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On March 15 2024 10:36 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 10:09 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 15 2024 10:04 iamperfection wrote:
maybe we just lynch cake and pick up play next cycle. She has to be dealt with in some way and we will know 100% what happened in ve cop with rels talking to me right near the hammer.
It will clear up the thread and just be good for a purity mindset. Lets make her wish come true. I still believe now after the mason that she is just a depressed Townie. Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 10:12 die_meatbaby wrote:
I really feel bad about voting her, while seeing her finally as Town. But she doesn´t fell happy here anymore and she is self voting as well. So what else could we do? Let her be? And vote for your scumread? lol Opportunistic mindset from DMB, following DP/iam
so I should vote you?! like just a wasted single vote on you? How does that help Town?
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On March 15 2024 10:40 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 10:38 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 15 2024 10:36 Rels wrote:On March 15 2024 10:09 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 15 2024 10:04 iamperfection wrote:
maybe we just lynch cake and pick up play next cycle. She has to be dealt with in some way and we will know 100% what happened in ve cop with rels talking to me right near the hammer.
It will clear up the thread and just be good for a purity mindset. Lets make her wish come true. I still believe now after the mason that she is just a depressed Townie. On March 15 2024 10:12 die_meatbaby wrote:
I really feel bad about voting her, while seeing her finally as Town. But she doesn´t fell happy here anymore and she is self voting as well. So what else could we do? Let her be? And vote for your scumread? lol Opportunistic mindset from DMB, following DP/iam so I should vote you?! like just a wasted single vote on you? How does that help Town? Interesting post. So in your worldview, both Jealous and Palmer are town? There is no good option for a vote?
Yes I Townread Palmar
Jealous is scummy for me but not enough for a vote. Still thinking about rather vote CC (who wished do die in the mason) and hope she is lonly treator and tired of non stop selfdefending instead of depressed town.
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On March 15 2024 10:48 Vivax wrote:
Work was good today nobody died in front of me
how many hookers where there today?
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On March 15 2024 10:51 Rels wrote:
Why is it so fucking hard to lynch Palmar
Outside of the dumbtells, I never saw a reason to townread him
I don't understand why you townread him so much DP. Can't remember what you wrote in your big list, I remember you listed marv like everybody else but what else?
because he is just a narcissistic prick of Town
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gg cake. Sorry cake that you felt that way in this game.
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On March 15 2024 11:06 Vivax wrote:
Good wagons, still unhappy.
Should clear up a bit.
on which planet where that two got wagons?
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On March 15 2024 11:05 Rels wrote:
Inexcusable vote from DMB
why she asked me first in the mason to vote herself, because she feel so bad here.
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On March 15 2024 11:13 Vivax wrote:
I would have been more selfish years ago.
Maybe it‘s what I‘m lacking here.
yes pls get a conceited asshole like palmar... urg
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On March 15 2024 11:16 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 11:15 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 15 2024 11:13 Vivax wrote:
I would have been more selfish years ago.
Maybe it‘s what I‘m lacking here. yes pls get a conceited asshole like palmar... urg It‘s not easy when you could be responsible for a mislynch. But DP seems to enjoy it
yeah kinda
We should have trusted our clairvoyant. He knows the aligment from everbody 
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On March 15 2024 11:16 Rels wrote:
Fuck I don't know if I want to push that against you, it's so unfair if you're town. But it's also so EASY! "Yeah she asked me to vote her, a townread of mine, I guess I had no choice even though the opposite wagon is a scumread" ???????
THAT MAKES NO SENSE and yet it feels very very dirty to push it in case I'm wrong
WHAT SHOULD I DO INSTEAD? VOTE YOU WAS NOT AN OPTION!!!!!!!!!!
SHE FELT BAD HERE. SHE DIDN´T WANT TO PLAY WITH ASSHOLES HERE.
she is sad that rayn and marv are already in the obs heaven
I WOULD HAVE VOTE YOU OVER HER ANYTIMES. But Jeoules actually wanted to live and the way he posted before lynch was wayyy townier than before.
Sorry that I can not see the future like you
You know fucking everthing.
The perfect filter
no misslynched
always the right votes
Not suspect at all...
Are you the speaking hat from harry potter. Pls tell me who flips Gryffindor???
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On March 15 2024 11:28 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 11:25 die_meatbaby wrote:
I WOULD HAVE VOTE YOU OVER HER ANYTIMES. But Jeoules actually wanted to live and the way he posted before lynch was wayyy townier than before.
Dropping the "CopCake told me" stuff, but this though I don't see it. Can you explain further?
you were not a wagon.
Should I just let my vote on you and waste it, when I can make differnce with just one fucking vote?
I want and really hope that she will join a future game and if she wish do die then pls fucking let her die before she never joins again for feeling so unhappy in this game.
