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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 14 2023 14:58 GMT
#1841
On December 14 2023 19:29 Holyflare wrote:
I think your contributions today have been poo poo mad scummy though

Ftfy
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 14 2023 14:59 GMT
#1842
On December 14 2023 19:30 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2023 19:29 Palmar wrote:
On December 14 2023 19:28 marvellosity wrote:
On December 14 2023 19:28 Palmar wrote:
On December 14 2023 19:26 marvellosity wrote:
Palmar, can you look at rayn please?

Like I said I just have this sense today that the game doesn’t make sense.

And that’s usually because I am townreading someone I shouldn’t be.

If rayn is maybe mafia, then sand is probably town?

Rayn is gonna be mad at me here because I’m basically calling him possible mafia for no reason other than i feel weird.


See this is what I mean by warning signs.

While I absolutely can see rayn being scum, I don't see why that has any relation to sandroba's alignment. I really only believe in individual filter reading and I think you do too.

I'm reading DMB at the moment, can look into rayn later today.

I really should be reading Trfel but I just so much do not want to do that because boring.

Rayn came in and vote switched to sand d1


That really doesn't matter in my mind. Mafia does weird shit all the time.

Weird, yes

But borderline suicidal?

COULD HAIRLESS ONE BE TOWN?

FIND OUT TONJGJT AT 7
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 14 2023 14:59 GMT
#1843
Chez seems to think Trfel is mafia.
Computer says mafia
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 14 2023 14:59 GMT
#1844
On December 14 2023 23:54 Holyflare wrote:
Did you know that you palmar haters could have the leading wagon now but instead you just whine about it and don't actually campaign properly for the wagons you want?

I want to actually kill Chezinu or DMB. If I'm wrong about who of Palmar/Marv is mafia I probably lose the game for town if we miss.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 14 2023 15:00 GMT
#1845
On December 14 2023 23:54 Palmar wrote:
I often put effort into day 1 as mafia.

What I don't do is agonize over the lynch on day 2 when I'm not even on the menu.
Fair enough, albeit self meta. I hate that my reasons to townread you are mostly meta/effort related, not that you are playing poorly, just that I haven't noticed much alignment indicative otherwise. The meta/effort read says strongly town though I think. But those can always be broken.

I'm not sure if I am ready to lynch Palmar today no matter what, unrelatedly I do kinda still think he is town, his interactions with marvellosity feel genuine, he does things that make sense, etc. But it's worth looking into for sure. Just I think there are better lynches for today by a huge margin.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 14 2023 15:01 GMT
#1846
On December 14 2023 19:39 marvellosity wrote:
I think we need to kill sand here tbh.

C h e z I n u
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 14 2023 15:01 GMT
#1847
On December 14 2023 19:42 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2023 19:41 Holyflare wrote:
On December 14 2023 19:40 Koshi wrote:
On December 14 2023 02:51 Holyflare wrote:
Trfel

+ Show Spoiler [posts] +


#72
- This is the beginning of when trfel didn't like sandro. I think the highlighted part of sandro's post is extremely waffley and bad so like that he's picking it out to pre-empt what he's about to say and get a response to it. ++

#74 - Sandro responds and to me, it looks like he should be town reading slam in #73 but somehow in his original conclusion he downplays the town read. Trfel picks up on this in this post and his next post (#75), indicating that Sandro makes absolutely no read on slam whatsoever even though he writes a lot of lines about him so it's just kind of pointless. ++

There's a bunch of questions thrown out in the next few posts and at least he follows up a bit with sandro. Not sure I like that in #118 he just kinda fobs sandro's response off but I like that he expands what he's thinking to DP. Sandro's post is riddled with open-ended unsureness that didn't seem to have a purpose. I like even more that he tries to question Slam over Slam thinking that all the reactions were overblow and it could just be mafia/mafia theatre. I'm not sure I like that Slam post even (will investigate) but Trfel does a good job of trying to dig into someone that looks like they have a thought process incongruent with theirs. ++

#120 Oh, he basically says exactly what I said above and takes back the town read. Pretty good imo. ++
Same kinda vibe with questioning DP in #124

Next few posts are just a bit of back and forth with marv interjecting and talking to DP about the sureity of his sandro read and it not being very sure. I think #136 the ending feels a bit robotic "I'm very interested to see how he follows it up" is just so generic. I also think #143 is also extremely generic in a way that the post is too formulaicly worded. Like he's just going through the motions of scum reading sandro and waiting for the next step of his programming to happen without interjecting real thoughts. --

Actually kind of like the highlighted bits being pointed out in #146, they don't really make any sense to me (DP saying that mafia likes to take strong commitments early ???). I actually hate DP in these interactions lol, good thing I didn't pay enough attention to them. ++ trfel

The next few posts in #156, #157, #159 are all good responses to DP making wtf accusations and then a weird unvote. I like that Trfel wanted it followed up.

