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its getting to the point i question for myself if TvT. | ||
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I only read OP pre-game, so when I received my 1-shot VIG post, I really did think mafia could only be strongman/backup. OUCH. ANYWAYS, i expect to be shot & RB tonight, so backup scores a free KP. this is my bad, and I cant take the actions back. I tried my best to make it look fake since, hence, no claiming EoD1. My reference to slam was because, he had this post where he claimed hmmm, 1-shot vig. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/532111-classic-mafia?page=37#736 I thought this meant he had a 1-shot role (thus would be town).. reading the OP later, scum can also be 1-shot. Unfortunately, this doesnt help then. Its very odd that rsoultin doesnt follow this up with me and demand I say the tell. If I wasnt going to vig by the rules, I would prob shoot rsoultin this cycle as a dark horse with low risk for demoralising town. Who are my trusted town reads:
My guess for scum combination is that the 95% of actives are town and this is all in-fighting for OMGUS and EGO. Something like ExO_ / FF and one of the actives (perhaps one of rsoultin or HF) makes some sense to me. Like, I dont have a problem rsoultin is lost. I am lost.. however, the way she is manouvering to call me scum is interesting. I find it overly cautious - e.g. claiming pocketing etc. I find this an evolved version of being apologetic - hence scummy. Anyways, if my vig shot does go through, I have decided to shoot ExO_. This is because I want to clear some thoughts up for Vivax, and I also think ExO is over apologetically scummy & in the trash tier. WIN-WIN for vig shot (if it goes through.. otherwise, sorry. hard game this one) | ||
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mindmeld! | ||
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jail keeper / medic in play? vivax is bizairre HF gg | ||
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On March 23 2018 08:02 rsoultin wrote: ...you really see all of D1 as town wagons? i didnt put any consideration into the wagons. thats just my gut-feel when i go to page1 player list. i was hoping to sheep this cycle, being so lost. Not certain now with my top town read dead. | ||
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On March 23 2018 08:03 Fecalfeast wrote: His reads were ExO and Kelsier & ?palmar?So if nobody claims vivax as a vig shot I'm going to assume he was correct about a player most everyone else is townreading I highly doubt Kelsier would find vivax intimidating enough to warrant a shot. This is why i shot ExO. I really never thought Exo v kelsier was Scum vs Town. So implication is that Kelsier is town (at least for me). The palmar one is interesting, but he never tried to push it. Probably shot because an active has infiltrated the town circle, so had to shoot a unanamious town read. At least thats what I do when i infiltrate as mafia. | ||
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On March 23 2018 08:04 MoosyDoosy wrote: Ayo fecal who do we sheep now that holyflare is dead me: confirmed town. | ||
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On March 23 2018 08:07 MoosyDoosy wrote: If mafia are super confident. one play isI can see Mocsta being strongarm or someth and mafia killing ExO_ and claiming Mocsta as vig they RB me; with intent to lynch me. It doesnt matter how I die, the backup gets my shot. However, this is too far fetched as mafia had no incentive to shoot both vivax & ExO_ im confirmed town, vote with me. | ||
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On March 23 2018 08:10 MoosyDoosy wrote: yeah, im really not liking rsoultin following the NKs.Either Mocsta is vig and he gave a bad shot and rsoultin/darthfoley are mafia or Mocsta is mafia and rsoultin/darthfoley are town taking really extreme positions while only ctrl+f'n my filter. ##Vote: rsoultin the wagon of justice. | ||
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On March 23 2018 08:02 rsoultin wrote: actually,...you really see all of D1 as town wagons? why cant this be the case? further, its completely congruent with my theory for how the game has unfolded. | ||
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On March 23 2018 08:21 rsoultin wrote: why are you so prickly rn, and misrepresenting my content?i'm not scum. get good. use that lovely intuition of yours that you tout so much. or i'll probably just tunnel you and if you're town that's not good for anyone that much activity at EoD doesn't feel like none of the wagons are scum to me, and I don't know why you make the assumption that they're all town Firstly, I wrote I only have 2 town reads: Vivax and Disfo.
Secondly, even if all the wagons are townLEANS, why can't that be the case.
