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seems like every setup has at least 1 extra KP. This is a 13p game so I think it's a bit overkill (no pun intended). Swingy games emphasise luck more than skill I think. Setup A: What's stopping both the named VT and veteran from both claiming on day 1? You get two confirmed townies and one is guaranteed to be living by the next day. Even better, since the mafia have no framer, the parity cop can just check one of them to get a guaranteed-good check on N1. Even if a mafia counterclaims and the PC checks them, the mafia is guaranteed to flip within 2 cycles since a counterclaim in a known setup means both players die if the townie dies first. Setup B: Rolecop is 100% useless for mafia. I'm not sure there is a role here for mafia that can balance the setup because watcher is a stupid role that should never be used IMO. SK also makes mafia's job very hard because if town claims properly, mafia get stuck forcing both their KP and mislynches into a tiny pool of players. This is a terrible setup to be scum precisely because you have to both NK and try to mislynch the same group of people who are not PRs (as opposed to most other setups where the setup doesn't pigeonhole you) and people will get confirmed really fast. For instance there's a really strong town strategy, one mason claims day 1 and then the watcher watches that person. Watcher is pretty broken in this regard, because 1. mafia cannot counterclaim mason, 2. killing that mason confirms two people and simultaneously outs whoever killed the mason. Wandering miller does not really weaken town, even in the case where the wandering miller happens to visit the mason. (if this happens and the mason doesn't die, the watcher knows who it was because the mafia is not going to rolecop a claimer; if it happens and the mason does die, it's just a coin flip between two people. If 3 people visit, it's even better for town because that means the SK was found too) The SK just adds volatility, and I'm not sure 13p setups with an SK can be balanced properly. Setup C: This might be the most balanced of the setups if you replace the gunsmith with the traditional gunsmith role who can just tell whether the target has a gun or not (cops, mafia, PGOs have guns, and to make it interesting have all mafia return "has gun" even if the mafia is a GF, and have framer have no effect on this) However I think if minimum 2 out of 3 of the PRs for town survive by day 3 I think the game is won by town because the PRs can just claim on that day and compare checks. So while it might be balanced in relation to the other setups I don't know whether it is in actuality... Setup D: PGO is the same as innocent child in this setup. Mafia know which setup is rolled based on their team, so if someone claims PGO when the setup doesn't have one, they know it's a fake claim. If there is one, they know it's probably real. However the setup is broken by this because there's a jailer, so according to the way the roleblocks work, the jailer's roleblock will prevent the PGO's ability from going off, which means even if mafia RB + hit a claimed PGO, the PGO won't die if saved by the jailer. At any rate jailer + cop vs RB + GF/framer is balanced...PGO makes it heavily town-favoured. tl;dr I think these setups could trend more toward "normal" and the balance would be better | ||
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On April 02 2018 03:32 Fecalfeast wrote: I would take some suggestions on how to keep some of the more underused roles (PGO, gunsmith, SK, etc) if not I'll just make all the setups boring instead I think if you add a KP role for one side you should take all the others out. Keep in mind that PGO is effectively just a better named townie. Gunsmith is a good way to balance town KP but it doesn’t work well in small setups by itself I think. One way to balance it would be to give the gunsmith a gun to start with which could then be passed N1. SK is a toughie, you need enough PRs for both town and mafia to balance the extra KP but not too many or you’ll create breaking strategies. Jailer & cop type (+ vet, maybe) for town and strongman & RB for mafia might work. Or, allow mafia to “borrow” a KP to double stack (but gives up their KP the night after) which I think might help balance the KP effectively. Too many setups default mafia teams to GF/framer and these roles are useless most of the time. I think incorporating strongman & RB and foregoing framer types would help in KP balancing. If an SK is present a hybrid strongman would be cool. What I am thinking is basically a quality that the mafia team itself possesses (not tied to any player) such that every night the “strongman” action can either be taken offensively or defensively. If offensive, the KP is guaranteed kill. If defensive, the mafia team chooses a player to make veteran for the night. Make it usable twice only, not refundable if unnecessary. Mafia’s secondary role is RB. Then SK + Jailor + cop + veteran would probably be balanced because there is sufficient anti-KP/faction balance and there are no breaking claim strategies. Anyway IMO a lot of these roles are underused in normal games because...they’re not normal. lol. | ||
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*crosses fingers* | ||
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 Someone tell me the run down of who’s good and who’s not in this game. If it seems legit maybe I’ll actually consider you town | ||
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On April 08 2018 12:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: GB might be right on Calix but not for that reason. I am not sure why currentlyhomeless asks what he does, care to elaborate how on earth does that have any relevance on anything? Last post on Vivax is dumb, like super dumb, but probably town dumb.  why don’t you tell me and I’ll be nice to you? | ||
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colour me disappointed..with this many people who read my post but didn’t actually answer my question you can’t all be scum | ||
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On April 08 2018 18:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Right, and i am still waiting for the answer to how is that in any way relevant to finding mafia? Do you normally answer questions with more questions? If you can rub your fingers together you can probably figure out for yourself why someone who is obviously smurfing would be interested in knowing the state of the game these days. | ||
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On April 08 2018 18:34 Calix wrote: I don't believe that posting every thought I have about people is the most productive approach even in the early game. To use your own quote, there isn’t much point in me “doing” anything (whatever that means, posting stupid one liners?) especially this early. With that said, ##vote Holyflare ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/fSaMjic_d.jpg) | ||
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On April 09 2018 07:59 Holyflare wrote: K thanks. I'll ponder upon this. ##vote currentlyhomeless hoho I can’t believe it actually worked! hahahahahahahaahahaahahaahahahahaaha | ||
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threatened by an “RNG vote”, are we? | ||
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too scared to put your money where your mouth is? | ||
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On April 09 2018 14:25 Tubesock wrote: HF is solid null to me. I think your point concerning lack of nit picking makes him more likely town. I’m super unlikely to vote him. Exo, n00b, CH I would support lynching. It’s policy though. I was really hoping CH was BH and would post pics of moving boxes to be hilariously trolly. But it’s Kush. Who I generally find super funny too though so still fun. If he played. I really liked Oats stuff on Skynx and Calex. I like his straight to the point tone. He’s solid town for me. LOL you think I am kush hahahahaha should I be flattered? | ||
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On April 09 2018 14:45 Tubesock wrote: Do you think anyone but HF is scum? Do you think he’s scum? I don’t get your “trap”. Town OMGUS’ all the time. 1. By definition, yes. 2. Yes. | ||
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Yep, I’m the greatest! It would be great if you sheeped me and voted HF, cause HF is flipping scum. | ||
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rofl wtf | ||
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On April 09 2018 15:14 Tubesock wrote: Now I just think you’re role playing BH too much. I think BH would be very happy you said this! I wonder, if I repeat his name enough times will he post in this thread like kush did? blazinghand blazinghand blazinghand blazinghand blazinghand | ||
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how did you know?! I should call you GlowingWizard from now on for your divination skills | ||
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On April 09 2018 17:00 Tubesock wrote: I did laugh when his first post is a case on you. I didn’t read past page three on his filter. I’ll accept the point that he will always think you’re scummy in any game (if that’s your point). But the only similarities were the first post is a case about you. The games are a bit different. And if he’s self aware at all, something he likely would try to replicate as mafia. I’m up for lynching someone else I guess. Not HF though. What bugs you about HF? Let’s kill him! | ||
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On April 09 2018 17:55 n00bKing wrote: Would be a better question if Holyflare were voting against someone else instead of you. Rather than how he's just not voting. there we go... can you tell me what Holyflare actually did though? | ||
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On April 09 2018 18:54 Calix wrote: Didn't rayn, currentlyhomeless, etc, saying "you're not voting lol, put your money where your mouth is" not tip you off earlier, HF? HF ain’t got no time to read HF scum yo | ||
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On April 09 2018 19:52 n00bKing wrote: No. Can you tell me what Holyflare actually did? yeah, probably but if you can’t read that isn’t my problem. Are you kush? | ||
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On April 09 2018 21:50 Holyflare wrote: I reported this post for being too mafia orientated. are you kush? | ||
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what is happeniiiiigg | ||
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On April 09 2018 22:00 Vivax wrote: Cool so you are not interested into my alignment at all or explaining where I should be with my reads so I can dunk all of your expectations. Sorry, but I am willing and ready to go into detail about anything you want, but you refuse. I am still fully expecting you to do this: HF "Vivax should be reading this guy and this guy and this guy as this cause..." so I can do this: Vivax: "No but I actually read them as this cause l..." why doesn’t this post contain ##vote Holyflare I am so confused rn | ||
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On April 09 2018 22:04 Vivax wrote: To me you just look like either I am very close to figuring out your teammates or your teammate is up for lynch and you are trying to get a counterwagon going. bro there’s this thing called a vote sheep me | ||
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On April 09 2018 22:08 Vivax wrote: Eversince claimed gunsmith? That narrows it down. I am almost caught up chill (currently #410). Though I skimped a bit on fully reading GBs posts fully, will have to get back to it within the day. are you bussing HF?? someone as great as me can’t be wrong about HF but you not voting HF is making my legs itch also what is with TL flood restricting me i’m not a river wtf | ||
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On April 09 2018 22:33 Eversince wrote: If I live the night I will either give my gun to Rayn or Calix. Probably Calix because I like her reads. you should give it to me so I can shoot HF if he lives today’s lynch | ||
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On April 09 2018 22:41 Eversince wrote: I can't qoute it to you ;p, believe me or don't. I don't care. Mafia will kill me tonight. if you are actually town why would mafia kill you maybe I’m dumb but I don’t get it | ||
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On April 09 2018 22:47 Eversince wrote: I just claimed a blue.... mafia will kill me. Or next level mafia shit if they have a RB, they can RB me to lead a mislynch cycle 2. I don't know if they have a RB though. If they do not though I will take kp tonight. this post is so scummy wtf | ||
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oh nice, welcome to da club kushm4sta exclusive bb | ||
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On April 09 2018 22:51 Eversince wrote: Seriously, how? I claimed power role. The fact I realize that mafia will kill me for it makes me...... MAFIA? Get out of town sir. nananana neener if you’re scum go ask HF how to play better | ||
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On April 09 2018 22:54 Eversince wrote: Lucky I'm not scum! Why are you prodding me so hard friend?! I havent been your friend ever since you fake speculated about the mafia team comp get it eversince but I’m not your enemy either so don’t worry yet | ||
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On April 09 2018 23:00 Eversince wrote: Fucking lynch me then. At least then I can laugh after the fact. I am tempted to vote for this seems so forced but what if my eyes arent reaaaal so high rn On April 09 2018 23:04 Eversince wrote: Calix, I'm not blue fishing. I never asked about it. I asked for a res incase we had a medic. And now I'm mafia because I didn't read roles from host. I'm annoyed because people are exploiting the point that I didn't do that are going to give up a free miss lynch when they shouldn't. Vivax is town then? | ||
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On April 09 2018 23:08 Holyflare wrote: Nobody is voting you because you misread the op. You only have 2 votes and those people are afk. We're starting to re-scum read you because you're pushing the fact you are blue way more than anything else when it was not necessary in the slightest. Nobody really cared about the blue claim, the tide was in fact shifting to vivax so you didn't really need to claim at all in fact. The scummy vibes come from you restating that you are blue multiple times, telling us what night actions mafia are going to do that make you confirmed, "forgetting" the rber etc etc. why is HF so aware of lynch influence this whole post is just stating facts. my hairs are prickly On April 09 2018 23:14 Eversince wrote: what makes him mafia HF? oh noooooo | ||
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On April 09 2018 23:19 Calix wrote: I made a similar post to the one you're criticising HF for. Why single his post out while ignoring mine? are you jealous On April 09 2018 23:19 Holyflare wrote: Because I made the shift in influence....? ![[image loading]](https://wallpapers.walldevil.com/wallpapers/a51/preview/wallpapers-wallpaper-fresh-badass-images.jpg) | ||
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sheep me pls dont disappoint | ||
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I was asleep and you tried to kill me? how dare you | ||
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On April 10 2018 09:01 Vivax wrote: Also your opinion switch on Calix doesn't look particularly genuine and if you think that it will serve as some sort of distancing in the future it won't serve you with me. I'm much more open to the idea she's mafia given how the flip turned out , and besides I want her out of the game anyway cause she was being disruptive without a reason at the time I was responding to your push. do you think Calix and HF are scum together? what do you think of HF flip flopping (twice?) so quickly? | ||
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On April 10 2018 00:12 GlowingBear wrote: I must say our votecount looks terrible. Here is a list of people that we should be lynching today: 1. Skynx 4. ExO_ 6. Eversince 7. currentlyhomeless 8. Calix 12. Vivax 13.Damdred In order of my preference: Skynx is the best option. He came to the thread, made a very bad case and instead of choosing his most scumread, he voted me because "rayn had a lot of questions to answer". This is not a townie thought process. A town lynches the scummiest and votes the scummiest. Also, he just peaced out of the game. Vivax doesn't sound like Vivax. Not contributive. Not chasing information in thread. Exo sounds so emotionally dettached from the game. Also calling me out without further pursuing me was weird. He isn't really commenting on the hot topics of the thread, but mostly following his own agenda. Calix, I don't know. I can see her changing her POV on rayn and me. But it feels so weird. Especially when rayn attacks her agreeing with me she looked scummy, then she also scumreads him, and then they both drop their scumreads in a flinch. Currentlyhomeless, currentlyuseless. Damdred, he is simply not playing the game and I hate it. I think this is classic scum lists half the players in the game as lynch targets doesn’t say anything of use even though the post is half a page long later when called out on rayn&HF claims that d1 is not the right time. and is convinced rayn is scum which makes 7+2=9 plus self = 10 more or less thinks we should lynch everyone scum | ||
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noob is dead but I bet given the chance GB would say we should consider lynching tube and Oats too that makes everyone! | ||
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On April 10 2018 14:02 GlowingBear wrote: That's a great misconstruction of everything I've said in this thread oh rly? please tell me how posting “here’s a list of people we should lynch” which contains 7 players, then mentioning you would kill HF & rayn too, but it is day 1 so they don’t count, is a misconstruction of what you have said? you said it yourself. i ain’t no builder boy but it’s ok you will flip scum with your buddy HF | ||
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On April 10 2018 14:45 GlowingBear wrote: I don't have perfect information and no one in the game is particularly town to me. All those people on the list were "ok" lynches at that moment. BUT I clearly said which ones I really wanted. Even gave a order of preference. I hate going to day2 letting lurkers alive. I hate lurkers. I'll always prefer to lynch a person that looks a bit scummy but is a lurker than lynching an active player that looks scummier. this is so forced prepare to die scum | ||
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On April 10 2018 16:38 Eversince wrote: I didn't start with one. I have claimed too early though. Rereading the role pm I can either make or pass a gun per night. So It might still be of use but I'll have to spend tonight making one and then can pass it N2. But I'm probably dead already so r.r. wtf | ||
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HF baby I’m sorry | ||
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On April 10 2018 18:57 Eversince wrote: I guess it's to early for people to be playing but oh well. I'm going to summarize: "Reasons to not lynch ES" 1)Claimed. 2)Un CC 3)Contradiction amass all over the place under direct heat. vs my meta I have little time and everyone who has played with me knows it so why I am not just afk at this point? 4)Has openly lied (in the time frames) to try to divert lynches away from me. Why would mafia do ANY of this? here, I will translate from scum speak to the best of my ability 1)“mafia never claim” 2)”I don’t know what semi open means” 3)”something irrelevant” 4)”actual scummy thing that is for some reason listed here” | ||
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On April 10 2018 19:04 Eversince wrote: CH- why does a mafia ES continue in this scenario? if you are town why did you claim in the first place you weren’t even close to dying | ||
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this game is so hard | ||
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this ever business is just a distraction | ||
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On April 09 2018 11:58 kushm4sta wrote: Why not oats.. why not then.. Looks like scum to me. can someone explain this I demand the real kush please stand up | ||
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On April 11 2018 03:20 Holyflare wrote: Fuck it, let's go there. Calix Flips Town Town N/A Townier Than Null Oats Tubesock Exo_ (buddied?) Skynx (don't hate, probably could be lower, not particularly read(or was it him that buddied me???)) Null ES Homeless Rayn (might drop him because of weak push to calix and random flip flopping on vivax etc) Damdred (possibly drop, tried to save vivax by voting calix) Scummers Homeless (no input on any wagon whatsoever, keeps referencing es being mafia and now I'm not?) Vivax (always) Glowingbear (absolutely underwhelming filter full of questions and piggybacking off people's posts to make points) ok HF is back to #1 scum, ain’t reading shit. read my posts and you know my read on ever also cause GB was not actually scum, my b ##vote Holyflare also in this post I’m null and scum dafak | ||
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On April 11 2018 07:54 Holyflare wrote: Not to mention you quoted the calix is town post. Any particular reason for that? yes, the other post says nothing about me | ||
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On April 11 2018 07:52 Holyflare wrote: I read your posts on ever and I still don't get it. Just looks like scum read. what a liar there isn’t much to read in my posts on ever it’s pretty obvious for my royal observers aka I think you’re town but wtf this post sucks starting here: oh shit is ever actually scum next few posts I thought it over and considered flipping my reads on ever & HF based on the interaction but in the end none of it was indicative imo On April 10 2018 20:28 currentlyhomeless wrote: GB is still scum this ever business is just a distraction back to sq 1 | ||
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On April 11 2018 08:14 AMG wrote: Currently Holyflare is set to be lynched. Voting is mandatory! Place votes in THIS THREAD (link) justice | ||
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On April 11 2018 05:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Anyways, mafia is 3 out of Calix/Exo/Damdred/homelessperson. if you are town why would I be in this list it makes no sense | ||
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On April 11 2018 09:07 Vivax wrote: Kush im just going to assume you are not bussing HF here and town instead cause we need to hydra up like in the good old days and destroy him with united forces. bro kush is dead | ||
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I hope not but his lack of vote is making my toes prickle if he is scum with HF this game might be impossible | ||
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On April 11 2018 09:16 Oatsmaster wrote: Why would scum HF bother switching the vote to you when town!vivax dies without his intervention? because HF knows he would look terrible if vivax flips town and then HF doesn’t die n1? he’s not a scrub like you he has a reputation to hold | ||
