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On December 14 2023 23:25 sandroba wrote:
Can you rephrase the question, don't know what exactly you are asking based on the post you are quoting Your initial townread of Palmar was due to thinking Vivax was mafia, correct? Since Palmar was the main person pushing Vivax, it makes sense that if Vivax is mafia, Palmar is town.
I am wondering why you kept thinking Palmar is town after Vivax flipped town? I know you recently flipped to scumread him but there was quite a delay between those events.
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pretty scummy of rayn to not have a vote down.
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On December 14 2023 23:30 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2023 23:25 sandroba wrote:
Can you rephrase the question, don't know what exactly you are asking based on the post you are quoting Your initial townread of Palmar was due to thinking Vivax was mafia, correct? Since Palmar was the main person pushing Vivax, it makes sense that if Vivax is mafia, Palmar is town. I am wondering why you kept thinking Palmar is town after Vivax flipped town? I know you recently flipped to scumread him but there was quite a delay between those events.
This is not how the game works.
If sandroba believed I was town for pushing Vivax because he agreed, why would me being wrong change his mind? By that logic he should scumread himself for also having been wrong.
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On December 14 2023 23:31 Palmar wrote:
pretty scummy of rayn to not have a vote down. While I think raynpelikoneet is pretty suspicious, it looks like something came up IRL for him, he's been away for quite a while. I wouldn't consider that alignment indicative.
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On December 14 2023 23:30 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2023 23:25 sandroba wrote:
Can you rephrase the question, don't know what exactly you are asking based on the post you are quoting Your initial townread of Palmar was due to thinking Vivax was mafia, correct? Since Palmar was the main person pushing Vivax, it makes sense that if Vivax is mafia, Palmar is town. I am wondering why you kept thinking Palmar is town after Vivax flipped town? I know you recently flipped to scumread him but there was quite a delay between those events.
He could have been just wrong at that point, normally the main proponent of a lynch is town, but at that point was thinking I wouldn't put beyond mafia Palmar doing that. After the mason thing, he is just mafia.
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On December 14 2023 23:33 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2023 23:30 Trfel wrote:On December 14 2023 23:25 sandroba wrote:
Can you rephrase the question, don't know what exactly you are asking based on the post you are quoting Your initial townread of Palmar was due to thinking Vivax was mafia, correct? Since Palmar was the main person pushing Vivax, it makes sense that if Vivax is mafia, Palmar is town. I am wondering why you kept thinking Palmar is town after Vivax flipped town? I know you recently flipped to scumread him but there was quite a delay between those events. He could have been just wrong at that point, normally the main proponent of a lynch is town, but at that point was thinking I wouldn't put beyond mafia Palmar doing that. After the mason thing, he is just mafia.
All I can say is, if we flip you and I’m wrong and you’re town, I won’t ignore what you’ve said about Palmar.
Because I am petrified I am just being his cheerleader and I’m leading town into oblivion. But I just don’t think so.
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On December 14 2023 23:32 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2023 23:30 Trfel wrote:On December 14 2023 23:25 sandroba wrote:
Can you rephrase the question, don't know what exactly you are asking based on the post you are quoting Your initial townread of Palmar was due to thinking Vivax was mafia, correct? Since Palmar was the main person pushing Vivax, it makes sense that if Vivax is mafia, Palmar is town. I am wondering why you kept thinking Palmar is town after Vivax flipped town? I know you recently flipped to scumread him but there was quite a delay between those events. This is not how the game works. If sandroba believed I was town for pushing Vivax because he agreed, why would me being wrong change his mind? By that logic he should scumread himself for also having been wrong. Isn't that the definition of an association read? Specifically an unflipped association read (which then becomes flipped)?
It's one thing if he said that the way you were pushing Vivax was towny. As far as I could tell, he said that he thought you were towny because you were pushing Vivax and Vivax was very likely mafia. That's a key difference.
But yes, I do think that if you are townreading someone because you think they are right and they end up being wrong, you shouldn't townread them for that anymore. Obviously that doesn't apply to oneself because you don't need to have a read on oneself.
Very confused.
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yeah but all the people who like association reads are terrible at mafia.
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I don't think I'll be able to convince anyone Palmar is mafia today due to how much people already suspect me. I'd be down to lynch DMB/Chezinu.
To anyone who is town: Please let's rally and find a good lynch today. Don't let the mafia steamroll this lynch on me and be in the same spot tomorrow with DMB and Chezinu alive, being convinced by Palmar and his cheerleader they were just wrong and now we must lynch Trfel or w/e.
