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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 09 2023 17:36 GMT
#421
On June 10 2023 02:35 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2023 02:19 Hapahauli wrote:
On June 10 2023 01:50 LightningStrike wrote:
Hapa if you are around had you caught up yet by chance?


I’m just about caught up, but nothing I’ve read is inspiring to me one way or the other beyond a very strong town read on Slam.

I also have this overwhelming desire to tunnel marv for nostalgia’s sake, but that’s about it.


Weak tbh, I had the same urge with you and there‘s a bunch of info around already.
You used to be more opinionated.


Once upon a time I had a full head of hair and now it is gone.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 09 2023 17:43 GMT
#422
On June 10 2023 02:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I was really not expecting to wake up to ~20 pages, what is this 2013?

I have work today so I'll mostly be phone posting but definitely scumreading LS right now (again) and I think DarthPunk came off looking worse in the exchange with CopCake that I just read.

I'm townreading chezinu on a complete shot in the dark that his chatgpt nonsense is a protest against not being able to use his seal.

After attempting to gut read slam last game and being wrong I'm back to forever null on him

TTT probably my strongest town read

DMB has a lot more confidence this game, don't think that's alignment indicative yet but I'll be interested to see how things progress.

Aight I'll be in and out today, I'll have some free time tonight.

I am not surprised you are scumreading me again given that last game I was scum but this time around I am town. In regards to Darth vs CopCake you said Darth looks worse in that exchange does that equate to him being mafia or just him just looking worse?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 09 2023 17:44 GMT
#423
On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote:
Had a nice nap after almost being choked to death in my sleep tonight.

On a partial reread, I could do a DP lynch. Maybe even a rayn one. DP basically takes LS post at face value and instatowns it while it‘s far from apparent how it makes him town and that doesn‘t change when I point out he‘s copied it. His questions to rayn at times seem fabricated and you can observe how he nudges rayn into interacting with him for the purpose of manipulating him into voting Cake.

I‘d also add that the way rayn followed into DPs footsteps in regards to Cake felt forced and hedgy.

Overall I don‘t really see what they saw aside from Cake using lunch as an excuse which to me seems like a silly reason to base the entire read on.

With that in mind and them not giving off the same energy as last game where at least rayn seemed like an easy townlean, Cake gets my axe for wagonomical reasons til I get to decide if rayn isn‘t a better lynch for the way he got smacked into submission by DP.

##Vote DarthPunk

Something about Ttts entrance also rubbed me the wrong way as it felt like they were evaluating the dp-cop interaction from the sidelines as an opener that suggested they wanted to play it safe.

Just a note Vivax but he is scumreading me not townreading me.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 09 2023 17:45 GMT
#424
On June 10 2023 02:19 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2023 01:50 LightningStrike wrote:
Hapa if you are around had you caught up yet by chance?


I’m just about caught up, but nothing I’ve read is inspiring to me one way or the other beyond a very strong town read on Slam.

I also have this overwhelming desire to tunnel marv for nostalgia’s sake, but that’s about it.

Noted.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 09 2023 17:49 GMT
#425
By the way anyone else felt like the Darth vs Copcake stuff felt forced?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 09 2023 18:04 GMT
#426
On June 10 2023 02:49 LightningStrike wrote:
By the way anyone else felt like the Darth vs Copcake stuff felt forced?


His push feels forced, I don't understand why he thinks he got a case when I explained the error of the question.

I am certified, healthy, copcake.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
June 09 2023 18:09 GMT
#427
On June 10 2023 02:36 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2023 02:35 Vivax wrote:
On June 10 2023 02:19 Hapahauli wrote:
On June 10 2023 01:50 LightningStrike wrote:
Hapa if you are around had you caught up yet by chance?


I’m just about caught up, but nothing I’ve read is inspiring to me one way or the other beyond a very strong town read on Slam.

I also have this overwhelming desire to tunnel marv for nostalgia’s sake, but that’s about it.


