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Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 07 2023 05:20 GMT
#28
I’m like totally /in
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 09 2023 12:23 GMT
#305
Heyooo party people! I’m spending my entire day at an amusement park today and have like no time to play, so y’all need to just deal with it.
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 10 2023 10:35 GMT
#649
Allright, I need to like speedread the the whole discussion not about me here.

Who wants to get free townpoints by offering me a summary of relevant events?
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 10 2023 19:25 GMT
#776
I have had like the busiest weekend ever sitting pretty and drinkin vegan soy cafe latte at the edge of the town. Now it’s my time to walk into the centre with my fancy state of the art stiletto heels and proclaim Alakaslam vibes town to me. I put on my curved sunglasses as I look at the bright monitor once again, hoping to get beyond page 7 before the day ends.
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 10 2023 19:36 GMT
#778
On June 09 2023 15:16 Chezinu wrote:
The morning arrived, casting a soft glow upon the world as I stepped outside, my heart pounding with anticipation. Today was the day I would confront my fears head-on, the day I would open the letter waiting patiently in my mailbox and lower the red flag that had taunted me for so long.

Approaching the mailbox, I took a deep breath, mustering every ounce of courage within me. With trembling hands, I unlatched the lid, revealing the solitary envelope resting inside. It was as if the letter held a hidden power, a secret that could change everything.

Gingerly, I withdrew the envelope from its enclosure, feeling the weight of its contents in my grasp. The paper felt delicate, as if it held a multitude of untold stories within its fibers. The Master's rules echoed in my mind once more, reminding me not to reveal anything personal about the sender.

I carefully slit the envelope open, revealing the neatly folded letter contained within. Unfolding it, I held my breath, unsure of what I would find. The words that met my eyes were unexpected, a departure from the sterile nature of my usual deliveries.

"Dear Courier, I know the burden you carry. The fear, the isolation. But remember, there is strength in unity, even in the face of an oppressive regime. Do not let the Master's control extinguish your spirit. Take solace in the small acts of rebellion, for they hold the power to ignite change. Lower the red flag today, reclaim your freedom. Together, we can defy the chains that bind us."

As I read those words, a surge of hope coursed through my veins. It was as if the sender had understood my turmoil, my yearning for connection and liberation. Their message was a call to action, a rallying cry that resonated deep within me.

Determined, I closed the letter and slipped it back into the envelope. The weight of the Master's gaze and the consequences of my actions paled in comparison to the flicker of rebellion that had ignited within me. Today, I would defy the Master's control, even if only in a small, symbolic act.

With renewed purpose, I reached up and gently lowered the red flag, its descent a defiance against the oppressive grip of the Master. The symbolic act sent a surge of exhilaration through me, a sense of liberation that I hadn't felt in so long.

The raised red flag had represented fear and subservience, but now, as it stood lowered, it became a beacon of hope, a symbol of resilience and the possibility of change. I had taken a step towards reclaiming my identity, towards forging a path of my own in the face of an oppressive regime.

As I closed the mailbox, a newfound sense of empowerment filled me. The journey ahead would not be easy, but I had found allies, kindred spirits in the shadows. Together, we would continue to resist, to sow the seeds of rebellion, and to fight for a future where personal connections and individuality were celebrated.

With each step I took on my mail courier route that day, I carried with me the words of the sender. They fueled my determination, reminding me that I was not alone in my struggles. I would continue to deliver the unsealed letters, but now, I would also carry within me the invisible threads that connected us, the whispers of unity and defiance against the Master's oppressive rule.


Like, what should I drink alongside my latte for this to have a meaning? What spice am I missing?
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 10 2023 19:39 GMT
#779
On June 09 2023 15:30 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2023 15:28 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:15 die_meatbaby wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So okay DP.

In my opinion you asking me who to lynch right now only really makes sense if you think i should have or could have a scum read based on something in the game. Did you think i should have a scumread at that point of the game and if yes, then who would that be and why? If you don't, why did you ask the question -- and furthermore why did you try to "force" me to answer when i clearly said i can't answer at that point?


Tbh this is a normal way to start the game. Of course we can´t know already who is who or if somebody make scum or not. Its imposible to manage it in the first 10 posts of the game and just 3-4 players are active right now. But how else should the game get started. It seems like a normal questing to just ignore chez and slam usually meme/troll posts. Somebody has to make a start here and this is just a normal way. Only second game here but seems normal to me (for now)


This.


Not always, mafia can pretend to “scumhunt” and engage conversation.


Cakeroni, who’s pretending to scumhunt here?
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 10 2023 21:17 GMT
#791
On June 11 2023 05:52 Hapahauli wrote:
Re: CopCake

Also not a fan of lynching her. She seemed to take genuine offense at being called mafia, which is an objectively townie trait. I take those emotions (especially sustained, over a long period of posting) in much higher regard than some weird sequence of posting early in the game.


Copcake is aggressive in a way that would come natural for town, but would have to be faked for wolf. Is Copcake a faker with a poker face or not?
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 11 2023 10:06 GMT
#1108
I was not aware that nights are talky this game, that's not how these games are usually played. Thought I'd use the quiet night to catch up with the game.

In my vision Copcake, Alakaslam and Hapahauli are all town. With Alakaslam that's more of the tone and the way he conveyed his thoughts early game that makes me read him town. Copcake's aggression makes me read that slot as town. and Hapahauli's request of clarification for activity rules here makes me think he has genuine concern on my slot, which would more naturally come from town.

Haven't read the thread for pr claims, but will need to check if there are any clears.

If Darthpunk is town, I would say there is a good chance that there is one mafia there. I don't think Copcake is mafia, so either Lightning or Vivax.

Copcake, what's the reason you voted DarthPunk?



Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 11 2023 10:08 GMT
#1110
On June 09 2023 14:51 Chezinu wrote:
I was told that I appeared too townie last game, so I will work on it this game. I will try not to highly convince everyone that I am a certain role. I will try and be multiple roles in multiple realities.

I will deliver my post everyday to prevent the master from killing me. However, I must warn you. The master will kill whoever doesn't post everyday.

If everyone does post, someone still must go. For the master will make us choose who must go. Then they will be no more.


Oh, I forgot I had marked this post mentally.

What happened in the last game Chezinu refers here? I'm trying to make sense as to does this make sense from a towny perspective or not.
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 11 2023 10:10 GMT
#1111
On June 11 2023 19:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
LS claimed to be a tracker.


