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On October 31 2020 15:11 Dirkzor wrote:
Shockey and acrofales:
Ive read your interaction where you call eachother scum. To be honest i dont understand either of your perspectives.
Can you guys explain it like im 5?
It also seems like you have both backed off. Why?
An agreement between comprehension.
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On October 31 2020 15:45 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2020 15:11 Dirkzor wrote:
Shockey and acrofales:
Ive read your interaction where you call eachother scum. To be honest i dont understand either of your perspectives.
Can you guys explain it like im 5?
It also seems like you have both backed off. Why?
An agreement between comprehension.
Thats not explaining it like im 5 and i still dont get it. Please elaborate.
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Hm. I guess if scum!Grack needs to increase the corruption counter, and his best way of doing so is by messing with the library, then the early volunteering makes sense regardless. He figures a scummer needs to go. I'll filter him soon, as this changes things.
Also, koshi is your mafia there. Trying rather desperately to spin shockeyy's role claim. He seems pissed off about the existence of an immortal busdriving doctor. I imagine scum would be. But the bus driving is pretty much proven and we know there is KP missing. So either he's scum making the entire thing up, and the bus driving is real... and somebody else protected/roleblocked the scum KP without claiming a save. But why bus drive lamp and shockeyy if it isn't to try to kill lamp while messing with protection? And then iamp ends up dead, right?
Unless... wait. Could iamp and shockeyy be scum together?
@dirkzor: basically his role claim verifying my role and explaining missing kp, as explained above. I don't think we should lynch the doctor?
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Here are my thougths:
I initially thought that either shock or acro needed to be scum after their little shouting match. I no longer think so. But that doesn't make them both town either.
Acrofales ability to split the game in 2 can be either town or scum. So i wont make my read of that.
Shockeys ability does seem like a town ability. But that sonly if the claim is true. What if scum witheld their KP to claim what they did (hence making shockeys scum).
I dont think mafia knew what the corruption counter would do. I think thats the unknown for both (all?) sides. If acrofales was scum it would benefit him to use his split ability the day we had hidden votes. But as i said i think it is a coincidence.
I still think grack is out best lynch followed by onegu at this point. Hopefully i get around to make a real case on grack later. For now lets just say he havent done anything. He promised a filterdive that never came. He pushes only a little bit but never for reals (my claim and also in the shocks/acro case). His post with colors is just soo over the top to me.
@other thread: you going to no lynch or what is the plan? What are your thoughts on grack as a lynch here?
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Actually. Just re read gracks post about the KP. If he was scum ( and someone on the other thread made the same point) would he not know that mafia had KP? Seems like a weird plan/lie to make and it does come across as real.
Maybe just lynch onegu for not even trying.
And same goes with tictoc/koshi in the other thread. One of the 3 lurkers are bound to be scum.
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Koshi have actually been more active in the other thread then i realised. Quick scroll through told me no post from TT or onegu this day phase.
Lurker gets lynched.
##vote onegu (thread only for now)
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Started reading from the top of the game.
In the first 10 pages I actually think Acro comes off as townier than anyone. I got overexcited that he'd be scum because I saw Koshi/Rayn bashing on him in the other thread and Hapa pushing him in this one but I think he actually looks townier than Rayn so far.
On October 29 2020 00:19 Hapahauli wrote:
Slightly town.
I did like his thoughts about the game mechanic. However, him thinking critically about the game mechanic can mean any number of things:
1) Pro-town contribution from a player who is thinking about how to get information for the town;
2) A third-party who's win-condition is somehow tied to usage of the TL Mafia Database;
3) A mafia member who has enough extra information about the Database to know that his idea is either pro-mafia or ultimately harmless to mafia's objectives.
I lean towards #1, because the information deficit of town is a disadvantage to town in the theme games I have played.
2nd option to me still seems exceedingly obvious to me. From the start of the game Dirkzor talks about how he wants to check what raising the corruption counter will do and then he raises it by himself anyway mid-day. I would not do that as town in return for what he calls a hint in 5 phases. Whatever he's getting from doing it is empowering himself to achieve his own win condition. I'm quite confident about that.
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On November 01 2020 01:09 Grackaroni wrote:Started reading from the top of the game. In the first 10 pages I actually think Acro comes off as townier than anyone. I got overexcited that he'd be scum because I saw Koshi/Rayn bashing on him in the other thread and Hapa pushing him in this one but I think he actually looks townier than Rayn so far. Show nested quote +On October 29 2020 00:19 Hapahauli wrote:
Slightly town.
I did like his thoughts about the game mechanic. However, him thinking critically about the game mechanic can mean any number of things:
1) Pro-town contribution from a player who is thinking about how to get information for the town;
2) A third-party who's win-condition is somehow tied to usage of the TL Mafia Database;
3) A mafia member who has enough extra information about the Database to know that his idea is either pro-mafia or ultimately harmless to mafia's objectives.