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On April 11 2018 09:18 Vivax wrote: I voted him right before I posted that in fact. You don't sound like slam but you could be I suppose. And nooniansong is a kush smurf and I hope that kush is dead is an actual joke cause that would suck. I bet my left nut that n00bking was kush hell I’ll bet HF’s life that n00bking was kush how about that | ||
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On April 11 2018 09:20 Eversince wrote: Catching up. I did give my gun to Rayn. No double kp so I'm RB'd and he's confirmed town in my mind now. I’m confused why would there be double KP on the night you give the gun do you still have the gun or not? wtf I can’t tell anymore if you’re the biggest scrub in the history of scrubs or actually fake claiming | ||
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On April 11 2018 09:31 Eversince wrote: Ok, let me try to break this logic down for you then. I gave the gun to Rayn (town!Rayn) Shoots somebody. (mafia!Rayn) Shoots town. The fact there was no double kp and Rayn says he did not get the gun confirms Rayn town. If Rayn was mafia they could of doubled kp last night. If their is ever double kp from this point on it is either SK or Rayn is mafia. That is silly to risk in mafia!Rayn so Rayn is town. ##vote Eversince ok you are full of shit if it actually worked that way and you are town this setup is fucked we should hang the host and ban gunsmith and any other shitty roles forever however the simpler explanation is you are scum cause your claim makes 0 sense and you keep slipping. there is no sane world where your night action resolves before everyone else allowing your target to shoot on the same night | ||
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there is no discussion needed just go to n2 | ||
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On April 11 2018 09:56 Vivax wrote: Well I get the optional now, never seen it written like that anywhere yet. So ES started with a gun, night action was pass it to rayn. Rayn claims not to have a gun. ES concludes rayn has to be town although that doesn't have to be the case as rayn can be lying scum. Either way I don't think all of this has to make ES scum. It just looks like it might as well be unfamiliarity with the mechanics. are you scum this game??? ever claims rayn is confirmed because only one person died n1 this is way different from “because rayn doesn’t have a gun” it means ever doesn’t know how the gunsmith role works. which means they aren’t gunsmith 1500% scum | ||
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On April 11 2018 09:58 Oatsmaster wrote: In fact, he looks worse nah im an easy target people who wanna kill me get auto +5 scumpoints | ||
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On April 11 2018 10:01 Vivax wrote: That's bullshit bro cause even mafia can figure out how the role works from just reading the OP or talking privately with the host. There are no slips there just the assumption that rayn got the gun as soon as she sent in the action. nah this is another level like if it were one mistake its fine but ever literally gets every important aspect of the role wrong until called out in thread claims to not have a gun then backtracks when called out on it claims rayn is town bc n1 there was only 1 kill ever & hf & rayn 100% makes sense sheep me | ||
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“will die tonight” “might live cause everyone thinks I am scum” d2 “fuckin called it” can’t make this shit up folks | ||
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On April 11 2018 10:21 Tubesock wrote: Sure. But she is uncc’d. And completely untrustworthy so will have almost zero influence. Plus if she’s truthful mafia is using up the rub on her till they kill her. If there’s a medic or cop or whatever they have free reign. yeah or ever is scum and we lose the game cause scrubs never lynch obvious scum because of “reasons” | ||
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On April 11 2018 10:24 Eversince wrote: There isn't a medic I know this 100% because I've gone as far as to have my room-mate make sure I was reading the OP correctly (Oh hey! Also why it took me 3 times to realize what my own was SHOOT! I freakin' suck at this English business!) your roommate or mafia qt partner | ||
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On April 11 2018 10:25 Vivax wrote: Deep inside I still believe it's a bad idea to lynch her D2 over the devilish holyflare i know what you mean but let’s wait for hf to show up. if hf still thinks ever is town after this then hf is 100% scum too at that point i’d be fine with killing either because i cant be wrong and it wouldnt matter which one we kill although i think optimal play is to kill the confirmed scum first people suck at this gane On April 11 2018 10:27 Eversince wrote: Or you know, like if there is a invest role in the game... they could like... you know... CHECK ME? Unless I'm GF that's fail safe! But of course simple logic is a GF wouldn't be acting like I am at all but hey, no one seems to like logic. yeah or a framer huh or we dont have a cop or pc and it wouldnt fucking matter anyway for exactly that reason so smart | ||
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On April 11 2018 10:34 Vivax wrote: That's the feeling I get from it as well. But I could totally understand why anyone would scumread her for them. Tis a difficult case. But idk I just don't get the feeling she's mafia or why she would have claimed so early as mafia. Meh fuck it going with gut here and declaring that I'm not going to vote for that. aight im pretty close to giving up on rhis game time to go ham it up at work, i’ll bbl to see what you scrubs cook up this time | ||
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On April 11 2018 15:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: sicklucker? no dumbass also save me doesn’t mean vote me jesus what is wrong with you | ||
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On April 11 2018 16:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay Mr- whoeverperson you are. Play time is over. Your posts aside from the eversince and gb things are completely undecipherable. Noone has any idea why you are scumreading Holyflare. Noone has any idea why you scumreading gb made hf town and how gb dying made him back to scum. Noone has any idea what you are saying about anything in the game. Either you start playing or tell who you are and start playing, or you die. Time is up. You are not allowed to troll this town after this moment. ##vote currentlyhomeless me reading gb as scum didn’t make hf town wtf i thought he and hf were scum together. it was ever being weird and then hf jumping on ever with very similar thought process to my own which made me post this: On April 10 2018 17:20 currentlyhomeless wrote: what is happening. HF baby I’m sorry then I waffled on ever cause I was like na fuck it but niw I’m back to thinking ever is scum cause the claim makes 0 sense and there are too many “mistakes” also if i were scum what kind of moron would i be shoot one of my only scumreads n1? btw anyone who still thinks ever is town pls entertain me for a bit ever knew that there was only 1 nk and posted about it after the flip which means if ever is town, they would have read the daypost which said GB died but then less than 3 (?) hours later when pressed for reads ever slipped and included GB how would ever know there was only 1 nk but not know who it was if ever is town i seriously don’t believe a townie would forget that fast | ||
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On April 11 2018 17:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: So why are you scumreading Holyflare and what does that post you quoted, the "sorry baby" one mean then? the sorry baby post was me thinking oh shit maybe im wrong about hf cause he is thinking like me now like this On April 10 2018 19:29 Holyflare wrote: You mistakenly read the gunsmith role and got called out? It's not like you're intentionally drawing attention to yourself so that's very dishonest. on reread though hf didn’t actually say all that much and actually when hf seemingly agreed with my gb read I thought that was a good sign too but then gb flipped town... msotly i dislike hf this game cause i feel like he is not really reading. maybe a lot of it is tunnel focus cause his actions to me imo been really bad but i notice that more than his interactions with other players also hes posting useless fluff shit like one giant post of lukewarm reads if calix is mafia and one post if calix is town just seems forced | ||
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On April 11 2018 17:30 Tubesock wrote: How does a mafioso forget who their night kill target was?? the whole team doesnt send the kill usually right i have played on enough teams with afl fuckers who hate playing scum that they might as wel get modkilled eversince doesnt atrike me as the smartest person here bad play is not alignment indicative but knowing there was 1 nk but not remembering who the nk was is definitely scum alignment | ||
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On April 11 2018 17:36 Tubesock wrote: I have no idea. I have no idea how she made most of her posts. Her posts don’t make sense as town or mafia. You guys can lynch her if you want. I doubt I could stop you anyway. But she’s probably going to flip town gun smith. why are you defending ever so hard | ||
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On April 11 2018 17:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: What do you think of Holyflare's case on Calix? Like by definition, if you think Holyflare is mafia you should think Calix is not so what's wrong with his case on Calix? Right now the most likely person to get lynched is Calix and you are not helping. who are you even talking to if its still me then tbh i havent read much of calix because theirnposts are too fucking long | ||
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On April 11 2018 17:39 Tubesock wrote: Why would scum Eversince then claim she sent it and not say “well, must have been roll blocked”? Instead she’s like “rayn is confirmed town.” Taking away a possible mislynch. Gah I had questions for you too. Can’t remember them. yea this is the one weird thing about ever but it could mean all sorts of shit. like ever tried to say rayn is confirmed town but just saying it doesnt mean jack, like even scum could do that no mater what rayn’s actual alignment is and someone will just come by and point out that rayn is not confirmed. easy cred for ever. so this is not alignment indicative at all actually imo cause it could be a townie fucking up or a mafia just saying it to continue the sunken cost of the fake claim i think the safest play is to flip ever. i think theres a super strong chance ever flips scum, like 99%, then based on how ever gets defended etc we can figure it out from there like i am less sure on hf now cause if hf is scum with ever would hf actually bus ever that fast? but the push never seemed super serious from hf. regardless i still dont like hf but ever became the better lynch | ||
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rayn you look townie to me cause youre like the omly person in the game trying to figure shit out (im not a person im basically god. but like a shittier version of god cause i dont actually know everything) so sheep me on ever | ||
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On April 11 2018 22:47 Vivax wrote: Voted ES suggest you do the same cause CH isn't mafia. By the way nice catch on ES shoulda found it myself :| yo wtf who exactly caught ES?? aight vivax I no longer like you, clearly not reading | ||
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On April 12 2018 03:20 Skynx wrote: I agree with i dunno who brought it up that Eversince should just be ignored. After screwing up the claim like that either alignment knows he fucked up and will react like he did. Impossible to reach a conclusion and he's completely untrustworthy whatever he does from now on. What to do with him I'm not really sure though. Impossible to reach a conclusion and he's completely untrustworthy whatever he does from now on. What to do with him I'm not really sure though. completely untrustworthy What to do with him I’m not really sure though. ![[image loading]](https://www.samaa.tv/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/donkey-hide.jpg) | ||
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half the players are playing for scum win condition last few pages are just wtf go to n2 this is a waste of space i’m gonna go wash my genitals now since i have to go to work eversince is scum since they didnt read daypost but knew only 1 nk. when ever flips scum we kill exo cause the posts sound smart but the conclsion is scummy | ||
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maybe i need to reread vivax w/e more important to wash my balls | ||
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vivax i found some long brown hair (like 5-6 cm) stuck down there when i was cleaning. reminded me of you my hair is black btw ok i’ll keep this short and sweet. time for me to bring out the hammer to beat into some skulls for all you scrubby townies who are probably sheeping scum right now on th wrong vote, ever since my unbeatable case on eversince they have disappeared from the thread now you tell me why would a player constantly talk about themselves when they are in thread and receving pressure that looks defendable and actually refuse to give real scumreads when explicitly called out, then when they get serious lynch pressure and they basically get outed as scum they stop playing the game hint if your answer is anything except “because ever is scum” youre wrong and you should feel bad and then you should sheep me anyway even if you punlicly say im weong cause youre too proud to admit that this ballwasher is better at this game than you | ||
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On April 12 2018 09:05 Tubesock wrote: First, outside of mafia or town, no one actually gives a shit who you are. Secondly, when Ever dies blue, you’re next. so i am scum with calix and skynx and exo and damdred too ok scrublord whatever you say | ||
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On April 12 2018 20:39 Skynx wrote: I don't see how you still scumread me when we scumread exact same people. this right here is so weird like all 3 of you, tube exo voting calix yet somehow you all read each other scum someone help me figure that out i dont get it ever is scum so by definition at least one of you 3 has to be town. yet you think ever is town and calix is scum, so...???? which one of you is just stupid? | ||
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“ignore” is not a valid choice wtf like there is no way both Calix and Ever are scum here. since ever is scum that basically makes Calix 100% town. i think the only world where they are both scum is if damdred is scum and afk | ||
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On April 13 2018 05:34 Holyflare wrote: Just give up, I'm never gonna let you lynch me. Find a new push to endlessly whine about. HF pls explain this post | ||
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so we cannot mislynch tomorrow | ||
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that gets rid of the scum with gun possibility | ||
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On April 13 2018 08:23 Holyflare wrote: Look at this guy calculating how many mislynches are left. yea so smart | ||
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On April 13 2018 08:23 Holyflare wrote: Do you have any tangible reasons why vivax scum reads anybody in this game? I sure don't. If he stops whining about me to everyone in the game then he's forced to actually produce content. this was not the answer I expected but ok so you still think vivax is scum | ||
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On April 13 2018 08:26 Holyflare wrote: Dunno really. I don't actually have a town read. I think I'm too blinded by him being this subpar. I want to lynch exo the most. I think. hf i think you are a smart person i think as town you would do the right thing here so why is it that you considered that rayn is scum wit a gun but didn’t consider that we can just lynch rayn tomorrow if rayn is scum and he has a gun, we just lose as soon as we mislynch one more. if we lynch rayn and rayn is actually town we go to LYLO sure but if we are wrong about rayn we lose that’s fucked | ||
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On April 13 2018 08:31 Vivax wrote: CH hold me I think FF made this game 6 S vs 3T the number of mafia in this game makes me think rayn is town but the optimal play is to policy lynch rayn maybe we need to play like scrubs too, then we can think next level and catch the real scum, cause they must also be scrubby this game like tube if you are town and think i am scum you really need to reread the game. i seriously dont see how anybody could consider me scum. i’m probably dead tn anyway so youll find out soon On April 13 2018 08:31 Holyflare wrote: Rather just lynch someone I actually think is mafia rather than a remote possibility. i feel like this is the most nonanswer answer you can give while still giving an answer i also dont feel like rayn is scum at this point. so i dont feel strong about a rayn policy lynch but it might actually be safer imo than killing say calix. skynx tube and exo all look similar to me. tube looks the best of the 3. and by best i literally mean i am townreading tube because his play looks the worst. i think at least one scum is in that pile. however the problem is that exo & skynx & calix literally makes no sense, and actually none of those players pairwise look scum & scum because of their interactions and votes. so if max 1 of them is scum we are missing 2 players somewhere else. unless they bussed semihard earlier in the game and are throwing us off i dont like using host actions for tells but i actually feel like damdred has a good chance of being scum here because he got replaced. if it was just a townie I think that would be a modkill | ||
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On April 13 2018 12:59 Vivax wrote: Really appreciate that feedback as a welcome change especially considering I'm playing a modestly assholeish almost like in old times but it's not calix, it's Oats. Calix softed blue I recently noticed so should die tonight is my guess. hf + rayn makes perfect sense though. Also explains why rayn hasn't been all over HF this game yet even after noticing him pushing me for some bs reason regarding the things that didn't add up about ES. Either way need to convince the townies that are corrupted by HFs charming malice which I would guess are calix tube and very tentatively skynx and even CH who was kind of my last bastion of hope before you showed up. Damdred slot is coinflippy but I still feel good about him from our early interaction and him speaking up against my lynch. Dunno, maybe you can come up with a way to drill through those skulls. in case it wasnt clear atm i’m not really townreading hf his play is too stupid to be town here imo and he freely admitted he isnt reading | ||
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On April 13 2018 15:00 Holyflare wrote: And what instances in this game show that I'm "not reading" and my play is "stupid"? It's nice to throw out rhetoric but at least back it up. You listed exo as your scum read just like I did, you don't even scum read rayn (just like I do) but say we should lynch him, voted es today because it made sense. So why this now? ok this post right here, this is bs i listed exo as my scum read? when the fuck did i do that? at some point with ever being scum i thought exo was also scum but with ever flipping town that association is useless i even talked about how i am reading tube as town but i dont think more than one of skynx, exo, and calix can be scum guess you didnt read that huh | ||
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On April 13 2018 15:27 Holyflare wrote: Let's just forget this post is a giant dodge of the questions I asked so I'll repeat them. And what instances in this game show that I'm "not reading" and my play is "stupid"? it wasnt a dodge, the reason i even said that very post was bs was because it is proof you werent reading that you think i said exo is scum. you also literally just went and cherry picked the only post where i call exo scummy in order to prove what exactly? that i did think exo was scum? i dont understand your motivation here to pick a fight with me if you are town, this literally only makes sense from scum hf which means its a complete waste of time for me to drag this out with you which btw you have done to other players in this game already, calix vivax etc. since i never quite understood why you were calling them scum i can see now with your interaction with me its cause you dont have solving the game as a purpose, you just want to create chaos and shit up the thread as for your evidence there isnt anything better than yor iwn words On April 12 2018 05:47 Holyflare wrote: Also kush/homeless/whoever you are, it looks like I'm not reading to you because I'm not particularly reading. I just skim at work and phone post forever now instead. Not the hf of old. the scummiest shit about your most recent posts is youre trying to paint me as scum who cant back up what i say but this is happening post-flip on ever, who you agreed to kill, who i led killing. literally no one else noticed what i noticed about ever, because guess what, no one else is trying to figure out the fucking game this is actually why i townread rayn, he credited me when credit was due and so i actually dont think lynching him tomorrow has the best chance of hitting scum. thats why its a policy lynch cause in the offchance he is scum, we should kill him so we dont lose the fucking game since you just said you would rather not do this, you have automatically become scum to me bc town hf is smart enough to know this is the right play | ||
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On April 13 2018 15:43 Holyflare wrote: This entire conversation is even pointless. I haven't listed you as a scum read, I'm merely pointing out inconsistencies that you haven't even explained because you're trying to jump on the hf is mafia bandwagon. So explain them and get on my level. what kind of horseshit is this i agree, it is a waste of time. since you seem to already know rayn will flip scum, fuck the policy lynch, let’s lynch you tomorrow if i die tn pls lynch hf | ||
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On April 13 2018 15:48 Holyflare wrote: Exo is mafia because he has espoused all day and all night that I'm town non-stop and that he would sheep me. He acknowledges that I scum read Eversince but he thinks that she is NOT going to flip town but that's ok. So, when Eversince flipped town and everything in his mind should be confirmed and I haven't done anything differently he completely drops the read on me. He was even voting calix, the person that I cased and thought was the most likely to flip mafia if es was town. Apparently I have fallen off since day 1 but he shows no evidence that he ever thought that, no qualms about my play at all until multiple people start throwing my name around. Nothing should have changed for him. Combined with his es thoughts being the scummiest I am very sure he is mafia. can you point iut where he says you fall off the problem i have with you this game is that at times i actually completely agree with you and then you go off and be a complete dick for no reason and say stupid shit that makes me think you arent reading at all i cant keep a consistent read one way on you at all this game and it pisses me off | ||
