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Palmar:
If you look on his older games like SNMMII, Personality, Liar Game Mini Mafia he is an insane mafia player (don´t want to push your ego more, but I have to say it.) You don´t change you play style like other players does and this mabye scares me to just not see it, but we have to think of you as mafia as well. In Liar Game Mini Mafia you also lead Town to Vote on Townies and won as Mafia (yeah I know you got lynched but still the first 4 Days was amazing fucking game.
When Koshi is Mafia he is lazy and tired of beeing Mafia. He is here also bit lazy here but not lazy enough for beeing Mafia (atm) Also by every other player you can see slightly difference how they play as Mafia and how the play as Town. You pushing Town to vote on Vivax makes you the townleader who direction Towns but also makes you insane mafia, because you already did that stuff. You manged in LGMM to lead the town to vote a weak townie out D1 everbody voted VE out and I know to get VE wagon is not hard at all just smart and an asshole move btw, because VE is always a easy lynch (We all know that)
I know over years you change normaly, but you do not. When you look at Koshi playing Mafia years ago he was activ and agressvily playing, now he just don´t want to be mafia and is lazy, don´t post much and just go on a randon voting train from town. Thats why I think Koshi is Town atm. He is more activ here than he would as Mafia
Sandro:
You looks less scum to me since I checked you profile as well. You are weak Mafia or it appears to me like this. But what I can say is that you ask so many question as Town. Like in every Town game what I could find you just asked everybody question over question and I don´t feel like this insane question routine you had is happening here. Maybe you changed. But I have to read more from your old games as soon as I find time for it.
Trfl (worst gamername btw)
Noir Mini Mafia is the best game to see how you play as Town, because you show emotions about voting a Town a you take way more pressure on your main mafia thought. You are a very emotional townie and easy to read as Town as well. In this game it seems you don´t take afford to find scum and just jump on an vote wagon from other people. I will quote you later and show you what i mean. But for now i have time problems for the next hours i try to post more and more specif as well.
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That sass on VE is pretty hilarious
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Here's the thing though. My brain 100% accepts the possibility that Trfel is mafia.
I just wanna kill sandroba.
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On December 14 2023 21:23 Trfel wrote:
Palmar, may I ask why my play is so boring to you?
Show me where you've actually had an impact on town sentiment.
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On December 11 2023 12:36 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 21:13 Vivax wrote:Hello. On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote:
Hi everyone, excited to be playing a game after being away from Mafia for so long! I believe I have some familiarity with most if not all players on the list, although I might be very outdated in accessing their meta.
So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling.
For Trfel, some might say I'm nit-picking, but I don't like the self-demeaning tone about his performance right out of the gate. Also, some generic advice and deadlines which sounds like trying to say something just to fit in. This could be understandable because we are mostly trying to generate some content at this point and get the discussion going, but this advice at this point so far away from the deadline doesn't do us much good at face value or as a conversation starter. Leaning suspicious from what I've seen so far. We have Trfel and Slam entering the thread rather casually in my opinion. This approach by Sandro sticks out as overthinking and doesn't really seem like he's attempting to form some kind of real contact with them. I don't like the phrasing in parts either (bolded). 'Posting within what I expected' comes out of the blue as you should be expectation-free if you don't know his alignment. 'Self-demeaning tone' is something I don't spot, where is the part of his filter that suggests that? On December 10 2023 13:23 sandroba wrote:
I remember him being a bit wacky, careless, and somewhat random. Always found him hard to access in terms of alignment, but mostly remember he goes into more self-preservation mode and tones it down when mafia. Not sure how much that still applies, but I found his initial posts care-free, with a bit of prodding which I kinda liked, but done in a lighthearted way which could just again be his care-free nature This is a piece of pseudo-information as it doesn't really help in reaching a conclusion on Slam either. Sandroba, are these posts your legitimate opinion or did you write them mostly with the intent of creating a discussion surrounding Trfels and Slams alignments? I feel like this post sounds very unnatural, and also has some confusion about things that were already clarified in the thread at the point this post was made. The 'Posting within what I expected' part was asked by Trfel and I did clarify what I meant. 'Self-demeaning tone about his performance' is something very obvious if you read the post if you read the post I was talking about which he mentions his chances of finding mafia. The reasoning to me sound extremely contrieved, trying to blend in with thread sentiment while appearing to be putting in an effort. This post really does come out of nowhere right after the Vivax wagon is building momentum, doesn't it. I think it's plausible town without the context but the context looks pretty bad, especially given how old the post sandroba is referencing is. Maybe I'm just hard scumsiding 
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On December 14 2023 22:53 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2023 21:23 Trfel wrote:
Palmar, may I ask why my play is so boring to you? Show me where you've actually had an impact on town sentiment. That's not something that is in my control? I am truly confused, I can say what I say but it's up to others if they believe it or not?
