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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
June 01 2017 20:04 GMT
#55
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
June 02 2017 23:17 GMT
#70
this is for RNG. starting with 1 as Conversion, etc etc, mod13, you guys get the idea. gonna be afk for a few hours tho
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
June 02 2017 23:18 GMT
#71
26536752 mod 13 is 8, Vivax is the RNG for to day (since although being in slot 6, he is in fact the 8th person if you count the two newbies)
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
June 03 2017 19:45 GMT
#166
On June 04 2017 03:44 LightningStrike wrote:
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On June 04 2017 03:33 ritoky wrote:
i guess i get how tonally it can feel the same from your PoV because HF is saying you're inconsistent and if you were consistent you should think X, but you randomly think Y which makes no sense.

but HF does that always and to pretty much everyone. it's how sometimes he ends up lynching dumb instead of scum. i think you're kinda omgusing.

Hmm it might just be the tone because I never was consistent on stuff and I remember how some people as scum did try to push me for the same type of stuff in the past.


Eh, it's worth noting that this isn't really how a meta read someone being scum works though. Certainly you can and should give some weighting to this as "hey, I've seen scum do this" but it's more important to ask whether HolyFlare does this as scum. Although some things can certainly be said to be universal scumtells, if we're going to talk about someone's history of using a point or argument when they are scum, we should bear in mind that such arguments should apply to them more than to others.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
June 03 2017 19:55 GMT
#170
On June 04 2017 04:50 LightningStrike wrote:
I wonder where Vivax is because I figured he be around atm :\


Clearly my RNG was, as always, 100% correct

here i'll prove it

##Vote Vivax
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
June 04 2017 00:07 GMT
#211
On June 04 2017 08:45 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2017 08:38 Vivax wrote:
On June 04 2017 08:25 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 04 2017 06:51 Vivax wrote:
Grack has achieved a new dimension of mafia laziness but his latest read post ends up at something similar like where I am. Gonna see what he comes up with further. I maintain that he didn't try to do jack in early game and even less than last game where at least he actively constructed shit posts (like inserting wrong quotes on purpose).

I'm not being lazy. I just read less into some things than other people do and don't blow up over minor things early game like you did accusing me of being boring after my 2nd post.


There's enough info in the thread RN and I still don't have the feeling that you're trying to do much with it, but you keep noticing it every time whenever you are adressed.

Like, no opinion on HF, fidei. You do give out a bunch of reads but there's barely any explanation behind them. You keep coming back to BHs RNG as even if it mattered anything if he explained where the number came from.

No hint at all that you're having fun or are invested whatsoever into the game. Others sort of have a tone to them, you don't. You just seem completely unemotional.

If you think you have a reason to be like this and realize it, then be open about it, but if you told me that you are like you always are as town, I'd have a hard time believing it.

I need to know how Blazinghand gets the number so that I can random lynch in future games. Palmar and I have both been foiled by this before in our random lynchings.

HF isn't doing anything noteworthy. Fidei is being overly town read. I think my tone is more dependent on the tone of the thread and who I'm talking to than what alignment I roll.


I don't believe you, Grackaroni. Your inquisitiveness regarding my RNG lynch is in fact false, and I'm frankly astonished you think I wouldn't remember. After all, I've done this in a game with you before... FANTASY FOOTBALL MINI MAFIA IN 2014! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini

I did this and explained it and you were there. you've been caught in a lie.

On October 07 2014 01:41 Blazinghand wrote:
The Post count for my RNG declaration post was 23071592

23071592 mod 14 = 12

12th player is ObviousOne

##vote ObviousOne

OO, your lynch has been determined by RNG. SUBMIT YOURSELF UNTO DEATH.


On October 07 2014 01:40 Blazinghand wrote:
It seems clear to me that it's time for an RNG lynch.

So here's what happens

1) you all will follow me since I'm the best player here

2) I will lynch the guy via RNG as determined by this post (the one you're reading right now)'s post count modulo 9. Since so many people are posting at once on TL it's impossible for us to know what's going down. Basically, in addition to a "what post in this thread" post ID, each post has a unique sitewide id # that's increasing so quickly because of TL traffic, I can use it to RNG effectively.

I've done this before. It works. If you don't know what "modulo" means or how my rng lynch works after this explantion, you are not mathematically and educationally qualified to claim that this lynch is not RNG.

Show nested quote +
For RNG, this post will be used for generating a random lynch. The # in the upper left corner can be right-clicked and used to access the absolute TL post # for this post. That number mod 9 is the random lynch. 1 =Oats, 2 = rayn, etc, all the way up to 8 = holyflare and 0 = sloosh.

The reason we use the absolute TL post number is that posts are constantly being made, so the number is truly random. We turn it into a number 1-14 by taking that number mod 14. What is mod? effectively, it's the remainder after division. For example. 13 mod 14 = 13. 14 mod 14 = 0. 18 mod 14 = 4. 19 mod 14 = 5. and so on.

Basically, this generates a random number 1 through 14. I am in favor of the random lynch (though am somewhat interested in a policy lynch today as well-- TL does not do this enough. I will start off by voting for the random lynched based on THIS POST.


In this case,
1 = hopeless1
2 = Damdred

etc etc all the way up to

13 = obiwanshinobi
0 = storrzerg

(since a multiple of 14 modulo 14 is 0, not 14).

+ Show Spoiler [player list] +

1. Hopeless1der
2. Damdred
3. Palmer
4. Oatsmaster
5. Alakaslam
6. Grackaroni
7. liancourt
8. KelsierSC
9. batsnacks
10. Holyflare
11. BlazingHand
12. ObviousOne
13. ObiWanShinobi
0. StorrZerg


there is no force on earth that can persuade me that RNG lynch is sub-optimal. bow before the RNG lynch. behold its glory and its horror and all of its majesty


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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
June 04 2017 00:09 GMT
#212
Grack: I'm gonna make up some lies about blazinghand and how I'm curious about his RNG, because that sounds like real talking, right?
Also Grack: I played in a game with Blazinghand where he did this same thing, and I talked about it extensively but let's just not bring that up
Also Grack: now I'm going to vote Blazinghand, because that's easier than trying to form fake reads, because I'm scum

get rekt kiddo

##unvote
##vote Grackaroni
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
June 04 2017 00:11 GMT
#213
On June 04 2017 09:04 Tumblewood wrote:
specifically I mean grack is probably town. every game I see grack getting scumread by other townies but never really pushed, but he always comes through with the sort of analysis that's right on the money once or twice


Hmm, or he makes up lies and consistently forgets things he already knows in order to try to make me look bad because I seem like I might be low-activity, and he wants a "safe" push, because he is scum
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
June 04 2017 00:16 GMT
#217
On June 04 2017 09:15 Grackaroni wrote:
I mean it does sound like real talking. I still don't see any post ID.

On October 07 2014 04:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Lian are you a smurf?

BH wants to follow RNG but he will do what he can to convince other people to vote for OO. He doesn't care if people lynch OO for other reasons aside from RNG as long as it's OO that is lynched.

BH you said you don't have an opinion on Oats post's. Do you have an opinion on HF's posts attacking Oat's posts?


On October 07 2014 08:47 Grackaroni wrote:
People say that but I really don't feel that's true because there is never a random lynch with no opposition. By voting RNG you are making a statement that nobody's scum read this game is worth more to you than the odds of RNG hitting scum and that you don't feel particularly townie on the guy being random lynched.

Both of those statements I would agree with right now thus I am voting OO

On October 07 2014 13:58 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 13:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
So asking people about why their reasoning is bad and seeing how far they're willing to push it is nothingness? Focusing on people who state that other players are "interesting" without bothering to follow it up is scummy?

Yeah, okay. You're being ridiculous.

What kind of follow up did you expect? There's literally nothing that Damdred could have said to follow up on OO not defending himself. I think it's absolutely absurd that you think that Damdred's statement about OO is the most worthwhile thing to pursue in the thread.

Your posts about BH are really just back seat coaching, which scum do a lot. they reveals nothing about your thoughts on the people reading BH based on his RNG push and nothing on your own thoughts about BH.

On October 08 2014 07:44 Grackaroni wrote:
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On October 08 2014 07:41 batsnacks wrote:
If no one here knew each other I think a few more people would have scum read BH for his RNG thing. I also think if no one here knew each other more than a few people would be scum reading palmar. BH and palmar play a lot though, so just about everyone but Liam is used to seeing this from both of them.

And I think it's positive that he learned, accepted, and worked with that in regards to BH.

This is absolutely true. I understand where his reads are coming from his perspective and if I came here from another forum I would be suspicious of people like BH or myself at the start of the game trying to push the lynch off to RNG and avoid analysis. We all know BH is going to do his thing and I'm actually still going to attempt to solve the game despite the fact that I like RNG.

On October 08 2014 07:47 Grackaroni wrote:
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On October 08 2014 07:42 StorrZerg wrote:
On October 08 2014 07:32 Grackaroni wrote:
It seems like a lot of people are scum reading Lian just because they disagree with a lot of his logic. But there's actually a lot of townie things about his filter and he's putting a lot of effort into the game.


Why the priority on "logic" when i feel the majority of people that are reading him scum has to do with how he scum reads people, and that he is very wishy washy with reads, and is only really scum reading inactives.

new to the forum. 5 page filter already. Low content game. Enough said really. You don't like that he's pushing people for supporting RNG but I think theres genuine reason for why he's suspicious of people pushing RNG.


On October 08 2014 08:34 Grackaroni wrote:
Yeah Storr I reread your case I'm not following the difference between your X and my Y. You're saying he's scum because he's scum reading all of the inactives. The reason he doesn't want to scum read OO is because he's suspicious of the people pushing RNG because his logic tells him that supporting RNG is scummy. For Lian pushing RNG is not just some policy BH likes to do it's something BH is doing this game to avoid contributing analysis and that Slam/I jumped on to for the same reason. In his mind that makes OO less scummy I guess.


On October 09 2014 02:56 Grackaroni wrote:
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On October 09 2014 02:49 Damdred wrote:
BH seems interested, and is actually doing things and pushing his lynch today. Normally when hes scum in almost every scum game i've seen or read, he makes excuses complains and only posts during the time hes not "busy". here he is the opposite he has been in the thread, has argued not complained and not made excuses for his absence plus he did lynch scum oo day one and put rng on him even before he made his entrance into the thread.

You know BH doesn't choose who gets RNGed. That's kind of the whole point of RNG.



YOU SEEM QUITE CONFIDENT IN MY RNG FOR A GUY WHO DOESNT KNOW ABOUT MY RNG
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
June 04 2017 00:17 GMT
#218
On June 04 2017 09:13 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm not familiar with this thing I'm seeing.


This is literally a lie. You're lying, right now.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
June 04 2017 00:23 GMT
#220
On June 04 2017 09:18 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2017 09:16 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 04 2017 09:15 Grackaroni wrote:
I mean it does sound like real talking. I still don't see any post ID.

On October 07 2014 04:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Lian are you a smurf?

BH wants to follow RNG but he will do what he can to convince other people to vote for OO. He doesn't care if people lynch OO for other reasons aside from RNG as long as it's OO that is lynched.

BH you said you don't have an opinion on Oats post's. Do you have an opinion on HF's posts attacking Oat's posts?


On October 07 2014 08:47 Grackaroni wrote:
People say that but I really don't feel that's true because there is never a random lynch with no opposition. By voting RNG you are making a statement that nobody's scum read this game is worth more to you than the odds of RNG hitting scum and that you don't feel particularly townie on the guy being random lynched.

Both of those statements I would agree with right now thus I am voting OO

On October 07 2014 13:58 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 07 2014 13:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
So asking people about why their reasoning is bad and seeing how far they're willing to push it is nothingness? Focusing on people who state that other players are "interesting" without bothering to follow it up is scummy?

Yeah, okay. You're being ridiculous.

What kind of follow up did you expect? There's literally nothing that Damdred could have said to follow up on OO not defending himself. I think it's absolutely absurd that you think that Damdred's statement about OO is the most worthwhile thing to pursue in the thread.

Your posts about BH are really just back seat coaching, which scum do a lot. they reveals nothing about your thoughts on the people reading BH based on his RNG push and nothing on your own thoughts about BH.

On October 08 2014 07:44 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 08 2014 07:41 batsnacks wrote:
If no one here knew each other I think a few more people would have scum read BH for his RNG thing. I also think if no one here knew each other more than a few people would be scum reading palmar. BH and palmar play a lot though, so just about everyone but Liam is used to seeing this from both of them.

And I think it's positive that he learned, accepted, and worked with that in regards to BH.

This is absolutely true. I understand where his reads are coming from his perspective and if I came here from another forum I would be suspicious of people like BH or myself at the start of the game trying to push the lynch off to RNG and avoid analysis. We all know BH is going to do his thing and I'm actually still going to attempt to solve the game despite the fact that I like RNG.

On October 08 2014 07:47 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 08 2014 07:42 StorrZerg wrote:
On October 08 2014 07:32 Grackaroni wrote:
It seems like a lot of people are scum reading Lian just because they disagree with a lot of his logic. But there's actually a lot of townie things about his filter and he's putting a lot of effort into the game.


Why the priority on "logic" when i feel the majority of people that are reading him scum has to do with how he scum reads people, and that he is very wishy washy with reads, and is only really scum reading inactives.

new to the forum. 5 page filter already. Low content game. Enough said really. You don't like that he's pushing people for supporting RNG but I think theres genuine reason for why he's suspicious of people pushing RNG.


On October 08 2014 08:34 Grackaroni wrote:
Yeah Storr I reread your case I'm not following the difference between your X and my Y. You're saying he's scum because he's scum reading all of the inactives. The reason he doesn't want to scum read OO is because he's suspicious of the people pushing RNG because his logic tells him that supporting RNG is scummy. For Lian pushing RNG is not just some policy BH likes to do it's something BH is doing this game to avoid contributing analysis and that Slam/I jumped on to for the same reason. In his mind that makes OO less scummy I guess.


On October 09 2014 02:56 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 09 2014 02:49 Damdred wrote:
BH seems interested, and is actually doing things and pushing his lynch today. Normally when hes scum in almost every scum game i've seen or read, he makes excuses complains and only posts during the time hes not "busy". here he is the opposite he has been in the thread, has argued not complained and not made excuses for his absence plus he did lynch scum oo day one and put rng on him even before he made his entrance into the thread.

You know BH doesn't choose who gets RNGed. That's kind of the whole point of RNG.



YOU SEEM QUITE CONFIDENT IN MY RNG FOR A GUY WHO DOESNT KNOW ABOUT MY RNG

You RNG as scum and as town, but you make an effort to avoid contributing as town. I didn't say that because you RNG'd you must definitely be scum. I said that if you don't pick up your play you are, which is true.


I'm not talking about your read on me, Grack. Screw your read, that's irrelevant bull crap. I'm talking about the fact that you were trying to fake lack of knowledge about or familiarity with my RNG. You're caught in a lie and trying to talk about something else, but everyone knows you're lying about my RNG now, you DID know about it, you've played with it, youv'e argued about it. You can't wiggle out of this one buddy.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
June 04 2017 00:25 GMT
#221
LIke, to be clear:

On June 04 2017 08:45 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2017 08:38 Vivax wrote:
On June 04 2017 08:25 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 04 2017 06:51 Vivax wrote:
Grack has achieved a new dimension of mafia laziness but his latest read post ends up at something similar like where I am. Gonna see what he comes up with further. I maintain that he didn't try to do jack in early game and even less than last game where at least he actively constructed shit posts (like inserting wrong quotes on purpose).

I'm not being lazy. I just read less into some things than other people do and don't blow up over minor things early game like you did accusing me of being boring after my 2nd post.


There's enough info in the thread RN and I still don't have the feeling that you're trying to do much with it, but you keep noticing it every time whenever you are adressed.

Like, no opinion on HF, fidei. You do give out a bunch of reads but there's barely any explanation behind them. You keep coming back to BHs RNG as even if it mattered anything if he explained where the number came from.

No hint at all that you're having fun or are invested whatsoever into the game. Others sort of have a tone to them, you don't. You just seem completely unemotional.

If you think you have a reason to be like this and realize it, then be open about it, but if you told me that you are like you always are as town, I'd have a hard time believing it.

I need to know how Blazinghand gets the number so that I can random lynch in future games. Palmar and I have both been foiled by this before in our random lynchings.

HF isn't doing anything noteworthy. Fidei is being overly town read. I think my tone is more dependent on the tone of the thread and who I'm talking to than what alignment I roll.


You already knew this from previous games, so this was a lie.

Also:

On June 04 2017 09:13 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm not familiar with this thing I'm seeing.


You've seen me RNG in previous games, so this is a lie.

On June 04 2017 09:18 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2017 09:16 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 04 2017 09:15 Grackaroni wrote:
I mean it does sound like real talking. I still don't see any post ID.

On October 07 2014 04:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Lian are you a smurf?

BH wants to follow RNG but he will do what he can to convince other people to vote for OO. He doesn't care if people lynch OO for other reasons aside from RNG as long as it's OO that is lynched.

BH you said you don't have an opinion on Oats post's. Do you have an opinion on HF's posts attacking Oat's posts?


On October 07 2014 08:47 Grackaroni wrote:
People say that but I really don't feel that's true because there is never a random lynch with no opposition. By voting RNG you are making a statement that nobody's scum read this game is worth more to you than the odds of RNG hitting scum and that you don't feel particularly townie on the guy being random lynched.

Both of those statements I would agree with right now thus I am voting OO

On October 07 2014 13:58 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 07 2014 13:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
So asking people about why their reasoning is bad and seeing how far they're willing to push it is nothingness? Focusing on people who state that other players are "interesting" without bothering to follow it up is scummy?

Yeah, okay. You're being ridiculous.

What kind of follow up did you expect? There's literally nothing that Damdred could have said to follow up on OO not defending himself. I think it's absolutely absurd that you think that Damdred's statement about OO is the most worthwhile thing to pursue in the thread.

Your posts about BH are really just back seat coaching, which scum do a lot. they reveals nothing about your thoughts on the people reading BH based on his RNG push and nothing on your own thoughts about BH.

On October 08 2014 07:44 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 08 2014 07:41 batsnacks wrote:
If no one here knew each other I think a few more people would have scum read BH for his RNG thing. I also think if no one here knew each other more than a few people would be scum reading palmar. BH and palmar play a lot though, so just about everyone but Liam is used to seeing this from both of them.

And I think it's positive that he learned, accepted, and worked with that in regards to BH.

This is absolutely true. I understand where his reads are coming from his perspective and if I came here from another forum I would be suspicious of people like BH or myself at the start of the game trying to push the lynch off to RNG and avoid analysis. We all know BH is going to do his thing and I'm actually still going to attempt to solve the game despite the fact that I like RNG.

On October 08 2014 07:47 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 08 2014 07:42 StorrZerg wrote:
On October 08 2014 07:32 Grackaroni wrote:
It seems like a lot of people are scum reading Lian just because they disagree with a lot of his logic. But there's actually a lot of townie things about his filter and he's putting a lot of effort into the game.


Why the priority on "logic" when i feel the majority of people that are reading him scum has to do with how he scum reads people, and that he is very wishy washy with reads, and is only really scum reading inactives.

new to the forum. 5 page filter already. Low content game. Enough said really. You don't like that he's pushing people for supporting RNG but I think theres genuine reason for why he's suspicious of people pushing RNG.


On October 08 2014 08:34 Grackaroni wrote:
Yeah Storr I reread your case I'm not following the difference between your X and my Y. You're saying he's scum because he's scum reading all of the inactives. The reason he doesn't want to scum read OO is because he's suspicious of the people pushing RNG because his logic tells him that supporting RNG is scummy. For Lian pushing RNG is not just some policy BH likes to do it's something BH is doing this game to avoid contributing analysis and that Slam/I jumped on to for the same reason. In his mind that makes OO less scummy I guess.


