On February 18 2019 21:27 Acrofales wrote: I definitely don't have time for this.
/in
I definitely don’t have time for this.
/in
PM me a lot. Like deadlines and everything.
I drive to LA twice a week now, 2 hours each way. Some weeks 3 times or more.
I am taking computer science 1 (basic af C++ which has me UTTERLY MYSTIFYED) and chem 003 which is “you didn’t take chemistry in high school”, so I am breezing it but it still takes time.
I am
I love a girl in LA. I thought it was impossible to ask her anything or even dine with her. But she actually had me meet her in her office immediately after work to talk, I feel so inadequate for her... I actually met her to apologize for lying to her, she told me to not worry... that we are best as friends...
I think all this, may kill me irl- not that I’d suicide, I know better, I just might run myself ragged.
I am 28 and I am already going bald from stress.
Hopefully, this is a relief of some of that or I will up and leave without saying anything...
She, and her family and friends, love mafia. And she is the best one at it. But the main thing, is her life has been so like mine... I understand her pain. I feel like she can understand mine too. She hurts too much to let me in... I hurt too much to let her in, too. Maybe, in time this will change.
On February 22 2019 02:51 Pandain wrote: Does the statement that Veteran Saves are not notified mean that if you're the veteran and are shot you will not be notified?
On February 21 2019 17:35 KelsierSC wrote: stuff came up
/out
Oh chicken mcfish
This makes me consider outing
Like there is stuff that is up, 24/7 300+ days a year for me
I have no time
I'd recommend not playing if you don't think you will have time to put in the bare minimum effort.
That goes for everyone. Don't feel obligated to play if you're going to regret joining once the game starts
Considered.
Deadline is good enough I can stay in. But mostly because big game, people will be in thread to engage with. I won’t be able to read many histories, and I’ve never been great at historical analysis anyway so bam
On February 23 2019 00:33 Acrofales wrote: 1 AM deadline here, so me neither. But if the bandwagon just piles on behind my vote, we'll lynch all the scum no problems.
You best be town then so i can sheep effectively
On February 23 2019 00:33 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Going to have class two days out of the week at that time, but I should manage
Well I HaVe clAss 4 daYs a WeEk so THERE! 😂
On February 23 2019 01:14 Pandain wrote: This is the first TL Mafia game in a while isn't it? I've been keeping on an eye on the forum trying to look for the next game for a couple months. I used to play a lot of games here between 2010 and 2013.
That’s right I kinda remember you just fading away. I think you played a few in 14 too though right?
I played Mafia in person with like 30 사람들 and, they were so much better than the white people I played with and revived the spirit of the game in me. Ofc the white girl was the one who said I was crazy and stupid and a bad strategist for pointing out that the mafia are more inclined to have survival as their goal... 😅
But
I think, due to nostalgia, I may actually be more noteworthy this game. I am encouraged that I am not the stupidest man in the room! There are people who think I might be able to help run huge companies, and I proved that in mafia... wow...!
So I want to do well! Impress 여자는 eh, except she’ll never see it 🤦♂️
I know many, they don’t drive like that. Porsche, with style and composure that I find enviable.
You’re just trying to cover for the fact that she got you carsick in Beverly Hills dude. You didn’t even get it when she pointed out you were on rodeo drive...
She treated you to a date in the golden triangle, drove you to her parents house, and invited you on a trip abroad.
You think, maybe, there was a little bit of bias going on? Like, maybe you missed some errors?
Proof positive: she forgot the keys to the back gate and you guys had to race around to the front. Which is the whole reason you got carsick.
Yeah I think you glorified her driving style.
But, yes, best person on earth 😄👍🏼 There shall be no other, eh?
Good luck with that m8. You’re younger than she is, poorer than she is, stupider than she is, rude, and forgetful. Yeah, she can be rude too but that doesn’t make for compatibility does it?
On February 26 2019 22:52 Jockmcplop wrote: I've been reading through past mafia games on here as, like, an introduction to how this usually goes and I have to admit feeling like I'm going to be in way over my head against you veterans. Either that or my n00bie fresh eyes will give me the ultimate advantage.
You’ll do fine
I have 50 games and I still don’t know shit and I’m still fine
On February 27 2019 01:57 Tictock wrote: I suppose I was unintentionally furthering the stereotype of the bad Asian female driver... I really just wanted to put the reference for the joke I was making. In hindsight, context was probably unnecessary.
Personally I tend to be most bothered by drivers who feel like they own the road. You know the people who bob and weave in and out of traffic playing the “me first” game. Who, despite knowing full well their lane is ending, will zoom as far past as many people as possible before merging over.
I find it odd how there is a thread of thought that gender has any bearing on driving ability, when clearly there is no difference between men and woman drivers. I do have to concede that there are cultural differences in driving. One thing I notice is that in EU drivers tend to use car horns as an alert whereas in the US drivers tend to use it as a shout (usually in anger at traffic or telling someone to go).
There is much truth here
...
And, well... yeeeahhhhhhhhhhh we didn’t exactly drive conservatively.
Also they’ve done studies, there is a difference. The stereotypes didn’t come from thin air.
HOWEVER this woman is a badass so she drives like a professional.
On February 27 2019 02:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: Probably not been to lithuania aswell. We are here atm and people drive literally almost 100kph in the middle of the city...
... genitals at birth? Idk. Basically specify which type of clothes you buy
I’ll start. I shop at lol, rich kid just keeps what his parents bought around college age, it all fits and it lasts because good clothes are also durable much of the time for men’s.
... genitals at birth? Idk. Basically specify which type of clothes you buy
I’ll start. I shop at lol, rich kid just keeps what his parents bought around college age, it all fits and it lasts because good clothes are also durable much of the time for men’s.
But, Ralph Lauren and J. Crew come to mind.
Most of my clothes are from metal concerts or the thrift store. I was born with a penis.
HELL YEAAA
Wait what kind of clothes do you get at a concert? They sell clothes to music?
I haven’t been to anything, not even an orchestra or some such. Like I can see it now, some booth in front of an opera house selling tuxedos or polos or something
On February 28 2019 00:17 Jockmcplop wrote: Plain white t-shirts from Primark for me. I don't feel as bad cutting nipple holes in them and writing 'slut' all over them in lipstick.
On February 28 2019 00:26 Jockmcplop wrote: Primark does men's and women's clothing, and yeah its like the cheapest clothes store in the UK. Its where students and people like me go.
I like my poor quality clothing to be dangerously stitched by children in countries with no health and safety legislation.
I was just about to mention this, holy shit
Bones stitched into clothing, damn this industry seems to be largely about taking advantage of destitute Asians, but hot damn even the Gap doesn’t have stuff this bad
Wow.
Hey but what is Next directory then? I used to work for their advert department on contract when they were in LA.
I'm also half tempted to change the topic to whisky, but that may result in me getting shot so I won't.
I guess directory was in the website name. Or their advert department.
I am deeply interested in the corporate side of textiles but whiskey works too. I tried some glenfiddich recently and wasn’t half bad
I quite enjoyed it
So far J Crew is the only ethical textiles I have found. Even (slam positively biased company) has had some issues with suppliers, it can apparently be really hard to stay on top of that.
Poverty, wealth, desperation, apathy, contented discomfort, greedy satisfaction- all these things live within me.
I stand tall enough, to have a foot in both worlds- but not by my own doing.
I am stretched to the point of insanity, yet I am painstakingly cared for. I see much from a great height, but my legs are so thin... when will they cave in?
Why is TLMafia the place I put these strange, useless memoirs?
Perhaps because I know I can be traced here, and yet also know that it is highly unlikely.
Or perhaps it is because I am frustrated that I cannot speak of this stuff in person to people close to me, and find the idea that maybe I shouldn’t put it all here and yet still am putting it here anyway to be fascinating and enticing.
Whatever. Pregame spam, maybe I won’t spam so much during the game resulting in a net benefit яут? Amiяут?
So more for this post. I don’t own myself. But I am not a slave, not a married man, not a soldier, not anything that would give anyone ownership of me.
Yet, I cannot make even the simplest commitments without risking utter ruin. Wealth only grants power- not freedom, like many think. .io games are an excellent representation of this. Everyone wants the money, so, to keep even enough for yourself to survive you must work to keep all of it, painstakingly, not that you must hoard- you can give it away- but, you have to control that giving so that even this blessed action is toil. (It can be great release and one of the most fulfilling joys in life too, from what I observe. But it still creates work where once there was none- painful work, as people see you as greedy for it and will take that sentiment to fighting.) So then, when those who suffer anxiety receive wealth, they seek to control. Not just their wealth, but all facets of their life. They can’t handle the stress. Wealth is not actually a blessing for those who are weak, in some esoteric sense that I can’t fully define here. You can totally be unable to lift 20 kilos but handle incredible wealth like it was normal. (Gates does this). This is what I mean with esoteric strength. Anyway.
The amazing lengths that must be taken once a person has amassed, by their entire family, can break it’s members. If someone, being weak, controls a fortune, they can use this through desire to control to ruin prodigy- for fear that this same prodigy may turn on them, suddenly, like a tiger weaned and raised in one’s house, lovingly, and like a son, may still do. Reason does not matter to such individuals; they are dominated by fear.
Fear. Fear is a ruin. Fear has it’s place, but out of place it causes damage that cannot fully be known (though perhaps not great).
But what then? I am not really trapped. I can do things, many things. Why do I subject myself to all this? This “stretching”, this lack of control?
I want a read on Holyflare and then I will decide.
He is my first pick, newbie game brotherhood + respect fear.
Next would be Blazinghand with the same stipulations but he tends to be less able to handle power than he seems. It just hit me: Blazinghand is like Donald trump. He can convince but he doesn’t always back it up- so people claim he never does, which is untrue.
I want a read on Holyflare and then I will decide.
He is my first pick, newbie game brotherhood + respect fear.
Next would be Blazinghand with the same stipulations but he tends to be less able to handle power than he seems. It just hit me: Blazinghand is like Donald trump. He can convince but he doesn’t always back it up- so people claim he never does, which is untrue.
I have been breadcrumbing a read on him all game.. where ya reading?
By The Power of Thirty- F I V E , it is declared. Our Lynch is already decided. But, I W O N ‘ T be voting for or pushing it. It needs no encouragement and I don’t scumread them.
It has been spoken to the wind.
It has cast off into the air.
Despite my lack of intent the consequence of my declaration is so.
On March 02 2019 20:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote: As I said before. I have night continental shifts so my activity this weekend will be sporadic.
Current reads that matter.
Rsoultin Iamperfection
Chezinu
Now to go into the why.
Iamperfection has literally done nothing so far this game thus far. He accused chez for posting to post while providing next to - content in his own posts. The one post he makes where he outlines a "read" he doesn't go into it at all then back burners it to harass someone for not playing at the level he wants. I also hate people who talk about what any power role should do day 1 (actively talking about vig shots) as that leads to the potential of power roles outing themself to be sniped by mafia.
Rsoultin. The guy accuses a player (Chezinu) of posting fluff rp posts that provide no content. This post specifically screams at every core of my being.
On March 02 2019 20:27 rsoultin wrote: Pft. Chez was just such a non-entity in his roleplay posts. I don't care about the roleplay. It's just if he's engaged enough in the thread to roleplay, and also to try to communicate with other players and make comments about the game, I expect something shiny and smart from him. It doesn't have to be new.
But what he was giving were non-committal turds and I don't even know what that spoilered lynch list or ls emoticon thing was about.
Chezinu is a known quantity to RP in mafia games. Hes literally done it in some capacity in basically every game I can remember playing in with him. He always provides some form of content in said posts. He has literally given reads on players, and has been providing actual content without RP for a fucking change. Chez has clearly been doing more to push some form of conversation on players to force them to voice opinions. Clearly done more to help this game than most to this point.
Yes the guy has had some shit posts, but hes also playing the game seriously.
Other people i have no idea about, except i feel like something 's off with sicklucker and fecalfeast but i can't point out directly what. Gonna try to sleep a bit more now, i caught a food poisoning on thursday so the last couple of days haven't been well for me regarding sleep and food.
Rayn not aggressive as I remember.
He is super aggressive until laying down who is scum? Not usual for him he is like the town bulldog.
On March 02 2019 17:14 rsoultin wrote: It means you're doing the things you know I look for when I'm trying to get a read on you, which you've admitted to doing as mafia when I'm in a game. So while it makes me want to townread you I can't be as sure as I'd like to be :/
It's mostly tonal with Trfel. Seems really stiff at the start of the game with LS, even disregarding the smilies. There's a caveat here that I think will work itself out before EoD, though.
Surprise i do things that i do as town as mafia aswell? Fine, i got completely different read on him from the beginning and then he also did a trademark town Trfel thing later.
Also this post bothers me. It's downplaying the fact that he legitimately knows I look for him engaging with people to get reads, and that there are at least two scum games (one where I was probably the town leader and another where there were enough other strong town players that if I went ham on him he'd probably be safe unless they independently scumread him) where he catered his play specifically to how I read him.
In earlier scum games he'd yell at people and it would feel more like rayn against the world.
So this post bothers me because it's a de-escalation that's almost submissive while at the same time trying to downplay something we both know he's done. "Oh, really, as scum I do some of the same things as town?"
And I know I just made a wall of text that means probably nothing to anyone but yeah -_- if anyone wants to know where some of the leeriness is coming from there you go. (Also he hasn't called me scum yet for having different reads than him >>)
On March 02 2019 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: I see what you're saying Vivax but i think you are blowing it out of proportion. Conversion is very very likely to be town.
See I am getting the opposite impression.
I think Rayn and I will fight at some point in this game
On March 03 2019 01:55 Holyflare wrote: Also I don't believe any towny posts catch up posts like he's doing and presses submit and then ignores every post around his and doesn't respond to it. There's no way anyone can resist the temptation to defend themselves in that situation and they would be wanting to solve the game.
Whoa nelly homboii
I do that all the time, it can be hard to see stuff on a phone.
On March 03 2019 02:10 Ace wrote: I think we should nominate someone who has barely posted yet as Mayor. There are a lot of thoughts already posted that could help us draw conclusions based on conversations.
Giving a semi-lurking/lurking player lynch power and forcing them into the game seems like a good move to me. So a player like Tumblewood or tubesock should be nominated (they've barely posted from a cursory filter check).
Dafuq
I will run for mayor before following this plan, sry m8. Absentee mayor bad thing.
On July 16 2012 15:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I've been out of my fix for far too long, it's about time we got this started :D
People are being shy violets right now but I like what probulous has posted thus far.
Looking back at PYP insane, Chez tried to look as scummy as possible and people passed it off as "just chez being chez." Looking at his opening post I almost feel like a similar theme is in the offing. It'd be irresponsible to call someone scum after one post but I just want to put this out there, especially since there since foolishness and I are the only other people who were in that game so he may feel he can get away with it again.
gotta get out dat FoS: Chezinu
On July 16 2012 15:45 Blazinghand wrote:
On July 16 2012 15:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 16 2012 15:41 Blazinghand wrote:
On July 16 2012 15:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
It'd be irresponsible to call someone scum after one post ...
FoS: Chezinu
._.
What part of FoS is me calling Chez scum?
Can you tell me what FoS means?
FoS means "I, Meapak_Ziphh, am afraid of putting out a strong stance because I'm worried I'll find out that Chez is scum with me-- I need an out" according to mafiascum wiki
When Mafias Fight each other!
On January 05 2013 17:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hey guys I'm not scum. Just getting that out of the way so we don't waste time tomorrow.
ok..
On July 07 2013 09:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 07 2013 09:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 07 2013 09:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 07 2013 09:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: i do not have a nuke. I tell that now. SOMEONE NUKE CHEZINU! Anyone who is town and has a nuke, nuke Chezinu-.
Nobody listen to this.
This is what loses town high kp games. People need to sit back and chill the fuck out. Xat is most likely dead, now lets not do anything rash.
No, what loses town high KP games is the fact that townies or scum shoot town. Xatalos is the fucking towniest guy in thread besides gumshoe. You are probably scum for questioning me besides Chezinu's reasons for nuking Xata.
##Unvote: ##Vote: Chezinu
Congratulations, you may be the dumbest person currently playing this game.
You're also easily the scummiest. You start off super defensive, then proceed to shit up the thread with a dumb argument and then go after chez who is a pretty easy (but incredibly bad) target since he launched a nuke. Then you omgus.
I'd be down a for a rayn lynch.
Dandel, wos, austin, geript lets get some input here.
Such fun times..
Holy shit Chez with deep dive. I'm not sure why you brought all of that up except that I seem to be trying to lynch you in all those games? I haven't said anything against you this game lmao. Those games are also like... 6 or 7 years old.
None has a deeper nostalgia, a wider memory, a greater appropriateness for this game.
I scumread chezinu but I want him the last member alive. He has earned that distinction.
On March 03 2019 01:55 Holyflare wrote: Also I don't believe any towny posts catch up posts like he's doing and presses submit and then ignores every post around his and doesn't respond to it. There's no way anyone can resist the temptation to defend themselves in that situation and they would be wanting to solve the game.
Whoa nelly homboii
I do that all the time, it can be hard to see stuff on a phone.
There's a difference between phone posting to make a comment + just existing and writing a wall of text and just disappearing.
On March 03 2019 02:10 Ace wrote: I think we should nominate someone who has barely posted yet as Mayor. There are a lot of thoughts already posted that could help us draw conclusions based on conversations.
Giving a semi-lurking/lurking player lynch power and forcing them into the game seems like a good move to me. So a player like Tumblewood or tubesock should be nominated (they've barely posted from a cursory filter check).
sounds like a retarded plan to me.
Why
You want to give a power to a player who you have no idea who is town or scum.
And if the player is bad they might do something stupid if they are town. The goal is to lynch scum nothing more.
Only some of us started this game knowing who is town so that premise is moot. I think you should give those players a chance to reveal their motives. You've been asking people about reads already - this idea jives right along with where you supposedly want to go.
If the player is bad, then say so and we'll pick a better person with the potential to positively contribute.
Ace why would you give mayor power to someone who isn’t playing the game
On March 03 2019 04:31 Alakaslam wrote: It’a high time Rayn focused me down or I caught him
Is this from a meta read on him?
Largely, yes, not entirely but how did you know?
You mentioned earlier a lack of aggression compared to usual. What else are you basing your suspicion from?
His baseless suspicion of me. I am low hanging fruit to a lot of players here, including Rayn. As town, most people know to pretty much ignore me early on, especially if I am doing the pure flavor stuff I was.
Yet I was a target all of a sudden.
That is a weaker case than the meta read though as I was unusual here.
On March 03 2019 04:31 Alakaslam wrote: It’a high time Rayn focused me down or I caught him
Is this from a meta read on him?
Largely, yes, not entirely but how did you know?
You mentioned earlier a lack of aggression compared to usual. What else are you basing your suspicion from?
His baseless suspicion of me. I am low hanging fruit to a lot of players here, including Rayn. As town, most people know to pretty much ignore me early on, especially if I am doing the pure flavor stuff I was.
Yet I was a target all of a sudden.
That is a weaker case than the meta read though as I was unusual here.
He also didn’t lead with it, he just hopped on rsoul’s mild suspicion. Notice I actually townread her, yet not him
On March 03 2019 04:31 Alakaslam wrote: It’a high time Rayn focused me down or I caught him
Is this from a meta read on him?
Largely, yes, not entirely but how did you know?
You mentioned earlier a lack of aggression compared to usual. What else are you basing your suspicion from?
His baseless suspicion of me. I am low hanging fruit to a lot of players here, including Rayn. As town, most people know to pretty much ignore me early on, especially if I am doing the pure flavor stuff I was.
Yet I was a target all of a sudden.
That is a weaker case than the meta read though as I was unusual here.
He also didn’t lead with it, he just hopped on rsoul’s mild suspicion. Notice I actually townread her, yet not him
Lol tbf I'm pretty sure rayn mentioned you first and I was the one aggreeing that you didn't look towny this game.
Rly? I don’t remember that.
Huh.
Yeah my impression of Rayn is biased but Mayhap we fight and discover.
On March 03 2019 05:15 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'd like to survive long enough to figure out my role so I'm going to disagree with the Sentinel Policy Lynch
On July 16 2012 15:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I've been out of my fix for far too long, it's about time we got this started :D
People are being shy violets right now but I like what probulous has posted thus far.
Looking back at PYP insane, Chez tried to look as scummy as possible and people passed it off as "just chez being chez." Looking at his opening post I almost feel like a similar theme is in the offing. It'd be irresponsible to call someone scum after one post but I just want to put this out there, especially since there since foolishness and I are the only other people who were in that game so he may feel he can get away with it again.
gotta get out dat FoS: Chezinu
On July 16 2012 15:45 Blazinghand wrote:
On July 16 2012 15:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 16 2012 15:41 Blazinghand wrote:
On July 16 2012 15:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
It'd be irresponsible to call someone scum after one post ...
FoS: Chezinu
._.
What part of FoS is me calling Chez scum?
Can you tell me what FoS means?
FoS means "I, Meapak_Ziphh, am afraid of putting out a strong stance because I'm worried I'll find out that Chez is scum with me-- I need an out" according to mafiascum wiki
When Mafias Fight each other!
On January 05 2013 17:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hey guys I'm not scum. Just getting that out of the way so we don't waste time tomorrow.
ok..
On July 07 2013 09:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 07 2013 09:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 07 2013 09:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 07 2013 09:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: i do not have a nuke. I tell that now. SOMEONE NUKE CHEZINU! Anyone who is town and has a nuke, nuke Chezinu-.
Nobody listen to this.
This is what loses town high kp games. People need to sit back and chill the fuck out. Xat is most likely dead, now lets not do anything rash.
No, what loses town high KP games is the fact that townies or scum shoot town. Xatalos is the fucking towniest guy in thread besides gumshoe. You are probably scum for questioning me besides Chezinu's reasons for nuking Xata.
##Unvote: ##Vote: Chezinu
Congratulations, you may be the dumbest person currently playing this game.
You're also easily the scummiest. You start off super defensive, then proceed to shit up the thread with a dumb argument and then go after chez who is a pretty easy (but incredibly bad) target since he launched a nuke. Then you omgus.
I'd be down a for a rayn lynch.
Dandel, wos, austin, geript lets get some input here.
Such fun times..
Holy shit Chez with deep dive. I'm not sure why you brought all of that up except that I seem to be trying to lynch you in all those games? I haven't said anything against you this game lmao. Those games are also like... 6 or 7 years old.
None has a deeper nostalgia, a wider memory, a greater appropriateness for this game.
I scumread chezinu but I want him the last member alive. He has earned that distinction.
Explain this jesus fuck. I do not care that Slam says he is low hanging fruit. The guy literally just said this is my scum read but im not going to lynch him.
Bloodycobbler if you didn’t join this to enjoy some nostalgia, why did you?
On March 02 2019 10:01 Trfel wrote: Hi, I am mafia
Cool who are your buddies?
Can't you just check the QT?
Also, to unvote in the mayor election you unmayor someone? That sounds pretty crazy xD And before anyone asks the inevitable question, there are seven mafia in the game, so we don't have to argue about it, cool?
No self respecting town person reads setup.
You're mafia.
This is outstanding analysis and I agree with it 100%
Meh, HF's post is NAI for me (seems more like a general poke, than a real accusation) but my gut really seems to think Meap is mafia all the more for this.
On March 02 2019 10:08 Fecalfeast wrote: Vote me for mayor. I will be the arbiter of truth and justice
But how do we know that you're town here?
For anyone to know that I'm town at this point, that person would have to be scum. I'm here to find scum and lynch them, not prove that I'm town by any means that aren't incidental to my stated goals.
Do you know if youre town?
This is prob just kus Rayn and I have very different personalities/outlooks, but these sort of questions bug me. It's really an accusation that FF is slipping that he is actually mafia, but it's very implied that FF means "anyone else" as he is unlikely to be thinking about his own position. So probably just a weak poke from Rayn, but I dislike. Mostly kus what sort of response do you expect from this question? How can it help you?
Meap seems very Mafia to me on this page, he even does this "Guide me Senpai" thing with HF that I hate. + Show Spoiler +
On March 02 2019 10:01 Trfel wrote: Hi, I am mafia
Cool who are your buddies?
Can't you just check the QT?
Also, to unvote in the mayor election you unmayor someone? That sounds pretty crazy xD And before anyone asks the inevitable question, there are seven mafia in the game, so we don't have to argue about it, cool?
No self respecting town person reads setup.
You're mafia.
He already claimed mafia though didn't you read the opening of the game?
No self respecting townie reads the whole thread.
Sheeeeiiiit this is more quality analysis I can get behind
On March 03 2019 17:10 Blazinghand wrote: Hey friends! hope everyone is doing well. I'm still catching up on page 19, it seems like we have a lot of activity which is great. I won't be going for the usual random lynch thing this time around, but I do have a suggestion that might help out if we're having trouble deciding on the lynch. Let me know if there's anything urgent I need to weigh in on as I catch up.
Welcome back,
So I’m not particularly a fan of RNG right now, but, you’ll get your wish and have in facto proven that it works.
So feel free to toss it out there. But as nothing is truly random, I know who it will land on and that they will be lynched.
On March 03 2019 17:01 Chezinu wrote: phew,,, I am so glad the mafia has back down on me since I'm playing nice with MZ. I really feel a huge pressure off of me now. I feel quite free.
So with that said.
hey rsoultin!
Do you want to be friends?
depends, you ready to slake my thirst?
I can not really do that but there is a man who can. There is this guy John who wrote about him in the fourth chapter. He claims he can give water that won't ever make you thirsty again! It would be like a spring within that keeps springing... oh ... oh! Liquidia can flow again! We must get eternal life! To know the one who sent this man!
On March 03 2019 17:10 Blazinghand wrote: Hey friends! hope everyone is doing well. I'm still catching up on page 19, it seems like we have a lot of activity which is great. I won't be going for the usual random lynch thing this time around, but I do have a suggestion that might help out if we're having trouble deciding on the lynch. Let me know if there's anything urgent I need to weigh in on as I catch up.
