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Seems my objective of waking up jat at least worked lol
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I really need to go read sandroba again, didn't do it last night and I didn't sleep well. I just need that dose of that Brazilian Cicero of our times in my life.
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On March 07 2024 01:16 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 00:27 iamperfection wrote:
I wanna workshop something. I felt like jealous posting was very clean and non confrontational. Very clean for someone who had a ton to catch up to too. I was momentarily under that impression, but then I looked into his list post and the sheer amount of work that was put into it including the spoilers. He has to be town
I've been riding this so hard all game lol
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On March 06 2024 11:52 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 11:08 sandroba wrote:On March 06 2024 10:51 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:48 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:44 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:Especially when she is joining my wagon  I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town... This is a scumslip word nr.4 today. Thank you  love to improve my english Maybe just tired and annoyed about stupid people here. Either wagons are not a good D1 lynch Like is this for real? Annoyed at stupid people when she does not have a better lynch and isn't even saying she is confident the wagons are town? given the context that dmb doesn't think both wagons are townie and she finds d1 lynches to be always bad, do you think it is reasonable she is saying this?
Does Oats call scum!dmb out for scumslipping here? Idk
Where is dmb btw, she is freeriding this day too hard.
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On March 14 2024 22:45 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 06:02 CopCake wrote:+ Show Spoiler +PALMAR posts - Calls vivax town - Calls oats scum + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2024 06:18 Palmar wrote:
I read like 2 posts of Oats and he's scummy - Calls iamp town - Calls VE town with Vivax, iamp and DP (Consider VE super BIG - that´s what she said - filter) Calls OATS scum again. + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2024 06:22 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:19 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 05 2024 06:18 Palmar wrote:
I read like 2 posts of Oats and he's scummy Then he voted for me and I'm blasting town like everywhere PPPSWSSHHHHHH I agree with you being town. I'm like 2 pages into the game so all my reads are just random feelings right now but I like you, Vivax, iamp and DP. I don't like Oats. - Comfrots marv, calls koshi townish + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2024 09:51 Palmar wrote:
Cba arguing with marv now but did make a mental note of him posting about vivax probably being town but not wanting to mayor him. Weird take because voting town mayor is always best. Can just bully them into lynching theme way we want.
But ironically I’m not sure marv would call me mafia as scum because he has no idea if I’m gonna put in work tomorrow or be lazy. But it’s all very weak and I’m not day 1 lynching players who can be relied on to actually try later on in the game.
I liked some Koshi posts
- Oats scum again, third time + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2024 09:54 Palmar wrote:
Oats scummy read is for announcing he wants to be mayor but then I skimmed a few more points and he didn’t really push the idea he should be. - Calls VE town - Hasnt read vivax filter, hasnt read where he claimed but he wants to mayor him or kill him for claiming. Yet to Marv he told him that it is always a good idea to mayor town vivax, would that be TMI?  (Those interactions are on Palmar filter page1) - fights with jacob or discuss with him - DP votes him + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2024 19:19 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 19:08 DarthPunk wrote:
I'm going to bed early so I can get up early to be around a bit before the deadline to catch up.
I think Palmar is the best lynch today.
Reasons:
1) he spent all last game posting about how he is a god on day one and carried the town and yayaya.
2.) his filter from day one this game.
