EPTOn December 15 2023 00:11 Koshi wrote:
Slam why don't you want to lynch Sandroba?
Slam why don't you want to lynch Sandroba?
The fact Koshi posts this at the same time I am posting something similar further cements my townread on him
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marvellosity
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The fact Koshi posts this at the same time I am posting something similar further cements my townread on him | ||
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Koshi
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On December 13 2023 10:44 Alakaslam wrote: Ok Town (not ordered) DP Rayn Marv Dmb Town lean Holyflare Mafia Trfel Sandroba ??? Rest unknown stance On December 13 2023 10:45 Alakaslam wrote: Likely busy. Possible mafia. His work schedule is mine on steroids. So your mafia reads are sandroba, Palmar, Chez and Tfrel? | ||
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sandroba
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Alakaslam
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On December 14 2023 23:08 sandroba wrote: Palmar's game in a nutshell: sees thread sentiment, pretends to be in charge and goes along with misslynches on town. Yesterday Vivax, today on me. Never explains any scum read either on Vivax or me (look for it in his posts), town reads me in mason chat, but refuses to post any substantiated read in the thread. He has no reason to think I'm scum and should have been like 95% confident I'm town at this point (confessed to reading me town in the mason chat) but he doesn't want to consider any other scenarios. MAFIA. 100% lynch, don't let him get away with this. Marv is like his little cheerleader: Guys! Palmar is really town! Look how towny of Palmar doing all this nothingness! Either MAFIA or BAD. His reason to think I'm mafia is because I'm wrong on Trfel, which I probably am, while he is wrong on everything and propping up thread sentiment that Palmar is town. Koshi: Has a ton of reads I agree with day1. Reads me town for most of the game: Has a super good DMB read which I get behind on. Decides to sheep marv (?). Fuck knows. HF: Seems to be the only one actually pondering other players instead of following this stupid baseless wagon on me. He backed off after I lashed out on him (which I assume he must have read as townie after he digested it for a bit) and seems to be thinking about the game. The chezinu comment irks me, lynching for info instead of lynching almost certain mafia is scummy. If chezinu is mafia adn we build a wagon on him, mafia players will be more likely to make excuses like "Chezinu is just a troll", "his lynch provides no info" etc. Which is better information than lynching a townie that nobody has any qualms lynching. Trfel: If he is mafia he should get an award because he is going against thread sentiment on me, despite knowing when I flip town, town will go on him regardless. Trfel is TOWN. DMB: just mafia probably. All reads are wish-washy and non-commital. Promises explanations and never delivers. Minimal investment. Chezinu: have to say 80% mafia. Palmar is against his lynch. He thinks vigis that might not exist should take care of him. Rayn: had good activity day 1, but died off. Interaction with DP during the night looks a bit fake to me. My reason for town reading him day 1 was probably stupid. Slam: Probably town? If he was mafia I'd expect at least a little bit of distancing from partners, but instead he viewed as town by 100% of players. I think mafia probably spilled him town. Updated game view: Scum team: Palmar, DMB, Chez Possible replacements: Marv, Koshi, rayn Town: HF, Slam, Trfel Which is why I now want to follow HF I'm not even saying or feeling particularly that Palmar is mafia, he seems more ego blind rn to maintain thread control. HF meanwhile has a good read that people are ignoring INCLUDING HIS OWN DAM SELF LOL BECAUSE HE HAS TO LISTEN TO POWAH S3XY PLAYAZ which tbh, I get because usually they ARE badass | ||
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Palmar
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Sandroba, or any readable player, gives far more information. Everybody voting chez would be doing it for the same reason. | ||
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marvellosity
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I just don’t buy it. | ||
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sandroba
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Palmar is pushing mafia agenda, if you think you have a super good chance of hitting mafia lynching a troll you go for it. Mafia will subtly try to push the lynch on someone else and argue it's a random guess. You can get lots of information from that. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On December 12 2023 02:37 Holyflare wrote: Noting this post because it's the first one where Chez breaks character and it's rayn talking about Sandroba doing nothing and deflecting. What do you make of this point HF made? Is it something mafia Chez would do? | ||
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sandroba
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On December 15 2023 00:16 marvellosity wrote: 94 pages of game and our best d2 lynch is Chez? I just don’t buy it. See case in point. | ||
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marvellosity
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What’s the ironclad case on Chez then? | ||
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Trfel
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On December 15 2023 00:16 marvellosity wrote: If you have to lynch Chezinu sooner or later anyway, does the information gained matter? Like sure you maybe have more info for day 3 LYLO but you lynch Chezinu anyway so did it get you anywhere? Or are you saying you POE Chezinu's alignment?94 pages of game and our best d2 lynch is Chez? I just don’t buy it. | ||
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marvellosity
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On December 15 2023 00:18 Trfel wrote: If you have to lynch Chezinu sooner or later anyway, does the information gained matter? Like sure you maybe have more info for day 3 LYLO but you lynch Chezinu anyway so did it get you anywhere? Or are you saying you POE Chezinu's alignment? You can partly determine chez’s alignment by how other people approach him Of course information matters | ||
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sandroba
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On December 15 2023 00:15 Palmar wrote: Sandroba, or any readable player, gives far more information. Everybody voting chez would be doing it for the same reason. Not true, I'm actually saying that Chezinu is not doing his town meta, being less fun in the thread, breaking off character with my slight pressure which all make it way more likely he is Mafia. Chezinu is not totally unreadable. He does more when town and less when mafia. He is more serious when mafia, and more engaging when town. | ||
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sandroba
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On December 15 2023 00:18 marvellosity wrote: What’s the ironclad case on Chez then? Case in point, mafia trying to dismiss Chezinu's lynch as a cop out. | ||
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marvellosity
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On December 15 2023 00:21 sandroba wrote: Case in point, mafia trying to dismiss Chezinu's lynch as a cop out. Doesn’t answer the question, although you have answered it just after. And I understand that case on Chez. But again if our best bet is that a troll is being a bit less engaging than normal, that’s a poor d2 lynch. | ||
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marvellosity
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On December 15 2023 00:21 sandroba wrote: Case in point, mafia trying to dismiss Chezinu's lynch as a cop out. I’m not even in your current mafia team. | ||
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sandroba
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We have to assume we will be able to make better and better decisions on who is mafia with more days. Thus if we resign to killing Chezinu on MYLO we are cutting town short of a full day of posts by all other players. Much more optimal to lynch the random guess which chances will not improve in the passing days early on and have more time to analyze the players whose chances of correctly guessing alignment will improve. All of this to say even if you think Chezinu is a random chance it's optimal to lynch him now. | ||
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