On March 03 2019 19:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Honestly, i hate to argue with lawyers. They twist shit into dimensions that is incomprehensible and normal stupid people actually believe that shit. It is so mind-boggling how stupid people actually are in general.
Heh, it isn’t always stupidity. It is emotion. Appeals to emotion often work.
On March 03 2019 23:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Hai mocsta! Not missing much. Hf/rayn yelling at each other, Palmar wants mayor to dispose of sentinel cause he won't read his role pm. Pretty stavdard stuff.
Yo I've still got an open question for you. Would you be so kind as to answer it.
On March 04 2019 00:10 Vivax wrote: HF are you jealous of Palmar or something. Let him be the mayor, you should know yourself enough to know that you act upon the weirdest impulses at EoDs.
Not jealous, no. I see the same guy advocating the same lynch as me yet people jumping on his bandwagon and citing that the reason they're doing it is that they want sentinel mayor lynched like it's some revelation that only Palmar has brought to the thread. That's suspicious.
If you think mafia is involved in Palmar’s actions, then why have your own not changed? Why are you ok with pushing an agenda mafia is also ok putting forth?
On March 04 2019 00:55 rsoultin wrote: The whole thing where LS's only 'scumread' out of 34 other people is MZ, and then he wants to kill Koshi screams to me of a Koshi that rolled scum and told his buddies to just lynch him.
If LS flips scum, MZ probably is scum, too, so that's three right there.
On March 04 2019 00:55 rsoultin wrote: The whole thing where LS's only 'scumread' out of 34 other people is MZ, and then he wants to kill Koshi screams to me of a Koshi that rolled scum and told his buddies to just lynch him.
If LS flips scum, MZ probably is scum, too, so that's three right there.
On March 04 2019 00:10 Vivax wrote: HF are you jealous of Palmar or something. Let him be the mayor, you should know yourself enough to know that you act upon the weirdest impulses at EoDs.
Not jealous, no. I see the same guy advocating the same lynch as me yet people jumping on his bandwagon and citing that the reason they're doing it is that they want sentinel mayor lynched like it's some revelation that only Palmar has brought to the thread. That's suspicious.
If you think mafia is involved in Palmar’s actions, then why have your own not changed? Why are you ok with pushing an agenda mafia is also ok putting forth?
Because I'd rather get rid of cheats and if that means siding with mafia then so be it.
Basically if they have similar ideas on who should be lynched and HF came up with the idea first(not sure, have to re-read) then why is Palmar gaining more support than he/she is. Could be nothing but I think this is one of the few real "divisive" issues that can show scum motives that we've had so far.
I agree rather strongly, and HF did have the idea first.
It’s part of the TL mafia veteran worship though; Palmar has been here longer and proven his value for a longer time than HF has proved his quite comparable value.
On March 04 2019 03:56 iamperfection wrote: Acrofails is mafia.
I have mentioned his first post but i will mention it again because it makes my case longer and you guys like cases longer so it is easier for you to sheep
On March 02 2019 16:17 Acrofales wrote: I just started reading and 3 pages in stopped again. From this point onwards, I will be operating on a lynch all liars policy, because holy shit, mafia claims are the dumbest things I have ever seen. So yeah. Claim mafia beyond this point and I'll assume it's the truth. I also refuse to read anything else up to here, unless someone specifically points me somewhere in the first 23 pages worth reading.
Now can we keep the postcount reasonable? This isn't a mini, and I'm going sailing all weekend and have a deadline on Monday.
Thanks.
Acrofales, the townie.
Playing thread cop when announcing that your going to be away is illogical especially for someone like acro. This is a person that has had a 50 page filter before and he was also full of shit he has come back to the thread to post drivel several times. It also shows he isn't reading the thread correctly because he is scum. Thoses " claims" were clearly jokes and acro cant understand that because he knows who is scum.
He is also making reads but they aren't really reads.
On March 02 2019 19:54 rsoultin wrote: Also, even though I'm using the mayor slot to demonstrate where my townreads are, it's pretty irrelevant. Regardless of who we pick they should just be held accountable for lynching who town wants to lynch -shrugs-
Or are you suggesting rayn that we just leave that to the mayor and not simply use it as a second lynch mechanic?
100% agree with this. Going off this logic Rsoul would be my vote for Mayor.
Also, just enjoying this interaction between Rayn and Rsoul.
On March 02 2019 20:33 Holyflare wrote: If anyone cares my reads align with rsoul. I think. Chez suspicious. Guy posting catch ups was it trfel? Seemed mediocre and not any revelations. Iamp piggybacking me suspicious. Don't care if I like what he's said about people non-posting. That's easy to do.
Didn't like rayn that much tbh. He seems to not be saying much but talking in walls of text and circles.
I dunno I'm sorry I'm a bit shit right now but whatever.
Pretty sure that's me, and I don't give a shit kus you always seem to hate the way I interact with the game.
I also strongly disagree about Rayn, I see him pushing his own thoughts and thinking and explaining why, nothing circular at all.
HF seems to be posting to post and I don't like it, but it's not really a scum read right now. It's just him coasting.
On March 02 2019 20:35 rsoultin wrote: Like for me it breaks down like this:
You've got trolling people. You've got lurking people. You've got lazy people. You've got some overly aggressives that aren't giving me warm fuzzies (MP). You've got people I'm not sure about who when I'm not sure about them have a nasty habit of being scum (Rayn) but because he's burned me so often I'm not sure if that's not where the uncertainty's coming from.
And then you have seemingly excited to play, I respect the shit out of his intelligence Chez playing but not saying anything interesting. That first group can hide a lot of bad town play. But doing something without doing anything ticks off my scum meter to a higher degree.
Rsoul is starting to convince me... Idk. I don't particularly want to lynch Chez myself but I get where her read is coming from, and I am not opposed to a Chez lynch.
#540 Bloody's entry doesn't jive well with me, but mostly due to their reads being pretty opposite to my own. I can sorta see the logic in Bloody's reads, but it's very much in a scum-range of what to post to enter the game. Gut read leans scum, but I think deserves more to be on my watch list.
Speaking of my Watch List, I think it's something like this right now: Meap Grack Jock Mr. Wiggles Acro Bloddy HF (just not comfortable with him just floating around the game making no impact, yet being relatively present)
Rels is also close to being on this list for "playing" but only making a "Hi" post then laughing at something rayn did. He only escapes this list because I know he has actively avoided playing D1 as town in recent games. It's the fact that he tried to play a little but didn't actually that almost has him on it.
I don't agree with much of this, but I do like the post.
1) Rsoultin is posting easy reads and not actually doing much poking. I don't know how she'd go on anybody's town reads so far, and definitely nowhere near mayor material.
2) Cobbler posted some reads and something provocative, and gave time for them to answer. I liked his first post and will wait for more. The fact that he's aggressive seems fine. Not going to do anything meta with it, because the last time I played mafia is probably 4 years ago or so and while I remember playing with Cobbler I can't for the life of me remember his alignment. I do remember him being aggressive tho, but not abusive.
3) Everybody should be on your watch list. We are not even halfway though D1... but if I take it to mean a list of people who are posting suspiciously, the only ones I agree with is Grack. I don't understand the list anyway without justifications.
Grack made a useless list post as first entry and then fucked off again. It seemed quite a lot like scum doing stuff to "seem active". And I remember Grack being quite a useful player, so I agree with you there. The rest? Haven't even seen a post by Wiggles, Meepack seems no worse than most people, and Jock I'd say more clueless town than anything else. Cobbler see above, and HF actually seems to be trying some things too.
Does he think rsoultin is mafia i dont know can you tell? i certainly cant he is just showing shade without taking any real stance. Mafia hate making real reads because its hard when you have to "make them up" . Same think with cobbler he makes a somewhat read but its nothing if you really read.
He then goes into coaching and then makes a scum read but has to add some nonsense he dosent really want to convince anyone to do anything really.
On March 03 2019 16:26 Acrofales wrote: K, 1 1/2 hours of morning posts before I'm sailing all day again.
Summary of the night:
##mayor Palmar
zzz
this is why the sent push is pointless
Why is this pointless? Walk me through it. I disagree with lynching sent (although I do want him dead). I'm all for putting that responsibility squarely on Palmar's shoulders.
And no, waiting til n1 to start playing the game seriously is not acceptable as town.
36? players. You either believe him about his role pm blahness or don't. If you don't, by all means push it. If you do it's boring. People won't lynch Chez on the assumping he can be vig'd. So can this guy.
And mostly it's an easy thing to agree with and excuse not doing anything else, innit?
Though props for not being that guy at least.
People won't lynch Chez because they don't think he's obviously scum. So if you want to lynch Chez make a better case than he's RPing the brown, because if you actually read his posts there's some decent amount of effort into understanding the game there, IMHO.
Sent is different. Let's assume he's telling the truth. In that case the only ppl who know his alignment are scum. If he's scum then they'll try to save him and if he isn't they'll try to kill him. Lynching him is not the best option, because there's far too much confusion in that wagon to get any information.
Now let's assume he's lying. I can't think of a town reason for doing this, and so he's scum. The rest is similar to above.
Enters Palmar: he claims to feel strongly about killing sent. So let him do it. All you need to decide is if Palmar is townie enough. But if we decide Palmar is townie enough to be mayor then he is free to kill whoever he likes. He sticks with sentinel and sentinel flips scum? We win, yay! Sheep Palmar into Armageddon. Sentinel flips town? We figure out if Palmars policy lynch is an ideological thing or a scum thing. Either way, we get information about Palmar out of this, which is a great thing to get out of D1.
This post is ultra scummy. His stance on palmar reeks of having extra information one way or another. Palmar saying he is going to just policy lynch and fuck off should be called out by acro but instead he takes a wait and see approach because he dosent really care how it turns out. Acro is good player and he should be shitting on palamr for saying he is going to fuck off. Instead he says we will figure it out but dosent really suggest how to do it. Shouldnt he be puhing palmar now? why wait. he dosent really want to figure out palmars alignment because he already knows what it is.
not really pushing anything and has several other posts where he attacks low hanging fruit just to feign activity. Acro is mafia and that is who i will vote for.
I want all of you to comment on my case and vote acro.
It’s day one though. Is any of us really pushing anything particularly hard? If so, is it wise?
I think stuff like what (I think it was LS?) was doing is more scummy day one. Heck even BH
Hence I ask of him but now I see it as worthwhile to ruin that if you can stop my hole poking.
On March 04 2019 10:32 Alakaslam wrote: Hi Iamp. I’ve failed to see thee this game, been flossing over your stuff I admit.
Sorry m8. We’re both on rn so I’ll go read your shit
if you have failed to see me your not reading
That was my point, I meant GLOSSING damn autocorrect did it again anyway, yeah I wasn’t reading you with any more attention than I could divide with dental string
On March 04 2019 11:15 Blazinghand wrote: TBH I think it would be reasonable to spend the lynch or the free mayor lynch on me today. I don't mind being knocked out early, and it would give other players a chance to play longer and have more fun. Same with eating a vigi bullet if needed
On March 04 2019 14:43 WaveofShadow wrote: My weakness is I often tie people's alignments to their reads of me but I can't help but be curious. Stuff like rsoul's read of me makes me lean scum on her because it feels like a massive cop-out when I know she's way more capable and at the very least could have taken the bad=scum route or formulated some opinion on my lacklustre performance thus far. It's real easy.
On March 04 2019 23:28 Vivax wrote: If you're town here's what you're going to do:
You accept your swift merciful death and thank us for relieving you from your duties in a busy week irl. You try to find oddities in the peeps pushing for your lynch and/or summarize for us why MZ should be the next lynch, cause that seems to be your only scumread atm.
I'll honor your contributions, take them into consideration and if found worthy carry on your will throughout the game.
Very town. I also always say these things when I am town and convinced. Cool stuff.
Koshi how do you feel about rolling town?
Very good thank you for asking. Being mafia is always a burden on my life. I eat, sleep and live less happy when I am still alive in a game as mafia. But now I am happy and I can do my thing.
Life is good.
Side story. I had soccer yesterday and I went to the MacDo drive in after with gf and asked for a cheeseburger, paid the 1.5 euro for the cheeseburger, but instead got a double cheeseburger. And I told my gf that this was the sign of a good week. And today I rolled town.
On March 05 2019 00:44 WaveofShadow wrote: Like in HF's head: 'behold! I am scum leader palmar and I want all you lesser scums all to vote for me so I can waste the mayor lunch! Bwahahaha!'
Wave/mocsta/ls/chezinu/mz- 'yes sir'
So there was this mafia game where Kush and I bussed each other all game and it worked like magic
On March 05 2019 00:44 WaveofShadow wrote: Like in HF's head: 'behold! I am scum leader palmar and I want all you lesser scums all to vote for me so I can waste the mayor lunch! Bwahahaha!'
Wave/mocsta/ls/chezinu/mz- 'yes sir'
So there was this mafia game where Kush and I bussed each other all game and it worked like magic
On March 04 2019 18:01 WaveofShadow wrote: Stop talking about mod stuff HF i hate that
What are you talking about?
He either copied a pm from the host or forged one:
On March 04 2019 03:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 04 2019 03:49 Holyflare wrote:
On March 04 2019 03:49 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: [quote] [quote]
Yeah but YOURS.
On March 04 2019 03:45 kitaman27 wrote: You're VT btw
I responded to your joke with a joke.
On March 04 2019 18:19 Palmar wrote: I think my wagon (and iamp's to a lesser extent) is a much safer bet for mafia. I'm the conventional choice, the easy choice to make. I'm playing pretty townie, I'm a well known name in all eras of TL Mafia, I have a clear objective etc. I think mafia is less likely to be contrarian like that.
I made this argument first btw.
On March 04 2019 18:58 Palmar wrote:
On March 04 2019 18:40 Holyflare wrote:
On March 04 2019 17:55 Palmar wrote:
On March 04 2019 17:47 Acrofales wrote: [quote] Can't you just give him a slap on the wrist or something? Or at least tell us why his earlier shit outweighs the later stuff in deciding who to kill? Because this just sounds lazy to me. And I need you to be not-lazy so I can sheep you.
He needs to repent for his sins and respect authority. I am authority.
Also, I don't believe a word he says, I'm like 90% sure he's lying. I think one of two options is the real one here:
a) He read his PM initially, claimed this gambit, got called out on his bullshit and is now trying to pull back from it. b) He didn't read his PM initially, and he didn't read it now. As soon as night falls he'll post "haha I didn't actually read my role PM suckers".
I don't think for a second he just didn't read his role PM and then read it without question when told to. People are prideful and his turnaround was... too easy. He didn't resist enough, didn't try to spite me at all for forcing him to do this.
Once you do anti town shit it takes a very, very long time for you to get back on my good side.
I think there's quite a few obvious reasons Sentinel could do what he's done, as town, and none of them should make him the lynch today.
No I know townies do stupid shit all the time. Including playing anti-town.
It's the way he's gone about doing the things he did that's suspicious to me. In general people who play mafia think they're better than everyone else and are spiteful assholes. If he genuinely hadn't read his role PM I believe there is absolutely no way he just caved in I read it, thus option b).
Now option b) says nothing about his alignment of course, as he still doesn't know it, but that's irrelevant. The option I think cannot be true is
c) He didn't read his role PM, then caved in when I pressured him and read his role PM and claimed his role.
I just don't think people work like that. Maybe I'm wrong, but yeah.
I am very, very certain that either a) or b) is the truth, not c).
Between making a case on me based on your own insecurities and having a townread on two of the scummiest players in the game I'm starting to wonder if you're scum.
On March 04 2019 19:29 Palmar wrote:
On March 04 2019 19:17 Jockmcplop wrote: Palmar can you explain your town read on damdred? I don't get it really.
It's a meta/tonal read based on knowing Damdred.
I can't be arsed going back to ensure I have the turn of events exactly right but something like this happened:
Some people were kinda suspicious of LS I thought LS was pretty much being LS and looking pretty ok/town Read along towards Damdred casually claiming masons with LS Infer that what Damdred really means is he townreads LS (it was obviously a joke claim)
So Damdred made the same read I did, and made a ridiculous claim as a defense of LS because to him (Damdred knows LS very well) it's pretty obvious this isn't mafia LS, at least not obvious mafia LS.
It's both the way in which he made the claim, and the fact that his read matched with mine. I like Damdred's tone in other posts as well. I think his "kill from within" town cycle comment had the right amount of funny to not be a mafia trying too hard etc.
You're going to have to explain to me like I'm 5 years old because you're the third player in this game that made some implicit assumption LS is town based on his earlier posts and then built everything off of that.
LS is weird, bunch of us know him very well, that whole bunch seems to think he's town.
I can't explain a read based on just knowing a person.
The whole bunch seem to think the complete opposite lol
Well, Damdred, rsoultin and I all agree
On March 04 2019 07:03 rsoultin wrote:
On March 04 2019 07:01 Damdred wrote:
On March 04 2019 06:59 rsoultin wrote:
On March 04 2019 06:58 Damdred wrote:
On March 04 2019 06:56 rsoultin wrote:
On March 04 2019 06:52 Damdred wrote: @sen,
I wanted to give your post a response that was not based on my feeling or tone.
So here we go,
The first thing I will point to is meta for LS, generally speaking he gives a good bit of town reads that seem flimsy early and he always seems to be noncommittal early. This is based off of meta and just not this game precisely. I do not think that this is a good point to have against him, he is always flip floppy on reads and super paranoid.
However there is a great point that his reads lack many scumspects or anything revolving actual verifiable reads that say x is scum.
He also is not as helpful this game as he generally would be, q lot of time he would dig in past games to figure out if player x does x or y.
There is also the point of his weak rage, seemed to be under almost no pressure but this is a bull tell he generally only goes it as town but he broke this as scum years ago so is not something to fall back on.
I think, that there is a chance that he is scum and you are correct Sen just based off the laziness and the lack of discernable scum reads that he is not pushing.
However I do not think hes the best lynch today. But you did lit together a good case.
This is a great post for why LS is scum. Just saying.
Your right, I basically talked myself out of a hard town read just writing back i stead of on feels. I'd rather still not lynch him today as I think a night/day I could make heads or tails using my charm. But I wont cry and rant otherwise
Not you. You're still in the doghouse of not damdying
Ha, I was excited for a moment and felt that we had a connection....but seriously I think there are good points there but you have to agree that ls is enough of a hard read sometimes that two days are necessary.
I don't have to agree on anything other than I'm floundering all over the place trying to find a good lynch today and will probably just end up sheeping iam or hf like a boob ^^
But I think you and LS and palmar and rayn all have good chances of flipping scum and maybe koshi and maybe chez but maybe not for #reasons and MZ is someone no one is talking about and Iam may be right on acro which gives me what? 8? So I'm wrong somewhere lol ><
On March 04 2019 06:52 Damdred wrote: @sen,
I wanted to give your post a response that was not based on my feeling or tone.
So here we go,
The first thing I will point to is meta for LS, generally speaking he gives a good bit of town reads that seem flimsy early and he always seems to be noncommittal early. This is based off of meta and just not this game precisely. I do not think that this is a good point to have against him, he is always flip floppy on reads and super paranoid.
However there is a great point that his reads lack many scumspects or anything revolving actual verifiable reads that say x is scum.
He also is not as helpful this game as he generally would be, q lot of time he would dig in past games to figure out if player x does x or y.
There is also the point of his weak rage, seemed to be under almost no pressure but this is a bull tell he generally only goes it as town but he broke this as scum years ago so is not something to fall back on.
I think, that there is a chance that he is scum and you are correct Sen just based off the laziness and the lack of discernable scum reads that he is not pushing.
However I do not think hes the best lynch today. But you did lit together a good case.
They quite literally think the opposite. Prepare to die Palmar.
By the way:
Holyflare knows me mistaking earlier positions of rsoultin and Damdred from here:
On March 02 2019 10:27 Damdred wrote: LS is town, that is all.
More when I get home and find a town circle to kill from within.
Not sure if this makes you town or just stating the obvious lol
and not realizing they had changed their view, is actually not scummy at all. It simply means I haven't read or followed every post in the thread. I'm just as likely to make that mistake as town and scum, and again, HF is perfectly aware of this.
I'm like 90% sure he's just posturing, but in case he is not, if something like this is what he justifies lynching me on, that's only mafia HF play.
On March 05 2019 00:44 WaveofShadow wrote: Like in HF's head: 'behold! I am scum leader palmar and I want all you lesser scums all to vote for me so I can waste the mayor lunch! Bwahahaha!'
Wave/mocsta/ls/chezinu/mz- 'yes sir'
i did mean you were scum when i said you made an awful bad post earlier. however i love this post and some others today have been good so i no longer think scum
actually i take this back. it made me laugh but why would mafia ever ever want to install a town!palmar as a mayor? this does not help wave’s logic, but i suppose mafia do not want town!HF as mayor either, and his wagon is IMO scummier than palmar’s. but forget those two, iamp’s wagon is all town except maybe damdy or rayn.
Who on it is scummier than Palmar's? Imo it's incredibly clean.
On March 05 2019 01:46 iamperfection wrote: Vivax is joking I mean I would probably not want to open the Pandora's box of what alakslam might be thinking
Oh yeah here it is we comprehend one another equally
On March 05 2019 01:39 Vivax wrote: Lynch conversion and mayor Sentinel I say
Whoa, sent for mayor? Has he even campaigned?
why is vivax nominating someone who has not campaigned more surprising to you than vivax nominating someone with the filter of sentinel?
Has he even;
Refers to minimal qualification of importance.
Example: “has he even driven a car before?”
Doesn’t mean experience driving a car is more important a qualification for piloting an aircraft carrier.
not following what you mean by this. did you interpret vivax as meaning “vote sentinel for mayor”? (though i see now that he meant something slightly different.) and if so i still don’t see why sent not campaigning for mayor makes the idea of nominating him so radical
The level of incomprehension. . .
I am highlighting how LITTLE sent has done to be worth electing since I also MISUNDERSTOOD Vivax by pointing out that sent HAS NOT EVEN campaigned, LET ALONE done something worthy of election!
i.e. YOU DONT PUT SOMEONE WHO CANT DRIVE AT THE HELM OF A CV!
Lol.
Since I misunderstood Vivax to begin with, this is MOOT! But man alive people wonder why i went insane with my chupazi shit up in here.
On March 05 2019 02:14 Acrofales wrote: I might secretly shank oats if we don't lynch him. But I'm running on the campaign that I'll shank blazinghand.
On March 05 2019 01:39 Vivax wrote: Lynch conversion and mayor Sentinel I say
Whoa, sent for mayor? Has he even campaigned?
why is vivax nominating someone who has not campaigned more surprising to you than vivax nominating someone with the filter of sentinel?
Has he even;
Refers to minimal qualification of importance.
Example: “has he even driven a car before?”
Doesn’t mean experience driving a car is more important a qualification for piloting an aircraft carrier.
not following what you mean by this. did you interpret vivax as meaning “vote sentinel for mayor”? (though i see now that he meant something slightly different.) and if so i still don’t see why sent not campaigning for mayor makes the idea of nominating him so radical
The level of incomprehension. . .
I am highlighting how LITTLE sent has done to be worth electing since I also MISUNDERSTOOD Vivax by pointing out that sent HAS NOT EVEN campaigned, LET ALONE done something worthy of election!
i.e. YOU DONT PUT SOMEONE WHO CANT DRIVE AT THE HELM OF A CV!
Lol.
Since I misunderstood Vivax to begin with, this is MOOT! But man alive people wonder why i went insane with my chupazi shit up in here.
it just seems strange to me that you questioned the fact that he has not campaigned instead of questioning whether he is town, competent, etc. i don’t think your reaction is moot although i do realize that vivax meant something different.
On March 05 2019 01:39 Vivax wrote: Lynch conversion and mayor Sentinel I say
Whoa, sent for mayor? Has he even campaigned?
why is vivax nominating someone who has not campaigned more surprising to you than vivax nominating someone with the filter of sentinel?
Has he even;
Refers to minimal qualification of importance.
Example: “has he even driven a car before?”
Doesn’t mean experience driving a car is more important a qualification for piloting an aircraft carrier.
not following what you mean by this. did you interpret vivax as meaning “vote sentinel for mayor”? (though i see now that he meant something slightly different.) and if so i still don’t see why sent not campaigning for mayor makes the idea of nominating him so radical
The level of incomprehension. . .
I am highlighting how LITTLE sent has done to be worth electing since I also MISUNDERSTOOD Vivax by pointing out that sent HAS NOT EVEN campaigned, LET ALONE done something worthy of election!
i.e. YOU DONT PUT SOMEONE WHO CANT DRIVE AT THE HELM OF A CV!
Lol.
Since I misunderstood Vivax to begin with, this is MOOT! But man alive people wonder why i went insane with my chupazi shit up in here.
it just seems strange to me that you questioned the fact that he has not campaigned instead of questioning whether he is town, competent, etc. i don’t think your reaction is moot although i do realize that vivax meant something different.
On March 05 2019 02:33 Fecalfeast wrote: I am working and decided not to finish reading the thread. I'll be home about 3 hrs before deadline and try to check in on my breaks. Anyone have a quick recap for me?
On March 05 2019 03:00 Trfel wrote: Was making a list post but I don't like Fecalfeast, thoughts?
FecalFeast - Perfect example of being present and being suspicious of people while not actually pushing anything. This post in particular. But throughout his play, being suspicious of general thread suspects without actually showing investment in that, all he cares about doing is asking to be mayor despite his only mayoral vote being himself.
On March 05 2019 03:42 iamperfection wrote: This ninja vote by slam bothers me because I don't know what to make of it
It’s due to voting analysis. HF doing a very scummy thing there.
Hear ye, one and all.
I AM UNCANNY.
I make weird prophecies that I loudly announce and draw attention to. They are the ones that fail.
But don’t disregard me for all that. All the could have been avoided.
What I do quietly, I do as an analogue for my real life. And there, I am quite capable.
Notice I ninja voted to make Palmar the mayor, and to lynch
...
Ok never mind who I wanted to lynch. CONVERSION WAS SCUMMY OK GIVE ME A BREAK.
I wasn’t sure if HF was scum. I am very careful.