LS is Lightning? Explains why his wagon disappeared. I think this means there is a good chance in there being one between DarthPunk and Vivax, unless someone can sell me a good case on CopcCake.
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 11 2023 10:16 GMT
#1115
On June 11 2023 19:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2023 19:06 Vayoletta wrote:
[...]
If Darthpunk is town, I would say there is a good chance that there is one mafia there. I don't think Copcake is mafia, so either Lightning or Vivax.

Copcake, what's the reason you voted DarthPunk?


I am assuming you are talking about DarthPunk voters here?
If you think Cake is town why are you questioning her instead of the non-town reads for their votes?


I want to know what's the case on DP, and I trust Cake's answer more than Vivax's. Now that I know that LS is town though, would have been better to ask him for that case.
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 11 2023 10:21 GMT
#1117
On June 09 2023 18:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2023 18:45 TankTopTiger wrote:
I've read the thread twice now. I waited until I was reading the second time to actually post anything.

I mean you quoted:
post 1
post 2
post 3
post 4

Why did you post questions on them in order
post 2
post 1
post 3
post 4


Now this is a slight read, but I think rayn would be more likely to push on small things like this as town instead of a wolf. To my understanding rayn likes to hunt wolves without really caring about how it affects how he's viewed in the game as town. Anyone with meta on rayn can give input on whether he'd push things like this as wolf or not.
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 11 2023 10:28 GMT
#1118
On June 09 2023 21:42 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2023 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 09 2023 21:36 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 21:30 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 17:05 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 17:03 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote:
[quote]

But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽‍♀️

Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point.


Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool.

I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game.

Now your turn.


But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?

I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?

Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull.



Are you reading the thread?

Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions?

You are not operating in good faith.

I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn

Why do you not know this??


- someone else -

Or only rayn’s opinion matters? Because it looked like you wanted his reads so you can formulate yours based on that, just how you jumped on me.

Is this hard to understand?


You do t understand clearly.

I asked Rayn this question because he asked me the same at the start of last game. That’s explained itt so I don’t know what the fuck you are on about here lol.

But I do know you aren’t operating in good faith cause this is all available info.


So, how it is operating in good faith?, not questioning you perhaps?


Because the questions you are asking are answered by reading the thread, because I have clearly explained and responded to those questions.

tbh she was asking you why you think Slam is town, and mostly that, and i had the same concern at the time, so i don't think that's a good basis for a scumread.


Im not scum reading her for that, I'm scum reading her because she wont explain her town read on you that was super early and super strong and when she did explain it doesn;t even make sense.

The whole premise of her arguments from the beginning relies on you being town, so why was it so hard for her to explain a good reason for you to be town? Especially when in the obs thread a meta of her being suspicious of you exists.

Further, all the questions she asked had already been answered in the thread, so she was either asking those questions having not read my answers, or she was operating in bad faith because she was mafia.,

Those two factors are enough at this juncture.

##Vote: Copcake


Hmm. This does seem a bit like a level 1 read where DP does not take into account why on earth Cake would waltz into the game with a strong townread on rayn, especially when, according to rayn's earlier post, Cake always misreads rayn's tonwgames as wolfgames when Cake observes rayn's games.

I'm not sold on this vote, and I wonder if would DP genuinely make a read like this as town.
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 11 2023 10:33 GMT
#1121
On June 09 2023 23:02 TankTopTiger wrote:
@Rayn & CC
I don't think it's plausible that you are both red so I'm going to trust you both when you say it's reasonable for CC to trust Rayn in this game. I'm trusting you two to know each other better than I know you. CC isn't completely off the hook with me, she's still probably most red, but not deep red like she would have been if Rayn answered differently.

I'm gonna go to bed, I expect tomorrow we can resolve these claims about lying etc. with some slower posting if need be.



I think TTT has had the best reaction on the DP/Cake/rayn mess. Like, I know some wolves like to act all reasonable to look townie in situations like this, but it's more likely town than wolf.
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 11 2023 10:36 GMT
#1122
On June 11 2023 19:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Of course i would, it would be similar "outage in logic" that i am looking for as town.

Why do you think there must be mafia in DP wagon? The counter-wagon has flipped town, in case DP is town as well what does it matter where mafia votes?


I think DP's early game was not that strong and that he would have been easy to push. I also think parking a vote there could have been good strategically for wolves as usually the voters of the flipped town wagon are scrutinized the most.

I'm nowhere near page 47 yet, but will hopefully make it there during the night. I'm hosting a quest until monday, so that's when I get to play serious and read the rest of the thread if I can't reach it till the end.
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 11 2023 20:53 GMT
#1156
On June 12 2023 05:04 Vivax wrote:
@ Vayo, DP

Are you two familiar with each other?


Yeah, rayn already responded for this, but I confirm I'm not familiar with DP.
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 11 2023 20:57 GMT
#1157
On June 12 2023 02:30 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2023 19:06 Vayoletta wrote:
I was not aware that nights are talky this game, that's not how these games are usually played. Thought I'd use the quiet night to catch up with the game.

In my vision Copcake, Alakaslam and Hapahauli are all town. With Alakaslam that's more of the tone and the way he conveyed his thoughts early game that makes me read him town. Copcake's aggression makes me read that slot as town. and Hapahauli's request of clarification for activity rules here makes me think he has genuine concern on my slot, which would more naturally come from town.

Haven't read the thread for pr claims, but will need to check if there are any clears.

If Darthpunk is town, I would say there is a good chance that there is one mafia there. I don't think Copcake is mafia, so either Lightning or Vivax.

Copcake, what's the reason you voted DarthPunk?





Sorry I found this when I was filtering you.

At the time I found very oportunistic how he jumped on me, only after rayn made a comment about “why lunch have something to do with this? Darth already answered you.” Which he didn’t. I was waiting to see how he was reading and why slam was town.

But Darth just “oooffeeed” the comment and said I was mafia bla bla bla “good catch ryan”. I told him he didn’t answer me and went full spirall after that. His mmmmm playstyle, is quite agressive, he call people “bad players”, “only baby can read” and didn’t consider other people’s opinion.

Nevertheless, his end of the day would be way toooooo risky for mafia, like insane because he could be lynched, like the best he could do as mafia was to sit in the shadows and wait for baby to die but he tried to get the lynch an inactive. (You)

He needs to recalibrate and be a little bit more humble, it seems he only cares what ryan has to say, ttt and big personalities.