##vote: Palmar
He is just not the same player as his town play last time. Okay you've done step 1 which is establish a discrepancy in my play this game to the last game. But you've then made a leap that me playing differently means I'm mafia. Can you explain how playing differently means i'm mafia? - His first reads, VE, DMB and OATS mafia. + Show Spoiler + On March 05 2024 19:41 Palmar wrote:So I'm going to talk about a few people now. Consider this just rambling thoughts about the thread that I'm absolutely not going to read in full. Probably gonna do this in a few parts so my reads might evolve from now until I've done the last people I want to talk about. OatsmasterBoth initially, and currently, the reason he's my tentative #1 lynch target is based on exactly one thing, this: Go find that post in his filter, then read the following maybe... 20 posts? I don't think there is a single one of them where he is actually pushing to get himself elected as mayor. Ironically he scolded someone else for doing that same thing. Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:39 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Mayor will sort itself out, probably be marv at the end of the day if he is town. Hi again, not a big fan of you not pushing to be mayor, what gives? I don't think pushing for it actually does anything. You don’t seem to even want to be mayor There really isn't much else to it. The case is simply "He said he wanted to be mayor but then none of his posting seems to point towards him actually wanting to be mayor". It's far from lock scum case, it's mostly just a bad play regardless of alignment, but it's... maybe easier to explain as an attempt to do something bold as mafia. I'm gonna read more before I plant a vote or anything. VisceraEyesPart of me just wants him to be town because I'm happy VE is playing, so I admit it may be an overreaching town read. But it's mostly a tone read. He seems to be happy to be playing the game. He said he wanted mayor and actually made a few follow up posts complaining no one was voting for him. Also this isn't even alignment indicative but it's super good. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
People saying unccd in a semi open setup is making my eyes roll so hard they're doing back flips. God I've never wished I was Mafia more in a game. I have zero interest in lynching VE today. DMBSo I haven't really read anything of hers but I just wanted to make this point. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:18 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 06:13 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 06:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 06:10 Palmar wrote:
Good morning, I see we're up to a casual 60+ pages. Where did you wake up from??? It's 8am in Iceland right now, what are you talking about? Iceland has 1 or 2 hours time difference than Austria. It is not possible. You come here and directly start to lie?? It should be 9:18 or 8 :18 PM She confuses me so much. I make something that's an obvious joke, and she jumps on it? Why? My gut is "well that's stupid and townies do stupid shit". But my meta is that she's perfectly willing to do stupid shit as mafia from last game. She does get townie points for completely forgetting I exist in her list post though. But yeah, I don't actually have a read on her, it's just something I noticed. - sandro is dissapointing - Oats talk - Talks about oats but hasnt filtered him - more stuff - is filtering DP - Called DP town before but now DP is meh On March 05 2024 22:25 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 22:16 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 22:14 Palmar wrote:
16/97 pages is just DP, jesus christ Yeah. Tempted to townread him just for that tbh. Even though I really don't like the way he went about the mayor stuff and the cake push was also meh. DP is a null, but I've only read his posts in the context of reading other players. I did like him calling out iamperfection for being wrong about how to deal with Vivax (I'm reading Vivax right now). But some of his other stuff that I've seen has been decidedly meh. Problem is, he has posted so goddamn much I don't even know what I should read of his postings. I guess I'll go find a list post or something. But he should maybe just be off the table today just because he has a long filter. - Now JSL is town, when he filtered him + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2024 22:40 Palmar wrote:
I just filtered JSL, there's actually a bunch of stuff in his posts I kinda like. Some of it is just me agreeing with how he thinks about the game (don't kill players who you know will be active), and some of it is just tonal stuff (I'm arrogant cause I don't get lynched as town). Some of it is weirdness... the guy made a case on himself.
Kinda towny - Wants to lynch vivax + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2024 22:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 22:42 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 22:37 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 22:36 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 22:31 Palmar wrote:
So thoughts on Vivax
1) His claim is dumb as shit and he shouldn't do it as town or mafia.
2) He did claim so we work with what we got
3) He didn't hide behind his claim which points to townie, he posted like 6 pages since that claim, so whatever the point was with his claim at least it wasn't "I'll just claim this and chill"
4) He is actually trying. Now I know I was wrong last game when I lynched him for not trying, but I still think there is merit in that kind of read with Vivax
In conclusion, I think he is more likely to be town than mafia, so I'm just gonna vote him for mayor.
There's also the completely stupid reason that absolutely no one seems to be calling him mafia, [/]and a bunch of people call him town but don't want to vote him as mayor. That's an indicator (admittedly a terrible one) of his sort of general standing within the town. It's like a minor town point.
That solves that problem for me.