But now, we all can see it. He is capable of being wrong, yes, but I saw something he cannot prevent or foresee himself doing while scum. Scum players almost always, without fail, do this. And I cannot say. Every time I reveal a prophecy and glory in it, it fails. Such is the curse of Alakaslam. Therefore, look to the hidden word to find the quiet genius.
TL, TBSI;DR: I am more badass than you all give me credit for and recommend you look at my subtleties because most of my mafia fun comes from trolling- so what I say rarely matters but what I DO, does. So watch what I DO, and act on THAT.
On March 05 2019 10:09 Acrofales wrote: Man. This is gonna be a boring few days. We lynch sentinel and wiggles. After that we need to switch our brains back on.
On March 05 2019 09:47 Holyflare wrote: Think of the town cred I could pull having a change of heart and coming out with some bs reason to scum read a million other people.
On March 05 2019 10:26 Holyflare wrote: I mean, you can all criticise all you want but not one of you even argued with my scum read (no, yelling it's stupid doesn't count) on Palmar or the points I laid out
Quite true.
They way most people are seeing you as scum is not the same way I do.
It is indefensible. Because it is unspoken. It need not be spoken.
For I have said enough about it, and my influence is so small that to speak of it would actually work against me, in all likelihood.
On March 05 2019 10:21 Ace wrote: Well that was terrible.
@Trfel: Really wish you claimed :'(. GG tho dude/dudette.
There are no mafia doctors so vigis can shoot Holyflare at will. If he somehow does not die tonight he is an auto-lynch tomorrow.
Earlier in the thread when I was talking to HF and Wiggles, I was alluding to the fact that Hf or Palmar have to stick to their plan on the lynch (Sentinel). It would take a very convincing reason to lynch someone else. For all his talk, Palmar never came across as a strong scum read. HF lynching him instead of Sentinel or even BH means he has to die. He did not stick to his guns and did not have good reason to lynch Palmar.
side note:Would have been funny (and rage inducing) if Trfel flipped Cop and Palmar flipped back up Cop.
Anyway, we kill HF asap. No fucking around.
What is this? Even I know hf stuck to his guns he wan ted to lynch palm for a long time no?
Him wanting to lynch Palmar =/= good reason to switch.
I gave you a good reason to switch. I just don’t do so loudly.
im town reading you for this post. sentinal bh seem like locks honestly. I feel like bh wouldnt play this way as town and trying the too scummy to be scum strategy. He mods hundreds of games but decides to ruin game for his own town alignment? nah also he was the counter wagon to trfel and mafia usually defends him here.
Rstoulin thought tref was scummy but ended on blazinghand so she might not be scum.
other 3 ya
I find that actually more likely to be scum motivated
I'm here but 1) haven't read the first 100 pages and will not do so 2) most of the town incorrectly believes I'm scum and is making bad bus analysis in that assumption 3) and also most of the town, including the mayor, decided not to lynch me 4) i am also only here via phone
Other than that I'm ready to chat
BH I think you can still do some good, the early shit was shit.
You can work with flips, voting analysis, other stuff.
You’ve sufficiently been town for us, I think. Stop martyring.
On March 05 2019 04:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What's with the BH train? If you want to kill a hardcore lurker like that why not use the mayor lynch? I don't see the benefit
On March 05 2019 06:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I'll consolidate onto trfel, feels better than Conv to me right now. [...]
1) Places non-committal scum read on BH 2) Is an afford to derail BH lynch (who is certainly not known as a hardcore lurker..) 3) No mayor candidate was advocating a BH mayor snipe -> i.e. is guranteed to fall upon deaf ears and receive no traction
I also note that Wiggles filter indicates he scum reads Conversion, but instantly drops this for the thread popular Trfel when it comes to saving BH. Overall, extremely hedged posting and likely mafia (alongside with BH)
On March 05 2019 01:44 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Managed to skim the thread before work. I like the Conversion case better than Acro and Oats right now for a D1 lynch. Missed the asking for permission angle the first time through, but even the recent stuff is weirdly fixated on MZ. Tunnel tunnel tunnel [...]
Preflip association not a great call, but I'll allow it because we need the flip regardless
Associative tells on unflipped players, bus analysis assuming I am scum, etx - vigi, please kill me or we'll have mistaken analysis all day D2
Yes plz. As for wiggles I haven't read him yet. I'll get there eventually.
Once again though, how the FUCK in a game with as many players as we have with a bunch of good policy/low count lynched did we lynch the fucking town leader?
Just... Fucking how?
I still can't decide if I'm angry or just think it's hilarious. I guess I haven't been too invested so I'm indirectly to blame, but in games like this I never have a primary town voice over the palmars/Marvs/hokyfkares/rayns
Most of us never do, and never will.
You have to be right, but you also have to be eloquent, a lot.
Give up one of these and it won’t happen. And you have to make a first impression.
But it’s not all bad, being “not one of those guys”. There is a sort of freedom, and it lies on you to decide which one is right with your vote. Because they rarely agree.
On March 05 2019 12:23 WaveofShadow wrote: Anyway, as much as tooting my own horn is super fun (man I was a goddamn all-star scum player---I think my winrate might have been better than HFs)---
I want to make this clear before I post a little on rsoul We are lynching ONLY HF OR BH tomorrow. The game can't proceed properly until that's done. Of those two, I'd rather HF die. Not sure if for personal/fun reasons or not, but whateva. I will not be pushing anyone else actively.
On March 05 2019 13:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I'm not generally a reactive or emotive poster like some others here. It feels awkward and forced to me over text
Idk. I just react because I don’t have the time to come up with my own things that often. And usually when I do, people misunderstand what I am saying on such a basic level that it is as if I am speaking in English, but using Hangul like 티수 소 피포 스틸 노 밧 돈 은덧댄다.
On March 05 2019 13:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I'm not generally a reactive or emotive poster like some others here. It feels awkward and forced to me over text
Idk. I just react because I don’t have the time to come up with my own things that often. And usually when I do, people misunderstand what I am saying on such a basic level that it is as if I am speaking in English, but using Hangul like 티수 소 피포 스틸 노 밧 돈 은덧댄다.
Realized it is the exact inverse of this.
They understand my words perfectly fine but the meaning is utterly changed, often comically to the exact opposite of my intent. See the thing where I had to tell someone I was against sent being elected mayor as so outlandish an idea that the man hadn’t even tried to attain it himself- was instead interpreted as “he shouldn’t be mayor because he didn’t run”.
On March 05 2019 14:30 Chezinu wrote: Guys.,. Do you all realize that we all are the brown... The hardest thing to do in this live is be good.
How can condemn someone for being evil when we ourselves are evil?
Because hypocrisy does not nullify a wrong; holding each other accountable is still a good action. We must be open to being corrected ourselves, and avoid sin where we are able
On March 05 2019 14:32 Chezinu wrote: There is one one who is good and that is God. No one, not even those who try to follow God are good. However, we are bless to have a God who loves us as if we are good despite our being evil. Even if we don't see Him, or feel Him. He loves us, not for who we are but for who He is.
On March 05 2019 14:34 Chezinu wrote: I realized that I am not a great detective and thought perhaps HF was a detective this game. So knowing that I was unworthy of such a title I called HF C. Hoping perhaps he could be the detective.
On March 05 2019 14:30 Chezinu wrote: Guys.,. Do you all realize that we all are the brown... The hardest thing to do in this live is be good.
How can condemn someone for being evil when we ourselves are evil?
Because hypocrisy does not nullify a wrong; holding each other accountable is still a good action. We must be open to being corrected ourselves, and avoid sin where we are able
On March 05 2019 15:13 Chezinu wrote: I pray to God that I would speak the truth. Lord open our eyes to your glory. Let us all see you highly lifted up. Exalted as our sovereign Lord. King above all kings. Maker and Ruler of all the universe. Let us become in awe of your majesty and glory. For only you are Holy and good. I thank you for loving us. We are evil and unholy, but you love us. God we need you. We need your Spirit. We need your love. You have made those who believe you clean, although in this world their feet will still get dirty. You have made us clean, though we still stumble in this world. You wash our dirty feet. Lord, please bath others and makes them clean. Continue to wash all of our feet. Even those you know who will turn their back on you. Clean your bride with your Word. For the day will come when the church (those you have brought to yourself) will become one with you in spirit. Just as you Lord are one with your Father and the Father in you. For you have prayer for us that believe in your message. For what you say will come to past. Praise the Lord! A prayer of a righteous man availeth much. There is only one righteous and that is You, my God, my Savior!!! You can in the flesh of man but overcame the flesh without sinning. You died for us. So that we appear before you as holy and righteous though we were unholy and unrighteous. MERCY AND GRACE!!! You are a God of Justice!! You are holy and righteous!!! You have punished evil by taking it upon yourself. You have loved your children as a righteous father. You have guided your sheep as the Good Shepard. You have ruled your people as the King of king. You have given life to your creation.
Holy Holy is the Lord God almighty. There is no one greater and no one stronger. No one wiser and no one more worthy.
...
Chezinu
When we WERE mafia together
... do you feel guilty again? I remember when we got talking about this we got lynched one after the other and lost XD
On March 05 2019 15:51 AMG wrote: 151 pages... you cannot be serious!
I started playing here nearly a decade ago under the name Adam4167, some of you ive played with, most of the rest Ive spectated games you were in.
Now, if someone could tell me on a scale of 1 to 10 the level of shit ive waded into, 1 being my socks would get wet and 10 being if i open my mouth I die of E.coli?
On March 06 2019 00:20 LightningStrike wrote: Slam since you are here how you reading Chez right now?
Look above your post
scumlean I guessing from that post you just reference?
Starting to
Our QT was all about Jesus, and we went and basically tried to confess to the thread for being mafia while simultaneously not playing against our wincon
On March 05 2019 16:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Whoever said Acrofales was trying to do something during EoD is completely wrong, he was never doing anything, that was just headless running from one place to another with no fucking direction.
Are you running aimlessly too? Who directs your path?
On March 05 2019 16:09 rsoultin wrote: if hf is mafia i'm not just dumb i'm like broccoli level iq -_- which may be the case but i don't want to live in that world
idk if bh is scum or not. i'm afraid he's town but i don't think it matters cause i think we need to know his alignment
as far as wave's comment, i wasn't waffling on palmar when i should have been cause i'm a baddy. i didn't like how he moved off of bh when i was thinking truffle was town cause i didn't want truffle to get lynched. i don't know how he interprets that as backing off my palmar read but tbh i don't think it matters cause wavering on palmar if i had done that wouldn't make me any less town anyway
ls is town. i want to bite his head off but he's town -_-
i think if we have a bh town flip people like onegu and rels need to get a really hard look, especially rels. and rayn might be town but i cba to look deeper right now and it'll just piss me off anyway
rsoultin,
How do you know someone's role in this game? How do you personally discern?
are you asking how i make reads, or...? cause if it's how i make reads it's more interaction/feels/experience based and kind of hard to describe in general terms. after flips i get better cause i can compare what people do to what they said and see if it lines up
I'm a reactionary reader. I get better reads on those I interact with.
On March 05 2019 16:39 Blazinghand wrote: Actually you know what, i'm going to analyze this game just ignoring everything that happened before I started martyring. All the interesting stuff has to do with the flips and wagons leading into the deadline, and I was around for that. since I'm getting viged, you can read this after I die and praise my wisdom.
On March 05 2019 16:38 rsoultin wrote: actually yeah i'm a numbnuts if bh is town like i suspect conv is probably never scum here anyway even though i'd rather have kept a truffle blue role or not lol >< i'm doing the stupid right now on not enough sleep. gonna shower and probably come back to all this later in the day
also, rayn, you may be right on mz being scum and sent being town and thus mz knowing sent's alignment, but i don't think the bolded sentence means anything if i'm understanding where you're going right? that's a pretty normal english construction
You mean it's a pretty normal english construction that he asks what Sentinel gains as town when he (Sentinel) doesn't know he is town? Damn your language...
On March 05 2019 16:38 rsoultin wrote: actually yeah i'm a numbnuts if bh is town like i suspect conv is probably never scum here anyway even though i'd rather have kept a truffle blue role or not lol >< i'm doing the stupid right now on not enough sleep. gonna shower and probably come back to all this later in the day
also, rayn, you may be right on mz being scum and sent being town and thus mz knowing sent's alignment, but i don't think the bolded sentence means anything if i'm understanding where you're going right? that's a pretty normal english construction
You mean it's a pretty normal english construction that he asks what Sentinel gains as town when he (Sentinel) doesn't know he is town? Damn your language...
lol >< no you're right and i'm braindead today carry on
Man alive no
Hijole in the very statement you mention braindeadedness it is perfectly normal I use that kind of construct all the time, but more lazily which is probably why I am so often misunderstood
On March 06 2019 02:23 Holyflare wrote: Alakaslam, if you have a sure fire scum read on me then I suggest you share with the thread. What benefit do you bring to anyone in the game sitting back posting videos and gloating when you have me "dead to rights"?
Why was your lynch vote moved to where it was?
You scum m8. And I don’t bring much whether I try hard or not.
On March 06 2019 02:23 Holyflare wrote: Alakaslam, if you have a sure fire scum read on me then I suggest you share with the thread. What benefit do you bring to anyone in the game sitting back posting videos and gloating when you have me "dead to rights"?
Why was your lynch vote moved to where it was?
You scum m8. And I don’t bring much whether I try hard or not.
On March 06 2019 02:23 Holyflare wrote: Alakaslam, if you have a sure fire scum read on me then I suggest you share with the thread. What benefit do you bring to anyone in the game sitting back posting videos and gloating when you have me "dead to rights"?
Why was your lynch vote moved to where it was?
You scum m8. And I don’t bring much whether I try hard or not.
On March 06 2019 02:23 Holyflare wrote: Alakaslam, if you have a sure fire scum read on me then I suggest you share with the thread. What benefit do you bring to anyone in the game sitting back posting videos and gloating when you have me "dead to rights"?
Why was your lynch vote moved to where it was?
You scum m8. And I don’t bring much whether I try hard or not.
which lynch vote? to bh?
Noooooo not that one.
Then enlighten us all...?
Nope! I’ve already stated why I can’t.
Then you're just flat out being useless then aren't you? What's the point of having a read and keeping it to yourself. I won't let myself get lynched so someone is going to have to shoot me, which would also be a waste because I can actually provide a lot of information by talking since everyone things I'm mafia anyway - even if on my buddies.
If you're talking about my vote on Exo I've already explained why I voted Exo and then already explained why I unvoted Exo. Now I want to also vote Exo again.
Much warmer! Well done- I expect nothing less of HF.
On March 06 2019 04:47 Holyflare wrote: Besides this isn't about me at all. I want Alakaslam to contribute because he's been severely lacking, hasn't really kept up his old persona in the slightest and keeps meandering through the thread stating he has a great read on me but not actually doing anything to let anybody know about it. Very shallow play and I'm not impressed by how he looks at the moment.
Dat low hanging fruit distraction
I am an ignoramus and am treated as such; I can utilize even this to my advantage.
On March 06 2019 05:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Are you really reiterating something I've been off of since 2 days ago? K rsoul, good to see youre nailing your own coffin. Saves me the work.
On March 06 2019 04:01 rsoultin wrote: Also, for the record, though I'm mocking the auto-lynch mindset perpetuated by people who can't think for themselves, a BH flip is still best for everyone and 100% should be facilitated before day phase so the idiots can have a chance to check their idiocy. Not that I'm holding my breath.
Yes this is the 100% correct vigi shot. Everyone can lynch holyflare tomorrow but always shoot BH.
READING COMPREHENSION EXISTS <3
Is this sarcasm? Did i understand something wrong?
no it wasn't sarcasm
+1
not everyone is gifted with the reading comprehension
On March 06 2019 05:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Are you really reiterating something I've been off of since 2 days ago? K rsoul, good to see youre nailing your own coffin. Saves me the work.
No I'm literally answering the question you asked a few hours ago when I wasn't here ^^ Apparently you don't see the connection.
Oh I see you're answering a question I directed at nobody, and to quite you yourself, reading comprehension.
I don't say it had anything to do with you saying 'not like', I say it's because you don't elaborate.
Keep reading though. It gets juicy. I think you'll like it.
On March 06 2019 05:23 sicklucker wrote: If bh flips town maybe i can be convince to not kill hf. But meh id still do what he did as mafia regardless of that alignment
Wait what? How? What could BH flip that would change your mind on HF?
On March 06 2019 05:34 sicklucker wrote: Ya hf who would you kill. You know i love wifmo battles. It j Helps you no matter what ill wigmo myself to death
nobody because everyone is essentially a free mislynch with how bad they being
On March 06 2019 05:31 WaveofShadow wrote: And, like HF, I refuse to believe you are that terrible. You are one of very few people who have flat out caught me as scum. In your damn signature, a quote from Lord Marvellosity himself: "rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
That isn't you in this game.
Lol I still don't know what game you're referring to ><
Look, I'm not going to sit here and pretend to you or anyone that my read wasn't much more than feels cause it wasn't. Palmar wasn't engaged in the thread the way I associate with a town Palmar and the one I'm familiar with is the one who doesn't care and kinda does tone things with early posts and stuff. So you add that in with what I've already said and some of his reads particularly the one on me like somehow my LS read has any bearing on my alignment and yes...then throw in other people also thinking he's scum (HF-who I did and still do have as one of my top townreads) and that's where I land.
you see, I do struggle with this.
the mafia motivation for killing Palmar is so huge and HF has the balls. That alone should remove him from being a top townread even if you townread him for other reasons.
I will never claim that I can't be wrong on HF's alignment. But I can't remember the last time we've been opposite alignments and we haven't gotten into a massive drawn-out shitfight. Years. He has had multiple opportunities to just bury people and shit up the thread arguing till he's blue in the face and he de-escalates even when others continue to throw shit. The rayn episode is the one that comes most readily to mind.
You tell me but Tina don't you think he'd lynch Palmar as scum? Yes. Of course I know he's that brazen. Which to me brings lynching Palmar and Palmar flipping green to a flat null. I don't really understand why people think that Palmar being town makes HF scum. My read is based on everything else not someone thinking the same person I thought was scum was scum and being wrong.
Like is there some reason that you think HF wouldn't do that as town that makes the flip indicative of alignment?
On March 06 2019 05:52 Holyflare wrote: Imagine voting Donald Trump because he said he'd build a wall and then getting angry when he tries to build a wall.
Well this is most of the nation right now actually
On March 06 2019 05:52 Holyflare wrote: Imagine voting Donald Trump because he said he'd build a wall and then getting angry when he tries to build a wall.
ROFL >< I almost used this very analogy. So many people were like 'but we didn't think he meant it literally' -snorts-
TINA YOU’RE ACTUALLY HERE TO SEE THA-
Oh you aren’t
Yeah, back here this is exactly what is actually happening. People voted trump thinking he was unserious
On March 06 2019 05:52 LightningStrike wrote: Guys we lynching HF because of him killing Palmar over BH who was the opposite wagon of Tfrel was so antitown that I don't think he would do that as Town in that situation. I don't think a town HF is that big of an idiot to use the mayor lynch on a very active Palmar like that.
Also his slipperiness on why he did this. It's not just that he promised, as he now claims, he was previously saying he got caught off guard and couldn't change it in time.
On March 06 2019 05:52 Holyflare wrote: Imagine voting Donald Trump because he said he'd build a wall and then getting angry when he tries to build a wall.
bad analogy as it would 100% be a good idea to get rid of him
On March 06 2019 04:47 Holyflare wrote: Besides this isn't about me at all. I want Alakaslam to contribute because he's been severely lacking, hasn't really kept up his old persona in the slightest and keeps meandering through the thread stating he has a great read on me but not actually doing anything to let anybody know about it. Very shallow play and I'm not impressed by how he looks at the moment.
Dat low hanging fruit distraction
I am an ignoramus and am treated as such; I can utilize even this to my advantage.
Yes indeed
I don't think you're stupid in the slightest. I want your input because:
A) I don't think you've done much.
B) You have a read on me which is factually incorrect but you're refusing to elaborate on it to anyone else in the game properly which from my perspective means you are afraid to do so because of the repercussions.
What better way to get your perspective on the game and where your head is at than asking you forthrightly to explain yourself? I want you to tell me who you think is mafia, excluding me, and why.
Ehh, excluding you?
Well
So Marv was someone else earlier. That dude was scummy, but Marv isn’t. So now I’m null on what was my vote last cycle
However, I have pointed out that the only time I have seen Chezinu witnessing in the thread was when we were holy rollers in the QT
So
Yeah
There’s also
Dammit who was it. Someone was just kinda floating, I think it was Meapak? I can’t remember that one.
Oats been weird, but I no longer think it is AI. He is null, so damn, who do I think is scum?
On March 06 2019 06:58 Koshi wrote: I am still in depression. Not reading much. Almost nothing. Sometimes some posts. It doesnt do anything. Life is bad.
On March 06 2019 07:23 Blazinghand wrote: I 💯% promise to do zero work, reading, etc if I live through the night, I will just fuck around all day tomorrow. This burst of effort was temporary. Kill me, vigi, or your mistake will haunt you. Kill me! Kill me!
On March 05 2019 01:01 kitaman27 wrote: In case there was any confusion regarding the mechanics of the mayor lynch, the night post will be delayed until the mayor submits their lynch. If the leading candidates do not anticipate being around for the deadline and want to submit their lynch via PM ahead of time, that is fine. The game will be paused until the mayor lynch has been submitted and then the night post will be posted, revealing the alignments and roles of both lynched players.
Holyflare where in this does it say that you can’t change your lynch
On March 06 2019 09:41 Holyflare wrote: If you can find me a game where I haven't done the exact same thing at night as town then you can have your victory BH.
On March 06 2019 11:16 Fecalfeast wrote: also I think slam is mafia too
I just made a case on him being mafia too?????
Oh! you have stances! Cool. Well he did state if he was mafia that getting rid of me would be a bad idea since it would make him vulnerable to getting lynched. He said this indirectly. You know how the trolls speak in this game.
Thank you far all the love so far this game. I know there is a particular individual out there who did not see me as the town that I truly am. Fortunately, she has started to speak with me not as if I was not another monster out there in this town, but as character to whom she can answer questions and even ask questions towards. It was beautiful. It was all you guys out there that turned her around! Thank you for saving me and allowing me troll freely. I shall troll better and bettter. I will practice my antics to make you guys proud!!!
On March 02 2019 16:59 Tubesock wrote: I like Chez because he’s entertaining.
I would love for a couple things in this game to be true. We RNG lynch Blazinghand, and that Chezinu hasn’t played with LightningStrike and falls to the rule of LS. Although that’s just the troll in me. I think Chez and LS are townie.
On March 02 2019 14:55 Tictock wrote: I dunno... This Chez does not seem to be having fun. I don't know if I like this Chez.
Save the Chez?
Sure Save the Chez, but prob not Chez for Pres
You just felt like you were forcing youself to do the letter stuff, even when what you were posting didn't fit it. I would probably be calling you mafia if you were still at it.
On March 02 2019 20:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote: As I said before. I have night continental shifts so my activity this weekend will be sporadic.
Current reads that matter.
Rsoultin Iamperfection
Chezinu
Now to go into the why.
Iamperfection has literally done nothing so far this game thus far. He accused chez for posting to post while providing next to - content in his own posts. The one post he makes where he outlines a "read" he doesn't go into it at all then back burners it to harass someone for not playing at the level he wants. I also hate people who talk about what any power role should do day 1 (actively talking about vig shots) as that leads to the potential of power roles outing themself to be sniped by mafia.
Rsoultin. The guy accuses a player (Chezinu) of posting fluff rp posts that provide no content. This post specifically screams at every core of my being.
On March 02 2019 20:27 rsoultin wrote: Pft. Chez was just such a non-entity in his roleplay posts. I don't care about the roleplay. It's just if he's engaged enough in the thread to roleplay, and also to try to communicate with other players and make comments about the game, I expect something shiny and smart from him. It doesn't have to be new.
But what he was giving were non-committal turds and I don't even know what that spoilered lynch list or ls emoticon thing was about.
Chezinu is a known quantity to RP in mafia games. Hes literally done it in some capacity in basically every game I can remember playing in with him. He always provides some form of content in said posts. He has literally given reads on players, and has been providing actual content without RP for a fucking change. Chez has clearly been doing more to push some form of conversation on players to force them to voice opinions. Clearly done more to help this game than most to this point.
Yes the guy has had some shit posts, but hes also playing the game seriously.
On March 02 2019 23:21 Grackaroni wrote: I feel confident in this so far: Vivax Rayn Jockmcplop
I think that Rayn is reading MZ's posts wrong but I believe that he's actually trying to reason out MZ's motivations for the posts that he makes. I don't think MZ's posts have been scummy.
I think Vivax's posts are very very likely to come from town Vivax.
There is one person that I have a gut feeling is scum but it's not worth getting into yet and I want to see more posts.
is that me? what's the point of hiding the name?
On March 02 2019 21:26 rsoultin wrote:
On March 02 2019 21:22 Vivax wrote:
On March 02 2019 21:11 rsoultin wrote:
On March 02 2019 21:02 Vivax wrote:
On March 02 2019 20:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 02 2019 20:51 Vivax wrote: @ Rayn
MZ said explicitly that he's accepting convs scum claim as a joke, but he wanted to know why he put in those names anyway.
Why is that a reason for you to question his motives?
And why does Conversion instantly get on the defensive about it when MZ said it isn't a reason to scumread him?
Read again, MZ never said Conversion isn't mafia. He said quite the opposite, and i understood perfectly what Conversion was pushing him about. That being said i think that particular answer later on where he explains his stance on Conversion can come easily come from either town or scum, which is why i dropped the conversation about it.
MZ was poking him about it as he said himself and that's how I was reading the entire thing. It's just you and conversion that seemingly are construing it as a scumread.
riddle me this: if you believe me to be mafia, in what world would my first post in a rather dull thread be exposing any of my teammates? if you were to believe I was mafia, as a townie you wouldn't care about my list as you'd have to believe I'm playing against mafia win condition by unnecessarily exposing my teammates for a joke post that wasn't even funny
if you believe I am town, then the order doesn't matter cause I'm just making a dumb joke
And this quote from Conversion isn't something a townie would ever write.
