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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18366 Posts
October 30 2020 18:40 GMT
#801
On October 31 2020 03:33 Grackaroni wrote:
For what it's worth I'd bet ShoCkkey is town. Even though it doesn't make any sense.

What makes you think that? His claim?
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
October 30 2020 18:41 GMT
#802
Ok so I protected iamperfection, and him and I did switch spots, my role also redirects actions. However, the no kill can either be mafia held their shot (idk if they can do this, I'll re-read the op), or they shot me and I didn't die cause I can't die due to the power of insurance.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
October 30 2020 18:47 GMT
#803
On October 31 2020 03:39 Acrofales wrote:
Anyway, back to my earlier train of thought regarding Hapa:

Show nested quote +
On October 30 2020 22:25 Hapahauli wrote:
On October 30 2020 22:24 Acrofales wrote:
On October 30 2020 22:19 Hapahauli wrote:
I did not visit the database, since there did not appear to be a clear consensus about what I should do. I elected for another night action that is objectively pro-town. I was roleblocked anyway, making it a moot issue.

My lynch preferences are Grack and Acro. The secret ballot makes this frustrating, but if we simply make our vote-intentions transparent in thread, if someone else gets lynched, we will likely be able to deduce who lied about their vote.

Did you get notified you were roleblocked? Or did you deduce it from something not happening?


I was notified that I was roleblocked in my Night 0 PM from the host.

I was also notified that I was selected as a "planeteer".

Ok, so as far as we know, you're recruiting a cult and claiming roleblocked. I still don't see how your abilities make you pro-town. At best you're like my chrono trigger role. And there was literally no reason for town not to kill me at any point, except that I was very useful and put it all on the table for town. So I guess keep doing that?


If I am an anti-3p townie in your view, why am I not on your lynch list?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
October 30 2020 18:51 GMT
#804
Lynching me would be part of town's win-con, so you'd have to do it, and today is as good of a day as any other.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18366 Posts
October 30 2020 18:53 GMT
#805
On October 31 2020 03:47 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2020 03:39 Acrofales wrote:
Anyway, back to my earlier train of thought regarding Hapa:

On October 30 2020 22:25 Hapahauli wrote:
On October 30 2020 22:24 Acrofales wrote:
On October 30 2020 22:19 Hapahauli wrote:
I did not visit the database, since there did not appear to be a clear consensus about what I should do. I elected for another night action that is objectively pro-town. I was roleblocked anyway, making it a moot issue.

My lynch preferences are Grack and Acro. The secret ballot makes this frustrating, but if we simply make our vote-intentions transparent in thread, if someone else gets lynched, we will likely be able to deduce who lied about their vote.

Did you get notified you were roleblocked? Or did you deduce it from something not happening?


I was notified that I was roleblocked in my Night 0 PM from the host.

I was also notified that I was selected as a "planeteer".

Ok, so as far as we know, you're recruiting a cult and claiming roleblocked. I still don't see how your abilities make you pro-town. At best you're like my chrono trigger role. And there was literally no reason for town not to kill me at any point, except that I was very useful and put it all on the table for town. So I guess keep doing that?


If I am an anti-3p townie in your view, why am I not on your lynch list?

You are. You're just below shockeyy and onegu. And shockeyy is dropping because that claim makes sense. Unless scum doesn't have KP in the first place. The bus driving lines up perfectly with my role. And I can't really think of a way scum busdrives iamp that doesn't end up with him dead.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
October 30 2020 18:53 GMT
#806
On October 31 2020 03:51 Hapahauli wrote:
Lynching me would be part of town's win-con, so you'd have to do it, and today is as good of a day as any other.


Wait so lynching you would help us? I still think Acro is mafia due to his response to me after I claimed he took my bait. Dude went nuts when I questioned him.
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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
October 30 2020 18:55 GMT
#807
On October 31 2020 03:40 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2020 03:33 Grackaroni wrote:
For what it's worth I'd bet ShoCkkey is town. Even though it doesn't make any sense.

What makes you think that? His claim?

