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On March 05 2019 18:09 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 18:05 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 05 2019 18:04 rsoultin wrote:On March 05 2019 17:55 Jockmcplop wrote:
I don't get the palmar kill.
I get why hf would say he's going to lynch palmar but I really thought he was going to go on something stronger than 'Well I said I would' when deciding who to kill. He had already got himself a ton of info, could have got even more by killing someone else.
My townread on rsoultin is fading fast. Something about the way she kickstarted the trfel train and the got out of the way at the last second. That's fair. I think I look bad, too xD I will say though that all this 'I didn't think he'd do what he said he would' stuff is pretty blah. HF did it. Figure out what that makes him. This just reads like you don't want to be associated with the flip. This is exactly what I intend to do. What are you thinking about hf currently? Him lynching Palmar changes absolutely nothing for me lol >< I am not the sort of idiot who thinks that someone being wrong makes them scum, or that going after a 'top town player if he's town' makes them scum (biased here cause I know I'm town but whatevs). I'm willing to admit that I could be wrong on him just like any other player, but I still think how he's played and how he interacted with rayn in particular when they were fighting comes from a town HF. And I'd like to be right about something so there's that lol ><
I don't know if he was 'wrong' about palmar or uncommitted to any POV and just playing some other game. That's how it reads to me anyway.
That isn't a town or mafia read yet so much as a wtf. Many of his interactions seem townie and I'm leaning that way at the moment.
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On March 05 2019 18:22 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 18:18 Acrofales wrote:
My maybe list above is bad.
BH is probably a VT.
And if he is, I think his calmer analysis of conversion might make sense. I did like how Marv immediately entered the thread as if he was excited to play. As scum there'd be no urgency and he'd slum it with his homies in the QT, acting as if he wasn't around before being forced to make an appearance here today. His mere presence makes him more townie.
Also, @rsoul: sheeping Palmar to victory is a fantastic strategy that I'll happily follow. doesn't strike me as any less lazy just because palmar's name is shiny
Since when is lazy a bad thing if it catches scum?
Also, have I been lazy this game?
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On March 05 2019 18:22 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 18:18 Acrofales wrote:
My maybe list above is bad.
BH is probably a VT.
And if he is, I think his calmer analysis of conversion might make sense. I did like how Marv immediately entered the thread as if he was excited to play. As scum there'd be no urgency and he'd slum it with his homies in the QT, acting as if he wasn't around before being forced to make an appearance here today. His mere presence makes him more townie.
Also, @rsoul: sheeping Palmar to victory is a fantastic strategy that I'll happily follow. doesn't strike me as any less lazy just because palmar's name is shiny
In fact, join my maybe list.
This is going well.
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On March 05 2019 18:04 rsoultin wrote:
I'm willing to admit that I could be wrong on him just like any other player, but I still think how he's played and how he interacted with rayn in particular when they were fighting comes from a town HF. And I'd like to be right about something so there's that lol ><
See tina, here's what bugs me about your "thing" on me this game.+ Show Spoiler + It doesn't matter what the actual content is, here you just blindly believed HF on D1 because he was talking how you would expect him to talk as some alignment -- while just about everything he said about me was factually incorrect. It's very easy to come up with some nonsense allegedly mafia-traits and apply them to people's posts without actually thinking if it makes the person mafia or not. Just because me talking through people (you) annoys you doesn't make me mafia because that's what i do when i get annoyed. Holyflare maybe 80% legit thinks it makes me mafia but apparently he doesn't remember one game past unless it's something he wants to remember. Also i was never ever trying to be dick towards you. Please go read your scumread on me and actually think about what it says and what can i ever say about it in case i am town. Like i used the sentence "Surprise i do things that i do as town as mafia aswell?" ... You took that personally and that's not what my intention was. Since the game Holyflare hosted and i lost after playing (or at least trying) more than i ever have as scum i have changed my game a looooot, not because you caught or "caught" me D1 and i had to bus JAT, but because i started thinking how to actually play against other players as mafia. I try to say things the people i am talking to want to hear. It's not just you who i am "playing against" (referring to our conversation some years ago you cited), it's whoever i am playing against. And i try to do it as i would imo do it as town, when i am talking to them. That's why i think it's really bs to try to tonally see the difference because there usually isn't (i think you've proved it already). Also it is bs because there is no way for me to answer it in any way, other than basically "fuck you". 