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On April 13 2018 15:49 Holyflare wrote: Are you fucking stupid? How is it the best play if I don't think rayn is mafia to lynch rayn? you said it yourself if rayn has a gun we lose the only way to prevent a mislynch lose scenario on d3 is to kill the player who might have a gun cause hes scum and lied about not having it like yea we can go kill a scum too if we have a red check or some other semi confirmed shit but thats why the policy lynch is optimal, it makes sure we dont lose instantly | ||
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why would you call me stupid when the whole fucking time i have been saying its a policy lynch i even fucking agree with you, i actually dont really believe rayn would flip scum here. however my certainty is maybe 70-80%. it would need to be higher for me to say yea lets just risk the whole game. if rayn is town actually i expect he would agree with me here and actually help us win the game | ||
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On April 13 2018 15:54 Holyflare wrote: He's gone from saying he's sheeping me and I'm definitely town and he already thought Eversince was going to flip town : Nothing has changed at all. ok i see what you are saying now. and i agree, that flop makes no sense. do you think exo is the most likely player to flip scum at this point? do you still think vivax is scum? calix? i guess exo vivax calix is possible but i actually dont think vivax is scum here either | ||
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btw this whole game i have been phone posting so sorry for my shrtiy formatting and ranty thoughts. its a pain in the ass to go quote more than one or two things at once On April 13 2018 15:59 Holyflare wrote: I'm calling you stupid because you're saying it's the optimal play and aren't giving any other alternatives and you're arguing that it's the optimal play instead when you don't even scum read the guy. You're also calling me mafia. Which IS stupid. So talk about exo/skynx/calix/tube or just don't interact with me because I won't stop calling you stupid if you're going to call me mafia when I voted on the wagon that made sense yesterday. then dont imply i am mafia and then when called out back off with some shady shit. if you are town and you recognize youre just shitting up the thread then maybe its time to step back and consider that i am literally the only person consistently trying to figurethus game out. maybe if it semeed like you were trying to help me instead of jump down my throat i wouldnt be seeing red So talk about exo/skynx/calix/tube or just don't interact with me because I won't stop calling you stupid if you're going to call me mafia when I voted on the wagon that made sense yesterday. fine, lets consider alternatives from exo skynx calix tube i’m gonna throw tube out cause we’re not lynching him tomorrow of the remaining 3 like i said earlier probably only 1, max 2 can be scum. personally if i had to pick one right now it would be exo simply based on the two posts you showed just now. i never noticed the flop and its actually quite blatant. if you had asked me like an hour ago i would have said skynx. the reason is because I went back and reread gb’s posts to try and decipher why the fuck he would die n1 because it literally made no sense to me, i actually thought he had a good chance of being scum. gb was pretty suspicious of skynx and earlier on he was attacking calix too, but for the most part later his focus was skynx. and actually part of my doubt on rayn is also because one of the only other players that gb read as scum was rayn. however i think despite looking very similar, skynx has had way more pressure and attention for whatwver reason than exo. and for calix as i said before fuck reading calix’s posts. whats interesting though is that lately calix hasnt posted much on vivax, i toneread him pretty strongly town but actually in the back of my head i am bothered by how he seems to constantly be slow on the uptake for thread events like him not realising what i said about ever was a pretty bug wtf. rayn looked a lot better in my eyes when he gave me credit for it but vivax looked worse for not realising that it was me pushing ever for different reasoms than the initial claim problems but my gut reads vivax town and some of his posts gave e the feeling that he is actually trying to figure out the game and not scum faking. | ||
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On April 13 2018 16:38 Oatsmaster wrote: im actually not reading CH's stuff because no is it because you cant read or | ||
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On April 13 2018 16:52 Oatsmaster wrote: ch had a terrible day 1 also is this the reason you cant read my posts or are you saying i am scum too i feel like this is deja vu, i swear i said it before but gonna say it again me exo calix vivax all scumreads at the same time makes no fucking sense | ||
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On April 13 2018 21:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay i need Vivax, Tubesock and homeless to explain me this: After these posts on D2: Can you understand what happens here in case i am mafia, did not roleblock Eversince and in fact do have a gun? The fact that Eversince never managed to answer the question is irrelevant because that was not the expected outcome. So all three of you, explain the logic between "lynch rayn because he might have a gun and might be mafia"? Holyflare, since you are driven by logic, why are you letting this kind of discussion go on and on in the thread? holy shit i’m a baddie i have no idea why but i had to read this several times before i finally understood yea thank fuck actually the game makes a lot more sense now. we dont need to policy lynch you after all | ||
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On April 13 2018 22:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: I possibly have a problem with Calix being mafia. Does anyone remember if there are people who voted for Calix and now think other people who voted for Calix last phase are mafia? you basically described everyone on calix ytd i think except maybe skynx oats for example wants to kill calix. but also exo who voted calix. skynx also still wants to kill calix but reads exo/calix as opposite alignments. iirc skynx townreads oats and scumreads tube? actually dont remember and too lazy to filter dive at this point exo was attacking skynx too and then tube I just ignore cause i’m townreading him but pretty sure he also attacked all 3 of skynx exo calix together at some point. i vaguely remember i even called him out on it. or maybe it was skynx, who the fuck knows at this point | ||
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On April 13 2018 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: It doesn't make any sense a person who was on Calix does now want to kill other people on Calix, because if Calix is mafia (which they should automaticvally still think as nothing has changed) they are less likely to be mafia since the vote was super close (aka Eversince who should get an action taken on her after game for playing against her wincondition) could have get Calix lynched. by they, you mean each other? they obviously all can’t be scum, this was the same thing. i was saying earlier. literally makes no sense for someone to scumread someone else who has the same scumreads as you. but literally all of them do | ||
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On April 13 2018 23:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: It does make sense to scumread other people who scumread the same people you do, it all depends on reasoning. But there was perfect reasoning for Eversince to be mafia so in itself people voting for calix instead is fishy in my opinion. But if you go further on with this, why would you now scumread the people who SHARED your opinion of the unlikely scenario where Eversince flips town, especially when Eversince was an easy place to place a vote on if you are mafia -- when the alternative is your scumbuddy Calix. And Eversince can just kill mafia!Calix only by saving herself which is an expected outcome anyways lol. It doesn't make anys sense. actually i think the hammer had to be damdred or someone switching from ever to calix. iirc we had 5 on ever right. then ever comes and votes herself and makes it 6. even if ever voted calix the vote wouldve been tied and it would be up to the afk player to decide the vote i do get what you mean though. basically on tone tube & oats came out townier for me, while both exo and skynx look scummier. like between those 4 who voted calix i think its max 2 scum. theres no way they are all scum otherwise the infighting makes no sense, no team buses that hard although actually bussing more cleanly explains it rofl | ||
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On April 13 2018 23:19 Vivax wrote: Once we "P-lynch" rayn your house of cards falls apart and that's where the game becomes something more than a shitfest. ok.... remember this post everyone | ||
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although there’s a remote chance theyre both scum. exo & hf & rayn scum would win with that PC claim. i’m assuming this is not the case cause its nightmare scenario and the only things that make sense are hf & rayn opposite or hf & rayn town. If they are opposites i favour rayn town here cause his thought process has been clear and he has been trying to figure out the game with me consistently while hf goes in asshole scummy bends and I waffle on him all game however i actually do agree with hf’s posts post-claim. exo’s claim timing also basically confirms him as town. i think tube’s timing also confirms him as town. this means to me one or two of skynx & oats & calix is almost assuredly scum due to the previous day’s events around voting ever. of these three i would most prefer to kill skynx but I could be convinced to kill calix too. hf, rayn what do you think? btw i havent read vivax’s past games but i’m not a fan of a meta read here because it was self-driven. if vivax is aware of his own meta, which he is in this game, then even as scum he could just be acting to fit that meta. so here i think vivax has a good chance of flipping scum too. | ||
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On April 14 2018 08:44 ExO_ wrote: Anybody not voting Rayn or HF or myself is scum. Period. No town looks at this and jumps to Calix. A town player either believes my claim (you should its real) or thinks im a liar. There are no other logical town choices here you really are dumb arent you have you even considered that your check is not reliable? based on the two players you looked at imo its actually pretty meaningless | ||
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On April 14 2018 09:16 Vivax wrote: HF and rayn are both mafia probably but I will take any chance to finally getting over it with murdering scumflare and try to convince you that one of them was framed or GF. who’s scum with hf & rayn? you? | ||
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On April 14 2018 04:44 Tubesock wrote: I’m not policy lynching rayn. Thought it was a play CH was concocting to hedge and went along. It was my eureka moment. If that’s not obvious. Calix, you softed blue. You’re the lynch, if you’re blue you need to claim now rather than later. btw tube i love you | ||
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On April 14 2018 09:23 Vivax wrote: I actually think rayn should die first today though cause 1. both can be mafia here and 2. rayn can be mafia with a gun. hey all remember when I said “remember this post”? vivax is 100% scum here. its one thing not to read once. but to still claim rayn could be scum with a gun is just straight up not reading or understanding the game. fuck meta, fuck whatever bs reasons you have for reading vivax town, this right here is all the proof you need. rayn could be mafia. rayn could be town. rayn being mafia with gun is literally impossible and anyone who reads should know this ##vote Vivax | ||
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On April 14 2018 09:28 Tubesock wrote: I was so irritated with you and that contributed to my unfortunate blow up on Vivax. I would never have seen it if it weren’t for HF though (his night claiming plays he’s been doing lately) and you playing a lot like BH. I hope you never reveal who you are. HF can’t lynch you this game. PSDS, if you were seriously going to plynch rayn then I take it all back lol Vivax just scumclaimed | ||
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On April 14 2018 09:34 Vivax wrote: To me you sound like you are playing under the influence cause it isn't explained nor does it make any sense anywhere. to me it sounds like youre mafia cause to town it should be fucking obvious also there’s like a whole page on it so yea maybe once or twice you couldve gotten away with dumbclaiming but its scumclaiming now bb and to think i trusted you rofl i will admit your play as scum this game has been pretty good. | ||
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On April 14 2018 09:45 Vivax wrote: I'm trying to make sense of this shit. You're telling me rayn used gun on hopeless and the kill from mafia is fuck knows where, possibly soaked by tube? There's so many different scenarios here to go through that it doesn't make rayn town ever? “so many different scenarios here” rofl die scum | ||
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On April 14 2018 10:13 ExO_ wrote: CH do you believe Im parity cop or not? If you do, Why the fuck are you focusibg on everyone but Rayn/HF? This highly unlikely shit about miller or framer is such garbage. Scum agenda 20000% to push a vote outside of HF or Rayn. There is confirmed mafia between two players. If you are town you need to be discussing hf and rayn right the fuck now i believe your claim i dont believe your check means one of rayn or hf is scum. this isnt rocket science, your check doesnt magically make me scumread either of them | ||
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On April 14 2018 13:04 ExO_ wrote: You guys have got to be fucking kidding me. We have a check on Rayn and HF. One is scum. Yet everyone seems to have the opinion “they cant be scum because there’s got to be a miller or framer” You’ve gotta be kidding me. Are your egos all this huge? That yours reads are so good that the check just has to be wrong in some super unlikely way or another? Nobody has presented a compelling case for this in my opinion. And I dont believe for a second its in our interest to vote a 3rd candidate here. Ill eat my words if there is a framer or miller, but we deserve to lose if we can’t get it together, look at Rayn, look at HF, and figure out which one is scum. what kind of compelling “case” do you expect if i think they are both town if i think they are both town one was framed or is a miller. end of story. yes the likelihood of that with nothing else happened in the game is lower but i dont need to make a case to say its more likely. just read the game, rayn has been trying hard especially recently to figure out the game with me and had very good posts. for example theres no way as scum that he would point out where credit is due when i found something on ever (unless he was scum trying to set me up to die? but i dont get this impression at all) hf is an asshole at times but a lot of the things he has said only make sense from town perspective. most of his townreads seem logical now even if it takes him a while to get there therefore both town, reads > unreliable blue checks i am more than 70% sure that they are both town and the check is nowhere near 70-80% certainty that one is scum because if there is a framer in this game literally the best targets are rayn and hf. if there is a framer in the game, like 90%+ certainty one of those 2 gets framed regardless of alignment. unless they are the framer themselves lol as for miller, let’s say there is one miller and what. 5 vts? 6 vts? 3 scum + miller + 3 blues = 7, 13 - 7 = 6 so miller & 6 VTs. 3 VTs already flipped so remaining non blues are 3 VTs and miller so if they are both town, chance that one of them is miller is 50% rofl | ||
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On April 14 2018 07:33 Holyflare wrote: Why are you saying it like I haven't evaluated anything? I've spent the whole game evaluating these people. I thought exo was mafia, he was pushed as mafia and was most likely to be mafia. I'm insanely wary of his claim. I snap voted rayn and said vivax was town at the beginning of the day because i spent the last few minutes before deadline combing vivax's mafia games and he's right, 13 pages would be a record for him as mafia. Max he had was 8 day 3 in a 160 page game. When I concluded this and saw the nk I thought it was 100% rayn mafia because if vivax is town and I'm town shitting up the thread with vivax leaving me alive with him is optimal mafia play and fake voted rayn to see what would happen. Nobody reacted and exo claimed so kind of wasted my attempt but if rayn town reads me and I town read rayn and we both were wary of vivax and none of us three died then I'd always think it was rayn at this point. Thus I couldn't really decide between the two which I trusted more. I thought exo's claims had holes but it didn't so much after I looked into it and the more I thought about the setup the more balanced it seemed. After that I remembered tubesock quoting you with a definite blue soft to not get lynched (yes, keep repeating that it wasn't, we get it). If we lynched rayn and he turned out to actually be town (like I initially thought last cycle) then I kind of thought the game would be over in my mind (sleep deprivation) and was a bit of a risk. Since you softed blue and there were three blues already it's a far better shot at lynching you and letting the blue claim resolve itself. ah look town read rayn too vivax scum | ||
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On April 14 2018 16:04 Holyflare wrote: I have one read on vivax that's weak and did have even weaker reads on ch/rayn but I pretty much have no town reads. Maybe tube actually. Didn't talk about tube though so vivax is correct that that statement is bad. wtf this makes no sense exo is not a town read?? are you scum? | ||
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On April 14 2018 16:18 Vivax wrote: I think you just read something about rayn town and concluded it was a rayn townread when HF concludes with "then I'd always think it was rayn at this point". So no, doesn't look much like a TR to me. But I'm sure HF can clarify? Awesome so you're doing the same shit Oats did when he pretended to know what HF wanted to do at EoD when he switched off me. You just pretended to know what his unsaid townreads were. Are all the mafias this game actually just dancing around an HF idol and being his spokespersons? In that case I can name three peeps off the top of my hat who fall into that profile and it's calix, oats, CH. cool you made up a list of 3 names on sometjing pointless if you actually believ that horseshit why wouldnt you vote calix then | ||
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On April 14 2018 16:28 Vivax wrote: Why wouldn't you vote calix is a better question. Your read on her is nonexistent but you have a town read on HF for scummy reasons. I have a good reason and it's that I wanted to lynch HF as top priority but now that I see what kind of things you base your reads upon I'm not that sure any more. so if you townread someone now youre supposed to sheep them on everything? no wonder you just sheeped people this game, that only makes sense if youre scum and cant come up with your own reads | ||
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On April 14 2018 16:43 Vivax wrote: Your stuff on ExO is inconclusive. He isn't a townread you just say that parity cop is compatible with the setup which isn't even a reason to believe his claim especially since that claim is getting you lynched. CH turns it into a townread on ExO. You say that with a rayn townread and all three of staying alive it probably means rayn is mafia and CH turns it into you having a rayn townread. All of this cause otherwise it wouldn't have made any sense for him to make that read on you since your only visible townread besides those was me who is CHs primary scumread. So he's pretty much trying super hard to bend what you said to fit his version. keep digging broski how the fuck is no one else noticing this shit vivax keeps proving again and again that he isnt reading at all. this is 100% scum play | ||
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On April 14 2018 07:40 Holyflare wrote: Also bit of theory on exo. Don't think he claims parity like that if I open the day as if I had a red check on rayn. there is nothing inconclusive here this was like 100% in line with what i thought about exo’s claim. no scum claims like that plus tube claimed when unneeded too. feel free to misconstrue what i said thiugh cause i refuse to take hf’s “i dont have any townreads” bs at face value. actually as scum i dont think anyone would ever be bold enough to say such a thing but w/e maybe i’m just wrong since hf is acting weird now too so i’m fucking confused | ||
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On April 14 2018 17:02 Vivax wrote: Like if scum ExO ccs HF and HF gets lynched, scum won. Rayn gets lynched. Both cops still remain unresolved. wait what if a pc gets cced, and the pc gets lynched first why wouldnt the ccer die second if exo is scum and hf is actually pc, and exo ccs hf, if hf gets lynched first and flips pc we just kill exo and hit scum why the fuck would rayn die | ||
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this was already proven to be impossible like 10 pages ago so this is just a waste of space & distraction | ||
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On April 14 2018 17:17 Vivax wrote: What is this nonsense about proven to be impossible. ES filter doesn't tell us anything. In one post she talks about having given her gun to rayn and in another she talks about rayn being conf town cause she didn't manage to give her gun to him cause she took what he said at face value. Nowhere does it say she has some kind of inventory with a gun in it. Nobody has any damn clue about what actually happened that night except you it seems. Unless you wanna argue that hopeless was shot by that gun which is at best a decent guess cause I don't know why mafia would shoot hopeless here. my boy tube gets it which makes him confirmed town | ||
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On April 14 2018 17:48 Skynx wrote: lol currentlyclueless, where do you get your fucking odds? Framer+Miller Rayn is framed/miller, hf is green: 2/12*6/10=0.1 rayn is green, hf is f/m: 9/12*2/10=0.15 Even assuming framer+miller odds of correct redcheck is still 60% which means we should lynch one of rayn/hf Assuming there is a gf, both of them are mafia so still lynch one of rayn/hf wow you mustve failed math, reading, or both 50% is the chance one of them is a miller given that both rayn and HF are town. in other words if they are both town, the check is a coinflip between returning “same” and “different” who the fuck knows why you are dividing by 12 when there are only 9 people alive, or why your two fucking symmetric situations have different numbers | ||