I honestly don't feel like I know enough about the game to direct Vivax' lynch. Maybe I'll gather enough info today to help though. I think, I said, he can do this as mafia. Oh he can, what Vivax lacks in brains he has in balls. I just don't think anyone is trying to argue that he is. Like make a case on him if you think this is wrong. That's a false dichotomy. You don't have to think he is mafia in order to prefer someone else as mayor. You don't have to, I'm not your mom. But it's still stupid. Like it or not, by claiming Vivax made the game about himself. The objectively correct play as town here is to lynch him. That is literally the best play. But we've decided not to do that and I kinda think that's the right call. Essentially we assume Vivax is bad town and not mafia. If that's the case he has a very, very strong power role and we think he's town, so we just make him mayor. I really can't think of why we would not do one or the other if we're playing logically. We can always force him to kill whoever we want dead, he's not without responsibility as mayor. - TTS could be a policy lynch but hasnt done much On March 05 2024 23:05 Palmar wrote:
Dumbest scumread ever is that TTS just casually assumed he'd be alive by day 4 or something.
Also even talking about a random voting stage like we're some plebeian third world mafia site is pretty scummy.
But he's done nothing so there's no read. Good policy lynch though. - JAT is mafia, what happened to his other list? - Rayn and Palmar read JAT as mafia - Calls VE more scummy - Considers Marv mafia - Now OATS is more townish https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=115#2287- We have this jewel On March 06 2024 06:47 Palmar wrote:
Btw the wagon on me is so bad.
marv is probably just mafia
jat has literally no reason to think I am, and is probably mafia anyway.
Trfel has literally no reason to think I am
Slam is slam
Koshi has thought I am mafia every game for 10+ years. I think he just enjoys murdering me.
The only standout is DP - DP calls Palmar towniesh, palmar happy - More reads + Show Spoiler +On March 06 2024 06:54 Palmar wrote:
As for other people.
I stand by the sandroba townread, koshi is probably town too. I like Oats a lot more now for actually making sense. I also like JSL and Vivax.
I'd need VE to actually step up some again, same with Trfel. I had some reads on both but they're weak. DMB is also a weak maybe townread.
iamperfection is making sense, but the guy is smart enough to make sense when there is no pressure on him as either alignment.
DP is a little more wildcardy to me this game, I haven't always agreed with his takes.
TTS, JEalous, Hapa just need to be policied out.
I've not read or even noticed Rels at all which is a bad omen.
rayn is weird to me. I'm again getting the feeling that he's just posting a lot and saying very little, also I really, really don't like that he's not pressuring marv at all in the mason QT it seems.
Idk about CopCake, nothjin one way or the other.
MZ looks kinda bad, but it's very weak as I haven't really read him. - JAT Mafia, Tfrel more townish than JAT - Rels wants to lynch palmar - More reads + Show Spoiler + On March 06 2024 08:55 Palmar wrote:
I'm finalizing here.
I like a bunch of mafia in:
rayn
jat
rels
mz
tts
then there's gonna be some mafia in the people who should be killed on policy
vivax
trfel
hapa
then there's the people that need constant monitoring and need to improve
iamp
marv
jealous
copcake
slam
ve
and finally we have the people I have somewhere from mild to good reasons to think are town
sandro
oats
dp
dmb
jls
koshi
None of the lists are in any particular order
I don't really think Trfel will flip mafia. It's just a "I believe in people" read that he wouldn't fuck off like that as mafia with the whole "If I get lynched I get lynched" thing. But it's an objectively good lynch so I'm not going to fight it all that hard. Leaving my vote on jat. I've been burned before by placing too much faith in people not doing crazy things as mafia so it's whatever. - wants to lynch oats because of red check - Makes a case on rayn when he is already dead, but knows oats is red checked. ???????? - Oats calls Palmar mafia - Calls JSL good town and other reads https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=250#4994- Needs to read cop/JSL/dmb etc but wasnt jacob like super town? + Show Spoiler +On March 09 2024 07:11 Palmar wrote:
Essentially it comes down to:
I really need to filter dive CopCake, DMB, MZ, Rels and JSL because there's like 3 mafia in there.
One is probably either Oats or Slam, unless we're just the unluckiest town in the world.
Also if Slam and Vivax are genuinely town and both claimed on day 1, we deserve to lose.
There's gonna be a hidden mafia there somewhere. - Temped to lynch slam - temped to lynch VE because he is inactive [b]As much as I actually can't explain VE's lack of enthusiasm with anything other than him being mafia, I think we NEED to resolve this situation at some point between the red check and slam, and better now than in lylo. Problems with Palmar Tone reads VE, changes later because inactivity? Scum reads Oats, but never pushes him Says a lot about other players but when he gets questioned about them he says he hasnt filter them. JAT is mafia because ??????? Rayn called JAT mafia yet he scumread rayn when he started to question him? Temped to lynch THE COP over the red check. I dont know Palmar that much, I remember he once made a joke about Koshi that made me laugh in a game I was in obvs, if he has a mafia read does he push HARD or not? 🤷🏽♀️
I think I already clarified all of this.