I'm slowly getting into the latter part of the game, I've read like halfway today and will finish the rest tomorrow.

Considering that Baby flipped town, I don't think DP would have had any urgency to flip me on D1. I think he'd have identified me as an easy push for another day where it matters more.

Like, I need to read through the latter half of the game, but this point, if true, makes DP an unlikely wolf.
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 12 2023 18:36 GMT
#1377
Im now free from my long term guest and can play properly.

My PoE right now is Vivax, Chez, Marvellosity and Mz.

I believe LS’s claim. I read Copcake and Slam town. I trust rayn’s and CopCake’s point on DP to not suspect him now, but I am not quite sold on rayn being town. I hope I will find him as I go through the material.

I hope I did not forget anyone.
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 12 2023 18:56 GMT
#1380
On June 13 2023 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2023 03:36 Vayoletta wrote:
Im now free from my long term guest and can play properly.

My PoE right now is Vivax, Chez, Marvellosity and Mz.

I believe LS’s claim. I read Copcake and Slam town. I trust rayn’s and CopCake’s point on DP to not suspect him now, but I am not quite sold on rayn being town. I hope I will find him as I go through the material.

I hope I did not forget anyone.

I would love to hear your complete thoughts on TTT.


Looks like I did indeed miss someone.

TTT felt townish to me in his approach to the DP/rayn/CopCake thing and at first I thought his approach was towny. However, I kinda recall he was not very confrontational avout it and didn’t take strong stances about it, which could be mafia tmi.

I quess I would put him in the PoE, even though his gameplay does resonate with me.

I still have not finished reading D1, so I might find something relevant.
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 13 2023 18:55 GMT
#1622
On June 14 2023 01:55 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count

Vayoletta (3): marvellosity, Vivax, Meapak_Ziphh
CopCake (2): DarthPunk, Chezinu, TankTopTiger
TankTopTiger (1): rayneplikoneet
Chezinu (1): DarthPunk
marvellosity (0): Vivax

Not Voting (4): Alakaslam, Vayoletta, CopCake, LightningStrike

With 3 votes, Vayoletta is currently set to be lynched!

The deadline is Wednesday, Jun 14 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in



I'm soon caught up, D2 as well, been reading for a while now.

The only players currently on my wagon are players I put in PoE, so I do kinda feel good about that. Why none of them is a proper wagon now is the biggest question in my mind.

What does pique my interest is that Hapahauli did push MZ and TTT as the top candidates for D1 elims. I don't think my wagon is pure, but I think TTT as wolf would avoid bundling up with his wolfbuddies voting me here.

I also do think that rayn's point about how TTT treats Copcake is a valid point here.

##Vote TankTopTiger
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 13 2023 19:10 GMT
#1626
The more I think about it, the more I feel like TTT tunneling Copcake is a deliberate way to control the threadstate by a wolf.

The wolves feel like they are in a comfortable position because I'm town here and the elim is getting directed to me. By pushing the thread into tunneling Copcake would create an atmosphere where wolves are able to sip martinis in peace as marvellosity and MZ get a pass.
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 13 2023 19:17 GMT
#1628
On June 13 2023 10:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Alright let’s start with the NK’d townie who I wanted to lynch the fuck out of today -_-

AND YES I KNOW NK WIFOM IS A THING PREEMPTING EVEYRONE REMINDING ME

Spoiler for readability, here are Hapa's reads:
+ Show Spoiler +

Hapa is green on slam:
Here
Doesn’t like me:
Here
Really doesn’t like me (he quotes my first post twice in two hours):
Here
Thinks Cake/DP is TownVTown maybe:
Here
LS is wishy washy town:
Here
Red on me and Chez:
Here
Waffling on me:
Here
Green on Slam, Rayn, Vivax, LS:
Here
Doesn’t want to lynch DP:
Here
Doesn’t want to lynch CopCake:
Here
Torn on me:
Here
Thinks DMB is a mislynch:
Here
Unknown on Chez, Marv, and Vayoletta:
Here
Red on TTT:
Here
+1’s the idea of a Vayoletta lynch:
Here
Not happy with a DP lynch:
Here
Settles on a DMB lynch
Here
Final vote for me:
Here


Both Hapa and I then make it clear we’re going to go after each other tomorrow. I was honestly floored he got NK’d. I was absolutely going to go after him for the DMB vote and the flipflop about vayoletta. I know I don’t have much thread presence but now that he’s flipped town it seems like it would have been a better scum play to let the two of us go after each other. So why did they kill him? I can think of three reasons:

a) They wanted to frame me because he was the loudest voice calling me scum in the thread. I find this unlikely because nobody has really come out of the woods to push for my lynch today which honestly surprised me a bit
b) They were blue hunting. Hapa didn’t have a super long filter but was clearly engaged with the game. Maybe scum thought he was blue trying not to draw attention to themselves. This is certainly a possibility.
c) He had the scum team nailed. His scum list is me, TTT, Chez, and maybe Vayoletta. Now I know I’m town, so let’s see how many other people are calling the others scum.

Just going to focus on Chez for now.
a. Slam indirectly calls out Chez and says he’s sheeping Hapa
b. Rayn votes for chez but unvoted well before the lynch and has since buddied him a bit
c. I townread chez for a meta guess about chatGPT
d. Not going to check DMB since she was dead
e. Marv has one post saying he has no idea about chez’s alignment
f. Vivax repeatedly calls chez unreadable and enigmatic and has buddied him a lot
g. DarthPunk has Chez in his Green/Brown category
h. Not gonna look through Chez about himself lol
i. TTT says chez is cryptic/trolling/not playing the game
j. Vayoletta has Chez listed as a PoE suspect
k. CopCake simply says “chezinu… is chezinu”
l. Hapa called Chez out multiple times
m. LS says that Chez wasting his vote on Rayn is pretty bad

Ok I have to be honest that took longer than I was expecting and I’m very surprised how few people have actually called out Chez. I wasn’t sure what I was going to find reading everyone’s filter to get their reads on him but I certainly wasn’t expecting Hapa to be the only person to directly call him out as scummy. LS is ironically the only other person who comes close (aside from Rayn's early vote). I’m going to post this now and start looking at how everyone has been reading TTT. I know a lot more people have at one point or another called him scum so I’m not expecting to learn as much.

Bottom line, if Hapa got killed for being right on one of his reads, I think there’s a decent chance it was Chez... I guess I need to reread Chez now too fml.