Just from how he freaked out thinking he caught you.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18366 Posts
October 30 2020 18:55 GMT
#808
On October 31 2020 03:51 Hapahauli wrote:
Lynching me would be part of town's win-con, so you'd have to do it, and today is as good of a day as any other.

You make a good point...

##vote onegu
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
October 30 2020 18:55 GMT
#809
Acro are you saying now that I'm not mafia? Just curious, cause I obviously can see why you were confused about me not switching. I was just trying to provoke you into scum slipping if you were scum.
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Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
October 30 2020 18:55 GMT
#810
On October 31 2020 03:41 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Ok so I protected iamperfection, and him and I did switch spots, my role also redirects actions. However, the no kill can either be mafia held their shot (idk if they can do this, I'll re-read the op), or they shot me and I didn't die cause I can't die due to the power of insurance.


Wait what? Your role protects and redirect. Makes no sense really. If someone shoots the one you protected they would shoot you. You are claiming you can protect self and target and also bus drive? Seems super convoluted.

Anyway i think we lynch acro or shockey now.

Im leaning acro for now but im at dinner with friend and only glanced quickly. Well check again to tomrrow.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
October 30 2020 18:56 GMT
#811
On October 31 2020 03:53 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2020 03:51 Hapahauli wrote:
Lynching me would be part of town's win-con, so you'd have to do it, and today is as good of a day as any other.


Wait so lynching you would help us? I still think Acro is mafia due to his response to me after I claimed he took my bait. Dude went nuts when I questioned him.


No, I'm arguing in the alternative.

I am not an anti-town 3p, and no one (except for Acro) seems to believe that I'm an anti-town 3p. Nevertheless, from his perspective, it doesn't make all that much sense to not include me on a lynch list. Per Acro's post at the beginning of this cycle:

On October 30 2020 20:28 Acrofales wrote:
Sweet! No NK and I wasn't roleblocked. Something weird happened. Shockeyy isn't supposed to be here, I don't think. It isn't entirely clear how the split works, but I thought it was by player list, and we should have Iamp here, not Shockeyy... Bus driver or something?

Oh, and I got a PM that I'm a planeteer. Lets explore space together.

@Koshi: you can't answer me, but pretty sure your ability can't have been this. This is about as close to an innocent child role I'm gonna get in a greymist game. It's absurd how good this ability is. We should even be able to use it afterward as a list cop ability, as I assume each side has at least 1 mafia or it'd screw over town. Too bad I got stuck with all the scummers over here.

@dirkzor: still think you're town, and I think hapa is 3p. So has to be onegu, grack or shockeyyy, who got put here through some kind of voodoo.

I smelt town on grack early on, so we lynch onegu or shockeyy. Will filter them this afternoon.


Emphasis added. Why am I not there?

My conclusion is that he's trying to spread paranoia about my role and motives, as opposed to seriously thinking that I am somehow "anti-town".
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
October 30 2020 18:58 GMT
#812
On October 31 2020 03:55 Dirkzor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2020 03:41 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Ok so I protected iamperfection, and him and I did switch spots, my role also redirects actions. However, the no kill can either be mafia held their shot (idk if they can do this, I'll re-read the op), or they shot me and I didn't die cause I can't die due to the power of insurance.


Wait what? Your role protects and redirect. Makes no sense really. If someone shoots the one you protected they would shoot you. You are claiming you can protect self and target and also bus drive? Seems super convoluted.

Anyway i think we lynch acro or shockey now.

Im leaning acro for now but im at dinner with friend and only glanced quickly. Well check again to tomrrow.


Why is that a problem? It completely makes sense that I can do so. I'm the all powerful insurance of USA. And yes, if they shoot the person I'm protecting, I'll get shot... That's obvious from my claim, and how iamperfection and I switched places.

Hmmm.... I personally thought you claim post was good, but you know, after seeing that KP get stronger for mafia, and you willing to increase corruption points, I'm starting to think you're mafia.
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18366 Posts
October 30 2020 19:00 GMT
#813
On October 31 2020 03:56 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2020 03:53 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On October 31 2020 03:51 Hapahauli wrote:
Lynching me would be part of town's win-con, so you'd have to do it, and today is as good of a day as any other.