Weak tbh, I had the same urge with you and there‘s a bunch of info around already.
You used to be more opinionated.


Once upon a time I had a full head of hair and now it is gone.


Relatable. Mine goes grey instead.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 09 2023 18:15 GMT
#428
On June 10 2023 03:09 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2023 02:36 Hapahauli wrote:
On June 10 2023 02:35 Vivax wrote:
On June 10 2023 02:19 Hapahauli wrote:
On June 10 2023 01:50 LightningStrike wrote:
Hapa if you are around had you caught up yet by chance?


I’m just about caught up, but nothing I’ve read is inspiring to me one way or the other beyond a very strong town read on Slam.

I also have this overwhelming desire to tunnel marv for nostalgia’s sake, but that’s about it.


Weak tbh, I had the same urge with you and there‘s a bunch of info around already.
You used to be more opinionated.


Once upon a time I had a full head of hair and now it is gone.


Relatable. Mine goes grey instead.


Re: opinions, there are a lot of games that I’ll have strong opinions, but this thread is difficult for me. There is “information” but a lot of it to me is bad. It’s basically DP shitting up the thread by forcing a case on CopCake, because he can’t help himself.

But that doesn’t give me a lot to go on.

Frankly, I’m more skeptical/suspicious of players that have developed strong opinions more than anything else. MZ’s post looks quite bad to me in that respect. I’d think yours is bad too, but I also think you’re of the same mentality as DP.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 09 2023 18:36 GMT
#429
On June 09 2023 22:55 TankTopTiger wrote:
Yeah I think everyone's posting a bit fast instead of taking their time, and it's making everything super confusing. I'm constantly double-taking from the misinterpretations which seem honest but unproductive.

If you want people to actually understand what happened, you need to quote the posts, in order, and probably summarise how they fit into what you're claiming.

Because I really tried to check the posts you're mentioning but I just don't understand, and I doubt other people do either.

It's not enough to be right, you need to clearly communicate why you're right.



I am going to start from the beginning
On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2023 15:29 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:25 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 14:54 CopCake wrote:
What kind of information have you gotten so far DP? Anything different?


On what?


The game in general so far?


I think DMB is looking good as is Slam.

I think LS and Rayn look bad.

this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game.

What do you think?


This is me interrogating Darth, post #174 page 9 (You can go from there and see the flow if you want)

He asked me what I think, but I needed a specific question to be answered, about reading slam because in my opinion, he really is acting very differently from last game.

On June 09 2023 15:34 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:29 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:25 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 14:54 CopCake wrote:
What kind of information have you gotten so far DP? Anything different?


On what?


The game in general so far?


I think DMB is looking good as is Slam.

I think LS and Rayn look bad.

this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game.

What do you think?


Why is slam town?




On June 09 2023 15:35 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2023 15:34 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:29 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:25 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 14:54 CopCake wrote:
What kind of information have you gotten so far DP? Anything different?


On what?


The game in general so far?


I think DMB is looking good as is Slam.

I think LS and Rayn look bad.

this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game.

What do you think?


Why is slam town?



Why don't you answer my question, and then I will answer this one.


Then he demands me to answer his question, totally fair

On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2023 15:29 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:25 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 14:54 CopCake wrote:
What kind of information have you gotten so far DP? Anything different?


On what?


The game in general so far?


I think DMB is looking good as is Slam.

I think LS and Rayn look bad.

this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game.

What do you think?


But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽‍♀️

Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point.[/QUOTE]

On June 09 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:29 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:25 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 14:54 CopCake wrote:
What kind of information have you gotten so far DP? Anything different?


On what?


The game in general so far?


I think DMB is looking good as is Slam.

I think LS and Rayn look bad.

this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game.

What do you think?


But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽‍♀️

Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point.


Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool.

I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game.

Now your turn.


So if you see, DP and me were talking civilian, in this order.

Then I got busy at work, then went to have a small lunch break and went to play my other game, then Rayn pointed out this:
On June 09 2023 16:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:29 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:25 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 14:54 CopCake wrote:
What kind of information have you gotten so far DP? Anything different?


