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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 14 2023 15:11 GMT
#1861
On December 15 2023 00:11 Koshi wrote:
Slam why don't you want to lynch Sandroba?

The fact Koshi posts this at the same time I am posting something similar further cements my townread on him
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 14 2023 15:12 GMT
#1862
On December 13 2023 10:44 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2023 10:03 DarthPunk wrote:
Slam reads please.

And sandro.

You should both be here.

Ok

Town (not ordered)
DP
Rayn
Marv
Dmb

Town lean
Holyflare

Mafia
Trfel
Sandroba
???

Rest unknown stance


On December 13 2023 10:45 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2023 10:38 DarthPunk wrote:
On December 13 2023 10:32 Alakaslam wrote:
On December 13 2023 07:51 DarthPunk wrote:
On December 13 2023 01:47 marvellosity wrote:
Finding it hard to envisage 3 mafia outside of sandro though. Unless it’s both Slam and Chez which would just make this game really, really irritating.


FWIW I think chez would be more engaged if slam was on his team.

Does a student so easily motivate his teacher?


You can't drop off so hard from your day one play slam.

Surely you have an opinion on chez.

Likely busy. Possible mafia.

His work schedule is mine on steroids.


So your mafia reads are sandroba, Palmar, Chez and Tfrel?
I had a good night of sleep.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 14 2023 15:12 GMT
#1863
Chez is probably mafia, my 2 top towns are on Chez. I'm assuming HF who is 95% sure about Chez will join as well
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 14 2023 15:13 GMT
#1864
On December 14 2023 23:08 sandroba wrote:
Palmar's game in a nutshell: sees thread sentiment, pretends to be in charge and goes along with misslynches on town. Yesterday Vivax, today on me. Never explains any scum read either on Vivax or me (look for it in his posts), town reads me in mason chat, but refuses to post any substantiated read in the thread. He has no reason to think I'm scum and should have been like 95% confident I'm town at this point (confessed to reading me town in the mason chat) but he doesn't want to consider any other scenarios. MAFIA. 100% lynch, don't let him get away with this.

Marv is like his little cheerleader: Guys! Palmar is really town! Look how towny of Palmar doing all this nothingness! Either MAFIA or BAD. His reason to think I'm mafia is because I'm wrong on Trfel, which I probably am, while he is wrong on everything and propping up thread sentiment that Palmar is town.

Koshi: Has a ton of reads I agree with day1. Reads me town for most of the game: Has a super good DMB read which I get behind on. Decides to sheep marv (?). Fuck knows.

HF: Seems to be the only one actually pondering other players instead of following this stupid baseless wagon on me. He backed off after I lashed out on him (which I assume he must have read as townie after he digested it for a bit) and seems to be thinking about the game. The chezinu comment irks me, lynching for info instead of lynching almost certain mafia is scummy. If chezinu is mafia adn we build a wagon on him, mafia players will be more likely to make excuses like "Chezinu is just a troll", "his lynch provides no info" etc. Which is better information than lynching a townie that nobody has any qualms lynching.

Trfel: If he is mafia he should get an award because he is going against thread sentiment on me, despite knowing when I flip town, town will go on him regardless. Trfel is TOWN.

DMB: just mafia probably. All reads are wish-washy and non-commital. Promises explanations and never delivers. Minimal investment.

Chezinu: have to say 80% mafia. Palmar is against his lynch. He thinks vigis that might not exist should take care of him.

Rayn: had good activity day 1, but died off. Interaction with DP during the night looks a bit fake to me. My reason for town reading him day 1 was probably stupid.

Slam: Probably town? If he was mafia I'd expect at least a little bit of distancing from partners, but instead he viewed as town by 100% of players. I think mafia probably spilled him town.

Updated game view:
Scum team: Palmar, DMB, Chez
Possible replacements: Marv, Koshi, rayn
Town: HF, Slam, Trfel


Which is why I now want to follow HF

I'm not even saying or feeling particularly that Palmar is mafia, he seems more ego blind rn to maintain thread control.