Sorry are you a player controlled by ai bots?? that would explain why you have emotion like a sheldon cooper and the jackpot Filter
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On March 15 2024 11:33 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 11:31 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 15 2024 11:28 Rels wrote:On March 15 2024 11:25 die_meatbaby wrote:
I WOULD HAVE VOTE YOU OVER HER ANYTIMES. But Jeoules actually wanted to live and the way he posted before lynch was wayyy townier than before.
Dropping the "CopCake told me" stuff, but this though I don't see it. Can you explain further? you were not a wagon. Should I just let my vote on you and waste it, when I can make differnce with just one fucking vote? I want and really hope that she will join a future game and if she wish do die then pls fucking let her die before she never joins again for feeling so unhappy in this game. Sorry are you a player controlled by ai bots?? that would explain why you have emotion like a sheldon cooper and the jackpot Filter ?????????? Can you expand on this sentence? Show nested quote +
But Jeoules actually wanted to live and the way he posted before lynch was wayyy townier than before.
Why did you think that? I had the opposite reaction, and I wasn't the only one
He did not ask do die.
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On March 15 2024 09:07 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 09:22 Jealous wrote:Did a quick dive on Palmar before I have to head out again. Based on D1 alone, I think he basically has to be town. I'll explain my thinking in the form of questions: 1. Would scum!Palmar immediately bus scum!Oats and scum!TTS practically out the gate?
2. Would scum!Palmar go along with town sentiment to elect Vivax mayor instead of what he claims is his preference, which is to lynch him for the claim?To make an addendum to #2, if we believe what Palmar is saying about wanting to lynch Vivax for the claim, I think the only world in which scum!Palmar simply gives up and lets Vivax have the election without offering resistance is if it's scum!Palmar and scum!Vivax, and if it's scum!Vivax then it basically has to be scum!DP and they bussed TTS. So, I think this is practically impossible. Therefore, I think based on this foundation, scum!Palmar is incredibly unlikely to me at this juncture. I'll refine further when I get back but this is what I have so far. Quotes for reference, non-exhaustive list (he makes other posts re: Vivax running for mayor, Oats, etc): + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2024 19:41 Palmar wrote:So I'm going to talk about a few people now. Consider this just rambling thoughts about the thread that I'm absolutely not going to read in full. Probably gonna do this in a few parts so my reads might evolve from now until I've done the last people I want to talk about. OatsmasterBoth initially, and currently, the reason he's my tentative #1 lynch target is based on exactly one thing, this: Go find that post in his filter, then read the following maybe... 20 posts? I don't think there is a single one of them where he is actually pushing to get himself elected as mayor. Ironically he scolded someone else for doing that same thing. Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:39 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Mayor will sort itself out, probably be marv at the end of the day if he is town. Hi again, not a big fan of you not pushing to be mayor, what gives? I don't think pushing for it actually does anything. You don’t seem to even want to be mayor There really isn't much else to it. The case is simply "He said he wanted to be mayor but then none of his posting seems to point towards him actually wanting to be mayor". It's far from lock scum case, it's mostly just a bad play regardless of alignment, but it's... maybe easier to explain as an attempt to do something bold as mafia. I'm gonna read more before I plant a vote or anything. VisceraEyesPart of me just wants him to be town because I'm happy VE is playing, so I admit it may be an overreaching town read. But it's mostly a tone read. He seems to be happy to be playing the game. He said he wanted mayor and actually made a few follow up posts complaining no one was voting for him. Also this isn't even alignment indicative but it's super good. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
People saying unccd in a semi open setup is making my eyes roll so hard they're doing back flips. God I've never wished I was Mafia more in a game. I have zero interest in lynching VE today. DMBSo I haven't really read anything of hers but I just wanted to make this point. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:18 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 06:13 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 06:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 06:10 Palmar wrote:
Good morning, I see we're up to a casual 60+ pages. Where did you wake up from??? It's 8am in Iceland right now, what are you talking about? Iceland has 1 or 2 hours time difference than Austria. It is not possible. You come here and directly start to lie?? It should be 9:18 or 8 :18 PM She confuses me so much. I make something that's an obvious joke, and she jumps on it? Why? My gut is "well that's stupid and townies do stupid shit". But my meta is that she's perfectly willing to do stupid shit as mafia from last game. She does get townie points for completely forgetting I exist in her list post though. But yeah, I don't actually have a read on her, it's just something I noticed. On March 05 2024 10:07 Palmar wrote:
If I was less lazy I would basically force everyone into either voting vivax mayor or voting to lynch him. Fencesitting on a blue claim is just bad.
I haven’t read his filter but my instinct is to mayor Vivax. On March 05 2024 22:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 22:42 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 22:37 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 22:36 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 22:31 Palmar wrote:
So thoughts on Vivax
1) His claim is dumb as shit and he shouldn't do it as town or mafia.