Gonna stop linking to posts now, cba. #167 is a good question to vivax. Not sure exactly what vivax was going to achieve with his sandro question and it shows trfel is still interested in interactions in and around sandro.

#169 is basically a scum read on DP without actually saying as much. I'm not sure why he stops short of outright calling DP mafia. Don't really like it. I guess you could say he doesn't really make a conclusion on sandro too although you could argue that's just a feeler content creation case with more poignant accusations. Don't like this post regardless ---

#257 Quite like the initial points on Vivax that trfel talks about but the second half of it seems like something extra tacked on for no reason. If he doesn't know what to make of the order or if it's alignment indicative why does it matter? Feels like adding words for the sake of it and a bit hypocritical in the same respect as his accusation to sandro earlier. --

#262 Think sandro mentioned this in one of his recent posts but I also don't like that he callously threw out the vivax suspicion beforehand, found out it wasn't actually true and then still used it to almost double down on ANOTHER meaningless reason to not like what vivax said. Vivax could have quite easily caught up by skimming and then gone back to poke at questions so seems pretty mediocre. ---

As a caveat to the above, in this post above he mentions that he doesn't like that DP has fallen off after the questioning of him (doesn't bring back up the other DP points he disliked before, at least not yet. Just kinda outs it which is fine imo. Don't hate it.) +

He makes some throwaway question to me asking why I think rayn is mafia, has some follow up with rayn about vivax's posts again in #272 as if that line of thought even means something anymore. Meh. At least he acknowledges that in the same post and is just more concerned with Vivax's lack of involvement.

#287 Points out that I agree with what Vivax is saying (has a overarching view of most of Vivax's posts/stances). Will await to see the conclusion to what I say before questioning whether this is a good post or not because I'd be extra curious about what I said, given my answer was something crap like "I forgot".

#328 tries to get vivax (a scum read) to comment on DP (presumably a scum read but kind of unsaid). Good follow up I guess, shows thinking about the game at least, even if an easy post. +

#335 A correct take but not sure I understand why he's more concerned about my "overall picture of play" when I've made like 2 posts. Here is where he mentions that DP is probably asleep and wants my thoughts too. Mmmm. Questionable post imo. --

#388 No reads list but Vivax/DP/Koshi (first mention)/Sandro are in his suspect list. Not sure where Koshi came from or how.

fuck me I'm bored of investing myself into playing this game it's tedious af, just gonna summarise the rest




lot more back and forth with DP about really silly nitpicking points imo. I don't think trfel's points are that bad that DP fell off after the push on him and did not much (will double check between when DP stopped pushing and went to bed to clarify). I also don't think his point about the marv push was that bad either.

Koshi read is phoning it in but fine. Shared sentiment.

#428 is a bad post (the one talking about DP sleeping with no other push in the thread). ------

his posts about DP calling sandro basically town are correct and DP's arguments are pretty bad faith

voting for vivax is consistent and I don't think #666 is that bad given his posts previously, it's pretty much just a summary of what he's been saying, not a hipster new read thing

I also kinda liked that he stopped interacting with the DP scum read, the frustration seemed real and I dunno if he'd be that frustrated as mafia? Although would he perhaps be more accusatory if he was town and thought DP was mafia and then go after him more? Maybe he's getting frustrated because he's being misrepresented and can't really fight back properly as mafia? One to think about more.

#805 is a whatever defence of marv. Perhaps unwarranted and feels a bit like his defence of me for little reason.

#815 possibly like this post

#823 does mafia trfel really make this post to a town vivax if he knows this to be true? I'm not so sure he actually does.


tl;dr

1) I think Trfel's opening posts on sandro are decent but the suspicion drops off the face of the earth. I don't like that.

2) His argument with DP is extra pointless from DP's side. I don't think the arguments that Trfel presents calling out DP are that bad other than the sleeping thing obviously which is a bit shit but not specifically what he meant. I need to check the timeline here for when DP stopped pushing Trfel and then went to bed because if it's straight away then Trfel's points are bad. If DP stays in the thread a bit aimlessly doing nothing then Trfel's points hold a lot more merit.

3) I think his Vivax suspicion is fine but he throws in a lot of extrenuous details into it that are basically meaningless and he eventually admits that. He defaults to the same kind of argument that he thinks DP is being mafia for (no thread presence or drive) which is an ok read. I actually liked his initial questioning of Vivax over his questions to Sandroba. It shows that he was interested in people interacting with his original scum read.

4) He kind of throws out some free town reads (or at least pressure appeasing reads) on me and marv out of the blue which I feel like I've seen him do before in a previous game, or at least it tickles my brain saying I have somewhere but I can't really get a feel for why he does it. Just seems out of the blue.