I lean towards #1, because the information deficit of town is a disadvantage to town in the theme games I have played. 2nd option to me still seems exceedingly obvious to me. From the start of the game Dirkzor talks about how he wants to check what raising the corruption counter will do and then he raises it by himself anyway mid-day. I would not do that as town in return for what he calls a hint in 5 phases. Whatever he's getting from doing it is empowering himself to achieve his own win condition. I'm quite confident about that.
Have you had an origional thought of your own this game?
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On November 01 2020 01:23 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2020 01:09 Grackaroni wrote:Started reading from the top of the game. In the first 10 pages I actually think Acro comes off as townier than anyone. I got overexcited that he'd be scum because I saw Koshi/Rayn bashing on him in the other thread and Hapa pushing him in this one but I think he actually looks townier than Rayn so far. On October 29 2020 00:19 Hapahauli wrote:
Slightly town.
I did like his thoughts about the game mechanic. However, him thinking critically about the game mechanic can mean any number of things:
1) Pro-town contribution from a player who is thinking about how to get information for the town;
2) A third-party who's win-condition is somehow tied to usage of the TL Mafia Database;
3) A mafia member who has enough extra information about the Database to know that his idea is either pro-mafia or ultimately harmless to mafia's objectives.
I lean towards #1, because the information deficit of town is a disadvantage to town in the theme games I have played. 2nd option to me still seems exceedingly obvious to me. From the start of the game Dirkzor talks about how he wants to check what raising the corruption counter will do and then he raises it by himself anyway mid-day. I would not do that as town in return for what he calls a hint in 5 phases. Whatever he's getting from doing it is empowering himself to achieve his own win condition. I'm quite confident about that. Have you had an origional thought of your own this game?
I just gave one in the post you quoted.
No need to be upset if I don't believe your claim.
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How do you call that an original thought when you yourself just rehashed hapas post.
Even me talking about corruption counter at the beginning have been mentioned before.
Im not upset you don't believe me claim. To be honest of im surprised more havent been critical. Im mad because it seems like your not even trying. I want you to do better.
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I had to take a detour to read the wall of Grack.
On October 30 2020 04:21 Dirkzor wrote:
Grack is most likely scum. Not that many posts. Just enough to not be at the bottom. No real follow through on anything. He don't like my claim but doesnt do anything with it beside stating it. Why not push me if you think im a liar.
Your push on me seems to have started when I called out your claim to begin with, and now when I mention it again you're complaining that it's unoriginal and people have already talked about it lol. I understand why people are null/scum on me for not contributing but then you start coloring people as scum by association with me. What kind of response did you expect people to give about me.
On October 30 2020 04:50 Dirkzor wrote:Actually. The more i read shockeys filter the more i think a Grack + Shockey scum team fits. Show nested quote +slight mafia lean
grack - i think it's easy to look town with how Grack posts, while still being mafia, so i'm null.. Its like what? is it a mafie lean or a null? Reads to me like you wanted to bus your teammate just a little by putting him under slight mafia and then couldnt think of a thing that makes him scum so you wrote null... You also called him town and scum in the same sentence. You have zero interaction with grack and vice versa Soon going to bed.
On October 30 2020 05:25 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2020 05:10 Onegu wrote:On October 30 2020 04:59 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Interesting that both Dirk and Onegu decided to claim I'm mafia at the same time : )
Also it seems like Grack and I are never around at the same time which is why there's never discussion between us. I have a slight scum read on grack, but that doesn't mean I need to claim he's mafia. I don't know who the fuck is mafia just yet which is why he's also a null. Like I personally don't think there's a problem having some one on null/mafia lean in a list. The first part of this is laughably bad. When 2 people call you scum doesnt even matter. Do you think we are both scum and said in our QT hey lets say shockeyy is scum in 10. 9. 8. 7. 6. 5. 4. 3. 2. 1. The second part I have no idea about. Dont care about grack as I havent seen him say anything about me... Why dont you care about grack? even if he havent said anything about you, caring about him figuring out his alignment is important yes? Also i agree that 2 people posting at the same time would be weird as scum. But you jumping on my (and others) scum read is not...
On October 30 2020 16:29 Dirkzor wrote:
If i die tonight i think you should get rid of grack.
twice he have called my claim sus without really doing anything with it. Trying to build pressure without taking responsibility. And rest of posting are just sort of there.
I could do more to try to lynch you. From what I recall from the thread I was the one that gave your claim the most trouble. I think Koshi thought it was non-town as well in the other thread but that came later.