On October 09 2014 02:56 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 09 2014 02:49 Damdred wrote:
BH seems interested, and is actually doing things and pushing his lynch today. Normally when hes scum in almost every scum game i've seen or read, he makes excuses complains and only posts during the time hes not "busy". here he is the opposite he has been in the thread, has argued not complained and not made excuses for his absence plus he did lynch scum oo day one and put rng on him even before he made his entrance into the thread.

You know BH doesn't choose who gets RNGed. That's kind of the whole point of RNG.



YOU SEEM QUITE CONFIDENT IN MY RNG FOR A GUY WHO DOESNT KNOW ABOUT MY RNG

You RNG as scum and as town, but you make an effort to avoid contributing as town. I didn't say that because you RNG'd you must definitely be scum. I said that if you don't pick up your play you are, which is true.


Now you're claiming I "RNG as scum and as town" implying you know about my RNG, which before this game I have explained in detail every time I use it, but earlier you say you are confused by how I get the number. Once again, a lie.

Your story keeps changing, Grack, but I caught you, you might as well give up, scum.
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#223
On June 04 2017 09:26 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2017 09:23 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 04 2017 09:18 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 04 2017 09:16 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 04 2017 09:15 Grackaroni wrote:
I mean it does sound like real talking. I still don't see any post ID.

On October 07 2014 04:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Lian are you a smurf?

BH wants to follow RNG but he will do what he can to convince other people to vote for OO. He doesn't care if people lynch OO for other reasons aside from RNG as long as it's OO that is lynched.

BH you said you don't have an opinion on Oats post's. Do you have an opinion on HF's posts attacking Oat's posts?


On October 07 2014 08:47 Grackaroni wrote:
People say that but I really don't feel that's true because there is never a random lynch with no opposition. By voting RNG you are making a statement that nobody's scum read this game is worth more to you than the odds of RNG hitting scum and that you don't feel particularly townie on the guy being random lynched.

Both of those statements I would agree with right now thus I am voting OO

On October 07 2014 13:58 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 07 2014 13:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
So asking people about why their reasoning is bad and seeing how far they're willing to push it is nothingness? Focusing on people who state that other players are "interesting" without bothering to follow it up is scummy?

Yeah, okay. You're being ridiculous.

What kind of follow up did you expect? There's literally nothing that Damdred could have said to follow up on OO not defending himself. I think it's absolutely absurd that you think that Damdred's statement about OO is the most worthwhile thing to pursue in the thread.

Your posts about BH are really just back seat coaching, which scum do a lot. they reveals nothing about your thoughts on the people reading BH based on his RNG push and nothing on your own thoughts about BH.

On October 08 2014 07:44 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 08 2014 07:41 batsnacks wrote:
If no one here knew each other I think a few more people would have scum read BH for his RNG thing. I also think if no one here knew each other more than a few people would be scum reading palmar. BH and palmar play a lot though, so just about everyone but Liam is used to seeing this from both of them.

And I think it's positive that he learned, accepted, and worked with that in regards to BH.

This is absolutely true. I understand where his reads are coming from his perspective and if I came here from another forum I would be suspicious of people like BH or myself at the start of the game trying to push the lynch off to RNG and avoid analysis. We all know BH is going to do his thing and I'm actually still going to attempt to solve the game despite the fact that I like RNG.

On October 08 2014 07:47 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 08 2014 07:42 StorrZerg wrote:
On October 08 2014 07:32 Grackaroni wrote:
It seems like a lot of people are scum reading Lian just because they disagree with a lot of his logic. But there's actually a lot of townie things about his filter and he's putting a lot of effort into the game.


Why the priority on "logic" when i feel the majority of people that are reading him scum has to do with how he scum reads people, and that he is very wishy washy with reads, and is only really scum reading inactives.

new to the forum. 5 page filter already. Low content game. Enough said really. You don't like that he's pushing people for supporting RNG but I think theres genuine reason for why he's suspicious of people pushing RNG.


On October 08 2014 08:34 Grackaroni wrote:
Yeah Storr I reread your case I'm not following the difference between your X and my Y. You're saying he's scum because he's scum reading all of the inactives. The reason he doesn't want to scum read OO is because he's suspicious of the people pushing RNG because his logic tells him that supporting RNG is scummy. For Lian pushing RNG is not just some policy BH likes to do it's something BH is doing this game to avoid contributing analysis and that Slam/I jumped on to for the same reason. In his mind that makes OO less scummy I guess.


On October 09 2014 02:56 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 09 2014 02:49 Damdred wrote:
BH seems interested, and is actually doing things and pushing his lynch today. Normally when hes scum in almost every scum game i've seen or read, he makes excuses complains and only posts during the time hes not "busy". here he is the opposite he has been in the thread, has argued not complained and not made excuses for his absence plus he did lynch scum oo day one and put rng on him even before he made his entrance into the thread.

You know BH doesn't choose who gets RNGed. That's kind of the whole point of RNG.



YOU SEEM QUITE CONFIDENT IN MY RNG FOR A GUY WHO DOESNT KNOW ABOUT MY RNG

You RNG as scum and as town, but you make an effort to avoid contributing as town. I didn't say that because you RNG'd you must definitely be scum. I said that if you don't pick up your play you are, which is true.


I'm not talking about your read on me, Grack. Screw your read, that's irrelevant bull crap. I'm talking about the fact that you were trying to fake lack of knowledge about or familiarity with my RNG. You're caught in a lie and trying to talk about something else, but everyone knows you're lying about my RNG now, you DID know about it, you've played with it, youv'e argued about it. You can't wiggle out of this one buddy.

Show me where I faked lack of knowledge about you RNGing.

I also still don't see any post ID and you haven't shown me where it is.


??? Already did, liar. Liar. liar. liar. liar. liar. liar.

liar.

liar.

die.

Also, it's very easy, just right click the timestamp and copy the link address. For example, this post of yours has a link address of "http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=26538800" which means the number is "26538800" but i don't know why I'm explaining this to you again.
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#226
On June 04 2017 09:28 Grackaroni wrote:
The number is gone. It used to be there and it's not there anymore. I've definitely talked about this with Palmar before when we were trying to RNG.


liar.

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#227
Grackaroni lies as easily as he breathes! He is scum and just trying to distract from the fact that he is scum. He must be lynched.
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#229
On June 04 2017 09:31 Grackaroni wrote:
lol ok it works I just didn't know how to do it.


haha yeah you try to back out of the web of lies you've made up about me but everyone knows now.
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#231
On June 04 2017 09:32 Tumblewood wrote:
"give up, scum" is perhaps the lamest phrase I have ever seen


maybe, but you have to admit that Grack's actions are clearly scummy.
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#234
On June 04 2017 09:34 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2017 05:53 Grackaroni wrote:
Also BH you know you can't random lynch in newbie games. Plus you never told me how you generated the number. I think the post id disappeared from the old method you used to use.

Stop I can't breathe. The web is too strong.


liar
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#235
On June 04 2017 09:34 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2017 09:32 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 04 2017 09:31 Grackaroni wrote:
lol ok it works I just didn't know how to do it.


haha yeah you try to back out of the web of lies you've made up about me but everyone knows now.

fun fact there was one time when I referenced a post by rsoul that didn't exist and rels treated me like this all game


was it a pattern of lying about something you already knew?
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#259
Hmm, maybe i'm not as aware of my own meta. I like to think I'm fairly involved whether I am town or scum. Not tryna convince you I'm scum or anything but if my scumplay is that much obviously less involved than my town play I've clearly been underperforming as scum
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#282
On June 04 2017 16:27 Vivax wrote:
Ritoky you also getting flashbacks from that game where 1gu and BH were mafia when you see 1gu writing longish confused posts?


Man that game was great, probably the best scumgame I've played ever
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#286
On June 04 2017 17:11 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2017 17:02 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 04 2017 16:27 Vivax wrote:
Ritoky you also getting flashbacks from that game where 1gu and BH were mafia when you see 1gu writing longish confused posts?


Man that game was great, probably the best scumgame I've played ever



Yeah you bussed the crap out of me for no reason...


Hey we won in the end

Also you really weren't pulling your weight imo
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#445
On June 05 2017 04:51 Holyflare wrote:
Let's look at two differing worlds here.

Tumblewood - "BH is definitely town because I read his meta and it's clear to me that he's doing more things than his usual scum game!"

Vivax - "BH is mafia because he's doing nothing and he had the opportunity to solve the game but didn't!"

Now, I'll tell you for free that BH's meta is regardless of alignment to make an RNG post, push his RNG lynch and gain nothing from it till potentially end of day, but more likely the next cycle. Vivax knows this, TW probably does not.

So why is Vivax making it out like BH is scum for doing something he never does? Because it's a chance for a mislynch.

Why is Tumblewood, king of TMI as mafia, pushing that this is definitely BH's town meta despite it being the same as each of his games as either alignment?

I'll give you a hint, it's because they are both mafia trying to achieve different things and cocking it up with inaccurate meta. Vivax, pushing the afkers and mislynchables, TW using tmi to defend 90% of the game.


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#448
Shiit I was a fool to ever doubt the power of RNG, ©, a method that has literally never failed
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#451
I'm quasi here via phone for an hour ish then I'll be here via computer
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#468
Vivax.Are you 100% certain I'm scum
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#474
Normally I'd object that I've barely played in the last two years so me meta isn't super relevant, but I am a narcissist and really like being analyzed like some ancient God of mafia
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#564
His meta read on me seemed a little strange iirc
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#565
That being said I'm sure I've played like this as town in the past
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#570
I like ritoky and think he's town but don't remember why
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#591
On June 05 2017 06:59 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2017 06:57 Grackaroni wrote:
I think your case is solid but I still kind of like him because he's being snarky and more defiant in this game. The other problem is that he's not exactly known to make very much sense as town.


^ this

Tbh I'm itching to lynch him since he doesn't wanna explain his BH read which makes zero sense.

And on the other hand I know HF is mafia and will go full dictator on all the cred he's getting if TW is indeed scum. So I want TW to be town hard.

He's done it before on a D1.


So then HF is scum.protecting me and bussing TW in your view
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#595
On June 05 2017 07:03 Grackaroni wrote:
BH what was the deal with your push on me? Was it meant as a joke or serious? You haven't brought it up at all since then.


You lied and are pretty likely to be scum. People even admit you're lying but don't think it makes you scum. Very frustrating. Sigh
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#618
On June 05 2017 07:15 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2017 07:06 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 05 2017 07:03 Grackaroni wrote:
BH what was the deal with your push on me? Was it meant as a joke or serious? You haven't brought it up at all since then.


You lied and are pretty likely to be scum. People even admit you're lying but don't think it makes you scum. Very frustrating. Sigh

Why aren't you trying to convince people to lynch me then? It shouldn't be that hard to find a better reason to get people to lynch me that doesn't make them giggle. Especially for one as talented as BLAZINGHAND.


I have a big reputation but I doubt I'm an above average player these days

Anyways I'm just feeling low key I guess. Didn't expect to be in so soon
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#625
On June 05 2017 07:30 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2017 07:29 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 05 2017 07:15 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 05 2017 07:06 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 05 2017 07:03 Grackaroni wrote:
BH what was the deal with your push on me? Was it meant as a joke or serious? You haven't brought it up at all since then.


You lied and are pretty likely to be scum. People even admit you're lying but don't think it makes you scum. Very frustrating. Sigh

Why aren't you trying to convince people to lynch me then? It shouldn't be that hard to find a better reason to get people to lynch me that doesn't make them giggle. Especially for one as talented as BLAZINGHAND.


I have a big reputation but I doubt I'm an above average player these days

Anyways I'm just feeling low key I guess. Didn't expect to be in so soon

I'm just messing with you because of your ego.

Fair
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#636
If he's doc, don't lynch him... Seems obvious to me
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#641
On June 05 2017 07:39 Vivax wrote:
IF BH claims doctor too we lynch TW first cause BHs play makes more sense if he's blue esp. after the game HF posted where he played like this and then claimed cop.

BH claim doc if you want us to lynch TW, then we lynch you for lynching the doc.

Profit


???
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#649
On June 05 2017 07:43 Tubesock wrote:
I'm contemplating a yolo vivax lynch.


Better than voting claimed doc
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#651
On June 05 2017 07:44 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2017 07:43 Tubesock wrote:
I'm contemplating a yolo vivax lynch.


Better than voting claimed doc

Also RNG... If it works I can brag about it forever
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#652
On June 05 2017 07:44 Holyflare wrote:
is it though?


I mean, claimed doc... Unless we have a reason to think is fake right
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#663
On June 05 2017 07:46 Holyflare wrote:
CCing is a great trade here btw

I'm not CCing but if I were the doc, trust me I totally would
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#677
On June 05 2017 07:53 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2017 07:51 Tumblewood wrote:
On June 05 2017 07:49 Vivax wrote:
On June 05 2017 07:48 Tumblewood wrote:
On June 05 2017 07:45 Vivax wrote:
There's only one reason for BH to do nothing all game this openly: He's mafia.

HF finds meta game where he does nothing all D1, then claims cop.

Conclusion: BH does nothing as town when he's blue.

He did nothing this game so he's town or blue.
If he isn't the doctor, he is scum.
He isn't ccing doctor, so he is scum.

Put vote on BH, win gaem.

when people make constant arguments about someone not doing anything, the argument is always terrible


Yes what has TL come to that active engaged players want to lynch others for doing nothing.
Or is the issue that there are players doing nothing?

i don't even agree with the claim that he's doing nothing. that's usually the flaw in that sort of argument, that they keep yelling about it and never turn around and realize the player actually did something. or they just write off everything as not a real contribution


BH summary of this day:

RNG stuff.
Push Grack for lying about rng even though it's obviously not an argument anyone would follow.
Talk about past game with onegu scum teammate but posting no opinion on onegu this game at all.
Then stick around at EoD kind of posting one liners and some wifom about ritoky.


Whoa you left out me vaguely defending TW without committing before he claimed

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#680
On June 05 2017 07:54 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2017 07:53 Vivax wrote:
On June 05 2017 07:51 Tumblewood wrote:
On June 05 2017 07:49 Vivax wrote:
On June 05 2017 07:48 Tumblewood wrote:
On June 05 2017 07:45 Vivax wrote:
There's only one reason for BH to do nothing all game this openly: He's mafia.

HF finds meta game where he does nothing all D1, then claims cop.

Conclusion: BH does nothing as town when he's blue.

He did nothing this game so he's town or blue.
If he isn't the doctor, he is scum.
He isn't ccing doctor, so he is scum.

Put vote on BH, win gaem.

when people make constant arguments about someone not doing anything, the argument is always terrible


Yes what has TL come to that active engaged players want to lynch others for doing nothing.
Or is the issue that there are players doing nothing?

i don't even agree with the claim that he's doing nothing. that's usually the flaw in that sort of argument, that they keep yelling about it and never turn around and realize the player actually did something. or they just write off everything as not a real contribution


BH summary of this day:

RNG stuff.
Push Grack for lying about rng even though it's obviously not an argument anyone would follow.
Talk about past game with onegu scum teammate but posting no opinion on onegu this game at all.
Then stick around at EoD kind of posting one liners and some wifom about ritoky.


Whoa you left out me vaguely defending TW without committing before he claimed



Err, I mean attacking. You get the idea
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#689
On June 05 2017 07:56 Holyflare wrote:
i'll lynch bh

Sigh well better I die than the claimed doc at least
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#692
On June 05 2017 07:59 Holyflare wrote:
i don't think he's doctor

If you genuinely believe this...? I'm not the best target. Surely
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#695
On June 05 2017 08:00 LightningStrike wrote:
HF switching to BH after saying BH was a coin flip lynch. Hmmm.


I don't get it but he's explaining now
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#697
On June 05 2017 08:00 Holyflare wrote:
I absolutely think LS is the optimal lynch today by the way.


Why's that? I'm all ears
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#701
On June 05 2017 08:01 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2017 08:00 Holyflare wrote:
I absolutely think LS is the optimal lynch today by the way.

Better me than a claimed blue I guess.

Welcombt to the club buddy
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#703
On June 05 2017 08:02 Holyflare wrote:
all right, yes, absolutely let's lynch LS he has faaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrr too many posturing posts in this game and all his weird "dilemmas" are so far-fetched and obvious choices that it looks really bad


Hmm well better him than the claimed doc, in his own words he supports this
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#705
On June 05 2017 08:03 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2017 08:01 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 05 2017 08:00 Holyflare wrote:
I absolutely think LS is the optimal lynch today by the way.

Better me than a claimed blue I guess.

this is a very town thing to say. not voting ls today

I SAID THIS FIRST
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#706
On June 05 2017 08:04 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2017 07:59 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 05 2017 07:56 Holyflare wrote:
i'll lynch bh

Sigh well better I die than the claimed doc at least


Show nested quote +
On June 05 2017 08:03 Tumblewood wrote:
On June 05 2017 08:01 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 05 2017 08:00 Holyflare wrote:
I absolutely think LS is the optimal lynch today by the way.

Better me than a claimed blue I guess.

this is a very town thing to say. not voting ls today


literally copying a guy



<3 I see what you mean bro
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#735
On June 05 2017 08:21 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2017 08:06 LightningStrike wrote:
I think BH is likely town who was willing to die for our unCCed blue.


.....................................................

He's still here, still not doing any scumhunting whatsoever.


I'm also town
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#739
On June 05 2017 08:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2017 08:21 Vivax wrote:
On June 05 2017 08:06 LightningStrike wrote:
I think BH is likely town who was willing to die for our unCCed blue.


.....................................................

He's still here, still not doing any scumhunting whatsoever.

He willing to get lynched over our unCCed blue.

I prefer neither though of course if is doable
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#751
What's the vote count
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#778
why are people getting on the pb wagon? is it just afkness

On June 05 2017 08:31 Tubesock wrote:
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On June 05 2017 08:30 Tumblewood wrote:
but you know what hf? i would be totally fine with not lynching you today. we just need an alternative who isn't an active townie trying to solve the game. as in not vivax, bh, ls, or grack


How is Grack, LS, or BH "active?"


for all my flaws i am in fact here, even if i'm not being productive
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June 04 2017 23:55 GMT
#815
ARE WE SHENANNIING ONTO FIDEI? I DON'T WANT TO DIE AND I DON'T WANT THE BLUE TO DIE SO PLEASE ASNWER
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June 04 2017 23:55 GMT
#822
On June 05 2017 08:55 Grackaroni wrote:
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On June 05 2017 08:55 Blazinghand wrote:
ARE WE SHENANNIING ONTO FIDEI? I DON'T WANT TO DIE AND I DON'T WANT THE BLUE TO DIE SO PLEASE ASNWER

We really should have killed BH. This isn't town BH.

ok but it's literally town bh so you are wrong
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June 04 2017 23:56 GMT
#825
##Unvote
##Vote Vivax
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June 04 2017 23:56 GMT
#827
On June 05 2017 08:55 LightningStrike wrote:
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On June 05 2017 08:55 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 05 2017 08:55 Blazinghand wrote:
ARE WE SHENANNIING ONTO FIDEI? I DON'T WANT TO DIE AND I DON'T WANT THE BLUE TO DIE SO PLEASE ASNWER

We really should have killed BH. This isn't town BH.