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On April 14 2018 18:01 Skynx wrote: I don't think even kush can get this high. First statement is complete bollocks. Bolded is just a fucking assumption and nothing more. There is a different check: so one of them is different alignment to the other with 5 mechanics assumed= 3 mafia, 1 frame, 1 miller = 40% chance of fake red. 9 ppl alive means jack shit, odds are taken when the checks take place. Pls go back to your corner near the dumpster. holy shit you did fail math https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conditional_probability there are 9 people left in the game. 3 people are scum. you’re telling me the probability RIGHT NOW that any one player is scum independently is 3/12?? why would you even divide by 12 there are fucking 13 players total anyway the math is pretty fucking easy. there are 9 players. 2 are claimed blues. 3 are scum. that leaves 4 townies unaccounted for. assuming there are no more blues, if there is a miller in the game then the chance that any one of those 4 is a miller is 25% if you pick any pair and ask if there’s a miller in the pair it’s 4 choose 2 = 6 pairs. of those 6 pairs 3 have a miller in them so even they are both town the check returns “different” 50% pf the time | ||
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On April 14 2018 18:06 Skynx wrote: I'll make that simpler for your soft brain. WE HAVE UNCC'D DIFFERENT CHECK. ONE OF THEM IS RED. 60% CHANCE THAT RED IS REAL MAFIA = LYNCH. you realize that the probability that one of them is scum and the probability that the check was true are two different things right i have no idea what this 60% number youre talking about even means cause your math makes no sense. | ||
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On April 14 2018 18:12 Skynx wrote: You're doubting the credibility of the checks. How many ppl are alive is entirely irrelevant. 12 ppl alive for 1st check, 10 for second. holy fuckballs we are talking about millers, a miller is a fucking role if there is a miller, when someone flips NONMILLER the chance of everyone else being a miller goes up. not fucking rocket science. this is why the number of people alive mayters if you have 4 townies and 1 miller, if you checked a townie n1 it was a 20% chance they were a miller after 3 of the townies die and flip VT the chance is now 50% you checked a miller because 3 fucking VTs flipped. and obviously if the miller flips the chance is 0. the chance doesn’t magically stay 20% because that’s how many players were alive when you checked jesus | ||
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On April 14 2018 18:15 Skynx wrote: 60% is the credibility of the redcheck in worstcase scenario with a miller and framer. Exo had 1 red and 1 green. Green being fake is irrelevant cuz he'd be mafia too and we means we lynch him. red check happens only 5 times, 3 mafia and 2 alignment changing mechanics. 3/5 is the times red check is legit. you don’t assign probabilities to framer cause the framer action is not a fucking role mafia dont roll dice when they frame people | ||
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math tutoring time you have 4 players 1 of them has your brains. and maybe your wallet too cause you dont have the brains to remember where it is if you pick two players from the 4 at random and cavity search them. how likely is it you find your brains and get your wallet back answer: 50% + Show Spoiler + ABCD A has your brains options are AB AC AD BC BD CD any pair with A in it gives you you brains back 3/6 = .5 | ||
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On April 14 2018 18:36 Oatsmaster wrote: this claim is completely untrustworthy and we dont actually need to lynch those 2 today wtf explain how the claim is untrustworthy we’ll wait | ||
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On April 14 2018 19:02 Calix wrote: Then vote ExO wtf. If you think he's lying then he should be 100% mafia to you, lol. I also have no idea what people are smoking. Instead of trying to figure out what alignments HF and rayn (who are like RLY GUD AT SCUM) are, or whether ExO claim makes sense (hint: it does), half the thread's dismissing the checks because of implausible role WIFOM. If HF/ rayn/ ExO actually WERE all town, why would mafia NOT try and vote one of them off? They'd have the perfect excuse. It's almost like there actually is a mafia in those names and they are stalling super-hard right now. Which is why I'm somehow getting lynched despite there being an unresolved cop claim. We have already seen how detrimental Eversince's unresolved claim (with the WIFOM, the mistakes, the implausible scenarios, the gun fuckery WHICH IS STILL A THING) was so anyone who thinks that leaving the cop claim/ checks around is either retarded or mafia. No matter how you spin it, the odds that the checks are legit are considerably higher and no amount of prattle about "Millers" or "Framers" is going to change that. tl;dr | ||
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On April 14 2018 19:04 Calix wrote: For people who are allergic to wall-posts, I'll make a tl;dr. LEAVING CLAIMS UNRESOLVED = BAD. USING ROLE WIFOM OVER ANALYSIS = ALSO BAD. therefore scum is?? i actually dont get it. if people think one of hf and rayn is scum when they dont even seem to think the other is scum then what does resolving the claim even mean analysis over role wifom is exactly why the check doesnt in the end mean anything useful. if one of them were actually scum i would have expected the actual scum to bite the bait and vote the other one. hf voted rayn but that was before the claim iirc. though who knows maybe he is scum and realized that would look bad and backed off but that is such a more convoluted explnation than them both being town | ||
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On April 14 2018 19:12 Calix wrote: I think one of you two should be the lynch as it stands, yes. Unless someone drops a case for scum!ExO. But if that results in a ML then you never ever auto next cycle since that would be LYLO. so trust the check but don’t trust the check | ||
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you cant lynch one, flip a townie and go well fuck guess I was wrong about the check being right and not kill the second player because that is admitting you never believed the check in the first place | ||
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skynx calix oats vivax which one most likely to be scum? | ||
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On April 14 2018 19:22 Vivax wrote: /shitposting hold my beer scumteam is: calix skynx vivax x marks the spot | ||
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literally the only reason to read vivax as town is the shitty meta read which i havent bothered to see if thats even real. and even if town vivax posts more hes self aware so it doesnt matter. if anything, being self aware is worse cause he’s fully aware hes not contributing anything helpful by spamming everything else is scummy -never reads, keeps pushing scum-aligned shit with outdated thread knowledge. like the rayn gun business -throws shade on ideas without actually even seeming to understand them, pretty blatantly misrepresneting me multiple times. for example constantly saying i am sying nonsense full of it etc but when you read his posts actually he brings up no points to counter what i am saying. him saying you only have one town read (on him) was also a lie or just misrepresntation of what was in the thread -one thing stood out was when i called him out for not voting calix. he didnt answer the question instead turned it on me “why arent you voting calix??” and claimed my read in calix is nonexistent. first assumes my read on calix, second this conclusion makes no sense if i dont have a read on a player why would i vote them then claimed he thought you are scum then proceeds to pair us (wtf??) when you openly contradicted him in thread but tl:dr by far the worst claims that both rayn & hf are scum goes on and on (wrongly) about how killing rayn is the rught thing to do since rayn has a gun if scum but votes you? ignoring that rayn cant have a gun, if he legitly thinks you are both scum and rayn has a gun he should be convincing us all to kill rayn but hes not doing that | ||
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On April 14 2018 19:40 Tubesock wrote: Skynx, Calix, Vivax, Oats in that order. With Oats townread. ok i actually think vivax is best chance for scum today but i think i am tunneled atm | ||
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i think hf is tied with calix but reached 3 first | ||
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after i schooled him in math he just sort of slinked off also why did he say he was excited about catching scumflare when he literally had one reason to vote hf | ||
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On April 14 2018 20:15 Tubesock wrote: And two nightlills, but I don’t understand why Hopeless dying would implicate him. And of course that’s from HF....so if one of the pair is mafia the NKks are super wifom anyway. I’d certainly frame NK’s to implicate someone and I’m terrible as mafia. implicate who? i think i missed what you are talking about here | ||
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On April 12 2018 04:02 Skynx wrote: Thx. I'm still yet to have an opinion on Vivax and homeless, tube is also null to me right now, probably one of them (and/or ES). I'll actually just put out what i have atm: HF, Oats, rayn tube, vivax, homeless Damdred, Calix/Exo (tvs) ignore: ES I'll definitely won't lynch into my town pile until 1 mafia is left and/or ES is dead. I've never actually played with scum!hf. scum!oats and scum!rayn fooled me once i think, so there are player capable of pulling off what they did so far as scum but I won't consider that possibility until dire need. Skynx if you actually believed calix/exo is tvs then shouldnt you be sure calix is scum now ##vote skynx | ||
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On April 14 2018 22:00 Holyflare wrote: I'm almost certain that this list changed to skynx scum reading vivax at some point. Am I wrong? i dont remember, i just vaguely remembered he tvsed calix and exo when i called out that group for voting calix and scumreading each other ytd so i looked for the post i’m gonna reread skynx now | ||
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his words basically always set himself up so he can change his opinions later. always hedging | ||
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On April 15 2018 06:04 Vivax wrote: See this is the shit you do when you're scum. The entire reason you are pushing skynx is the argument CH brought and when I easily dismiss his reasons as bollocks you just look for the next best thing within your reach that doesn't even have anything to do with what you originally agreed on. Either way you can ask the rest of the questions to Skynx including that one since what CH said is already explained away by me. why is it that you said i extrapolated but you seem to have no problem with this its like your standard for vivax is just different from everyone else in the game and thats actually really weird. | ||
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On April 15 2018 07:59 Holyflare wrote: Don't understand your question? And yes I do have a different standard for vivax. he claims the only reason you are voting skynx is because of something i said which is not true and he also says he refuted what i said which is also not true do you think vivax is scum or not? | ||
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On April 16 2018 09:37 Holyflare wrote: Is everyone in this game fucking mafia or do you guys just not understand democracy?????? yes the only non mafia in this game are me tube and rayn or maybe the jole is we are all town and there are no mafia at all. every night one person just randomly gets killed and in the end ff was just trollign us all along this explains why we lynch obvious scum and they fucking flip green | ||
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On April 16 2018 12:59 ExO_ wrote: maybe if you keep lyncing “obvious scum” and they keep flipping green, maybe the problem isn’t with the people flipping but with you! Nah your ego can’t handle that you’re wrong though, its every other players fault. i mean considering i only think you are town cause of your claim maybe i am shit at this game or maybe not cause it isnt my responsibility to make you play like a townie | ||
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the weirdest shit in there are the exo and calix reads. i have a hard time believing scum would write that shit. exo is playing shitty but theres no way a scum wiuld come in eod and claim exo is scum here imo. thats too ballsy. the simpler explanation is that rayn is town and omgusing exo a bit too hard since he was complaining about exo and vivax reading him incorrectly before the self lynch shit and the reaction after i also dont think scum would post. really though the real reason rayn cant be scum here is because of the way the gun fallout occurred. like there is literally 0 reason rayn would as scum try to confirm whether ever was telling the truth, then proceed to explain to everyone else why ever was scummy. given these same actions also proved he doesnt have a gun, assuming the game doesnt end tn (ie we havent already lost) then it becomes further very unlikely he was scum because that means scum rbed ever. if rayn was scum when the only indication was that ever woild give the gun to rayn, scum would not have rbed ever. moving on, actually the scummiest posts in recency are yours Calix. posting right before flip that you think skynx might be town? posting right after flip with no emotion and throwing in a line about “if mafia doesnt shoot me”? i see what you did there. theres no way you would die tn even if you are town, everybody fucking knows that rayn is a pretty easy target tmrw but given that hes basically confirmed town that makes you scum | ||
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On April 16 2018 17:48 Calix wrote: And if Rayn post was like, so townie then how is he an easy target again? wtf does this even mean you like easy targets dont you | ||
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On April 16 2018 17:47 Calix wrote: Defending a scum buddy? You didn’t use the “too bad to be scum” argument with Skynx or Ever so why does Rayn suddenly get a pass? Lol. Nothing you said actually makes him town, let alone confirmed town. I am not buying role WIFOM as a reason to read anyone. And there is no way that someone looks at Rayn’s recent posts and conclude “super townie” like ever. anyone reading this exchange who doubts whether calix is scum please tell me where i called rayn too bad to be scum | ||
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On April 16 2018 17:55 Calix wrote: I’ve been voting the same people as you the past two days pretty sure. And I’m saying that if his post is super townie then he isn’t an easy target because all you do is explain how he is super townie and voila, everyone will be convinced. Only your reasoning is absolute crap and shows you’re bullshitting. Because that post was terrible. yeah you fucking sheeped me. what does voting the same people have to do with having good reads his post is super townie to me. obviously scum would not understand that. which is great cause you outed yourself nice projection tho | ||
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On April 16 2018 18:00 Calix wrote: Your opening lines? Technically “too weird to be scum” but my point stands that your defense of the post is bad. To give an example, you say that “scum wouldn’t post the self lynch stuff” (why didn’t you say this for Skynx when he literally self voted?) when Rayn had no votes and Skynx had like 5. So it’s a really easy thing for scum to say. And he would scum read ExO because that’s been his scum read since SOD3 so why wouldn’t he continue that read? Writing on phone is hard lemme find a computer theres a huge difference between self voting when you are already dead and claiming youll kill yourself to make a point when youre not in any danger of dying skynx voting himself is completely null because he was already fucking dead. mafia bus each other and disappear from the thread when they are about to die too just like skynx disappeared. why would any scum invite attention to tjemselves by saying they will self lynch to prove a point when they have no votes on them as for the continuation of the exo read, he did continue his read??? you claim im writing bs but you just wrote something that fucking proves my point | ||
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On April 16 2018 18:05 Calix wrote: You said I liked the 'easy targets' which makes no sense since we've been voting for the same people, lol. So you basically said you also voted for the easy targets. So HF, ExO and I are the mafia team? Because we ALL hated that post and nobody else thinks it's townie at all. Because it isn't. It's a pile of aimless nonsense and you defending it this hard and attacking me = showing face. Dunno why you think I am getting MLed though. You'd have better luck pushing HF. holy fuck this is so disingenious we most definitely didnt vote the same people d1, because on d1 iirc i was trying to kill hf and no one wanted to kill hf cause hf is a bad d1 lynch or whatever other bs. d2 you sheeped me onto ever. sheeping doesnt require effort and i had a solid case on ever. i would lynch ever again in the same spot for the same reasons. d3 hf was probably the easiest target at the beginning but when people statted finding you scummy you managed to slip out of it and voted on the wagon with skynx. for someone who talked about static voting earlier your votes are pretty fucking static themselves. just more projection huh | ||
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On April 16 2018 18:13 Calix wrote: Uh no. Skynx voted for himself and PUT HIMSELF AHEAD OF HOLYFLARE as of voting. You are just making shit up, fam. You said you didn't get why mafia would "come in at EOD and say ExO is scum" and I answered by saying he was already reading ExO as scum so him coming in and making zero progression in his read is easy as fuck for a mafia to do. You looked at something that doesn't mean much for his alignment and concluded it makes him town. Agenda driving at its finest. more bs at the time he has 3 votes and he self votes making it 4 even if it gives him the lead to me i thought if hes scum he knows hes dead. as soon as people started leaving hf and voting skynx i was pretty sure i had a solid case on him. if i thiught that then i figured scum knew he was dead too. so why would i fucking change my read at that point knowinf that he flipped town doesnt fucking change that because at the time i didnt know he would flip town | ||
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On April 16 2018 18:26 Calix wrote: So you admit I'm right but shift the goalposts from "Skynx self-voted when he was already dead" (which I disproved and your rebuttal is still incorrect since mafia could have lynched into the checks/ cop instead) to "Skynx self-voting wouldn't make me change my read" (nobody said you should have changed your read so this is just a diversion). ok again for everyone else reading this calix says there is no difference between a self vote when someone already has votes on them. what skynx did vs talking about killing yourself to make a point. what rayn did. i say that voting yourself when you are pretty much dead is not the same thing as saying you will kill yourself when you are literally in no danger to die. rayn had 0 fucking votes, skynx had 3. i say that based on how the wagon was going it was pretty clear to anyone watching that momentum was shifting to skynx even though the votes were tied when he self voted. meaning everyone including obviously skynx himself, because he fucking self voted, knew he was gonna die. and this is somehow moving goalposts. then the part about changing reads. obviously calix was implying i should townread someone if they self vote based in what i said. so this is another misrepresentation. this part by itself proves that calix isnt being trithful here because we wouldnt be talkig about this otherwise anyway w/e. i am clearly talking to scum so since ive made my point im not gonna bother helping scum shit up the thread more | ||
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On April 16 2018 18:40 Calix wrote: You called me scum from square one so bickering with me after you got called out and then whining about 'not helping scum shit up the thread more' is hilarious. I can agree to stop though since HF didn't have a clue what we were on about. oh look more projection i am pointing out your misrepresentations so you get lynched you are just failing at discrediting me | ||
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On April 16 2018 18:42 Calix wrote: So two of your town-reads + three mafia = five votes when nine people were alive, and then you say ExO couldn't have been lynched in this nonsensical world you're building here?????? REALLY? ding ding ding baited hf WANTED to lynch exo. and then quickly townread him based on the timing, though i think he is fully capable of doing even as scum but at any rate that literally meant only rayn wanted to kill exo. which by the way also makes complete fucking sense if they are both town, because they were as far as i could tell town reading each other. so a check that comes back 1-1 makes the cop scummy to them. not to mention scum are probably fully aware that trying to lynch an uncced blue is fucking suicidal, especially all 3 on the same wagon, cause they would know the outcome of the flip. they would basically out themselves unless someone cced exo. but you are trying to say exo was definitely an easy lynch yesterday? gtfo | ||
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On April 16 2018 18:43 Calix wrote: I have an idea. Why don't you tell us what your scum team theory is and explain how it makes sense? I think that would probably help the rest of the thread, don't you think? sure. me tube and rayn are confirmed. exo is 70% town. that leaves you, oats, vivax, hf. of those players you are 100% scum and the others are equally likely at this point. | ||
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sheep tube, me, rayn, and exo, whichever 3 of us is alive tomorrow i guarantee scum will shoot into one of us 4. probably tube lives since hes vet so sheep tube for sure | ||
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On April 16 2018 18:55 Calix wrote: Saying something over and over again doesn't make it true. Rayn is not confirmed at all and I'm not mafia, let alone "100% scum". I'm noting that you have not tried to find a world that makes sense. Probably because a world with Calix/ Vivax/ HF or Calix/ Oats/ Vivax or Calix/ Oats/ HF or whatever falls apart like a house of cards. actually all of those scum teams make sense esp due to the d2 vote, someone was probably bussing Calix d2 cause scum almost never 100% aligns their votes in a 2 wagon scenario. since skynx flipped and tube & exo are prob town that means oats is likely to be scum. exo is 70% cause if he is still alive on d5 it was probably a fake claim. so that will resolve itself since if he’s alive d4 hes more likely to be scum but he’s not the most likely. assuming exo is town the real question is whether its vivax or hf who is the last one. simplest answer is its HF and vivax is just not able to read but vivax has been playing antitown all fucking game. anyway i’ll be dead before we have to make a decision on hf & vivax and i guarantee they will still be alive d5/d6 since there is no way scum will shoot the townie among the two before then in the offchance that scum didnt bus calix at all d2 then the team is calix & vivax & hf and we probably lost although calix & vivax & hf would push oats here since that would be a perfect win and the ballsy scum approach would have already worked so far. but anyway tube rayn exo who do you think is the best lynch tomorrow | ||
