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On May 07 2019 16:53 wherebugsgo wrote: I agree with this interpretation, because you were fear posting on the claim calls. Like grack must not be playing the same game because he commented earlier about rayn fake claiming veteran. And he, I assume, witnessed HF actually flip veteran. So what happened there? If that hypothetical had played out with both of them alive in this situation we get a counterclaim and lynch a townie? Well I mean if both had seriously claimed veteran than yeah. But I don't think anyone takes Rayn's claim seriously. Did you? Why would a veteran ever claim veteran. I mean the argument we don't have to worry about fake claims because town can counter claim is flawed because there might not be a town counter claim, but I'm not sure it means anything besides being dumb. I might have something really interesting soon. Give me 30 minutes. | ||
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VE, you have said that Fecalfeasts effort and activity in this game proves him as town. I would say precisely the opposite. Fecalfeast's enthusiasm and real pushing in this game far more parallels his mafia games than his town games. Fecalfeasts filter this game: tl.net Last four town games: Fibonnaci Mafia: tl.net End of the World Mafia: tl.net Classic Mafia: tl.net Medic Mafia: tl.net These games are dominated by one liners, and low effort and very few genuine pushing, but nevertheless a generally consistent presence. Extremely few posts out of these four games have more than a couple lines, and there are no analysis posts of actual length at all. FF as town delivers his opinions, but is not very concerned about really trying to push people. If people believe him, great. If they don't, he might continue to post some one liner's and continue to tunnel on that person, but he never resorts to actually significantly engaging with others to get others lynched. Last three mafia games Carnaval do Brasil Mafia: tl.net Liquidmania Qualifier #3 Mafia: tl.net Hurricane Shelter Mafia:tl.net There are plenty of one-liners here as well. But there is another huge, qualitative difference. It is as mafia that FF actually feels compelled to justify his reads. It's why you finally have posts like this, this, and particularly this and thisin Carnaval do Brasil Mafia, posts like this in Liquidmania Mafia, posts like this in Hurricane Shelter Mafia: longer posts meaningfully and substantially justifying his reasoning that we never ever ever see in his town games. Note in Hurricane Shelter Mafia and Liquidmania he got lynched early so he didn't have as much time to demonstrate his pattern, but the pattern nevertheless exists. As town, FF doesn't really give a shit as appearing town. As mafia however, he puts more effort into his posts and seriously pushes more people. Based on the above 7 games, town FF would never have written a post like this in this game: On May 07 2019 11:19 Fecalfeast wrote: as soon as slam started talking about pandain a post jumped into my mind from pandain. I will find it When he made the post it seemed like he was more worried about pointing out that it doesn't clear me than anything else. Which I disliked obviously. I don't know. I'm rereading pandains day 1 and he has some weird posts with our current information. I have a bunch of tabs open but here are some highlights Look how self-conscious and aware of how he's being perceived pandain is in this triple-post. Reads like it's coming from a mafia mindset. Here's a pretty odd contradiction coupled with some equally odd association with koshi So shortly before grouping these 5 players as some weird cell containing 2 scum, he called two of its members town. Not townleans either. Two of the other members have flipped town This, coupled with the fact that we have already established that vivax's first post in the scum QT was likely instructions to bus him, means that pandain through leading a vivax lynch was setting up to lynch into a group of 4 towns. Pretty odd indeed. I will now mention that he happened to call flipped-scum koshi town twice in these posts but will not speak further on such a simple point. I have some kinda shitty stuff too if you're interested Throughout this game you all agree FF has been active and pushing people. Changing views and going back and forth. You all credited him for this; however this effort is more emblematic of his mafia playstyle. Don't believe me? Listen to his own words this game: On May 02 2019 15:49 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm never a fan of people going for me earlygame (or ever, really) because my scum meta (based on my own memory) is one of high activity earlygame because I'm excited to have rolled mafia. As town I'm often low hanging fruit which, obviously, is self-defeating of my tendency to omgus but it doesn't seem to matter. Which one describes FF: "high activity" and "excited", or "low hanging fruit". | ||