"Hey I made a joke post about me being mafia. Let me explain why if it weren't a joke post, it wouldn't make me mafia"
Okay, you can be in my non-lynch pile. This feels like a vivaxy thing to focus on though I can't say I read his post the same way you do. I'd actually call his post a potential strawman argument.
"Why did you pick those names?" "Why do you care why I picked those names? It's a joke."
I agree with MP that names come from somewhere, joke or not -shrugs-
That's what I'd rather expect from a townie making a joke. And not try to use your joke post in an argumentation for you not being mafia.
Screaming agreement with you there. It's just I don't read the intention behind Conversion's posting as trying to make an argument that makes him not mafia? And since neither of us are him I don't know how we can know his intent for sure :/
ok this is cool, but if you're in agreement with Vivax, do you still want to lynch Chezinu over me? your trail is kind of soft here, unlike Vivax who is hard for "Conversion is mafia"
On March 02 2019 21:59 Trfel wrote: I actually kinda want to lynch sicklucker.
He's currently contributed almost no reads (if I recall correctly, dislike of Acrofales and a town-to-meh read on rsoultin). Yet he took the time to defend himself verbosely from the slightest suspicion of rsoultin, which feels highly overdefensive, but his argument was defending his townread of rsoultin while his read, just previously posted, seemed far less committed:
On March 02 2019 17:08 sicklucker wrote: rsoultin is town dawg. maybe. na. maybe. na
Does that make sense? It doesn't look like he's trying to find mafia, just trying to exist.
There's a ton of people doing this in my perspective, so could you go a little deeper in explaining why you picked sicklucker?
Still pushing for a Chez lynch.
I'm in agreement with Vivax in theory that someone using that type of joke post to say they're town is scummy. And disagree that's what you were doing. Don't have enough to go on to have a strong read on you.
Please why would you ever lynch Chez D1. He's so nice to have around and I think it would make him very very sad.
On March 05 2019 12:48 WaveofShadow wrote: LOL I just watched that Chez why you are the goddamn greatest
On March 04 2019 07:08 Grackaroni wrote: I've never seen an angry Chez
On March 03 2019 06:44 sicklucker wrote: Chez hell no chez must not go
Guys remember that time when the mafia said they loved me?!??!
LOLOLOLLOL
I didn’t want you to die either though
You make it fun man
But
You were speaking of the savior that will always make me think you feel guilty brother lol
This took longer than I thought, so there nicely summarised conclusion. Just a stream of consciousness. This feels good to me, in particular the 180 shift in mindset to HF at the EoD1.
On March 03 2019 02:10 Ace wrote: I think we should nominate someone who has barely posted yet as Mayor. There are a lot of thoughts already posted that could help us draw conclusions based on conversations.
Giving a semi-lurking/lurking player lynch power and forcing them into the game seems like a good move to me. So a player like Tumblewood or tubesock should be nominated (they've barely posted from a cursory filter check).
On March 03 2019 02:13 iamperfection wrote: sounds like a retarded plan to me.
On March 03 2019 03:26 Ace wrote: Why
- Interesting take on mayor. Likely stirring; however in my opinion it can be a constructive tool. I would definitely do stuff like this in real life. Could also be laying foundations to use as a platform to push himself.
On March 03 2019 02:10 Ace wrote: I think we should nominate someone who has barely posted yet as Mayor. There are a lot of thoughts already posted that could help us draw conclusions based on conversations.
Giving a semi-lurking/lurking player lynch power and forcing them into the game seems like a good move to me. So a player like Tumblewood or tubesock should be nominated (they've barely posted from a cursory filter check).
sounds like a retarded plan to me.
Why
You want to give a power to a player who you have no idea who is town or scum.
And if the player is bad they might do something stupid if they are town. The goal is to lynch scum nothing more.
Only some of us started this game knowing who is town so that premise is moot. I think you should give those players a chance to reveal their motives. You've been asking people about reads already - this idea jives right along with where you supposedly want to go.
If the player is bad, then say so and we'll pick a better person with the potential to positively contribute.
On March 04 2019 00:10 Vivax wrote: HF are you jealous of Palmar or something. Let him be the mayor, you should know yourself enough to know that you act upon the weirdest impulses at EoDs.
Not jealous, no. I see the same guy advocating the same lynch as me yet people jumping on his bandwagon and citing that the reason they're doing it is that they want sentinel mayor lynched like it's some revelation that only Palmar has brought to the thread. That's suspicious.
If you think mafia is involved in Palmar’s actions, then why have your own not changed? Why are you ok with pushing an agenda mafia is also ok putting forth?
Because I'd rather get rid of cheats and if that means siding with mafia then so be it.
Its interesting, because on one hand, you can argue its a "pro-town" move as his mayor idea received no traction, nor did it stimulate discussion. On the other hand, the idea is severed as if there was no connection to it in the first place; which is dissonant with the previous posts advocating it is pro-town.
People play differently, but I would have expected some sort of acknowledgement that it failed.
On March 04 2019 02:21 Ace wrote: BTW, if Sentinel doesn't read his role PM leave him for the Mayor Lynch and unvote him in the voting thread. Nezt best suspects should be considered instead. I actually think there is merit to HF stating people voting for Palmar over him when they have similar ideas on who to lunch (Sentinel).
On March 04 2019 02:23 Ace wrote: Uhhh *lynch.
Basically if they have similar ideas on who should be lynched and HF came up with the idea first(not sure, have to re-read) then why is Palmar gaining more support than he/she is. Could be nothing but I think this is one of the few real "divisive" issues that can show scum motives that we've had so far.
Changes gears with the following: (1) Joins what I deem to be thread sentiment by confirming support to mayor policy lynch on Sentintel. (2) Sheeps HF argument that whoever wanted to mayor lynch Sentinel first should be mayor (3) Suggests there could be scum motivation between choosing HF or Palmar
As a post in isolation, this reads OK/pro-town in that its sheeping thread sentiment with a hint towards scum hunting motivation.
However, what actual scum motive or merit is there to choosing HF>Palmar if both want to lynch Sentintel and HF said it first? Mayor candidate is equally a popularity contest, and this is even moreso if both want to lynch Sentintel.
The more I think about this post, the more I think this is a weird mindset for a townie. Ace votes HF due to humour, but agrees that whoever suggested Sentinel first, should be mayor. Given, this could actually be Palmar (as he admits), it indicates a total lack of care for both who is elected mayor, and the content within this post. I acknowledge 24hrs has passed since he proposed his mayor idea; however, there seems to be a full detactment from that idea. There is only focus on the mayor candidate, and who is voting them.
Critically, no information is given on who Ace will swing his lynch vote towards. This one in particular is peculiar, and again, indicating a token level of care for the cycle.
On March 04 2019 02:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote: HF came up with the idea first, but I'm not sure whether I trust HF more to follow through compared to Palmar, especially if HF starts coming up with more cases. Might be the case that they deviate at the last minute and cause a bunch of chaos. In that sense, I like Palmar for mayor because he's colder.
Wiggles re-read what you wrote here and think about what a non-Sentinel lynch could reveal. I think we're on somewhat similar terms of thinking here.
@Acrofales: *nod*.
Wiggles is good here and points out one of the issues with Ace supporting the Mayor the first onto Sentinel idea. I think this is very WIFOM-y to suggest. I think everyone knows that HF is capable of swapping his mayor vote at EoD and justifying it. So it doesn't reveal anywhere near is hinted.
On March 04 2019 02:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote: HF came up with the idea first, but I'm not sure whether I trust HF more to follow through compared to Palmar, especially if HF starts coming up with more cases. Might be the case that they deviate at the last minute and cause a bunch of chaos. In that sense, I like Palmar for mayor because he's colder.
My vote will never be on anyone other than Sentinel as mayor. If he claims a role pm being read then it will be on whoever is the second highest vote, as I've stated. I don't think I'm a "wild cannon" like you purport. More so Palmar will be just doing what he wants and that is far more detrimental when he self reportedly doesn't play weekends and has only really come up with a Sentinel policy lynch and some mediocre writings (although not awful to read, just no drive).
I really, really hope you and Wiggles are putting things together without it having to be explicitly stated 😁
So btw who is the case for second best vote?
More hinting at ?nothing? The question on the second highest vote is OK, as to me its unclear if HF means he will lynch the second biggest thread consensus wagon.
The thing is, why ask HF for this clarification? Is he preferring Sentinel to be lynch regardless of role PM confirmation? Is he concerned that HF may turn loose cannon and not follow through with the second highest vote? Is he seeking to know whoelse is on HF scum list? A
The thing is, I would be asking this to HF if i was concerned about him, because its indicating HF has lack of care in direction of the mayor lynch and would be following thread sentiment. My expectation is for Ace to follow this through. Again, who is Ace interested in placing his vote on? This all seems to be superficial/1-dimensional care for the game.
On March 04 2019 05:58 Rels wrote: I don't care who becomes mayor as long as he promises to follow the town consensus for his lynch. I voted rsoul but I'll switch to whoever is the leading vote near deadline if they make that promise
Town consensus is influenced by scum posts. Mayor shouldn't follow it to the tee. Mayor should be someone with their own ideas about who is likely scum while considering "the town's" opinions. We want a leader not a sheep 😁
Ace is talking mafia theory which I happen to agree with. However, I dont understand why he is suggesting this though, because its hypocritical with the position he has taken with HF. I also dont understand what that means for Aces mayor vote on HF if Sentinel role PM saga is resolved.
On March 04 2019 05:57 Grackaroni wrote: Also pretty dumb idea that I had, but this post is weird:
On March 03 2019 02:10 Ace wrote: I think we should nominate someone who has barely posted yet as Mayor. There are a lot of thoughts already posted that could help us draw conclusions based on conversations.
Giving a semi-lurking/lurking player lynch power and forcing them into the game seems like a good move to me. So a player like Tumblewood or tubesock should be nominated (they've barely posted from a cursory filter check).
If Tumble/Tube are actually scum there is a non-trivial chance that he just wanted to slip in the names of teammates into a post.
I think you should ask on what premise would I want to skip scum mates into the post for Mayoral candidates and then avoid seriously pushing them.
WIFOM argument. Tone is indicative that the idea was "pro-town" yet all posts since dropping it are detached.
People play differently, when it comes to admitting an idea is sunk, so I will treat this as neutral.
On March 04 2019 05:58 Rels wrote: I don't care who becomes mayor as long as he promises to follow the town consensus for his lynch. I voted rsoul but I'll switch to whoever is the leading vote near deadline if they make that promise
Town consensus is influenced by scum posts. Mayor shouldn't follow it to the tee. Mayor should be someone with their own ideas about who is likely scum while considering "the town's" opinions. We want a leader not a sheep 😁
was your mayor plan a bait?
No. I wanted an issue to force strong opinions to hold players to. I just picked two players at random who didn't post a lot at the time.
Later on the HF/Palmar runs served that idea even better. Both seem headstrong, have the same "plan", and from what I can read command some sheep in this game. As a starting point I think that's pretty good.
This reads good at face value. I wouldnt classify his campaign for this mayor idea as creating an issue in the thread that required resolving.
I actually dont get his comment about the HF/Palmar. Where is the contemplation that this could be town vs town? I interpret this as one side is good, and the other is evil. -> i.e. It seems Ace is happy to pick one side of HF/Palmar and sit there.
On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question.
On March 04 2019 05:40 iamperfection wrote: i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow.
i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment
On March 04 2019 06:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote: see shit like this makes me still see you as mafia whereas your analysis post was one that was making me second guess my read -_-
On March 04 2019 06:12 Ace wrote: Awww shit it's ScumC0bbler 😁
Intent is unclear. I presume Ace reads iamp as town.
On March 05 2019 05:01 Ace wrote: @holyflare: just voted you for Mayor. I haven't fully caught up but I've been skim reading. Assuming you win the election your plan is what again? Just restate for clarity so I'm not confused or in case I missed any new developments.
This is acceptable because of possibility that Sentinel issue was resolved. However, I am not a fan, as it again is shedding no information on who Ace finds scummy. I get Ace doesn't need to share, but other than an ambiguous post to BC, it appears hes only interested in locking down a mayor candidate because of a policy lynch?
On March 05 2019 04:59 iamperfection wrote: Even you aren't this bad you have to be scum
On March 05 2019 04:59 Acrofales wrote:
On March 05 2019 04:52 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 05 2019 04:48 Trfel wrote: Voting Palmar for mayor because of all of the mayors' targets I want to see [UoN]Sentinel lynched most. Him having a townread on himself while claiming to have not read his role PM is super suspicious, moreso the more I think about it. Other than his huge list post he hasn't shown much thought at all, he's been just following the thread sentiment. His overall play makes his effort seem fabricated. A few reasons being quoting my reasoning in one area while highly scumreading me in another, and more importantly not seeming at all invested in his reads. If he put all that effort into reading and making his scumreads, he wouldn't not actually push those reads and follow the thread sentiment like a headless chicken. It feels forced, and like he's trying to use the effort to prove he's town.
##Mayor Palmar
Catching up but nearly everything in this post is either wrong or disingenuous
BH isn't in this game and unless this is some sort of last minute ploy to get him to come out, seeing as we've got 4 hours to deadline I don't approve of wasting a vote on a player who isn't even around to defend himself
Turns out he was here all along, lurking until his train took out from the station. If he flips scum, I'm looking at you next.
I just didn't expect this game to be so high in activity. I gave up on reading the thread and just did a couple searches of my name to see who was talking to me. Since I don't have an important role and I don't think I'll ever be able to catch up with all this, I figure I might as well be lynched first. Even if I'm spared, how will I catch up on these scores of pages? I don't know how I did this in the past, tbh.
Dang homie. I remember you being fun to play with. Don't give up so early ^_^
On March 05 2019 05:44 Ace wrote: Blazinghand don't get yourself lynched for bs. If you're town you just waste a day as there's no real discussion being generated regarding you, and it's an easy wagon for Scum to hop on.
On March 05 2019 05:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Ace why are you trying so hard for someone you don’t know the alignment of?
On March 05 2019 06:13 Ace wrote: Define trying
On March 05 2019 06:16 Oatsmaster wrote: Posting exclusively about how we shouldn’t lynch BH in your last like 5 posts
On March 05 2019 06:23 Ace wrote: Might want to read that carefully champ. I didn't address you or anyone else. Just Blazinghand.
In my opinion a null series of posts. I think this is more a personality thing, that some people gravitate towards outside of being mafia/town.
On March 05 2019 06:21 rsoultin wrote: Yeah I still think Palmar is likely to be scum. Have no issue whatsoever mayoring Iam and killing BH (though I'm thinking we're likely to see a town flip there tbh) but I'm not changing my vote if it makes Palmar mayor.
If you think BH is going to flip Town, then why not lynch Palmar?
This is really odd. I haven't checked, but I presume HF declared he is voting Palmar at this point. So ace who was advocating two headstrong people in Palmar/HF is good for town, seems pretty non-chalant about Palmar. It also gives some viability to Oats calling out Ace for calling about BH before. Does Ace think BH is town? Again, who is Ace scum read? Is it BC? There seems to be no care in the outcome of the game.
On March 05 2019 06:20 sicklucker wrote: na I need a confirmation too many rambos on this site who will shot vivax day 1 and waste are shit or something
Iamp is advocating to lynch bh constantly. It is our best bet.
Palmar tje fucker will shoot sentinel because palmar might be mafia.
Holyflare will shoot Palmar because town!HF is not really top tier and he doesnt know better.
Still no comprendo. Me no speak English.
He wants you to pad his ego.
Hey ace why koshi?
Random vote. Got a prod that I didn't have a vote on anyone. I'll change if Im around before EOD.
Is this a scumslip?
WHO PRODDED ACE THAT HE DIDNT HAVE A VOTE?!?!?!?
Again, why is there a total lack of care in the game to place a random vote on Koshi.. What about BC?
If ace flips red, Oats is confirmed green for picking this up and calling ace out on it.
On March 05 2019 07:51 Ace wrote: @Trfel you're close to being lynched by deadline. Claim.
Interesting post. Its a typical post from either alignment, but I find it interesting how clear, direct and engaged Ace seems about this. You could argue town!ace was trying to avoid a mislynch, but i could WIFOM counter that it was to discern if worthy of a bluesnipe; or that mafia!ace was bored and had a surge of excitement.
On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else.
Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you.
So no I am not down for lynching him -_-
If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison.
We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing.
So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game.
How about instead we look into this pool.
Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content
Iamperfection
I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it.
On March 04 2019 05:40 iamperfection wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question.
i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow.
i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment
Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum.
This post reeks. Why would you pop up near EOD to post this? You even segregated players and faked outrage. Heavy FoS here.
I dont like this post. Hes called BC scum twice, and kept a random vote on Koshi. No follow through to BC. Everything with Ace seems superficial / lack of care; otherthan when he demanded Trfel claim
On March 05 2019 08:58 Ace wrote: @BC: where did I say I want Palmar killed???
@trfel: I think you should seriously claim if lynch noise bout to drop.
Ace cant remember he asked Rsoultin about lynching palmar?
The trfel claim thing is odd to me, given, ace hasnt taken a position on trfel, nor is it clear who Ace sees as a viable alternative. Note, ace vote is still on Koshi, not BC who is his ONLY read.
You can argue taht its near EoD and panic modes, but the whole game, the only item ace has shown some direct interest in, is with trfel claiming. I dont find that townie.
On March 05 2019 10:21 Ace wrote: Well that was terrible.
@Trfel: Really wish you claimed :'(. GG tho dude/dudette.
There are no mafia doctors so vigis can shoot Holyflare at will. If he somehow does not die tonight he is an auto-lynch tomorrow.
Earlier in the thread when I was talking to HF and Wiggles, I was alluding to the fact that Hf or Palmar have to stick to their plan on the lynch (Sentinel). It would take a very convincing reason to lynch someone else. For all his talk, Palmar never came across as a strong scum read. HF lynching him instead of Sentinel or even BH means he has to die. He did not stick to his guns and did not have good reason to lynch Palmar.
side note:Would have been funny (and rage inducing) if Trfel flipped Cop and Palmar flipped back up Cop.
Anyway, we kill HF asap. No fucking around.
Interesting how Ace gears up instantly against HF. Ace is fleeting from moment to moment, no actual investment in the game.
Ace is mafia, im not going to bother reading into the Night1 posts.
On March 06 2019 21:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: I really think we should lynch Acrofales and i don't think anything is going to change my mind this phase anymore. He has now given himself a perfect narrative to do absolutely nothing than sound like a broken record repeating Holyflare is mafia because he did a stupid thing. The problem is if you don't kill him right now even if we lynch another mafia after N2 too many influential players are going to be dead and he will simply yell over anyone who's left and town and you will get irritated and lose interest to play. I know this because it's how i used to play as scum.
Here is a list why Acrofales is mafia:
He called out Grackaroni for making a useless list post and then continued doing nothing but listing lurkers / low volume posters for like next 24 hours. Neither of those are in itself necessarily scummy but saying someone is scum for doing a "universal mafia trait" -thing and then doing the same thing yourself is scummy as fuck and never comes from town, you'd have to be the biggest fucking hypocrite on earth to do that.
He scumread iamperfection for too long, he should know wayyyyy better regardless of the fact iamp made a case (that everyone should read) on him.
During the EoD he wasn't actively trying to do stuff, all he did was yelling and causing chaos. The most notable thing is he perfectly knew both Palmar's and Holyflare's mayor lynch choices don't align with his reads yet never ever during the whole time the debate was on tries he convince either of them to agree on a different lynch. Especially Palmar when they both share a scumread on Mocsta. There is simply no reason why a townie shouldn't care about this.
Fake anger after D1 flips and anger directed at wrong place. Tubesock had a good post about this.
After D1 Acrofales hasn't done a single productive thing. He has given himself a narrative in calling Holyflare mafia, hiding behind it, and doing nothing else. Even if he genuinely thinks Holyflare is mafia for doing a bad / stupid thing (which isn't even a good reason to scumread someone) it's simply pure mafia play to excuse yourself for not doing anything other than calling him mafia and everyone stupid and bad.
I encourage everyone to put your votes on Acrofales.
All these Lighntingstrikes and Alakaslams need to get their heads out of their asses. Wave if you want to spend the rest of the game with scum 5-years-ago-rayn then be my guest and have your vote on HF as policy but don't complain after the game, especially in case Acrofales at some point decides to call you mafia and wants to have you lynched. You will not like it a single bit. The truth is Holyflare executing his scumread Palmar, however bad or stupid you may think that is, isn't actually even close to a good reasoning of him being mafia.
I agree on the case on Ace. I had more thought on it and i think the fact that he was actually aware of Trfel (or at least looked like he is) suggests that it is more likely he did in fact know what Holyflare was about to do. I know a lot of people are saying Ace is too good as scum to do something like that but i don't believe that is the case. I think Ace decided he can use his activity as an excuse to "not know HF is gonna lynch Palmar", aka that he didn't see it, and did the numbers and thought he can get away with it. Also Ace is not like some fucking mafia god that doesn't make any mistakes. + Show Spoiler +
I caught him once because scum nuked meapak and i went to fakeclaim the nuke when for any player who doesn't have TMI that nuke never comes from mafia. Ace got confused and started gunning on me being mafia completely ignoring the fact before. And he couldn't even keep his story straight. So yeah, it's not like Ace alwasy does the most optimal play as mafia.
Mr.Wiggles is also mafia but that's for tomorrow.
That's quite a pretty narrative you've spun. It's all quite plausible, as I do believe we have a similar playstyle. It's also completely wrong, as I try to mimick my townplay as scum, and my townplay is what I'm doing right now. So if you build a meta case, at least do it properly.
It's blatantly false that I haven't done anything other than hound HF. I am principally hounding HF, because he needs to die. But saying I haven't done anything else since D1 is absurd. Did you even open my filter to write this case?
But more generally, something changed quite radically in how you're playing the game.
The truth is Holyflare executing his scumread Palmar, however bad or stupid you may think that is, isn't actually even close to a good reasoning of him being mafia.
What did you do with the rayn that absolutely always wanted to kill people for doing really dumb shit and would hound them relentlessly. This isn't even about your alignment, as you'd do it as both scum or town. The lack of you hounding people makes it seem like you're not invested at all in the game, which just makes me sad, as you made a case on me without actually puzzling over my filter. You just lazily threw together your "HF town" with "Acro tunneling HF" notes, and made a case for me to be scum, disregarding everything around it. You didn't even bother to double check your "HF town" read even after he shot Palmar and gloated about it.
On March 06 2019 22:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is there someone else that thinks this Vivax sheeping dead confirmed townies stinks?
HELL NO.
In fact I now have a lynch order assuming a scum flip of HF:
Rayn Tubesock
For me, that’s damn impressive. I never get this far in solid belief.
No, HF must die or we will argue about it until the cows come home, and your illogical defenses of it are suboptimal play regardless of your alignment.
On March 07 2019 04:44 Holyflare wrote: Even attempting to make a case on Slam is the most jarring and headache inducing thing I think I've ever done but I must persevere for the good of mankind.
For your own preservation you mean.
Continue to scrape the bottom of the barrel at the risk of getting splinters in your fingernails.
On March 07 2019 05:12 Holyflare wrote: You may not like me in this game, you may think I'm mafia, you may think I'm town. None of those things do I care about. This is the information you have that is the most important thing in this game:
You had a vote on a guy that literally trolls for a mafia career telling us to lynch him and the vote was so close somehow that our doctor got lynched instead of him. That leaves some serious question marks hovering around, we have absolutely imperfect information that can easily be solved by either BH playing a game of mafia or lynching him and figuring it out.
If you can think of any reason not to lynch this guy to further your information gain today please let me know. I'm mainly looking at:
These people didn't vote for BH (didn't even realise Koshi didn't, what a travesty). I think it's best to look into them first because BH would have been such an easy no qualms mislynch if he was town I don't think there should be any hesitation to lynch him from them. Which is suspicious as to why they did not and instead afkd on really pointless wagons or Trfel.
I was away for deadline serving sushi, but, nonetheless I hate that I am actually down with this plan
On March 07 2019 06:24 Tictock wrote: Sorry, never mind what I said about getting back to this game today.
Work wants me to come in and cover a shift.
Finally got some word about my roommate (hadn't really heard anything since "he is in the hospital, he is ok" from his fam), sounds like he is still suicidal and no clue when he will be released. Which tells me I am stuck in Limbo for a bit in this situation but probably need to break my lease and move out or somehow find a new roommate for a few months. Either way I think I need to take all the hours I can and go into work.
Sorry I have nothing related to the game, I probably should not have signed up with this shit going on.
On March 07 2019 06:24 Tictock wrote: Sorry, never mind what I said about getting back to this game today.
Work wants me to come in and cover a shift.
Finally got some word about my roommate (hadn't really heard anything since "he is in the hospital, he is ok" from his fam), sounds like he is still suicidal and no clue when he will be released. Which tells me I am stuck in Limbo for a bit in this situation but probably need to break my lease and move out or somehow find a new roommate for a few months. Either way I think I need to take all the hours I can and go into work.
Sorry I have nothing related to the game, I probably should not have signed up with this shit going on.
Mocosta I read the ace filter and your case, yet all I see in Ace is a player who started in with stuff that is NAI and then rapidly lost interest in the game.
On March 07 2019 11:29 Alakaslam wrote: His inconsistencies make sense in the context of their timings. He scumread BC, yes, but he also thought lynchin Palmar was a good idea too.
Morale to floor after that.
Im not following what you mean:
(1) He scumread BC before voting Koshi? yeah I don’t have an answer for that to be fair
On March 04 2019 06:12 Ace wrote: Awww shit it's ScumC0bbler 😁
On March 05 2019 05:43 Ace wrote: ##Vote:Koshi
(2) Where does he think lynching palmar is a good idea? yeah he does say it, I noticed that. At that time, what Palmar did was not looking good. Later, I believe Ace changed his mind like I did. So my memory serves me there.