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On December 14 2023 23:01 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2023 22:53 Palmar wrote:On December 14 2023 21:23 Trfel wrote:
Palmar, may I ask why my play is so boring to you? Show me where you've actually had an impact on town sentiment. That's not something that is in my control? I am truly confused, I can say what I say but it's up to others if they believe it or not?
This is not true.
A good townie who actually believes his ideas will push for his ideas to be recognized.
Aimless commentary that no one listens to is what mafia really, really wants.
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On December 12 2023 00:19 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 16:57 Trfel wrote:On December 11 2023 13:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Trfel are you around?
Can you give me your updated reads now you are voting vivax I'm asleep. I think Vivax is the best chance at mafia. His play is very underwhelming and uninspired, in contrast to his town play where he is capable of being a very strong player. He also seems to not care about his relatively poor performance/lack of investmemt. Sandroba and Koshi might be worth considering but I think I like lynching Vivax more by a decent margin. Trfel I had been leaning town from the burst of engagement, but this post really set off some alarms for me. Vivax mentioned that he was weary from the bottom feeders on his wagon, and if I was town Vivax I would definitely be all over this post in particular. The wording, tone and reasoning on this post don't seem to match the rest of his filter. Seems like a formal way to justify a vote, looks like it's fabricated and a chore. So he is questioning his townread of me (which soon becomes a scumread) due to how I voted for Vivax. But the post after, he appears to be townreading Palmar due to Palmar voting for Vivax, since he thinks Vivax is mafia? If he is that certain about Vivax being mafia why does he talk about what town Vivax should do in reference to me being mafia? I get that Palmar was the one with the big "case" on Vivax but it doesn't feel quite right.
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Palmar's game in a nutshell: sees thread sentiment, pretends to be in charge and goes along with misslynches on town. Yesterday Vivax, today on me. Never explains any scum read either on Vivax or me (look for it in his posts), town reads me in mason chat, but refuses to post any substantiated read in the thread. He has no reason to think I'm scum and should have been like 95% confident I'm town at this point (confessed to reading me town in the mason chat) but he doesn't want to consider any other scenarios. MAFIA. 100% lynch, don't let him get away with this.
Marv is like his little cheerleader: Guys! Palmar is really town! Look how towny of Palmar doing all this nothingness! Either MAFIA or BAD. His reason to think I'm mafia is because I'm wrong on Trfel, which I probably am, while he is wrong on everything and propping up thread sentiment that Palmar is town.
Koshi: Has a ton of reads I agree with day1. Reads me town for most of the game: Has a super good DMB read which I get behind on. Decides to sheep marv (?). Fuck knows.
HF: Seems to be the only one actually pondering other players instead of following this stupid baseless wagon on me. He backed off after I lashed out on him (which I assume he must have read as townie after he digested it for a bit) and seems to be thinking about the game. The chezinu comment irks me, lynching for info instead of lynching almost certain mafia is scummy. If chezinu is mafia adn we build a wagon on him, mafia players will be more likely to make excuses like "Chezinu is just a troll", "his lynch provides no info" etc. Which is better information than lynching a townie that nobody has any qualms lynching.
Trfel: If he is mafia he should get an award because he is going against thread sentiment on me, despite knowing when I flip town, town will go on him regardless. Trfel is TOWN.
DMB: just mafia probably. All reads are wish-washy and non-commital. Promises explanations and never delivers. Minimal investment.
Chezinu: have to say 80% mafia. Palmar is against his lynch. He thinks vigis that might not exist should take care of him.
Rayn: had good activity day 1, but died off. Interaction with DP during the night looks a bit fake to me. My reason for town reading him day 1 was probably stupid.
Slam: Probably town? If he was mafia I'd expect at least a little bit of distancing from partners, but instead he viewed as town by 100% of players. I think mafia probably spilled him town.
Updated game view:
Scum team: Palmar, DMB, Chez
Possible replacements: Marv, Koshi, rayn
Town: HF, Slam, Trfel
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On December 14 2023 23:06 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2023 23:01 Trfel wrote:On December 14 2023 22:53 Palmar wrote:On December 14 2023 21:23 Trfel wrote:
Palmar, may I ask why my play is so boring to you? Show me where you've actually had an impact on town sentiment. That's not something that is in my control? I am truly confused, I can say what I say but it's up to others if they believe it or not? This is not true. A good townie who actually believes his ideas will push for his ideas to be recognized. Aimless commentary that no one listens to is what mafia really, really wants. With all due respect, that hasn't been my experience. And while you've played as much mafia as anyone, I've played a decent amount myself.
Just surprised you see it so differently from me.
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The last point I made about sandroba's post is invalid, please disregard. My apologies.