Wait so lynching you would help us? I still think Acro is mafia due to his response to me after I claimed he took my bait. Dude went nuts when I questioned him.


No, I'm arguing in the alternative.

I am not an anti-town 3p, and no one (except for Acro) seems to believe that I'm an anti-town 3p. Nevertheless, from his perspective, it doesn't make all that much sense to not include me on a lynch list. Per Acro's post at the beginning of this cycle:

Show nested quote +
On October 30 2020 20:28 Acrofales wrote:
Sweet! No NK and I wasn't roleblocked. Something weird happened. Shockeyy isn't supposed to be here, I don't think. It isn't entirely clear how the split works, but I thought it was by player list, and we should have Iamp here, not Shockeyy... Bus driver or something?

Oh, and I got a PM that I'm a planeteer. Lets explore space together.

@Koshi: you can't answer me, but pretty sure your ability can't have been this. This is about as close to an innocent child role I'm gonna get in a greymist game. It's absurd how good this ability is. We should even be able to use it afterward as a list cop ability, as I assume each side has at least 1 mafia or it'd screw over town. Too bad I got stuck with all the scummers over here.

@dirkzor: still think you're town, and I think hapa is 3p. So has to be onegu, grack or shockeyyy, who got put here through some kind of voodoo.

I smelt town on grack early on, so we lynch onegu or shockeyy. Will filter them this afternoon.


Emphasis added. Why am I not there?

My conclusion is that he's trying to spread paranoia about my role and motives, as opposed to seriously thinking that I am somehow "anti-town".


You are right. I am spreading paranoia about your role and motives. I don't trust you at all. You basically confirmed yourself as 3p. Quite likely anti-town 3p. I just have my priorities straight: kill scum. So help me find scum. Killing an outed 3p just.. isn't a priority on D1.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
October 30 2020 19:00 GMT
#814
Acro thoughts on Dirk?
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18366 Posts
October 30 2020 19:01 GMT
#815
On October 31 2020 04:00 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Acro thoughts on Dirk?

Pretty firmly town because his claim was just too ballsy.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
October 30 2020 19:01 GMT
#816
That does not make any sense Acro.

Let's say I'm a serial killer. I am arguably just as much of a threat to the town as mafia. So why then does lynching mafia take priority over lynching me?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18366 Posts
October 30 2020 19:05 GMT
#817
On October 31 2020 04:01 Hapahauli wrote:
That does not make any sense Acro.

Let's say I'm a serial killer. I am arguably just as much of a threat to the town as mafia. So why then does lynching mafia take priority over lynching me?

Well, there was no KP. So either you were legit roleblocked, or you are not an SK. So yeah, not a priority.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
October 30 2020 19:08 GMT
#818
On October 31 2020 04:05 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2020 04:01 Hapahauli wrote:
That does not make any sense Acro.

Let's say I'm a serial killer. I am arguably just as much of a threat to the town as mafia. So why then does lynching mafia take priority over lynching me?

Well, there was no KP. So either you were legit roleblocked, or you are not an SK. So yeah, not a priority.


Yea, that's why I said earlier, either they held KP which I don't see a rule against it, or they shot me and got

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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
October 30 2020 19:09 GMT
#819
Oh wait I'm blind.

"The members of Aperture Science Do require members to carry out KP."

So I definitely most likely got shot and they got denied. Mafia must be so upset :D
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
October 30 2020 19:20 GMT
#820
I already did rayn:

On October 31 2020 03:41 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Ok so I protected iamperfection, and him and I did switch spots, my role also redirects actions. However, the no kill can either be mafia held their shot (idk if they can do this, I'll re-read the op), or they shot me and I didn't die cause I can't die due to the power of insurance.


The no shot is false, since they have to shoot. If I give insurance protection, which I did to iamperfection, I can't be killed because the insurance protects me too. Since no KP happened, I'm willing to bet mafia used the KP on me since I claimed, and I didn't die.
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