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Blazinghand
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On March 05 2019 17:06 AMG wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 16:50 Blazinghand wrote:On March 05 2019 16:42 AMG wrote:On March 05 2019 16:31 Blazinghand wrote:On March 05 2019 15:51 AMG wrote:
151 pages... you cannot be serious!
I started playing here nearly a decade ago under the name Adam4167, some of you ive played with, most of the rest Ive spectated games you were in.
Now, if someone could tell me on a scale of 1 to 10 the level of shit ive waded into, 1 being my socks would get wet and 10 being if i open my mouth I die of E.coli? I can't talk about pages 1-100 but as Day 1 came to an end, there was a 3-way race for mayor between Holyflare and Palmar, and to a lesser extent Iamperfection. There was no clear lead for who would be lynched, with Trfel, Oats, Acro, and Conversion all hitting 4-5 votes at one point or another. With about 6 hours left in the day, I came by and basically admitted there was no way I was going to read the first 100 pages, and said that it would be fine to lynch me so someone else would have a chance to play through Day 2 and enjoy the game (basically martyring). I lobbed down a self-vote (which later turned out to be not allowed), and voted for the guy who most recently got a mayor vote, Palmar. Following this, I got a wave of votes - from HF, Acro, Grack, and Iamp, who seemed extremely pleased with himself for figuring out that he should vote me. Over the next couple of hours, mayor voting consolidated, with HF and Palmar being neck and neck, and iamp falling behind. HF ran on a platform of lynching Palmar, and Palmar ran on a platform of lynching Sent for a variety of reasons inclusive of a policy lynch of Sent for failing to read his role PM. with about a half an hour left in the game, rayn, FF, iamp, Damdred brought HF to several votes over HF, pushing him into a comfortable lead over Palmar, and most of the votes consolidated onto either me or Trfel. with 10 minutes left, HF basically had the mayor vote locked up, 4 votes ahead of Palmar, thanks to Damdred and Iamp also hopping on his mayor wagon. For the lynch, I had 10 votes to Trfel's 9: Blazinghand (10): Holyflare, Grackaroni, iamperfection, Oatsmaster, WaveOfShadow, raynpelikoneet, Trfel, Vivax, rsoultin, Conversion Trfel (9): Tubesock, sicklucker, [UoN]Sentinel, Koshi, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jockmcplop, Acrofales You'll note my vote isn't on Trfel here, I keep it on Iamp since he's a shitter and I don't want to accidentally get someone other than me lynched. The last 10 minutes are shenannies: Exo comes in and votes me, making it 11-9. 3 minutes to the deadline, Vivax swaps over from me to Trfel, tying it up at 10-10 (though i'll be lynched in this tie) 2 minutes to the deadline, Lightingstrike jumps from his irrelevant rsoultin vote onto me, making it 11 votes on me, 10 on Trfel. 1 Minute from the Deadline, conversion hops off of me and onto Trfel, causing Trfel to have 11 votes and me to have 10. Trfel flips Doctor. HF uses his mayoral power to kill Palmar, the backup Cop. An attempted self vote BH? youve changed man! In the world you're pitching to me, where both you and Trfel are town, why are these people switching votes with 1-2 minutes left on the clock at all, rather than just doing nothing? There's a couple of possibilities. for vivax and conversion, they might be townies who legitimately think Trfel was suspicious, and in their heart they nullread me and hope I get vigied or mayor-killed. Trfel was whining a lot as the deadline approached, which might have contributed to them dislike him. If they're scum, the last minute shenannies may have been for any reason - perhaps they thought I was sure to be a VT due to my lack of concern with being killed, and Trfel was Blue due to his whining (both of which turn out to be true), or in the case of Scum-Vivax, hoping to look like someone who tried and failed to avert the tragic lynch of town blazinghand since his voteswap didn't actually