2) He did claim so we work with what we got
3) He didn't hide behind his claim which points to townie, he posted like 6 pages since that claim, so whatever the point was with his claim at least it wasn't "I'll just claim this and chill"
4) He is actually trying. Now I know I was wrong last game when I lynched him for not trying, but I still think there is merit in that kind of read with Vivax
In conclusion, I think he is more likely to be town than mafia, so I'm just gonna vote him for mayor.
There's also the completely stupid reason that absolutely no one seems to be calling him mafia, [/]and a bunch of people call him town but don't want to vote him as mayor. That's an indicator (admittedly a terrible one) of his sort of general standing within the town. It's like a minor town point.
That solves that problem for me.
I honestly don't feel like I know enough about the game to direct Vivax' lynch. Maybe I'll gather enough info today to help though. I think, I said, he can do this as mafia. Oh he can, what Vivax lacks in brains he has in balls. I just don't think anyone is trying to argue that he is. Like make a case on him if you think this is wrong. That's a false dichotomy. You don't have to think he is mafia in order to prefer someone else as mayor. You don't have to, I'm not your mom. But it's still stupid. Like it or not, by claiming Vivax made the game about himself. The objectively correct play as town here is to lynch him. That is literally the best play. But we've decided not to do that and I kinda think that's the right call. Essentially we assume Vivax is bad town and not mafia. If that's the case he has a very, very strong power role and we think he's town, so we just make him mayor. I really can't think of why we would not do one or the other if we're playing logically. We can always force him to kill whoever we want dead, he's not without responsibility as mayor. On March 05 2024 23:05 Palmar wrote:
Dumbest scumread ever is that TTS just casually assumed he'd be alive by day 4 or something.
Also even talking about a random voting stage like we're some plebeian third world mafia site is pretty scummy.
But he's done nothing so there's no read. Good policy lynch though. Going further on into D1, Palmar had some good reads. Sheeped Sandro. Outlook positive on VE (did mention they "looked at little worse" eventually though). But, they haven't all been consistent. He pulled back on Oats being bad a bit. He also thought marv was looking scummy, too. So, more of a mixed bag than my early analysis showed. Example:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 06:56 Palmar wrote:
On March 06 2024 06:53 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 06:51 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 06:48 Koshi wrote:On March 06 2024 06:47 justanothertownie wrote:
Uuuh, exciting. Is it? I think it is. The post itself is disappointing though. Smells like desperation and OMGUS. hahaha. Yeah. It's a big nothing burger.
It's a "when I die post"
You can ignore it for now.
I'm going to be so mad if marv is alive by day 4 after this shit.
Like he can lynch me, but he KNOWS he should not be doing that unless he has a really good reason to, which he doesn't. His lynch list at EOD1 isn't looking too hot: Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:43 Palmar wrote:
This is just random and for post-game purposes.
We actually have like 4 objectively correct lynches (that is correct from a "how to play mafia" perspective).
1) Vivax - All day 1 claimers should be policy lynched without question
2) TTS - Complete inactivity
3) Hapa - replacement and demotivation is something that happens much more often as mafia
4) Trfel - He literally is voting without having any clue why
But for various reasons I'm not really pushing any of those lynches. Guess I'm bad. Final list post isn't great, too. Oats is now a TR. So maybe it was fake pressure all along? Still SRing TTS though, but that's not exactly gold-star-worthy play at this point IMO. But does he bus this hard on D2? Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 19:03 Palmar wrote:
On March 06 2024 14:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Vig shot on TTS btw.
This is a good call.
Wonder what happened to this: Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 19:16 Palmar wrote:
I hate pretty much all of your takes CopCake This didn't age well, feels like a retaliatory SR: Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 00:31 Palmar wrote:
So like preemptively, I'm trying to come to a conclusion why rayn wouldn't open up my filter and ctrl+f Vivax while shouting in caps at me and I just really can't think of one.
Secondly I already explained to him as confirmed town (last game) how I differ in my approach to people's alignment. I don't tie them together like that.