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On December 14 2023 23:36 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2023 23:32 Palmar wrote:On December 14 2023 23:30 Trfel wrote:On December 14 2023 23:25 sandroba wrote:
Can you rephrase the question, don't know what exactly you are asking based on the post you are quoting Your initial townread of Palmar was due to thinking Vivax was mafia, correct? Since Palmar was the main person pushing Vivax, it makes sense that if Vivax is mafia, Palmar is town. I am wondering why you kept thinking Palmar is town after Vivax flipped town? I know you recently flipped to scumread him but there was quite a delay between those events. This is not how the game works. If sandroba believed I was town for pushing Vivax because he agreed, why would me being wrong change his mind? By that logic he should scumread himself for also having been wrong. Isn't that the definition of an association read? Specifically an unflipped association read (which then becomes flipped)? It's one thing if he said that the way you were pushing Vivax was towny. As far as I could tell, he said that he thought you were towny because you were pushing Vivax and Vivax was very likely mafia. That's a key difference. But yes, I do think that if you are townreading someone because you think they are right and they end up being wrong, you shouldn't townread them for that anymore. Obviously that doesn't apply to oneself because you don't need to have a read on oneself. Very confused.
If the reasoning is legit and the way of pushing someone is pro town, then the flip has limited (but yes, some) impact on this.
Townies are the ones with imperfect information and will get things wrong.
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On December 14 2023 23:37 Palmar wrote:
yeah but all the people who like association reads are terrible at mafia. I agree that association reads are generally poor but I don't think that is relevant to the line of questioning?
Thanks for answering, sandroba. I want to check what you are saying about the thread sentiment being against Vivax before Palmar started pushing him. That would actually be rather interesting.
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On December 14 2023 23:35 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2023 23:33 sandroba wrote:On December 14 2023 23:30 Trfel wrote:On December 14 2023 23:25 sandroba wrote:
Can you rephrase the question, don't know what exactly you are asking based on the post you are quoting Your initial townread of Palmar was due to thinking Vivax was mafia, correct? Since Palmar was the main person pushing Vivax, it makes sense that if Vivax is mafia, Palmar is town. I am wondering why you kept thinking Palmar is town after Vivax flipped town? I know you recently flipped to scumread him but there was quite a delay between those events. He could have been just wrong at that point, normally the main proponent of a lynch is town, but at that point was thinking I wouldn't put beyond mafia Palmar doing that. After the mason thing, he is just mafia. All I can say is, if we flip you and I’m wrong and you’re town, I won’t ignore what you’ve said about Palmar. Because I am petrified I am just being his cheerleader and I’m leading town into oblivion. But I just don’t think so.
See, the warning signs. I hate them.
But I also can't deal with it now so I'm going to continue ignoring.
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On December 14 2023 23:37 sandroba wrote:
I don't think I'll be able to convince anyone Palmar is mafia today due to how much people already suspect me. I'd be down to lynch DMB/Chezinu.
To anyone who is town: Please let's rally and find a good lynch today. Don't let the mafia steamroll this lynch on me and be in the same spot tomorrow with DMB and Chezinu alive, being convinced by Palmar and his cheerleader they were just wrong and now we must lynch Trfel or w/e.
Well you do know how to play on my fears and ego, I will definitely give you that. It’s not even scummy as I think you’d do it as either alignment.
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On December 14 2023 23:40 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2023 23:35 marvellosity wrote:On December 14 2023 23:33 sandroba wrote:On December 14 2023 23:30 Trfel wrote:On December 14 2023 23:25 sandroba wrote:
Can you rephrase the question, don't know what exactly you are asking based on the post you are quoting Your initial townread of Palmar was due to thinking Vivax was mafia, correct? Since Palmar was the main person pushing Vivax, it makes sense that if Vivax is mafia, Palmar is town. I am wondering why you kept thinking Palmar is town after Vivax flipped town? I know you recently flipped to scumread him but there was quite a delay between those events. He could have been just wrong at that point, normally the main proponent of a lynch is town, but at that point was thinking I wouldn't put beyond mafia Palmar doing that. After the mason thing, he is just mafia. All I can say is, if we flip you and I’m wrong and you’re town, I won’t ignore what you’ve said about Palmar. Because I am petrified I am just being his cheerleader and I’m leading town into oblivion. But I just don’t think so. See, the warning signs. I hate them. But I also can't deal with it now so I'm going to continue ignoring.
I just don’t care Palmar. Man up
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If you don’t think I’m right to be nervous, you’re insane.
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On December 14 2023 23:37 sandroba wrote:
I don't think I'll be able to convince anyone Palmar is mafia today due to how much people already suspect me. I'd be down to lynch DMB/Chezinu.