If you feel I have somehow misrepresented your read of chez feel free to throw spears and correct me.


For what it's worth, I think Chez would fit with TTT quite well. If that's the world we're living in, the last wolf is currently someone sitting on my wagon.
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 13 2023 19:20 GMT
#1629
On June 13 2023 11:15 DarthPunk wrote:
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On June 13 2023 10:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Pretty much no meta. I think i have played with him two or three games where i have been town (and followed one). Every game i have super mega epic scum read on him from the start and every game he is town. Definitely no meta, lol Generally he is more active, but I don't think activity is alignment indicative for him. He strikes me as a person who wouldn't be "scared" to play as scum, while i have never seen him play scum.

His handle is a variant from his original nick he uses when we play Terraforming Mars, he changes it as a joke based on what we talk in discord channel ^^


I love terraforming mars. Have you played ark nova? It reminds me of it some how.


Asking the real questions here. I have tried Ark Nova, but I have never finished it. I play it with my older brother who has small children, and we can only play it during their sleeping time. Not once have we managed to finish the game with that limited time.

The game seems really cool though and it has an elegant design.
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 13 2023 19:27 GMT
#1633
On June 14 2023 04:24 LightningStrike wrote:
All caught up now I think TTT might of been my active mafia that was around EoD.
Here was his closer to EoD lynch list:
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On June 11 2023 10:42 TankTopTiger wrote:
Not gonna lie, having good town activity does actually make policy more appealing. But no I value the early information over it. If we policy, we're only getting the info mafia want us to have.

I am open to lynches on DMB, CC, and LS. Possibly Slam or Vivax too but unless someone makes a banger case in the next 10 minutes I'd have no conviction for it.

Notice that in his lynch list was 2 blues and a unknown and he didn't exactly push his prefered lynches at all EoD
Also he lied about his lynch list given that he did had CopCake in his lynch list yet didn't list her in his post I just recently quoted.
Also
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On June 13 2023 15:59 TankTopTiger wrote:
Aight. I think I'm a goner.

Even if I somehow make it out of this lynch, I don't think I'll live through the next one now that I'm pretty sure basically everyone is against me. I don't really want to spend the next 1-4 days fighting just to die anyway. I don't really blame people for being sus overall on me, I'm playing differently to last game for sure. But I am frustrated by the constant reading comprehension issues, the repeating the same questions, the ignoring my questions, the pedantry. You guys don't understand how I think, you didn't last game and you don't this game. That's fine but you seem to think you do??That's fine I guess it's just... Too much effort for me. I no longer have agency in the game, I'm not engaged, and I'm pretty bamboozled overall.

When I'm dead: I don't really have strong town reads. My read on Rayn was heavily based on some early interactions, and he hasn't really done much since then. It's stale and since everyone agreed he was town, I didn't really want more work on my plate filtering him when he was never going to be lynched.

DP I can never be sure because I haven't actually encountered his scum play in forum mafia and he speaks very highly of himself in this regard. He seems more agentic than last game where he was town (I don't see how Rayn think's he's current town boss compared to DP, Rayn afked the lynch and hasn't really done much more than perpetuate D1 convoes). I don't like how DP thinks I would go for policy lynches. In no game we have ever played together have I been the type of player to value points on the board over game state. DP, you realise what you're expecting me to want to do is bolt face turn 1 in an FFA right? Right?! I don't really see this as something he could possibly expect from me. I always play for control first every single time.

MZ seems townish but has difficulty understanding other points of view. If someone disagrees with him they're stupid dumdum. He felt this way last game too. MZ, you don't understand what I'm saying, and you're super motivated to twist it into contradiction.

Town is about to be 6-3. I stand by my read on CC, it's the best case. When you see I'm town, also make Vayo answer the question regarding their baseless reads. I'm also suspicious of Marv because he just doesn't seem active enough now he's free. Any other strong town player can't keep themselves from engaging. DP has no time and yet somehow his filter is enormous. I don't know Marv well, but his actual content posts are minimal within a filter barely over two pages long. When I subbed in last game, I felt I had a lot more to say than Marv does now.

Slam is... less than last game. He's just doing less. I have no idea why people have strong ideas about him... actually that's a recurring issue with you lot, you've normalised baseless reads.

Good luck town whoever tf you are <3

Does this feel to over top for anyone else?
Along with all of that I did check his filter he not pushing his ideas as much as last game like Darth had mentioned when I talked to him about TTT. Feels like a mafia TTT this game over his last game.
##Vote: TannkTopTiger


I was just reading that list too, and I'm wondering if it is ATE theatre.

But then I'm wondering why TTT is not pivoting to vote me. I'm the easiest push for wolves here, and he completely ignores it.
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 13 2023 19:32 GMT
#1634
On June 14 2023 00:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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On June 14 2023 00:11 marvellosity wrote:
On June 13 2023 03:36 Vayoletta wrote:
Im now free from my long term guest and can play properly.

My PoE right now is Vivax, Chez, Marvellosity and Mz.

I believe LS’s claim. I read Copcake and Slam town. I trust rayn’s and CopCake’s point on DP to not suspect him now, but I am not quite sold on rayn being town. I hope I will find him as I go through the material.

I hope I did not forget anyone.

Is this person really town?

##vote: Vayoletta

Remarkable lack of traction on someone who hasn’t come to play.

And yes yes I missed days but I’m here now trying to win.

Thank fuck I felt like I was taking crazy pills for a bit.

The way people call Vayoletta scummy then refuse to vote her reminds me of how LS skated along last game.

Also I don't buy TTT's giving up post halfway through the day.

I could very easily see a Vayoletta/TTT/Chez team at this point with all 3 of them attempting to soft bus each other to varying degrees.


Tbh I also wondered at some point why I was not voted. The real answer for that is that wolves had no urgency and tunneling CC was a good way to direct town attention elsewhere.

The real question you should ask is why I was becoming a wagon only after TTT flew too close to the sun and burned his wings.
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 13 2023 19:40 GMT
#1640
On June 14 2023 04:33 LightningStrike wrote:
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On June 14 2023 04:27 Vayoletta wrote:
On June 14 2023 04:24 LightningStrike wrote:
All caught up now I think TTT might of been my active mafia that was around EoD.
Here was his closer to EoD lynch list:
On June 11 2023 10:42 TankTopTiger wrote:
Not gonna lie, having good town activity does actually make policy more appealing. But no I value the early information over it. If we policy, we're only getting the info mafia want us to have.