Further, at least 4-5 people had yet to vote; which leads to chaos. Chaos leads to any combination of town/scum wagons being possible. You know this... and are being intentionally obtuse, and its scummy. Thirdly, the wagons were what; Disfo, me, conversion, rels; and n00b had already dismantled when it mattered I am town I believe disfo claim, as his tone has been consistent throughout the game rels was town conversion I believe could easily have OMGUS retaliated on me without question or reprimand. Enough to make a town lean. So.. whats the problem again? | ||
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Vivax being on hidden mafia would imply you. rsoultin and me having common ground seems challenging at this point. I do think tictock looks bad with HF dead; and I liked the HF mindmeld on that read. I would consolidate onto tictock. going to go away and do some work. | ||
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On March 23 2018 08:35 MoosyDoosy wrote: its in my claim post.@Mocsta, why ExO and not darthfoley or Conversion or someone else? in actuality, i swapped my shot about 4 times. I think I went tictock -> palmar -> moosy -> ExO_ ExO was in the same trash tier as a few others; therefore, I settled on ExO because vivax was my strongest town read, and I thought he was tunneled and needed to give him closure. I thought Kelsier was the townier between the two. | ||
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On March 23 2018 08:37 Fecalfeast wrote: No no, its not that I scumread you per say.. And scumread me enought to vote away from me And you agree with koshis scumlisy its more, you were a complete unknown and that makes me uncomfortable. Because I play by gut-feel, what it means is that for someone like Vivax. If he does somethign I dont like. he might lose say 1 point. With an unknown like you, if you do something i dont like its more volatile, so you would lose say 15 points. Hopefully thats a clear explanation of why i was twitchy. | ||
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On March 23 2018 08:43 Koshi wrote: This is very true.You realize you are suggesting 2 names I also want to kill right. From before eon. Dont focus on the flashy players and go for people who are hiding. Dont paranoia yourself thinking some master mind mafia is being super active. kk. walking away, will trigger a neutral mindset ##Unvote | ||
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vivax had a reason for it, so didnt bother me. - with you, it is starting to. | ||
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On March 23 2018 08:51 darthfoley wrote: The convo rise and fall is a vaild comment, but that is after the fact of chaos breaking out. If a volcano explodes, you cant hold it against people for stampeding over others. To me, the volcano erupting was disformation claim as follows.Logically speaking, taking Mocsta's claim at face value, Conversion and n00bking are almost surely 1 scum between them. Perhaps two, but idk. I just can't get over how quickly Conversion's wagon fell off. And n00bking was stuck at 4(?) votes forever in a pretty volatile EoD where votes were going all over the place When I went to bed (6-8hrs before lynch) n00bking was already off the noose. disformation [5]: Koshi, n00bking, KelsierSC, raynpelikoneet, Holyflare This is relatively stable as represents 50% of the player count in 2 horses.n00bking [5]: Conversion, However, by the time I woke up (~1hr before lynch), it was the tightness of votes that made things unpredictable. n00bking [3]: Conversion, This is why it felt intense. Not because a wagon fell off, but because 5 horses were in the race separated by 1 vote. Coin flipping and hence the volcano erupted. KelsierSC [3]: ExO_, darthfoley, Vivax Rels [2]: Mocsta, rsoultin darthfoley [2]: KelsierSC, raynpelikoneet Mocsta [2]: disformation [1]: The conversion wagon accelerates from 0 to 6. Conversion [6]: Koshi, darthfoley, disformation, rsoultin, Mocsta, MoosyDoosy Im looking at this differently to DF. Even though conversion had a peak of 6, the end voters are all twitchy and in panic/paranoia. the count of 6 is misleading and this is still a 4-5horse race.darthfoley [3]: KelsierSC, raynpelikoneet, Conversion Mocsta [2]: KelsierSC [2]: ExO_, with HF still campaigning for my lynch the state changes to this. Mocsta [4]: darthfoley [3]: KelsierSC, Rels [3]: Conversion [2]: Koshi, darthfoley, KelsierSC [2]: ExO_, and then we know the final outcome Rels [7]: Mocsta [4]: darthfoley [3]: KelsierSC, Conversion [1]: Koshi, KelsierSC [1]: n00bking [1]: disformation [1]: This all makes me feel better about rsoultin actually. Im back to common ground. Both of us were caught in the panic and stress of where to place vote when preferred lynch pool is not in the equation. As scum, i would only be panicked here if a buddy was in the top 3 wagons; otherwise there is absolute freedom to park a vote and sideline comment. Regardless of votes and horses, the people being actively campaigned when it mattered the most was: Conversion + me + Rels. I dont know how to explain it, because too much is still being digested above; however, I cant shake this feeling of n00bking, darthfoley and tictock | ||
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i dont like & am now willing to lynch. p100 is really terrible. | ||
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On March 20 2018 08:23 Tictock wrote: Standard shit sandwhich deliveryI wonder if a scum!Mocsta would so blatantly waste his first couple of posts saying basically nothing. Kinda doubt it and he also appreciated my joke so he can get a weak town lean. Also for anyone who doesn't recall (probably everyone but me) Mocsta's "post limit" is equal to the # of pages in the thread. So particularly for D1 in a 20 person game he probably wont be hitting that limit. Humm, that may weaken my above point. Dont like this post. | ||
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