On what?


The game in general so far?


I think DMB is looking good as is Slam.

I think LS and Rayn look bad.

this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game.

What do you think?


But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽‍♀️

Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point.

I think he just answered you in the post you quoted, no?


Which I believed he was telling me that DP answered me, and in my MIND I believed he was telling me to answer asap (because I was online on another web) which I was like, hey I just went to lunch!

But the problem here, is that DP liked THAT case, and called it "oooooffff you are right rayn cake mafia", when Rayn actually quotes something DP hasn't answered.

If you were DP, and town, and you know Rayn made a mistake, wouldn't you clarify that or would you just JUMP and try to start a train over a misunderstanding?

I hope I am being clear here.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 09 2023 18:44 GMT
#430
On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote:
Had a nice nap after almost being choked to death in my sleep tonight.

On a partial reread, I could do a DP lynch. Maybe even a rayn one. DP basically takes LS post at face value and instatowns it while it‘s far from apparent how it makes him town and that doesn‘t change when I point out he‘s copied it. His questions to rayn at times seem fabricated and you can observe how he nudges rayn into interacting with him for the purpose of manipulating him into voting Cake.

I‘d also add that the way rayn followed into DPs footsteps in regards to Cake felt forced and hedgy.

Overall I don‘t really see what they saw aside from Cake using lunch as an excuse which to me seems like a silly reason to base the entire read on.

With that in mind and them not giving off the same energy as last game where at least rayn seemed like an easy townlean, Cake gets my axe for wagonomical reasons til I get to decide if rayn isn‘t a better lynch for the way he got smacked into submission by DP.

##Vote DarthPunk

Something about Ttts entrance also rubbed me the wrong way as it felt like they were evaluating the dp-cop interaction from the sidelines as an opener that suggested they wanted to play it safe.


I disagree, I think he was being some sort of moderator and called out us both equally.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 09 2023 18:59 GMT
#431
Cake, have you played with DP before?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 09 2023 18:59 GMT
#432
Man the Euros are trashing Murica with the activity levels.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 09 2023 19:01 GMT
#433
On June 10 2023 03:59 Hapahauli wrote:
Cake, have you played with DP before?


Not that I remember, at least not here.

I was obvs in last game and saw him play.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 09 2023 19:12 GMT
#434
On June 10 2023 03:15 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2023 03:09 Vivax wrote:
On June 10 2023 02:36 Hapahauli wrote:
On June 10 2023 02:35 Vivax wrote:
On June 10 2023 02:19 Hapahauli wrote:
On June 10 2023 01:50 LightningStrike wrote:
Hapa if you are around had you caught up yet by chance?


I’m just about caught up, but nothing I’ve read is inspiring to me one way or the other beyond a very strong town read on Slam.

I also have this overwhelming desire to tunnel marv for nostalgia’s sake, but that’s about it.


Weak tbh, I had the same urge with you and there‘s a bunch of info around already.
You used to be more opinionated.


Once upon a time I had a full head of hair and now it is gone.


Relatable. Mine goes grey instead.


Re: opinions, there are a lot of games that I’ll have strong opinions, but this thread is difficult for me. There is “information” but a lot of it to me is bad. It’s basically DP shitting up the thread by forcing a case on CopCake, because he can’t help himself.

But that doesn’t give me a lot to go on.

Frankly, I’m more skeptical/suspicious of players that have developed strong opinions more than anything else. MZ’s post looks quite bad to me in that respect. I’d think yours is bad too, but I also think you’re of the same mentality as DP.

Regarding the bolded do you think this is alignment indicative for Darth?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 09 2023 19:15 GMT
#435
Also CopCake
On June 10 2023 03:04 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2023 02:49 LightningStrike wrote:
By the way anyone else felt like the Darth vs Copcake stuff felt forced?


His push feels forced, I don't understand why he thinks he got a case when I explained the error of the question.

I am certified, healthy, copcake.