save me. For LS, I think he just accepted my martyring as "scum or useless, let's kill him" and realized his vote on rsoultin was doing literally nothing. if he's scum, he might ahve been trying to get onto a main wagon to avoid suspicion for staying out of the main battle. despite HF's promise to shoot Palmar with the mayor power, maybe they thought he'd use it on me. Maybe (and perhaps correctly) they figured I'd be vigged anyways. maybe they thought my lynch would be boring and provide little info. And in any case, if you're scum, making a bit fuss out of two competing town wagons can make you look good if you pull it off right, since... well, imagine you have a theory of "BH is scum, and conversion, his scumbuddy, saved him at the last minute" In this case, you lynch or vig BH first, because conversion's scum-nature is contingent on mine. And if you're conversion, you know town will think this, and lynch me first, and when I flip town, Conversion is then off the hook. by shenanniying from me onto Trfel, he sets up a Day 2 mislynch, theoretically speaking. though that's fairly WIFOMey, it's the kind of play I like to do as scum. I'm sure there are others who use it. Yeah thats fairly WIFOM stuff, Ill have to read how the lynch played out myself and get back to you. If you could flip 3 people right now, who are they?
Me, HF, and Conversion would lay clear all the facts about what went down at the end of D1. I think a lot of questions and WIFOM get washed away when HF and conv flip, and doubly so for me - at least from the POV of people who aren't me. Also, flipping me now means our blues get to take better night actions, freeing up a vigi shot for someone else. A lot of the meat of what we need to dig into is what went down as we rolled towards the deadline D1. We know HF killed Palm, who flipped blue, and Conv's vote on Trfel killed Trfel and saved me. Flipping HF and Conv who made these ruinous decisions would lay it all out. Flipping me would also end all this stupid analysis where people assume I'm scum and go from there.
Though it might be wiser to go back through and see who has contributed least and maybe sub them in for one or two of these guys, just because any low activity players you can't get a read on are going to be either scum or a liability in the lategame (since scum won't shoot them obvs)
And really, when it comes down to it, HF should have had his finger on that dial, ready to send in a "actually i'm killing BH" pm to hosts when it was a 1-vote spread between me and Trfel's wagon. I may be the shenanigan king, but lots of people know to stick around the deadline, particularly when things are so close.
Bear in mind, in the final moments leading up to the shenannies, HF is there, in the thread, comming on last minute mafia activity (link) and saying that I am a "secure mafia lynch" (3 minutes before deadline). HF was there, in the thread, when the votes shifted. He watched it happen. He complained about it. He said I was scum.
Bear in mind, if HF truly thinks I was scum, he knew that at that point, the vote was tied 10-10 and I hadn't yet voted! All I had to do was cast a vote on Trfel and Trfel would die and I would live, HF, supposedly thinking i'm scum and in this situation, while we're both in the thread, with minutes to go, who thinks i'm "secure" as mafia, apparently decided to go for Palmar instead.
In the end, HF hung out in the thread, watched the shenannies threaten to kill Trfel over me, tie up the vote with me still not voted on Trfel, then the vote goes onto Trfel and Trfel takes the lead, all while claiming I'm "secure mafia lynch"
if I were in this situation I would be on a hair trigger, ready to take down the "secure mafia lynch" that is only winning by a 1-vote margin in case of shenannies.
He will have many pretty, fancy reasons for why he did this, of course. He may even be town, town is wrong and screws up all the time. The host's vote counts were not very quick and accurate in the final minutes. But them's the things that happened. So yeah, I'd flip him along with me and conv ezpz and we'd see the truth.