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On April 16 2018 19:23 ExO_ wrote: HF or Rayn, b/c one of them is scum 1. which one is more likely to be scum between the 2? now that skynx flipped town i personally think hf is more likely to be scum than town and i was wrong about them both being town. however tbh the one thing keeping me from saying he’s def scum is that i dont think scum will kill any townies between you, hf and rayn so we will have to pick later and until you flip my tinfoil is that you could be scum. i dont see why they couldnt just rb you forever if you are town. 2. let’s pretend hf is scum. who is scum with him? 3. let’s pretend hf is not scum. who is scum instead? | ||
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On April 16 2018 20:04 ExO_ wrote: Rayn/CH if gf in game HF, if not, oats. lynching outside of HF/Rayn is silly. If we lynched one today and it was wrong, we’d come into today with a guaranteed scum lynch. Instead we’re in lylo....or you guys will be. wait what. if gf is in game and rayn is also scum how would they return opposite alignments you scum bro? | ||
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you mean hf and rayn are both scum and one of them is gf. | ||
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On April 16 2018 20:48 ExO_ wrote: We’re fucking idiots for not realizing this until now. Framer means Rayn lied about not having gun. Anybody saying my check had to be wrong, should have also been suggesting Rayn is a liar. How the fuck did we not realize this sooner if rayn lied about having a gun then 1. he’s scum 2. we already lost since we are still here talking that means either scum hasnt sent their actions in or...gasp. rayn didn’t lie and he doesnmr have a gun also. if you read the fucking game you’d already know he can’t possibly have a gun, or be scum for that matter because of what happened d2. he literally asked ES to confirm if she had a gun. why the fuck would he do that if he is scum and knows already whether she has a gun or not | ||
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On April 16 2018 21:15 Calix wrote: To pretend that he doesn't know? This really isn't AI and it's insulting rayn's scum play to suggest that this is somehow out of his mafia range, lmao. Do you also town-read people for not knowing who the mafia shot? After all, why would they pretend not to know who died when they already know?  I agree that game would already be over if rayn had a gun though. if you are actually somehow town because exo is scum or its hf & vivax & oats or some other stupid shit i have no words for how fucking bad you are if he asks ever if she has a gun he doesn’t fucking have one. and scum would never make that play because no scum is ballsy enough to try and get that player lynched afterward, it draws so much attention. if youre town just fucking think about it. all indications are ever will give rayn a gun. so if rayn is scum, it’s pretty unlikely they rb her. that’s point 1. point 2, even if rayn is scum and they did rb her, he came into d2 asking her to confirm whether she had a gun or not. this clearly means he cannot have a gun. mafia would not do this because mafia agenda doesn’t get advanced by asking that question, because if rayn is scum he knows that asking that question immediately lets everyone know he doesnt have a gun. if rayn was scum why would he give out that info or prod ever for it? he would just let other townies waste time asking or let ever herself say it. and in the offchance she never does because shes bad, which she clearly is, mafia benefits. then, not only did he do all that, he then unhesitatingly helped make the case for her. as scum he would know she is town but he didn’t even fucking hedge. he didn’t hedge even when it was really early and wasnt clear that she was going to actually die. i would expect scum rayn to hedge his bet because he knows ever flips town. but he didnt at all. | ||
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On April 16 2018 21:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: oh and i also have a gun. rofl wtf | ||
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On April 16 2018 21:35 Holyflare wrote: Then lynch rayn, jesus fuck. Just look at the last cycle from a mafia perspective. Town skynx/town hf up for lynch, what is mafia gonna do? Shit all that's what. Who did shit all? Rayn, oats, you, skynx, ch, vivax (what did he actually do in regards to skynx?). Since you are claimed blue then you've got oats/rayn/ch/vivax. Yet you assume I'm the mafia? rofl I did shit all when I led the lynch on skynx by your own standards you are scum nice scumclaim | ||
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we havent lost yet but rayn has a gun what kind of weirdass world is this | ||
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On April 16 2018 21:40 ExO_ wrote: CH you don’t have ground to stand on. See your post just before Rayn said he had a gun no shit | ||
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On April 16 2018 21:43 Calix wrote: Uh it's not that hard to think of scenarios. One is Fecalfeast checking that mafia have a pulse. Two is rayn bluffing about the gun as either alignment. Three is rayn having a gun as town. are you trying to argue with me for the sake of arguing rayn lied about having a gun. hes scum | ||
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On April 16 2018 21:42 Holyflare wrote: You didn't lead the lynch on skynx. I would say calix led the lynch on skynx and you came up with a point that was not quite right. I also came up with things that cemented it. I feel like you are way too argumentative tonight with calix who looked very towny yesterday over monumentally shit points. uh actually i did votes speak for themselves. whatever bs you wanna come up with is just that | ||
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On April 16 2018 21:48 Calix wrote: I was responding to you pontificating about "rayn has a gun but we haven't lost yet? I cannot imagine why." Calm your tits, dude. i cant actually believe you might be town here and still write this horseshit | ||
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On April 16 2018 21:50 Holyflare wrote: If you want to argue semantics, you did vote skynx first. However, a first vote does not a leader make. says the guy who voted second guess who led on ever too | ||
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On April 16 2018 22:41 Holyflare wrote: Yes, you presented the leading case that got Eversince lynched. Congratulations? and you sheeped it if we’re both town who’s worse? like if rayn is scum here which looks like he is, you’re 95% town everyone calls you good but youre actually trash | ||
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On April 16 2018 22:42 Holyflare wrote: I feel like ch is wildly flailing at everything that he possibly can. It looks very opportune to me. nah i just hate this game and myself atm | ||
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On April 16 2018 22:55 Calix wrote: Obviously he should take some advice from you, super-pro player who is arguing with a town-read over some irrelevant nonsense. Now that you think rayn is mafia, who are his partners? You've just had one of your main reads do a 180. Where is game solving? Where is reevaluation of reads? I don't get how arguing over this with HF does any of those things as opposed to cluttering the thread. who gives a fuck at this point we lost | ||
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gg scum wp see you postgame | ||
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On April 17 2018 10:16 Vivax wrote: oh the cries for help my only friend died tonight are you town? we can still win | ||
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On April 17 2018 04:46 Vivax wrote: I'll leave the honourable society to their pointless ramblings then and just wait until TS and CH somehow lose the game for us. if you legitly think me tube and rayn are the last townies besides you shouldnt you be sure that scum is hf calix oats? let me guess, youre ok with killing any of them cause fuck it | ||
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mind explaining that to me vivax? like if i were town rayn here i would just vote hf i also wouldnt fucking lie about having a gun but lets agree to disagree that it doesnt mean anything for a hot second to entertain this idea | ||
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On April 17 2018 12:46 Vivax wrote: Yes I mind explaining that to you cause you are probably just trolling this game and never intended to win how exactly am i trolling if youre town then fuck it lets just give up now then. why even bother if youre gonna be such a colossal dick | ||
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so scum are all baddies? its just wifom calix you are pretty aware of what wifom is. i think of all players in the game you said it more than everyone else combined. so why is it that when it conveniences you to throw shade on others for using wifom thats them being scum or wasting time but when you use it, it makes you town | ||
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On April 17 2018 22:26 Calix wrote: I'm not arguing it makes me town. I literally said earlier in the thread that the night-kills do not confirm me as town. Rayn is defending himself by saying "well I'd never make these kills as mafia" so I am demanding to know why I, as his scum-read, would make those kills as mafia when it makes way less sense for me to have killed those people. so youre not arguing it makes you town but youre arguing it makes you town jesus if you actually are town youre seriously so stupid | ||
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tube i want you to tell me why you think calix is town | ||
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On April 17 2018 22:26 Calix wrote: I'm not arguing it makes me town. I literally said earlier in the thread that the night-kills do not confirm me as town. Rayn is defending himself by saying "well I'd never make these kills as mafia" so I am demanding to know why I, as his scum-read, would make those kills as mafia when it makes way less sense for me to have killed those people. i can read fine. you are not making a case for rayn beig scum here you are just defending yourself with wifom | ||
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On April 17 2018 22:12 Calix wrote: Yeah, does anyone wanna explain why I shoot some random AFK people when I was being widely scum-read N1 and N2? Because that's not how I roll either. like this whole post is not defending yourself with wifom? literally the same shit you called rayn out for | ||
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On April 17 2018 22:37 Calix wrote: No, you can't. I am using rayn's 'internal logic' against him. He apparently thinks that defending himself via NKs is fine. I'm applying the reasoning THAT HE IS USING to ask why I am mafia who makes those NKs. You do not need to be Sherlock Holmes to figure that one out. Also rayn has been using a shitton of WIFOM in his defense and you think he's scum. Why am I the only person you are attacking for this? I do not understand the difference. According to you, using NK WIFOM is bad. rayn is using NK WIFOM. You think I am using NK WIFOM. Why only talk about what I said exactly when, in your eyes, we were both doing the same thing? where did he call you scum based on the nks | ||
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On April 17 2018 22:41 Calix wrote: What? I'm not saying that he's calling me scum based on NKs. I don't care what nitpicking you do to make it sound like I did because I did not. I'm being very clear with what I'm saying here. You're either obtuse or just mafia. I'm going with the second option. you literally asked the thread how you are scum based on the nks, in response to what rayn said. this is not nitpicking, thats a fucking contradiction. why is rayn scummy for using wifom but you arent for asking the thread why you would kill those players? you don’t get it cause youre scum | ||
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On April 17 2018 22:41 Calix wrote: You are stretching so incredibly hard to avoid voting for rayn here, aren't you? yea you got me | ||
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keep in mind i am not around for deadline cause it is 4:30 am. in the next 24 hours pls talk with me i need you and whoever else is town to tell me what you think of calix if its oats & hf & rayn its cause rayn or hf is gf like exo said but oats & calix & rayn and oats & hf & rayn and oats & calix & hf are all possible too you know which one i think is the most likely but i wont say it here so that scum dont get tipped off. just remember the gun claim. ##vote Oatsmaster | ||
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and yet you too said exactly the same thing though with you its way less obvious than calix | ||
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On April 17 2018 21:42 Calix wrote: I've been digging through past games as if I can somehow find cheat codes to how rayn/ Oats operate. I'm still concluding that both are mafia. I may be tunneled at this point, lol. guarantee this never happened btw | ||
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On April 18 2018 06:45 Holyflare wrote: Just know I will never believe a team with calix in it cause youre scum with calix i find it really interesting youre both buddying this hard now | ||
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like this is clearly misrepresenting what i said calix saying rayn is scummy for using wifom BY ITSELF is fine its that calix turned around and then literally used the same logic to self defend after calling it scummy then backtracked later and said nuh uh i’m not self defending i’m just using rayn’s logic which is just made up bs. rayns nk logic is not scummy, and the whole “its a taste of his own medicine” is just backtracking | ||
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On April 14 2018 04:56 Holyflare wrote: I dunno. What can get people to instantly 180 on their reads and vote someone that they thought was town hmmmmmm? i found something HF & calix both fake crumbed blue roles HF “called out” calix for it and actually i remember a post by vivax (cant find it now) where he called out HF for voting calix but basically pushing rayn in thread or something like that now if they were scum in this position they would have just gotten really unlucky that both exo and tube claimed right after. and HF in particular has acted really weirdly about both claims. however from town perspective what gain would hf get from fake claiming here to kill rayn? as scum though it makes perfect sense cause i think he probably knows either he kills rayn first and rayn flips town (or even scum if they are buddies) and then the rest of the game is coasting even in the worst case he gets lynched after cause it wrecks the game | ||
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yea it makes no sense as town HF backtracked the fake cop claim. as town if he did this and then gets CCed by a cop then mafia find out who the real cop is. and the events after show that HF was more than happy to argue his way out cause he was one of the main people indirectly throwing shade on the check that exo had, cause obviously he knows he is scum and rayn is town but now hes stuck in this weird position where if he backtracks on rayn he looks bad, but the game from his position if he is scum basically forces him to pick between vivax and rayn for the last scum. hes good enough to know this and hasnt dropped his vote yet. so hes just thinking now how he can vote without looking suspicious. also he eliminates the possibility of calix being scum. but why would you as town eliminate that possibility but talk about tube possibly being scum here. there is literally no reason to eliminate calix as a possibility ##vote holyflare i’m sorry vivax you were right all along. i was right d1 too I just fucked up and let him fool me | ||
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if he is town and he gets cced, mafia get two mislynches. so no way town HF would fake claim cop here | ||
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On April 18 2018 14:50 Holyflare wrote: Let's not forget that I didn't even rescind it ever. Your theory is also that I'm on a team with calix where I'm not scum read ever and decide to fake claim blue as well as calix in a 13 player game the thing is neither of you actually fake claimed blue just crumbed it now why would you do that as vts to set up a fake claim later? why would a vt ever do that? | ||
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On April 18 2018 14:50 Holyflare wrote: Let's not forget that I didn't even rescind it ever. Your theory is also that I'm on a team with calix where I'm not scum read ever and decide to fake claim blue as well as calix in a 13 player game also since you didnt rescind it youre claiming cop now? rofl | ||
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On April 18 2018 14:58 Holyflare wrote: I've posted why I did it so it's quite obvious. It's scummy for you to push this now when you knew it existed last cycle and said absolutely nothing about it. no actually i legitimately didnt think about it last cycle, so sorry nice try also exo was alive last cycle and there was still the chance he was scum. i actually didnt believe either of you or rayn were scum. but actually you pointing out that exo wouldnt claim in that situation as scum sort of made sense. but really i never stopped and thought about why you would crumb cop there at all until just now. | ||
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On April 18 2018 15:02 Holyflare wrote: Which when you are darthfoley you already know. rofl i’m not darthfoley but ok no one has guessed whi i am yet and probably none of you can | ||
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On April 18 2018 15:00 Holyflare wrote: You directly quoted the post even! how is that a proof of anything ofc as scum you need to explain why you faked the crumb. when i quoted it i wasnt thinking about the crumb, i was pointing out that i thought vivax is scum because of the townreads bs. i was pretty much just tunneled on whether you said you thought rayn was town or not bc at the time i thought you were town but again nice try | ||
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On April 18 2018 15:04 Holyflare wrote: If I am cop fake crumbing a check on rayn why do I never vote him? you cant fucking rewrite history nice try though opening d3 On April 14 2018 04:31 Holyflare wrote: ##vote raynpelikoneet unlucky mate | ||
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On April 18 2018 15:06 Holyflare wrote: No you are darthfoley. I've done a meta analysis on your posts and you're the only one who posts some of the words you type in the way you type them. You were either disformation or darthfoley. Feel free to tl search it Keep maintaining the lie though. oh rly? if thats actually true i’m sure you can paste that analysis jere for everyone to see but it cant possibly be true cause i know i’m not either if those people lol. actually i’m not even sure if i’ve ever played with either of them someone got pretty close to guessing my identity already, btw. | ||
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vivax, oats, rayn: whichever two of you are town just read this exchange I have had with hf now. 1. hf fake crumbed a check, voted rayn in thread right afer deadline. he even talks about it in thread afterward with other players including tube 2. exo claims after hf and immediately votes hf. 3. hf’s immediate reaction is to disbelieve exo’s claim and actually doubts the crumbs too. 4. at some point hf realized he cant get exo killed and backs off and encourages everyone to kill outside the claims to find scum at the time i was actually fine with this as i was trending to read hf as a townie asshole but i was wrong to flip my read i the first place | ||
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why? its just a giant fake explanation for why you snap voted rayn. oh but you just said you didnt vote rayn? which one is it? you cant even keep your story straight | ||
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On April 18 2018 15:21 Calix wrote: I could have told you that earlier, HF. CH doesn’t give a damn about what alignment you are. He only cares about finding shit to fling against the wall. He even said so himself when he “found something” before making up some inane theory about blue softing. It’s quite blatant. ah yes i as scum would out myself by saying “i found somethingl brilliant analysis | ||
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On April 18 2018 15:28 Calix wrote: You’re outing yourself by pushing stuff you didn’t care about earlier and which makes no sense from scum POV. Also by calling me “confirmed scum” for shit which doesn’t make people scum. Your reads have changed at the drop of a hat today. First Rayn is mafia and so is Oats, then you suddenly make an about-turn to attack me over how I word my posts. When nobody found that convincing you started talking shit about HF and suddenly Rayn and Oats can be town here. Despite Oats being all but outed mafia. For shame. youre confirmed scum to me because only scum would misrepresent my reads this hard also i have to say i trapped you pretty good i legitly thought rayn was scum following the gun backtrack. but if rayn is scum i cant also be scum, anyone reading the game would know that. he backtracked on the gun, making me think he is scum literally when i was in the process if posting about how he cant possibly be scum. now explain to me how i am scum with scum rayn in that scenario cause i’m sure everyone else would love to hear your brilliant analysis as usual what made me flip on rayn (which i kept to myself) was vivax’s post which i think makes him probable town. though even as scum he would post that, as i think if he is scum with hf here he definitely busses. but why bother broadcasting that at lylo when i want to see who scum are? you voted rayn eventually and confirmed that. | ||
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On April 18 2018 15:47 Holyflare wrote: How about checking the vote thread before you spin your bad narrative You just fully committed to a scum claim. You'd rather fling shit at every possible turn than actually try and figure out alignments. None of this questions why I did what I did and instead just endless narratives. i already did and i already knew youd try to spin it as “oh i didnt actually vote rayn cause i didnt put it in the vote thread” thats such a flimsy defense, youre basically setting yourself up to be able to say anything here | ||