raynpelikoneet
Nested quote from rayn here about how Palmar's progression on VE was scummy is interesting in retrospect. Palmar feels like he is just all over the place now, this is what sowing chaos looks like to me, especially given what was said before, especially about sandroba: Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 01:02 Palmar wrote:
I think it's possible that marv, rayn and sandroba are mafia (varying degrees of possibility) and I don't care who masoned who. Still, can't deny that he is pushing hard on the Oats wagon. I think scum!Palmar would be content to be more half-hearted about it and sheep a VE vote relatively quietly when it was gaining momentum. Notable that Koshi was one of the driving forces for the VE lynch, but I'm starting to understand that this is just Koshi things (not that I like it though). --[b]Intermission-- So far, everything from the mid point to the 3/4 mark of Palmar's filter is just a big fat nothingburger. Granted there was some drunkposting in the middle and I really sympathize with that, but it was almost all entirely lazy one-liners. Definitely "coasting" until some semblance of pressure mounted on him: Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 22:09 Palmar wrote:On March 12 2024 21:54 justanothertownie wrote:
But he can defend himself if he is town. He is a big, very important boy. Yeah no worries. It's actually kinda fun. The one thing I need, and I need other people to back me up on this. I am going to ask people why they think I am mafia, and I'm going to do it aggressively. Here's a very important point. Even if I was mafia, my teammates would absolutely want to get in on the "bus". This means that they would have to come up with good reasons to attack me. So even if townies agree that I must be mafia, be vary of who is on the train with you. And of course keep an open mind. The worst thing that can happen if I get under heavy fire is that town just shuts up and does it quietly. Essentially, if people want to hold hands and try to lynch me, I'm going to make them work for it, and in the process there is going to be a lot of information generated in the thread. The last 2 days have been pretty bad in terms of information. Oats played well but was mafia so it can all be discarded, and VE just didn't even try. That won't be the case if I'm the target. Instead what ended up happening is he just posted reasons why others were scum, so it felt like just fulfilled his town!Palmar obligations and went back to relative chill hard mode. I don't think that should be too difficult to do as scum, especially since just about everyone has some unfortunate/wrong/bad-looking stuff in their filters to latch onto, read in the most negative way, or misrep. So, I don't think that his activity today gives him all too many townie points because in the end he is just hopping from one wagon to the next, either as scum or as town for scum. -- "Conclusion"-- I think that Palmar is pretty hard to put a finger on. Did he type a lot of things? Yes. Were some of them good-sounding? Assuredly so. Does he have strong convictions, drive, and does he ever put himself into any significant danger? No. I haven't had the chance to filter JAT recently so I'll probably do that next while out, but I won't make a post like this. If I had to go off of my overall gut feeling throughout the game, I'd say that they were even more wishy-washy than Palmar, but I don't want to discredit JAT before I actually do the work, so take that with a heavy grain of salt. When done with JAT's filter, I will just insert them into my current list of scumminess (left is most town, right is most scum): Iamp > Palmar > Koshi > Cake DP and Vivax are not present because I am still operating in conftown! world for both of them, similar for DMB but obviously much less so to keep it clean and easy. PS: It seems I fucked up the bold tags somewhere but fuck it, it's legible.
You don´t post this as mafia. Like come on that is townie under pressure
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On March 15 2024 11:38 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 11:36 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 15 2024 11:33 Rels wrote:On March 15 2024 11:31 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 15 2024 11:28 Rels wrote:On March 15 2024 11:25 die_meatbaby wrote:
I WOULD HAVE VOTE YOU OVER HER ANYTIMES. But Jeoules actually wanted to live and the way he posted before lynch was wayyy townier than before.
Dropping the "CopCake told me" stuff, but this though I don't see it. Can you explain further? you were not a wagon. Should I just let my vote on you and waste it, when I can make differnce with just one fucking vote? I want and really hope that she will join a future game and if she wish do die then pls fucking let her die before she never joins again for feeling so unhappy in this game. Sorry are you a player controlled by ai bots?? that would explain why you have emotion like a sheldon cooper and the jackpot Filter ?????????? Can you expand on this sentence?
But Jeoules actually wanted to live and the way he posted before lynch was wayyy townier than before.
Why did you think that? I had the opposite reaction, and I wasn't the only one He did not ask do die. Second On March 15 2024 09:07 Jealous wrote:On March 14 2024 09:22 Jealous wrote:Did a quick dive on Palmar before I have to head out again. Based on D1 alone, I think he basically has to be town. I'll explain my thinking in the form of questions: 1. Would scum!Palmar immediately bus scum!Oats and scum!TTS practically out the gate?