You sure?

do you really trust this guy at all
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June 04 2017 23:57 GMT
#830
we have 5 votes on fidei more than enough that he'll be hammered, not sure if I should be principle-voting grack or vivax here but i feel better about vivax, but grack's anger fuels me...
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June 04 2017 23:57 GMT
#836
On June 05 2017 08:56 Vivax wrote:
Fidei is town and has good reads and you're all terrible.


so you gonna advocate another choice here to shenannie onto? unless you're doing that your'e not saving fidei, you're just setting yourself up to "look good" in the vent you are scum and he is town
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June 04 2017 23:58 GMT
#837
On June 05 2017 08:57 Tumblewood wrote:
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On June 05 2017 08:56 Blazinghand wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Vivax

????????????????????????????????????????


what do you guys actually need an extra vote on fidei? I mean srs
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June 04 2017 23:58 GMT
#842
On June 05 2017 08:58 LightningStrike wrote:
I not feeling good about this switch to james now with everyone jumping on broad.

not gonna lie i'm just happy it's not me or the doctor
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June 04 2017 23:58 GMT
#844
On June 05 2017 08:58 LightningStrike wrote:
Also BH's switch onto Vivax is very odd.


:p then vote me for it kiddo
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June 04 2017 23:59 GMT
#845
On June 05 2017 08:58 ritoky wrote:
people are voting fidei cuz?


cause i'm relatively clearly town and TW claimed doc
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June 05 2017 00:00 GMT
#849
On June 05 2017 08:59 LightningStrike wrote:
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On June 05 2017 08:58 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 05 2017 08:58 LightningStrike wrote:
Also BH's switch onto Vivax is very odd.


:p then vote me for it kiddo

Not enough time to switch.


exactly! NYA NYA NYAAAAAA

and tbh i think vivax or grack could both be scum here. in post-game i will be redeemd if nothing else. plus it's important blues not die and be safe and we have enough voted on fidei (and i'm still not usre why we shenannie onto him) but hey i get to live i wont' whine
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June 05 2017 00:01 GMT
#851
count me as an honorary fidei voter, unless he flips green, in which case please don't
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June 05 2017 00:10 GMT
#857
Once again Blazinghand saves the day with his good choices
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June 05 2017 00:11 GMT
#862
On June 05 2017 09:10 LightningStrike wrote:
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On June 05 2017 09:10 Blazinghand wrote:
Once again Blazinghand saves the day with his good choices

Ugh no you voted off the wagon EoD for no reason at all.

Yeah i was joking. Was that not clear? Anyways, I also made very sure Fidei was dead without my vote before doing so so you can chillax bro and just respect that it was my leadership and my leaderhsip alone that lead town to victory
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June 05 2017 00:12 GMT
#863
On June 05 2017 09:11 LightningStrike wrote:
Also Vivax calling James town and that his reads were good seems very odd now that James flipped scum.


And my voting Vivax, as well as successfully RNGing him, shows that I am super good right
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June 05 2017 00:17 GMT
#871
Well now that it's night i hav an excuse to not speak for 24 hours and nobody can call me out on it !! :D
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June 05 2017 00:43 GMT
#879
On June 05 2017 09:39 Prison Break wrote:
I mean how many scum are there. I assume 3? one was fidei. Maybe one was AFK. So you make any conclusions on this based off literally 1 person who did or didn't fight it?


Things weren't that close, and there's a question of whether the other 2 scum could reasonably go to the mat for fidei in the last moments there. Although it's certainly likely 1 or both remaining scum were AFK, it's entirely possible both were there and didn't want to out themselves for an uncertain chance of saving an ally.
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June 05 2017 00:59 GMT
#881
On June 05 2017 09:50 LightningStrike wrote:
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On June 05 2017 09:39 Prison Break wrote:
I mean how many scum are there. I assume 3? one was fidei. Maybe one was AFK. So you make any conclusions on this based off literally 1 person who did or didn't fight it?

At least 1 was afk if not maybe 2 with James. If both scum were around EoD then they made a error letting James get lynched in that fashion.

Yeah it's possible, I think it was a pretty snappy shenannie though. Shenannies are vastly underrated and people think that scum can stop them but really they're one of the most powerful tools in the town toolbox. As former shenanigan king I assure you this is true
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June 05 2017 01:36 GMT
#886
On June 05 2017 10:01 LightningStrike wrote:
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On June 05 2017 09:59 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 05 2017 09:50 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 05 2017 09:39 Prison Break wrote:
I mean how many scum are there. I assume 3? one was fidei. Maybe one was AFK. So you make any conclusions on this based off literally 1 person who did or didn't fight it?

At least 1 was afk if not maybe 2 with James. If both scum were around EoD then they made a error letting James get lynched in that fashion.

Yeah it's possible, I think it was a pretty snappy shenannie though. Shenannies are vastly underrated and people think that scum can stop them but really they're one of the most powerful tools in the town toolbox. As former shenanigan king I assure you this is true

They had like 10 mins I think which is plenty of time to try to sway people away I think.

Never undeestimate the power of shenannies!
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June 05 2017 02:56 GMT
#887
So the moral of the story is, once again Blazinghand carrying town to victory
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June 05 2017 03:56 GMT
#888
Yes. I, blazinghand, am the best
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#891
One gu to rule them all, One gu to find them, One gu to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.
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#901
Yep once again I Blazinghand am helping so much
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June 05 2017 21:38 GMT
#958
On June 06 2017 04:08 LightningStrike wrote:
ritoky why you wasted your vote EoD when it was clear no one was on me? That was extremely dumb and BH wasting his vote too was terrible we just got lucky on the shannies hitting scum.


wow, haters gonna hate much? the wagon was safe so I can do what I want, I checked and everything. I could have done literally anything with my vote and it made no diff, you should count me as having voted for fidei in spirit, don't be a lamer man

On June 06 2017 04:42 LightningStrike wrote:
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On June 06 2017 04:29 ritoky wrote:
On June 06 2017 04:08 LightningStrike wrote:
ritoky why you wasted your vote EoD when it was clear no one was on me? That was extremely dumb and BH wasting his vote too was terrible we just got lucky on the shannies hitting scum.


bh waited until the dude was basically in the ground b4 playing games, he didn't endanger shit.

and wasted my vote? i came back with 3 minutes, barely grasped that a blue had been claimed and voted on the next up on my list. you act like my vote could have done anything. i don't see a quadruple voter role in this game.

It still makes you and BH look bad for VCA that why I giving a damn about it. We both know wasting votes regardless of the flip is terrible.


LOL YOU THINK MY VOTE MADE A DIFF

broh if you needed my vote I was there, but the shenanny was safe. Look at this kid trying to set up a wagon on me, look at him! LOL

On June 06 2017 04:43 Holyflare wrote:
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On June 06 2017 04:42 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 06 2017 04:29 ritoky wrote:
On June 06 2017 04:08 LightningStrike wrote:
ritoky why you wasted your vote EoD when it was clear no one was on me? That was extremely dumb and BH wasting his vote too was terrible we just got lucky on the shannies hitting scum.


bh waited until the dude was basically in the ground b4 playing games, he didn't endanger shit.

and wasted my vote? i came back with 3 minutes, barely grasped that a blue had been claimed and voted on the next up on my list. you act like my vote could have done anything. i don't see a quadruple voter role in this game.

It still makes you and BH look bad for VCA that why I giving a damn about it. We both know wasting votes regardless of the flip is terrible.


no it doesn't really


truth

On June 06 2017 04:46 ritoky wrote:
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On June 06 2017 04:42 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 06 2017 04:29 ritoky wrote:
On June 06 2017 04:08 LightningStrike wrote:
ritoky why you wasted your vote EoD when it was clear no one was on me? That was extremely dumb and BH wasting his vote too was terrible we just got lucky on the shannies hitting scum.


bh waited until the dude was basically in the ground b4 playing games, he didn't endanger shit.

and wasted my vote? i came back with 3 minutes, barely grasped that a blue had been claimed and voted on the next up on my list. you act like my vote could have done anything. i don't see a quadruple voter role in this game.

It still makes you and BH look bad for VCA that why I giving a damn about it. We both know wasting votes regardless of the flip is terrible.


i mean i could sit here and argue back that i would have voted on fid for the free cred if i come back to the thread and my partner is basically dead. but where's that gonna get us?


fun fact, a vote for fidei when he's already 100% dead due to the huge wagon is actually worth zero cred despite what LS says. In fact, if you came back and wagoned onto Fidei when he was already gonna die 100%, at the last minute, this would be MORE suspcious imo

On June 06 2017 04:55 Holyflare wrote:
vivax is definitely mafia though he pushed bull shit all game on PB/BH/me and at deadline decided to throw away votes and then afk at night cz his partner died


TBH if Vivax is Mafia, I'm gonna be so smug in post game if I die first, or right after he flips if he dies first, I really hope he's mafia


On June 06 2017 05:35 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got back from the vet:
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On June 06 2017 04:43 Holyflare wrote:
On June 06 2017 04:42 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 06 2017 04:29 ritoky wrote:
On June 06 2017 04:08 LightningStrike wrote:
ritoky why you wasted your vote EoD when it was clear no one was on me? That was extremely dumb and BH wasting his vote too was terrible we just got lucky on the shannies hitting scum.


bh waited until the dude was basically in the ground b4 playing games, he didn't endanger shit.

and wasted my vote? i came back with 3 minutes, barely grasped that a blue had been claimed and voted on the next up on my list. you act like my vote could have done anything. i don't see a quadruple voter role in this game.

It still makes you and BH look bad for VCA that why I giving a damn about it. We both know wasting votes regardless of the flip is terrible.


no it doesn't really

Damdred told me this in one of the games in my early days of playing no joke there.
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On June 06 2017 04:46 ritoky wrote:
On June 06 2017 04:42 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 06 2017 04:29 ritoky wrote:
On June 06 2017 04:08 LightningStrike wrote:
ritoky why you wasted your vote EoD when it was clear no one was on me? That was extremely dumb and BH wasting his vote too was terrible we just got lucky on the shannies hitting scum.


bh waited until the dude was basically in the ground b4 playing games, he didn't endanger shit.

and wasted my vote? i came back with 3 minutes, barely grasped that a blue had been claimed and voted on the next up on my list. you act like my vote could have done anything. i don't see a quadruple voter role in this game.

It still makes you and BH look bad for VCA that why I giving a damn about it. We both know wasting votes regardless of the flip is terrible.


i mean i could sit here and argue back that i would have voted on fid for the free cred if i come back to the thread and my partner is basically dead. but where's that gonna get us?

Some towncred you could use for later.
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On June 06 2017 04:49 ritoky wrote:
i don't get you LS. do you think i am wrong or mafia? i feel like you're talking to me like i am wrong, not mafia; which is just bizarre.

I don't know honestly like I thought you were townie early on but your EoD voting on a off wagon that wasn't going to happen seems sketchy. Which is a issue I had with BH too EoD on his vote switch to Vivax.


your issue is bad and you should feel bad

On June 06 2017 05:42 Vivax wrote:
Yea well if you think I'm mafia for afking this game shoot me tonight cause I'm pulling a rayn and will be afk.
Just gonna vote when either of HF or BH gets lynched and make a token post during the day.


scumclaim?!?!?!? OH SHIT IM SO GOOD

On June 06 2017 05:44 LightningStrike wrote:
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On June 06 2017 05:42 Vivax wrote:
Yea well if you think I'm mafia for afking this game shoot me tonight cause I'm pulling a rayn and will be afk.
Just gonna vote when either of HF or BH gets lynched and make a token post during the day.

Why you so sure BH and HF are scum?


he aint

On June 06 2017 05:52 Holyflare wrote:
First it's hf tmi and bh must be town. Then it's bh is definitely mafia even though meta states he could be anything. Now it's hf hard defending team mate bh. Ok vivax.


Dude i'm so hyped for when Vivax flips Mafia, you're never gonna hear the end of it from me for like, years.
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June 05 2017 21:41 GMT
#960
On June 06 2017 06:40 Grackaroni wrote:
lol BH is actually town. It's still his fault for not making townie posts before this.


??? what's my "fault"? We lynched scum D1, everything went great, I don't know why you'd seem displeased with the D1 outcome...

...unless...

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June 05 2017 23:14 GMT
#964
On June 06 2017 07:53 Tubesock wrote:
Just in case:

PB - too sloppy from his last mafia game.
Conversion - he's trying for help and actually giving his thoughts. Too transparent for mafia.
HF* He's just too dangerous as mafia to not distrust at least a little bit. In any case I'm not going to lynch him till like D4/5.
Ritoky- I felt mindmelded + Show Spoiler +
On June 04 2017 14:33 ritoky wrote:
i think the town is something like; me, tube, vivax, hf; and tentatively conv and pb

fidei has like....almost exact opposite reads of me. dunno what to think about that.

reading LS mafia, what else is new for me.

btdt has done nothing to change my opinion, still think he is probably mafia.

tw doesn't make a whole lot of sense. defending grack for ???? defending grack from spooky ghosts pushing him???? missed joke early. says "mindmeld" then doesn't say what the mindmeld was. mafia pile.

grack made a joke while being yelled at by BH, so he gets half a town point; but otherwise he hasn't done jack esp for a 2 page filter. actually i just looked at his filter and i take his half point back cuz he doesn't really have any posts pushing the game forward.

BH has been disappointing. i expected RNG -> a play or snowball it into some reads. if that was it, he could be mafia.

onegu...flip a coin.

Tumblewood - Uncc'd Doc but I don't think I'd out myself if I were the real doc just yet.
Onegu - started the successful shenany. It's certainly possible that he bussed for zero reason, but if he actually performs in the future, he's town.

LS- I used to think I could read LS. While his reasoning is "weird" his reads are / used to be actually good if you disregarded what he said and zero'd on just the names.

Mafias Most likely further down.

Grackaroni - mostly ignored because I still think BH is mafia. Take away BH though, and I don't see anything towny. I think his fight with Ritoky is pure OMGUS.

Blazinghand - at first I thought his jokes after the lynch made him town. His hyperawareness on how vote switching works (him telling Ritoky that if Ritoky jumped on the wagon after it was secured, it would have looked suspicious) tells me he is quite aware of his image. So, he's making sure everyone knows he's joking and trying to get us to like him. If he doesn't do anything next days we should kill him.

beentheredonethat- I think "emotional" outbursts is a terrible reason to town someone.
Vivax - I liked him until his weird shifts prior to the end of the day. His interaction with HF looked terrible.


Dude if you ever thought I wasn't hyper aware of how this game works you were wrong. I've been playing Mafia for years and although I am not the best player, and am a bit rusty, I still have lots of experience under my belt. Never dismiss me for being newbie or not getting something. I may have fun while I play but don't write me off: I'm also a highly intelligent, attractive, charming, successful with the ladies, muscular, rich, tall, well-liked fellow who really just is the best at everything, single ladies, so call me any time well not any time but you get the idea

On June 06 2017 07:43 Tumblewood wrote:
i don't anticipate seeing another day, so here is my advice:
bh, ls, onegu, ts and grack are all town
hf and vivax are 50% mafia, but wait a day. if hf is alive by d3 kill him, if vivax is scum he'll probably fold by d3
pb and btdt are probably town.
rit and conv have been generally overlooked, so idk stop overlooking them. very much possible that they're scum
gl. if i die, assume it was for my reads and not my role


rip in peace

this would be a great time to be like "haha I was fakeclaiming the whole time nice try scumteam" to WIFOM them into shooting someone else, maybe your target
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June 05 2017 23:50 GMT
#971
On June 06 2017 08:25 Tumblewood wrote:
you know, I would do that, but there's no clear save target and I'm not terribly excited to keep playing this game, despite how clearly this town depends on me to find scum


Oh... oh hoh.. .

On June 06 2017 08:48 Holyflare wrote:
The correct play at night is to play just as you would in the day.

Also I'm going to bed. Tumblewood isn't medic, I am vet.


OH HOH HOH HOH!H!H!?!?!


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#972
Oh man, anything can happen. Unfortunately I have to leave right after daypost since I'm about to get off work but... I bet maf is confused AF right now
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#1011
Onegu was untouchable after the wagon. If in fact the doctor claim is fake he was a highly solid nk.
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#1012
One gu to rule them all, one gu to find them...
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#1042
On June 06 2017 10:39 Holyflare wrote:
By the way, this is a game wide announcement. If you are a cop/vigi/doctor/any kind of blue then you should absolutely out to cc Tumblewood. Today is the only day that this is acceptable because any later then we are forced to assume it's a mafia plan.


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#1050
On June 06 2017 10:46 Tumblewood wrote:
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On June 06 2017 10:41 Holyflare wrote:
On June 06 2017 10:39 Tumblewood wrote:
On June 06 2017 10:37 Holyflare wrote:
How could they try to lynch you?

duh, by leaving me alive for a few more days and hoping people get suspicious of me.
btw pb the rule is not always kill the blue if you have a roleblocker


And then there's no blues or what?? You're saying, as the only claimed power role in the game, against 2 known power roles from mafia that we'd get you lynched?

I don't know what their plan is, but it doesn't seem too outlandish that the scumteam might leave me alive for a few days and hope people think "why isn't he dead yet? hmm a little suspicioouuss" and lynch me.

This isn't implausible
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#1056
On June 06 2017 11:01 Holyflare wrote:
Fake claiming rb isn't unheard of.


If two people claim RB tho this would actually be really good since one should be scum
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#1087
On June 06 2017 12:53 Vivax wrote:
Morning.
I'm cop and redchecked HF (in spite of his BS vet claim at the end of the night).

Now what's going to happen is:

You're all going to go ham on whether cop and doc is likely in this setup.

Everyone will either vote HF or me as it should be.

At the end of the day nothing anyone ever said matters again and you will all just lynch another random person again in some attack of herd mentality (which is the prime reason I'm not happy with this game). And don't tell me that lynching fidei wasn't random as hell cause you were all literally just looking for someone else to lynch other than TW except for 1gu who actually had some real arguments.

Now I will park my vote on HF, and probably afk until the end of the day when I check in to see if he got lynched. I literally don't care who you vote, but it has to be one of us.


Where's your crumb? Here are all the posts you made last night:

On June 05 2017 09:11 Vivax wrote:
He was green this is a bastard game

On June 05 2017 09:17 Vivax wrote:
Well I'm not mad cause BH is still mafia. If he is town I will be mad and bad, otherwise I feel no shame for defending fidei.

On June 05 2017 09:17 Vivax wrote:
So whoever wants to prove I'm bad has to lynch BH. 10/10 argument for lynching BH.

On June 06 2017 05:42 Vivax wrote:
Yea well if you think I'm mafia for afking this game shoot me tonight cause I'm pulling a rayn and will be afk.
Just gonna vote when either of HF or BH gets lynched and make a token post during the day.





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#1101
vivax fakeclaimed vet?
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#1111
On June 06 2017 15:27 Tubesock wrote:
BH,

I"m just having a hard time with reading you. You're only scums I can really tell from your filter are Grack and Vivax. Who I basically agree with. But if you only reason for scumming Grack is he lied about the RNG business, I don't like that. (Vivax will settle himself shortly anyway). Are there other's you are considering, or are you basically just hanging out to wait and see?

Where is your head?


I am primarily interested in the Vivax/HF stuff today. No matter what, we gotta play this shit out before we do anything else, or else we'll never be productive. I asked Vivax about his crumb, but unless he comes back and addresses my question... well there's nothing more to say about him. My post quoted his entire post-D1 filter.

There are NO possibiltiies such as Framer or Miller that allow for other things. So here's what has to be true, one of the following:

1) Vivax is Cop and HF is Mafia. Vivax is just an incredibly scummy fucker who happened to be Cop and he decided playing like this is the only way to get things done, we'll either believe him or we won't.
2) Vivax is Mafia and HF is Innocent. Vivax thinks he's dead in the water but wants to muck things up and get a 50% chance to at least take down a townie.
3) Vivax and HF are both Mafia (unlikely). Vivax is going down, but he wants to throw as much strength to HF as he can in the process, so he does this.
4) Vivax is not cop nor Mafia, and is being a trash player (very unlikely; Vivax wouldn't do this); HF could be Mafia or not

I consider Scenario 2 to be the most likely. however, Vivax deserves a chance to explain his crumbs and so on, so I'll wait for him to be back. It's itneresting observing you guys interact about this btw, and a bit disappoitning that at first nobody besides me seemed interested in the claim.
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#1112
On June 06 2017 16:01 Grackaroni wrote:
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On June 06 2017 13:14 ritoky wrote:
On June 06 2017 13:08 Grackaroni wrote:
It didn't seem interesting to me when I didn't know he was scum.