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On April 18 2018 15:52 Tubesock wrote: Hmmm. I kinda think everyone is town and everyone is mafia. To be fair, HF does that fake crumbing stuff all the time. I’ll probably fallback on Oats. Plus I’ll be sad if Vivax is right. if hes right we need to kill hf eventually anyway also we need to decide within the next few hours cause i wont be around at deadline to swap my vote. i’m going to be gone after about another 2 hours. anyway i think its pretty simple. there is one scum between vivax oats and rayn. and at this point the least likely to be scum between them is probably vivax cause rayn could be scum with hf & calix if one of them is gf like exo said. which means killing oats today is not the best choice. calix is somehow saying oats is outed scum here but voting rayn. if calix actually believes oats is 100% outed scum then why the fuck is calix voting someone non-guaranteed-scum when we need to be unanimous? predictably calix will probably switch to oats when no one is going to vote rayn and its still clear oats is the lynch today, which either means we lose bc oats is town or we get another day to decide between calix hf rayn and whoever else is alive. instead the best choice is for us to kill either hf or calix. i’m fine with either since we have to kill both eventually, though i really wanna see hf flip scum :p | ||
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On April 18 2018 16:10 Holyflare wrote: So let me just confirm. You absolutely know that I didn't vote properly but your line is that I am lying about fake voting? wut there is no town motivation to 1. fake crumb cop 2. put a vote in the thread and then go back on it right after like in the worst case (which fucking happened actually) the actual cop comes out and claims gee i wonder why exo claimed yesterday semi-unluckily for you he also happened to red check you if youre town youre smart enough to know that the actual cop claiming is actually what would happen and you did it anyway which means youre not town | ||
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On April 18 2018 16:12 Holyflare wrote: Calix is absolutely town and everything of hers that you have tried to construe as scummy today was so bad and twisted I can't comprehend how your mafia brain could even do that. feel free to disprove anything i said on calix. i’ll wait | ||
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On April 18 2018 16:25 Holyflare wrote: It wasn't a fake crumb. Let's just get this straight. It was pretty much a claim to make rayn do something because, like I said, it was a rayn nk. Exo claiming was nothing to do with my claim either and you are saying my mafia strategy is to trade 1 for 1 with the cop for absolutely no reason. You have no thought behind why I would claim as mafia in the slightest. That is what makes you mafia. There is an abundance of reasons why I would do a not-hard pressure claim on rayn as town (and I always do this as town which you seem to be neglecting) vs the 0 reasons you have provided for my mafia thought process. If you're saying I claimed to draw out the cop and fight him why the fuck would I do that? I have 0 time to play this game an an argument about who is cop just leads to my lynch and it's a pointless 1 for 1 trade. Why bother doing that? If nobody claims cop then there should be 3 other claims and we lynch my red check and I trade 1 for 1 again. Or I could just stay being absolutely town read and not claim and have no fear of being lynched.......???? Like fucking exo was a cop, he was mislynch number 1 on that cycle. I would have no idea and keep pushing him before his cop claim because that would be my mafia strategy for a mislynch. Claiming cop to get rayn lynched who you are now saying is my partner.... .... ....??? the part after “if you are saying” is soooo scummy cause clearly that is not what i am saying. such a long post is not necessary for something this fucking simple. town hf does not fake crumb cop in that scenario. because town hf knows that fake crumbing cop would out the real cop. given the ACTUAL EVENTS in thread, the real cop actually did out himself. whether it was because hf fake crumbed or not is not clear because he happened to get a red check between hf and rayn. he also voted hf yesterday. and up until it was clear that everyone believed exo’s claim, hf attacked exo for claiming and threw shade on it and exo’s crumbs. but feel free to deny that hf. those are all just simple facts that make you scum | ||
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splitting hairs on the word i use is also pretty fucking scummy. you cant deny that after that “vote” you even asked tube in thread why your read would change. anyone who saw that would basically assume you are claiming cop with a red check on rayn. if i were a cop and saw that i would 100% call you out on it and then vote you. which unsurprisingly is what exo did, though again the only unlucky part for you is that he actually did have a red check | ||
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fake claiming cop with a red check on rayn (who you know to be scum) is definitely a play you can make because youre smart enough to know that others will think you cannot both be town if youre both alive d3. bus but win 2 cycles later, if people dont want to kill rayn you can just kill another townie. which we did so yay for scum now in this situation its lylo and its very likely that whoever is scum will bus as well. so either oats or rayn or even both could be scum with you but i highly doubt it cause calix is far more likely to be scum than either of them and definitely both of them together. but it sucks cause atm we are not together and you probably wont die today | ||
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On April 19 2018 03:41 Holyflare wrote: I simply don't agree that someone pretending to be who they aren't and throwing people off the scent makes them mafia. It's called an opinion and we clearly disagree. If you just look at his filter you absolutely know he's a regular. Don't play dumb and say "if he's a regular". He fucking tried to chezinu rule me with rng and EVEN ADMITTED PEOPLE SAID HIS NAME. why are you still talking about this no one said my name yet what btw I am 100% town. the fact that we didn’t lose means my vote was parked on scum | ||
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On April 19 2018 05:00 Holyflare wrote: If ch was town then oats/x/y just switches to me and the game would be actually over. Ergo. and if I am town but you are scum this is not the case because oats already reached 3 votes. nice lie of omission | ||
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scum know oats is dead i am bad at scum but not not that bad at scum that i would willingly park my vote on a non-teammate who is basically as good as dead well before lynch when i know I’m not going to be around when the flip happens. so the only explanation is that hf is scum | ||
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On April 19 2018 06:21 Holyflare wrote: Vivax you better work with me to set up a mislynch lol | ||
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tbh i have no desire to play anymore, my reads have been terrible this game. oats flipping scum with my vote off him sets me up to get mislynched. hf scum too good | ||
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On April 19 2018 16:27 Holyflare wrote: Why does a hf/calix scum team kill gb n1??????????? why would anyone kill gb n1? completely wifom. for example let me do the exact same thing you just did if i were scum why would I kill GB? he was my top fucking scumread going into d2 before he died. i called him scum and could get him lynched. why would i implicate myself by killing him? ffs he had a post where he named 7 people in the game as being the d1 lynch. then he also said you and rayn were scummy and should be lynched too, except not d1. but yea keep trying to convince us all that what i say is auto scum but what you say somehow makes sense | ||
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On April 19 2018 16:35 Calix wrote: More importantly, Vivax, if you think Calix/HF is a thing, that means you’re claiming to have found 2 mafia by Night 1. So I will ask you one thing. Why are you still alive? Because right now you’re claiming we leave around a guy who scumreads 2 mafia and decide to shoot GB instead on N1. Who was never going to vote for mafia the next day in a HF/Calix world since he would only vote for Rayn, Skynx and maybe CH. (which includes 2/3 mafia in Rayn/CH world) And not only this, but we decide to leave you around until N4 at least. But you still haven’t considered that MAYBE nobody wants you dead because your reads are well off. and again let me do the same thing why is HF still alive? rofl | ||
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On April 19 2018 16:37 Tubesock wrote: Yup, rayn/CH. if youre town youve got to be better than this hf can’t be town here. and his teammate is asking why vivax is still alive when the real question is why hf is still alive lol | ||
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On April 19 2018 16:45 Calix wrote: Not even remotely close to the same thing. HF was primarily mafia reading town for a lot of the game. Vivax is claiming here that Vivax found 2 mafia BY N1. But somehow wasn’t shot ever. and yet if he did get shot hf is smart enough to know it would immediately implicate him gee for someone who hates others using wifom you sure do you use it yourself a lot | ||
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On April 19 2018 16:47 Holyflare wrote: His last post named 2/3 mafia. I was going to get protection as the towniest in the game. You can't kill rayn because he's your partner. Vivax and calix were scum reads of the whole thread. Everyone else easy mislynch. Who else would you kill? oh please you werent town read n1. both me and vivax are town and we both read you as scum d1/n1 but we were the only ones. killing either of us would have brought so much attention to you. any townie with half an ego would be like omg we caught scum hf. hell, that even happened this game (remember skynx?? “i’m proud we caught scumflare” or whatwver) if i were scum i would 100% try to kill you or rayn n1 even at the risk of you being protted because i am not good enough at scum to get someone like you or rayn lynched. however for you in this situation you couldnt nk rayn because that would implicate you on balance. you couldnt nk me or vivax because we thought you were scum. | ||
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On April 19 2018 16:55 Holyflare wrote: I was BY FAR the most town read in this game hahahahahahahaha if this is true why the fuck would ES give her gun to rayn instead of you | ||
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On April 19 2018 16:57 Holyflare wrote: Why the fuck would es not claim she still had her gun? All valid questions. ??? shes a flipped townie who clearly townread rayn more than you yet you were the towniest person n1 and both vivax and myself thought you were scum so really your whole nk bs just now was a giant fucking projection. you couldnt kill rayn because HE was townier than you and likely to be protted | ||
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On April 19 2018 16:59 Holyflare wrote: In your world I wasn't town read by many, I've been wrong all game etc etc. So why ask this question about me and not rayn who you are saying was somehow the most towniest because of some es gun crap. n1 and now are different things at d2 or d3 you became more townie to me and mostly everyone. maybe even vivax, though i honestly dont remember what vivax did d2 or d3 since i stopped paying attention to what he was posting and focused on other players (sorry vivax) at the same I thought rayn was definitely town d2 for the gun shit but since ever flipped town i’m not sure anyone considered rayn the towniest person n2. i even thought rayn was scum n3 due to the gun backtrack bs he pulled. so it makes sense to me why rayn wouldnt get shot n2 or n3. and actually neither of you getting shot n3 also makes sense due to the check. you on the other hand, became townier d2 so why wouldnt you be dead by n2? | ||
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On April 19 2018 16:49 Calix wrote: ROFL at this hedge. Going “If you’re town” on the obvtown Veteran. if youre scum you should know its not a hedge | ||
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On April 19 2018 17:41 Vivax wrote: I have no idea who you could be if you're actually from Europe. You don't fit any style that I can recall besides WBG. If your name is an anagram of some shit you are definitely wbg. well you were the only one who noticed i use metric so i thought you knew actually isnt wbg american | ||
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On April 19 2018 17:44 Holyflare wrote: Mate. That's why they're going to kill him despite him not really doing anything and not you. you and me we could have been heroes tmrw come fite me bro its gonna be epic your friends vs my friends david vs goliath (im david btw) jon snow vs the night king (youre the nk obvs) muhammad ali vs george foreman (you get the idea) dun dun dun we need some epic host-sponsored music in here | ||
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On April 19 2018 18:00 Holyflare wrote: I mean I'm still just not mafia. If you're saying you're not mafia then you should reevaluate. you mean i should reread my role pm and find out i’m not a vt? btw that breadcrumbing shit you and calix pulled was cute | ||
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you think i am scum now hf has poisoned you | ||
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we kill hf tomorrow ok? i believe in the power of us i’m gonna take a wild guess and say hf actually just trolls us, holds the mafia shot and doesnt kill anyone tn otherwise i have no idea why he would spend so much time talking about vivax being alive tmrw but now that i said this maybe he changes to spite me shoot me hf if you dare | ||
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On April 19 2018 18:25 Vivax wrote: I'm feeling TS tinfoil here btw. He's detached as shit from this game and for some weird reason thinks HF is town. And I'm not sure if three blues are feasible in this setup. That would mean that Calix is town though and that IS a scary thought. 13 players, 3 blue, 3 red, 5 vanilla seems okay to you? I'm not much of a setup expert. i waffle between ts and calix scum but i think it is like 99% calix if you go back and look at the way the votes played out it doesnt make sense otherwise esp d2 | ||
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like he knows calix is gonna sheep hf on me and then tomorrow i am the lynch like the oats vote yesterday. oats and calix start by voting rayn. even though calix says oats is scum the whole time then oats takes 3 votes and calix and hf both vote oats so this makes tube way less likely to be scum i think | ||
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On April 19 2018 18:15 Vivax wrote: Why would he ever shoot anyone besides TS, then he would have to follow a rayn + anyone not calix scenario. Then again TS looks like a vote in his favour. Must be a pretty shitty dilemma for mafia right now so I guess not shooting is the best choice here. If he shoots me you have to be mafia with rayn, if he shoots you I have to be mafia with rayn. If he shoots TS he gets lynched by me, rayn and you. yea what even happens in a 6 player scenario like imagine its me you rayn vs ts calix hf like whichever one is town between ts and calix is just vying for shittiest townie award at that point and if we all just slam our votes down it comes down to whether calix/ts vote before we do rofl and i am not here for deadlines cause theyre 4:30 am so we just lose cause of timing? | ||
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On April 19 2018 18:56 Holyflare wrote: Why are you guys even calling calix mafia???? What has she done that's so scummy that you're no regrets committed to it. Ever since she's been up for lynch she's produced content. ding ding ding “produced content” classic reason for HF to not actually follow through on the calix “scumread” all game and push the lynch all the way every time calix neared death you just backed off hmmmmmmm also we guys? its just me and vivax and you think i’m scum lol. in fact i should be confirmed scum to you if you are town thanks for confirming me as town though broski | ||
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do you townread tube here? while we’re at it i wanna hear your opinion on vivax since i guess in some bizarro world vivax hf is also possible. after we kill hf I probably die since the d4 vote confirmed me as town. though mafia could kill you too since the check was between you and hf. so then final day is something like one of me/you + one of vivax/tube/calix vs one other. which i’m gonna guess is just gonna be calix cause calix is the simplest choice here | ||
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On April 19 2018 19:35 Holyflare wrote: Just you and vivax? Rayn has also said it. I've also not "just backed off". I've reevaluated, looked at new information and made a new decision. Night 1,absolutely calix is mafia. Day 2 probably not since she was a counter wagon to obvious mafia es. Night 2/day 3 absolutely mafia. Then she produced content, actually tried and dug and found good points. I changed my read and agreed with her pushing skynx, so did the majority of the game. It's called evaluation. uhuh whatever you say bro apparently to scumflare all you need to do is post walls of text and you become town like really every time calix posts my eyes glass over | ||
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On April 19 2018 19:35 Vivax wrote: Judging by the shifts he usually writes about he's likely in shackles in some finnish gulag rofl i choked on my spit oh god | ||
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On April 19 2018 19:39 Holyflare wrote: You're also not confirmed scum at all. I'm open to absolutely any of you being mafia with a preference of you and rayn. Rayn just sits back and posts nonsense that I'm mafia because of arbitrary reasons he doesn't even believe. He prefaces his reads with "I don't think you're mafia" but then lists reasons that aren't true. I think you're mafia because as soon as it hit lylo you've tried your best to twist logic, throw things back at people and do things that are anti town. The game is quite simple, you have a discussion with someone, look at their filter and what they've been pushing and make a decision. You seem to pick someone posting twist it and call them mafia. It's bad play but also scummy. I also don't want to be a dick and wave this breadcrumb thing in people's faces because it's borderline unfair but nobody with a straight face can see that and call me mafia. Ever. let’s zoom in on the first sentence here cause town hf does not say this remember earlier hf also said like me that we need to be unanimous to win today (d4) ok. so if I voted a townie HF yesterday why are we still here debating this the only way this game is still going and HF hasn’t figured out that I am confirmed scum is...gasp! if HF is scum and I am town | ||
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On April 19 2018 19:40 Holyflare wrote: Is this what my post said? I really don't think so. “produced content” “posted walls of text” what is really the difference here | ||
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On April 19 2018 19:44 currentlyhomeless wrote: let’s zoom in on the first sentence here cause town hf does not say this remember earlier hf also said like me that we need to be unanimous to win today (d4) ok. so if I voted a townie HF yesterday why are we still here debating this the only way this game is still going and HF hasn’t figured out that I am confirmed scum is...gasp! if HF is scum and I am town tube just read this and pls explain how, if I am scum and HF is town, hf would not know I am confirmed scum in this scenario. like if this is real hf should be 100% sure i am scum but he says “you are not confirmed scum at all” i am not scum and if youre town youre also wrong about calix | ||
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vivax, fistbump homeslice rayn you too hope you escape the finnish gulag tube we need you tomorrow. hf is gonna hold his shot and then try to swing vivax to his side. but its gonna be 3v3 and whoever gets to 3 first wins cause this game has a weirdass tie mechanic so please read my post 2987 and see the light and if somehow you are scum fuck you how are you so good at this game calix pls vote hf | ||
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On April 19 2018 20:00 Tubesock wrote: I don’t understand why you’d be confirmed scum either.... are you srs town HF says I am “not guaranteed to be scum” let’s say I am town with town HF that means my vote as a townie was on another townie which means scum can just win the game by all voting HF but we are still playing the game so if hf is town I must be scum hf is a smart player!! he probably just realized his mistake and is gonna say some bs about timing now | ||
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tube if youre alive tomorrow which i’m betting we all will be cause hf doesnt have the balls to shoot here i can explain it to you again then | ||
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ok tube rayn we got this https://i.imgur.com/wizKsZL.gifv | ||
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On April 20 2018 08:53 Tubesock wrote: I think the V kill was for wifom. I showed I’m waffley so I guess it’s a shot in the dark that I could change my mind to lynch HF. Vivax pretty much flat out said he would before he died. I’m going with GlowingBear the Prophet, the hero we need but don’t deserve. ##raynpelikoneet. what is this i dont even | ||
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On April 20 2018 09:51 Tubesock wrote: I am terrible that’s been established already. I don’t see how HF is confirmed scum though. And because the game didn’t end yesterday is not a reason I will believe or accept. ok feel free to continue ignoring info. rayn actually has no choice today except to vote hf and neither do i. vivax dying ensured that and yet hf is somehow saying that you now become suspicious that should tell you everything you need to know | ||
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On April 20 2018 16:08 Holyflare wrote: I really hope you're not town ch because your lylo play has been opportune awfulness. is this the point where you start trying to convince me not to vote you | ||
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On April 20 2018 16:57 Tubesock wrote: Playing below your abilities for easy competition. Like a masters SC2 player losing 100 games so they can be in silver league and crush newbs. right so why would vivax say that | ||
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On April 20 2018 17:00 Tubesock wrote: In Vivax’s context he probably meant he will try now. So what? i mean are you srs ROFL | ||
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On April 20 2018 17:33 Holyflare wrote: I am. Also this is retarded because I still think rayn is mafia and when he flips mafia then I'm confirmed town so there's no shade to be thrown. Just info gathering. You can't spin this into your bs narrative because I'm playing for the game to continue after rayn dies. hmm you think rayn is mafia not know | ||