HF meanwhile has a good read that people are ignoring INCLUDING HIS OWN DAM SELF LOL BECAUSE HE HAS TO LISTEN TO POWAH S3XY PLAYAZ which tbh, I get because usually they ARE badass
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 14 2023 15:14 GMT
#1865
If Chez is mafia it doesn’t make it any less likely that sand is, is the thing
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
December 14 2023 15:15 GMT
#1866
On December 15 2023 00:09 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2023 20:04 Palmar wrote:
On December 14 2023 19:45 Holyflare wrote:
I will never accept anyone as a player that lets chez get away with surviving if it comes down to that at end game btw. I am like 99% sure he's mafia and we don't have a way to deal with it.

Would rather lynch someone that gives us information today obv but do not wifom yourself out of letting him live if you need to make that decision later in the game.

This is actually correct.

If in lylo with Chez alive, you just hold your breath and lynch him. It's annoying but that's the optimal play as much as it sucks.

Why wait?

Sandroba, or any readable player, gives far more information. Everybody voting chez would be doing it for the same reason.
Computer says mafia
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 14 2023 15:16 GMT
#1867
94 pages of game and our best d2 lynch is Chez?

I just don’t buy it.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 14 2023 15:16 GMT
#1868
On December 15 2023 00:09 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2023 20:04 Palmar wrote:
On December 14 2023 19:45 Holyflare wrote:
I will never accept anyone as a player that lets chez get away with surviving if it comes down to that at end game btw. I am like 99% sure he's mafia and we don't have a way to deal with it.

Would rather lynch someone that gives us information today obv but do not wifom yourself out of letting him live if you need to make that decision later in the game.

This is actually correct.

If in lylo with Chez alive, you just hold your breath and lynch him. It's annoying but that's the optimal play as much as it sucks.

Why wait?

Palmar is pushing mafia agenda, if you think you have a super good chance of hitting mafia lynching a troll you go for it. Mafia will subtly try to push the lynch on someone else and argue it's a random guess. You can get lots of information from that.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 14 2023 15:16 GMT
#1869
@Slam:

On December 12 2023 02:37 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 05:27 Chezinu wrote:
On December 11 2023 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 11 2023 05:07 sandroba wrote:
I understand your point about feigning certainty as a strategy but fail to see how that makes me suspicious still. Are you saying that although my post had good observations and moved the game in a pro-town manner because I didn't do it like you would have done it is suspicious? Not sure I buy that completely from your perspective.
Definitely not something to hinge a whole narrative on and derive reads from. Especially when your own post is full of tentative language and demonstrations of uncertainty regarding palmar's posts.

I think you should start raising suspicions, or at least having reads, in case you're town, but then again i don't know if i need to tell you this.

People suspect you, if you're town, get over it, stop defending and start producing something of substance (because people suspect you as you don't produce anything of substance -- right or wrong)



If you need help sandroba, you can read my posts to learn how to have people not think you post nothing of substance.


+ Show Spoiler +
Lol!!


Noting this post because it's the first one where Chez breaks character and it's rayn talking about Sandroba doing nothing and deflecting.


What do you make of this point HF made? Is it something mafia Chez would do?
I had a good night of sleep.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 14 2023 15:16 GMT
#1870
On December 15 2023 00:16 marvellosity wrote:
94 pages of game and our best d2 lynch is Chez?

I just don’t buy it.

See case in point.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 14 2023 15:18 GMT
#1871
On December 15 2023 00:16 sandroba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2023 00:16 marvellosity wrote:
94 pages of game and our best d2 lynch is Chez?

I just don’t buy it.

See case in point.

What’s the ironclad case on Chez then?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 14 2023 15:18 GMT
#1872
On December 15 2023 00:16 marvellosity wrote:
94 pages of game and our best d2 lynch is Chez?