Now that I do it does seem interesting to me.


like i said your narrative for me being mafia is "he called me mafia! oh and he quoted this post onegu made 2 days ago that i didn't care about, but now i do; cuz he plotted to lump me in with fidei in the off chance onegu became confirmed town and fidei died! also he made a really convincing case on btdt that i agreed with, makes him mafia too."

town find evidence and draw conclusions from it. you make conclusions and try to find evidence and warp a narrative to fit your constructed worldview, that's just basic mafia mindset.

Can we kill this guy?


Basically, right now it is highly probable that at least one of Vivax/HF is scum. We should focus on this first.
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#1113
On June 06 2017 16:08 Tubesock wrote:
basically, we lynch HF unless Vivax rescinds then lynch Vivax. HF flips mafia we celebrate or lynch Vivax after. If we decide to lynch Vivax first, and he is cop then we just gave mafia a free nightkill.

So, basically now we can just talk about who is the last mafia.

So much faulty logic in this post..

Ok well first off, now that you've made this post, Vivax will not rescind right? lol

"If we decide to lynch Vivax first, and he is cop then we just gave mafia a free nightkill." If we decide to lynch HF first and Vivax is lying scum we ALSO just gave mafia a free kill :/ so like while technically your statement is true it is highly misleading because it implies the reverse isn't true.
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#1124
On June 06 2017 16:27 Tubesock wrote:
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On June 06 2017 16:15 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 06 2017 16:08 Tubesock wrote:
basically, we lynch HF unless Vivax rescinds then lynch Vivax. HF flips mafia we celebrate or lynch Vivax after. If we decide to lynch Vivax first, and he is cop then we just gave mafia a free nightkill.

So, basically now we can just talk about who is the last mafia.

So much faulty logic in this post..

Ok well first off, now that you've made this post, Vivax will not rescind right? lol

"If we decide to lynch Vivax first, and he is cop then we just gave mafia a free nightkill." If we decide to lynch HF first and Vivax is lying scum we ALSO just gave mafia a free kill :/ so like while technically your statement is true it is highly misleading because it implies the reverse isn't true.


I said we lynch HF unless Vivax rescinds then lynch Vivax.

How is that faulty?

True they do get a free nk anyway. I guess I'm trying to figure out the worst case scenario. Like I don't really want to be the town that kills the cop with a red check and later the redcheck. But Vivax outside of his claim looks pretty scummy.



WHY WOULD VIVAX RESCIND AFTER YOU WRITE THIE POST? this is literally a self-defeating post. If you say to someone, "if you rescind your claim, we will lynch you" then they will absolutely not rescind their claim, ESPECIALLY if they are scum. ??? isn't this obvious???
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#1126
On June 06 2017 16:28 Holyflare wrote:
And I have seen some damn questionable responses to this claim.


I'm still waiting on Vivax. If it makes you feel better there's no chance I'm voting you today
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June 06 2017 07:33 GMT
#1127
On June 06 2017 16:31 Blazinghand wrote:
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On June 06 2017 16:28 Holyflare wrote:
And I have seen some damn questionable responses to this claim.


I'm still waiting on Vivax. If it makes you feel better there's no chance I'm voting you today

Ok not no chance but very unlikely
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#1132
On June 06 2017 16:33 Tubesock wrote:
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On June 06 2017 16:31 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 06 2017 16:27 Tubesock wrote:
On June 06 2017 16:15 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 06 2017 16:08 Tubesock wrote:
basically, we lynch HF unless Vivax rescinds then lynch Vivax. HF flips mafia we celebrate or lynch Vivax after. If we decide to lynch Vivax first, and he is cop then we just gave mafia a free nightkill.

So, basically now we can just talk about who is the last mafia.

So much faulty logic in this post..

Ok well first off, now that you've made this post, Vivax will not rescind right? lol

"If we decide to lynch Vivax first, and he is cop then we just gave mafia a free nightkill." If we decide to lynch HF first and Vivax is lying scum we ALSO just gave mafia a free kill :/ so like while technically your statement is true it is highly misleading because it implies the reverse isn't true.


I said we lynch HF unless Vivax rescinds then lynch Vivax.

How is that faulty?

True they do get a free nk anyway. I guess I'm trying to figure out the worst case scenario. Like I don't really want to be the town that kills the cop with a red check and later the redcheck. But Vivax outside of his claim looks pretty scummy.



WHY WOULD VIVAX RESCIND AFTER YOU WRITE THIE POST? this is literally a self-defeating post. If you say to someone, "if you rescind your claim, we will lynch you" then they will absolutely not rescind their claim, ESPECIALLY if they are scum. ??? isn't this obvious???


I highly doubt that a player like Vivax would choose to not rescind because I said that.


LOL
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#1133
Well we all thought vivax was scum anyways (or at least I did) and I see no reason to change my mind now. he was desperate and had everything to gain and nothing to lose

##vote Vivax

Unless Vivax returns I really really doubt any of you will convince me to change my vote.

Also, you know, RNJESUS COMMANDS IT
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#1134
good night kiddos
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#1137
I feel no need to justify my vote
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#1138
in fact, all of you should justify why you aren't sheeping me right now
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#1161
On June 07 2017 02:40 Conversion wrote:
I'm here.

I'm keeping my vote on Vivax until something else happens

I agree with people that the play is probably lynch Vivax -> watch flip -> go from there.

If he's actually going to do something besides AFK I can change my vote, but I have my doubts

Endorsed
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#1171
So BTDT "why would vivax trade himself for holyflare if vivax was scum?" is implying that Vivax wasn't already gonna be lynched today. You of course had Vivax in your "don't lynch" list but let's imagine that he was 100% doomed today. If he was in fact 100% gonna be lynched, as scum, why NOT try to take down HF first?

Another way to look at it was "We're either lynching Vivax or HF today, who is scummier?" and I think the obvious answer is Vivax, even accounting for the cop claim.

It's entirely possible Vivax is in fact the town cop (or a vanilla townie who's just really mad at HF or something). But his play makes sense from the PoV of low-effort scum who can't be arsed to play the game, thinks he's dead no matter what, but wants to try to take someone down with him.
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#1177
On June 07 2017 03:05 beentheredonethat wrote:
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On June 06 2017 21:09 Holyflare wrote:
This game could be really really fun if vivax turns out to be the real cop who green checked bh and is making a logic leap to calling me mafia because that means Tumblewood is mafia.

That's the dream.

So you're even paranoid about Tumble's claim not being true although he's un-cc'ed.

Or is he and I'm dumb?


Adding on to what I said above, with the lack of crumbs and so on, well... BASICALLY

Vivax's posts overnight:

On June 06 2017 13:26 Blazinghand wrote:
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On June 06 2017 12:53 Vivax wrote:
Morning.
I'm cop and redchecked HF (in spite of his BS vet claim at the end of the night).

Now what's going to happen is:

You're all going to go ham on whether cop and doc is likely in this setup.

Everyone will either vote HF or me as it should be.

At the end of the day nothing anyone ever said matters again and you will all just lynch another random person again in some attack of herd mentality (which is the prime reason I'm not happy with this game). And don't tell me that lynching fidei wasn't random as hell cause you were all literally just looking for someone else to lynch other than TW except for 1gu who actually had some real arguments.

Now I will park my vote on HF, and probably afk until the end of the day when I check in to see if he got lynched. I literally don't care who you vote, but it has to be one of us.


Where's your crumb? Here are all the posts you made last night:

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On June 05 2017 09:11 Vivax wrote:
He was green this is a bastard game

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On June 05 2017 09:17 Vivax wrote:
Well I'm not mad cause BH is still mafia. If he is town I will be mad and bad, otherwise I feel no shame for defending fidei.

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On June 05 2017 09:17 Vivax wrote:
So whoever wants to prove I'm bad has to lynch BH. 10/10 argument for lynching BH.

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On June 06 2017 05:42 Vivax wrote:
Yea well if you think I'm mafia for afking this game shoot me tonight cause I'm pulling a rayn and will be afk.
Just gonna vote when either of HF or BH gets lynched and make a token post during the day.



Basically Vivax, if he is in fact the cop, it looks like he was checking either me or HF (since we're the people he mentioned overnight). He was talking about me mostly though so the "he checked BH, got Green, and now wants to lynch HF for TMI so is lying as cop" is a possibility. But not super likely. I think if he's cop and he had a green check on me he wouldn't claim a red check on HF.
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#1179
On June 07 2017 03:10 beentheredonethat wrote:
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On June 07 2017 03:09 Prison Break wrote:
if vivax flips cop we lynch HF and are down to 1 scum, which seems fine

I have more of a problem if vivax is town fake claiming, I want to eliminate that possibility first so I want him to come in and confirm his claim / or retract it

If HF flips scum we have a cop and a claimed doctor to heal that cop to get an additional check.


Depends on if HF is the RB or not. In this scenario, Mafia RB, if still alive, can RB the doc and shoot the cop. That being said, there is SOMETHING to be said for "all things being absolutely equal, it's probably better to lynch HF first since it'd give us an extra cop check if he's the RB" so this is a valid point
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#1186
On June 07 2017 03:10 beentheredonethat wrote:
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On June 07 2017 03:07 Blazinghand wrote:
So BTDT "why would vivax trade himself for holyflare if vivax was scum?" is implying that Vivax wasn't already gonna be lynched today. You of course had Vivax in your "don't lynch" list but let's imagine that he was 100% doomed today. If he was in fact 100% gonna be lynched, as scum, why NOT try to take down HF first?

Another way to look at it was "We're either lynching Vivax or HF today, who is scummier?" and I think the obvious answer is Vivax, even accounting for the cop claim.

It's entirely possible Vivax is in fact the town cop (or a vanilla townie who's just really mad at HF or something). But his play makes sense from the PoV of low-effort scum who can't be arsed to play the game, thinks he's dead no matter what, but wants to try to take someone down with him.

I just don't understand how at the very beginning of a 48 hour phase, a lynch on Vivax is already locked and will happen 100% of the time. The "If" you say there is a super big one.
Also why not simply cc the doc in Tumblewood and argue people into that? Vivax should be capable of that.


I'm pointing out a hypothetical there buddy, please understand that.

So what, you think Vivax as scum should have open today with a cc of Tumblewood? You are aware that it was explicitly called out and endorsed that "if you are Doc, CC Tumblewood NOW" yesterday?

Remember, Tumblewood claims Doc here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/522886-newbie-student-mafia-xxvi?page=31#615

So if Vivax is Doctor, he'd know Tumblewood is scum 100% at this point. He appears in the thread and doesn't cc him, in fact he basically ignores him to argue about other things and to push me and HF: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/522886-newbie-student-mafia-xxvi?page=32#634

Now, this is all OBVIOUS. The fact he didn't think Tw's doc claim was a big deal, never threw doubt on it, etc, also when we called for CCs, and so on.

Which means if he counterlcaims D2, he gets lynched instantly.

Don't suggest dumb things.
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June 06 2017 18:19 GMT
#1187
On June 07 2017 03:14 beentheredonethat wrote:
It's super fishy that noone is inclined to believe that claim especially since Vivax just pissed off and doesn't care about this game. I'm fairly certain he's not the guy to leave his teammates alone and fuck off of the sinking ship

also keep in mind yes one scum is down but we have wonky claims in tw/vivax, we have players that are super capable of bussing (BH/Onegu) and there's a lot of things to be paranoid about. In no way is this going to be easy, especially if we lynch Vivax and he flips cop because hell HF is capable of talking himself out of a check. In a cop/doc situation, a framer might be in, right?




"I'm fairly certain he's not the guy to leave his teammates alone and fuck off of the sinking ship" he literally is the kind of guy to do that

"HF is capable of talking himself out of a check" not with me around kiddo

" a framer might be in, right" literally impossible under the rules
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#1193
On June 07 2017 03:17 beentheredonethat wrote:
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On June 07 2017 03:12 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 07 2017 03:10 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 07 2017 03:09 Prison Break wrote:
if vivax flips cop we lynch HF and are down to 1 scum, which seems fine

I have more of a problem if vivax is town fake claiming, I want to eliminate that possibility first so I want him to come in and confirm his claim / or retract it

If HF flips scum we have a cop and a claimed doctor to heal that cop to get an additional check.


Depends on if HF is the RB or not. In this scenario, Mafia RB, if still alive, can RB the doc and shoot the cop. That being said, there is SOMETHING to be said for "all things being absolutely equal, it's probably better to lynch HF first since it'd give us an extra cop check if he's the RB" so this is a valid point

Granted. We have a cop and a doc claim and I am paranoid about the lack of any cc'ing here. Counter claiming either cop or doc is the thing right now that will kill a second mafia, potentially even the roleblocker.

By the way - GF is in so that should confirm the cop in this setup, right? I'm fairly certain that as long as there's no counterclaim, we should always lynch HF over Vivax.


GF being in does NOT confirm cop existence. The Hosts don't want the Mafia to have too much information, so they get a GF at the start whether or not there's a cop.

Man every piece of setup speculation you're doing is so bad
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June 06 2017 18:22 GMT
#1195
On June 07 2017 03:21 beentheredonethat wrote:
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On June 07 2017 03:19 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 07 2017 03:14 beentheredonethat wrote:
It's super fishy that noone is inclined to believe that claim especially since Vivax just pissed off and doesn't care about this game. I'm fairly certain he's not the guy to leave his teammates alone and fuck off of the sinking ship

also keep in mind yes one scum is down but we have wonky claims in tw/vivax, we have players that are super capable of bussing (BH/Onegu) and there's a lot of things to be paranoid about. In no way is this going to be easy, especially if we lynch Vivax and he flips cop because hell HF is capable of talking himself out of a check. In a cop/doc situation, a framer might be in, right?




"I'm fairly certain he's not the guy to leave his teammates alone and fuck off of the sinking ship" he literally is the kind of guy to do that

"HF is capable of talking himself out of a check" not with me around kiddo

" a framer might be in, right" literally impossible under the rules

ah you're right.

super good, lynch HF, no way he has been framed, so no way for Vivax to talk himself out of anything should HF flip green


So you think it's more likely HF will flip scum than Vivax will flip scum, based on their contributions to the game and Vivax's claim? Just to be clear here, you think HF is more likely to be scum than Vivax is? please explicitly answer directly.
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#1199
On June 07 2017 03:24 beentheredonethat wrote:
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On June 07 2017 03:21 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 07 2017 03:17 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 07 2017 03:12 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 07 2017 03:10 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 07 2017 03:09 Prison Break wrote:
if vivax flips cop we lynch HF and are down to 1 scum, which seems fine

I have more of a problem if vivax is town fake claiming, I want to eliminate that possibility first so I want him to come in and confirm his claim / or retract it

If HF flips scum we have a cop and a claimed doctor to heal that cop to get an additional check.


Depends on if HF is the RB or not. In this scenario, Mafia RB, if still alive, can RB the doc and shoot the cop. That being said, there is SOMETHING to be said for "all things being absolutely equal, it's probably better to lynch HF first since it'd give us an extra cop check if he's the RB" so this is a valid point

Granted. We have a cop and a doc claim and I am paranoid about the lack of any cc'ing here. Counter claiming either cop or doc is the thing right now that will kill a second mafia, potentially even the roleblocker.

By the way - GF is in so that should confirm the cop in this setup, right? I'm fairly certain that as long as there's no counterclaim, we should always lynch HF over Vivax.


GF being in does NOT confirm cop existence. The Hosts don't want the Mafia to have too much information, so they get a GF at the start whether or not there's a cop.

Man every piece of setup speculation you're doing is so bad

Don't call me bad, I get tilted super fast and then I get worse.
There's no need for a host to put in a GF when there is no investigative role. Can be a goon. Why would you actively mislead scum? In setups with cop/doc, it's even balance-wise important for mafia to know what's going on because they'll never be able to fake claim in a meaningful way if they don't know the setup.


Sigh, AS A HOST, and as the guy who does balance checks (sometimes) for new hosts, I give mafia a GF and advise giving Mafia GF even in games with no cop, it it's a closed setup. You make the experience identical whether there is or isn't a cop. This is like... I mean, come on man/

I'm not saying you're a bad player, but at least please trust my experience. I'm not saying there's definitely no cop; I'm saying the existence of a GF is independent of that fact.

I'm not saying you're a bad player, but just leave the setup speculation to me ok
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June 06 2017 18:28 GMT
#1202
On June 07 2017 03:27 beentheredonethat wrote:
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On June 07 2017 03:22 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 07 2017 03:21 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 07 2017 03:19 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 07 2017 03:14 beentheredonethat wrote:
It's super fishy that noone is inclined to believe that claim especially since Vivax just pissed off and doesn't care about this game. I'm fairly certain he's not the guy to leave his teammates alone and fuck off of the sinking ship

also keep in mind yes one scum is down but we have wonky claims in tw/vivax, we have players that are super capable of bussing (BH/Onegu) and there's a lot of things to be paranoid about. In no way is this going to be easy, especially if we lynch Vivax and he flips cop because hell HF is capable of talking himself out of a check. In a cop/doc situation, a framer might be in, right?




"I'm fairly certain he's not the guy to leave his teammates alone and fuck off of the sinking ship" he literally is the kind of guy to do that

"HF is capable of talking himself out of a check" not with me around kiddo

" a framer might be in, right" literally impossible under the rules

ah you're right.

super good, lynch HF, no way he has been framed, so no way for Vivax to talk himself out of anything should HF flip green


So you think it's more likely HF will flip scum than Vivax will flip scum, based on their contributions to the game and Vivax's claim? Just to be clear here, you think HF is more likely to be scum than Vivax is? please explicitly answer directly.

HF is super active and drives the game forward.
Vivax is not so super active, has fucked off D2, but I think he had a decent D1.

Without the claim: I'd probably lynch neither of them.
If I had to choose, I'd lynch Vivax over HF.


Well, we have to choose.
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#1203
On June 07 2017 03:28 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2017 03:27 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 07 2017 03:24 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 07 2017 03:21 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 07 2017 03:17 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 07 2017 03:12 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 07 2017 03:10 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 07 2017 03:09 Prison Break wrote:
if vivax flips cop we lynch HF and are down to 1 scum, which seems fine

I have more of a problem if vivax is town fake claiming, I want to eliminate that possibility first so I want him to come in and confirm his claim / or retract it

If HF flips scum we have a cop and a claimed doctor to heal that cop to get an additional check.


Depends on if HF is the RB or not. In this scenario, Mafia RB, if still alive, can RB the doc and shoot the cop. That being said, there is SOMETHING to be said for "all things being absolutely equal, it's probably better to lynch HF first since it'd give us an extra cop check if he's the RB" so this is a valid point

Granted. We have a cop and a doc claim and I am paranoid about the lack of any cc'ing here. Counter claiming either cop or doc is the thing right now that will kill a second mafia, potentially even the roleblocker.

By the way - GF is in so that should confirm the cop in this setup, right? I'm fairly certain that as long as there's no counterclaim, we should always lynch HF over Vivax.


GF being in does NOT confirm cop existence. The Hosts don't want the Mafia to have too much information, so they get a GF at the start whether or not there's a cop.