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hf said oats was in asia too one is tinfoil one is occam’s razor occam’s razor: hf scumslipped cause afaik oats is american tinfoil: tube & rayn are scum so the reason they didnt swap to hf is because tube cant be around for deadline | ||
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i targetted vivax n1 rayn n2 and n3 and vivax again last night i actually had my action on hf n3 but swapped it to rayn when he claimed he had a gun i was going to claim after we killed another scum but vivax died i was the reason ff posted this: On April 10 2018 23:50 Fecalfeast wrote: Q&A with FecalFeast In the event a limited-use role is blocked or jailed, that role retains the use of their ability. If a pm would normally be given to a player who was blocked, that pm will read "no result" Otherwise, roleblock targets are not notified via pm cause i asked what happens if i block the person who holds the gun. | ||
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On April 20 2018 19:38 Tubesock wrote: You jailed Vivax last night? Uuuhhhhhmmmmmm yep and he died | ||
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On April 20 2018 19:32 Holyflare wrote: Rayn is still always the lynch here. Whether you are claiming to save him and win or not doesn't negate the check. I don't think Calix is mafia at all either so she has to choose between one of you. no actually its not to save rayn, actually it was thanks to something you said and something tube said as well which caused me to reread on tube. you said I wasn’t confirmed scum and I was actually very confused why you would say that if you are scum here. so I thought maybe the shitty scum idea has its merit and I tried to figure out who actually would not be here for deadline. and lo and behold the only person who wouldn’t be here is tube | ||
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but anyway I am open to convincing. at this point I am not sure Calix is scum either. You both reacted to my confusion by calling it flailing which actually cemented my read of Calix & HF but legitly I just couldn’t figure out what was going on. and then said I was misrepresenting shit which is clearly not the case. but w/e | ||
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On April 20 2018 19:46 Tubesock wrote: And you. And rayn. if I were scum and HF is town why would I need to be here for deadline my vote was already on HF | ||
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On April 20 2018 19:27 Holyflare wrote: Why didn't you claim to get tubesock lynched on skynx day? Why have you REPEATEDLY said the team is me and calix when tubesock is confirmed mafia to you? Jesus that claim. btw you need a good explanation for this post hf | ||
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On April 20 2018 19:50 Tubesock wrote: True. * nice try I gave you several hours to talk but you chose not to any reasons why? | ||
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On April 12 2018 03:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Tbh this one you are wrong on. Vivax attacked es only after ch and me said she saw only 1 flip but didnt know gb flipped. That is a different thing you were saying. I am home in an hour. Can you bulletpoint a liat on vivax where you want my opinion on to make it faster? On April 12 2018 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Or ES was just genuinely afk and didn't know who mafia shot but knows she will claim roleblocked anyways (aka i didn't shoot). ok rayn would be here for deadline. He posted these splitting the deadline. so it’s just tube. ##vote raynpelikoneet | ||
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there was another post I was thinking about from ytd. Calix asked why Vivax didn’t die n1. I also wondered why Vivax didn’t get shot n1 since he lived, because I was pretty convinced he was right about HF. Then he lived and I was like ok maybe I am wrong about HF. you can go back and actually see that my read on HF sort of just changes. this would explain why Vivax wouldn’t have been shot n1- in a tube & rayn mafia world he was wrong about HF & Calix the whole time. the problem I had yesterday and even this morning was that I couldn’t get past why we didn’t lose d4 since I had not been voting oats. So I assumed it was because HF is scum. lastly Vivax guessed my identity. So no matter what happens he was at least right about that lol. | ||
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On April 20 2018 20:00 Tubesock wrote: Nope. Haven’t seen anything that would make me think my reads on HF or Calix are wrong. cool. you must be scum with rayn, only scum here would not be open to changing their reads. | ||
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On April 20 2018 20:06 currentlyhomeless wrote: btw there was another post I was thinking about from ytd. Calix asked why Vivax didn’t die n1. I also wondered why Vivax didn’t get shot n1 since he lived, because I was pretty convinced he was right about HF. Then he lived and I was like ok maybe I am wrong about HF. you can go back and actually see that my read on HF sort of just changes. this would explain why Vivax wouldn’t have been shot n1- in a tube & rayn mafia world he was wrong about HF & Calix the whole time. the problem I had yesterday and even this morning was that I couldn’t get past why we didn’t lose d4 since I had not been voting oats. So I assumed it was because HF is scum. lastly Vivax guessed my identity. So no matter what happens he was at least right about that lol. derp why he lived = why he didn’t get shot | ||
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On April 20 2018 20:17 Tubesock wrote: Lol that’s all you have to say? really? so boring man | ||
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On April 20 2018 08:10 currentlyhomeless wrote: ah mother of cack ok tube rayn we got this https://i.imgur.com/wizKsZL.gifv the dog is me tube 😈😈😈😈 | ||
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On April 20 2018 20:14 currentlyhomeless wrote: btw since vivax died last night scum know my role now since tube is bussing rayn that prob means tube is the rber and I won’t be able to save anyone tmrw HF did you read before you posted? If I hadn’t gotten RBed though actually we would’ve lost so actually scum got really unlucky here cause me and vivax and rayn would’ve just lynched you | ||
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On April 20 2018 20:30 Holyflare wrote: Why do I need to explain this? You think there's 4 blues in a 13 player game???? are you serious this is why I can’t read you properly. first you actually think I am kush or sicklucker or df or whatever other scrub go and filter me, and read the first posts I make in this thread pregame where I fucking talk about balance. The number of blues FF had in the setup was absurd and actually I thought gunsmith was weak so it didn’t surprise me that he added it. Gunsmith is swingy, JK & vet balances it. Parity cop is normal. or so I thought. I’m not gonna read someone scum on balance when the host’s open setups were town stacked to bein with | ||
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On April 20 2018 20:44 Holyflare wrote: I don't believe almost half the game is a role. Simple as that I'm afraid. it has happened before. one of my first games on this forum actually: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/263036-my-little-pony-mafia and hammer, 4 scum and 6 blues: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/303505-hammer-mini-mafia and this one too: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/321159-c9-mini-mafia I’ve hosted a couple games myself with similar setups, though the gunsmith role is kind of abnormal | ||
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On April 20 2018 21:10 Holyflare wrote: You can't talk to me about throwing the game either. You've been saying everything myself and calix have been saying is specifically mafia orientated when it's likely just not. because you say I’m misrepresenting it when I know I’m not! actually stepping back, us butting heads is what made me reread. I reread a lot because I was so confused. Anyway ignore the balance aspect for a second and hear me out. We clearly don’t agree on the balance aspect and you can’t say that it isn’t possible because I’ve literally hosted a game with that many blues. these are the only things that you need to think about 1. why would I be so sure vivax would live yesterday 2. if I were scum why would I shoot vivax and then claim I’m a jailer who protted him on the same night. If I were scum I could’ve just shot Tube and gotten you lynched with rayn. there are plenty of other reasons too but these are the main ones | ||
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n1 I thought you were scum, protted vivax and surprised GB (??) died instead. So I treated you as town. I actually then flipped on Vivax because he seemed to not be reading any of my posts. I more or less 100% read rayn as town because he caught exactly the same things I did on ever, and his play on d2 was really good. and because of that waffled on you (honestly for shitty team balance reasons but w/e) out of the two claims I initially thought exo was scummy because the check didn’t make sense since I thought you were both town. But exo didn’t seem scum either so I figured I would just let it be and see how it played out. however I was suspicious of both you and calix for crumbs because if one of you then claimed I would have certainly claimed myself. that’s one reason why I was talking about outing the cop and why I said I thought you voting rayn in that fashion was scummy. | ||
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On April 20 2018 21:25 Holyflare wrote: And how does mafia know your role to rb you if they think tube is a blue veteran in the world you're saying 4 blues exist? mafia knows I’m not lying because vivax died and I just claimed. tube obviously is not town vet here anymore which is why 1. he didn’t die and 2. why Vivax died. They RBed me | ||
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On April 20 2018 21:39 Holyflare wrote: Why did you claim though? It's not to throw shade on anyone, you claiming doesn't change my alignment? In fact if you got rbd last night and tube was also blue like you spent the day talking about there'd be 0% chance I'm mafia because you would have been role copped and I wouldn't be pushing someone that would claim jk. Calix too. I don’t actually follow what you are saying here. I waffled between snap claiming after I read the daypost (which incidentally I posted before reading it) and waiting to claim. I decided to wait because I wanted to see what tube would do. If I snap claimed I felt I had less chance of getting a good read on tube’s alignment. at the time I thought either you are scum with calix or you are scum with tube. I knew tube would be around when I am so I decided okay, let’s talk. but he refused. he’s straight up not considering alternatives. as for why I didn’t wait until the next day to claim, I knew that claiming today would force people to talk today and allow us to solve the game today. Also given that I now basically knew tube was scum after he spent several hours not posting at all, claiming now would also force his scum buddy to talk, and if tube is certainly scum then you being town actually is plausible and even probably the most likely because tube was not around for lynch. and again I don’t follow the last part. maybe they rolecopped me? why would that have anything to do with my claim timing | ||
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On April 20 2018 21:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: idk what is happening but i don't believe that claim. ##vote currentlyhomeless uhh rofl there’s a red check between you and HF and you vote me yeah okay | ||
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you’re saying I should have assumed I got rolecopped after vivax died and so immediately thought you were town after flip? I actually didn’t think about the possibility of a rolecop, I didn’t really think about why I would be RBed at all actually. And even if I figured I got rolecopped I don’t think my immediate conclusion would have been “HF must be town” because I was too tunneled to think about what that would mean. also not like either of you pushed me d4 anyway. | ||
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On April 20 2018 22:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fuck if this game is decided by a miller. That will be really sad. But the only motivation i can come up with for CH is that he knows he already won. He isn't making any sense with any person as mafia to do that, but there is absolutely no town motivation ever to do that, and he is not a jailkeeper. it’s a manner claim? rofl | ||
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On April 21 2018 06:49 Calix wrote: After some cursory thought, I'm thinking my reads haven't changed much. Sure, CH's claim seems too dumb to come from scum but it also doesn't make any sense coming from town. His uncritical acceptance of Tubesock's D3 claim, for example, does not seem legitimate to me. You can evaluate Tubesock and conclude he's more likely town after filter-diving or something but thinking he's just straight up town despite his 2nd Protective claim doesn't square up from a Jailkeeper's POV to me. In short, I'm concluding that if there's no town motivation behind the claim then it must be mafia even if it makes little sense from mafia perspective. Rayn can still be mafia because he's seemingly just done a total 180 on his HF read and now thinks one of HF/ himself is Miller (?) but couldn't care less who the hypothetical second mafia in a CH/??? world would be. This post isn't that intelligent, insightful or even necessarily coherent but I'm too tired right now to care. If Tubesock and/ or HF are mafia then they can count themselves blessed for having the worst town evah! ##vote raynpelikoneet have you actually read my posts? Like you say I misrepresent you and then you write that I accepted tube as town with no critical thinking lol. Go back and reread my posts. I toneread tube as town going into d3, before he claimed. Specifically, I thought max one of tube/exo/skynx was scum. Also due to the way D3 tube and exo claim, we killed Skynx. I didn’t really talk about it much in thread except for the miller shit, but I was skeptical of exo at that point more than I was skeptical of tube. However I decided to accept both of the claims eventually because I thought the timing was too good to be scum. Clearly I was wrong. After that, we flipped skynx and I had to reeval. I became less confident in all my townreads, but that’s not something I talk about in thread because townreads are easily manipulable. At the time I thought Vivax might be scum due to the fact that I felt he wasn’t reading the thread at all. Anyway you can go back and reread my posts if you like. Town motivation for my claim is pretty clear. Vivax posted some scenarios before dying. I actually thought he had solved the game with HF & Calix scumteam and that’s why he was going to get shot. If I were scum I would have no reason to shoot Vivax, and then claim jailer when I could have just shot tube and then voted HF with Vivax and rayn. | ||
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If I am scum why would I post before day that I think everyone will be alive? If it’s because I am scum, then first of all I would know that not everyone will be alive, and then I claim jailer with a prot on Vivax anyway?? That’s just stupid and makes no sense. If I were scum and tube is really a vet why wouldn’t I just leave Vivax alive by shooting tube so that my claim comes out stronger? Like look at Tube’s reaction to my claim. He doesn’t try to refute anything, he just laughs at me saying I protted Vivax and Vivax died on the same night as if that means I’m lying. | ||
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On April 21 2018 07:50 currentlyhomeless wrote: have you actually read my posts? Like you say I misrepresent you and then you write that I accepted tube as town with no critical thinking lol. Go back and reread my posts. I toneread tube as town going into d3, before he claimed. Specifically, I thought max one of tube/exo/skynx was scum. Also due to the way D3 tube and exo claim, we killed Skynx. I didn’t really talk about it much in thread except for the miller shit, but I was skeptical of exo at that point more than I was skeptical of tube. However I decided to accept both of the claims eventually because I thought the timing was too good to be scum. Clearly I was wrong. After that, we flipped skynx and I had to reeval. I became less confident in all my townreads, but that’s not something I talk about in thread because townreads are easily manipulable. At the time I thought Vivax might be scum due to the fact that I felt he wasn’t reading the thread at all. Anyway you can go back and reread my posts if you like. Town motivation for my claim is pretty clear. Vivax posted some scenarios before dying. I actually thought he had solved the game with HF & Calix scumteam and that’s why he was going to get shot. If I were scum I would have no reason to shoot Vivax, and then claim jailer when I could have just shot tube and then voted HF with Vivax and rayn. also due to the way -> also due to the way the policy lynch bit went down, I was convinced about tube being town. Actually in hindsight given that Vivax didn’t understand what I was trying to do but Tube did, it had the opposite effect that I intended. Maybe that’s because rayn & tube had already thought about the RBing story, since Tube basically never thought I was serious about the policy lynch, and that’s the smartest thing he’s done all game. | ||
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On April 21 2018 08:09 Tubesock wrote: CH making the good effort. This is probably the only possible play you have left to do. Get the wifom going on my claim to possibly get me lynched in final three. Or switching my vote to HF due rayn bussing you here. Best part is if we lynch you now, there will still be enough doubt of why rayn voted you instead of HF for a chance to win in final three. It’s really good. why would anyone want to lynch me here the lynch is not changing between rayn and HF and at this point I’m 99% confident it isn’t HF since rayn isn’t bothering to solve the game and neither are you. | ||
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On April 14 2018 19:49 currentlyhomeless wrote: ok i actually think vivax is best chance for scum today but i think i am tunneled atm btw take a look at this post I coaxed out of tube look who he placed last | ||
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On April 21 2018 09:02 Tubesock wrote: I went through the last ten pages of TL Mafia and looked at Fecalfeasts 13 player games. None even had three blues let alone four. So town needs to determine if it’s possible both of us are fakeclaiming, or just the one of us. BH’s motivation to claim is purely because there’s nothing else mafia can do here. This and keeping me alive is the only thing they can do to create chaos enough to possibly win. Here’s the games: Names Are Hard 2, 1 parity cop, 1 jailer, 1 Miller vs rb, rc, goon. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/526062-names-are-hard-2#2 Names Are Hard; Tracker, Doc, wanderer vs rb, rc, goon http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/509751-names-are-hard-mini-mafia#2 A Normal Game (for JAT); Vig, Doc vs RB, GF, Goon http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/506344-a-normal-game-just-for-jat-3#2 Generic Boring Mini Mafia; innocent child, vet vs vig, RB, goon http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485325-generic-boring-mini-mafia?page=73#1443 Mafia Mini Mafia 2; JK, vig vs vig, rb, goon http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480965-mafia-mini-mafia2-another-miniature-game-of-mafia#2 Mafia Mini Mafia; cop, vig vs gf, rb, goon http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/479158-mafia-mini-mafia-a-miniature-game-of-mafia#2 Metal Mini Mafia; cop, vig vs rb, gf, goon http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/473002-metal-mini-mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/473002-metal-mini-mafia?page=94 Conclusion, CH is trying the Hail Mary play. The day before he tried flinging shade everywhere but it wasn’t making any headway. Claim jk and all of a sudden new worlds open for him. I thought Exo could have been faking it days ago because through the five pages of games I looked FF only used two blues in his games. There’s zero chance that if CH was jk he wouldn’t have immediately scumread me. 0% chance. No way. 1. I’ve never played in a FF game and I’ve already established I don’t WIFOM myself on balance. 2. “I thought exo could have been faking it days ago” is a straight up lie, I specifically recall you saying that you considered me 100% town and believed exo’s claim. Finally this: On April 16 2018 21:18 Tubesock wrote: Calix is right though. Setup / balance talk is kinda dumb. I don’t know how fecal balances games. so convenient for you to go back on your word now | ||
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On April 14 2018 18:52 Tubesock wrote: I get way more tinfoil than this game. CH is the only person alive in the game I think is truly 100% town. Not even Exo is and I believe his claim. I’m sorry what? After he flipped if you’re a real blue why would you think HF and Calix are not scum for the crumbs?? Instead afterward you did whatever was opportune. You actually said next to nothing on Oats, just that Calix made good points or whatever. | ||
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On April 21 2018 09:31 Tubesock wrote: Uh I thought both of them were scum for their crumbs.....why did I vote HF the day we lynched Oats? It’s pretty clear before I claimed I was going for Calix. You’re really stretching. no, you never talked about them crumbing until I did. lol you can’t sheep me on a read I made and then claim you came up with it yourself. | ||
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On April 21 2018 09:42 Tubesock wrote: I didn’t notice HFs as a crumb till you pointed to it. Sure. Vivax was first in thread to identify Calix’s crumb. My first post after day post was telling her to claim or not. And I posted the crumb she left. You had nothing to do with me scumming Calix for her crumb. you were the first person to reply to HF’s post and he even asked you why he would 180 his read on rayn. so this a complete lie, if you were actually blue you would have known what he was doing immediately you are right re: Calix though, I myself didn’t notice until I reread because the whole time I was ignoring Calix’s oosts | ||
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On April 18 2018 15:02 currentlyhomeless wrote: no actually i legitimately didnt think about it last cycle, so sorry nice try also exo was alive last cycle and there was still the chance he was scum. i actually didnt believe either of you or rayn were scum. but actually you pointing out that exo wouldnt claim in that situation as scum sort of made sense. but really i never stopped and thought about why you would crumb cop there at all until just now. ^ I even talked about this with HF | ||
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On April 21 2018 09:58 Tubesock wrote: It was 5a or so at the time of those posts. So, I’ll forgove myself for missing it. And uh but if you’re blue, you missed it too until well after...so the argument that I had to have seen it is false. true. so it doesn’t mean anything for either of us. which incidentally proves my point. given the info I had there was no reason for me to immediately disbelieve your claim like you say I should. literally the only reason you have is balance. | ||