I just don’t buy it.
If you have to lynch Chezinu sooner or later anyway, does the information gained matter? Like sure you maybe have more info for day 3 LYLO but you lynch Chezinu anyway so did it get you anywhere? Or are you saying you POE Chezinu's alignment?
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 14 2023 15:19 GMT
#1873
On December 15 2023 00:18 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2023 00:16 marvellosity wrote:
94 pages of game and our best d2 lynch is Chez?

I just don’t buy it.
If you have to lynch Chezinu sooner or later anyway, does the information gained matter? Like sure you maybe have more info for day 3 LYLO but you lynch Chezinu anyway so did it get you anywhere? Or are you saying you POE Chezinu's alignment?

You can partly determine chez’s alignment by how other people approach him

Of course information matters
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 14 2023 15:20 GMT
#1874
On December 15 2023 00:15 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2023 00:09 Alakaslam wrote:
On December 14 2023 20:04 Palmar wrote:
On December 14 2023 19:45 Holyflare wrote:
I will never accept anyone as a player that lets chez get away with surviving if it comes down to that at end game btw. I am like 99% sure he's mafia and we don't have a way to deal with it.

Would rather lynch someone that gives us information today obv but do not wifom yourself out of letting him live if you need to make that decision later in the game.

This is actually correct.

If in lylo with Chez alive, you just hold your breath and lynch him. It's annoying but that's the optimal play as much as it sucks.

Why wait?

Sandroba, or any readable player, gives far more information. Everybody voting chez would be doing it for the same reason.

Not true, I'm actually saying that Chezinu is not doing his town meta, being less fun in the thread, breaking off character with my slight pressure which all make it way more likely he is Mafia.
Chezinu is not totally unreadable. He does more when town and less when mafia. He is more serious when mafia, and more engaging when town.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 14 2023 15:21 GMT
#1875
On December 15 2023 00:18 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2023 00:16 sandroba wrote:
On December 15 2023 00:16 marvellosity wrote:
94 pages of game and our best d2 lynch is Chez?

I just don’t buy it.

See case in point.

What’s the ironclad case on Chez then?

Case in point, mafia trying to dismiss Chezinu's lynch as a cop out.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 14 2023 15:22 GMT
#1876
On December 15 2023 00:21 sandroba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2023 00:18 marvellosity wrote:
On December 15 2023 00:16 sandroba wrote:
On December 15 2023 00:16 marvellosity wrote:
94 pages of game and our best d2 lynch is Chez?

I just don’t buy it.

See case in point.

What’s the ironclad case on Chez then?

Case in point, mafia trying to dismiss Chezinu's lynch as a cop out.

Doesn’t answer the question, although you have answered it just after.

And I understand that case on Chez.

But again if our best bet is that a troll is being a bit less engaging than normal, that’s a poor d2 lynch.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 14 2023 15:23 GMT
#1877
On December 15 2023 00:21 sandroba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2023 00:18 marvellosity wrote:
On December 15 2023 00:16 sandroba wrote:
On December 15 2023 00:16 marvellosity wrote:
94 pages of game and our best d2 lynch is Chez?

I just don’t buy it.

See case in point.

What’s the ironclad case on Chez then?

Case in point, mafia trying to dismiss Chezinu's lynch as a cop out.

I’m not even in your current mafia team.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 14 2023 15:24 GMT
#1878
the fact this sandro lynch is so fucking difficult is telling me this is the right lynch
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 14 2023 15:26 GMT
#1879
Even if we did assume Chezinu was a random guess (which he isn't, way more likely he is mafia here, but I digress) lynching him only at LYLO is simply the worst play possible.

We have to assume we will be able to make better and better decisions on who is mafia with more days. Thus if we resign to killing Chezinu on MYLO we are cutting town short of a full day of posts by all other players. Much more optimal to lynch the random guess which chances will not improve in the passing days early on and have more time to analyze the players whose chances of correctly guessing alignment will improve.

All of this to say even if you think Chezinu is a random chance it's optimal to lynch him now.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 14 2023 15:27 GMT
#1880
I actually think Chez is probably mafia and what’s happening here is that mafia are angling to sacrifice Chez and discredit the “town leaders” by flipping him
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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