Thanks for asking me to read Ace by the way. Jogged my memory quite well, I think I may be the most active player in the game, just lurking. I watched almost everything unfold thus far.
On March 05 2019 08:58 Ace wrote: @BC: where did I say I want Palmar killed???
(3) If he lost morale, why would he so invested to be caught up enough to comment on trfel? He didn’t lose morale until after the flip. You realize his comments are wise words and helpful, right?
On March 05 2019 08:58 Ace wrote: @trfel: I think you should seriously claim if lynch noise bout to drop.
hey. So I know I am bad with words. I am lazy, ok? Forgive me. But seriously, most of my issues are memory related and lack of willingness to learn how to play mafia well.
Please consider I may be able to clarify things if you see scum somewhere in the early lurkers. I can probably confirm as well as deny reads. Thanks.
in fact, there are just too many posts that show he isn't scum hunting. It's either a lax attempt to show what someone else did wrong, asking "what should we do now?" type questions, or just filler.
Outside of this, he killed Palmar. The entire reason behind my Day 1 post was to tie any mayor candidate to their lynch choice. It's not just that he didn't lynch Sentinel - if he had justifiable reasons then so be it. But he lynched Palmar and his reasoning rests on because he thought he was scum.
Seriously. This guy should be the obvious lynch. How many people really thought Palmar was scum? He just did it because he could.And even if you somehow don't believe he's Scum he is clearly a net negative for the Town. He literally has done nothing - and this is coming from a guy who's been afk, caught up on only 30 pages or so and sees the nonsense plain as day.
The nightkills - 3 dead. All Town. I refuse, literally refuse to think a vigilante shot any of them over Holyfield. Like it seems unfathomable that the targets would end up at Marv, Iamp, or Koshi (lol wut?). Especially with one being Vet and dying (maybe Rb + shot). If there's a third party out there, I think it goes without saying you should start shooting scum or clashing flips from now on
Lastly, I saw something about marv playing cop wrong. I actually think he made himself "obvious town" or whatever you want to call it and should have drawn night protection. Especially since he was a replacement with fresh eyes into the game. Maybe we have no more docs or the kill went through somehow. Either way I think it's worth backtracking him and iamps posts (-2 nightlife means very desperate kill) especially.
On March 07 2019 20:14 Holyflare wrote: I don't understand why anyone even thinks I'm mafia that would trade 1 for 1 with Palmar for absolutely no reason at all.
Then they make up some bs like they don't even remember how the d1 vote count went. There was no real vote count for 20 minutes after deadline.
U srs think this is what your goal looks like
You just think you can pull it off and not get lynched for it and this appears to be true
On March 07 2019 23:10 WaveofShadow wrote: People who are voting HF, if you're doing so for filter dive-y and NOT mod reasons, I won't stop you.
This to me is the clearest case on a town hf. It's absolutely possible I'm wrong here and if the game goes late, remember, but if scum HF truly pulled off what he did D1 that's insanely impressive, even for him and we as a whole deserve to lose for falling for it and lynching #1 town voice.
Hf does have limits to what he's capable of. I had kind of forgotten that. Deflecting suspicion for the entirety of a game is not where he likes to be. Sure he can put forth more sheer effort than nearly anybody else, but that is a tall order. Way more likely he actually did what he said and was dumb because he loves being right and looking right.
On March 07 2019 17:18 rsoultin wrote: Also need to read what this thing on sent is all about that Rels was yes ma'aming. Getting pretty burnt out, though. Like legit I don't know what's wrong with me can't find anything I feel super strong about beyond a few townreads burnt out.
lol nobody reads what I post. My only chance is to pester other people whose posts might be read.
On March 07 2019 23:27 Acrofales wrote: Anyway, filtering Sentinel. He'd be my first backup lynch choice, but I think he posted a bunch since Palmar wanted him dead, so I should make sense of that shit myself. /sigh.
Goddamn it, herding sheeples is way too much work
It’s actually impossible because they aren’t reading the thread and HF is taking advantage of this
On March 07 2019 23:31 Holyflare wrote: Also if you want to know why I've got not much in terms of scum reads the game started when I was on holiday and I was off work Tuesday so yesterday onwards I've just been skimming in the office and not doing much in terms of formulating reads in comparison to the start of the game.
You have put so much effort into survival that I don’t expect it from you, I Vote you for entirely different reasons.
If you are somehow town in all this:
Stop shitting up the thread and making it even more inhospitable to low activity players
Start doing what you just said here so you can start looking town by being town
I.E. lurk silently for a long while until you have something of value.
On March 07 2019 20:14 Holyflare wrote: I don't understand why anyone even thinks I'm mafia that would trade 1 for 1 with Palmar for absolutely no reason at all.
Then they make up some bs like they don't even remember how the d1 vote count went. There was no real vote count for 20 minutes after deadline.
U srs think this is what your goal looks like
You just think you can pull it off and not get lynched for it and this appears to be true
You can literally just read any number of my scum QTs. I just like to do the bare minimum if I can. Pretty scummy of you to say I would do this as mafia in fact when you know it wouldn't be true having played with me so much.
I know you would for that very reason! You know this isn’t a trade; YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH IT. AND YOU ARE PROVING THAT. YOU HAVE DONE WITH ME BEFORE.
On March 07 2019 17:18 rsoultin wrote: Also need to read what this thing on sent is all about that Rels was yes ma'aming. Getting pretty burnt out, though. Like legit I don't know what's wrong with me can't find anything I feel super strong about beyond a few townreads burnt out.
lol nobody reads what I post. My only chance is to pester other people whose posts might be read.
On March 07 2019 23:31 Holyflare wrote: Also if you want to know why I've got not much in terms of scum reads the game started when I was on holiday and I was off work Tuesday so yesterday onwards I've just been skimming in the office and not doing much in terms of formulating reads in comparison to the start of the game.
You have put so much effort into survival that I don’t expect it from you, I Vote you for entirely different reasons.
If you are somehow town in all this:
Stop shitting up the thread and making it even more inhospitable to low activity players
Start doing what you just said here so you can start looking town by being town
I.E. lurk silently for a long while until you have something of value.
Hahahaha no man this is me and I'm not changing me. Why would I sit idly lurking when I'm getting lynched. You know that is never me and will never be me.
Which is why you need to be lynched; you are ruining the game.
On March 08 2019 00:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Alakaslam what will your Master God's flip tell about you? The Master God you have never even been able to talk to because you are just a worthless scrub compared to him. What if he has indeed betrayed you? How would that feel?
It doesn’t matter as no such person exists in this context
On March 07 2019 23:31 Holyflare wrote: Also if you want to know why I've got not much in terms of scum reads the game started when I was on holiday and I was off work Tuesday so yesterday onwards I've just been skimming in the office and not doing much in terms of formulating reads in comparison to the start of the game.
You have put so much effort into survival that I don’t expect it from you, I Vote you for entirely different reasons.
If you are somehow town in all this:
Stop shitting up the thread and making it even more inhospitable to low activity players
Start doing what you just said here so you can start looking town by being town
I.E. lurk silently for a long while until you have something of value.
Hahahaha no man this is me and I'm not changing me. Why would I sit idly lurking when I'm getting lynched. You know that is never me and will never be me.
Which is why you need to be lynched; you are ruining the game.
he is ruining the game because of?
Overposting without changing the subject. AFAIK he isn’t even the leading lynch anymore and he will talk about nothing else
On March 07 2019 23:31 Holyflare wrote: Also if you want to know why I've got not much in terms of scum reads the game started when I was on holiday and I was off work Tuesday so yesterday onwards I've just been skimming in the office and not doing much in terms of formulating reads in comparison to the start of the game.
You have put so much effort into survival that I don’t expect it from you, I Vote you for entirely different reasons.
If you are somehow town in all this:
Stop shitting up the thread and making it even more inhospitable to low activity players
Start doing what you just said here so you can start looking town by being town
I.E. lurk silently for a long while until you have something of value.
Hahahaha no man this is me and I'm not changing me. Why would I sit idly lurking when I'm getting lynched. You know that is never me and will never be me.
Which is why you need to be lynched; you are ruining the game.
he is ruining the game because of?
Overposting without changing the subject. AFAIK he isn’t even the leading lynch anymore and he will talk about nothing else
On March 07 2019 23:31 Holyflare wrote: Also if you want to know why I've got not much in terms of scum reads the game started when I was on holiday and I was off work Tuesday so yesterday onwards I've just been skimming in the office and not doing much in terms of formulating reads in comparison to the start of the game.
You have put so much effort into survival that I don’t expect it from you, I Vote you for entirely different reasons.
If you are somehow town in all this:
Stop shitting up the thread and making it even more inhospitable to low activity players
Start doing what you just said here so you can start looking town by being town
I.E. lurk silently for a long while until you have something of value.
Hahahaha no man this is me and I'm not changing me. Why would I sit idly lurking when I'm getting lynched. You know that is never me and will never be me.
Which is why you need to be lynched; you are ruining the game.
he is ruining the game because of?
Overposting without changing the subject. AFAIK he isn’t even the leading lynch anymore and he will talk about nothing else
On March 08 2019 01:00 Holyflare wrote: I think I've changed the subject multiple times. Other people are the ones dragging it back.
We're lynching bh today. Nothing he has done has been towny. His play reeks of survival. Every time he says he's contributing it's just a comment on something someone said like 2 minutes before his post or coaching someone.
I've given him information he could run with to further reads on people because I was curious what he'd do but he ignored it because he doesn't want to give out the alignments of his team by discussing actual content of people.
His only play was to try and make the wagon on me stronger and that's all he's done.
It describes yourself too and the fact that it’s happening is why I hate that you still have thread control
On March 08 2019 01:01 Tictock wrote: ##Vote: Blazinghand
Prob wont be able to be around till basically EoD.
Mostly Sheeping, but of the 2? posts from BH I have read I got weird vibes so yea... seems fine. Only concern is that Mr. Wiggles is leading the wagon, but I have no time to look at things myself so, yea.
See this is why holy flare was not trading
He got to kill Palmar and we let him get away with this amirit
On March 07 2019 23:31 Holyflare wrote: Also if you want to know why I've got not much in terms of scum reads the game started when I was on holiday and I was off work Tuesday so yesterday onwards I've just been skimming in the office and not doing much in terms of formulating reads in comparison to the start of the game.
You have put so much effort into survival that I don’t expect it from you, I Vote you for entirely different reasons.
If you are somehow town in all this:
Stop shitting up the thread and making it even more inhospitable to low activity players
Start doing what you just said here so you can start looking town by being town
I.E. lurk silently for a long while until you have something of value.
Hahahaha no man this is me and I'm not changing me. Why would I sit idly lurking when I'm getting lynched. You know that is never me and will never be me.
Which is why you need to be lynched; you are ruining the game.
he is ruining the game because of?
Overposting without changing the subject. AFAIK he isn’t even the leading lynch anymore and he will talk about nothing else
I strongly believe you to be scum with him too
Why is he ruining the game if he is scum?
Because it fits with his wind condition
aka not ruining the game, but instead fulfilling his wincondition. it's not his fault (as mafia) if you scrubs cant tell what's important and what's not.
Also this is fucking terrible coming from you, the biggest shitposter in all mafia games in all times.
Sure, I am a hypocrite and that makes me wrong.
People are remarkably illogical, myself included.
The thing that amazes me is not so much that, as how few people recognize that (tif I think Rayn is one who does, hence my respect for the guy)
On March 08 2019 01:05 Alakaslam wrote: I don’t think Imve ever been so insulted here my entire time
because you havent been able to put up a NORMAL post in all this game and now you suddenly can because hf is mafia which he was to you ages ago? what is this shit even?
Fuck you! Read my filter before slander if you don’t want me to be pissed at you
Even if you’re mafia this is a low blow Rayn and you know it, so fuck you!
On March 08 2019 01:28 LightningStrike wrote: Rayn Slam you blasted hothead just calm down and take a break from the game if you have to. I had to do that when I got very pissed at the game.
Truth, will do this.
Sorry everyone especially Rayn I think I have misunderstood you.
On March 08 2019 03:41 darthfoley wrote: so i have 75 pages to read... and i'm getting shoulder surgery tomorrow and my arm will be in a sling for a month.
I'll spend the next couple hours trying to make sense of this stuff and be useful for once. If you want to vig me, that might be ideal lol
... Why would you play the game if you're having surgery?
Even many days since he joined, a lot of shit can happen in a week.
On March 08 2019 06:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What the fuck is going on in this game? I leave for a bit and the thread turns to a shit show -_-
How the fuck has more or less the entire thread glossed over the fact we had Rsoultin out Rel's role because she thought he was mafia then proceeded to not seriously push him as a candidate whatsoever Then proceeded to remain voting for someone she doesn't fully believe is fucking scum.
Seriously wtf is wrong with you guys. We have already had a bunch of blues flip and no one questions seriously why its ok for someone to out another players role on a gut read?
IMO there is literally no reason to out rels at this point in time unless you plan to go ham on a scum read.
On March 08 2019 05:54 sicklucker wrote: Well if we dont kill hf now hes never dying. So ill just have to asume hes town if thats happening and pray mafia nk him and reevaluate if I dont kill. I dont think we have the votes to kill him today is what im trying to say. so lets set up a side wagon to bh. But fuck I dont have enough time
We only need like 3 votes on HF. please vote him and stay on him. Don't say "let's just assume he's town for no reason because he's too good at convincing people to ever be able for us to lynch him" wtf
Jesus fuck.
Well
Imagine you had been keeping up with all of this live
On March 08 2019 07:14 Holyflare wrote: Slam why are you not happy with me? It's our last game together and I am genuinely town so please actually work with me so I can know your alignment?
On March 08 2019 07:14 Holyflare wrote: Slam why are you not happy with me? It's our last game together and I am genuinely town so please actually work with me so I can know your alignment?
I am super confident you are scum. Too confident.
You can’t be so willing to lie if you’re town.
What have I lied about in your opinion?
I won’t answer that question.
However, I will clarify that you have lied about a shot on BH.
Some lies are fine, facetiousness and satire are good examples of that.
But there are some things that are lies in defense, in which you’ve been caught that have no satisfactory defense- it literally doesn’t exist.
On March 08 2019 08:25 Ace wrote: This game is fucking hilarious
I will admit that despite the fact that this has kinda been an awful experience for me, and I think we are certainly doomed, this game has been pretty funny.
Ditto, I like to use concrete poetry now and then to illustrate This
On March 08 2019 08:34 Ace wrote: Probably 5 townies dying and most of the player base chasing their own reads before resolving one problem has some feeling helpless
Poor BloodyCobbler. I wonder how much rage he's holding back 🤔
I can’t believe anyone thought that was a better lunch than Holyflare but then people believe the original Christians we’re out for personal gain so who am I to blow against the wind
On March 08 2019 09:07 Alakaslam wrote: I can’t believe anyone thought that was a better lunch than Holyflare but then people believe the original Christians we’re out for personal gain so who am I to blow against the wind
On March 08 2019 09:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Everyone who voted for the sake of consolidation is a suspect regardless of which wagon they were on. We lynch wiggles tomorrow, then damdred, then fecalfeast/sent/jock/ace
MZ is town always and forever
Yeah, town for making everyone a suspect. No scum motive possible there, great insight tumblewood
On March 08 2019 10:47 Ace wrote: I didn't find him to be scummy enough. Secondly I was concerned with getting HF lynched. I think you should try to solve one issue at a time before jumping on to other things. It's clear as day HF is scum but I guess you guys need to be entertained 🤷🏾♂️
On March 08 2019 12:16 WaveofShadow wrote: Man you know what sucks the most about all this? I don't think we learn dick all about anything from this lynch.
Wow. Fucking brilliant.
Well I'd love to hear your insight at any time. From my point of view, both wagons are town and nobody else had a hope of getting lynched all day, so people were free to pile on if and when they wanted.
Feeling about tomorrow. I get up at 2AM to go meet with...
Well, lots of people. But She will be there, too.
It isn’t so bad, being in the friendzone for the right reasons. This person moves me like none of the others did... I just want the best for her. I step aside.
But I have to see that I can help her, anywhere I can.
(Me)“Porsche... I’ve never been in one. My family was more of a Ford/Lincoln type of family. What do you think? I am a bit of a car enthusiast...”
“I like the drive.”
“Ah, yes, that makes sense.” *beat- reaches the gate of the parking garage* (Her again) “You know, not many people see this. My little sister calls me “T-Rex” because of our relative position and that since she’s taller than me, she doesn’t have to do this” (can’t reach the ticket reader. Has to open door to reach it.)
“Ah... yeah... sometimes in my truck, I also had to open the door but because the vehicle was too tall. But yes, that’s a struggle I’ve never really had, right there.”
Met with wry grin.
(pulls out onto the driveway)
(Me) “where are we?”
“What do you mean? You came here too?”
“We’re going to your parents house, right?”
“Oh- you sat in the back.”
“Yeah. Too tall, couldn’t see.”
“That’s Rodeo Blvd.” (knowing grin. I later found out Rodeo is kind of a famous place.)
“Ok.”
(I start to feel carsick. We continue the drive in silence. We are climbing to the top of Beverly Hills. Before we reach the top, she turns into a private drive.)
“Crap... don’t tell me I forgot it...” (Searches purse)
“We have to go around front. Dang!”
“Is that such a problem?”
“10 minute drive or more.”
I then felt really sick. She is out of my league.
Our parents would continue to try and set us up. She’s not stupid though. Despite all this, I am really flattered to have been considered. She still wants to be friends, and wants to get to know each other better. So I charge at that 1%. Statement multiplicity: like, 5 or so... but some of them are opposite of what I mean so meh.
I... I know others there, who CLEARLY have the hots for me. But I can’t... I can’t go to them yet. I am definitely in turmoil as I am so dedicated to someone who doesn’t really return that dedication.
(Me again, struggling to move a couch from the youth room) “it’s ok, I got it”
She takes it by an upper part, ironically highlighting how much taller than her I am. She makes a subtle but decisive difference in the load.
“Ah? Thanks, you’re pretty strong!”
“Hahah- I do work out, you know. J(name) leads yoga classes and Pilates, you should come!”
“Maybe. What day?”
“Saturday.”
“I fly on Saturdays. Intro lesson this week. As far as I can afford.”
“You can schedule that though, right? You should come.”
“I’ll tr-“
“-hey that table is in my way, I’m gonna have to let go- Hey, K(name) stop for a sec!”
K(): “oh gosh keep going it is really heavy don’t stop”
Me: “it’s fine just let go”
Her: “I won’t be able to hold it”
Me: “it’s fine”
She lets go
My shoulder still hurts, and we moved that couch for the super bowl.
I love this woman. But I can’t act on that. I’m too young.
On March 08 2019 17:57 rsoultin wrote: BC/DF/ExO_ -> BC sounds angry no one wants to lynch me for playing 'bad' rather than being scum lol >< DF is a non-entity or a broken record even when he's supposedly here. Not his town game ExO_ HF's reasons and he's not being obnoxious
Ace <-tonal gut thing I'll try to figure out later. reminds me a little of wherebugsgo when he was scum during this d2 phase
Maybe Chez. Town explanation reaction-fishing for reads. No follow-through.
I'm missing someone on BH I'm pretty sure. ExO_ can't be the only one there. But when I look there's 5-6 names I'm not too sure of.
@Slam
And I like the case on Wiggles in a vacuum, so just lob him in.
That’s right. Thanks.
Yeah not sure about you then.
For some reason, I thought, like Exo, you had no scumreads
On March 08 2019 17:57 rsoultin wrote: BC/DF/ExO_ -> BC sounds angry no one wants to lynch me for playing 'bad' rather than being scum lol >< DF is a non-entity or a broken record even when he's supposedly here. Not his town game ExO_ HF's reasons and he's not being obnoxious
Ace <-tonal gut thing I'll try to figure out later. reminds me a little of wherebugsgo when he was scum during this d2 phase
Maybe Chez. Town explanation reaction-fishing for reads. No follow-through.
I'm missing someone on BH I'm pretty sure. ExO_ can't be the only one there. But when I look there's 5-6 names I'm not too sure of.
@Slam
And I like the case on Wiggles in a vacuum, so just lob him in.
I don't like this list. I don't know why exactly. Maybe cause it doesn't contain sentinel or Pandain.
I also would find it incredibly convenient if both Ace and bc were scum. I'm pretty sure it's one or neither.
-shrugs- I'm not townreading them.
As for Ace and BC...I don't know why exactly you think they can't both be scum? Are you townreading one of them?
Not sure. Seems unlikely they both go hard on HF the way they have as scum though. Most likely 1:1 or both town.
I dont think this particular thing means shit because almost all the people who played maybe 2012 and before literally think bad = scum.
I went into my newbie games with this mindset, having read older games, so this makes sense to me
On March 09 2019 06:02 WaveofShadow wrote: In regards to Ace/BC themselves, they are either both town and playing up their 'old school' nature (which is kind of annoying) or one of them is scum and playing it up even though they know it doesn't quite apply anymore. Pandain is scum for following it---the slot looked bad to me before AMG replaced in, AMG did dick all and posted some stats to make himself look better, then replaced out again.
Why in hell would scum replace out of this game? Like holy shizanga I’d make that trade
On March 09 2019 06:02 WaveofShadow wrote: In regards to Ace/BC themselves, they are either both town and playing up their 'old school' nature (which is kind of annoying) or one of them is scum and playing it up even though they know it doesn't quite apply anymore. Pandain is scum for following it---the slot looked bad to me before AMG replaced in, AMG did dick all and posted some stats to make himself look better, then replaced out again.
Why in hell would scum replace out of this game? Like holy shizanga I’d make that trade
On March 09 2019 06:04 Pandain wrote: I don't think they're mafia. I'm just stating a fact that if two of the best players in the game are still alive by day four and haven't been shot three nights in a row there's probably a reason why. It's a hypothetical future, not a current view.
Why would people wanting a town HF lynched ever get NKd? :D
This is an excellent point that you should have held onto.
Well, my vigi role isn't too bizar. And backup cop isn't either. So what are the non-normal roles you object to so much? Or you just peeved that town had 2 vigilantes?
A vig that can't shoot n1 and can only shoot into a selection of 3 people n2? That's absolutely not standard and how are the 3 people even chosen? Sounds bullshit.
Well, my vigi role isn't too bizar. And backup cop isn't either. So what are the non-normal roles you object to so much? Or you just peeved that town had 2 vigilantes?
A vig that can't shoot n1 and can only shoot into a selection of 3 people n2? That's absolutely not standard and how are the 3 people even chosen? Sounds bullshit.
A backup cop is absolutely not standard.
None of this is a normal game in the slightest.
Where the fuck did this info come from
I'm a thread cop that gets the exact wording of someone's role as they say it. My special power is the quote function.
On March 09 2019 08:59 Acrofales wrote: Okay, time is running out. I haven't filtered everybody yet, but here goes.
First off, I am the lurker vigilante and I shot damdred tonight.
It's a kinda useless twist on vigilante that puts some overly strict conditions on who I am allowed to shoot. On N1 I wasn't allowed to shoot anybody. Tonight I had a choice of Damdred, Chezinu and Pandain/AMG. Out of these I deemed damdred the scummiest.
Trust me, if I could have, I would have aimed this gun at HF's head twice already, but I can't
I expect to die tonight, so have my list post. Not that anybody here ever listens to the dead guys.
The lurk scum:
FecalFeast He's been around. He has been "helpful" and has the completely unconcerned feel of a scummer who knows his buddies are all safe. Add this to the "bid" he did for mayor, knowing he'd never get elected and use it all of D1 to do effectively nothing. GG.
He is not at all concerned with the goings on of the day. I understand someone says it's not FF meta to run for mayor as scum, but what did he do as mayor? Did even a single person vote for him? But really, was he sticking his head out above the cornfield? Not that I could see. He wasn't pushing any kind of platform, just sorta making posts about how he wanted to be mayor, without doing anything else?
Wiggles I cased him a bit earlier. This was my conclusion (bit rambly): + Show Spoiler +
On March 08 2019 21:47 Acrofales wrote: Hmmm, I think I'm starting to figure it out on my own, I'm just reaching a different conclusion.
Sorry for being a bit dense, but this is actually a super-interesting exchange that got totally snowed under in the HF-BH house of horror.
On March 07 2019 12:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Our dedicated fan Oatsmaster also writes in:
On March 07 2019 02:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 06 2019 21:47 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles is funny to me. I feel like I can just take his case on me, and find/replace his name for mine and submit it with equal fervor. Plus we voted on both wagons so we can’t be too far off.
This should make wriggles town to him right because he does the exact same things as wriggles
This is a funny point that was missed on my first read through. If Tubesock thinks my play looks the same as what I've been pointing out in his, then he should probably read me similarly to his own alignment. If he thinks that makes me look like mafia, that's probably that scum guilt eating him up inside. Oats didn't let that slip slip his attention. Bravo!
I'm trying to sort out this tangled up mess too. It just seems disingenuous to say this, but I can't quite put my finger on why.
Let me try rewording it, and Oats, TS and Wiggles correct me if this is what they thought:
On March 06 2019 11:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Tubesock fell off the face of the earth. Still scum though.
Got to pressure vote trfel near the start of the day and park the vote because the rest of us ran with a case. No posting into D2 means no pressure from the lynch fallout. Pushed the Palmar is scum thing early without needing to commit hard on it or later comment on HF's announcement of a Palmar lynch.
We've only gotten two reads out of TS on trfel and conversion and they've both flipped now. Besides that we have zero information on where their head's at, scum-hunting wise. Lurking without offering anything to town.
TS responds to this case saying that it doesn't feel right that Wiggles reads him as scum for this, as Wiggles has done exactly the same. Therefore if Wiggles is *town* he should realize that TS and he had the same behaviour and is therefore also town.
I don't actually see TS drawing conclusions from it, just saying that it's a bullshit case, at this point.
Oats chips in and says that it's weird, because if TS is town, and knows that the behaviour in the bullshit case comes from a townie, then he must see Wiggles as a townie.