5) His argument with DP I think he was mostly correct on and DP was arguing in bad faith. He gets very frustrated with being misrepresented but it doesn't seem like he cares to go the extra step to call DP mafia here or campaign for him. Instead, he leaves and comes back and decides to ignore DP to stop the back and forth (which is fine) but I think he'd be more vocal about suspicions here on his return.

6) I really think that #823 is a post a mafia trfel probably doesn't make to a vivax that he knows is town?

7) I get the overall impression that Trfel is kinda sticking to scum reads and hasn't had much evolution of them? They seem a bit static, even if it appears he's questioning them.




I dunno lol, could genuinely see him being town or mafia. I'd be more inclined to call him town, although I'm fully ready to be burnt by that position. Feel like I've wasted my precious time playing this game now.


I skimmed this a bit too hard. But yeah. Imo if you are voting Tfrel you are setting up a second town wagon or he is the counterwagon.


I thought he was probably townie and then he came out with no scum reads and no real drive to do anything with that. It has since changed after I've put my vote on him but just mulling who to switch to atm.

I am town. I really think Palmar is town. I really think Koshi is town.

It all points to sand.

Palmar has done fucj all
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 14 2023 15:02 GMT
#1848
On December 14 2023 19:43 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 11:26 die_meatbaby wrote:
On December 11 2023 10:35 Palmar wrote:
On December 11 2023 10:33 DarthPunk wrote:
On December 11 2023 10:30 Palmar wrote:
Jesus it’s so bad. Pointless commentary, terrible questions. Lots of nothing and very boring to boot. I didn’t laugh once.

We found our first mafia boys. Get in while it’s still cool


You are not wrong, but I think it's not outside of the scope of his town play.


I’m never wrong. Let’s do the vote thing.


Just to make this clear my decision to vote for Vivax is based on my own analysis and not because your ego convinced me to vote who ever you think is scum. And yes your filter looks good but you still not town for me and I will read and analysis every post you will make until you lose a bit of this self believing god player stuff here.


I genuinely think this begrudging acceptance of the Vivax lynch is towny. It's hard for me to think about scum doing this, unless I just assume DMB is completely new and does the most basic of scum trappings.

Same with this:

Show nested quote +
On December 12 2023 11:39 die_meatbaby wrote:
Fuck i don´t have a good feeling on lynch V right now. This looks so Townie just trying to not get killed. Fells like impulsive posts from emotions to keep playing.



Even if you think this is a TMI post, this followup here:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2023 11:58 die_meatbaby wrote:
this is fucking town


Makes it much more believable that there is genuine frustration here at work.

Overall I believe dmb when he's complaining about stuff like me being me. I do wish we had more contributions to go on, but to me the option of lynching DMB today, and even tomorrow, is probably not on the table.

There are people here who still remember your true badassery

You have not been badass
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 14 2023 15:03 GMT
#1849
On December 14 2023 19:45 Holyflare wrote:
I will never accept anyone as a player that lets chez get away with surviving if it comes down to that at end game btw. I am like 99% sure he's mafia and we don't have a way to deal with it.

Would rather lynch someone that gives us information today obv but do not wifom yourself out of letting him live if you need to make that decision later in the game.

HF it is time

Move with Trfel and I

I am sick of my vote for parity
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 14 2023 15:05 GMT
#1850
On December 14 2023 23:54 Palmar wrote:
I often put effort into day 1 as mafia.

What I don't do is agonize over the lynch on day 2 when I'm not even on the menu.
Is this what agonizing over the lynch looks like for Palmar though? He's discussing things but constantly seems set on lynching sandroba?

Genuine question.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 14 2023 15:06 GMT
#1851
On December 14 2023 19:45 Holyflare wrote:
I will never accept anyone as a player that lets chez get away with surviving if it comes down to that at end game btw. I am like 99% sure he's mafia and we don't have a way to deal with it.

Would rather lynch someone that gives us information today obv but do not wifom yourself out of letting him live if you need to make that decision later in the game.

Again I agree and I am chezinu's disciple.

Why would we wait on this and lynch more town.

Why be stupid to look sexy. We are not weather woman. We are mafia players. Food does not fall from the sky.

+ Show Spoiler +
Cloudy with a chance of Meatballs. The movie. Come now
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 14 2023 15:06 GMT
#1852
On December 14 2023 23:54 Holyflare wrote:
Did you know that you palmar haters could have the leading wagon now but instead you just whine about it and don't actually campaign properly for the wagons you want?

tis true lol
dmb slam sandroba
I had a good night of sleep.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 14 2023 15:07 GMT
#1853
On December 14 2023 19:48 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2023 19:45 Holyflare wrote:
I will never accept anyone as a player that lets chez get away with surviving if it comes down to that at end game btw. I am like 99% sure he's mafia and we don't have a way to deal with it.