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What do we find when we seriously analyze him? FF on day 1 had his biggest scum reads on Vivax and BC, and particuarly Vivax. However, he left his vote on MZ who at that time was not a top scum read of his. On May 02 2019 14:16 Fecalfeast wrote: maf BC vivax (post shortened for relevance) On May 02 2019 16:09 Fecalfeast wrote: 1. No, you can look through my games yourself + Show Spoiler [FecalFeast] + TL Mafia LXVIII: Fanfic Crossover Edition Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 3 2p2 Vanilla Werewolf 13er Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 4 Zesty Italian Dressing Micro Mafia Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 1 Newbie Mini Mafia LIX Mafia Vanilla Survived Day 3 Fantasy Football Mafia Mini 2 Town Miller Survived Day 2 Campus Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 5 V Titanic Mini Mafia: A Game of Four Hours Mafia Roleblocker Survived Night 2 VI Titanic Mini Mafia: The Return of MSPaint Town Vanilla Survived Day 5 TL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells Town Vanilla Survived Night 5 PYP: Pick Your Protoss Mini Mafia Town Probe Survived Day 2 Linux Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Survived Night 1 Slytherin Mini Mafia Town Gunsmith Survived Day 3 VII Titanic Mini Mafia: I Have a Cunning Plan... Town Vanilla Survived Night 4 XXX Mini Mafia: A Night of Debauchery (18+) Town Vanilla Scum killed Night 3 Office Mini Mafia Town Medic Killed Night 3 Newbie Student Mafia VI Town Vanilla Survived Day 6 TL Mafia LXX: Guardians of the Galaxy Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 7 Jack of All Trades Mafia Town Vanilla Endgamed Night 3 Newbie Student Mafia IX Town Vanilla Killed Night 1 Hajime no Ippo Maifa Mafia Miguel Zale Lynched Day 2 Carnaval do Brasil Mafia Mafia Vanilla Lynched Day 4 I Still Cant Believe its not Themed Mafia Town Vanilla Modkilled Day 4 Lost But Not Forgotten Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Survived Day 2 II Cannons Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Killed Night 3 The New Personality Mafia Town Glowingbear Killed Night 4 Student Mafia XV Town Veteran Survived Night 1 Student Mafia XVI Town Veteran Survived Day 5 Newbie Student Mafia XVII: Fullmetal Edition Town Vanilla Survived Day 3 Season of the Witch 2 Town Acolyte Killed Night 3 Newbie Student Mafia XVIII Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 3 Pick Your Power: Intriguing Mafia Professor Moriarty Lynched Day 2 Who Wants to be a Millionaire Cell Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Survived Day 1 Team Melee Mini Mafia VI: Newbies and Vets Town Vanilla Lynched Day 3 Tortoise Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 1 Newbie Mafia XXI Town Vanilla Killed Night 2 Palmars Purge: Crisis and Turmoil in Liquidia Town Ash Endgamed Day 5 Liquidmania Qualifier #3 Mafia Vanilla Survived Day 3 TL Mafia LXXV Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 7 MS Paint-Off Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 1 Hurricane Shelter Mafia Mafia Godfather Lynched Day 2 Newbie Student Mafia XXVII Town Vanilla Lynched Day 2 Classic Mafia Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 3 Medic Mafia Town Medic Survived Night 3 2. Vivax doesn't play when he's mafia based on my perception of him in games we've played together including one where we were both mafia In comparison, FF voted for MZ. Let's see what FF had to say regarding MZ at this point, who dismissed his earlier vote on him as a "fun pressure vote" and labeling him only "maf-ish" (compared to his other more strong reads) On May 02 2019 15:35 Fecalfeast wrote: BC seemed scummy when I read his posts. Let me take this bong rip and I'll look again at him MZ seemed like a fun pressure vote, got distracted playing rimworld/mtg arena and getting baked. Came back and again got distracted with real life shit. I was around at EoD but I had a physiotherapy appointment at deadline and hadn't really been reading so changing my vote to a wagon would have been purely for lulz On May 02 2019 14:16 Fecalfeast wrote: maf-ish grack? wbg MZ that's from a once over of the thread based on feels. thinking about hf's pandain case so i haven't placed him yet. rels can die too I can elaborate or whatever if ppl ask i'll be up all night I think FF wanted to give Koshi a pass and furthermore go through Rayn's list, which is now pretty much universally agreed to be wrong. On May 04 2019 12:23 Fecalfeast wrote: i say let him slide til he deviates from rayn 3.0 FF this past day cycle has been throwing around tons and tons of accusations and trying to get suspicions started on many different people. This is exactly what mafia wants to be doing, because they need to get into an end-game where no one is confirmed and everyone has suspicions on them. FF has been pushing, today, a Slam lynch, an MZ lynch, and a Pandain lynch. Not just talking about, he has all pushed them at different points. Furthermore, something really interesting occurs in his discussions about me. He goes through my filter and writes a long analysis post, and then VE mentions about me saying Koshi is very suspicious. FF's response? On May 07 2019 11:46 Fecalfeast wrote: oh well you see On May 07 2019 11:46 Fecalfeast wrote: I didn't actually read that far So he went through my filter and then stopped? FF, he is clearly this game has been active and putting on a pretense of caring about the game decided to write a long analysis of me without even finishing reading me? My filter is not even that long. This is someone who wanted to push someone with whatever they could, without actually caring on whether they are scum or not. | ||