To anyone who is town: Please let's rally and find a good lynch today. Don't let the mafia steamroll this lynch on me and be in the same spot tomorrow with DMB and Chezinu alive, being convinced by Palmar and his cheerleader they were just wrong and now we must lynch Trfel or w/e.
The list on you is me, Koshi, Marv and Holyflare.
You say "don't let the mafia steamroll this lynch on me".
Are these mafia-steamrollers in the room with us right now?
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On December 14 2023 23:35 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2023 23:33 sandroba wrote:On December 14 2023 23:30 Trfel wrote:On December 14 2023 23:25 sandroba wrote:
Can you rephrase the question, don't know what exactly you are asking based on the post you are quoting Your initial townread of Palmar was due to thinking Vivax was mafia, correct? Since Palmar was the main person pushing Vivax, it makes sense that if Vivax is mafia, Palmar is town. I am wondering why you kept thinking Palmar is town after Vivax flipped town? I know you recently flipped to scumread him but there was quite a delay between those events. He could have been just wrong at that point, normally the main proponent of a lynch is town, but at that point was thinking I wouldn't put beyond mafia Palmar doing that. After the mason thing, he is just mafia. All I can say is, if we flip you and I’m wrong and you’re town, I won’t ignore what you’ve said about Palmar. Because I am petrified I am just being his cheerleader and I’m leading town into oblivion. But I just don’t think so.
WHY are you being his cheerleader though? You accused me of being submissive while you are doing worse with Palmar.
Why would it take my flip for you to reconsider? It should be pretty obvious to anyone that I'm town. The only thing productive I can really do at this point is be obvious town and let other townies with more cred push a good lynch.
It's clear I'm not as good at finding mafia as I used to be, why would you look at Palmar after I flip town?
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On December 14 2023 23:42 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2023 23:35 marvellosity wrote:On December 14 2023 23:33 sandroba wrote:On December 14 2023 23:30 Trfel wrote:On December 14 2023 23:25 sandroba wrote:
Can you rephrase the question, don't know what exactly you are asking based on the post you are quoting Your initial townread of Palmar was due to thinking Vivax was mafia, correct? Since Palmar was the main person pushing Vivax, it makes sense that if Vivax is mafia, Palmar is town. I am wondering why you kept thinking Palmar is town after Vivax flipped town? I know you recently flipped to scumread him but there was quite a delay between those events. He could have been just wrong at that point, normally the main proponent of a lynch is town, but at that point was thinking I wouldn't put beyond mafia Palmar doing that. After the mason thing, he is just mafia. All I can say is, if we flip you and I’m wrong and you’re town, I won’t ignore what you’ve said about Palmar. Because I am petrified I am just being his cheerleader and I’m leading town into oblivion. But I just don’t think so. WHY are you being his cheerleader though? You accused me of being submissive while you are doing worse with Palmar. Why would it take my flip for you to reconsider? It should be pretty obvious to anyone that I'm town. The only thing productive I can really do at this point is be obvious town and let other townies with more cred push a good lynch. It's clear I'm not as good at finding mafia as I used to be, why would you look at Palmar after I flip town?
No, I don’t think it’s obvious you’re town at all. And saying it’s obvious doesn’t make it any more obvious.
The reason it would take your flip is I really really think Palmar is town
And an Unflipped sandro who I think is mafia is not going to make me reconsider.
A confirmed town sandro is.
Simple as that
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On December 14 2023 23:42 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2023 23:37 sandroba wrote:
I don't think I'll be able to convince anyone Palmar is mafia today due to how much people already suspect me. I'd be down to lynch DMB/Chezinu.
To anyone who is town: Please let's rally and find a good lynch today. Don't let the mafia steamroll this lynch on me and be in the same spot tomorrow with DMB and Chezinu alive, being convinced by Palmar and his cheerleader they were just wrong and now we must lynch Trfel or w/e. The list on you is me, Koshi, Marv and Holyflare. You say "don't let the mafia steamroll this lynch on me". Are these mafia-steamrollers in the room with us right now?
You and marv, if you are an annoying lazy bum who is losing this game for town by yourself, Marv and Koshi
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On December 14 2023 23:41 marvellosity wrote:
If you don’t think I’m right to be nervous, you’re insane.
Point is we both are.
If Sandroba somehow flips green that means both our top 2 scum reads on day 1 were wrong. If we are somehow both town in that situation we almost deserve to lose.
And I can't really complain too much because I will have been wrong twice... just as much as you.
In a game where tomorrow is lylo, this is a very, very scary proposition. Today's lynch may decide the game. Which is why I'm trying to figure out if there is a chance yesterday was TvT.
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