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On December 14 2023 23:07 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 00:19 sandroba wrote:On December 11 2023 16:57 Trfel wrote:On December 11 2023 13:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Trfel are you around?
Can you give me your updated reads now you are voting vivax I'm asleep. I think Vivax is the best chance at mafia. His play is very underwhelming and uninspired, in contrast to his town play where he is capable of being a very strong player. He also seems to not care about his relatively poor performance/lack of investmemt. Sandroba and Koshi might be worth considering but I think I like lynching Vivax more by a decent margin. Trfel I had been leaning town from the burst of engagement, but this post really set off some alarms for me. Vivax mentioned that he was weary from the bottom feeders on his wagon, and if I was town Vivax I would definitely be all over this post in particular. The wording, tone and reasoning on this post don't seem to match the rest of his filter. Seems like a formal way to justify a vote, looks like it's fabricated and a chore. So he is questioning his townread of me (which soon becomes a scumread) due to how I voted for Vivax. But the post after, he appears to be townreading Palmar due to Palmar voting for Vivax, since he thinks Vivax is mafia? If he is that certain about Vivax being mafia why does he talk about what town Vivax should do in reference to me being mafia? I get that Palmar was the one with the big "case" on Vivax but it doesn't feel quite right.
Some assumptions here are wrong. I thought Vivax was mafia and liked Palmar as town at that point because I was assuming Vivax was mafia. I didn't like your vote on Vivax because I thought your reasoning sounded fabricated, Vivax being mafia or town, it just looked to me like you were justifying jumping on a wagon. I've come to terms that I you just post in a way that seems unnatural to me and I'm probably just flat out wrong.
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On December 14 2023 01:56 sandroba wrote:
I'm not rulling off palmar as mafia, but I don't think it's worth considering for now Sandroba, can I ask what your reasoning was at this time? About 20 hours ago or so? Or really just post Day 1 flip.
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Can you rephrase the question, don't know what exactly you are asking based on the post you are quoting
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On December 14 2023 23:08 sandroba wrote:
Palmar's game in a nutshell: sees thread sentiment, pretends to be in charge and goes along with misslynches on town. Yesterday Vivax, today on me. Never explains any scum read either on Vivax or me (look for it in his posts), town reads me in mason chat, but refuses to post any substantiated read in the thread. He has no reason to think I'm scum and should have been like 95% confident I'm town at this point (confessed to reading me town in the mason chat) but he doesn't want to consider any other scenarios. MAFIA. 100% lynch, don't let him get away with this.
Marv is like his little cheerleader: Guys! Palmar is really town! Look how towny of Palmar doing all this nothingness! Either MAFIA or BAD. His reason to think I'm mafia is because I'm wrong on Trfel, which I probably am, while he is wrong on everything and propping up thread sentiment that Palmar is town.
Koshi: Has a ton of reads I agree with day1. Reads me town for most of the game: Has a super good DMB read which I get behind on. Decides to sheep marv (?). Fuck knows.
HF: Seems to be the only one actually pondering other players instead of following this stupid baseless wagon on me. He backed off after I lashed out on him (which I assume he must have read as townie after he digested it for a bit) and seems to be thinking about the game. The chezinu comment irks me, lynching for info instead of lynching almost certain mafia is scummy. If chezinu is mafia adn we build a wagon on him, mafia players will be more likely to make excuses like "Chezinu is just a troll", "his lynch provides no info" etc. Which is better information than lynching a townie that nobody has any qualms lynching.
Trfel: If he is mafia he should get an award because he is going against thread sentiment on me, despite knowing when I flip town, town will go on him regardless. Trfel is TOWN.
DMB: just mafia probably. All reads are wish-washy and non-commital. Promises explanations and never delivers. Minimal investment.
Chezinu: have to say 80% mafia. Palmar is against his lynch. He thinks vigis that might not exist should take care of him.
Rayn: had good activity day 1, but died off. Interaction with DP during the night looks a bit fake to me. My reason for town reading him day 1 was probably stupid.
Slam: Probably town? If he was mafia I'd expect at least a little bit of distancing from partners, but instead he viewed as town by 100% of players. I think mafia probably spilled him town.
Updated game view:
Scum team: Palmar, DMB, Chez
Possible replacements: Marv, Koshi, rayn
Town: HF, Slam, Trfel
I could just be bad. The sad realisation of age.
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I love that sandroba actually believed me calling him towny in the thing :D
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Day Two Vote Count
sandroba (4): marvellosity, Koshi, Palmar, Holyflare, Holyflare
Trfel (2): sandroba, Holyflare, Chezinu, Alakaslam,
Chezinu (1): Trfel
Palmar (1): sandroba
Not Voting (2):die_meatbaby, raynpelikoneet
With 4 votes, sandroba is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Friday, Dec 15 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
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I absolutely do not want to put in the work....
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