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i'm done with you acro. go back to something interesting, if you can manage it. calling your maybes in your reads list bad was a good start
@jock uhhuh...yeah i don't get how you read this game and claim that hf didn't have a scumread on palmar that he made overwhelmingly clear multiple times including his intention to use the mayor lynch to vote him. if your uncommitted to any pov is your way of saying he's scum i guess that makes some sense but it's a lot of words just to nullread someone
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Blazinghand
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On March 05 2019 10:03 Holyflare wrote:
I ultimately ended up still lynching Palmar:
A) because my vote was locked in and I never really got to change it to BH when your slot and vivax saved him
B) I would much rather have fun with a lynch on a really polarising player to lynch instead of some shitty policy lynch anyway that may or may not have actually turned into a scum BH. We now have about 100 different reads on this lynch and we have the flip to boot. It wouldn't have been the same if Palmar didn't flip either.
I was tempted to vote some non-entity but that's really really fucking boring and wouldn't be fun.
I could see B as a valid reason here, but A is obviously bullshit, HF was in thread as it happened, watched it go down, commented on it, and still lynched Palmar.
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On March 05 2019 18:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 18:04 rsoultin wrote:
I'm willing to admit that I could be wrong on him just like any other player, but I still think how he's played and how he interacted with rayn in particular when they were fighting comes from a town HF. And I'd like to be right about something so there's that lol >< See tina, here's what bugs me about your "thing" on me this game. + Show Spoiler + It doesn't matter what the actual content is, here you just blindly believed HF on D1 because he was talking how you would expect him to talk as some alignment -- while just about everything he said about me was factually incorrect. It's very easy to come up with some nonsense allegedly mafia-traits and apply them to people's posts without actually thinking if it makes the person mafia or not. Just because me talking through people (you) annoys you doesn't make me mafia because that's what i do when i get annoyed. Holyflare maybe 80% legit thinks it makes me mafia but apparently he doesn't remember one game past unless it's something he wants to remember. Also i was never ever trying to be dick towards you. Please go read your scumread on me and actually think about what it says and what can i ever say about it in case i am town. Like i used the sentence "Surprise i do things that i do as town as mafia aswell?" ... You took that personally and that's not what my intention was. Since the game Holyflare hosted and i lost after playing (or at least trying) more than i ever have as scum i have changed my game a looooot, not because you caught or "caught" me D1 and i had to bus JAT, but because i started thinking how to actually play against other players as mafia. I try to say things the people i am talking to want to hear. It's not just you who i am "playing against" (referring to our conversation some years ago you cited), it's whoever i am playing against. And i try to do it as i would imo do it as town, when i am talking to them. That's why i think it's really bs to try to tonally see the difference because there usually isn't (i think you've proved it already). Also it is bs because there is no way for me to answer it in any way, other than basically "fuck you".
+ Show Spoiler +I appreciate you taking the time to address this. In my rsoul-oriented world I noticed you doing it to me and not you doing it to other people, which is why my focus was there. It's not BS because nothing the fuck I say when I'm town is BS and you should know that, so when you townread me and then say that (and this is probably a language barrier issue where you're saying I'm wrong in hindsight) it makes me think you're trying to wind me up. Nor do I think it's your fault that I get upset with you all the time, not really. We're cool. I may not play with you again because I let you get to me too much but we're cool outside of mafia.
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On March 05 2019 18:31 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 10:03 Holyflare wrote:
I ultimately ended up still lynching Palmar:
A) because my vote was locked in and I never really got to change it to BH when your slot and vivax saved him
B) I would much rather have fun with a lynch on a really polarising player to lynch instead of some shitty policy lynch anyway that may or may not have actually turned into a scum BH. We now have about 100 different reads on this lynch and we have the flip to boot. It wouldn't have been the same if Palmar didn't flip either.