Man every piece of setup speculation you're doing is so bad

Don't call me bad, I get tilted super fast and then I get worse.
There's no need for a host to put in a GF when there is no investigative role. Can be a goon. Why would you actively mislead scum? In setups with cop/doc, it's even balance-wise important for mafia to know what's going on because they'll never be able to fake claim in a meaningful way if they don't know the setup.


Sigh, AS A HOST, and as the guy who does balance checks (sometimes) for new hosts, I give mafia a GF and advise giving Mafia GF even in games with no cop, it it's a closed setup. You make the experience identical whether there is or isn't a cop. This is like... I mean, come on man/

I'm not saying you're a bad player, but at least please trust my experience. I'm not saying there's definitely no cop; I'm saying the existence of a GF is independent of that fact.

I'm not saying you're a bad player, but just leave the setup speculation to me ok

This is a semi-open setup, not a closed setup.


JESUS CHRIST HOW ARE YOU SO DENSE

THE POINT IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE EXACT ROLE COUNTS AND SHIT, YOUR OBJECTION IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT

ALSO THIS IS SEMI-CLOSED NOT SEMI-OPEN

JUST STOP TALKING
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#1205
and yes I know kita calls it semi-open but it's semi-closed, he's also wrong.
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#1207
actually you know what BTDT if it makes you feel better I concede the point on the NAMING of the setup type, but there's NOTHING that implies that automatically there must be a Cop if there is a GF. In fact, PM the host if you want and ask, "in setups with a GF, is it required by the rules there also is a cop" please give it a try

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#1210
On June 07 2017 03:30 beentheredonethat wrote:
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On June 07 2017 03:29 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 07 2017 03:28 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 07 2017 03:27 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 07 2017 03:24 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 07 2017 03:21 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 07 2017 03:17 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 07 2017 03:12 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 07 2017 03:10 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 07 2017 03:09 Prison Break wrote:
if vivax flips cop we lynch HF and are down to 1 scum, which seems fine

I have more of a problem if vivax is town fake claiming, I want to eliminate that possibility first so I want him to come in and confirm his claim / or retract it

If HF flips scum we have a cop and a claimed doctor to heal that cop to get an additional check.


Depends on if HF is the RB or not. In this scenario, Mafia RB, if still alive, can RB the doc and shoot the cop. That being said, there is SOMETHING to be said for "all things being absolutely equal, it's probably better to lynch HF first since it'd give us an extra cop check if he's the RB" so this is a valid point

Granted. We have a cop and a doc claim and I am paranoid about the lack of any cc'ing here. Counter claiming either cop or doc is the thing right now that will kill a second mafia, potentially even the roleblocker.

By the way - GF is in so that should confirm the cop in this setup, right? I'm fairly certain that as long as there's no counterclaim, we should always lynch HF over Vivax.


GF being in does NOT confirm cop existence. The Hosts don't want the Mafia to have too much information, so they get a GF at the start whether or not there's a cop.

Man every piece of setup speculation you're doing is so bad

Don't call me bad, I get tilted super fast and then I get worse.
There's no need for a host to put in a GF when there is no investigative role. Can be a goon. Why would you actively mislead scum? In setups with cop/doc, it's even balance-wise important for mafia to know what's going on because they'll never be able to fake claim in a meaningful way if they don't know the setup.


Sigh, AS A HOST, and as the guy who does balance checks (sometimes) for new hosts, I give mafia a GF and advise giving Mafia GF even in games with no cop, it it's a closed setup. You make the experience identical whether there is or isn't a cop. This is like... I mean, come on man/

I'm not saying you're a bad player, but at least please trust my experience. I'm not saying there's definitely no cop; I'm saying the existence of a GF is independent of that fact.

I'm not saying you're a bad player, but just leave the setup speculation to me ok

This is a semi-open setup, not a closed setup.


JESUS CHRIST HOW ARE YOU SO DENSE

THE POINT IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE EXACT ROLE COUNTS AND SHIT, YOUR OBJECTION IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT

ALSO THIS IS SEMI-CLOSED NOT SEMI-OPEN

JUST STOP TALKING


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This game uses a semi-open setup.


Taken from the OP.



My god,

>----The point--->

----You---


like come on man, the you're arguing semantics because you're just so wrong about everything in setup speculation, just back the heck off and admit you were mistaken
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#1212
On June 07 2017 03:31 beentheredonethat wrote:
Just one question:

In a situation where a un-cc'ed cop claims a red-check on a player, do you lynch the un-cc'ed cop over the red-check because the un-cc'ed cop previously was scummier than his red-check?



That's exactly the question we're asking!

So we have someone who is SUPER SUPER scummy like Vivax, who 100% needs to be lynched. In his desperation, he claims a redcheck on the highly town HF. Who do we lynch?

That's a tough call. There's not an obvious answer. I think we lynch Vivax for a variety of reasons, but people can reasonably disagree on this.
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June 06 2017 18:34 GMT
#1215
On June 07 2017 03:32 beentheredonethat wrote:
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On June 07 2017 03:31 Blazinghand wrote:
actually you know what BTDT if it makes you feel better I concede the point on the NAMING of the setup type, but there's NOTHING that implies that automatically there must be a Cop if there is a GF. In fact, PM the host if you want and ask, "in setups with a GF, is it required by the rules there also is a cop" please give it a try

sweet mother of mercy

I'm not saying existence of cop is super confirmed. I'm saying it's likely that there is one given we have a GF. Your argument is "no, it's not likely, most of the time there is a gf in even if there is no cop".

We're not talking setup confirmation here. You're putting super weight on that one bit, my main point was "hey, you guys are lynching the un-cc'ed cop, that's not a good idea".


Look dude, a GF's existence is completely independent of whether or not there's a cop in this kind of setup. You're just wrong.

Now, we can talk about whether we should be lynching the super scummy guy who put in no effort and decided to toss out a fakeclaim at the start of D2, but like... come on bro
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June 06 2017 18:34 GMT
#1216
On June 07 2017 03:33 beentheredonethat wrote:
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On June 07 2017 03:31 beentheredonethat wrote:
Just one question:

In a situation where a un-cc'ed cop claims a red-check on a player, do you lynch the un-cc'ed cop over the red-check because the un-cc'ed cop previously was scummier than his red-check?



should I [big] and [b] this maybe


already replied to it...
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#1218
On June 07 2017 03:33 Holyflare wrote:
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On June 07 2017 03:26 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 07 2017 03:24 Holyflare wrote:
On June 07 2017 03:20 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 07 2017 03:17 Holyflare wrote:
On June 07 2017 03:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
honestly if we lynch vivax at this point and he flips cop are we even in a terrible spot? we lynch HF tomorrow which means we have 2 scum in 3 lynches, that seems pretty good for a worst case scenario

best case scenario is vivax is scum which is obv good, and lynching HF is bad because odds are vivax was going to be lynched at some point anyway

If he flips cop, we don't have a cop.
Next kill would then most likely be Tumblewood (if he's indeed doc) because doc would save the cop.
If all those claims are real, ofc.

If HF flips green, we can lynch a scum tomorrow. Which is super fine. We don't lose the cop.
I just don't understand how a sane person can prefer the un-cc'ed cop lynch over the claimed check lynch. Even if HF isn't scum, we get Vivax. In both cases it's a bit coinflippy but why the hell would you start with the potential cop and not with the potential scum?


Because if you're playing the same game you'd know vivax was bad fake claiming or mafia.

He even says in his post he's going to rescind.

Point me to that.

At the end of the day nothing anyone ever said matters again and you will all just lynch another random person again in some attack of herd mentality (which is the prime reason I'm not happy with this game). And don't tell me that lynching fidei wasn't random as hell cause you were all literally just looking for someone else to lynch other than TW except for 1gu who actually had some real arguments.

He seems to be all fucked up about the randomness of this game. And I can understand that: looking only at activity (not content), he's active and participating and gets scumread, while low-volume players that didn't contribute too hard to this game get a lot of cred because they yolo'd a lynch onto scum gf.

I can super understand his frustration and I don't understand why you call that "bad fake claiming or mafia".


We
Lynched
Mafia
And
He
Says
It's
Cos
Onegu
Made
Good
Points
And
Everyone
Sheeped
Onegu

So why is he mad at all that fidei, the mafia, got lynched based on content. It was 0% random AND UNAVOIDABLE BECAUSE THE MAIN WAGON CLAIMED BLUE.

He makes it out like he's pissed off from an unavoidable situation that he played no part in to help. Then he says at the end of the day after everyone picks a side in the cop battle we'll lynch someone random. Because he is going to rescind and say it's all a joke to make us flail like day 1.

I don't think you're making sense. And I think you're trying to talk me into lynching Vivax. I'm not gonna lynch into the un-cc'ed cop because his red-check told me to do so. It's super madness.

If he lied, he'll be lynched next day. If not, HF is scum. Supercool.


How does this not make sense to you. You said it makes sense that vivax is frustrated at the randomness. But what reason does he possibly have to be frustrated when he compliments onegu and said he had valid reasons to vote fidei? zero.

Then you say he's frustrated because fidei wasn't talked about but no shit, we didn't have time with Tumblewood claiming doctor. But fidei flipped mafia.

Why is vivax, the guy who doesn't like to play the game as mafia who had a not so bad start to the game, rage quitting when we kill a mafia super early? Because he was doing well, his team likely in a good spot and fidei "randomly" dies.

Bye bye motivation.


Yeah like in fact after the D1 flip I was relieved and happy. Why? Because I was town and like, this was a fuckin awesome D1. Vivax on the other hand seemed... angry? like why? lol
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#1220
On June 07 2017 03:35 beentheredonethat wrote:
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On June 07 2017 03:33 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 07 2017 03:31 beentheredonethat wrote:
Just one question:

In a situation where a un-cc'ed cop claims a red-check on a player, do you lynch the un-cc'ed cop over the red-check because the un-cc'ed cop previously was scummier than his red-check?



That's exactly the question we're asking!

So we have someone who is SUPER SUPER scummy like Vivax, who 100% needs to be lynched. In his desperation, he claims a redcheck on the highly town HF. Who do we lynch?

That's a tough call. There's not an obvious answer. I think we lynch Vivax for a variety of reasons, but people can reasonably disagree on this.

If there's no obvious answer, how are you actively pushing people into "lynch Vivax" instead of making them come to their own conclusions? I get that HF is doing that, he has no other way than doing that, but isn't it SUPER DUPER FISHY that there's absolutely NOONE coming in and saying (besides poor btdt who has probably the worst standing in this thread right after the claimed cop right now) "hey guys thefuck is going on"


I was trying to be a bit respectful to your side there. I'm saying: I understand why you may disagree with me. Please don't question me for trying to be nice.

Also BTDT I don't think you're the scummiest in the thread behind Vivax, not even close. I think it's unlikely to see Scum defending Vivax this uh, unique way.
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#1222
On June 07 2017 03:36 beentheredonethat wrote:
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On June 07 2017 03:33 Holyflare wrote:
On June 07 2017 03:26 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 07 2017 03:24 Holyflare wrote:
On June 07 2017 03:20 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 07 2017 03:17 Holyflare wrote:
On June 07 2017 03:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
honestly if we lynch vivax at this point and he flips cop are we even in a terrible spot? we lynch HF tomorrow which means we have 2 scum in 3 lynches, that seems pretty good for a worst case scenario

best case scenario is vivax is scum which is obv good, and lynching HF is bad because odds are vivax was going to be lynched at some point anyway

If he flips cop, we don't have a cop.
Next kill would then most likely be Tumblewood (if he's indeed doc) because doc would save the cop.
If all those claims are real, ofc.

If HF flips green, we can lynch a scum tomorrow. Which is super fine. We don't lose the cop.
I just don't understand how a sane person can prefer the un-cc'ed cop lynch over the claimed check lynch. Even if HF isn't scum, we get Vivax. In both cases it's a bit coinflippy but why the hell would you start with the potential cop and not with the potential scum?


Because if you're playing the same game you'd know vivax was bad fake claiming or mafia.

He even says in his post he's going to rescind.

Point me to that.

At the end of the day nothing anyone ever said matters again and you will all just lynch another random person again in some attack of herd mentality (which is the prime reason I'm not happy with this game). And don't tell me that lynching fidei wasn't random as hell cause you were all literally just looking for someone else to lynch other than TW except for 1gu who actually had some real arguments.

He seems to be all fucked up about the randomness of this game. And I can understand that: looking only at activity (not content), he's active and participating and gets scumread, while low-volume players that didn't contribute too hard to this game get a lot of cred because they yolo'd a lynch onto scum gf.

I can super understand his frustration and I don't understand why you call that "bad fake claiming or mafia".


We
Lynched
Mafia
And
He
Says
It's
Cos
Onegu
Made
Good
Points
And
Everyone
Sheeped
Onegu

So why is he mad at all that fidei, the mafia, got lynched based on content. It was 0% random AND UNAVOIDABLE BECAUSE THE MAIN WAGON CLAIMED BLUE.

He makes it out like he's pissed off from an unavoidable situation that he played no part in to help. Then he says at the end of the day after everyone picks a side in the cop battle we'll lynch someone random. Because he is going to rescind and say it's all a joke to make us flail like day 1.

I don't think you're making sense. And I think you're trying to talk me into lynching Vivax. I'm not gonna lynch into the un-cc'ed cop because his red-check told me to do so. It's super madness.

If he lied, he'll be lynched next day. If not, HF is scum. Supercool.


How does this not make sense to you. You said it makes sense that vivax is frustrated at the randomness. But what reason does he possibly have to be frustrated when he compliments onegu and said he had valid reasons to vote fidei? zero.

Then you say he's frustrated because fidei wasn't talked about but no shit, we didn't have time with Tumblewood claiming doctor. But fidei flipped mafia.

Why is vivax, the guy who doesn't like to play the game as mafia who had a not so bad start to the game, rage quitting when we kill a mafia super early? Because he was doing well, his team likely in a good spot and fidei "randomly" dies.

Bye bye motivation.

mumble mumble yeah makes sense

but I don't want to admit that this makes sense

lynching the fucking uncc'ed cop is plain bullshit


I mean to be fair, like I said, all things being equal, if HF and Vivax were equally scummy and Vivax claims a red check on HF, the correct move is to lynch HF first. I just don't think all things are equal.
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June 06 2017 18:38 GMT
#1225
On June 07 2017 03:36 Holyflare wrote:
Why does he fake claim today? He sees me calling him definitely mafia and would be lynched, he knows I'll fight a shit tonne and either you guys decide not to lynch the claims (dumb) and lives more cycles or i die and he's made a successful trade of taking out the biggest town voice.

If he rescinds it later then he has stalled conversation to just us two for a whole cycle. Perfect.


FWIW I imagine that if Vivax rescinds it he still gets lynched. We're 18 hours into D1 by now, and he's forced the convo to be about "Vivax vs HF" which... well, it's a very narrow conversation. If he rolls in like 3 hours before lynch and says "lol jk" we lynch him anyways. He knows this. You know this. We all know it. Tremendous. YUGE
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#1227
On June 07 2017 03:38 beentheredonethat wrote:
If Vivax rescinds his claim he's the lynch, no questions asked. At least from my side. Even if that's coming from town, it's super bad, stole a day, and potentially lost the game and should be punished.



Well.. IF he rescinds the claim AND we also 100% think he's town somehow, we don't lynch him. But this will never happen. If he rescinds the claim, I just can't see a motivation for that other than being Mafia.
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June 06 2017 18:40 GMT
#1230
On June 07 2017 03:39 beentheredonethat wrote:
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On June 04 2017 06:51 Vivax wrote:
I like Fidei's first post cause he reprimands me for forming certain reads he thinks I shouldn't have. I will say that they are preliminary reads based on the little content I had so I think that shows that he isn't suffering from TMI.
Fidei town for now.

HF town I think cause he isn't just yelling about any mistake someone may have made and extending the discussion about it into as much detail as he can to produce endless unproductive arguments. He seems really chill about his scumhunting and thinks he has something on TW. I can see where he's coming from cause imo that post looked overly emotional (if you wanna call it forced, call it forced) but I'm not that sure that it makes TW mafia as he is.

BTDT I'm atm conflicted on cause I don't think Grack played like this in generic. I feel like Grack has slowed down his posting even more than in the last game, and I'm surprised btdt doesn't see it the same way.
I like on the other hand that he's pointing out how PB is making easy posts by saying certain things in a contrived, overly worded way. But I also think that it's something a scum can easily point out esp. emphasizing that PB won a mafia game recently which reads to me like soft fearmongering. I prefer to remain inconclusive on btdt for now and watch more development between him ritoky and PB.

PB on the other hand calls out fidei for the lurker thingy, but says it's only scummy if it's not to move the game forward, which is a statement that cancels itself and ends up not really saying anything. He could ask fidei if that was his intention before explaining that if it was, he could ignore the argument, for example.
I like his idea of discussing how to find mafia early game actually and giving his own opinion on it cause it looks cute at best, pointless at worst and since it's what we are already doing I don't think that it needs to be laid out.
He doesn't latch onto someone instantly like last scum game but prefers a chill start instead so I remain conflicted on him as well.

HF also pointed out that he's asking for help on how to play and shouldn't be auto made out as scummy which looks like what btdt wants to do.

I think in this conversation btdt looks a bit too eager to push PBs post into a scummy light and comes out slightly worse of the two, although superficially, PB has more things you could construe as scummy quickly (and hence possibly qualifies as lynch bait)

Conversion post explaining his absence reads tonally super town explaining without a hint of nervousness why he's playing like he is. Feels safe to townpile for now.

Ritoky's case on btdt seems good and isn't overly adorned and gets straight to the point. Ritoky likey.

Grack has achieved a new dimension of mafia laziness but his latest read post ends up at something similar like where I am. Gonna see what he comes up with further. I maintain that he didn't try to do jack in early game and even less than last game where at least he actively constructed shit posts (like inserting wrong quotes on purpose).

LS and HFs arguments on LS I'm postponing atm. Also fideis new post doesn't end up where I am at all. I'ma stick around now instead of throwing walls of text at you. And BH?BH whatever, he has a star in his name and is the banlist fuhrer so should probably lynch just to be rebellious.

look at this

for someone who absolutely doesn't like to play scum (as painted), that's quite the effort to do.


It's a list post and therefore imo not a good contribution.

Also, like... I guess let me say this. After the D1 flip, I as a townie, felt energized and excited. Since we lynched a mafia I have been more engaged and eager to play this game. I think we can win this! it was a big morale boost.

How did Vivax react to that?
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June 06 2017 18:41 GMT
#1231
On June 07 2017 03:40 beentheredonethat wrote:
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On June 04 2017 07:32 Vivax wrote:
On June 04 2017 07:28 beentheredonethat wrote:
shame on everyone who scumreads me D1. Everyone should know by now that I'm simply bad at this game.


On June 04 2017 07:29 beentheredonethat wrote:
no I haven't read the last 3-4 pages in a serious manner

yes I'm going to bed now

no I'm not scum


This reads like real frustration. But no need to be frustrated btdt. Just keep doing your thing!

As scum, I'd just go full frontal "lol btdt you suck" but that's me

As town, I basically just did that :V
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#1240
Jeez I've kinda been a grouch to your btdt sorry

Gonna take a break then come back
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June 06 2017 19:21 GMT
#1260
On June 07 2017 03:50 beentheredonethat wrote:
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On June 07 2017 03:45 Blazinghand wrote:
Jeez I've kinda been a grouch to your btdt sorry

Gonna take a break then come back

Well everyone says I'm bad and TL mafia in general has a super toxic and "you're bad" tonality. So it's fine if you're grouchy.

Yeah sorry dude that's my bad I didn't mean to make this less fun for you. When I disagree with you or think you're wrong I shouldn't be a dick about it
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June 06 2017 19:30 GMT
#1264
The question isn't whether Vivax is playing anti town: he obviously is. The question is whether he's scum or not.
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#1265
On June 07 2017 04:30 Blazinghand wrote:
The question isn't whether Vivax is playing anti town: he obviously is. The question is whether he's scum or not.