I am open to lynches on DMB, CC, and LS. Possibly Slam or Vivax too but unless someone makes a banger case in the next 10 minutes I'd have no conviction for it.

Notice that in his lynch list was 2 blues and a unknown and he didn't exactly push his prefered lynches at all EoD
Also he lied about his lynch list given that he did had CopCake in his lynch list yet didn't list her in his post I just recently quoted.
Also
On June 13 2023 15:59 TankTopTiger wrote:
Aight. I think I'm a goner.

Even if I somehow make it out of this lynch, I don't think I'll live through the next one now that I'm pretty sure basically everyone is against me. I don't really want to spend the next 1-4 days fighting just to die anyway. I don't really blame people for being sus overall on me, I'm playing differently to last game for sure. But I am frustrated by the constant reading comprehension issues, the repeating the same questions, the ignoring my questions, the pedantry. You guys don't understand how I think, you didn't last game and you don't this game. That's fine but you seem to think you do??That's fine I guess it's just... Too much effort for me. I no longer have agency in the game, I'm not engaged, and I'm pretty bamboozled overall.

When I'm dead: I don't really have strong town reads. My read on Rayn was heavily based on some early interactions, and he hasn't really done much since then. It's stale and since everyone agreed he was town, I didn't really want more work on my plate filtering him when he was never going to be lynched.

DP I can never be sure because I haven't actually encountered his scum play in forum mafia and he speaks very highly of himself in this regard. He seems more agentic than last game where he was town (I don't see how Rayn think's he's current town boss compared to DP, Rayn afked the lynch and hasn't really done much more than perpetuate D1 convoes). I don't like how DP thinks I would go for policy lynches. In no game we have ever played together have I been the type of player to value points on the board over game state. DP, you realise what you're expecting me to want to do is bolt face turn 1 in an FFA right? Right?! I don't really see this as something he could possibly expect from me. I always play for control first every single time.

MZ seems townish but has difficulty understanding other points of view. If someone disagrees with him they're stupid dumdum. He felt this way last game too. MZ, you don't understand what I'm saying, and you're super motivated to twist it into contradiction.

Town is about to be 6-3. I stand by my read on CC, it's the best case. When you see I'm town, also make Vayo answer the question regarding their baseless reads. I'm also suspicious of Marv because he just doesn't seem active enough now he's free. Any other strong town player can't keep themselves from engaging. DP has no time and yet somehow his filter is enormous. I don't know Marv well, but his actual content posts are minimal within a filter barely over two pages long. When I subbed in last game, I felt I had a lot more to say than Marv does now.

Slam is... less than last game. He's just doing less. I have no idea why people have strong ideas about him... actually that's a recurring issue with you lot, you've normalised baseless reads.

Good luck town whoever tf you are <3

Does this feel to over top for anyone else?
Along with all of that I did check his filter he not pushing his ideas as much as last game like Darth had mentioned when I talked to him about TTT. Feels like a mafia TTT this game over his last game.
##Vote: TannkTopTiger


I was just reading that list too, and I'm wondering if it is ATE theatre.

But then I'm wondering why TTT is not pivoting to vote me. I'm the easiest push for wolves here, and he completely ignores it.

Idk I never voted Marv when I had the chance last game to mislynch him as town could be that he is giving up?


TTT could always pivot to me to live an extra day, but I think me flipping town after that would be a death sentence for TTT. I think TTT as wolf would benefit more by sacrificing himself now for the greater good and A) letting other players wagon me or B) getting himself flipped and having town waste the D3 by having me flipped.

TTT must have been aware of the fact that both me and him are being partnered, yet he has not reacted to those allegations in a meaningful way - the way he has spoken so little about me even in his giving up message and the fact that he has not even attempted to fight the allegations of being a wolf with me nor shown concern about them is something I find he would not do as town. He is planning to sink like a Titanic and take me with him to have town waste D3.

Killing me first would cause more suspicion on my wagon where at least one wolf is already hiding and would give the town more chance to re-evaluate the game on D3 instead of just chopping me with little discussion.

This is where my mind is on the matter right now.

As a sidenote I'm fully caught up. Still a bit hazy as I had to speedread a lot.
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 13 2023 19:42 GMT
#1641
I think rayn trended upwards today.
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 13 2023 19:47 GMT
#1642
On June 14 2023 04:40 Vayoletta wrote:
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On June 14 2023 04:33 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 14 2023 04:27 Vayoletta wrote:
On June 14 2023 04:24 LightningStrike wrote:
All caught up now I think TTT might of been my active mafia that was around EoD.
Here was his closer to EoD lynch list:
On June 11 2023 10:42 TankTopTiger wrote:
Not gonna lie, having good town activity does actually make policy more appealing. But no I value the early information over it. If we policy, we're only getting the info mafia want us to have.

I am open to lynches on DMB, CC, and LS. Possibly Slam or Vivax too but unless someone makes a banger case in the next 10 minutes I'd have no conviction for it.

Notice that in his lynch list was 2 blues and a unknown and he didn't exactly push his prefered lynches at all EoD
Also he lied about his lynch list given that he did had CopCake in his lynch list yet didn't list her in his post I just recently quoted.
Also
On June 13 2023 15:59 TankTopTiger wrote:
Aight. I think I'm a goner.

Even if I somehow make it out of this lynch, I don't think I'll live through the next one now that I'm pretty sure basically everyone is against me. I don't really want to spend the next 1-4 days fighting just to die anyway. I don't really blame people for being sus overall on me, I'm playing differently to last game for sure. But I am frustrated by the constant reading comprehension issues, the repeating the same questions, the ignoring my questions, the pedantry. You guys don't understand how I think, you didn't last game and you don't this game. That's fine but you seem to think you do??That's fine I guess it's just... Too much effort for me. I no longer have agency in the game, I'm not engaged, and I'm pretty bamboozled overall.

When I'm dead: I don't really have strong town reads. My read on Rayn was heavily based on some early interactions, and he hasn't really done much since then. It's stale and since everyone agreed he was town, I didn't really want more work on my plate filtering him when he was never going to be lynched.