I tone read VE early, and yes, changing because he didn't play seems pretty reasonable.
I did scum read Oats and allowed Koshi to beat me out of that position. I also did get pocketed by Oats defending me.
I don't think having opinions is bad, and I don't think admitting some of those opinions may be based on incomplete information is bad.
I have pretty extensively covered my reservations about JAT, up to and including why I'm voting him today.
I don't make associative reads. I don't care that rayn agreed with me on one thing, that doesn't absolve him. I called rayn mafia, correctly, for completely different things (refusing to accept how I work despite having recent evidence etc)
And yeah, Oats played really well leading up to his lynch. I was already pocketed and then saw him try really hard.
To answer your question, generally am a pretty insistent pusher of my reads. This game I have had a harder time doing that because day 1 I was under a nonsensical assault and days 2 and 3 were basically auto-lynches, not much to push there.
You will notice that the wagon I started is #1 now, so I am absolutely pushing now when the opportunity presents itself.
Being wrong isn't indicative of mafia.
Can you tell me if these answers help you at all? Could you look into JAT and Rels please? What did you think about my point about Rels?
And most importantly, why do you think you're being set up as the next lynch after me, if you think I'm mafia? Wouldn't that make you town if you got your scumread lynched?
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I like you a little better for it, had forgotten about the TTS bits of it.
No idea what it says about Rels, I don't think any mafia team member would try to defend TTS at that point in the game.
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But maybe I'm just an idiot and rels is town hero.
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Maybe, I honestly don't know. I can't remember how excitable Rels is in games, it'd be a pure tone read and I feel like I have better things to read him on.
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On March 14 2024 23:37 Koshi wrote:
I saw something fun but it completely fucks with my scumteam.
Just throw it out there.
Game is stupid enough anyway
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There's a case to be made that the mafia is all the people who have not yet gone insane
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That's cool, maybe the townies in that pool should change their lynch candidate?
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Also Vivax:
On January 17 2015 15:04 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 14:51 GlowingBear wrote:On January 17 2015 14:47 Vivax wrote:On January 17 2015 14:43 GlowingBear wrote:Wow, so many mean posts on the obs, it makes me sad  Well some of them knew some alignments (I PMd Koshi I was town post game for example), and others knew the solution cause of people other than hosts and scum being able to see scum qt). So yes, being a smartass is easy when you have access to more information. Yeah, kinda. I'm impressed with palmar hammering the scum team though. And with koshi. Yeah I totally regret that I hammered Palmar, but Artanis had me totally in the bag while Kels and marv, my scumreads, were pushing Lazer. So I basically said I'd hammer my townread to lynch marv tomorrow. And then scum manages to save the game while I'm asleep.... I'm going to send Palmar my dick in a box as an excuse.
Still waiting?
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On March 14 2024 23:56 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 23:52 Palmar wrote:Also Vivax: On January 17 2015 15:04 Vivax wrote:On January 17 2015 14:51 GlowingBear wrote:On January 17 2015 14:47 Vivax wrote:On January 17 2015 14:43 GlowingBear wrote:Wow, so many mean posts on the obs, it makes me sad Well some of them knew some alignments (I PMd Koshi I was town post game for example), and others knew the solution cause of people other than hosts and scum being able to see scum qt). So yes, being a smartass is easy when you have access to more information. Yeah, kinda. I'm impressed with palmar hammering the scum team though. And with koshi. Yeah I totally regret that I hammered Palmar, but Artanis had me totally in the bag while Kels and marv, my scumreads, were pushing Lazer. So I basically said I'd hammer my townread to lynch marv tomorrow. And then scum manages to save the game while I'm asleep.... I'm going to send Palmar my dick in a box as an excuse. Still waiting? your reading old vivax games?
I took a gander at some imperial mafia for light reading and relaxation.
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I'm chasing down dumb shit honestly.