On October 31 2020 23:57 Dirkzor wrote:
I still think grack is out best lynch followed by onegu at this point. Hopefully i get around to make a real case on grack later. For now lets just say he havent done anything. He promised a filterdive that never came. He pushes only a little bit but never for reals (my claim and also in the shocks/acro case). His post with colors is just soo over the top to me.
@other thread: you going to no lynch or what is the plan? What are your thoughts on grack as a lynch here?
I hope you get to that case on me Dirkzor because I want you to be better. We wouldn't want somebody trying to build pressure for a lynch without taking responsibility.
@other thread. Could you give me some reasons for lynching Dirkzor?
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On November 01 2020 01:34 Dirkzor wrote:
How do you call that an original thought when you yourself just rehashed hapas post.
Even me talking about corruption counter at the beginning have been mentioned before.
Im not upset you don't believe me claim. To be honest of im surprised more havent been critical. Im mad because it seems like your not even trying. I want you to do better.
Also I didn't rehash Hapa's post. He gave 3 options and I tried to point towards why it's more likely the second option.
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Hapa why did you mention having an alternate win condition to begin with? Just in the interest of full disclosure or you wanted to use it to make reads from the beginning?
My impression is that you jumped on Slam because it seemed like the thread was turning on you and he was sheeping Rayn's opinion uncritically. Going back and quoting Slam talk about how much he likes scum hunting to say that it was a contradiction was not the best look imo.
I also didn't really appreciate the C+ or w/e. You say I'm thinking about your claim logically. Even if I am mafia I won't be able to know whether you are town or 3rd party, so why should I be more or less paranoid about you based off my alignment.
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On October 30 2020 04:59 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Interesting that both Dirk and Onegu decided to claim I'm mafia at the same time : )
Also it seems like Grack and I are never around at the same time which is why there's never discussion between us. I have a slight scum read on grack, but that doesn't mean I need to claim he's mafia. I don't know who the fuck is mafia just yet which is why he's also a null. Like I personally don't think there's a problem having some one on null/mafia lean in a list.
Though you're not making me look great lol.
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On October 30 2020 16:27 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2020 16:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 30 2020 16:16 yamato77 wrote:On October 30 2020 16:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont understand what you mean by your line of questioning re: Shockeyy? Then you're not reading my posts, as I said. In a gesture of good faith, I will go IN MY OWN FILTER and show you the posts you made later on basically verbatim: On October 29 2020 04:53 yamato77 wrote:On October 29 2020 04:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So I have one question about the game:
"Other factions may be able to use the database in their own ways."
So is there more than just town/mafia? :D
Btw I commit to checking out the database. I personally think I'm the best person to check it out. Why do you think you're a good candidate? On October 29 2020 05:37 yamato77 wrote:On October 29 2020 05:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:On October 29 2020 04:53 yamato77 wrote:On October 29 2020 04:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So I have one question about the game:
"Other factions may be able to use the database in their own ways."
So is there more than just town/mafia? :D
Btw I commit to checking out the database. I personally think I'm the best person to check it out. Why do you think you're a good candidate? I just am. I have no malintent for our database. I wish for you to be more forthcoming about your claim here. What do you intend to do if you do go to the database? Why should we trust you? I have eead those posts, I dont understand why this is a reason for me to change my read on you? Think critically about this game and how I've played. I come into the thread with a Shockey scumread and you DECLARE that he's town. You lied. You call me mafia (at least partly) because my scumread of Shockey is "too easy". You then recent your claim and try to ask the EXACT SAME QUESTIONS to Shockey about his motivations and the inherent logical inconsistencies in his posts that I already pointed at while apparently continue to believe that my suspicion of him comes from a mafia perspective? How does that make sense, exactly? Why should I trust a player who plays like this? How am I supposed to interact with you? These are questions I do not have an answer to. I just have to assume your alignment at some point because I cannot make a whole lot of sense out of what's going on there.
I don't think this is very out of character for Rayn. No doubt he feels confident in his ability to read ShoCkkey over everybody else and even while reading it at the time it was clear Rayn didn't have any extra information on ShoCkkey from his role.
I do think Yamato seems pretty townie from the way he's approached his reads on ShoCkkey and Rayn. Plus he's always been super bad/inactive as mafia historically, but of course there's been lots of time for him to improve as well.
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There's no reason why Koshi would never ever be mafia in this game.
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On November 01 2020 03:57 Grackaroni wrote:
There's no reason why Koshi would never ever be mafia in this game.
What does this even mean? its mean absolutely nothing. No one in this game would never ever be mafia. (beside oneself).
This is what i mean. You don't try enough. Its just so much nonsense (most of the time).