DP I can never be sure because I haven't actually encountered his scum play in forum mafia and he speaks very highly of himself in this regard. He seems more agentic than last game where he was town (I don't see how Rayn think's he's current town boss compared to DP, Rayn afked the lynch and hasn't really done much more than perpetuate D1 convoes). I don't like how DP thinks I would go for policy lynches. In no game we have ever played together have I been the type of player to value points on the board over game state. DP, you realise what you're expecting me to want to do is bolt face turn 1 in an FFA right? Right?! I don't really see this as something he could possibly expect from me. I always play for control first every single time.

MZ seems townish but has difficulty understanding other points of view. If someone disagrees with him they're stupid dumdum. He felt this way last game too. MZ, you don't understand what I'm saying, and you're super motivated to twist it into contradiction.

Town is about to be 6-3. I stand by my read on CC, it's the best case. When you see I'm town, also make Vayo answer the question regarding their baseless reads. I'm also suspicious of Marv because he just doesn't seem active enough now he's free. Any other strong town player can't keep themselves from engaging. DP has no time and yet somehow his filter is enormous. I don't know Marv well, but his actual content posts are minimal within a filter barely over two pages long. When I subbed in last game, I felt I had a lot more to say than Marv does now.

Slam is... less than last game. He's just doing less. I have no idea why people have strong ideas about him... actually that's a recurring issue with you lot, you've normalised baseless reads.

Good luck town whoever tf you are <3

Does this feel to over top for anyone else?
Along with all of that I did check his filter he not pushing his ideas as much as last game like Darth had mentioned when I talked to him about TTT. Feels like a mafia TTT this game over his last game.
##Vote: TannkTopTiger


I was just reading that list too, and I'm wondering if it is ATE theatre.

But then I'm wondering why TTT is not pivoting to vote me. I'm the easiest push for wolves here, and he completely ignores it.

Idk I never voted Marv when I had the chance last game to mislynch him as town could be that he is giving up?


TTT could always pivot to me to live an extra day, but I think me flipping town after that would be a death sentence for TTT. I think TTT as wolf would benefit more by sacrificing himself now for the greater good and A) letting other players wagon me or B) getting himself flipped and having town waste the D3 by having me flipped.

TTT must have been aware of the fact that both me and him are being partnered, yet he has not reacted to those allegations in a meaningful way - the way he has spoken so little about me even in his giving up message and the fact that he has not even attempted to fight the allegations of being a wolf with me nor shown concern about them is something I find he would not do as town. He is planning to sink like a Titanic and take me with him to have town waste D3.

Killing me first would cause more suspicion on my wagon where at least one wolf is already hiding and would give the town more chance to re-evaluate the game on D3 instead of just chopping me with little discussion.

This is where my mind is on the matter right now.

As a sidenote I'm fully caught up. Still a bit hazy as I had to speedread a lot.


What I'm trying to say here, the only world where TTT would not react to being paired with me and by being pushed on the basis that they fit with me is that they are wolf and I'm town. If we were w/w (which we aren't) or if TTT is town, they would have a reason to react that or to comment me in some way.

The only world where they would comfortably disregard that is the world where he is wolf and I'm town, and that is outing to me.

I hope this conveys my take here better.
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 13 2023 20:52 GMT
#1683
On June 14 2023 04:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vay, i don't think rehashing the situation around you and TTT will help much, since you would say the exact same thing if you are mafia with TTT (distancing). I don't think you have many options other than that in case youre both mafia.

If TTT is mafia, why
- is there only one mafia in your wagon?
- Why not two? It's not like anyone could blame anyone for voting you at the time they did..
- Who is the said mafia? General statements like "one of these 3-4 players is mafia" are not helping you atm.


1-2 on my wagon. Simply because I don't see a world where all of MZ/Vivax/Marvel are town. The scenario where I could see it being one is a world where TTT and Chez are both wolves, which I think could be possible.

I'm not sure I see the same things in Vivax as you do - you have locktowned him. If I would rank the wolves from most likely to least likely, I would rank them MZ < Marvel <<<< Vivax. I do not consider Vivax a lock clear here.
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 13 2023 20:54 GMT
#1684
On June 14 2023 05:04 marvellosity wrote:
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On June 14 2023 04:42 Vayoletta wrote:
I think rayn trended upwards today.

What’s the difference on yesterday?


I think the fact that he's pushing TTT above anyone else here makes him town.

This is a minor thing, but rayn used a phrase where he said something about having a "biggest fear" regarding a team, and I think phrases like that would come more naturally from a town.
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 13 2023 21:00 GMT
#1687
On June 14 2023 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On June 14 2023 05:23 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 14 2023 04:10 Vayoletta wrote:
The more I think about it, the more I feel like TTT tunneling Copcake is a deliberate way to control the threadstate by a wolf.

The wolves feel like they are in a comfortable position because I'm town here and the elim is getting directed to me. By pushing the thread into tunneling Copcake would create an atmosphere where wolves are able to sip martinis in peace as marvellosity and MZ get a pass.


This post in particular is bullshit since the wagon on Vayo formed after ttt stopped posting.

Trying to over explain a read backflip imo.

Vayoletta elaborate please.


It's true that I became a wagon only after TTT stopped posting, but the timing of when I became a wagon does not matter. Reading early/mid D2 it was quite clear that I was becoming a wagon. Everyone expressed varying levels of suspicion towards me and if the D2 discussion would be inconclusive, the elim would likely just default to me.

Tunneling and focusing on Copcake would have most likely resulted in that scenario.
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 13 2023 21:01 GMT
#1688
On June 14 2023 06:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is MZ less likely to be mafia than marv?


Is this to me? I ranked from most wolfy to least wolfy, so MZ is wolfier in that list.
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 13 2023 21:17 GMT
#1692
On June 14 2023 06:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On June 14 2023 06:01 Vayoletta wrote:
On June 14 2023 06:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is MZ less likely to be mafia than marv?


Is this to me? I ranked from most wolfy to least wolfy, so MZ is wolfier in that list.

Okay then the other way around, why is marv more likely to be mafia than Vivax?
You realise aside from marv's read on you and vice versa, you are both entertaining the same scum team (Chezinu + TTT)?


Hapahauli's read on MZ makes him the clearest wolf on my wagon, but I do reckon that's wifom.

I also think that Marvel voting me makes sense with his progression, so that also takes him above MZ here.
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 13 2023 22:31 GMT
#1704
On June 14 2023 06:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On June 14 2023 06:17 Vayoletta wrote:
On June 14 2023 06:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 14 2023 06:01 Vayoletta wrote:
On June 14 2023 06:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is MZ less likely to be mafia than marv?


