:00 Koshi wrote:
Also me being alive.
If cc and Oats are mafia I am basically playing for the mafia team.
Add in that I prevented a blue rayn from being Mayor.

Ohboi


Then


On March 10 2024 18:54 Koshi wrote:
Lynching Copcake is a mistake.
I would prefer ve or anything else that is consistent from marv and rayn filter.


He is also this dead person said this BUT these are also better lynches.

On March 11 2024 04:19 Koshi wrote:
Sandroba spent a decent amount of posts calling me mafia, Oats town and copcake mafia.

If we disregard those, not that much is left except that list I quoted earlier.

So VE+Rels is mafia.


"Only because Sandroba"

On March 11 2024 04:26 Koshi wrote:
On March 11 2024 04:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 11 2024 04:15 Koshi wrote:
On March 11 2024 04:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 11 2024 04:02 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. This is the weirdest way to look into this matter. Were there too many townies on VE and are you doing damage control for when VE flips?

I really don't understand what you're reading here or why you think this is weird? I think VE is going to flip scum and I'm providing some of my thoughts as to why I think he will. I've been calling him scum most of the game. You're one of the ones who led the charge to have him lynched instead of oats yesterday.

I dont understand why you are saying there is scum on VE wagon to save oats.

I think the difference between us right now is that I'm scumreading copcake and you are not. But you also are currently scumreading me so essentially you believe the same thing that I do, that there are scum on the VE wagon yesterday.

There's also one scum left who I haven't fully figured out meanwhile you have decided it's me, DMB, and VE. I think you're wrong about DMB as well so yes, I'm definitely look at other VE voters from yesterday. Could be you, iamp, or maybe even Palmar.

VE Rels MZ DMB

All other reads are silly.
But if you really want to go there I guess
Koshi
JAT
CC (only cuz sandroba)
Palmar (only cuz rayn)

Idiotic reads would be:
iamp
Jacob
DP

I forgot other people


Dude... Stop making DEAD PEOPLE THE REASON OF YOUR LYNCHES

On March 11 2024 04:32 Koshi wrote:
marv would also always lynched VE over cc.



Here he says that Darth barely posts if I understood correctly but another posts he says that should be Policy that Darth shoul not post a lot?



On March 11 2024 04:38 Koshi wrote:
On March 11 2024 04:37 CopCake wrote:
On March 11 2024 04:28 Koshi wrote:
Ohyeah. Vivax is 1000% town. (Because the rbs are missing)
And then Jealous is pretty town as well. No reason to scumread him.


I think Darth is also pretty much clear, only way is if he was mafia vig that got roleblocked by vivax night one but considering he didnt move his vote from Oats and used the gunsmith a ability with TTS, that is clear town there.

Ohyeah. Him. Forgot he was in the game. He rarely posts.


Stop having dead people do your reads wtf, COME TO YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS
On March 11 2024 08:44 Koshi wrote:
On March 11 2024 08:42 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 11 2024 08:40 Koshi wrote:
On March 11 2024 08:39 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 11 2024 08:37 Vivax wrote:
On March 11 2024 08:36 DarthPunk wrote:
[quote]

Traitor is an anti mafia role.

Why do you think cake is town so strongly?


She‘s self voting over the obvious CW.
But I have time for better posts after work.

Traitor is an additional member they can gain how is it anti-mafia ?


I don’t believe self voting this early points to town.

She was upset. It wasnt fake.
She is town.


If you all get me of this lynch and I am correct that she is mafia I will blow my fucking top.

Only if VE isnt mafia.

Why go against rayn marv and sandroba to get this cc lynch?


I also noticed with his filter he called MZ several times scummy and suddenly trusts him so hard lol
but I am too lazy to go back and quote everything.

He also spends a lot of Time calling Rels mafia and suddenly

On March 11 2024 19:24 Koshi wrote:
Ok so Rels is town and played really good.




He also has stuff like this:


On March 05 2024 06:36 Koshi wrote:
On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote:
So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.

Either way, not helpful.

I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at.
Going to hedge on sandro.
VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.

But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples.

i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die.
We shouldn't do tfrel first.

rayn or marv. Let's go big.



Some fun fact by one of our scummy confirmed mafia:

I was the first vote of the voting thread and it was Oats, second was Oats voting Slam, lol. Looks like that guy knew were to put his fangs because he was also being very creepy with DMB.

Oats wanted to mayor Koshi

Oats praised Koshi

Ok I am tired so

##Vote: Koshi








Pretty townie post, going for Koshi when she had her targets on Palmar/me previously, and that would be the easy thing to push. Most of the logic doesn't make sense of course
Why is DMB cleared?

look like 20 min later its immediately dropped.

Loosk like she was convinced by JAT

right which i dont understand
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9641 Posts
March 14 2024 02:51 GMT
#7916
On March 14 2024 11:47 Pandain wrote:

can we help you sir?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 14 2024 02:51 GMT
#7917
On March 14 2024 07:20 Palmar wrote:
I need Rels to come tell me MZ is still town in his mind, I cba reading the later pages of his filter.

The more I think about it, MZ did mason me, and his literal first words were "hey I think you're town." I kinda regret now not engaging with him at all, but we're on stupid different time schedules.

So what's your take on MZ regarding that last paragraph?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 14 2024 02:54 GMT
#7918
On March 14 2024 08:14 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2024 08:13 Koshi wrote:
MZ has been on cc as well the entire time.
Somebody also told VE that he needed to look into cc and not Palmar after he looked into me.

Fml fml fml

Rels, I think.

Yes
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21969 Posts
March 14 2024 02:55 GMT
#7919
On March 14 2024 11:51 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2024 11:47 Pandain wrote:

can we help you sir?


Fuck I think every single Bulgarian in this house heard me laughing at this
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 14 2024 02:56 GMT
#7920
On March 14 2024 08:55 die_meatbaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2024 07:15 Palmar wrote:
On March 14 2024 07:13 Koshi wrote:
Palmar, are you going with iamp and CC mafia team?
That's your best guess?

No still working, I maybe think CC is town now.

If Rels is mafia btw, he has been TMI-ing the entire fucking game lol.

He knew Trfel was town
He knew TTS was mafia
When Oats did the hero defense he still thought Oats would flip scum

So much correct shit in his filter.


finally someone who see that there is something wrong with Reels filter.
There is no way he could play like this as Town. He knows things that we don´t know, thats fucking serious.

Haha is that why you scumread me, because I've played too well :p
At least I wasn't calling VE town yesterday ...
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