I'm not sure I agree with that, because there is a major difference in their behaviour now:
Wiggles thinks tubesock's behaviour for which he was cased was scummy. Tubesock just thinks that Wiggles exhibited the same behaviour, not that the behaviour is scummy.
So if TS scumreads Wiggles, it isn't for the behaviour itself (which he thinks he shares), but rather for the hipocrisy of finding that behaviour scummy. But I do see where Oats is coming from. He just read too much into it. My real issue is the follow-up from Wiggles that I quoted at the top:
At this point we have Wiggles scumming TS for behaviour that TS says was the same as his own, and we don't have TS scumming Wiggles, just pointing out the hipocrisy. Wiggles tunnels in on it and says "well, if you see this as scummy then you must be scum yourself". This just seems super disingenuous and Wiggles isn't really trying to figure out whether TS is scum or town, just paint him red and call it a day.
On March 08 2019 12:55 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Our next letter is quite unpleasant. The contents of if describe various threats of death and bodily harm to your host in graphic detail, and the letter also looks to be smeared with what appears to be excrement.
Though the signature is partially obscured by said foul substance, we can make out some of the letters: A--of-l-s.
Now, we have a suspicion of who this misguided individual could be, and so we'll be addressing this hate-mail.
On March 08 2019 05:48 Vivax wrote: Looks like Ill have to vote BH then to ensure this isnt another fuckup day.
Just look at wiggles first, please?
His posts where he talks to TS seem good to me. TS was like "If Im mayor, ill sheep HF", effectively avoiding to give out an opinion on anyone. WIggles picked up on that.
Third post he calls out like 3 or 4 dudes (you, sent, conversion) for not sticking their neck out, effectively sticking out his own.
Idk, just doesnt seem mafia to me. Also, he most likely was the first to catch TS, so kudos to him.
I can do any other player I have listed in my final list. And BH is the next one in it.
Ok. You're right. The interaction with TS is actually okay :/
But it's from this point onward that I just read mehhhh:
On March 04 2019 14:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What do you think of the Acro case Oats?
I've been going back re-reading his posts and the case on him, but I'm having trouble making up my mind. I'll probably sleep on it and re-read again in the morning.
"please tell me what to think, I'll get back" (never did)
On March 05 2019 05:44 Ace wrote: Blazinghand don't get yourself lynched for bs. If you're town you just waste a day as there's no real discussion being generated regarding you, and it's an easy wagon for Scum to hop on.
Thank you! Felt like I was yelling into the wind
Claims he was advocating for BH being town (although I have no idea how Ace got there either), when he was advocating for a mayor to shiv BH rather than lynching him:
On March 05 2019 04:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What's with the BH train? If you want to kill a hardcore lurker like that why not use the mayor lynch? I don't see the benefit
On March 05 2019 12:23 WaveofShadow wrote: Anyway, as much as tooting my own horn is super fun (man I was a goddamn all-star scum player---I think my winrate might have been better than HFs)---
I want to make this clear before I post a little on rsoul We are lynching ONLY HF OR BH tomorrow. The game can't proceed properly until that's done. Of those two, I'd rather HF die. Not sure if for personal/fun reasons or not, but whateva. I will not be pushing anyone else actively.
I'll be interested to see what you say about rsoul. Don't read her that way and would rather she doesn't catch a bullet.
Hopefully someone takes care of BH tonight. I get that HF needs to flip too. =/
"Please tell me what to think" take 2.
Nothing he did in D1 was to take solid stances. The very start of the game he was pressuring TS a bit, but dropped it when he got no support and it kinda just faded.
On March 05 2019 12:34 Mr. Wiggles wrote: As much as I didn't like Conversion, Marv seems cool so far.
Not only is this a lie (he scummed trfel over conversion), but marv came in looking pretty townie. If wiggles is scum this is such a safe play! Gain easy town credit when later in the night you shank him. So fucking simple (and btw, I've done this).
On March 05 2019 14:50 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Rayn, is your read on Acro still the same? You had him pegged as scum earlier.
I don't see it after the second half of the day and the reaction to the Palmar lynch. He's helping move the game forward in a useful way now, even if he's wrong about some things (like me)
"Please tell me what to think" take 3.
Then there's a lot of just generally just looking like he's saying stuff without actually saying stuff.
I mean. Do I have a sure read on Wiggles? No. Not really. He could just be a town that's really struggling with the length of the game. But I'm more confident that he's scum than I am that BH is. And for the rest I'm sure Palmar had a damned good reason to suddenly spam the thread with Wiggles is Mafia. He didn't do that with Sentinel, BC or HF. He read Wiggles filter and you can see the alarm bells go off in his head. He never really said why. But it's blendy shit and reads like a blendy mafia.
I have played a scumgame with Wiggles a looooong time ago, and remember bussing him at some point for being all blendy and lurky and stuff. Same as this play. But not sure I ever played with town Wiggles, so meta case is not a good case here.
Now this individual claims several times that your host is asking callers to tell him what to think about some of our other citizens, rather than making up his own mind. We can say that this is a patently false statement.
After our first interaction asking about esteemed citizen Acrofales (no relation to A--of-l-s, we hope), we made up our minds that we consider him to be of a green persuasion. See our lack of joining the mob looking to do him violence on Day 1. We later press Rayn (who we are suspicious of!) about their read of Acrofales (who again, we think is town). The case put forward by Rayn appears to be a bunch of hooey from our perspective, so we want to see if he'll double-down on it, which they have more than done throughout the night and this day cycle, even going so far as to avoid the other wagons.
rsoultin was another of our town reads, so any cases put forth to attempt to undermine or sway opinion to the contrary were of interest to us. This was especially important, because cases made and pushed throughout the night could persuade the vigilante element of our society to take things into their own hands. Many of our players are a little buck-wild, to put things lightly, so it was a valid concern.
Lastly, regarding our dearly departed suicidal team mate BH, we did not want to see a large wagon on him on D1. We felt that the wagons and votes of the day would provide information that would be useful, and that this would be subverted by having the entire town jump on a martyr who we could instead let the mayor take care of. We did not once claim a town read on BH, but have leaned null (early) to scum (recently). Regardless of BH's alignment the Day 1 wagon was very easy for scum to hop onto if they so desired without needing to put forward any contribution.
I really do like the flavour you're putting into these posts
I'm also starting to see some glimmers of town in you more recently, but your play still feels very off. I still agree with rsoul. It's very peanut gallery. You seem more invested than FF at least. But some things just don't add up. The tunnel on tubesock that nobody is paying any attention to is just so... easy.
Also the reasoning around hopping on the trfel wagon feels like feigned interest.
You can literally just go where the wind blows. There's some light pressure, a bit of a tunnel, and a lot of blehhhhhh. Enough to look interested, but not enough to actually contribute.
Conclusion: still Wiggles
But all you really need to know is, and I can't stress this enough:
On March 05 2019 08:51 Palmar wrote: Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia
your wifom mind bomb wont work im going to ignore it.
Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia
Damdred See above, but if for some dumb reason my shot doesn't go through. His filter is empty of anything of value.
Ace Read Jock's case. It's actually quite good. But mostly just read Ace's filter. He looks really clever and doing things, but 95% of his posts are coaching or berating people. I'm not going to say Ace wouldn't play like that as town, as he very well might. But as long as there wasn't really a lynch to move, scum felt no pressure to move any wagons. The top 6!!! lynch votes on D1 were all town. So scum just happily did nothing. And the king of doing nothing? Ace.
I also don't feel that his stance on HF gets him off. (1) nobody was actually paying much attention to him, and (2) a good bus is an important part of being scum. I don't have a clear reason to call him town, and Ace is a good enough player that that is dangerous.
Bloodycobbler Like Ace, but remarkably I have some reasons to call him town: his anger may feel a bit fake, but the way he posts it just can't help but draw negative attention to himself. He shows up and berates everybody, then fucks off again. It feels like he's just antagonizing people for the sake of antagonizing them... and that isn't something scum generally do. Maybe BC does. I wouldn't know. Just doesn't make a lot of sense.
Chezinu I can't get a read on him one way or the other, and he has stopped playing entirely.
Sentinel There's some damning stuff and some redeeming stuff in his filter. I needed to ask him something to start making sense of it. Until that time I can't make up my mind properly. But not playing at all is NAI as far as I'm concerned. So /shrug...
Onegu AFK. No red flags in his few posts.
Pandain Host wifom reasons to read him town. Beyond that no clue really.
On March 09 2019 08:59 Acrofales wrote: Okay, time is running out. I haven't filtered everybody yet, but here goes.
First off, I am the lurker vigilante and I shot damdred tonight.
It's a kinda useless twist on vigilante that puts some overly strict conditions on who I am allowed to shoot. On N1 I wasn't allowed to shoot anybody. Tonight I had a choice of Damdred, Chezinu and Pandain/AMG. Out of these I deemed damdred the scummiest.
Trust me, if I could have, I would have aimed this gun at HF's head twice already, but I can't
I expect to die tonight, so have my list post. Not that anybody here ever listens to the dead guys.
The lurk scum:
FecalFeast He's been around. He has been "helpful" and has the completely unconcerned feel of a scummer who knows his buddies are all safe. Add this to the "bid" he did for mayor, knowing he'd never get elected and use it all of D1 to do effectively nothing. GG.
He is not at all concerned with the goings on of the day. I understand someone says it's not FF meta to run for mayor as scum, but what did he do as mayor? Did even a single person vote for him? But really, was he sticking his head out above the cornfield? Not that I could see. He wasn't pushing any kind of platform, just sorta making posts about how he wanted to be mayor, without doing anything else?
Wiggles I cased him a bit earlier. This was my conclusion (bit rambly): + Show Spoiler +
On March 08 2019 21:47 Acrofales wrote: Hmmm, I think I'm starting to figure it out on my own, I'm just reaching a different conclusion.
Sorry for being a bit dense, but this is actually a super-interesting exchange that got totally snowed under in the HF-BH house of horror.
On March 07 2019 12:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Our dedicated fan Oatsmaster also writes in:
On March 07 2019 02:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 06 2019 21:47 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles is funny to me. I feel like I can just take his case on me, and find/replace his name for mine and submit it with equal fervor. Plus we voted on both wagons so we can’t be too far off.
This should make wriggles town to him right because he does the exact same things as wriggles
This is a funny point that was missed on my first read through. If Tubesock thinks my play looks the same as what I've been pointing out in his, then he should probably read me similarly to his own alignment. If he thinks that makes me look like mafia, that's probably that scum guilt eating him up inside. Oats didn't let that slip slip his attention. Bravo!
I'm trying to sort out this tangled up mess too. It just seems disingenuous to say this, but I can't quite put my finger on why.
Let me try rewording it, and Oats, TS and Wiggles correct me if this is what they thought:
On March 06 2019 11:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Tubesock fell off the face of the earth. Still scum though.
Got to pressure vote trfel near the start of the day and park the vote because the rest of us ran with a case. No posting into D2 means no pressure from the lynch fallout. Pushed the Palmar is scum thing early without needing to commit hard on it or later comment on HF's announcement of a Palmar lynch.
We've only gotten two reads out of TS on trfel and conversion and they've both flipped now. Besides that we have zero information on where their head's at, scum-hunting wise. Lurking without offering anything to town.
TS responds to this case saying that it doesn't feel right that Wiggles reads him as scum for this, as Wiggles has done exactly the same. Therefore if Wiggles is *town* he should realize that TS and he had the same behaviour and is therefore also town.
I don't actually see TS drawing conclusions from it, just saying that it's a bullshit case, at this point.
Oats chips in and says that it's weird, because if TS is town, and knows that the behaviour in the bullshit case comes from a townie, then he must see Wiggles as a townie.
I'm not sure I agree with that, because there is a major difference in their behaviour now:
Wiggles thinks tubesock's behaviour for which he was cased was scummy. Tubesock just thinks that Wiggles exhibited the same behaviour, not that the behaviour is scummy.
So if TS scumreads Wiggles, it isn't for the behaviour itself (which he thinks he shares), but rather for the hipocrisy of finding that behaviour scummy. But I do see where Oats is coming from. He just read too much into it. My real issue is the follow-up from Wiggles that I quoted at the top:
At this point we have Wiggles scumming TS for behaviour that TS says was the same as his own, and we don't have TS scumming Wiggles, just pointing out the hipocrisy. Wiggles tunnels in on it and says "well, if you see this as scummy then you must be scum yourself". This just seems super disingenuous and Wiggles isn't really trying to figure out whether TS is scum or town, just paint him red and call it a day.
On March 08 2019 12:55 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Our next letter is quite unpleasant. The contents of if describe various threats of death and bodily harm to your host in graphic detail, and the letter also looks to be smeared with what appears to be excrement.
Though the signature is partially obscured by said foul substance, we can make out some of the letters: A--of-l-s.
Now, we have a suspicion of who this misguided individual could be, and so we'll be addressing this hate-mail.
On March 08 2019 05:48 Vivax wrote: Looks like Ill have to vote BH then to ensure this isnt another fuckup day.
Just look at wiggles first, please?
His posts where he talks to TS seem good to me. TS was like "If Im mayor, ill sheep HF", effectively avoiding to give out an opinion on anyone. WIggles picked up on that.
Third post he calls out like 3 or 4 dudes (you, sent, conversion) for not sticking their neck out, effectively sticking out his own.
Idk, just doesnt seem mafia to me. Also, he most likely was the first to catch TS, so kudos to him.
I can do any other player I have listed in my final list. And BH is the next one in it.
Ok. You're right. The interaction with TS is actually okay :/
But it's from this point onward that I just read mehhhh:
On March 04 2019 14:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What do you think of the Acro case Oats?
I've been going back re-reading his posts and the case on him, but I'm having trouble making up my mind. I'll probably sleep on it and re-read again in the morning.
"please tell me what to think, I'll get back" (never did)
On March 05 2019 05:44 Ace wrote: Blazinghand don't get yourself lynched for bs. If you're town you just waste a day as there's no real discussion being generated regarding you, and it's an easy wagon for Scum to hop on.
Thank you! Felt like I was yelling into the wind
Claims he was advocating for BH being town (although I have no idea how Ace got there either), when he was advocating for a mayor to shiv BH rather than lynching him:
On March 05 2019 04:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What's with the BH train? If you want to kill a hardcore lurker like that why not use the mayor lynch? I don't see the benefit
On March 05 2019 12:23 WaveofShadow wrote: Anyway, as much as tooting my own horn is super fun (man I was a goddamn all-star scum player---I think my winrate might have been better than HFs)---
I want to make this clear before I post a little on rsoul We are lynching ONLY HF OR BH tomorrow. The game can't proceed properly until that's done. Of those two, I'd rather HF die. Not sure if for personal/fun reasons or not, but whateva. I will not be pushing anyone else actively.
I'll be interested to see what you say about rsoul. Don't read her that way and would rather she doesn't catch a bullet.
Hopefully someone takes care of BH tonight. I get that HF needs to flip too. =/
"Please tell me what to think" take 2.
Nothing he did in D1 was to take solid stances. The very start of the game he was pressuring TS a bit, but dropped it when he got no support and it kinda just faded.
On March 05 2019 12:34 Mr. Wiggles wrote: As much as I didn't like Conversion, Marv seems cool so far.
Not only is this a lie (he scummed trfel over conversion), but marv came in looking pretty townie. If wiggles is scum this is such a safe play! Gain easy town credit when later in the night you shank him. So fucking simple (and btw, I've done this).
On March 05 2019 14:50 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Rayn, is your read on Acro still the same? You had him pegged as scum earlier.
I don't see it after the second half of the day and the reaction to the Palmar lynch. He's helping move the game forward in a useful way now, even if he's wrong about some things (like me)
"Please tell me what to think" take 3.
Then there's a lot of just generally just looking like he's saying stuff without actually saying stuff.
I mean. Do I have a sure read on Wiggles? No. Not really. He could just be a town that's really struggling with the length of the game. But I'm more confident that he's scum than I am that BH is. And for the rest I'm sure Palmar had a damned good reason to suddenly spam the thread with Wiggles is Mafia. He didn't do that with Sentinel, BC or HF. He read Wiggles filter and you can see the alarm bells go off in his head. He never really said why. But it's blendy shit and reads like a blendy mafia.
I have played a scumgame with Wiggles a looooong time ago, and remember bussing him at some point for being all blendy and lurky and stuff. Same as this play. But not sure I ever played with town Wiggles, so meta case is not a good case here.
Now this individual claims several times that your host is asking callers to tell him what to think about some of our other citizens, rather than making up his own mind. We can say that this is a patently false statement.
After our first interaction asking about esteemed citizen Acrofales (no relation to A--of-l-s, we hope), we made up our minds that we consider him to be of a green persuasion. See our lack of joining the mob looking to do him violence on Day 1. We later press Rayn (who we are suspicious of!) about their read of Acrofales (who again, we think is town). The case put forward by Rayn appears to be a bunch of hooey from our perspective, so we want to see if he'll double-down on it, which they have more than done throughout the night and this day cycle, even going so far as to avoid the other wagons.
rsoultin was another of our town reads, so any cases put forth to attempt to undermine or sway opinion to the contrary were of interest to us. This was especially important, because cases made and pushed throughout the night could persuade the vigilante element of our society to take things into their own hands. Many of our players are a little buck-wild, to put things lightly, so it was a valid concern.
Lastly, regarding our dearly departed suicidal team mate BH, we did not want to see a large wagon on him on D1. We felt that the wagons and votes of the day would provide information that would be useful, and that this would be subverted by having the entire town jump on a martyr who we could instead let the mayor take care of. We did not once claim a town read on BH, but have leaned null (early) to scum (recently). Regardless of BH's alignment the Day 1 wagon was very easy for scum to hop onto if they so desired without needing to put forward any contribution.
I really do like the flavour you're putting into these posts
I'm also starting to see some glimmers of town in you more recently, but your play still feels very off. I still agree with rsoul. It's very peanut gallery. You seem more invested than FF at least. But some things just don't add up. The tunnel on tubesock that nobody is paying any attention to is just so... easy.
Also the reasoning around hopping on the trfel wagon feels like feigned interest.
You can literally just go where the wind blows. There's some light pressure, a bit of a tunnel, and a lot of blehhhhhh. Enough to look interested, but not enough to actually contribute.
Conclusion: still Wiggles
But all you really need to know is, and I can't stress this enough:
On March 05 2019 08:52 Palmar wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:51 iamperfection wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:51 Palmar wrote: Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia
your wifom mind bomb wont work im going to ignore it.
Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia
Damdred See above, but if for some dumb reason my shot doesn't go through. His filter is empty of anything of value.
Ace Read Jock's case. It's actually quite good. But mostly just read Ace's filter. He looks really clever and doing things, but 95% of his posts are coaching or berating people. I'm not going to say Ace wouldn't play like that as town, as he very well might. But as long as there wasn't really a lynch to move, scum felt no pressure to move any wagons. The top 6!!! lynch votes on D1 were all town. So scum just happily did nothing. And the king of doing nothing? Ace.
I also don't feel that his stance on HF gets him off. (1) nobody was actually paying much attention to him, and (2) a good bus is an important part of being scum. I don't have a clear reason to call him town, and Ace is a good enough player that that is dangerous.
Bloodycobbler Like Ace, but remarkably I have some reasons to call him town: his anger may feel a bit fake, but the way he posts it just can't help but draw negative attention to himself. He shows up and berates everybody, then fucks off again. It feels like he's just antagonizing people for the sake of antagonizing them... and that isn't something scum generally do. Maybe BC does. I wouldn't know. Just doesn't make a lot of sense.
Chezinu I can't get a read on him one way or the other, and he has stopped playing entirely.
Sentinel There's some damning stuff and some redeeming stuff in his filter. I needed to ask him something to start making sense of it. Until that time I can't make up my mind properly. But not playing at all is NAI as far as I'm concerned. So /shrug...
Onegu AFK. No red flags in his few posts.
Pandain Host wifom reasons to read him town. Beyond that no clue really.
On March 09 2019 08:59 Acrofales wrote: Okay, time is running out. I haven't filtered everybody yet, but here goes.
First off, I am the lurker vigilante and I shot damdred tonight.
It's a kinda useless twist on vigilante that puts some overly strict conditions on who I am allowed to shoot. On N1 I wasn't allowed to shoot anybody. Tonight I had a choice of Damdred, Chezinu and Pandain/AMG. Out of these I deemed damdred the scummiest.
Trust me, if I could have, I would have aimed this gun at HF's head twice already, but I can't
I expect to die tonight, so have my list post. Not that anybody here ever listens to the dead guys.
The lurk scum:
FecalFeast He's been around. He has been "helpful" and has the completely unconcerned feel of a scummer who knows his buddies are all safe. Add this to the "bid" he did for mayor, knowing he'd never get elected and use it all of D1 to do effectively nothing. GG.
He is not at all concerned with the goings on of the day. I understand someone says it's not FF meta to run for mayor as scum, but what did he do as mayor? Did even a single person vote for him? But really, was he sticking his head out above the cornfield? Not that I could see. He wasn't pushing any kind of platform, just sorta making posts about how he wanted to be mayor, without doing anything else?
Wiggles I cased him a bit earlier. This was my conclusion (bit rambly): + Show Spoiler +
On March 08 2019 21:47 Acrofales wrote: Hmmm, I think I'm starting to figure it out on my own, I'm just reaching a different conclusion.
Sorry for being a bit dense, but this is actually a super-interesting exchange that got totally snowed under in the HF-BH house of horror.
On March 07 2019 12:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Our dedicated fan Oatsmaster also writes in:
On March 07 2019 02:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 06 2019 21:47 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles is funny to me. I feel like I can just take his case on me, and find/replace his name for mine and submit it with equal fervor. Plus we voted on both wagons so we can’t be too far off.
This should make wriggles town to him right because he does the exact same things as wriggles
This is a funny point that was missed on my first read through. If Tubesock thinks my play looks the same as what I've been pointing out in his, then he should probably read me similarly to his own alignment. If he thinks that makes me look like mafia, that's probably that scum guilt eating him up inside. Oats didn't let that slip slip his attention. Bravo!
I'm trying to sort out this tangled up mess too. It just seems disingenuous to say this, but I can't quite put my finger on why.
Let me try rewording it, and Oats, TS and Wiggles correct me if this is what they thought:
On March 06 2019 11:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Tubesock fell off the face of the earth. Still scum though.
Got to pressure vote trfel near the start of the day and park the vote because the rest of us ran with a case. No posting into D2 means no pressure from the lynch fallout. Pushed the Palmar is scum thing early without needing to commit hard on it or later comment on HF's announcement of a Palmar lynch.
We've only gotten two reads out of TS on trfel and conversion and they've both flipped now. Besides that we have zero information on where their head's at, scum-hunting wise. Lurking without offering anything to town.
TS responds to this case saying that it doesn't feel right that Wiggles reads him as scum for this, as Wiggles has done exactly the same. Therefore if Wiggles is *town* he should realize that TS and he had the same behaviour and is therefore also town.
I don't actually see TS drawing conclusions from it, just saying that it's a bullshit case, at this point.
Oats chips in and says that it's weird, because if TS is town, and knows that the behaviour in the bullshit case comes from a townie, then he must see Wiggles as a townie.
I'm not sure I agree with that, because there is a major difference in their behaviour now:
Wiggles thinks tubesock's behaviour for which he was cased was scummy. Tubesock just thinks that Wiggles exhibited the same behaviour, not that the behaviour is scummy.
So if TS scumreads Wiggles, it isn't for the behaviour itself (which he thinks he shares), but rather for the hipocrisy of finding that behaviour scummy. But I do see where Oats is coming from. He just read too much into it. My real issue is the follow-up from Wiggles that I quoted at the top:
At this point we have Wiggles scumming TS for behaviour that TS says was the same as his own, and we don't have TS scumming Wiggles, just pointing out the hipocrisy. Wiggles tunnels in on it and says "well, if you see this as scummy then you must be scum yourself". This just seems super disingenuous and Wiggles isn't really trying to figure out whether TS is scum or town, just paint him red and call it a day.
On March 08 2019 12:55 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Our next letter is quite unpleasant. The contents of if describe various threats of death and bodily harm to your host in graphic detail, and the letter also looks to be smeared with what appears to be excrement.
Though the signature is partially obscured by said foul substance, we can make out some of the letters: A--of-l-s.
Now, we have a suspicion of who this misguided individual could be, and so we'll be addressing this hate-mail.
On March 08 2019 05:48 Vivax wrote: Looks like Ill have to vote BH then to ensure this isnt another fuckup day.
Just look at wiggles first, please?
His posts where he talks to TS seem good to me. TS was like "If Im mayor, ill sheep HF", effectively avoiding to give out an opinion on anyone. WIggles picked up on that.
Third post he calls out like 3 or 4 dudes (you, sent, conversion) for not sticking their neck out, effectively sticking out his own.
Idk, just doesnt seem mafia to me. Also, he most likely was the first to catch TS, so kudos to him.
I can do any other player I have listed in my final list. And BH is the next one in it.
Ok. You're right. The interaction with TS is actually okay :/
But it's from this point onward that I just read mehhhh:
On March 04 2019 14:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What do you think of the Acro case Oats?
I've been going back re-reading his posts and the case on him, but I'm having trouble making up my mind. I'll probably sleep on it and re-read again in the morning.
"please tell me what to think, I'll get back" (never did)
On March 05 2019 05:44 Ace wrote: Blazinghand don't get yourself lynched for bs. If you're town you just waste a day as there's no real discussion being generated regarding you, and it's an easy wagon for Scum to hop on.
Thank you! Felt like I was yelling into the wind
Claims he was advocating for BH being town (although I have no idea how Ace got there either), when he was advocating for a mayor to shiv BH rather than lynching him:
On March 05 2019 04:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What's with the BH train? If you want to kill a hardcore lurker like that why not use the mayor lynch? I don't see the benefit
On March 05 2019 12:23 WaveofShadow wrote: Anyway, as much as tooting my own horn is super fun (man I was a goddamn all-star scum player---I think my winrate might have been better than HFs)---
I want to make this clear before I post a little on rsoul We are lynching ONLY HF OR BH tomorrow. The game can't proceed properly until that's done. Of those two, I'd rather HF die. Not sure if for personal/fun reasons or not, but whateva. I will not be pushing anyone else actively.