Ya idk if it's super alignment indicative with his case on you like that to be honest. In addition that entire line of stuff between you two felt off idk why yet.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 09 2023 19:16 GMT
#436
On June 10 2023 03:59 Hapahauli wrote:
Man the Euros are trashing Murica with the activity levels.

To be fair it's in the middle of a work day here in the US so activity will be lower at this time of day.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 09 2023 19:17 GMT
#437
On June 10 2023 04:12 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2023 03:15 Hapahauli wrote:
On June 10 2023 03:09 Vivax wrote:
On June 10 2023 02:36 Hapahauli wrote:
On June 10 2023 02:35 Vivax wrote:
On June 10 2023 02:19 Hapahauli wrote:
On June 10 2023 01:50 LightningStrike wrote:
Hapa if you are around had you caught up yet by chance?


I’m just about caught up, but nothing I’ve read is inspiring to me one way or the other beyond a very strong town read on Slam.

I also have this overwhelming desire to tunnel marv for nostalgia’s sake, but that’s about it.


Weak tbh, I had the same urge with you and there‘s a bunch of info around already.
You used to be more opinionated.


Once upon a time I had a full head of hair and now it is gone.


Relatable. Mine goes grey instead.


Re: opinions, there are a lot of games that I’ll have strong opinions, but this thread is difficult for me. There is “information” but a lot of it to me is bad. It’s basically DP shitting up the thread by forcing a case on CopCake, because he can’t help himself.

But that doesn’t give me a lot to go on.

Frankly, I’m more skeptical/suspicious of players that have developed strong opinions more than anything else. MZ’s post looks quite bad to me in that respect. I’d think yours is bad too, but I also think you’re of the same mentality as DP.

Regarding the bolded do you think this is alignment indicative for Darth?


I don’t think forcing a case is alignment indicative in an early game context.

Stuff like him refusing to read Chez’s wall of text and then reading said wall anyway tells me he was just bored early game and doing random shit.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
June 09 2023 19:18 GMT
#438
On June 10 2023 03:59 Hapahauli wrote:
Man the Euros are trashing Murica with the activity levels.

I just got off of some work meetings. Couple more hours and workday over for the East coast.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 09 2023 19:19 GMT
#439
On June 10 2023 04:17 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2023 04:12 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 10 2023 03:15 Hapahauli wrote:
On June 10 2023 03:09 Vivax wrote:
On June 10 2023 02:36 Hapahauli wrote:
On June 10 2023 02:35 Vivax wrote:
On June 10 2023 02:19 Hapahauli wrote:
On June 10 2023 01:50 LightningStrike wrote:
Hapa if you are around had you caught up yet by chance?


I’m just about caught up, but nothing I’ve read is inspiring to me one way or the other beyond a very strong town read on Slam.

I also have this overwhelming desire to tunnel marv for nostalgia’s sake, but that’s about it.


Weak tbh, I had the same urge with you and there‘s a bunch of info around already.
You used to be more opinionated.


Once upon a time I had a full head of hair and now it is gone.


Relatable. Mine goes grey instead.


Re: opinions, there are a lot of games that I’ll have strong opinions, but this thread is difficult for me. There is “information” but a lot of it to me is bad. It’s basically DP shitting up the thread by forcing a case on CopCake, because he can’t help himself.

But that doesn’t give me a lot to go on.

Frankly, I’m more skeptical/suspicious of players that have developed strong opinions more than anything else. MZ’s post looks quite bad to me in that respect. I’d think yours is bad too, but I also think you’re of the same mentality as DP.

Regarding the bolded do you think this is alignment indicative for Darth?


I don’t think forcing a case is alignment indicative in an early game context.

Stuff like him refusing to read Chez’s wall of text and then reading said wall anyway tells me he was just bored early game and doing random shit.

Fair enough.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
June 09 2023 19:19 GMT
#440
Can someone post some AI drawings of mafia Walruses so we can see what they look like on a line up?
lol, clueless in The Prism!
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