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On May 07 2019 17:07 wherebugsgo wrote: thanks for your input friends. I’m on board with that. Btw if FF is somehow scum here that is some amaze balls play. Read his progression on slam today, and how he’s posted about Pandain. If he’s faking that level of uncertainty I just don’t know, he deserves to win the game as scum I guess. Unless someone can tell me that yes, FF has done something like scum I’m happy to consider him town here. This is not someone being uncertain. This is someone who is just trying to find a wagon that can stick and then stay there. If it doesn't work, he backs off while still not clearing the person. | ||
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Furthermore, as stated beforehand, he's trying to cause a whole bunch of different wagons on the same day. Not just talk about people and make one ultimate decision, but to go from wagon to wagon. From MZ to Slam to me to back to MZ. | ||
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He's also trying to push Bugs, which is very...strange from a mafia perspective. If you're mafia and aiming to get into a 2v1 scenario endgame, you are probably already going to shoot town people like Bugs and VE (if possible). Why waste your time on this lynch talking about Bugs who will probably die anyway? 2. Slam is a complete null. 3. I don't think Mafia MZ ever pushes for FF, who had absolutely no suspicions on him.If you are the top lynch as mafia, you are going to push someone who people are suspicious of, not someone who most people agreed was town. That would be extremely difficult. | ||
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About the scum games, I can't remember exactly what I thought but I very briefly went through them and thought I just noticed a difference in tone. But now I've actually analyzed them in detail (took about an hour) and I think it actually parallels them. | ||
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On May 07 2019 11:19 Fecalfeast wrote: as soon as slam started talking about pandain a post jumped into my mind from pandain. I will find it When he made the post it seemed like he was more worried about pointing out that it doesn't clear me than anything else. Which I disliked obviously. I don't know. I'm rereading pandains day 1 and he has some weird posts with our current information. I have a bunch of tabs open but here are some highlights Look how self-conscious and aware of how he's being perceived pandain is in this triple-post. Reads like it's coming from a mafia mindset. Here's a pretty odd contradiction coupled with some equally odd association with koshi So shortly before grouping these 5 players as some weird cell containing 2 scum, he called two of its members town. Not townleans either. Two of the other members have flipped town This, coupled with the fact that we have already established that vivax's first post in the scum QT was likely instructions to bus him, means that pandain through leading a vivax lynch was setting up to lynch into a group of 4 towns. Pretty odd indeed. I will now mention that he happened to call flipped-scum koshi town twice in these posts but will not speak further on such a simple point. I have some kinda shitty stuff too if you're interested This post absolutely never comes from a town FF. I just went through 3 additional town games in addition to the 4 noted above, and no post of his has ever come close to this size. That's 7 games, probably like 50 pages of posts combined. 1000 posts. However, as noted, there are several posts of his as mafia that are long and detailed like this. this and thisin Carnaval do Brasil Mafia this in Liquidmania Mafia this in Hurricane Shelter Mafia: In fact, all of his last 3 scum games had long posts like this. | ||
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On May 07 2019 18:46 wherebugsgo wrote: so FF is on the lynch MZ train right away as is sort of expected given that AFAICT he never town read MZ once prior to this day. But why does he so quickly get off MZ after his responses when the rest of town hasn't budged? Like that seemed premature to me, just autoswap to Pandain as soon as MZ posted something pseudo decent. Great point, considering from Day2 on MZ was his top scum read. Makes no sense at all, and sounds like he's just trying to create suspicions instead of actually lynching who he thinks is scum. | ||
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But now I think the rest of you are town, so you're my town buds too! Where ya'll at? | ||
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On May 07 2019 23:00 wherebugsgo wrote: I think Pandain's analysis is mostly pretty good but I don't think it's a slam dunk. If you look for counter examples, you can find them, but like Pandain mentioned they're rare. I haven't had the time to check whether I think they're more common as scum or not but for instance: From End of the World Party Mafia: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?page=194#3873 From Classic Mafia https://tl.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?page=194#3873 noteworthy on classic is that he promised a post on someone else (TickTock?) and t hen never did it, so even as town he did something "scummy" You linked the same post. But re: end of the world mafia that's a just post defending himself. Not an actual anaylsis or substantial post or push .It's qualitatively different than what he does here and in other mafia games. | ||
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