2. Would scum!Palmar go along with town sentiment to elect Vivax mayor instead of what he claims is his preference, which is to lynch him for the claim?To make an addendum to #2, if we believe what Palmar is saying about wanting to lynch Vivax for the claim, I think the only world in which scum!Palmar simply gives up and lets Vivax have the election without offering resistance is if it's scum!Palmar and scum!Vivax, and if it's scum!Vivax then it basically has to be scum!DP and they bussed TTS. So, I think this is practically impossible. Therefore, I think based on this foundation, scum!Palmar is incredibly unlikely to me at this juncture. I'll refine further when I get back but this is what I have so far. Quotes for reference, non-exhaustive list (he makes other posts re: Vivax running for mayor, Oats, etc): + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2024 19:41 Palmar wrote:So I'm going to talk about a few people now. Consider this just rambling thoughts about the thread that I'm absolutely not going to read in full. Probably gonna do this in a few parts so my reads might evolve from now until I've done the last people I want to talk about. OatsmasterBoth initially, and currently, the reason he's my tentative #1 lynch target is based on exactly one thing, this: Go find that post in his filter, then read the following maybe... 20 posts? I don't think there is a single one of them where he is actually pushing to get himself elected as mayor. Ironically he scolded someone else for doing that same thing. Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:39 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Mayor will sort itself out, probably be marv at the end of the day if he is town. Hi again, not a big fan of you not pushing to be mayor, what gives? I don't think pushing for it actually does anything. You don’t seem to even want to be mayor There really isn't much else to it. The case is simply "He said he wanted to be mayor but then none of his posting seems to point towards him actually wanting to be mayor". It's far from lock scum case, it's mostly just a bad play regardless of alignment, but it's... maybe easier to explain as an attempt to do something bold as mafia. I'm gonna read more before I plant a vote or anything. VisceraEyesPart of me just wants him to be town because I'm happy VE is playing, so I admit it may be an overreaching town read. But it's mostly a tone read. He seems to be happy to be playing the game. He said he wanted mayor and actually made a few follow up posts complaining no one was voting for him. Also this isn't even alignment indicative but it's super good. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
People saying unccd in a semi open setup is making my eyes roll so hard they're doing back flips. God I've never wished I was Mafia more in a game. I have zero interest in lynching VE today. DMBSo I haven't really read anything of hers but I just wanted to make this point. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:18 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 06:13 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 06:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 06:10 Palmar wrote:
Good morning, I see we're up to a casual 60+ pages. Where did you wake up from??? It's 8am in Iceland right now, what are you talking about? Iceland has 1 or 2 hours time difference than Austria. It is not possible. You come here and directly start to lie?? It should be 9:18 or 8 :18 PM She confuses me so much. I make something that's an obvious joke, and she jumps on it? Why? My gut is "well that's stupid and townies do stupid shit". But my meta is that she's perfectly willing to do stupid shit as mafia from last game. She does get townie points for completely forgetting I exist in her list post though. But yeah, I don't actually have a read on her, it's just something I noticed. On March 05 2024 10:07 Palmar wrote:
If I was less lazy I would basically force everyone into either voting vivax mayor or voting to lynch him. Fencesitting on a blue claim is just bad.
I haven’t read his filter but my instinct is to mayor Vivax. On March 05 2024 22:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 22:42 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 22:37 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 22:36 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 22:31 Palmar wrote:
So thoughts on Vivax
1) His claim is dumb as shit and he shouldn't do it as town or mafia.
2) He did claim so we work with what we got
3) He didn't hide behind his claim which points to townie, he posted like 6 pages since that claim, so whatever the point was with his claim at least it wasn't "I'll just claim this and chill"
4) He is actually trying. Now I know I was wrong last game when I lynched him for not trying, but I still think there is merit in that kind of read with Vivax
In conclusion, I think he is more likely to be town than mafia, so I'm just gonna vote him for mayor.
There's also the completely stupid reason that absolutely no one seems to be calling him mafia, [/]and a bunch of people call him town but don't want to vote him as mayor. That's an indicator (admittedly a terrible one) of his sort of general standing within the town. It's like a minor town point.
That solves that problem for me.
I honestly don't feel like I know enough about the game to direct Vivax' lynch. Maybe I'll gather enough info today to help though. I think, I said, he can do this as mafia. Oh he can, what Vivax lacks in brains he has in balls. I just don't think anyone is trying to argue that he is. Like make a case on him if you think this is wrong. That's a false dichotomy. You don't have to think he is mafia in order to prefer someone else as mayor. You don't have to, I'm not your mom. But it's still stupid. Like it or not, by claiming Vivax made the game about himself. The objectively correct play as town here is to lynch him. That is literally the best play. But we've decided not to do that and I kinda think that's the right call. Essentially we assume Vivax is bad town and not mafia. If that's the case he has a very, very strong power role and we think he's town, so we just make him mayor. I really can't think of why we would not do one or the other if we're playing logically. We can always force him to kill whoever we want dead, he's not without responsibility as mayor. On March 05 2024 23:05 Palmar wrote:
Dumbest scumread ever is that TTS just casually assumed he'd be alive by day 4 or something.
Also even talking about a random voting stage like we're some plebeian third world mafia site is pretty scummy.
But he's done nothing so there's no read. Good policy lynch though. Going further on into D1, Palmar had some good reads. Sheeped Sandro. Outlook positive on VE (did mention they "looked at little worse" eventually though). But, they haven't all been consistent. He pulled back on Oats being bad a bit. He also thought marv was looking scummy, too. So, more of a mixed bag than my early analysis showed. Example:On March 06 2024 06:56 Palmar wrote:
On March 06 2024 06:53 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 06:51 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 06:48 Koshi wrote:On March 06 2024 06:47 justanothertownie wrote:
Uuuh, exciting. Is it? I think it is. The post itself is disappointing though. Smells like desperation and OMGUS. hahaha. Yeah. It's a big nothing burger.