Is this to me? I ranked from most wolfy to least wolfy, so MZ is wolfier in that list.

Okay then the other way around, why is marv more likely to be mafia than Vivax?
You realise aside from marv's read on you and vice versa, you are both entertaining the same scum team (Chezinu + TTT)?


Hapahauli's read on MZ makes him the clearest wolf on my wagon, but I do reckon that's wifom.

I also think that Marvel voting me makes sense with his progression, so that also takes him above MZ here.

Yes i can see that but why marv mafia over Vivax?


Vivax does not feel paired with TTT here who is my biggest suspect due to his handling of me. I could be wrong on this read though.

Why do you townread Vivax?
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 13 2023 22:37 GMT
#1706
On June 14 2023 07:22 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2023 06:00 Vayoletta wrote:
On June 14 2023 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 14 2023 05:23 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 14 2023 04:10 Vayoletta wrote:
The more I think about it, the more I feel like TTT tunneling Copcake is a deliberate way to control the threadstate by a wolf.

The wolves feel like they are in a comfortable position because I'm town here and the elim is getting directed to me. By pushing the thread into tunneling Copcake would create an atmosphere where wolves are able to sip martinis in peace as marvellosity and MZ get a pass.


This post in particular is bullshit since the wagon on Vayo formed after ttt stopped posting.

Trying to over explain a read backflip imo.

Vayoletta elaborate please.


It's true that I became a wagon only after TTT stopped posting, but the timing of when I became a wagon does not matter. Reading early/mid D2 it was quite clear that I was becoming a wagon. Everyone expressed varying levels of suspicion towards me and if the D2 discussion would be inconclusive, the elim would likely just default to me.

Tunneling and focusing on Copcake would have most likely resulted in that scenario.


He has been focused on cupcake day one though when you were t a wagon so this still doesn’t make sense


TTT has had opportunuties to take a broader look of the game multiple times, yet he has decided to tunnel CC again.

Go and see how many times TTT has talked about me in his posts. Can’t tell a single example from the top of my mind.

He has avoided talking about me even though he is heavily suspected to be w/w with me by quite many people.

I don’t see the tunnel coming from town here. He’s hoping I get eliminated while he keeps his hands on CC tunnel to not look too involved - the idea of being paired with me is something that suits him and is the reason why he’d play like this as wolf.

Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 13 2023 22:40 GMT
#1707
On June 14 2023 07:37 DarthPunk wrote:
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On June 14 2023 07:31 Vayoletta wrote:
On June 14 2023 06:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 14 2023 06:17 Vayoletta wrote:
On June 14 2023 06:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 14 2023 06:01 Vayoletta wrote:
On June 14 2023 06:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is MZ less likely to be mafia than marv?


Is this to me? I ranked from most wolfy to least wolfy, so MZ is wolfier in that list.

Okay then the other way around, why is marv more likely to be mafia than Vivax?
You realise aside from marv's read on you and vice versa, you are both entertaining the same scum team (Chezinu + TTT)?


Hapahauli's read on MZ makes him the clearest wolf on my wagon, but I do reckon that's wifom.

I also think that Marvel voting me makes sense with his progression, so that also takes him above MZ here.

Yes i can see that but why marv mafia over Vivax?


Vivax does not feel paired with TTT here who is my biggest suspect due to his handling of me. I could be wrong on this read though.

Why do you townread Vivax?


What specifically did ttt do regarding you to move from light green, (seemingly your last position before the next post in which you voted him) to dark red?


It’s not really what he did, but rather what he didn’t do - he has not shown any concern on people suspecting him and me being paired.

His positioning in tunneling CC feels like a refuge for a wolf who expects me to go down in a landslide this EoD - a conclusion wolves could expect from the early/mid D2.
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 13 2023 22:41 GMT
#1708
I don’t think rayn is paired with TTT unless it’s exactly with Marvellosity as otherwise rayn would push his one w in Vayo/Marvellosity take.
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 13 2023 22:49 GMT
#1711
On June 14 2023 07:43 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2023 07:37 Vayoletta wrote:
On June 14 2023 07:22 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 14 2023 06:00 Vayoletta wrote:
On June 14 2023 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 14 2023 05:23 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 14 2023 04:10 Vayoletta wrote:
The more I think about it, the more I feel like TTT tunneling Copcake is a deliberate way to control the threadstate by a wolf.

The wolves feel like they are in a comfortable position because I'm town here and the elim is getting directed to me. By pushing the thread into tunneling Copcake would create an atmosphere where wolves are able to sip martinis in peace as marvellosity and MZ get a pass.


This post in particular is bullshit since the wagon on Vayo formed after ttt stopped posting.

Trying to over explain a read backflip imo.

Vayoletta elaborate please.


It's true that I became a wagon only after TTT stopped posting, but the timing of when I became a wagon does not matter. Reading early/mid D2 it was quite clear that I was becoming a wagon. Everyone expressed varying levels of suspicion towards me and if the D2 discussion would be inconclusive, the elim would likely just default to me.

Tunneling and focusing on Copcake would have most likely resulted in that scenario.


He has been focused on cupcake day one though when you were t a wagon so this still doesn’t make sense


TTT has had opportunuties to take a broader look of the game multiple times, yet he has decided to tunnel CC again.

Go and see how many times TTT has talked about me in his posts. Can’t tell a single example from the top of my mind.

He has avoided talking about me even though he is heavily suspected to be w/w with me by quite many people.

I don’t see the tunnel coming from town here. He’s hoping I get eliminated while he keeps his hands on CC tunnel to not look too involved - the idea of being paired with me is something that suits him and is the reason why he’d play like this as wolf.



Is this the reason you scum read him? Cause he is not talking about you?

He defended you from a mislynch if you are town. Does that not count. In his last post he talks about making you talk about how your reads are formed.

That’s talking about you.

And the more I dig into your reads the more I’m like ?????


He defended me on D1, but like look at his behaviour on D2. Quote coming in next post as I’m on mobile.
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 13 2023 22:55 GMT
#1712
On June 12 2023 12:42 TankTopTiger wrote:
A bit disorganised at this point, reading through all the posts since #30 atm, I'm up to #53 so I'm biased towards happenings within that frame.