My last attempt was to do an analysis on dmb based on how often she used the word "fucking". Cause I remember her being aggressive last game and much more mellow this one. But turns out she still loves dropping the f-bombs just as much.
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Like I feel like she is the wildcard this game. My earlier statement about freeriding this day stands.
@Vivax: you go make a case on dmb. Don't care if it's towncase or scumcase. I just think it'd be useful for the game.
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On March 15 2024 00:46 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 18:50 Palmar wrote:
Unfortunately I guess what I need is to get CC in the thread somehow and actually argue with her and I really, really don't like arguing with insane people.
@CC when you see this, lay out (again, I know I've asked you to do this before) why you're voting for me. Preferably make it at least 2 or 3 paragraphs. I don't need quotes of my posts unless you want to, just an outline of why you think I'm scum this game. Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 16:40 Palmar wrote:On March 14 2024 12:08 DarthPunk wrote:On March 14 2024 12:07 DarthPunk wrote:On March 14 2024 07:03 Palmar wrote:Too many people have decided to play weird this game too. Like we should objectively lynch CC for making absolutely no sense. Her reads are terrible, and the way in which she achieves them is terrible. Her constant tinfoiling is super annoying and doesn't actually help anyone. Do I know if she's mafia for it? No. I'm probably going to vote her this cycle because I see no chance of getting iamp killed this cycle. Also, this has been in the back of my mind the entire game, because it was like the one point I agreed with rayn on when we were arguing on N1 On March 06 2024 22:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 21:40 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 20:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
why do you* I dont think he is town. Its impossible youthink DP is pocketing Palmar if you dont think Palmar is town, if youre town. So i guess youre mafia. This is a good post, why did it take you forever to see this though? Why not see this last phase When i pointed it out? Why is cake 'deciding to play weird' and not just mafia? Because people play like mafia as town all the time and I keep lynching them for it and they keep flipping town. VE this game. Vivax last game. Etc How the hell am I supposed to now CC isn’t just a logically compromised crazy person. Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 12:36 iamperfection wrote:On March 14 2024 12:27 DarthPunk wrote:
Perfection do you think cake and palmar can be partnered? I dont think its impossible. Cop is more just confounding. I dont understand the way they think at all.I think cop is more likely to be town the palmar though. Why does it feel like some of you people are just saying this now? I know DP was on this wavelength with me all the way back in D2 when we were in mason chat, but where were all of you? If such a huge proportion of a players' posts are directionless or non-sequitur, isn't that anti-town? If we all posted in confounding ways, how would any game ever get solved? And somehow it's being held against me that I've parked my vote on the most consistently "confounding" "crazy" "insane" person in the game? Stop gaslighting me. Besides that Koshi dive she wrote, basically nothing has significantly moved the needle on CopCake's alignment for me. I can't recall a solid argument from any of you as to why CopCake is town besides meta reads and *shrug*. So, the same way Vivax basically asked me to "prove" I am town (lol), can someone "prove" to me that CopCake is more likely to be town than scum at this point?
Kinda bad post
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On March 15 2024 01:04 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 00:50 iamperfection wrote:
I mean at just a surface level they have been all over the place. Making ridiculous statements but also almost begging to be lynched. Dosnt seem like the most likely scum mindset to me the more I think about it. Yes it's possible but the more and more I think it makes me think CC has a likelihood to be town. Oh okay. I must be playing the game wrong. Sky is green. $evntyfive por cento chance-a-mundo that u r scum. Whiz bang waffle. ##Vote: Jealous^ There's my proof that I'm town.
Doesn’t work when you do it lol.
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On March 15 2024 03:18 Vivax wrote:
I don't see many benefits of switching to Jealous here with this thread sentiment.
I can try but most of the town is forcing JAT vs Palmar.
Not completely opposed to the idea of shennies onto Rels
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While Jealous sticks out as the most… structured/careful player in the thread, he also just called me town and I’m a sucker for that.
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On March 15 2024 04:08 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 04:02 Palmar wrote:On March 15 2024 03:18 Vivax wrote:
I don't see many benefits of switching to Jealous here with this thread sentiment.
I can try but most of the town is forcing JAT vs Palmar. Not completely opposed to the idea of shennies onto Rels Weren't you calling him town earlier today?
Changed my mind mid post there at one point
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