It's a "when I die post"
You can ignore it for now.
I'm going to be so mad if marv is alive by day 4 after this shit.
Like he can lynch me, but he KNOWS he should not be doing that unless he has a really good reason to, which he doesn't. His lynch list at EOD1 isn't looking too hot: On March 06 2024 08:43 Palmar wrote:
This is just random and for post-game purposes.
We actually have like 4 objectively correct lynches (that is correct from a "how to play mafia" perspective).
1) Vivax - All day 1 claimers should be policy lynched without question
2) TTS - Complete inactivity
3) Hapa - replacement and demotivation is something that happens much more often as mafia
4) Trfel - He literally is voting without having any clue why
But for various reasons I'm not really pushing any of those lynches. Guess I'm bad. Final list post isn't great, too. Oats is now a TR. So maybe it was fake pressure all along? Still SRing TTS though, but that's not exactly gold-star-worthy play at this point IMO. But does he bus this hard on D2? On March 06 2024 19:03 Palmar wrote:
On March 06 2024 14:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Vig shot on TTS btw.
This is a good call.
Wonder what happened to this: On March 06 2024 19:16 Palmar wrote:
I hate pretty much all of your takes CopCake This didn't age well, feels like a retaliatory SR: On March 07 2024 00:31 Palmar wrote:
So like preemptively, I'm trying to come to a conclusion why rayn wouldn't open up my filter and ctrl+f Vivax while shouting in caps at me and I just really can't think of one.
Secondly I already explained to him as confirmed town (last game) how I differ in my approach to people's alignment. I don't tie them together like that.
raynpelikoneet
Nested quote from rayn here about how Palmar's progression on VE was scummy is interesting in retrospect. Palmar feels like he is just all over the place now, this is what sowing chaos looks like to me, especially given what was said before, especially about sandroba: On March 07 2024 01:02 Palmar wrote:
I think it's possible that marv, rayn and sandroba are mafia (varying degrees of possibility) and I don't care who masoned who. Still, can't deny that he is pushing hard on the Oats wagon. I think scum!Palmar would be content to be more half-hearted about it and sheep a VE vote relatively quietly when it was gaining momentum. Notable that Koshi was one of the driving forces for the VE lynch, but I'm starting to understand that this is just Koshi things (not that I like it though). --[b]Intermission-- So far, everything from the mid point to the 3/4 mark of Palmar's filter is just a big fat nothingburger. Granted there was some drunkposting in the middle and I really sympathize with that, but it was almost all entirely lazy one-liners. Definitely "coasting" until some semblance of pressure mounted on him: On March 12 2024 22:09 Palmar wrote:On March 12 2024 21:54 justanothertownie wrote:
But he can defend himself if he is town. He is a big, very important boy. Yeah no worries. It's actually kinda fun. The one thing I need, and I need other people to back me up on this. I am going to ask people why they think I am mafia, and I'm going to do it aggressively. Here's a very important point. Even if I was mafia, my teammates would absolutely want to get in on the "bus". This means that they would have to come up with good reasons to attack me. So even if townies agree that I must be mafia, be vary of who is on the train with you. And of course keep an open mind. The worst thing that can happen if I get under heavy fire is that town just shuts up and does it quietly. Essentially, if people want to hold hands and try to lynch me, I'm going to make them work for it, and in the process there is going to be a lot of information generated in the thread. The last 2 days have been pretty bad in terms of information. Oats played well but was mafia so it can all be discarded, and VE just didn't even try. That won't be the case if I'm the target. Instead what ended up happening is he just posted reasons why others were scum, so it felt like just fulfilled his town!Palmar obligations and went back to relative chill hard mode. I don't think that should be too difficult to do as scum, especially since just about everyone has some unfortunate/wrong/bad-looking stuff in their filters to latch onto, read in the most negative way, or misrep. So, I don't think that his activity today gives him all too many townie points because in the end he is just hopping from one wagon to the next, either as scum or as town for scum. -- "Conclusion"-- I think that Palmar is pretty hard to put a finger on. Did he type a lot of things? Yes. Were some of them good-sounding? Assuredly so. Does he have strong convictions, drive, and does he ever put himself into any significant danger? No. I haven't had the chance to filter JAT recently so I'll probably do that next while out, but I won't make a post like this. If I had to go off of my overall gut feeling throughout the game, I'd say that they were even more wishy-washy than Palmar, but I don't want to discredit JAT before I actually do the work, so take that with a heavy grain of salt. When done with JAT's filter, I will just insert them into my current list of scumminess (left is most town, right is most scum): Iamp > Palmar > Koshi > Cake DP and Vivax are not present because I am still operating in conftown! world for both of them, similar for DMB but obviously much less so to keep it clean and easy. PS: It seems I fucked up the bold tags somewhere but fuck it, it's legible. You don´t post this as mafia. Like come on that is townie under pressure Really disagree. Posting a big post under pressure near the deadline is not townie specific
Okey yes then maybe I should have taken this post more seriously and sorry that I didn´t get how scummy that actually was. But I only had one thing on my mind and that is more personally important than J at the moment.