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On April 21 2018 10:06 Tubesock wrote: Uh, isn’t that what I’ve been saying? Why post FF’s hosted games so people can see there’s zero chance of four blues if that’s not something I believe? I changed to scumread you after Oats died because there’s never a world where a scum votes their scumbuddy three days in a row without any other vote. AND you claim now? Lol from my point of view it’s the most desperate play. Hail Mary. The only play you can do as mafia. Everything else loses. balance is your out and your reason to stop scumreading Calix is because scum don’t vote their partner 3 days in a row lol if I am scum and you are town I would have shot you. There is no world in which Vivax dies where I am scum | ||
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On April 21 2018 19:07 Holyflare wrote: What I still don't understand is why you keep going on about 4 blues being acceptable ch but then scum reading tubesock? those are two different things I didn’t and don’t believe tube is scum based on balance. I believe tube is scum because I gave him several hours to talk with me and he isn’t trying to figure out the game at all. It also explains a lot of other things about the game which didn’t make sense to me earlier. For instance I thought you were scum based on the blue crumb and your interactions with me. When I stepped back and reread the game from the perspective that tube could be scum and my d2 toneread on him was wrong, I actually saw that he really actually has been pretty lazy all game. Then I tried to figure out who would be more likely to be scum with tube, you or rayn. And realized it cannot be you because of that exact blue crumb shit. How likely would it be that a scum would fake claim one thing while a buddy crumbs something else, then talks to them in thread about it? Seems kinda strange to me. This also sort of explains the Vivax wifom. Like why was he shot n1, and him being shot n4 may actually not mean anything significant. Finally when compared to you Rayn being scum with tube makes more sense because today rayn also has fucked off and done nothing. Meanwhile a good number of your posts actually make sense. | ||
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anyway I will say I’m pretty terrible at telling apart bad townies from scum, which is why I toneread town and called him a scub several times in the early game. However at the time one of the things that really struck me as odd about his posts was actually how hard he defended ever. So I actually came to the opposite conclusion as you because based on the info we all had, town tube should not have been hard defending ever prior to flip. I thought in particular his assertion that he understands her mindset because she is tired and very busy etc. a huge overreach and if it were a better player/someone who I think has good reads I definitely would have found that suspicious. That was something I socked in the back of my head as “this was an extremely weird defense, almost as if tube knows ever will flip town here” and then promptly forgot about it the day after because much weirder shit happened. | ||
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if I still thought you had any chance of being scum here that would make me tunnel the shit out of you. but anyway IIRC you yourself said there is no point to posting all your thoughts all the time and I agree with that statement. In particular I don’t find it useful to talk about when I am reading someone as town or why I am reading them as town unless that has some relevance to what’s happening in thread (for example if my townread is being scumread and I strongly believe they will be mislynched) anyway as phone posting is incredibly hard I cannot easily quote my own posts and format nicely for you so if you want to see proof that what I am saying is actually the truth and not some made up scum bs you can go find in my filter any post where I talk to tube directly d2 or d3. Probably p4 in my filter is a good place to start. For instance I asked him why he was townreading ever. Based on what I’ve just told you about my thought process on ever and how tube defended ever why do you think I would have asked him that at that stage in the game if I were scum? If I were scum I could have just let it be because I would have no need to figure out the game. Secondly if you read my posts with tube you can easily tell I was townreading him even though I didn’t say it because of 1. how I actually interacted with him and wanted to know his thought process and 2. when I talked about the off-wagon voters scumreading each other despite having the same reads I specifically said tube looked the best | ||
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On April 22 2018 00:50 Holyflare wrote: why did you do nothing d1 bugs? I didn’t do nothing. but I can understand why you would say that in all honesty I just didn’t have enough time the first couple of (RL) days. I tried to force some interactions, with you especially. after that since for whatever reason kush posted and made everyone think I was him I decided to roll with it while still playing the game in my own way since at the very least that would keep me from being shot by scum | ||
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On April 22 2018 01:04 Calix wrote: Well now that you've explained some of your game philosophy, I think it's NAI. I don't think people lie about things like that usually. I agree, I don’t think people lie about how they play. However I hope you realize that if you are saying this in response to my scum bs comment, I wasn’t referring to my playstyle, I was referring to my read progression on tube. | ||
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I would suggest no one voting tomorrow but Tube would not agree to that and even if he did he’d just vote one of us at the end anyway. | ||
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On April 22 2018 06:42 Holyflare wrote: Also your oats slip was bad lol hmmm? | ||
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On April 22 2018 05:20 Holyflare wrote: No, my point is of all the roles bugs could have claimed he picked the one that would survive the night and enforce this scenario. Why do you think he only claimed when rayn was confirmed the kill? That's their rber so tube can't die so it was the only claim he could do. Bugs should heal me so that calix is forced to die. It changes nothing, clears up calix's alignment and doesn't allow tube to fake claim soaking a bullet if he's mafia. the first part doesn’t make sense to me actually I actually thought tube was the RBer. In which case the townie between you and rayn would have been confirmed dead. So it actually makes no difference because if rayn was town we would’ve lost and if you’re town you just get shot and it’s Calix me Tube in LYLO. | ||
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On April 22 2018 04:08 Holyflare wrote: why did you "switch to rayn" when he said he had a gun btw? because roleblocking him would prevent him from ending the game | ||
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On April 22 2018 09:15 Holyflare wrote: I don't think there's anything you could say to change my mind, sorry. then there’s no need for me to continue to post as it’s a waste of my time | ||
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On April 22 2018 10:24 Holyflare wrote: Protecting anyone other than me is a mafia claim IMO. Don't try and wifom the mafia, just save me. it actually literally doesn’t matter who I pick, whatever the alignments of you 3 are. Everything is and isn’t wifom at the same time lol | ||
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On April 22 2018 13:17 Holyflare wrote: It absolutely mattets. Calix is not confirmed town at all. Mafia cannot hold their shot. If you "rb" tube there's no kill and he claims his vest is used up regardless of if he's mafia or not. If you're mafia you shoot him and it's legit. If he's mafia you rb him and he fakes it. It becomes a he said she said scenario and we pick one (you). We gained no information. Alternatively you heal me, confirmed town. If I die then you are fucked. If calix dies we eliminate a non confirmed player. No gamble between truths. Potential confirmation of you. I'm still confirmed going into lylo. You must protect me. There is no alternative. Anything other than me is a scum claim. Saving someone or stopping the shot gives NO information so you must let it happen and save the confirmed towny. if I target you, mafia shoots you, how do we tell the difference? If tube is a real vet is he even notified his vest was used? also you are not confirmed town in this scenario either. If you’re scum then targetting you stops the shot. For the sake of making it easier let’s assume scum doesn’t shoot me because all 3 of you want to kill me. Here’s what I mean: Calix scum -> shoots me, you, or tube. Shoot tube = nothing happens. If I target Calix or you nothing happens. Tube scum -> shoots me, you, or Calix. If I target tube nothing happens. If I target you or Calix it depends on who tube shoots so it’s just 50/50 You scum -> shoots me, tube, or Calix. If I target you or Calix nothing happens. If you target tube nothing happens. Literally the only situation that would result in a kill happening is where tube is scum and tube guesses my target incorrectly. but now that we’ve talked about this if he’s scum he’ll just target you 100% actually there is one more option. I just hold my action and someone dies | ||
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On April 23 2018 00:33 Holyflare wrote: literally in the op lol mhmm literally meanwhile the VT PM isn’t there?😝 | ||
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On April 23 2018 21:06 Holyflare wrote: Not gonna change my mind, soz ch. Just gotta wait two days now. seems kinda silly to wait doesn’t it | ||
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On April 24 2018 01:53 Holyflare wrote: Lol if you fake claimed before tube I would have believed you is the sad thing. if I fake claimed it wouldn’t have been believable lol anyway you still have time to think over it, what I said ib my last post and why tube hasb’t done anything for multiple cycles | ||
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even after tube claims, the only remote possibility of me claiming is if I actually believed that role balance made one of exo or tube scum. and even if I did do that, from everyone else’s perspective that would mean there is minimum one scum among 5 people: me, exo, tube, you, rayn. 1 scum to 5 town is a worse ratio than the actual random lynch odds. Even if two scum are in that pile, which I had no reason to believe, it would be 2 to 5 which is much better but still doesn’t guarantee a scum lynch i.e. there’s one or two scum between me & exo & tube and one or zero between you & HF if there are 2 among 5. I don’t see why I would ever claim there. Just because others claimed is a pretty awful reason given how terrible the other 3 claim timings were. | ||
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On April 24 2018 15:56 Holyflare wrote: If you claimed on the day of the blues, like you should have done, there'd be mafia between me and rayn and one of the blues. I don't think I'd ever believe someone that typed a whole wall of text on balance could believe that we'd have a vet that can stop kp, a jk that can save someone or block kp (jk is pretty broken) and a gunsmith that can give kp. That's potential on the end of n2 to have stopped two bullets and killed a mafia. Straight up broken. Yet you believed 4 blues was balanced in this instance. Furthermore, you only claimed when rayn was surely up for lynch and I noticed you start throwing shade on tube well before this. This suggested two things: 1. Rayn was a role that stopped you from killing tube. 2. You had to claim because tube and I would never lynch calix and we were guaranteed to lynch you. Your posts throughout that cycle were completely opportune. You neglected to ever look into rayn's hypocrisy and repeatedly tried to use it against calix and myself. Your 180 on me didn't make sense in the slightest since all I said was "you could be town" but never actually did any kind of commitment whereas you'd been sold on rayn being town throughout the game. I don't believe your jk targets either. Sure, you thought vivax was towny n1 but you were just about the only person who did think that. The other person thinking that was rayn, who was mafia. So to protect vivax n1 was straight up dumb. I talked about balance when there were more blues than that in the suggested setups. I guess you didn’t actually read the thread when I was responding to it at that time or you’d know that. Anyway none of the rest actually matters cause that’s what you see after you’ve already assumed I’m mafia. Lastly the Vivax thing is pretty hilarious to say when apparently you as scum would not kill someone you are hard pushing yet the same doesn’t apply to me for some reason? Why would I kill GB n1, who I was hard pushing? | ||
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On April 24 2018 17:22 Holyflare wrote: This isn't the argument I'm putting forth though is it? My argument is that why would you protect somebody that nobody was town reading and your scum read was scum reading. Your argument seems to be why would you kill gb if you were mafia. Not the same at all. Why would I protect someone I was townreading???? He was literally my #1 townread, for all I cared everyone else on d1 could go fuck themselves. | ||
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[QUOTE]On April 24 2018 17:22 currentlyhomeless wrote: btw. did you actually read my balance posts? [quote] Then SK + Jailor + cop + veteran would probably be balanced because there is sufficient anti-KP/faction balance and there are no breaking claim strategies. replace SK with gunsmith and see what happens?[/QUOTE] Replace a third party that arbitrarily kills anyone with a town gunsmith claimable role that gives town kp? Not really. [/QUOTE] so you don’t understand my stance on balance re:KP but you are using it to claim I am mafia anyway. lololol anyway I find this a pointless waste of time, tube scum claimed on the previous page and for whatever reason you’re still trying to convince yourself your shitty read on me is good by arguing with me[/b] | ||
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On April 24 2018 17:24 Holyflare wrote: You're gonna have to prove to me why tube is mafia I'm afraid. why would a townie say he’s not gonna change change his mind in this situation. just think about what I said last night (which you noticed!) I actually did not expect that bluff to work at all actually | ||
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On April 24 2018 19:27 Holyflare wrote: It was clearly a joke? clearly 😂 anyway I’m done, just another few more hours till the game finally ends | ||
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I have a theory on how to play scum and it nearly played out perfectly. I made one critical mistake early and that was roleblocking ever. I think I made lots of tiny mistakes n3 and after but none of them mattered as much IMO. FF did ever give the gun to rayn? If so, that was the mistake that lost us the game because the game would have played out identically and just ended on n3 instead. If not, it’s still likely the game would have ended on n3 as I would have forced a vote for the gun kill like HF did and made sure it landed on a townie. Once I made that mistake I proceeded to hard throw the game n3 and after since I couldn’t adjust properly, partly due to me being dumb and partly due to not having time. | ||
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I will vehemently disagree with anyone who says the NKs lost us the game, it was our shitty day play that lost us the game, but I know everyone thinks NKs (particularly killing good players) are really important for some reason. Had we played as a team and gotten a townie lynched on d4 we would’ve just won. You can’t predict exactly what would have happened if we had shot different people. For example, I didn’t really have a good reason for killing GB other than people considered him townish and HF was likely to be protted n1. So people coming back and linking me and rayn being scum to him calling us scum in his last posts was just a fluke. I actually hadn’t even noticed he wrote that post. My theory on scum is that the NKs matter only in so far as they should minimize the help given to town to lynch correctly. Suppose we killed “good” players instead. Let’s say we gambled on the prot and shot HF N1. Then we let everyone, especially better players like Vivax and Calix focus without paying attention to HF existing. Rayn would’ve gotten lynched earlier, and with a PC in the game if he checked HF n1 he would know his checks are real. We’d have to find him before he found one of us and with rayn being scum that was impossible unless we caught the breadcrumb. If we shot Vivax we lost a townie who would help us throw doubt on HF and continue to make the game confusing. If we shot Calix we lost a townie who was making the game harder for everyone else (and several times almost became a lynch) n3 if we shot tube and let exo live and check someone I think we would’ve won as well but that’s a very risky play only someone like me would consider, I think, and it follows the rule that NKs should not give town any info. Killing exo confirmed him and gave credence to the checks. Killing tube, even if exo came up with another check on d4, would have ensured town got no new info as literally no one considered tube scum. Anyway I’m curious to hear others’ opinions there. And sorry Oats & rayn as I singlehandedly threw the game for us | ||
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On April 25 2018 06:38 Fecalfeast wrote: Since I didn't know you identity at that time I just assumed you were kush and outed yourself ahahahahaha so literally kush wasn’t even in the game thanks for hosting btw (and you too, AMG) | ||
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On April 25 2018 07:27 LightningStrike wrote: The fact that Skynx thought I was in the game as currentlyhomeless was hilarious. But sadly nope that wasn't me I still stuck in college until the 12th of May which I will get my associates of arts degree. Anyways gg wp I thought scum was going to win until the claims from currentlyhomeless kind of screwed himself over with it. we already lost by that point I think :p LYLO is kind of razor’s edge esp when there’s a cop check | ||
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On April 26 2018 02:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: basically i wasted one and a half week of almost all my free time for someone who is in my team to just fuck me over in the end. that's how i feel like. i am sorry for my bad play at times but still, that's how i feel like. Sorry you feel this way. I think you are wrong, we had 0 chance of winning after Vivax died and then town didn’t pick up on the WIFOM. HF can probably tell you better than I can what his gauge of the situation was. At any rate the objective fact is that if we shot HF N2 you would’ve been insta lynched by this town afterward cause the cop had a red check on you. I’m not sure how you are forgetting that and still saying shooting HF n2 was the right play. It was hard enough not to get them to lynch into the check D3. | ||
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On April 26 2018 13:33 Mocsta wrote: I interpret Rayn to be taking a gamble that HF was the only player capable of solving the game. Therefore even a 1:1 trade would result in victory on the basis of town derping. I think this is where I disagree. I think if you play scum if you worry about who can “solve the game” you are playing too reactively. Being mafia inherently relies on being reactive to some degree but if you literally rely on killing good players to win games you’ll end up being confused when you lose anyway. Mafia night kills should strive to minimize the information town get because town win by using information to lynch correctly. Mafia and town have opposite winconditions. Town win condition is lynch all the mafia. Mafia win condition is lynch a number of townies equal to the size of the scumteam (or one more on this forum usually since we use 13p) So from that perspective if you are scum and want to win, you want to a.) win as fast as possible because it minimizes info b.) never give any info to town and c.) control the lynch. Night kills only matter inso far as a.) and b.) are concerned: you dodge prots cause prots prolong the game and give info. Otherwise base your kill on whose death would keep the town in the dark. Killing HF at any point in the game would have risked our win condition because rayn would die right after, no questions. A lot of hosts like to player balance. I can’t say for sure whether FF RNGed the teams or not but rayn and HFwere opposite alignments, and I’ve seen so many games where the best 2 players are opposite alignments that it’s unlikely it’s completely random. With that plus the cop check killing HF went against our WC unless it was with a lynch to win the game. If I were scum and both rayn and HF were town, I might have killed one of them just to push the lynch on the other. It would still be hard but in that scenario you wanna break up the town circle cause it’s a matter of time before they townread each other. So in the ideal case you try to get one lynched over the other early, and then you can gamble and try to get the other lynched if you can pin the blame for the first lynch on the other. Often this doesn’t work out though cause controlling the lynch takes a bit of cleverness. | ||
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On April 26 2018 16:51 Calix wrote: Teams are often RNGed because it avoids this host meta that you're using. Anything else is asking for trouble. Thus your logic that rayn would instantly die after HF is flawed. he had a red check on him. He would have died because of that combined with “if he is town why is he still alive” | ||
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On April 26 2018 17:03 Calix wrote: To give my two cents on night kills, I think a bit of both strategies is advisable depending on the game state and the skillset of the remaining townies. If you only focus on killing solvy players or those with good reads, you risk town piecing together your strategy or wondering why you're still alive (if you survive to late-game). If you only focus on minimising information that town gets then you risk the remaining active town players forming a town circle, using POE, making iron-clad cases on mafia, etc. In this instance, I think the GB kill was fine but following that up with killing the AFK replacement was a massive tip-off that the mafia was fine with the current game state. I'd argue that's more information given than just killing someone with good reads or who is solvy because it tells town that they're on the wrong track. we didn’t lose because of the kills, that much is for sure. the only kill that was objectively bad was the Vivax one but we were already in a losing position. If there is a single action that lost us the game it was the RB. Everything else was down to our play. | ||
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