I just spent a lot of time inside my head on you DP. Real spooky. I thought that a red DP would see the difference between DMB last game and this game, and know it meant blue. Then they could lead the mislynch, but have meta from previous game on leading mislynches. Bonus points for backing away from it at the last minute by reading them green (ad lib). But it was Rayn that pointed you in that direction, so that play doesn't work out unless redDP is very fortunate and just had this play fall into his lap (I don't think Rayn's suggestion was red at all). There were some other things. Your reactions have felt artificial twice to me - one was in response to CC, can't remember the other. You being onboard with policy feels irrational but I'm not actually sure on your position on that and WW may have softened you up.
But overall it's too much reach, so I'm back to treating you as green based on the overall pro-townliness of your play. Your read on me is exactly what I would expect and I can't argue against it. I'm not as engaged in poor information environments.

Rayn is green.

LS is weird because I think he decided at the start of the game that he was going to play differently and so my main reason for giving him the benefit of the doubt feels artificial. Someone said at some point that he feels very in the moment and I agree with that. He also seems to come across as artificial whenever he thinks he should be providing an anger response (congruent with autism claim). So I sort of just want to leave him and see where he takes it for now.

I still see CC as red. I don't really want to engage with her because she counter-tunnels and shits up the thread leaving everyone confused. I don't think there's anything she could say that would change my mind, but she also hasn't really done anything since that alleviates or intensifies my suspicion. The read is stale but it's still my firmest read.

Overall, I think town have been eating town a lot, but also in many directions. This sort of environment is something I wanted at the start of the game (not the TvT thing, but the diversity of opinions thing as opposed to last game which felt sychophantic to me from many). This pushes me in the direction of thinking that mafia are more passive, so toward Vayo, Marv, and Slam.


Like, this is the amount of attention TTT gives to me. Grouped up together with two other players. These players are because he’s ”pushed into direction of thinking wolves are more passive”. Even the worldly language here is vague and non-committing.

He says he suspects me, but had very little reaction to being paired with me.

TTT’s handling of me on D2 is not result of a towny agenda.
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 13 2023 22:55 GMT
#1713
On June 14 2023 07:43 DarthPunk wrote:
Have you played this game a lot Vayo?


Yaas, especially live. Played games in Finnish like a long time ago.
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 13 2023 23:03 GMT
#1715
Like, DP, if rayn, Slam and Vivax all came into the thread with the worldview that you’d fit well as my scumpartner? What would you instinctively do?
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 13 2023 23:09 GMT
#1719
On June 14 2023 08:04 CopCake wrote:
I am so bad with irl. My body language betrays me.


Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 13 2023 23:29 GMT
#1729
On June 14 2023 08:20 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2023 08:03 Vayoletta wrote:
Like, DP, if rayn, Slam and Vivax all came into the thread with the worldview that you’d fit well as my scumpartner? What would you instinctively do?


Call them idiots probably.



On June 13 2023 08:53 TankTopTiger wrote:
Re: Vayoletta+TTT
I'm against policy lynching. This was a policy lynch. I've given my reasons and I think it's genuinely absurd to suspect someone for not wanting a policy lynch.


TTT’s reaction was not to even contest the pairing (note that he does not say anything about pairings and alingments) but to reduce the argument to be about policy lunching.

He’s not saying that I should be eliminated over him here even though he has said he suspects me.

It’s like TTT found the way to contest the pairing where he needs to say the least about me.
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 13 2023 23:36 GMT
#1733
On June 14 2023 08:33 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2023 08:29 Vayoletta wrote:
On June 14 2023 08:20 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 14 2023 08:03 Vayoletta wrote:
Like, DP, if rayn, Slam and Vivax all came into the thread with the worldview that you’d fit well as my scumpartner? What would you instinctively do?


Call them idiots probably.



On June 13 2023 08:53 TankTopTiger wrote:
Re: Vayoletta+TTT
I'm against policy lynching. This was a policy lynch. I've given my reasons and I think it's genuinely absurd to suspect someone for not wanting a policy lynch.


TTT’s reaction was not to even contest the pairing (note that he does not say anything about pairings and alingments) but to reduce the argument to be about policy lunching.

He’s not saying that I should be eliminated over him here even though he has said he suspects me.

It’s like TTT found the way to contest the pairing where he needs to say the least about me.


Or he literally only didn't vote for you over DMB because of his views on policy.

I don't even know why I'm defending him here, I literally think it possible he is mafia.

I just don't want to lynch him this phase.



Whether or not he did not vote me for his view on policy, the reaction here is lacking towny vibes. It’s not about the reason, but about his handling of the pairing.
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 13 2023 23:52 GMT
#1737
On June 14 2023 08:50 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count

Vayoletta (5): marvellosity, Vivax, Meapak_Ziphh, DarthPunk, Chezinu, Vivax
TankTopTiger (4): rayneplikoneet, LightningStrike, Vayoletta, Vivax, CopCake, Chezinu
CopCake (1): DarthPunk, Chezinu, TankTopTiger
Chezinu (0): DarthPunk
marvellosity (0): Vivax

Not Voting (1): Alakaslam

With 5 votes, Vayoletta is currently set to be lynched!

The deadline is Wednesday, Jun 14 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in


TTT wagon is so pure
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 13 2023 23:58 GMT
#1745
On June 14 2023 08:54 TankTopTiger wrote:
I gtg, here's my take on vayo who I'm voting


I'm going to vote Vayo and not just because my survival depends on it. This is how I see them chronologically:
1) They lurk
2) I refuse to policy lynch them
3) They finally give reads after the lynch
4) The reads have very little justification. Spefically, Hap and Marv have poor jutsification.
5) I ask them to expand on their read
6) They ignore me
7) Other shit happens, I get overwhelmed and leave
8) They begin to suspect me based on me leaving, when in fact I am absent, after I tried to engage, and they ignored me.




You managed to appear right when I’m leaving. Time for me to head to sleep.

If I die, PoE tomorrow is TTT/Chez/MZ/Marvel.

I believe the three wolves are in that group.
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 16 2023 16:45 GMT
#2742
GG everyone. My irl situation was and is a bit hectic rn and it affected my gameplay here. Apologies for that, I promise to slay next time!
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 16 2023 16:51 GMT
#2743
On June 16 2023 10:39 Alakaslam wrote:
I need to save up about 5K enoughand go visit Europe.

And anyone not in Europe, too
I need a month out of the USA.

Then I will come back and visit the rest of you

I need to thank each of you in person.

& apologize too


You were the first town I found here and I enjoyed playing with you. I hope you get better, we understand life gets rough at times!
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