This game takes a lot of time, nerves and energy. If you don't enjoy it anymore. No more energy and always on the verge of being lynched but not lynched. If you always have to defend yourself for 30 pages and therefore can't really try to find scum, then it's really depressing. I want Cake to come back in future games and not give up playing here. I just wanted the best for her, even if it wasn't the best for Town.
I rather lose as Town as losing a player for ever
Hope you're doing better in obs <3
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On March 15 2024 12:02 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 11:42 Rels wrote:On March 15 2024 11:37 DarthPunk wrote:On March 15 2024 11:34 Rels wrote:On March 15 2024 11:33 DarthPunk wrote:On March 15 2024 11:30 Rels wrote:On March 15 2024 11:24 Vivax wrote:
Jealous/MZ/Iamp/Palmar/JAT could have them all from the nonvoters when we had 2 or possibly three wagons on mafia at once.
Jat and Palmar together unlikely Yeah JAT has been so similar to me, the only way he's scum in my mind if is if he's purposefully copying everything I'm saying and pasting it back. Even though he shouldn't be by logic alone, I think he is my strongest townread. I would be like, honored, if he's scum and chose to mimic me. And also would learn from my mistakes for the next game hopefully lol Maybe you are scum together Mixing our fake reads in a big pastebin and taking them out when we need them? It’s the next level of bussing wifom. Makes sense if you bussed the other half of your team for example. You just realized that you were wrong all game on CopCake. You were the main cause of that almost mislynch yesterday and actual mislynch today. PLEASE take the time to readjust So I have been wrong once. Sorry I don’t know everyone’s fucking Alignments.
He is the the Oracle of Delphi. You don´t get prophecies from Apollo like he does. Maybe we should just book a flight to greek and we will know the aligment from everbody like he does
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On March 15 2024 12:15 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2024 12:50 DarthPunk wrote:On March 10 2024 12:35 Rels wrote:On March 10 2024 12:32 Rels wrote:On March 10 2024 12:24 iamperfection wrote:On March 10 2024 12:23 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 10 2024 12:20 iamperfection wrote:On March 10 2024 12:19 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 10 2024 12:14 Jealous wrote:On March 10 2024 12:13 iamperfection wrote:
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wow how could have come to such a conclusion Nah man, the greatest bus of all time is unfolding right in front of our eyes. Sorry i think I am getting blind. Can you help me to see it? i dont know if your trolling but DP shot mafia.... i think you can put 2 and 2 together. yeah he is town. I was wrong I got that. But where is the bus? he was making a joke. Because its obviously not a bus and would be the most legendary play of all time to shoot your scum partner for cred. Unecessary too, since I assume not using the shot and using it to kill a townie during the last night would gain scum a mislynch. So it would even be playing actively against their wincon With shot => 10 town vs 3 scum now => 3 ML before LYLO Without shot => 9 town (with the gun being used later) vs 4 scum => 2 ML before LYLO BTW 3 more mislynches allowed, nice. And that's assuming we don't lynch the RB at some point before all BGs die, which would open up the possibility for night saves With Vivax having to be RB though, I guess DP couldn't keep the shot actually. But could have killed the scummiest townie I guess it would have been me lol If I was mafia, I just don't claim I have the shot at all. This is just wrong though. JSL would get suspicious.
Why?
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On March 16 2024 08:28 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 07:42 iamperfection wrote:
Jealous if your town couldn't dmb just lurk? They lynch town either way, CopCake's flip makes me look bad, she got the opportunity to call me scummy to boot, and she wasn't even the one that hammered CopCake. I think it works out pretty well in scum!DMB's favor.
Why should this be good for a scum DMB?
I remember sombody was writing that if CC is Town then dmb has to be mafia or either way. I am not sure who wrote that but i think it was palmar. So why should I scumDMB risk such a thing?
The only thing I am seeing here is that people goeing mad again on people with a bad Towngame. Is this the plan because until now it didn´t help us. Lynch Ve because of Bad Town game (and he is known for that) CC playing strange means also bad Towngame and me same as well. Just voting bad Town after bad Town is not what will help us in any fucking way.
Did you filter C? Did you read her last scumreads? What about DP. How sure are we that he is really Town. I mean gunsmith can give the gun to mafia as well and shooting the inactiv mafia to get a hell of a Townread would be insane mafia move but not impossibole for DP. When DP is mafia he plays insane so why not?