I'll be interested to see what you say about rsoul. Don't read her that way and would rather she doesn't catch a bullet.
Hopefully someone takes care of BH tonight. I get that HF needs to flip too. =/
"Please tell me what to think" take 2.
Nothing he did in D1 was to take solid stances. The very start of the game he was pressuring TS a bit, but dropped it when he got no support and it kinda just faded.
On March 05 2019 12:34 Mr. Wiggles wrote: As much as I didn't like Conversion, Marv seems cool so far.
Not only is this a lie (he scummed trfel over conversion), but marv came in looking pretty townie. If wiggles is scum this is such a safe play! Gain easy town credit when later in the night you shank him. So fucking simple (and btw, I've done this).
On March 05 2019 14:50 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Rayn, is your read on Acro still the same? You had him pegged as scum earlier.
I don't see it after the second half of the day and the reaction to the Palmar lynch. He's helping move the game forward in a useful way now, even if he's wrong about some things (like me)
"Please tell me what to think" take 3.
Then there's a lot of just generally just looking like he's saying stuff without actually saying stuff.
I mean. Do I have a sure read on Wiggles? No. Not really. He could just be a town that's really struggling with the length of the game. But I'm more confident that he's scum than I am that BH is. And for the rest I'm sure Palmar had a damned good reason to suddenly spam the thread with Wiggles is Mafia. He didn't do that with Sentinel, BC or HF. He read Wiggles filter and you can see the alarm bells go off in his head. He never really said why. But it's blendy shit and reads like a blendy mafia.
I have played a scumgame with Wiggles a looooong time ago, and remember bussing him at some point for being all blendy and lurky and stuff. Same as this play. But not sure I ever played with town Wiggles, so meta case is not a good case here.
Now this individual claims several times that your host is asking callers to tell him what to think about some of our other citizens, rather than making up his own mind. We can say that this is a patently false statement.
After our first interaction asking about esteemed citizen Acrofales (no relation to A--of-l-s, we hope), we made up our minds that we consider him to be of a green persuasion. See our lack of joining the mob looking to do him violence on Day 1. We later press Rayn (who we are suspicious of!) about their read of Acrofales (who again, we think is town). The case put forward by Rayn appears to be a bunch of hooey from our perspective, so we want to see if he'll double-down on it, which they have more than done throughout the night and this day cycle, even going so far as to avoid the other wagons.
rsoultin was another of our town reads, so any cases put forth to attempt to undermine or sway opinion to the contrary were of interest to us. This was especially important, because cases made and pushed throughout the night could persuade the vigilante element of our society to take things into their own hands. Many of our players are a little buck-wild, to put things lightly, so it was a valid concern.
Lastly, regarding our dearly departed suicidal team mate BH, we did not want to see a large wagon on him on D1. We felt that the wagons and votes of the day would provide information that would be useful, and that this would be subverted by having the entire town jump on a martyr who we could instead let the mayor take care of. We did not once claim a town read on BH, but have leaned null (early) to scum (recently). Regardless of BH's alignment the Day 1 wagon was very easy for scum to hop onto if they so desired without needing to put forward any contribution.
I really do like the flavour you're putting into these posts
I'm also starting to see some glimmers of town in you more recently, but your play still feels very off. I still agree with rsoul. It's very peanut gallery. You seem more invested than FF at least. But some things just don't add up. The tunnel on tubesock that nobody is paying any attention to is just so... easy.
Also the reasoning around hopping on the trfel wagon feels like feigned interest.
You can literally just go where the wind blows. There's some light pressure, a bit of a tunnel, and a lot of blehhhhhh. Enough to look interested, but not enough to actually contribute.
Conclusion: still Wiggles
But all you really need to know is, and I can't stress this enough:
On March 05 2019 08:52 Palmar wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:51 iamperfection wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:51 Palmar wrote: Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia
your wifom mind bomb wont work im going to ignore it.
Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia
Damdred See above, but if for some dumb reason my shot doesn't go through. His filter is empty of anything of value.
Ace Read Jock's case. It's actually quite good. But mostly just read Ace's filter. He looks really clever and doing things, but 95% of his posts are coaching or berating people. I'm not going to say Ace wouldn't play like that as town, as he very well might. But as long as there wasn't really a lynch to move, scum felt no pressure to move any wagons. The top 6!!! lynch votes on D1 were all town. So scum just happily did nothing. And the king of doing nothing? Ace.
I also don't feel that his stance on HF gets him off. (1) nobody was actually paying much attention to him, and (2) a good bus is an important part of being scum. I don't have a clear reason to call him town, and Ace is a good enough player that that is dangerous.
Bloodycobbler Like Ace, but remarkably I have some reasons to call him town: his anger may feel a bit fake, but the way he posts it just can't help but draw negative attention to himself. He shows up and berates everybody, then fucks off again. It feels like he's just antagonizing people for the sake of antagonizing them... and that isn't something scum generally do. Maybe BC does. I wouldn't know. Just doesn't make a lot of sense.
Chezinu I can't get a read on him one way or the other, and he has stopped playing entirely.
Sentinel There's some damning stuff and some redeeming stuff in his filter. I needed to ask him something to start making sense of it. Until that time I can't make up my mind properly. But not playing at all is NAI as far as I'm concerned. So /shrug...
Onegu AFK. No red flags in his few posts.
Pandain Host wifom reasons to read him town. Beyond that no clue really.
On March 09 2019 08:59 Acrofales wrote: Okay, time is running out. I haven't filtered everybody yet, but here goes.
First off, I am the lurker vigilante and I shot damdred tonight.
It's a kinda useless twist on vigilante that puts some overly strict conditions on who I am allowed to shoot. On N1 I wasn't allowed to shoot anybody. Tonight I had a choice of Damdred, Chezinu and Pandain/AMG. Out of these I deemed damdred the scummiest.
Trust me, if I could have, I would have aimed this gun at HF's head twice already, but I can't
I expect to die tonight, so have my list post. Not that anybody here ever listens to the dead guys.
The lurk scum:
FecalFeast He's been around. He has been "helpful" and has the completely unconcerned feel of a scummer who knows his buddies are all safe. Add this to the "bid" he did for mayor, knowing he'd never get elected and use it all of D1 to do effectively nothing. GG.
He is not at all concerned with the goings on of the day. I understand someone says it's not FF meta to run for mayor as scum, but what did he do as mayor? Did even a single person vote for him? But really, was he sticking his head out above the cornfield? Not that I could see. He wasn't pushing any kind of platform, just sorta making posts about how he wanted to be mayor, without doing anything else?
Wiggles I cased him a bit earlier. This was my conclusion (bit rambly): + Show Spoiler +
On March 08 2019 21:47 Acrofales wrote: Hmmm, I think I'm starting to figure it out on my own, I'm just reaching a different conclusion.
Sorry for being a bit dense, but this is actually a super-interesting exchange that got totally snowed under in the HF-BH house of horror.
On March 07 2019 12:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Our dedicated fan Oatsmaster also writes in:
On March 07 2019 02:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 06 2019 21:47 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles is funny to me. I feel like I can just take his case on me, and find/replace his name for mine and submit it with equal fervor. Plus we voted on both wagons so we can’t be too far off.
This should make wriggles town to him right because he does the exact same things as wriggles
This is a funny point that was missed on my first read through. If Tubesock thinks my play looks the same as what I've been pointing out in his, then he should probably read me similarly to his own alignment. If he thinks that makes me look like mafia, that's probably that scum guilt eating him up inside. Oats didn't let that slip slip his attention. Bravo!
I'm trying to sort out this tangled up mess too. It just seems disingenuous to say this, but I can't quite put my finger on why.
Let me try rewording it, and Oats, TS and Wiggles correct me if this is what they thought:
On March 06 2019 11:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Tubesock fell off the face of the earth. Still scum though.
Got to pressure vote trfel near the start of the day and park the vote because the rest of us ran with a case. No posting into D2 means no pressure from the lynch fallout. Pushed the Palmar is scum thing early without needing to commit hard on it or later comment on HF's announcement of a Palmar lynch.
We've only gotten two reads out of TS on trfel and conversion and they've both flipped now. Besides that we have zero information on where their head's at, scum-hunting wise. Lurking without offering anything to town.
TS responds to this case saying that it doesn't feel right that Wiggles reads him as scum for this, as Wiggles has done exactly the same. Therefore if Wiggles is *town* he should realize that TS and he had the same behaviour and is therefore also town.
I don't actually see TS drawing conclusions from it, just saying that it's a bullshit case, at this point.
Oats chips in and says that it's weird, because if TS is town, and knows that the behaviour in the bullshit case comes from a townie, then he must see Wiggles as a townie.
I'm not sure I agree with that, because there is a major difference in their behaviour now:
Wiggles thinks tubesock's behaviour for which he was cased was scummy. Tubesock just thinks that Wiggles exhibited the same behaviour, not that the behaviour is scummy.
So if TS scumreads Wiggles, it isn't for the behaviour itself (which he thinks he shares), but rather for the hipocrisy of finding that behaviour scummy. But I do see where Oats is coming from. He just read too much into it. My real issue is the follow-up from Wiggles that I quoted at the top:
At this point we have Wiggles scumming TS for behaviour that TS says was the same as his own, and we don't have TS scumming Wiggles, just pointing out the hipocrisy. Wiggles tunnels in on it and says "well, if you see this as scummy then you must be scum yourself". This just seems super disingenuous and Wiggles isn't really trying to figure out whether TS is scum or town, just paint him red and call it a day.
On March 08 2019 12:55 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Our next letter is quite unpleasant. The contents of if describe various threats of death and bodily harm to your host in graphic detail, and the letter also looks to be smeared with what appears to be excrement.
Though the signature is partially obscured by said foul substance, we can make out some of the letters: A--of-l-s.
Now, we have a suspicion of who this misguided individual could be, and so we'll be addressing this hate-mail.
On March 08 2019 05:48 Vivax wrote: Looks like Ill have to vote BH then to ensure this isnt another fuckup day.
Just look at wiggles first, please?
His posts where he talks to TS seem good to me. TS was like "If Im mayor, ill sheep HF", effectively avoiding to give out an opinion on anyone. WIggles picked up on that.
Third post he calls out like 3 or 4 dudes (you, sent, conversion) for not sticking their neck out, effectively sticking out his own.
Idk, just doesnt seem mafia to me. Also, he most likely was the first to catch TS, so kudos to him.
I can do any other player I have listed in my final list. And BH is the next one in it.
Ok. You're right. The interaction with TS is actually okay :/
But it's from this point onward that I just read mehhhh:
On March 04 2019 14:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What do you think of the Acro case Oats?
I've been going back re-reading his posts and the case on him, but I'm having trouble making up my mind. I'll probably sleep on it and re-read again in the morning.
"please tell me what to think, I'll get back" (never did)
On March 05 2019 05:44 Ace wrote: Blazinghand don't get yourself lynched for bs. If you're town you just waste a day as there's no real discussion being generated regarding you, and it's an easy wagon for Scum to hop on.
Thank you! Felt like I was yelling into the wind
Claims he was advocating for BH being town (although I have no idea how Ace got there either), when he was advocating for a mayor to shiv BH rather than lynching him:
On March 05 2019 04:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What's with the BH train? If you want to kill a hardcore lurker like that why not use the mayor lynch? I don't see the benefit
On March 05 2019 12:23 WaveofShadow wrote: Anyway, as much as tooting my own horn is super fun (man I was a goddamn all-star scum player---I think my winrate might have been better than HFs)---
I want to make this clear before I post a little on rsoul We are lynching ONLY HF OR BH tomorrow. The game can't proceed properly until that's done. Of those two, I'd rather HF die. Not sure if for personal/fun reasons or not, but whateva. I will not be pushing anyone else actively.
I'll be interested to see what you say about rsoul. Don't read her that way and would rather she doesn't catch a bullet.
Hopefully someone takes care of BH tonight. I get that HF needs to flip too. =/
"Please tell me what to think" take 2.
Nothing he did in D1 was to take solid stances. The very start of the game he was pressuring TS a bit, but dropped it when he got no support and it kinda just faded.
On March 05 2019 12:34 Mr. Wiggles wrote: As much as I didn't like Conversion, Marv seems cool so far.
Not only is this a lie (he scummed trfel over conversion), but marv came in looking pretty townie. If wiggles is scum this is such a safe play! Gain easy town credit when later in the night you shank him. So fucking simple (and btw, I've done this).
On March 05 2019 14:50 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Rayn, is your read on Acro still the same? You had him pegged as scum earlier.
I don't see it after the second half of the day and the reaction to the Palmar lynch. He's helping move the game forward in a useful way now, even if he's wrong about some things (like me)
"Please tell me what to think" take 3.
Then there's a lot of just generally just looking like he's saying stuff without actually saying stuff.
I mean. Do I have a sure read on Wiggles? No. Not really. He could just be a town that's really struggling with the length of the game. But I'm more confident that he's scum than I am that BH is. And for the rest I'm sure Palmar had a damned good reason to suddenly spam the thread with Wiggles is Mafia. He didn't do that with Sentinel, BC or HF. He read Wiggles filter and you can see the alarm bells go off in his head. He never really said why. But it's blendy shit and reads like a blendy mafia.
I have played a scumgame with Wiggles a looooong time ago, and remember bussing him at some point for being all blendy and lurky and stuff. Same as this play. But not sure I ever played with town Wiggles, so meta case is not a good case here.
Now this individual claims several times that your host is asking callers to tell him what to think about some of our other citizens, rather than making up his own mind. We can say that this is a patently false statement.
After our first interaction asking about esteemed citizen Acrofales (no relation to A--of-l-s, we hope), we made up our minds that we consider him to be of a green persuasion. See our lack of joining the mob looking to do him violence on Day 1. We later press Rayn (who we are suspicious of!) about their read of Acrofales (who again, we think is town). The case put forward by Rayn appears to be a bunch of hooey from our perspective, so we want to see if he'll double-down on it, which they have more than done throughout the night and this day cycle, even going so far as to avoid the other wagons.
rsoultin was another of our town reads, so any cases put forth to attempt to undermine or sway opinion to the contrary were of interest to us. This was especially important, because cases made and pushed throughout the night could persuade the vigilante element of our society to take things into their own hands. Many of our players are a little buck-wild, to put things lightly, so it was a valid concern.
Lastly, regarding our dearly departed suicidal team mate BH, we did not want to see a large wagon on him on D1. We felt that the wagons and votes of the day would provide information that would be useful, and that this would be subverted by having the entire town jump on a martyr who we could instead let the mayor take care of. We did not once claim a town read on BH, but have leaned null (early) to scum (recently). Regardless of BH's alignment the Day 1 wagon was very easy for scum to hop onto if they so desired without needing to put forward any contribution.
I really do like the flavour you're putting into these posts
I'm also starting to see some glimmers of town in you more recently, but your play still feels very off. I still agree with rsoul. It's very peanut gallery. You seem more invested than FF at least. But some things just don't add up. The tunnel on tubesock that nobody is paying any attention to is just so... easy.
Also the reasoning around hopping on the trfel wagon feels like feigned interest.
You can literally just go where the wind blows. There's some light pressure, a bit of a tunnel, and a lot of blehhhhhh. Enough to look interested, but not enough to actually contribute.
Conclusion: still Wiggles
But all you really need to know is, and I can't stress this enough:
On March 05 2019 08:52 Palmar wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:51 iamperfection wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:51 Palmar wrote: Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia
your wifom mind bomb wont work im going to ignore it.
Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia Wiggles is mafia
Damdred See above, but if for some dumb reason my shot doesn't go through. His filter is empty of anything of value.
Ace Read Jock's case. It's actually quite good. But mostly just read Ace's filter. He looks really clever and doing things, but 95% of his posts are coaching or berating people. I'm not going to say Ace wouldn't play like that as town, as he very well might. But as long as there wasn't really a lynch to move, scum felt no pressure to move any wagons. The top 6!!! lynch votes on D1 were all town. So scum just happily did nothing. And the king of doing nothing? Ace.
I also don't feel that his stance on HF gets him off. (1) nobody was actually paying much attention to him, and (2) a good bus is an important part of being scum. I don't have a clear reason to call him town, and Ace is a good enough player that that is dangerous.
Bloodycobbler Like Ace, but remarkably I have some reasons to call him town: his anger may feel a bit fake, but the way he posts it just can't help but draw negative attention to himself. He shows up and berates everybody, then fucks off again. It feels like he's just antagonizing people for the sake of antagonizing them... and that isn't something scum generally do. Maybe BC does. I wouldn't know. Just doesn't make a lot of sense.
Chezinu I can't get a read on him one way or the other, and he has stopped playing entirely.
Sentinel There's some damning stuff and some redeeming stuff in his filter. I needed to ask him something to start making sense of it. Until that time I can't make up my mind properly. But not playing at all is NAI as far as I'm concerned. So /shrug...
Onegu AFK. No red flags in his few posts.
Pandain Host wifom reasons to read him town. Beyond that no clue really.
On March 09 2019 21:46 Onegu wrote: Oh pandian in confirmed mafia and the dude who shot damdred confirmed town.
Logic like this. I believe the role. I believe he was given 2 town and 1 scum. Maybe reverse that. Still doesnt matter. At least one of the 3 should be scum. Then everyone is like he look hf is town. 3 people who town read him are dead and the person tunneling is scum. HF town.
So you shoot him?
Nah dont buy it.
##Vote: Pandain
Fyi dandred was town not mafia. Thanks for giving me a dumb tell i geuss
Thats what I am saying dude. Why would scum shoot damdred and fucking make that claim about shooting damdred. They wouldnt. Never. That is why that claim is real. And hosts are never going to give him a list with 3 town on it to shoot. So at least 1 of chez/pandain are scum.
Yeeeees they would m8. The wifom is ready to be had.
Like srs m8, you townread him for it right? So if he is in fact scum? It just worked, didn’t it?
Reasons? Or shall I just roll over and let it happen? HF/Rayn/rsoul townflip killed my mojo for this game TBH. Made me feel pretty useless or even detrimental which is probably true, so I haven’t read anything before the flip since like page 300, and probably won’t because I am too busy irl.
On March 12 2019 04:59 Pandain wrote: Fuck busy again tonight. Can't do a last post but if I die slam and onegu need to be next lynches. Grack I saw your post but meta tells like that are shit compared to actual analyses. Any good player can change their meta, and honestly people can't read meta for shit.
Slam has two huge scum tells. He voted for HF and then later pushed HF for lynching palmar(extremely hypocritical and makes sense from mafia perspective). And he also, despite being very active most times, was completely "gone" during the sentinel lynch, and "convienantly" just showed up five minutes after. Yeah right. Lynch this guy.
Onegu has just been scummy this whole game, pushing me for absolutely no reason (like actually none. His reason was because of a misunderstanding of acros role later shown to he false. But onegu never backtracked. And he too convienantly afked during sentinel lynch. Also I can't do analysis because g2g but his whole filter is pretty bad.
If ace ever lives past night 4 he's 100% scum.
Acro is town I think. Don't agree with aces analysis at all. It's not anti town mechanic because he wasn't forced to shoot anyone.
I work in LA and live in Palm Springs. My schedule is nuts. Wifom point son.
I realized my error on HF long before you say homboii and campaigned for Palmar against him, softly.
Only saying this because I don’t want my rep to continue to worsen when I flip.
On March 12 2019 05:02 Acrofales wrote: @pandain: you have time to look at DF's filter?
I'll look at slam. Gotta do MZ first tho.
His filter is huge and full of spam. You will get lost. Just pay attention to my points. It's obvious tells and he needs to he lynched.
Unfortunately no im literally leaving in a minute. Maybe I will be back in time. From memory he's basically inactive. Good possible lynch but short of a bombshell in his filter wouldn't lynch him tomorrow
Fuck this he can skip the spam. It’s called “skimming”
Ditto. Onegu is awesome even if my phone always wants to make it ONEGU
He was the first Svengali and I fear him as town every game ;D
Maybe slam is scum...
On December 4th, 5 years ago, when
Slam worked for BioGro Was dating a Mexican Found Asians unattractive (pudgy face, narrow eyes, tend to be high maintenance) Would heavily factor age into dating (the Mexican gal was 3 days older than me) Wasn’t sure how to get to LA, but knew Phoenix like the back of his hand Thought his truck got ok mpg
Now, Slam: Is disappointed with his car’s MPG and the truck lol Is trying his darnedest to date a Korean woman who is many years his senior (discovered I am also pretty high maintenance and there is more to a woman than her looks; and frankly when you hang around Asians enough caucasians look like Donkey Kong, especially that chick from Rogue one) Knows where Alhambra stops and Hollywood begins, though still trying to figure out where Beverly Hills is and, I think the Golden Triangle is a mall? Also I know the difference between La Cañada, Flintridge, and Glendale. I also know where Compton stops and you get to Carson, and Paramount. Hawthorne has SpaceX!
Things have changed, I’ve forgotten much of my past.
On March 12 2019 07:42 Acrofales wrote: Yeah, so MZ isn't around. Shame. He's probably scum. Not because he's afk right now, but because he:
1. He was active D1 and his spreadsheet looked really good, but he hasn't updated it.
2. He was afk at the end of the day, but was very active immediately post-flip. Seeing as all wagons were town, town doesn't want to rock the boat. Being "afk" is pretty safe for that.
3. He hard town read HF and BH, but never really made an effort to push anything else.
4. Did nothing all the next day, came in right at the end and threw his vote on sentinel at the end of everything and his vote barely mattered anymore.
Behavior is pretty typical of lurkscum. Would lynch.
Acro just read like 1 of every 5 posts in my filter
On March 12 2019 13:48 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Well folks, that's all the time we have for tonight's edition of the Dead Zone Show. Sweet dreams Liquidia. Remember to send in your fan mail and we'll be sure to read it out on air during the next show.
Our paths will cross again soon!
Dear Dead Zone Show:
I have found it strange that my inability to read anyone has caused me to go slowly from universal townreadedness (how would I say that? Oh from being generally regarded as townie) to a stronger and more universal scum read from my fellows. My alignment didn’t change; So I have to ask, is not the General methodology this town is using, somewhat of a failure? Can we agree on that? What then, is a reliable metric to use to find criminals, without as much risk of the costly error of assigning a sentence to the innocent?
Also, how can one who has found that spending the time to pick up a $100.00 bill would cost him more than he would make keeping it, prove innocence quickly and concisely?
I posit this is impossible, and ask that people read my filter. Is it so bad?
What is your take? Are the eyes of Svengali upon my filter?
I posit I lack the skill.
But
May this town Mowglify. Despite how our bagheeras are all deeply entranced (shot) mayhap we can push kaa
On March 12 2019 14:01 Chezinu wrote: Dear Mr. Wiggles.
If you are mafia and are roleplaying cause you know it make me want to never lymch you... its working... and then you vote not me... making want to save .myself more...
My good man
What is this
We’re you feeling the guilt or did He ask you to witness?
Mayhap I have been treating you alike to Holyflare
On March 12 2019 23:46 Onegu wrote: Also I found my post where I learned to read slam
No, my meta read is good on slam rsoultins is bad. Count how many times he has said chupazi, Svengali, or hijole this game(after day post) multiply by (5-day #) then subtract he post count (including pregame) if you are in the negative he is scum. In the positive he is town.
Hijole sson (you forgot sson) you see not with the eyes of CHUPAZI, forsooth this can be gamed so easily and would give me the power of Svengali over everyone
The blessing of the eyes causes people to trust in the Wisdom of the Crowds which distrusts this condition
On March 12 2019 23:46 Onegu wrote: Also I found my post where I learned to read slam
No, my meta read is good on slam rsoultins is bad. Count how many times he has said chupazi, Svengali, or hijole this game(after day post) multiply by (5-day #) then subtract he post count (including pregame) if you are in the negative he is scum. In the positive he is town.
Hijole sson (you forgot sson) you see not with the eyes of CHUPAZI, forsooth this can be gamed so easily and would give me the power of Svengali over everyone
The blessing of the eyes causes people to trust in the Wisdom of the Crowds which distrusts this condition
This post doesn't count.
It's like how chezinu's "seal of townieness" only works as long as people are willing to believe he won't fuck over his own town meta for a single (last) game as scum.
The moment you are super self-aware of your "meta" tells, you try to copy them as scum.
The reason the "seal of townieness" worked was because people were willing to fuck over their team, and just get lynched in any game they were scum, in order to be able to use their "confirmed town" meta play when town. It was, of course, a total cop-out and not quite sure what the site rules said about such play, but it only works if you never post it as scum, and it definitely shouldn't be believable in this "last game".
HF: Moved off: Slam, BC Moved on: Mocsta, [UoN]Sentinel, Pandain, sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, Fecalfeast, iamperfection, Damdred, ExO_, Trfel
Palmar: Moved off: Mocsta Moved on: Conversion, Alakaslam, LightningStrike, BC, Blazinghand
Seems obvious that BC didn't want dirty hands with a Palmar kill. And sentinel is obviously self-preservation. But I don't really know what to make of the rest.
From the general behaviour, my gut says that scum don't know sentinel is scum and aren't trying to protect him by voting HF. They also don't feel like getting their hands dirty lynching Palmar (as evidenced by BC jumping off) despite it being their most desirable outcome. So our best bet is to hunt for people who try to make Palmar look bad, but don't vote HF in D1.
There's probably 1 scum on the HF wagon (beside sentinel), but I don't get the feeling that they really tried here. This was town derping about, imho.
People who judiciously steered clear of both wagons: darthfoley, Tumblewood, Koshi, Oatsmaster, chezinu, onegu, rels
On March 03 2019 16:26 Acrofales wrote: K, 1 1/2 hours of morning posts before I'm sailing all day again.
Summary of the night:
##mayor Palmar
zzz
this is why the sent push is pointless
Why is this pointless? Walk me through it. I disagree with lynching sent (although I do want him dead). I'm all for putting that responsibility squarely on Palmar's shoulders.
And no, waiting til n1 to start playing the game seriously is not acceptable as town.