On November 01 2020 01:58 Grackaroni wrote:I had to take a detour to read the wall of Grack. Show nested quote +On October 30 2020 04:21 Dirkzor wrote:
Grack is most likely scum. Not that many posts. Just enough to not be at the bottom. No real follow through on anything. He don't like my claim but doesnt do anything with it beside stating it. Why not push me if you think im a liar. Your push on me seems to have started when I called out your claim to begin with, and now when I mention it again you're complaining that it's unoriginal and people have already talked about it lol. I understand why people are null/scum on me for not contributing but then you start coloring people as scum by association with me. What kind of response did you expect people to give about me. Show nested quote +On October 30 2020 04:50 Dirkzor wrote:Actually. The more i read shockeys filter the more i think a Grack + Shockey scum team fits. slight mafia lean
grack - i think it's easy to look town with how Grack posts, while still being mafia, so i'm null.. Its like what? is it a mafie lean or a null? Reads to me like you wanted to bus your teammate just a little by putting him under slight mafia and then couldnt think of a thing that makes him scum so you wrote null... You also called him town and scum in the same sentence. You have zero interaction with grack and vice versa Soon going to bed. Show nested quote +On October 30 2020 05:25 Dirkzor wrote:On October 30 2020 05:10 Onegu wrote:On October 30 2020 04:59 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Interesting that both Dirk and Onegu decided to claim I'm mafia at the same time : )
Also it seems like Grack and I are never around at the same time which is why there's never discussion between us. I have a slight scum read on grack, but that doesn't mean I need to claim he's mafia. I don't know who the fuck is mafia just yet which is why he's also a null. Like I personally don't think there's a problem having some one on null/mafia lean in a list. The first part of this is laughably bad. When 2 people call you scum doesnt even matter. Do you think we are both scum and said in our QT hey lets say shockeyy is scum in 10. 9. 8. 7. 6. 5. 4. 3. 2. 1. The second part I have no idea about. Dont care about grack as I havent seen him say anything about me... Why dont you care about grack? even if he havent said anything about you, caring about him figuring out his alignment is important yes? Also i agree that 2 people posting at the same time would be weird as scum. But you jumping on my (and others) scum read is not... Show nested quote +On October 30 2020 16:29 Dirkzor wrote:
If i die tonight i think you should get rid of grack.
twice he have called my claim sus without really doing anything with it. Trying to build pressure without taking responsibility. And rest of posting are just sort of there.
I could do more to try to lynch you. From what I recall from the thread I was the one that gave your claim the most trouble. I think Koshi thought it was non-town as well in the other thread but that came later. Show nested quote +On October 31 2020 23:57 Dirkzor wrote:
I still think grack is out best lynch followed by onegu at this point. Hopefully i get around to make a real case on grack later. For now lets just say he havent done anything. He promised a filterdive that never came. He pushes only a little bit but never for reals (my claim and also in the shocks/acro case). His post with colors is just soo over the top to me.
@other thread: you going to no lynch or what is the plan? What are your thoughts on grack as a lynch here? I hope you get to that case on me Dirkzor because I want you to be better. We wouldn't want somebody trying to build pressure for a lynch without taking responsibility. @other thread. Could you give me some reasons for lynching Dirkzor?
This is so much bull. You can't use my word and turn them around. Thats not how this works.
You didnt give my claim trouble. You posted 2 times: one that i was 3rd party with my own agenda and what can be summed down to "hmm" with fancy colors. Thats not giving me trouble.
+ Show Spoiler +On October 30 2020 01:25 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2020 01:18 iamperfection wrote:
The counter is at 1 anyways everyone could go tonight no? We could theoretically. It might make sense if we think Mafia have better actions than town but it's kind of hard to check who actually goes from the options available. Maybe you could make everybody visit the person above/below them and check whether they have a role that was in a previous aperture game. With that option I think you could at least potentially catch some people lying. On October 30 2020 10:16 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't know why people would trust the Dirkzor claim.
Press the SPACE TIME DESTABILIZATION in thread to get a powerful ability in 5 phases times. Also you return 3rd party/non-town to checks.
hmmm....
I will give my shockey/grack moment was a bit of an overreach. But i wanted to see what came of it.
But, as i wrote in a separate post, your whole: "I dont know mafia KP mechanics" sorta gives you a saving grace for now. I don't think mafia would fake not knowing their own abilities.
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Im down for lynching Onegu or Acrofales (and grack as distant 3rd). Onegu for being a lurker/afk. Acrofales because he is voting for Onegu (lol). But also because he seems to uninterested in both me and Hapa. Shit i don't know.
##Vote Acrofales (sent to hosts)
Will be back tomorrow before lynch to consolidate... We need a clear lynch with clear votes in thread!! That way if we have 2 (or more) mafia in thread they can't change the vote with the hidden mechanic. I will consolidate on most everyone just for this reason.
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