I was tempted to vote some non-entity but that's really really fucking boring and wouldn't be fun. I could see B as a valid reason here, but A is obviously bullshit, HF was in thread as it happened, watched it go down, commented on it, and still lynched Palmar.
that and i think the flip took 40 minutes
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On March 05 2019 18:29 rsoultin wrote:
i'm done with you acro. go back to something interesting, if you can manage it. calling your maybes in your reads list bad was a good start
@jock uhhuh...yeah i don't get how you read this game and claim that hf didn't have a scumread on palmar that he made overwhelmingly clear multiple times including his intention to use the mayor lynch to vote him. if your uncommitted to any pov is your way of saying he's scum i guess that makes some sense but it's a lot of words just to nullread someone
At one point he said he wasn't going to lynch palmar and was just using the platform to find out who would go for it. The he said that was a lie.
This is the post that is making me question his motives and how genuine his palmar read was.
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Blazinghand
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On March 05 2019 18:37 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 18:31 Blazinghand wrote:On March 05 2019 10:03 Holyflare wrote:
I ultimately ended up still lynching Palmar:
A) because my vote was locked in and I never really got to change it to BH when your slot and vivax saved him
B) I would much rather have fun with a lynch on a really polarising player to lynch instead of some shitty policy lynch anyway that may or may not have actually turned into a scum BH. We now have about 100 different reads on this lynch and we have the flip to boot. It wouldn't have been the same if Palmar didn't flip either.
I was tempted to vote some non-entity but that's really really fucking boring and wouldn't be fun. I could see B as a valid reason here, but A is obviously bullshit, HF was in thread as it happened, watched it go down, commented on it, and still lynched Palmar. that and i think the flip took 40 minutes
yep, I was refreshing furiously the whole time. it was a very close race so hosts wanted to be extremely sure. I'd have at least, in HF's shoes, tried sending a PM post-deadline to ask to swap over to Blazinghand as the lynch target, if A was the real reason
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Well i guess i have explained all my scumreads so far. bbl now is sleepy time
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On March 05 2019 18:37 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 18:29 rsoultin wrote:
i'm done with you acro. go back to something interesting, if you can manage it. calling your maybes in your reads list bad was a good start
@jock uhhuh...yeah i don't get how you read this game and claim that hf didn't have a scumread on palmar that he made overwhelmingly clear multiple times including his intention to use the mayor lynch to vote him. if your uncommitted to any pov is your way of saying he's scum i guess that makes some sense but it's a lot of words just to nullread someone At one point he said he wasn't going to lynch palmar and was just using the platform to find out who would go for it. The he said that was a lie. This is the post that is making me question his motives and how genuine his palmar read was.
-squints at- are you referring to the thing he said right at deadline cause that negates my point not at all for everyone who was voting HF for mayor. i missed it if he said anything like that earlier
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On March 05 2019 18:37 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 18:29 rsoultin wrote:
i'm done with you acro. go back to something interesting, if you can manage it. calling your maybes in your reads list bad was a good start
@jock uhhuh...yeah i don't get how you read this game and claim that hf didn't have a scumread on palmar that he made overwhelmingly clear multiple times including his intention to use the mayor lynch to vote him. if your uncommitted to any pov is your way of saying he's scum i guess that makes some sense but it's a lot of words just to nullread someone At one point he said he wasn't going to lynch palmar and was just using the platform to find out who would go for it. The he said that was a lie. This is the post that is making me question his motives and how genuine his palmar read was.
Any town even half-reading the thread couldn't possibly have been confident in seeing Palmar as scum, and HF was absolutely paying attention to the thread, so there are two options:
1) He is absolutely terrible, but has an ego the size of a truck. We leave him alive and he repeats "leading" town to terrible reads and we lose.
2) He is scum. We leave him alive and we lose.
So either way he has to die. Pretty easy.