Like the possibility of angry low effort cop or sabotaging malicious townie is real. I think scum makes most sense though
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June 06 2017 19:47 GMT
#1268
On June 07 2017 04:37 Holyflare wrote:
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On June 07 2017 04:19 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 07 2017 04:06 Holyflare wrote:
Like how are you even reading the same game?

You cannot write this and expect me to continue reading.

nah HF you have my vote as long as no counter claim happens.


You're saying we should lynch a town over a fake claiming town/mafia despite him posting absolutely nothing of meaningful content the entire game and has pretty much the opposite reads to 90% of the game even when evidence is presented that should alter his read.

Sorry that I'm not gonna let you idly kill me because you have some pre-conceived notion that we should always lynch the red check.

Ok I mean to be fair, it's not THAT unusual to lynch the red check. Many people have strong pre-conceived notion of "follow the cop" and it often works out quite well. We just happen to be in a potentially unusual situation where this is not necessarily the best strat.

And you know, even in the worst case here Holyflare, if you're town, we lynch you then we lynch Vivax, which still leaves us a lot of breathing room to go after the final scum. I suppose the REAL worst case scenario is that Vivax is in fact town but also is lying, so we lynch you, then we lynch HIM and there are two scum left and we have no cop. that would be hilarious. But I think that's unlikely.
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June 06 2017 19:50 GMT
#1269
On June 07 2017 04:45 Holyflare wrote:
No matter who you lynch it's always going to be a 1 for 1 trade but one of us is and has been producing meaningful content whereas the other one has afkd into oblivion and made the game a stale discussion.

I sure know who I'd like to keep around.


It's not ALWAYS going to be a 1 for 1 since you could concievably both be town (Vivax as the malicious townie or cop who checked me and got green and is faking a red on you) or you could both be scum (incredible bus attempt to end all bus attempts)
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June 06 2017 19:51 GMT
#1271
On June 07 2017 04:50 Holyflare wrote:
well I'm town soooooo


I mean don't worry about me HF, I'm all over Vivax, I think he's highly likely to be Mafia. I'm just saying, there are many possibilities. And you know as well as I do Vivax could be some kind of malicious town-aligned guy. I still think we gotta lynch him but them's the facts.
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June 06 2017 19:58 GMT
#1274
On June 07 2017 04:54 Grackaroni wrote:
lol why is Blazinghand getting triggered over the name of the setup type.


Basically I loathe setup speculation, but I have a particularly huge loathing for incorrect setup speculation. So pointing out that it's incorrect then having someone also point out incorrect setup names bothers me too.

Anyways Grack don't worry we'll get to you after we got Vivax brodooski
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June 06 2017 20:18 GMT
#1277
On June 07 2017 05:03 Grackaroni wrote:
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On June 07 2017 04:58 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 07 2017 04:54 Grackaroni wrote:
lol why is Blazinghand getting triggered over the name of the setup type.


Basically I loathe setup speculation, but I have a particularly huge loathing for incorrect setup speculation. So pointing out that it's incorrect then having someone also point out incorrect setup names bothers me too.

Anyways Grack don't worry we'll get to you after we got Vivax brodooski

That leaves me another 36 hours worth of shit posting.


That's the spirit!

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June 06 2017 20:39 GMT
#1282
On June 07 2017 05:22 Grackaroni wrote:
If we're absolutely lynching between Vivax and HF then I'm lynching HF.


I mean technically we could let them both live... but assuming Tumblewood is in fact the town doctor there's nothing stopping Mafia from either:

1. if Vivax is Cop, roleblocking him and shooting Tumblewood
2. if Vivax is Scum, pretending to roleblock him and shooting Tumblewood

So night actions won't lead us to get more cop results. If we want to lynch outside of Vivax+Hf (which we reasonably expect at least contains 1 scum and so is a decent shot) then we want to be sure of our targets.
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June 06 2017 20:42 GMT
#1283
On June 07 2017 05:35 Prison Break wrote:
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On June 07 2017 04:26 Prison Break wrote:
If Vivax flips scum I want to lynch Conversion

Any chance they'd both vote me yesterday? maybe trying to get my lynched over fidei

In that case I could maybe see btdt being town despite playing scummy, because he also wants to kill vivax here


wait this is bad

conversion wants vivax dead, and beentheredonethat wants HF dead

so beentheredonethat looks worse on a vivax=scum flip

also im most confident in vivax now cause he didnt retract, so voted him

really if its, say, 80% vivax scum 20% vivax cop and we lynch HF tomorrow, then im cool with that odds

I was just afraid of the possibility of it being town vs town which would be a terrible outcome


Yeah I am a tiny bit nervous about town vs town, but like 95%+ of the time that something like this happens, with a cop claim and a red check in a game with no framer or miller, it's not town vs town. There's no way this check was confused or anything; either Vivax is telling the truth and Hf is scum, or Vivax is lying and is therefore highly highly likely to be scum. Whatever you may say about Vivax, negative or positive, I don't think he or most people tbh would try to pull this as a VT or a cop who didn't actually have a check. I mean, maybe he'd briefly fakeclaim and pressure HF then back off and unclaim and continue to be active or something, but being afk for 24 hours, dropping the claim, then immediately going AFK again for another 24-48 hours is NOT the behavior of someone claiming to be provocative or to drive discourse. Vivax probably not a VT therefore.

On June 07 2017 05:29 Holyflare wrote:
it's kind of ironic vivax picked me in a way because it will fully bite him in the arse


TBH given his night statements the only believable "I checked this guy" options were you and me. I'm surprised he went after you and not me in a way though.
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#1289
On June 07 2017 06:01 Grackaroni wrote:
Here's the thing that I think people are overlooking:
Vivax was pretty annoyed even before we consolidated on Fidei.
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On June 05 2017 07:46 Vivax wrote:
HF is mafia obviously.

On June 05 2017 07:43 Tubesock wrote:
I'm contemplating a yolo vivax lynch.


you are awful

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On June 05 2017 07:49 Vivax wrote:
On June 05 2017 07:48 Tumblewood wrote:
On June 05 2017 07:45 Vivax wrote:
There's only one reason for BH to do nothing all game this openly: He's mafia.

HF finds meta game where he does nothing all D1, then claims cop.

Conclusion: BH does nothing as town when he's blue.

He did nothing this game so he's town or blue.
If he isn't the doctor, he is scum.
He isn't ccing doctor, so he is scum.

Put vote on BH, win gaem.

when people make constant arguments about someone not doing anything, the argument is always terrible


Yes what has TL come to that active engaged players want to lynch others for doing nothing.
Or is the issue that there are players doing nothing?

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On June 05 2017 07:51 Vivax wrote:
Sadly he's most likely town and isn't gifted with being able to read btdts emotional progression during D1.

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On June 05 2017 08:33 Vivax wrote:
On June 05 2017 08:30 Onegu wrote:
Im still reading.

Im on page 24 now. At this point in time my lynches would be fword dude and Vivax. BH if we wanted a coin flip but the fact that vivax wants him lynched is a point toward not lynching BH.


Thanks for your valuable input in the 20 minutes you've spent playing this game after puking out a post of shallow reads to keep up the appearance that you're actually here to play mafia. I'm sure your opinion is very informed and valuable.

On June 05 2017 08:22 Tubesock wrote:
##Unvote
Vote: Vivax


And this guy.
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On June 05 2017 08:40 Vivax wrote:
Chance to lynch BH, two guys avoid him for shit reasons and go to HF and another goes for PB instead.

Basically townies splitting all over my scumreads while tubesock is blatantly throwing his votes into the worst places possible. Kill me please.

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On June 05 2017 08:45 Vivax wrote:
On June 05 2017 08:43 Onegu wrote:
On June 05 2017 08:41 Vivax wrote:
On June 05 2017 08:40 Onegu wrote:
Now 100% serious question. Why are we not lynching Fword dude?


Cuz nobody cares about what you want.



Well played Vivax. Well played. You sir are a bundle of Joy.


Well you wanted to start with being a dick. And it's a 100% serious answer. I think you're town and I think you are super wrong and I'm pretty sure everyone else thinks that too so there's your answer. I didn't coat it in sugar cause you don't coat things in sugar either, and if I coated it in sugar you'd just eat it anyway before reading it.

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On June 05 2017 08:52 Vivax wrote:
On June 05 2017 08:30 Onegu wrote:
Im still reading.

Im on page 24 now. At this point in time my lynches would be fword dude and Vivax. BH if we wanted a coin flip but the fact that vivax wants him lynched is a point toward not lynching BH.


Vivax makes a shit post on why PB post was bad.


Calling my posts shit for no reason and suggesting that you should do the opposite of what my reads say.

Meanwhile never stating a single reason for me being mafia so just assuming you are here to lynch people at your own leisure and not to win the game.


So he's mad beforehand that people aren't killing BH for doing nothing, and then he finds out that his read on Fidei was bad and now people are scum reading him. He thinks that he was one of the only ones who put good reasoning and effort into his pushes this game and that other people just got rewarded for playing stupidly.

People that think this would be a good strategic play to try to trade 1 for 1 with HF are completely off the mark. Vivax was in a worse spot than he was yesterday but he was very far from the definite lynch today. I think he is legitimately angry and most of the time the angry player is just a butt-hurt townie.

(I also don't think he's mafia just because he has had a pretty similar thought process to me throughout the game and has backed up a lot of my reads.)


Butt hurt VT?
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#1290
On June 07 2017 06:02 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't either I think he's VT.


Ah!.

Hmm, you know, I don't think Vivax would do this as a VT. I get what you're saying that his lynch wasn't automatic today so as perfection rational scum maybe he wouldn't be this desperate. But by that same token, as a townie he shouldn't be as desperate anyways. And certainly I think Vivax is, for all his warts, not the kind of guy who likely would pull some bullshit like this as a VT. It's possible but I don't think it's likely.
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#1291
On June 07 2017 06:01 ritoky wrote:
i don't believe vivax's claim.


Because you think he's scum or because you think he's VT?
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#1296
On June 07 2017 06:19 Holyflare wrote:
I mean grack and btdt are making vivax town cases

sooooooooooooooooooo

lynch 'em boys


There's nothing wrong with discussing why vivax might be town Holyflare. I don't appreciate you trying to cause a chilling effect regarding this.
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#1300
On June 07 2017 06:27 Grackaroni wrote:
Something about you saying "all I know is Vivax is a fake cop!"

Seems reasonable to me right? Like OK who wants to fake being a cop with a red check? Hint: it's scum
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#1310
come on guys we're all in this together unless one of you is scum in which case you should PRETEND to be all in this together (((
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#1312
On June 07 2017 08:31 Vivax wrote:
My butthurt levels have gone down a bit, so I'll play sporadically and maybe (but I don't bank on it) stop you from doing something as monumentally dumb as lynching a cop with no cc.


Glad to see you're feeling better, Vivax. If you could possibly spare a moment for me, it would help convince me to potentially vote HF over you. You see, I'm eager to understand the events that lead up to this post:

On June 06 2017 12:53 Vivax wrote:
Morning.
I'm cop and redchecked HF (in spite of his BS vet claim at the end of the night).

Now what's going to happen is:

You're all going to go ham on whether cop and doc is likely in this setup.

Everyone will either vote HF or me as it should be.

At the end of the day nothing anyone ever said matters again and you will all just lynch another random person again in some attack of herd mentality (which is the prime reason I'm not happy with this game). And don't tell me that lynching fidei wasn't random as hell cause you were all literally just looking for someone else to lynch other than TW except for 1gu who actually had some real arguments.

Now I will park my vote on HF, and probably afk until the end of the day when I check in to see if he got lynched. I literally don't care who you vote, but it has to be one of us.



Overnight, you made a very small number of posts. You made a few just after the end of D1:

On June 05 2017 09:11 Vivax wrote:
He was green this is a bastard game

On June 05 2017 09:17 Vivax wrote:
Well I'm not mad cause BH is still mafia. If he is town I will be mad and bad, otherwise I feel no shame for defending fidei.

On June 05 2017 09:17 Vivax wrote:
So whoever wants to prove I'm bad has to lynch BH. 10/10 argument for lynching BH.


And one somewhat into the night:

On June 06 2017 05:42 Vivax wrote:
Yea well if you think I'm mafia for afking this game shoot me tonight cause I'm pulling a rayn and will be afk.
Just gonna vote when either of HF or BH gets lynched and make a token post during the day.


Could you tell me when you made the decision to check HF, and how you crumbed it? Also tell me a bit about the rationale you had for claiming cop today. Thanks man, hope you're feeling better, and I really appreciate you coming back to the thread. It's the right thing to do.
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#1314
On June 07 2017 08:56 Vivax wrote:
BH you can be friendly all you want but if you keep not having an opinion on HF with the evidence posted I don't feel the obligation to answer any of your questions.


Please Vivax, PLEASE it's so simple, it's so INTEGRAL to your claim, and you know it! you could have typed it out in the moment it took you to make that post. Come on man, work with me here, not because you're obligated to, but because it's the right thing to do. I can't MAKE you do anything, but if you're town we're on the same side here buddy. Just gimme this much, ok? It'll help!
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#1316
On June 07 2017 09:04 Vivax wrote:
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On June 07 2017 08:59 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 07 2017 08:56 Vivax wrote:
BH you can be friendly all you want but if you keep not having an opinion on HF with the evidence posted I don't feel the obligation to answer any of your questions.


Please Vivax, PLEASE it's so simple, it's so INTEGRAL to your claim, and you know it! you could have typed it out in the moment it took you to make that post. Come on man, work with me here, not because you're obligated to, but because it's the right thing to do. I can't MAKE you do anything, but if you're town we're on the same side here buddy. Just gimme this much, ok? It'll help!


1. I don't crumb.
2. I claim cause I found scum.

Now can you type out what makes you townread HF this game?


I really appreciate that reply and I know it wasn't easy for you. Could you also tell me what time you decided to check HF instead of me? Sorry again about the trouble. And, I know you're discussing things in good faith so I'll do so as well.

Why not lynch HF? Well, he's basically sounded tryhard, though yes, I know he could do this as Scum, he also called me a 50/50 early on which is pretty accurate (whereas he could have tried to defend me with a legit townread to look good after I flipped if lynched) given the info he had. Yeah, it's not a solid TR on him. But I like him and he's fun to play with, which influences me as well.

Really though, not gonna lie here Vivax I think it's a lot more a case of "jesus christ let's just get rid of this guy" when it comes to you. Up until about an hour ago I figured you were gonna AFK all day, and the way you reacted to the D1 lynch seemed at its core not to come from the mindset of a townie. On top of that, RNG, man, RNG. But also when I think about it, you know, the effort put forth from you was really bad. And if you make it a situation where like, either you or HF is scum, it's hard from the PoV of "HF is generally playing well and engaging people for the last 48 hours" and "Vivax has been really down and having trouble being involved, and seemed particularly upset that we lynched scum" to justify a vote on HF.

That being said, I can be convinced. But that's basically my reasoning. Like, even if you flip scum for example I don't think that absolves HF, he's a smooth operator. He's a good player. So are you, of course, but HF knows how to talk to talk. I think he could do this as scum, I even think he could do a double bus as scum and try to pull it off. I don't think it's likely you're both scum, but it's possible, and moreso than with like, a normal player.
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#1318
On June 07 2017 09:33 Vivax wrote:
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On June 07 2017 09:23 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 07 2017 09:04 Vivax wrote:
On June 07 2017 08:59 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 07 2017 08:56 Vivax wrote:
BH you can be friendly all you want but if you keep not having an opinion on HF with the evidence posted I don't feel the obligation to answer any of your questions.


Please Vivax, PLEASE it's so simple, it's so INTEGRAL to your claim, and you know it! you could have typed it out in the moment it took you to make that post. Come on man, work with me here, not because you're obligated to, but because it's the right thing to do. I can't MAKE you do anything, but if you're town we're on the same side here buddy. Just gimme this much, ok? It'll help!


1. I don't crumb.
2. I claim cause I found scum.

Now can you type out what makes you townread HF this game?


I really appreciate that reply and I know it wasn't easy for you. Could you also tell me what time you decided to check HF instead of me? Sorry again about the trouble. And, I know you're discussing things in good faith so I'll do so as well.

Why not lynch HF? Well, he's basically sounded tryhard, though yes, I know he could do this as Scum, he also called me a 50/50 early on which is pretty accurate (whereas he could have tried to defend me with a legit townread to look good after I flipped if lynched) given the info he had. Yeah, it's not a solid TR on him. But I like him and he's fun to play with, which influences me as well.

Really though, not gonna lie here Vivax I think it's a lot more a case of "jesus christ let's just get rid of this guy" when it comes to you. Up until about an hour ago I figured you were gonna AFK all day, and the way you reacted to the D1 lynch seemed at its core not to come from the mindset of a townie. On top of that, RNG, man, RNG. But also when I think about it, you know, the effort put forth from you was really bad. And if you make it a situation where like, either you or HF is scum, it's hard from the PoV of "HF is generally playing well and engaging people for the last 48 hours" and "Vivax has been really down and having trouble being involved, and seemed particularly upset that we lynched scum" to justify a vote on HF.

That being said, I can be convinced. But that's basically my reasoning. Like, even if you flip scum for example I don't think that absolves HF, he's a smooth operator. He's a good player. So are you, of course, but HF knows how to talk to talk. I think he could do this as scum, I even think he could do a double bus as scum and try to pull it off. I don't think it's likely you're both scum, but it's possible, and moreso than with like, a normal player.


Then plynch the cop and be open about it but don't pretend that you're an operator and someone calls 911 and instead of asking where the emergency is and what it is, you ask if it's not a prank and what your favourite ice cream flavour is. Cause "did you crumb" and "why are you claiming cop when you find mafia" are questions of that sort.


Ah sorry if I came off as overaggressive with those questions. And it's not a policy lynch of "the cop who has a red check on someone" because that's not the policy. In fact, if anything, the policy is to lynch the guy who there's a redcheck on. What's happening right now is a strong push against the policy, because of the unique circumstances.
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#1321
On June 07 2017 10:17 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2017 09:37 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 07 2017 09:33 Vivax wrote:
On June 07 2017 09:23 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 07 2017 09:04 Vivax wrote:
On June 07 2017 08:59 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 07 2017 08:56 Vivax wrote:
BH you can be friendly all you want but if you keep not having an opinion on HF with the evidence posted I don't feel the obligation to answer any of your questions.


Please Vivax, PLEASE it's so simple, it's so INTEGRAL to your claim, and you know it! you could have typed it out in the moment it took you to make that post. Come on man, work with me here, not because you're obligated to, but because it's the right thing to do. I can't MAKE you do anything, but if you're town we're on the same side here buddy. Just gimme this much, ok? It'll help!


1. I don't crumb.
2. I claim cause I found scum.

Now can you type out what makes you townread HF this game?


I really appreciate that reply and I know it wasn't easy for you. Could you also tell me what time you decided to check HF instead of me? Sorry again about the trouble. And, I know you're discussing things in good faith so I'll do so as well.

Why not lynch HF? Well, he's basically sounded tryhard, though yes, I know he could do this as Scum, he also called me a 50/50 early on which is pretty accurate (whereas he could have tried to defend me with a legit townread to look good after I flipped if lynched) given the info he had. Yeah, it's not a solid TR on him. But I like him and he's fun to play with, which influences me as well.