Rels is the Endbos of TMI and it seems like nobody fucking cares about that and that pisses me off as hell
Another scumread of CC was Koshi. Did anybody from you maybe reread Koshi? What do we think about that? Is her read good or bad?
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I filterd Cc
On March 13 2024 16:04 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 15:57 DarthPunk wrote:
FFS cake are you scum claiming here again.
Like Koshi is your mafia read and you are asking why he was not killed by mafia. No, the answer here is Koshi didnt get killed because he is mafia. Why is it so difficult to understand me? Do i phrase things weirdly or something? I am just asking you those questions to see if we go to the same conclusions.
I will filter koshi again but first CC
On March 14 2024 04:46 CopCake wrote:
Would be stupid of mafia koshi to push mafia palmar.
On March 14 2024 05:56 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 05:36 iamperfection wrote:
And I feel like you just went through koshis filter trying to find any inconsistency possible. Also not explaining why said inconsistency makes koshi mafia - Koshi says I am unreadable and then says he can read me, then even dares to say he tone reads me. - Koshi is like Oats I need to kill you and then says “yes, I was wrong about Oats” Oats also wanted to mayor Koshi. - He hardcore townreads DP but suspects Jacob??? Even when he claimed gunsmith? He even says “Is jacob even the gunsmith?” Post #4745 so you can see his reads before Is Jacob confirmed blue gunsmith? Because I also think he might be mafia. Bit if he is blue that is wrong ofc Like I said, if he hardcore reads DP as town, why is he questioning jacob? Like if he thinks DP is town, shouldnt he believe Jacob’s claim? - Many of his decisions are based on dead players: Marv would have liked, Sandro this, Rayn that. I didnt went with the eyes of: I must find scum in Koshi. I didnt like how he reacted to me being lynched then no then yes. Felt like he was trying to prepare the scenario of “I told you so”, which I know, it will happen because I am VT. There are more things quoted, and I am phoneposting atm. I dont think I am going to get on the computer because I am tired and almost midnight. If you think is worth to talk to me please do so. If you think my case is trash ignore me.
fuck why didn´t I see that oats wanted to vote koshi as major
On March 05 2024 02:34 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Mayor
raynpelikoneet (4): JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam, raynpelikoneet, Iamperfection, raynpelikoneet
Koshi (1): Koshi
Oatsmaster (1): Oatsmaster
Vivax (0): raynpelikoneet
Not Voting (15):
First both voting for themselfs
I did not found him voting Koshi as mayjor as CC told us but he (lynch)vote out of nothing Koshi
You look in his filter page 4. There is no reason explained why he votes Koshi. Like really nothing.
On March 05 2024 04:27 Oatsmaster wrote:
##unvote
##vote koshi
few hours later he posts this and unvote Koshi. Since that time Koshi got a Townread from him.
How is this a Townread and what fucking kind of play is this.
On March 05 2024 06:03 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:53 Koshi wrote:
So I am on page 36 and I am going to call marv mafia.
and I am calling sandroba & rayn dummies for pushing the marv is town shit into this thread with literally nothing to back it up.
Fuck your shit.
town!marv is very capable to play this game and get mayor. He would be a good mayor and this game could be easy and fun.
The shit you 3 are doing is horrible and against town wincon. I also play against town wincon on purpose in previous games and marv was the one complaining and saying I shouldn't do it.
Well he is doing just that.
Now what mafia!marv would do this is an entire other story. And a very believable one.
I also dislike sandroba.
I probably like rayn but not enough to say he is for sure not mafia. But ok. I can work with him most likely. I do actually like this post from koshi
And then that:
On March 05 2024 10:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
Anyway here’s where I’m at
Town: koshi, iamp, rayn
Mafia: VE, jacob,
He never explained the Townread on Koshi. But come on thats not a post where you gonna townread somebody or am I really this stupid????
This is by the way all on the same day. Oats filter page 4 and 5 and in between this quotes there are almost no posts or questions. This Townread from Oats on Koshi looks sus for me.
Then I made my list post what was requested by Rels. My list posts are bad and always looks scummy. I still do not know who to make a non sus listpost and I am sorry for that. I will try to figure that out for future games.
Rels was co hosting games where I was in and had always the same problem as soon as I had to make a list post i got votes on me. So rels asking for that, maybe remembering that from last games and make me do it. Oats started to make this votedmb shit now.
On March 05 2024 13:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Thinking about it more, that dmb list is terrible
Town pls tell me that I am not goeing paranoid on Oats filter here!
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On March 16 2024 09:51 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 09:50 DarthPunk wrote:On March 16 2024 09:47 Vivax wrote:
In DP-speak that means he wants to survive the NK over probably town Palmar. Who does sorry? Carry on. Isn't Jealous claimed scum? tell me.
Why are you two ignoring my post? Do you not see that in oats filter that strange koshi thing. Maybe cc and I were right?
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