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On March 05 2019 18:40 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 18:37 sicklucker wrote:On March 05 2019 18:31 Blazinghand wrote:On March 05 2019 10:03 Holyflare wrote:
I ultimately ended up still lynching Palmar:
A) because my vote was locked in and I never really got to change it to BH when your slot and vivax saved him
B) I would much rather have fun with a lynch on a really polarising player to lynch instead of some shitty policy lynch anyway that may or may not have actually turned into a scum BH. We now have about 100 different reads on this lynch and we have the flip to boot. It wouldn't have been the same if Palmar didn't flip either.
I was tempted to vote some non-entity but that's really really fucking boring and wouldn't be fun. I could see B as a valid reason here, but A is obviously bullshit, HF was in thread as it happened, watched it go down, commented on it, and still lynched Palmar. that and i think the flip took 40 minutes yep, I was refreshing furiously the whole time. it was a very close race so hosts wanted to be extremely sure. I'd have at least, in HF's shoes, tried sending a PM post-deadline to ask to swap over to Blazinghand as the lynch target, if A was the real reason
Also, he took the time to troll the thread. Does a town troll like this?
On March 05 2019 09:00 Holyflare wrote:
lol I didn't kill palmar
This is just confusion and misinformation. There is no town reason to make this post.
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On March 05 2019 17:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:No takers. Hi 
Lamp's case gained plenty of traction. For a while I thought town might actually lynch me. Then they turned around and did something even dumber. But saying Lamp didn't get traction on his case is a pretty bad mischaracterization of what happened D1.
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On March 05 2019 17:11 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 17:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2019 17:07 marvellosity wrote:
What’s meapak not doing here that he normally would as town rayn?
First filter I looked at this game because it would be fun if I got to lynch him.
I ask for meta because ‘old hands not doing that much’ describes almost all of them I don't know i genuinely have zero meta on Meapak that i remember. Okay. The real reason I asked is cos I’d love it if sent were mafia and I didn’t want anything to dissuade that :p Acro cases decent tbh
If you're town, read my filter instead of Lamp's cherry picked case. If you're scum then carry on throwing shade with rayn. You two being buddies is not passing my smell test.
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On March 05 2019 18:54 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 18:37 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 05 2019 18:29 rsoultin wrote:
i'm done with you acro. go back to something interesting, if you can manage it. calling your maybes in your reads list bad was a good start
@jock uhhuh...yeah i don't get how you read this game and claim that hf didn't have a scumread on palmar that he made overwhelmingly clear multiple times including his intention to use the mayor lynch to vote him. if your uncommitted to any pov is your way of saying he's scum i guess that makes some sense but it's a lot of words just to nullread someone At one point he said he wasn't going to lynch palmar and was just using the platform to find out who would go for it. The he said that was a lie. This is the post that is making me question his motives and how genuine his palmar read was. -squints at- are you referring to the thing he said right at deadline cause that negates my point not at all for everyone who was voting HF for mayor. i missed it if he said anything like that earlier
On March 05 2019 06:29 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 06:22 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2019 06:20 sicklucker wrote:
na I need a confirmation too many rambos on this site who will shot vivax day 1 and waste are shit or something Iamp is advocating to lynch bh constantly. It is our best bet. Palmar tje fucker will shoot sentinel because palmar might be mafia. Holyflare will shoot Palmar because town!HF is not really top tier and he doesnt know better. I literally said I wouldn't.
On March 05 2019 06:29 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 06:29 Holyflare wrote:On March 05 2019 06:22 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2019 06:20 sicklucker wrote:
na I need a confirmation too many rambos on this site who will shot vivax day 1 and waste are shit or something Iamp is advocating to lynch bh constantly. It is our best bet. Palmar tje fucker will shoot sentinel because palmar might be mafia. Holyflare will shoot Palmar because town!HF is not really top tier and he doesnt know better. I literally said I wouldn't. But it was a lie.
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On March 05 2019 17:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also that particular post screams to me you have extra information.
This post screams to me you're throwing shade without actually caring one way or another, Mr Scumface.
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