Would rather lynch someone that gives us information today obv but do not wifom yourself out of letting him live if you need to make that decision later in the game.

99 is a lot of percent

And HF is not High ass Fool, he is HOLY FLARE

this provides light to see fucking WISDOM for once!

Why not follow wisdom!!!
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 14 2023 15:07 GMT
#1854
On December 15 2023 00:05 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2023 23:54 Palmar wrote:
I often put effort into day 1 as mafia.

What I don't do is agonize over the lynch on day 2 when I'm not even on the menu.
Is this what agonizing over the lynch looks like for Palmar though? He's discussing things but constantly seems set on lynching sandroba?

Genuine question.

He wouldn’t be here getting his hands dirty like this. That’s what I believe.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 14 2023 15:08 GMT
#1855
On December 14 2023 19:52 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2023 19:48 marvellosity wrote:
On December 14 2023 19:45 Holyflare wrote:
I will never accept anyone as a player that lets chez get away with surviving if it comes down to that at end game btw. I am like 99% sure he's mafia and we don't have a way to deal with it.

Would rather lynch someone that gives us information today obv but do not wifom yourself out of letting him live if you need to make that decision later in the game.

99 is a lot of percent


It's 100 but I want to keep up the guise of being reasonable

If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 14 2023 15:09 GMT
#1856
On December 14 2023 20:04 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2023 19:45 Holyflare wrote:
I will never accept anyone as a player that lets chez get away with surviving if it comes down to that at end game btw. I am like 99% sure he's mafia and we don't have a way to deal with it.

Would rather lynch someone that gives us information today obv but do not wifom yourself out of letting him live if you need to make that decision later in the game.

This is actually correct.

If in lylo with Chez alive, you just hold your breath and lynch him. It's annoying but that's the optimal play as much as it sucks.

Why wait?
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 14 2023 15:10 GMT
#1857
Day Two Vote Count

sandroba (4): marvellosity, Koshi, Palmar, Holyflare, Holyflare
Chezinu (2): Trfel, Alakaslam
Trfel (1): sandroba, Holyflare, Chezinu, Alakaslam
die_meatbaby (1): sandroba
Palmar (0): sandroba

Not Voting (2):die_meatbaby, raynpelikoneet

With 4 votes, sandroba is currently set to be lynched!

The deadline is Friday, Dec 15 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 14 2023 15:11 GMT
#1858
Slam why don't you want to lynch Sandroba?
I had a good night of sleep.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 14 2023 15:11 GMT
#1859
Don’t really know what you’re doing slam tbh

Why are you so sure about Chez?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 14 2023 15:11 GMT
#1860
Good post slam found:
On December 14 2023 19:43 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 11:26 die_meatbaby wrote:
On December 11 2023 10:35 Palmar wrote:
On December 11 2023 10:33 DarthPunk wrote:
On December 11 2023 10:30 Palmar wrote:
Jesus it’s so bad. Pointless commentary, terrible questions. Lots of nothing and very boring to boot. I didn’t laugh once.

We found our first mafia boys. Get in while it’s still cool


You are not wrong, but I think it's not outside of the scope of his town play.


I’m never wrong. Let’s do the vote thing.


Just to make this clear my decision to vote for Vivax is based on my own analysis and not because your ego convinced me to vote who ever you think is scum. And yes your filter looks good but you still not town for me and I will read and analysis every post you will make until you lose a bit of this self believing god player stuff here.


I genuinely think this begrudging acceptance of the Vivax lynch is towny. It's hard for me to think about scum doing this, unless I just assume DMB is completely new and does the most basic of scum trappings.

Same with this:

Show nested quote +
On December 12 2023 11:39 die_meatbaby wrote:
Fuck i don´t have a good feeling on lynch V right now. This looks so Townie just trying to not get killed. Fells like impulsive posts from emotions to keep playing.



Even if you think this is a TMI post, this followup here:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2023 11:58 die_meatbaby wrote:
this is fucking town


Makes it much more believable that there is genuine frustration here at work.

Overall I believe dmb when he's complaining about stuff like me being me. I do wish we had more contributions to go on, but to me the option of lynching DMB today, and even tomorrow, is probably not on the table.


These posts of reads by DMB which Palmar is quoting as town are the easiest shit to make as scum, since she knows Vivax is town. There is no mafia in danger so DMB has no reason to push mafia agenda at EOD. If she is Mafia she is trying to appear townie before the flip, why would this ever be AI towards town. At best you can argue it's NAI.

DMB has plenty of scummy posts where she provides no real reads or the direction she wants to go, always leaving the decision for later and later.

Palmar is hyper-focused on some NAI shit of DMB while ignoring all scummy posts she has made.

Palmar's last sentence "the option of lynching DMB today, and even tomorrow, is probably not on the table" should really be impossible for town Palmar to make.
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