Really though, not gonna lie here Vivax I think it's a lot more a case of "jesus christ let's just get rid of this guy" when it comes to you. Up until about an hour ago I figured you were gonna AFK all day, and the way you reacted to the D1 lynch seemed at its core not to come from the mindset of a townie. On top of that, RNG, man, RNG. But also when I think about it, you know, the effort put forth from you was really bad. And if you make it a situation where like, either you or HF is scum, it's hard from the PoV of "HF is generally playing well and engaging people for the last 48 hours" and "Vivax has been really down and having trouble being involved, and seemed particularly upset that we lynched scum" to justify a vote on HF.

That being said, I can be convinced. But that's basically my reasoning. Like, even if you flip scum for example I don't think that absolves HF, he's a smooth operator. He's a good player. So are you, of course, but HF knows how to talk to talk. I think he could do this as scum, I even think he could do a double bus as scum and try to pull it off. I don't think it's likely you're both scum, but it's possible, and moreso than with like, a normal player.


Then plynch the cop and be open about it but don't pretend that you're an operator and someone calls 911 and instead of asking where the emergency is and what it is, you ask if it's not a prank and what your favourite ice cream flavour is. Cause "did you crumb" and "why are you claiming cop when you find mafia" are questions of that sort.


Ah sorry if I came off as overaggressive with those questions. And it's not a policy lynch of "the cop who has a red check on someone" because that's not the policy. In fact, if anything, the policy is to lynch the guy who there's a redcheck on. What's happening right now is a strong push against the policy, because of the unique circumstances.


You didn't come off as overaggressive you just come off as trying to generate irrelevant drivel as proven by your opinion not being affected by those questions at all. Cause the answer to those questions is proven 100% irrelevant to you considering this followup.

You and HF are 100% mafia.


???
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#1322
On June 07 2017 10:22 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2017 10:17 Vivax wrote:
On June 07 2017 09:37 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 07 2017 09:33 Vivax wrote:
On June 07 2017 09:23 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 07 2017 09:04 Vivax wrote:
On June 07 2017 08:59 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 07 2017 08:56 Vivax wrote:
BH you can be friendly all you want but if you keep not having an opinion on HF with the evidence posted I don't feel the obligation to answer any of your questions.


Please Vivax, PLEASE it's so simple, it's so INTEGRAL to your claim, and you know it! you could have typed it out in the moment it took you to make that post. Come on man, work with me here, not because you're obligated to, but because it's the right thing to do. I can't MAKE you do anything, but if you're town we're on the same side here buddy. Just gimme this much, ok? It'll help!


1. I don't crumb.
2. I claim cause I found scum.

Now can you type out what makes you townread HF this game?


I really appreciate that reply and I know it wasn't easy for you. Could you also tell me what time you decided to check HF instead of me? Sorry again about the trouble. And, I know you're discussing things in good faith so I'll do so as well.

Why not lynch HF? Well, he's basically sounded tryhard, though yes, I know he could do this as Scum, he also called me a 50/50 early on which is pretty accurate (whereas he could have tried to defend me with a legit townread to look good after I flipped if lynched) given the info he had. Yeah, it's not a solid TR on him. But I like him and he's fun to play with, which influences me as well.

Really though, not gonna lie here Vivax I think it's a lot more a case of "jesus christ let's just get rid of this guy" when it comes to you. Up until about an hour ago I figured you were gonna AFK all day, and the way you reacted to the D1 lynch seemed at its core not to come from the mindset of a townie. On top of that, RNG, man, RNG. But also when I think about it, you know, the effort put forth from you was really bad. And if you make it a situation where like, either you or HF is scum, it's hard from the PoV of "HF is generally playing well and engaging people for the last 48 hours" and "Vivax has been really down and having trouble being involved, and seemed particularly upset that we lynched scum" to justify a vote on HF.

That being said, I can be convinced. But that's basically my reasoning. Like, even if you flip scum for example I don't think that absolves HF, he's a smooth operator. He's a good player. So are you, of course, but HF knows how to talk to talk. I think he could do this as scum, I even think he could do a double bus as scum and try to pull it off. I don't think it's likely you're both scum, but it's possible, and moreso than with like, a normal player.


Then plynch the cop and be open about it but don't pretend that you're an operator and someone calls 911 and instead of asking where the emergency is and what it is, you ask if it's not a prank and what your favourite ice cream flavour is. Cause "did you crumb" and "why are you claiming cop when you find mafia" are questions of that sort.


Ah sorry if I came off as overaggressive with those questions. And it's not a policy lynch of "the cop who has a red check on someone" because that's not the policy. In fact, if anything, the policy is to lynch the guy who there's a redcheck on. What's happening right now is a strong push against the policy, because of the unique circumstances.


You didn't come off as overaggressive you just come off as trying to generate irrelevant drivel as proven by your opinion not being affected by those questions at all. Cause the answer to those questions is proven 100% irrelevant to you considering this followup.

You and HF are 100% mafia.


???


Like shit man I'm not the one who forced you to give irrelevant answers, act scummy, or receive a scum Role PM from the host, don't put that on me kiddo
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#1324
good night
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#1326
Sigh
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#1327
Look Vivax, just because the answers you gave were not convincing to me and I'm not instantly falling to my knees and proclaiming you're glorious town doesn't mean i'm automatically evil scum trying to be evil. I'm trying to be as gentle as possible here because I want you to stick around, so yes, I'm going to act more open-minded even if it'll take you some decent work to convince me.

It's like, how much do I need to bend and scrape and lick your feet in order to get you to engage? Is it possible, maybe just a teeny tiny bit possible, that I want you to stay here in thread after your 48 hour absence since you're really important? Yes. And apparently no level of obeisance is enough for Vivax, not unless you fling yourself to the ground before him in fealty
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#1328
Sorry Your Highness Vivax should I fetch grapes for you? Should I chew your food for you before you eat? Lay down on the ground for you to talk on me so you don't have to dirty your feet? Please, tell me what I could do that would satisfy you so you could not abandon us for another 48 hours
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#1330
On June 07 2017 10:49 Vivax wrote:
Quite simply BH, how would the answer to whether I crumb or not or why I claim or not change anything related to your vote?
What for example would have been the answer that would have made you throw away all your reasons for scumreading me? Is there such a thing? If not, you are mafia. If there is, you will not have any trouble answering this question.


Well, basically Vivax you want to know the truth of why I asked that question? I wanted you to admit you had no crumb. I wanted YOU to say it. And we both know that's what it's about, and that's why you didn't initially answer. I wanted you to admit it, that there was not even the barest shred of evidence you were the cop.

And you did.
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#1331
I mean like, if you had been active N1 etc and had a good crumb this would actually be evidence. But I knew you didn't have one. And you dodged admitting it as long as you could till it was obvious you had to. Get rekt

If there was nothing you could say to convince me, that's on you buddy, that's on your OWN failings. And now that you've admitted it, there's no takesy-backsies. oh hoh hoh
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#1332
I'm gonna be glad to see you dead, Vivax. Oh it's gonna be great. Oh yes. You can't stop it now. Even with your fakeclaim. Get mad, Vivax, Get mad and call me scum, DO IT. Make it your DYING WISH that town lynch me if you flip town. Curse my name! Hate me! Hate me and die hating me! Rage and cower and post all you want... I like the way you die, boy.
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#1333
mmm, take a look at that:


Day Two Vote Count

Vivax (6): Tubesock, Holyflare, Blazinghand, Conversion, Prision Break, ritoky, Tumblewood
Holyflare (2): Vivax, beentheredonethat
ritoky (1): Grackaroni
Grackaroni (0): ritoky
beentheredonethat (0): Prison Break
Tumblewood (0): LightningStrike

Not Voting (2): Tubesock, LightningStrike

Vivax is currently set to be lynched.

The cycle ends in on Thursday, Jun 08 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)



That's 6 votes on you, Vivax, and only two on HF (one of which is your own. You think LS and Grack and Tube are all going to listen to you and jump on HF? Unlikely, but even if they do, you need to convince another person, and you're not gonna.

You dead, son. You dead. And you can blame me for that. I could unvote you at any time but I won't. Sure, RNG picked you and you're suspicious and everyone wants to kill you and you're probably scum, but at the same time, I can't wait for you to be dead, dead and cursing me and not allowed to post.

Get lynched son
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June 07 2017 01:57 GMT
#1335
Oh, this is going to be so sweet. Go on, Vivax, ask for people's help. I want to see you squirm.
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June 07 2017 01:58 GMT
#1336
Look, Grack is here, why don't you try to convince him. Go on, I'll watch >:D
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June 07 2017 02:11 GMT
#1338
On June 07 2017 11:06 Vivax wrote:
There will be no squirming just incessant repeating of why you and HF are mafia.


Ah, defiant are we? well, you won't be able to repeat it soon... soon... you will be dead! And there's nothing you can do about it! Not one thing!
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June 07 2017 06:48 GMT
#1353
On June 07 2017 15:41 Vivax wrote:
Wow HF you did the only single thing you can be called town for after fakeclaiming another thing you aren't. I rescind.


...


On June 07 2017 15:44 Holyflare wrote:
I also rescind. Die mother fucker

You got BAITED SO HARD.



LOL NICE
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June 07 2017 06:48 GMT
#1354
On June 07 2017 15:47 Holyflare wrote:
You shut down discussion for an entire cycle. You held the game hostage after lynching mafia for no reason other than to bait out a blue cc. You're dead, my friend.

Endorsed
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June 07 2017 06:56 GMT
#1359
On June 07 2017 15:49 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2017 06:22 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 07 2017 06:19 Holyflare wrote:
I mean grack and btdt are making vivax town cases

sooooooooooooooooooo

lynch 'em boys

lol ok.

Don't come running back to me after I get proven right again with some Grack TMI bullshit over something this blatant.

For posterity.

Unless he's scum. Then I'll just bury this and blame it on Blazinghand.


If he's scum I'm gonna trumpet RNG for eva
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June 07 2017 06:56 GMT
#1360
On June 07 2017 15:55 Holyflare wrote:
I can't believe you rescinded so easily really. That's bad. Go sit in your grumpy hovel.


TBH it was kinda hilarious how quickly he folded to your non-specific claim.
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June 07 2017 06:57 GMT
#1362
On June 07 2017 15:57 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2017 15:56 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 07 2017 15:49 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 07 2017 06:22 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 07 2017 06:19 Holyflare wrote:
I mean grack and btdt are making vivax town cases

sooooooooooooooooooo

lynch 'em boys

lol ok.

Don't come running back to me after I get proven right again with some Grack TMI bullshit over something this blatant.

For posterity.

Unless he's scum. Then I'll just bury this and blame it on Blazinghand.


If he's scum I'm gonna trumpet RNG for eva

You're going to do that anyway.


Ok but i'm gonna be a LOT more annoying about it if Vivax is actually scum; you gotta admit this at least
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June 07 2017 07:10 GMT
#1365
On June 07 2017 15:59 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2017 15:57 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 07 2017 15:57 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 07 2017 15:56 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 07 2017 15:49 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 07 2017 06:22 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 07 2017 06:19 Holyflare wrote:
I mean grack and btdt are making vivax town cases

sooooooooooooooooooo

lynch 'em boys

lol ok.

Don't come running back to me after I get proven right again with some Grack TMI bullshit over something this blatant.

For posterity.

Unless he's scum. Then I'll just bury this and blame it on Blazinghand.


If he's scum I'm gonna trumpet RNG for eva

You're going to do that anyway.


Ok but i'm gonna be a LOT more annoying about it if Vivax is actually scum; you gotta admit this at least

Lol remember we lost a game once because we didn't follow an RNG on Disfo.


um, no?
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June 07 2017 07:12 GMT
#1367
Yeah ok grack just checking through my RNG records i'm reasonably certain you're wrong. Maybe someone else using the same modulo on post count like what I do to get Vivax this game got it? Here's what I have written down, though maybe I missed one.

Blazinghand's RNGs

In thug lyfe (2013): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/429897-thug-life-mini-mafia
Koshi and I semi jointly RNGed WaveofShadow in the first use of modulo on post count as far as I know

TL Mafia LXIII (2013): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/434275-tl-mafia-lxiii-time-to-die?page=61#1202
I RNGed vayneauthority

Golden Sun The Lost Age Mafia (2014): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=16#306
I RNGed OdinofPergo

Noir Mini (2014): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461330-noir-mini-mafia-chapter-2?page=5#87
I RNGed iamrobik

Fantasy Football (2014): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?page=10#197
I RNGed ObviousOne

Hearthstone (2014): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=29#578
I RNGed GlowingBear

VII Titanic Mini (2015): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?page=14#265
I RNGed vayneauthority, hilariously this guy has been hit twice by RNG

Kinda Vanilla Mini (2015): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/496215-mini-mafia-the-kinda-vanilla-experience?page=10#199
I RNGed raynpelikoneet


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June 07 2017 07:25 GMT
#1375
On June 07 2017 16:19 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2017 16:18 Vivax wrote:
On June 07 2017 16:14 Holyflare wrote:
On June 07 2017 16:03 Vivax wrote:
HF are you 100 % on me being mafia?


You forfeit your right to be town when you did this. I don't care to lynch anyone else. You haven't even reevaluated anything since you rescinded.

I thought you might be town possibly initially (which i referenced a few times) but now you blatantly wanted to out blues instead. You weren't going to rescind unless a blue claimed.

Die.


I actually made it clear that there are no other blues besides TW: So that's the most pro town thing I did today as nobody can ever fakeclaim anything this game.


You're just lucky that town doesn't take the free chance to lynch scumflare. What is this going to be? Your sixth scum game in a row or something?



????? AND THEN YOU RESCINDED AND CALLED ME TOWN FOR CLAIMING BLUE LOL

LOL

LOL


This is also my interpretations of what Vivax did. He drew out the Holyflare claim then rescinded. It fits a couple possible motives:

1. Vivax is scum and figured, "ah, now scum knows the identity of two blues, maybe i should try to focus on staying alive now, since Holyflare as a blue is untouchable and i've learned all I can" or maybe just panicked since he knew his own claim was fake
2. Vivax is town and was fakeclaiming cop because he was okay making a trash move like that. Then, he realized the depth of his error when Holyflare claimed blue and doesn't want to mislynch or die, so he backed off. Maybe he is the cop but is fakeclaiming a red check on Holyflare and realized his mistake, and doesn't want HF to die after he flips
3. There is no world in which Vivax is the cop with a red check on Holyflare.

All this of course is only talking about Vivax's motives in the time between Holyflare claiming and unclaiming

By the way, Vivax, in the unlikely event you are town, I want you to know that this was some pretty fucked up play man. That being said, I have respect for you so you must be doing this as scum. Town Vivax wouldn't do this, unless he is a trash player, which he isn't.
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June 07 2017 07:26 GMT
#1377
On June 07 2017 16:22 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2017 16:19 Holyflare wrote:
On June 07 2017 16:18 Vivax wrote:
On June 07 2017 16:14 Holyflare wrote:
On June 07 2017 16:03 Vivax wrote:
HF are you 100 % on me being mafia?


You forfeit your right to be town when you did this. I don't care to lynch anyone else. You haven't even reevaluated anything since you rescinded.

I thought you might be town possibly initially (which i referenced a few times) but now you blatantly wanted to out blues instead. You weren't going to rescind unless a blue claimed.

Die.


I actually made it clear that there are no other blues besides TW: So that's the most pro town thing I did today as nobody can ever fakeclaim anything this game.


You're just lucky that town doesn't take the free chance to lynch scumflare. What is this going to be? Your sixth scum game in a row or something?



????? AND THEN YOU RESCINDED AND CALLED ME TOWN FOR CLAIMING BLUE LOL

LOL

LOL


That was the only condition under which I would rescind yes. Since now you admitted to not being blue, I can safely conclude that TW is the only blue in this game.

No more fakeclaimerinos for you this game. And the dramatic capslock doesn't suit you.


So to be clear, at this very moment, you admit you fakeclaimed cop and a red check on Holyflare?
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June 07 2017 07:27 GMT
#1378
On June 07 2017 16:26 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2017 16:22 Vivax wrote:
On June 07 2017 16:19 Holyflare wrote:
On June 07 2017 16:18 Vivax wrote:
On June 07 2017 16:14 Holyflare wrote:
On June 07 2017 16:03 Vivax wrote:
HF are you 100 % on me being mafia?


You forfeit your right to be town when you did this. I don't care to lynch anyone else. You haven't even reevaluated anything since you rescinded.

I thought you might be town possibly initially (which i referenced a few times) but now you blatantly wanted to out blues instead. You weren't going to rescind unless a blue claimed.

Die.


I actually made it clear that there are no other blues besides TW: So that's the most pro town thing I did today as nobody can ever fakeclaim anything this game.


You're just lucky that town doesn't take the free chance to lynch scumflare. What is this going to be? Your sixth scum game in a row or something?



????? AND THEN YOU RESCINDED AND CALLED ME TOWN FOR CLAIMING BLUE LOL

LOL

LOL


That was the only condition under which I would rescind yes. Since now you admitted to not being blue, I can safely conclude that TW is the only blue in this game.

No more fakeclaimerinos for you this game. And the dramatic capslock doesn't suit you.


So to be clear, at this very moment, you admit you fakeclaimed cop and a red check on Holyflare?


Like this is exactly what you admitted earlier when you rescinded. But are you still holding this position now?
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June 07 2017 07:32 GMT
#1382
On June 07 2017 16:32 Vivax wrote:
Legacy is lynch HF and BH, contrary to the rest of this game I don't forget what I said during the game to yolo lynch something else entirely.


ok but this won us a lynch d1
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June 07 2017 07:37 GMT
#1385
On June 07 2017 16:36 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2017 16:32 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 07 2017 16:32 Vivax wrote:
Legacy is lynch HF and BH, contrary to the rest of this game I don't forget what I said during the game to yolo lynch something else entirely.


ok but this won us a lynch d1


Well when either of you flips mafia that's going to put things into perspective.
Right now you are able to smack talk.


lol well guess what in about 18 hours you're not gonna be able to talk at all Vivax so chatter away boyo

Like your play as scum this game was decent, but not amazing. you still got caught D2. And if you think you flipping scum means we will give Holyflare a pass, guess again. I'll be watching him like a hawk. I know this kinda stuff isn't beyond you two.
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June 07 2017 07:38 GMT
#1386
On June 07 2017 16:37 Vivax wrote:
And for those who don't know, HF did the same play as town at LYLO or something and lost the game right there so try to think about that when you revisit his attitude today.


so HF did this as town at LYLO... therefore... he's .... scum?
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June 07 2017 08:11 GMT
#1406
On June 07 2017 16:50 Grackaroni wrote:
If you weren't killing Vivax who would you kill?

I know you probably haven't been looking at filters recently with the claim thing happening.


If I weren't voting Vivax or HF, it would be because I think Vivax fakeclaimed as a townie a red check on HF who is also townie.

The people to look for would be people who KNEW this was the case and were setting themselves up to look good and guarantee mislynches knowing that this is town-on-town.

In the situation of "Vivax is town and fakeclaiming a redcheck on town", Mafia know EXACTLY what is happening; they know the claim is fake after all since they are the Mafia. This means they have some idea of how things might play out.

So, they know that either HF or Vivax likely gets lynched, unless Vivax backs down. If Vivax is a VT, it's preferable to lynch HF first (since if Vivax flips VT, there's no followup lynch on HF; if HF flips VT, there IS a follow-up lynch on Vivax) so scum gets 2 mislynches, not one. So, what Scum wants to do is get HF lynched in the event that Vivax and HF are both town.

On top of that, scum know Vivax is faking, so they think he might back down. In the event he does, they want to still secure a mislynch. So, they make statements like this: "if Vivax rescinds, he is 100% scum and we kill him for sure, no questioning it" so that if Vivax unforces the dichotomy, scum still gets a mislynch. Now, Vivax was highly suspicious and got a lot of votes on him, so Scum probably couldn't safely vote Hf.