36? players. You either believe him about his role pm blahness or don't. If you don't, by all means push it. If you do it's boring. People won't lynch Chez on the assumping he can be vig'd. So can this guy.
And mostly it's an easy thing to agree with and excuse not doing anything else, innit?
Though props for not being that guy at least.
People won't lynch Chez because they don't think he's obviously scum. So if you want to lynch Chez make a better case than he's RPing the brown, because if you actually read his posts there's some decent amount of effort into understanding the game there, IMHO.
Sent is different. Let's assume he's telling the truth. In that case the only ppl who know his alignment are scum. If he's scum then they'll try to save him and if he isn't they'll try to kill him. Lynching him is not the best option, because there's far too much confusion in that wagon to get any information.
Now let's assume he's lying. I can't think of a town reason for doing this, and so he's scum. The rest is similar to above.
Enters Palmar: he claims to feel strongly about killing sent. So let him do it. All you need to decide is if Palmar is townie enough. But if we decide Palmar is townie enough to be mayor then he is free to kill whoever he likes. He sticks with sentinel and sentinel flips scum? We win, yay! Sheep Palmar into Armageddon. Sentinel flips town? We figure out if Palmars policy lynch is an ideological thing or a scum thing. Either way, we get information about Palmar out of this, which is a great thing to get out of D1.
Oh... I was just going to pretend to think Palmar is townie cause I really think him going after Sent if a really mafia Palmar thing to do if Sent was mafia.
Best make the mafia think you don't know to much if you want to survive the night.
This is... pretty terrible. I missed it earlier, but Chezinu clearly doesn't care about who becomes mayor as he sits all by his lonesome on his own mayor wagon. And this is his "read" on Palmar. I am starting to warm up to the Chezinu lynch.
But I wasn't intending to fixate on Chez. Lets move on.
On March 05 2019 06:38 Holyflare wrote: Palmar (11): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, Acrofales, Vivax, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, Trfel, Blazinghand
How has this guy got 11 people voting for him when his sole policy is only to kill Sentinel who doesn't even look bad?
Almost the entirety, if not THE entirety of this wagon is the sketchiest people in this game. It's even growing!
I don't think Vivax or TT are sketch but yea, there are some questionable names on that wagon.
Why isn't Palmar pushing for a Mocsta mayor lynch considering he grilled him for like 3 pages over stuff? I guess I can understand why not Conversion considering Conversion is a leading wagon, but the fact that Palmar has been around but hasn't backed off the Sentinel idea is bonkers.
We should be voting HF or Iamp as mayor imo
Throws shade. Does nothing. Also scum. This is too easy!
Oatsmaster Seems to avoid saying anything about Palmar directly, but not in a scummy way. He's reading the thread, he calls palmar out when he doesn't agree. I don't really see much either way here. Definitely not throwing shade like the above two.
Onegu Cntrl-f Palmar: 0 results. Uh oh.
Onegu hasn't quoted a post by Palmar. He has not talked to Palmar, and he has not talked about Palmar. Not once in this entire game. This also means he hasn't talked about the mayor kill by HF. Serious red flags going up here, as that is probably still the most momentous event in the game (maybe equalled by TW's vigi kill on BC and Pandain's dayvig, but still top 3).
Rels Doesn't mention reads on Palmar D1. But his D1 filter is like 7 posts or so, and half of those are fluff. Not mentioning Palmar doesn't seem like a big deal, as he doesn't mention most people. Still a bit suspect.
Conclusions:
DF, Chez and Onegu come away with quite a lot of egg on their face.
Man I wish I was scum because I am so fucking terrifying no one will read my filter
On March 13 2019 03:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Acro and oats are either of you looking for reads on particular people?
I'm mainly looking for reads on you with this line of questioning. Any insight into the wagons of the day would be appreciated tho.
Those seem to be: you, TS, Chez, DF, maybe FF, maybe Slam.
I've had chez as town since d1, i wouldn't feel comfortable lynching into him until it was like 2v1 and I had a strong read on the other person.
I still think FF is scum.
I reread DF earlier today, i wouldn't put him as my number 1 scum read but he definitely pushed a lot of bad wagons that ended up on town.
[b]I have no idea how to read slam[/b{
TS could be scum.
Also another note on rels: why in the world was rsoul shot instead of him? Like the whole mason thing pretty much confirmed her as town in many people's eyes but then scum shot TT and Ace instead of any other claims?
On March 12 2019 23:46 Onegu wrote: Also I found my post where I learned to read slam
No, my meta read is good on slam rsoultins is bad. Count how many times he has said chupazi, Svengali, or hijole this game(after day post) multiply by (5-day #) then subtract he post count (including pregame) if you are in the negative he is scum. In the positive he is town.
On March 13 2019 08:04 Vivax wrote: Okay so I just spent an hour reading the last 15-20 pages. I get why y'all are annoyed with me for low activity but that's just the way the cookie has crumbled.Don't expect cases cuz I'm on one handed mobile
I don't understand why everyone is shocked Ace got NK'd. I'm pretty sure he's some old
FULL STOP THIS IS TOO ANNOYING
So you're telling me you wrote this on a phone, one handed.
You put in spaces after the commas, you capitalize everything correctly. You even quote a goddamn post.
DF is lying guys. There is no human being on this earth patient enough to put up with all that shit one handed. Hell, I've tried retyping this on a computer with my right hand and by the time I stopped, 2:55 had passed.
If df actually did what he claimed to have done, then he'd probably have needed more time than that. And on top of it, he'd have gone insane by the time he finished.
Just try it out for yourself. Also bring a volunteer in to do it on mobile.
On March 13 2019 06:55 darthfoley wrote: Okay so I just spent an hour reading the last 15-20 pages. I get why y’all are annoyed with me for low activity but that’s just the way the cookie has crumbled. Don’t expect cases cuz I’m on one handed mobile
I don’t understand why everyone is shocked Ace got NK’d. I’m pretty sure he’s some old school legend and he had just beaten a lynch. Mafia was probably just afraid he’d come out guns blazing. TW was an obvious kill; TT I thought had been finally Town and doing the TT thing of being in his own bubble and pushing things that people didn’t interact with. Of any of them, he’s the guy I’d peg as dying for having correctly identified scum.
Definitely getting to the point where having vixax and Acro around w/ only one scum flipped on D4 is sus. I’m moreso sus of Acro because there was a lot of heat on him D1, he wiggles out of it, hasn’t really been scum read since, claimed blue and is still living. Compare that to Ace who survived one round of lynching and was immediately kaput. Plus he’s pushing me today instead of trying to figure out FF/Chez. I know that means nothing to you guys, but I’m easy lynch bait this far into the game (deservedly so). I still fail to see his issue with my handling of the mayor vote D1, but he tries to make that some coup de grace.
Part of me still thinks that we caught MZ warly day one and somehow talked ourselves out of it days later. He pulled out some ExO quote from his filter but misrepresented it for another easy lynch candidate. Also
On March 13 2019 03:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 13 2019 03:40 Acrofales wrote:
On March 13 2019 03:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Acro and oats are either of you looking for reads on particular people?
I'm mainly looking for reads on you with this line of questioning. Any insight into the wagons of the day would be appreciated tho.
Those seem to be: you, TS, Chez, DF, maybe FF, maybe Slam.
I've had chez as town since d1, i wouldn't feel comfortable lynching into him until it was like 2v1 and I had a strong read on the other person.
I still think FF is scum.
I reread DF earlier today, i wouldn't put him as my number 1 scum read but he definitely pushed a lot of bad wagons that ended up on town.
I have no idea how to read slam
TS could be scum.
Also another note on rels: why in the world was rsoul shot instead of him? Like the whole mason thing pretty much confirmed her as town in many people's eyes but then scum shot TT and Ace instead of any other claims?
This is the most shallow reasoning of me being scum ever. In a game where ONE scum has been lynched. I haven’t been active enough to push wagons, and even if I did I’m part of a town that has almost exclusively pushed town wagons. Acro and MZ pushing me with little substance besides, “he’s inactive!” when we have two mad hatter sort of claims and neither one got targeted last night is poo poo. Sure it might be OMGUS but it’s apparently the last TL mafia game so sue me.
I feel like I have no idea what Rels or Mocsta have posted about anything. Rels seems too cordial and Mocsta too sensitive. But tbf I haven’t read huge chunks of the game.
From my understanding of how the claims went down, plus what SL said, Chez is probably scum and should be lynched.
Oats and Grack feel unconstrained from mafia agenda and feel Town. FF is probably legit unless they really are on some last game 3D chess. L I think ExO is just a town like me who got overwhelmed and decided they didn’t care as much as they expected to; we had similar reactions to a few events in the game.
Onegu/Wiggles/TS/etc I haven’t read enough of them to know. If you put s rope around my neck and forced me to choose, wiggles RP feels authentic and townie, TS has been so far under the radar that he may have become the radar
On March 13 2019 11:15 LightningStrike wrote: Dear faithful host: What you think of Moscta's KP stuff from this page? Sincerely, LS
Your host is not sure exactly how we're supposed to be reading the spreadsheets that were provided by local accountant turned crime fighter, Mocsta. For the original analysis, we at the show will assume the simplest solution until evidence to the contrary surfaces:
Mafia have had what looks like 3 KP the last three cycles
Either the traitor didn't count for KP or the loss of one traitor + one mafioso wasn't enough to reduce KP (former seems more likely than latter)
The veteran was role-blocked on N1. It's possible another KP was involved, but there's no evidence of this (no claim, no unclaimed KP role flips) and we do have evidence that a RB existed (BC flip)
Given Mocsta's post (included for reference), this would be Option 2, Option 1, Option 1 for the nights.
On March 13 2019 11:29 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Given the ongoing Brown Bomber case, we at the Dead Zone Show have assembled a crack investigative team to look into some of the allegations surrounding Chezinu. After hours of research, interviews, and fact-checking, we have managed to put together the following piece of evidence which is sure to blow the case wide open once again:
On March 12 2019 08:00 kitaman27 wrote:
Day 4
I would include some flavor text here, but it got delayed.
Tumblewood the Town Delayed Vigilante has died. (Cannot shoot on first night. Single bullet.) Tictock the Vanilla Townie has died. Ace the Vanilla Townie has died.
You have 48 hours to determine the next lynch. The day ends on Wednesday, Mar 13 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
On March 12 2019 09:13 Fecalfeast wrote: My bomb was on chezinu for the record
For the less astute amongst you, we direct your attention towards the dates and times highlighted above in red. As we can clearly see, local demolitions expert Fecalfeast made his post regarding the placement of explosives under Chezinu's cardboard box over an hour after the daily news had been delivered. Therefore, the timeline positing that scum were able to see where Fecalfeast had decided to lay his bombs before deciding whether to shoot him is incorrect.
Overall, we are saddened by yet another lynch partially driven by incorrect facts. We recall when people were pushing for Chezinu's death last cycle based on the claim that a 'Lurker Vigilante' would need to have at least one scum in their list despite Acrofales having given a clear description of how the targets had been chosen. The fact that dearly departed Ace had latched on to that piece of misinformation shows that even the best amongst us can fall victim to not reading the danged thread.
Nobody thought or thinks I claimed before the night post but if I'm counterclaiming someone who do you think im putting my bomb on?
We would like to point out at least one person who explicitly thought that FF's target came out before the Day post:
On March 12 2019 22:16 sicklucker wrote: Great rels masoned the most easy to convince townie. Honestly does not say much about his alignment I would do it too. but FF didnt get shot last night so chez is confirmed mafia. I think I will jsut say this in every post untill he is dead
Why does FF not getting shot townconfirm him? Two possibilities:
1. He's mafia himself. 2. Mafia believes his claim and fears he has a bomb on one of them.
I still need to read FF's filter, but this mindless zerg onto Chez's wagon stinks. Chez looks bad. I agree. But this wagon looks awful.
But why would Mafia think FF would be lying about his bomb placement?
No. If mafia thinks FF is a townie hatter and has a bomb on a townie, he is dead. So the two reasons mafia don't shoot him are the ones above. In only one of those two is he town. So I don't see how FF living confirms him as town.
I guess add a 3rd: they just want to keep the wifom alive.
In my catchup post I laid out 4 scenarios. I agree, FF isn’t confirmed town. I think the most likely scenarios is he is, and Chezinu is mafia. I don’t think FF being town and mafia not shooting him because they think he lied about putting his bomb on Chezinu. There’s no reason for FF to lie about it as town and no reason for mafia to think he would be lying.
On March 12 2019 23:39 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm coming around to the idea of a chez lynch at the moment. The evidence is piling up against him and tubesock's post is quite convincing.
Mind you, I like the idea that ff, chez are both mafia. That would be fun.
I thought FF claimed the bomb during the night. That changes things quite a bit about the four scenarios. Have to look at who FF scummed. Maybe they were afraid one of them was the target and he was correct.
Given that information about Acro's role had to be repeated several times in thread by multiple people before it was no longer being used to push a Chezinu lynch, we do not consider attention to detail a strong suit of the members of our town, and there are likely more people who have made the same mistake.
As for the counter-claim angle, your host was under the impression that you would have put the bomb on your strongest scum read, especially given that the Chezinu claim seemed more likely to be trolling than a serious one. You said this yourself before the day post:
On March 11 2019 13:04 Chezinu wrote: Dear doctors and medics,
Do not protect me. My death will lead to more information... That is only if I die at night. Ace is an amazing investigator.
Caution: bombs can eliminate players that visit the player with the bomb when it goes off.
Wtf role si this?
On February 09 2010 16:02 Incognito wrote: Mad Hatter You may lay bombs on one player per night (maximum 2). If you are killed you will throw the switch and detonate them, killing the players (if they aren't protected by extra night lives, paramedics, or bodyguards). You may remove any number of them from players at any time during the night to get them back, but if a player is lynched with one on them while the you are still alive you lose that bomb for good. Bombs are refunded if the target is killed during the night.
Oh yeah.. it doesn't kill visitors.. does it? That would be so cool!!!
We really need to retry this end of the world game with more explosives!
For the record this is not like my role at all and I'm pretty sire chez is trolling at this point
On March 11 2019 05:08 Pandain wrote: I guarantee if I was scum shooting HF would be the last thing I do. That man was literally lynch bait on fire.
no scum wanted him dead . your definitely suspect. nk's made him town if you thought about ti logically like many of us did. If you had read the thread you would have realized everyone who was scum reading him including me suddenly town read him. but you decided to shoot him very scummy. very anti town.
I decided not to kill you tho and I honestly cant remember why. Oh ya day vig for mafia is less likely then town day vig. your safe bub
sicklucker pandain scumteam lol
"It's super scummy for a couple reasons but since your role is more likely town IMO (in a game with weird random roles that said it was normal) you're safe..." Seems pretty dismissive
On March 11 2019 06:32 Tumblewood wrote: FF who have you bombed
It's only one person per night and I get the bomb back if i don't die so it's irrelevant but ok
N1 i put it on HF
N2 I put it on onegu but changed it closer to deadline to ace
So, if the bomb placement was based on your reads, it could have been on any of Ace, Onegu, Pandain, SL, LS, Acro, or Chezinu (who you did vote for the lynch). If scum were playing conservatively based on your reads, then any of those (besides Ace) could have been the deterrent to your untimely demise.
Lastly, there is this question that we missed before diving your filter:
On March 11 2019 06:47 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm just wondering how chezinu thought to claim mad hatter you know? Random claim for fun that awkwardly happened to have a counterclaim?
Though it shames us to admit it, the delusion of being a bomber was placed in Chezinu's head by none other than your hosts at the Dead Zone Show!
On March 10 2019 10:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote: You said the same thing about Vivax apparently:
On March 06 2019 13:56 Chezinu wrote: I'm going with the I die you die tactic.
On March 06 2019 13:46 Chezinu wrote: Vivax Vivax Vivax Vivax Vivax Vivax Vivax
It is great to have ammunition against the mafia so that they don't kill ya!!!
Is this about to turn into a hostage negotiation?
It appears to us that Chezinu read our worried question into his threats of violence and ran with it, adopting the moniker of the Brown Bomber and wreaking terror on the citizens of Liquidia. This is why we at least consider the claim to be bunk, since it came out after we put it in Chezinu's head, and the claim had many inconsistencies and things made up about it on the fly. That it resulted in a real blue claim was an unintended side-effect.
On March 13 2019 13:04 Mocsta wrote: The problem with the seal is.. everyone is 5-10 years older. Its not like there is memento value in all of this to behold and cherish.
I still want tubesock out for ego stroking purposes. but yeah, not really fussed between the two.
On March 12 2019 13:48 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Well folks, that's all the time we have for tonight's edition of the Dead Zone Show. Sweet dreams Liquidia. Remember to send in your fan mail and we'll be sure to read it out on air during the next show.
Our paths will cross again soon!
Dear Dead Zone Show:
I have found it strange that my inability to read anyone has caused me to go slowly from universal townreadedness (how would I say that? Oh from being generally regarded as townie) to a stronger and more universal scum read from my fellows. My alignment didn’t change; So I have to ask, is not the General methodology this town is using, somewhat of a failure? Can we agree on that? What then, is a reliable metric to use to find criminals, without as much risk of the costly error of assigning a sentence to the innocent?
Also, how can one who has found that spending the time to pick up a $100.00 bill would cost him more than he would make keeping it, prove innocence quickly and concisely?
I posit this is impossible, and ask that people read my filter. Is it so bad?
What is your take? Are the eyes of Svengali upon my filter?
May this town Mowglify. Despite how our bagheeras are all deeply entranced (shot) mayhap we can push kaa
But I digress
Your host agrees that it has been hard to keep green friends for long in this violent period of upheaval. We all have some people that we can trust, or that our gut tells us are allies, but we can only rely on that so far.
At a certain point we have to delve in to the darker parts of our society, to expose the rank belly of corruption that underlies our fair town. It is important to differentiate between those who have dark intentions behind their words and violence in their hearts than those poor souls who are genuinely confused and lost amidst the turmoil.
We ourselves at the Dead Zone Show look for those who veil their intentions behind layers of misdirection, and who change conviction at the first sign of resistance or opportunity. These people often change their masks, but if you keep a close eye out you can sometimes glimpse the monster that lays beneath.
We must admit we have not paid the closest attention to your own writings, which is interesting as they prove quite long at 18 pages. Overall, you have not stuck out to us so far this game as a problem. Perhaps at a later time we'll do a more in-depth read, but for now consider yourself solidly null. Does this free you from the bonds of green and red that held you? Let our read fill you with determination to follow your own heart and root out scum wherever they live. We're looking forward to it.
On March 14 2019 05:35 Pandain wrote: Honestly I just want one of MZ or Onegu lynched. But town needs to consolidate like last time or else mafia will make sure town gets lynched.
On March 02 2019 20:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote: As I said before. I have night continental shifts so my activity this weekend will be sporadic.
Current reads that matter.
Rsoultin Iamperfection
Chezinu
Now to go into the why.
Iamperfection has literally done nothing so far this game thus far. He accused chez for posting to post while providing next to - content in his own posts. The one post he makes where he outlines a "read" he doesn't go into it at all then back burners it to harass someone for not playing at the level he wants. I also hate people who talk about what any power role should do day 1 (actively talking about vig shots) as that leads to the potential of power roles outing themself to be sniped by mafia.
Rsoultin. The guy accuses a player (Chezinu) of posting fluff rp posts that provide no content. This post specifically screams at every core of my being.
On March 02 2019 20:27 rsoultin wrote: Pft. Chez was just such a non-entity in his roleplay posts. I don't care about the roleplay. It's just if he's engaged enough in the thread to roleplay, and also to try to communicate with other players and make comments about the game, I expect something shiny and smart from him. It doesn't have to be new.
But what he was giving were non-committal turds and I don't even know what that spoilered lynch list or ls emoticon thing was about.
Chezinu is a known quantity to RP in mafia games. Hes literally done it in some capacity in basically every game I can remember playing in with him. He always provides some form of content in said posts. He has literally given reads on players, and has been providing actual content without RP for a fucking change. Chez has clearly been doing more to push some form of conversation on players to force them to voice opinions. Clearly done more to help this game than most to this point.
Yes the guy has had some shit posts, but hes also playing the game seriously.
This post btw
Lynch chez
imagine a mafia defending a town chez but pushing a town hf
On March 14 2019 08:25 Acrofales wrote: Kill onegu tomorrow. He was pushing chezinu above all else.
I don't think vivax is scum for this. But all the last minute hopping was pretty dumb. Why the fuck are all the townies jumping about 2 minutes before lunch?
On March 14 2019 13:23 Mocsta wrote: This will be my last post for cycle This is just a gut feel dump of where I stand with remaining player count in My care factor is pretty low and I cant be bothered re-reading the game. Its pretty annoying that I still wake up to 10 pages and majority of it is what I surmise as "policy discussion". Yes, Im contributing to that shitpool too. I get it and am disgusted at myself. I never read the first 50 pages of the game, and stopped reading critically after day2 lynch.
The game needs to migrate towards what Acro did with Chez claim. That was incredible. Absolutely outstanding, and even before the lynch, you could see Chez broke out of character to congratulate out of shock.
At least one of Acro/Pandain has to be shot tonight. One thing to consider is that Fecalfeast lost his bomb due to the chez lynch. So unfortunately there is no incentive for scum to shoot him. This will be an interesting point as we get closer to MYLO. I assume next cycle isnt lylo?
Onegu- I can only recall him focused on reads and semantics. Very one-track focused. Probably scum.
Fecalfeast - I dont remember anything about this guy other than the claim. Odd thing to fake and took the "roleplay" with chez seriously. I would only consider scum at lylo.
LightningStrike - Again, i dont remember anything this guy has said. Like a constantly available puppy dog waiting to be fed. Has to be town.
Oatsmaster - Had a strong Day1 and has completely faded. Unlike me, has not cited the game size and progression as a deterrent. Very bullish when comes back in, not working with town even though not a key contributor. I find that scummy. I would seriously consider a lynch as maybe 2nd or 3rd scum option.
sicklucker - Again, I cant remember a single thing about this guy. I think hes posting a lot but i just cant recall what his focus is. I would be fucked if LYLO was sl/ff/me.
Acrofales-I believe the claim. He really stepped up this Day cycle. I will give it to him. That chez piece was beautiful. Im dropping the 3P thing altogether.
Jockmcplop-Strong Day1+2 town read. Tapered off Day3/4, and I think this drop off is exhaustion and confusion similar to my own. Just the way he explained it, I really resonated with. Ride or Die for me.
ExO_-Im sticking with my lone wolf play. Its interesting. Him and oats are doing a similar thing so why am i townreading exo and not oats. I think its because exo is still playing within the boundaries of thread sentiment which I think is more likely to be town lone wolf. Oats is just completely out of sync with game state.
Vivax-Im trusting the flipped townies here. Rayn/rsuoltin etc. i stopped reading him yonks ago.
Grackaroni-I thought was town Day1/2. I dont think his push on me is scum setting up a mislynch. he probably believes it. I should read his day1/day2 stuff in detail like i promised. I cant remember much other than he picked up on some really good off-beat stuff. "hipster" town
tubesock-Following read from Chez + Acro.
Pandain-Is trying too hard for scum +all this confirmed town shit just draws attention to him being shot. I could revisit at LYLO, but frankly, I would be shocked if he got there
darthfoley-I had to pause before choosing null or red. If i could distill DF this game. hes saying things that feel good, but is ending up in shit places. I think thats pretty scummy.
Mocsta-dduhhhhh
Meapak_Ziphh-Again, I cant remember anything about this guy. He seems to come in and bark at thread sentiment but not doing anything to change it.
Mr. Wiggles-My weakest of town reads. Dunno, about this. Again, I cant remmeber shit about his vote progressions. Seems to be a recurring theme. Game is too big. Seems to be an older / more mature version of Lightning Strike in the sense of puppy dog waiting to be fed. A town point in his favour is that the posting frequency and tone has been consistent.
Alakaslam-Another ball of nothingness. Is always posting but i dont see a purpose. Also, I dont think he was getting horny over Chez like he normally does. Scum to town could be an explanation
Rels-When I think of Rels, I think, wasted opportunity. Everything seems to be limp. I dunno how much of this could be IRL. I dont think his submissive as scum, so could be explained by other factors. I dunno.
Ironically this makes some sense to me. Even Day2. Lynch HF first is justifiable as policy so its ok they bandwagoned. Sentinel is by himself as traitor.
Nice.
This isn’t for funnies- you will actually tunnel on this because it’s too damn good
On March 14 2019 16:04 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Your hosts here at the Dead Zone Show would like to make their reads more clear. Most of this should have reasoning in our filter, besides a couple town reads we haven't mentioned and the null/uncertains. This is where people currently stand from strongest to weakest read in each category on the LiquidiaHotSingles list:
Town:
Mr. Wiggles (I know my role!) Pandain (HF shot + Sent push + posting) Acrofales (Had this read for a while, posting) LightningStrike (#1 Dead Zone Show fan) Grackaroni (Posting) Vivax (Posting) Mocsta Meapak_Ziphh Alakaslam (To make slam feel happy and included ) ayyy thxm8
Null or not paid a ton of attention to:
Fecalfeast (Claim is not confirmed, but not worth looking at as a lynch yet) sicklucker ExO_
I have no idea. Because nobody has taken control of this boat?
Or because you think scum is captaining the boat?
Or because you really want to be in charge of rations?
Anyway, back to task.
I don't trust Mocsta's claim, rescinding it, or any of the reasoning around it. DF is probably scum, from my read through yesterday, but Oats is a sure thing.
On March 16 2019 02:43 LightningStrike wrote: Wait it is lylo if Onegu's claim is true because it's 8-5-1 assuming 7 mafias in this game I dumb telled on accident >.<
That bird hangs out with hot chicks And tells naysayers they can fuck off, “while I enjoy my pizza and beer” (Sylvia the current owner. Has a house in Sugarloaf too. Near Big Bear.)
On March 18 2019 07:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I don't even feel like there was that much "spam" as characterized by off topic posting. Just a lot of active people trying to solve the game.
EPT
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