So, if I think vivax and HF are both town hypothetically here, Grack, the most suspicious people are people who:

A) initially voted HF or were reluctant to vote Vivax
B) said they would 100% vote Vivax if he rescinded

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June 07 2017 08:15 GMT
#1409
On June 07 2017 17:11 Blazinghand wrote:
So, if I think vivax and HF are both town hypothetically here, Grack, the most suspicious people are people who:

A) initially voted HF or were reluctant to vote Vivax
B) said they would 100% vote Vivax if he rescinded



By the way, this describes TO THE DOT what tubesock has been doing today:

On June 06 2017 16:08 Tubesock wrote:
basically, we lynch HF unless Vivax rescinds then lynch Vivax. HF flips mafia we celebrate or lynch Vivax after. If we decide to lynch Vivax first, and he is cop then we just gave mafia a free nightkill.

So, basically now we can just talk about who is the last mafia.


Note that he wants to lynch HF, but never VOTES HF. due tot he pressure. He wants to kill both HF AND Vivax though. He also wants to lynch Vivax first if and only if Vivax recants.

I'm not saying Tubesock is scum, but in my opinion if you think both Vivax and HF are town, Tubesock should be your #1 scumread.
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June 07 2017 08:16 GMT
#1411
On June 07 2017 17:15 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2017 17:11 Blazinghand wrote:
So, if I think vivax and HF are both town hypothetically here, Grack, the most suspicious people are people who:

A) initially voted HF or were reluctant to vote Vivax
B) said they would 100% vote Vivax if he rescinded



By the way, this describes TO THE DOT what tubesock has been doing today:

Show nested quote +
On June 06 2017 16:08 Tubesock wrote:
basically, we lynch HF unless Vivax rescinds then lynch Vivax. HF flips mafia we celebrate or lynch Vivax after. If we decide to lynch Vivax first, and he is cop then we just gave mafia a free nightkill.

So, basically now we can just talk about who is the last mafia.


Note that he wants to lynch HF, but never VOTES HF. due tot he pressure. He wants to kill both HF AND Vivax though. He also wants to lynch Vivax first if and only if Vivax recants.

I'm not saying Tubesock is scum, but in my opinion if you think both Vivax and HF are town, Tubesock should be your #1 scumread.


Oh god I'm so good at this game, at remembering things and analyzing things, I forgot how great this feels, it's so good, damn. even this hypothetical stuff feels great, I love stretching my mental legs
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June 07 2017 08:18 GMT
#1417
On June 07 2017 17:15 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2017 17:15 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 07 2017 17:11 Blazinghand wrote:
So, if I think vivax and HF are both town hypothetically here, Grack, the most suspicious people are people who:

A) initially voted HF or were reluctant to vote Vivax
B) said they would 100% vote Vivax if he rescinded



By the way, this describes TO THE DOT what tubesock has been doing today:

On June 06 2017 16:08 Tubesock wrote:
basically, we lynch HF unless Vivax rescinds then lynch Vivax. HF flips mafia we celebrate or lynch Vivax after. If we decide to lynch Vivax first, and he is cop then we just gave mafia a free nightkill.

So, basically now we can just talk about who is the last mafia.


Note that he wants to lynch HF, but never VOTES HF. due tot he pressure. He wants to kill both HF AND Vivax though. He also wants to lynch Vivax first if and only if Vivax recants.

I'm not saying Tubesock is scum, but in my opinion if you think both Vivax and HF are town, Tubesock should be your #1 scumread.


So in your opinion, TS is the dumbest mafia on earth.

OK bh


Look, I actually still think you're scum so this isn't a problem. But think about it this way. The analysis I just made? Nobody was thinking about it until I made it. At the time Tube was pushing his shit nobody cared about that (except me who called it out as bullshit). But in the event you and HF are both town, and yes, I'm aware you think this is impossible or something, but in that event: scum want HF to go down first. This is obvious. If he flips town (and I know, you think this is unlikely) you're DEFINITELY flipping next. That's two mislynches for scum in this hypothetical. At the same time, it's hard to push this because you're scummy and Hf is townie. And you might recant, remember, all day Mafia has known your claim is fake in this hypothetical because they know Hf returns green to checks. So, they wanna be prepped for that angle to.

Tubesock's posts sounds perfectly reasonable and nobody would question it and it would cause 1, maybe 2 mislynches in that hypothetical where both you and HF are town. If you don't agree, you're just wrong.
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June 07 2017 08:21 GMT
#1423
On June 07 2017 17:16 Holyflare wrote:
Why is it dumb? I think sometimes ppl can't help with their tmi.


yep, not dumb

On June 07 2017 17:19 Holyflare wrote:
Nobody was thinking about it?


Well, not as well as I do at least >:D

On June 07 2017 17:20 Grackaroni wrote:
I think your analysis about Tubesock is fine actually. I just found that quote funny.

I'm inclined to believe that scum would want to lynch afk Vivax rather than go against sentiment to try to kill active HF.


yeah that's why tubesock never actually voted
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#1426
On June 07 2017 17:22 Vivax wrote:
ITT: Scum Vivax escaping another lynch after doing dumb shit.

I have already poisoned your minds


I aint unvoting you boy
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#1428
Hesitance to go after Vivax first:

On June 07 2017 03:35 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2017 03:33 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 07 2017 03:31 beentheredonethat wrote:
Just one question:

In a situation where a un-cc'ed cop claims a red-check on a player, do you lynch the un-cc'ed cop over the red-check because the un-cc'ed cop previously was scummier than his red-check?



That's exactly the question we're asking!

So we have someone who is SUPER SUPER scummy like Vivax, who 100% needs to be lynched. In his desperation, he claims a redcheck on the highly town HF. Who do we lynch?

That's a tough call. There's not an obvious answer. I think we lynch Vivax for a variety of reasons, but people can reasonably disagree on this.

If there's no obvious answer, how are you actively pushing people into "lynch Vivax" instead of making them come to their own conclusions? I get that HF is doing that, he has no other way than doing that, but isn't it SUPER DUPER FISHY that there's absolutely NOONE coming in and saying (besides poor btdt who has probably the worst standing in this thread right after the claimed cop right now) "hey guys thefuck is going on"


On June 07 2017 03:36 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2017 03:33 Holyflare wrote:
On June 07 2017 03:26 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 07 2017 03:24 Holyflare wrote:
On June 07 2017 03:20 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 07 2017 03:17 Holyflare wrote:
On June 07 2017 03:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
honestly if we lynch vivax at this point and he flips cop are we even in a terrible spot? we lynch HF tomorrow which means we have 2 scum in 3 lynches, that seems pretty good for a worst case scenario

best case scenario is vivax is scum which is obv good, and lynching HF is bad because odds are vivax was going to be lynched at some point anyway

If he flips cop, we don't have a cop.
Next kill would then most likely be Tumblewood (if he's indeed doc) because doc would save the cop.
If all those claims are real, ofc.

If HF flips green, we can lynch a scum tomorrow. Which is super fine. We don't lose the cop.
I just don't understand how a sane person can prefer the un-cc'ed cop lynch over the claimed check lynch. Even if HF isn't scum, we get Vivax. In both cases it's a bit coinflippy but why the hell would you start with the potential cop and not with the potential scum?


Because if you're playing the same game you'd know vivax was bad fake claiming or mafia.

He even says in his post he's going to rescind.

Point me to that.

At the end of the day nothing anyone ever said matters again and you will all just lynch another random person again in some attack of herd mentality (which is the prime reason I'm not happy with this game). And don't tell me that lynching fidei wasn't random as hell cause you were all literally just looking for someone else to lynch other than TW except for 1gu who actually had some real arguments.

He seems to be all fucked up about the randomness of this game. And I can understand that: looking only at activity (not content), he's active and participating and gets scumread, while low-volume players that didn't contribute too hard to this game get a lot of cred because they yolo'd a lynch onto scum gf.

I can super understand his frustration and I don't understand why you call that "bad fake claiming or mafia".


We
Lynched
Mafia
And
He
Says
It's
Cos
Onegu
Made
Good
Points
And
Everyone
Sheeped
Onegu

So why is he mad at all that fidei, the mafia, got lynched based on content. It was 0% random AND UNAVOIDABLE BECAUSE THE MAIN WAGON CLAIMED BLUE.

He makes it out like he's pissed off from an unavoidable situation that he played no part in to help. Then he says at the end of the day after everyone picks a side in the cop battle we'll lynch someone random. Because he is going to rescind and say it's all a joke to make us flail like day 1.

I don't think you're making sense. And I think you're trying to talk me into lynching Vivax. I'm not gonna lynch into the un-cc'ed cop because his red-check told me to do so. It's super madness.

If he lied, he'll be lynched next day. If not, HF is scum. Supercool.


How does this not make sense to you. You said it makes sense that vivax is frustrated at the randomness. But what reason does he possibly have to be frustrated when he compliments onegu and said he had valid reasons to vote fidei? zero.

Then you say he's frustrated because fidei wasn't talked about but no shit, we didn't have time with Tumblewood claiming doctor. But fidei flipped mafia.

Why is vivax, the guy who doesn't like to play the game as mafia who had a not so bad start to the game, rage quitting when we kill a mafia super early? Because he was doing well, his team likely in a good spot and fidei "randomly" dies.

Bye bye motivation.

mumble mumble yeah makes sense

but I don't want to admit that this makes sense

lynching the fucking uncc'ed cop is plain bullshit


Bloodthirsty for Vivax if he rescinds:

On June 07 2017 03:38 beentheredonethat wrote:
If Vivax rescinds his claim he's the lynch, no questions asked. At least from my side. Even if that's coming from town, it's super bad, stole a day, and potentially lost the game and should be punished.




Same pattern as Tubesock.


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#1430
OK so basically Holyflare I think we're onto something here in terms of, there being two players who said the same thing and did the same thing, following this pattern, where they:

A) initially voted HF or were reluctant to vote Vivax
B) said they would 100% vote Vivax if he rescinded[/quote]

These players are Tubesock and BTDT. In the event that both you and Vivax are town, these are definitely the top two scum candidates.
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#1433
On June 07 2017 17:28 Holyflare wrote:
Now, BH, remember your cop and GF argument with BTDT?

He argues there has to be a cop because why fake claim and also there's a GF. Mafia btdt thinks there's a cop and tries to get us to lynch me, so that I'll flip green and the cop dies after. He's thinking vivax might fake his check and get us both lynched.

If Vivax is town.

Looking like a plausible scenario tbh. Btdt is super off point this game.


Ugh, so the issue here is that it all hinges on Vivax being town. Vivax, if he's town, is playing SO BADLY. If he's town, we're winning this game in SPITE of him, not because of his contributions (post-D1). I really can't understand his play as town unless it's purely emotion-driven and not at all driven at trying to find the truth. People are SOMETIMES like this as town but... to the point of FAKECLAIMING as COP? the issue here at its core is "is Vivax town" because if he's scum we just take him out as we're doing but... jeez man.
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#1434
On June 07 2017 17:31 Holyflare wrote:
I don't care, vivax dies. This play should never be allowed to pay off.


OK I get that this play shouldn't be allowed to pay off. We do have a spare lynch or two, and there's nothing wrong with taking out Vivax first, except, what if my analysis is off and these kids are innocent. There are like, actual reasons to want to lynch the guy who's not claiming cop first in this scenario (HF) over the claimed cop. And if the cop unclaims, he's definitely not the cop basically. It's not like their reasons make literally zero sense. They're just highly suspicious if Vivax is town and so are you.

On June 07 2017 17:29 Grackaroni wrote:
I will 100% vouch for Vivax. I feel strongly that he is not mafia.

Yeah Grack the issue is in the world in which Vivax is scum i'm not feeling so up and up on you, so i'll need the actual reasoning if you have it (other than gut feeling)
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#1437
On June 07 2017 17:35 Holyflare wrote:
And why am i suspicious if vivax is town? Nothing has changed.


TBH Holyflare I'm suspicious of you even if Vivax is Mafia LOL. But this is because I have respect for your play; I think as scum you can come off as amiable and generally right about things, and you're capable of big plays. So if we lynch Vivax today and he flips scum I still have my eye on you; same holds true if he flips VT.
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#1438
On June 07 2017 17:36 Holyflare wrote:
It's not even like we're determining a lynch now. We have a million hours for them to fight their corner and us to throw accusations at them. So who cares if you're wrong now in a hypothetical now situation?


Yeah I mean I guess we just gotta take out Vivax today not matter what because in my view there is a good chance he is scum. If he IS town though I prefer not to lynch him, because my goal is to lynch scum. I don't care about allowing strategies or what is good or bad, lynching scum is preferable to lynching town. I'm not sure there's anything that could convince me not to lynch Vivax though we'll see what grack has to say.
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#1439
Well, I'm gonna turn in for the night. I wasn't necessarily expecting it, but i'm actually having loads of fun in this game!
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#1447
On June 07 2017 17:56 beentheredonethat wrote:
holy maccaroni BH and HF

I'm ded already
I kinda wanna flip right now so I don't have another 72 hours or so of having to read how bad/scummy I am for defending a un-cc'ed claim


On June 07 2017 17:33 Blazinghand wrote:
There are like, actual reasons to want to lynch the guy who's not claiming cop first in this scenario (HF) over the claimed cop. And if the cop unclaims, he's definitely not the cop basically. It's not like their reasons make literally zero sense.


^--- see that?

Ok

anyways ignore all taht speculation btdt tell me ur thoughts on hf and viv
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#1448
On June 07 2017 17:57 beentheredonethat wrote:
ah well peace out everyone, my motivation to play just got killed now that my mafia partner Vivax got killed *rolls eyes*



1. dude its just some speculation no need to be an enormous crybaby about it jesus h christ
2. the speculation explicitly states that you and vivax are NOT scum together
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#1450
BDTD please please don't be mad that i said hypothetically under some circumstances you would be suspicous, PLEASE. It's like, such a teeny tiny poke at you and you're reacting SO hard. come on dude. COME ON. if you're town we're in this together, please understand that sometimes people get some HYPOTHETICAL SUSPCION ON THEM and don't ragequite, PLEASE
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#1454
On June 07 2017 17:59 beentheredonethat wrote:
also WTF you ALWAYS lynch vivax after he rescinded. Either scum fakeclaim or fucking so bad town it gets a nomination for wrost play 2017 (which is what I did last newbie game) so WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU DUMBFUCKS SAYING THAT WHOEVER WANTS TO LYNCH HIM NOW IS SCUMMY

really last game I've played, period

fuckers bye


sorry if I made this unfun for you and you're town and saying this and not scum faking. If I really did make this unfun for you as town, with my suggestion that you might hypothetically be scum under some circumstances, i'm sorry. I dont' want to drive people away from TL Mafia and if I actually am doing that I'll legit stop playing. I'm really sorry dude
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#1456
like just btw can we (and i know this isn't a binding rule) maybe not threaten to quit TL Mafia forever because of what another player is doing? like jeez the community is already small enough
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#1458
On June 07 2017 18:01 Blazinghand wrote:
like just btw can we (and i know this isn't a binding rule) maybe not threaten to quit TL Mafia forever because of what another player is doing? like jeez the community is already small enough

like if I did cross the line at some point with my attacks on you BTDT please inform the host and any mod/ban actions on me will be adjudicated by someone else
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#1459
On June 07 2017 18:02 Vivax wrote:
And yea you can kill me and all and nominate the worst play or whatever (like I care when I'm already one of the most insane players around), but then don't talk about it and instead pretend I'm dead and how you get HF and BH best to the chopping block next.


Vivax could you imagine any possible world in which I'm town here?
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#1465
On June 07 2017 18:03 beentheredonethat wrote:
I am fully aware right now that this is me tilting and not even caused by an overly aggressive tone or something. It's really just me tilting and while I do know that it's me tilting, I cannot really do much against this. This just sucks.

I'll be back in a bit but right now, I really need to fix some issues apparently.


Hey man it's ok sometimes we all need a break from the thread. I needed one earlier. Please understand that my attempts to suggestion hypothetical situations in which you might be suspicious are not meant maliciously. Even if I'm scum, my goal isn't to make you NOT have fun or anything. Like, remember, currently I think

1) Vivax is highly likely to be scum, and HF is suspicious because HF is always suspicous
2) you are suspicious if and only if both Vivax and HF are town

So this is really a HYPOTHETICAL case.this will happen sometimes, you know? so please, take some time, breathe in, have a glass of water, and engage with the thread. If you're town, we need you BTDT. And I know you're capable of good play as town. So let's not give up and flame out, eh?
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#1467
On June 07 2017 18:05 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax, in a world that myself and Blazinghand are town. And you are town. A stretch, I know. Who is mafia and why?


I'd actually be really eager to hear this as well Vivax. Do you agree with my reasoning (which Hf latched onto, leech-like)?
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#1468
On June 07 2017 18:03 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2017 18:02 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 07 2017 18:01 Blazinghand wrote:
like just btw can we (and i know this isn't a binding rule) maybe not threaten to quit TL Mafia forever because of what another player is doing? like jeez the community is already small enough

like if I did cross the line at some point with my attacks on you BTDT please inform the host and any mod/ban actions on me will be adjudicated by someone else


LMAO


This is a bit over the top but TBH TL Mafia can't afford to lose any players, and if I'm a problem I'd like to instead not be a problem. I guess i'll just drop it but it's something we can talk about in post-game
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#1469
ok for real i'm hitting the hay
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#1472
yeah the secret mafia strat is to just never post and let town self-destruct. I've seen it happen. I've been it happening. no reason that couldn't be happening here.

ok double secret for reals going to bed
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#1474
On June 07 2017 18:11 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2017 18:05 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax, in a world that myself and Blazinghand are town. And you are town. A stretch, I know. Who is mafia and why?


Really? Off the top of my hat ritoky and TS


So here's the thing, and this is dumb, I know, but from my PoV I am town. I have no idea if HF is town, he's HF. I think you're scum but it's not completely impossible you were just super super angry town. And I... well, if HF is scum... Tubesock etc etc

interesting response though it is valuable
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#1475
er, if HF isn't scum, tubesock etc etc you get the idea

ok for reals triple bedtime bed good night
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#1542
So first off mad kudos to btdt and vivax for sticking around and talking I respect that
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#1580
On June 08 2017 03:44 ritoky wrote:
wasn't tubesock the guy who started the wave of votes onto fid though? why would he do that to a partner?


this is a valid and important point
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#1583
On June 08 2017 04:00 Holyflare wrote:
I didn't forget btdt's rage quitting at all. I'll be frank here, I think vivax is probably town but I'm not not lynching him because that town read is marginally bigger than an already massive scum read.

But that's tonally only. Evidence based then vivax is locked mafia. But my gut says otherwise so like a good trooper I'm already going for that eventuality even if it proves futile after his flip.


oi what you think vivax is probably town??? tonaly?? overall what is your read on Vivax
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#1590
On June 08 2017 04:11 ritoky wrote:
Also regarding Vivax, I get the argument that grack makes for how your play can come from a place of town anger and frustration.....but I have a hard time believing that you never once considered "what if everyone believes me and i am wrong? with this play". You take town from a place of lynching mafia to lynching back to back townies most likely.

Also why did you feel you had to make a play like this, you thought there's no way you can get hf lynched through conventional means?


I don't think there's any logical town motivation to what Vivax did.
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#1595
On June 08 2017 04:21 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 04:19 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 08 2017 04:15 ritoky wrote:
On June 08 2017 04:09 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 08 2017 04:03 ritoky wrote:
On June 07 2017 23:38 LightningStrike wrote:
Idk what to think honestly because it was very anti town of Vivax to try to do that claim stuff but it is a mostly stupid move for scum to do that unless he wanted to do a very big gamble. Yes I know scum was in a bad shot losing their GF Day 1 but it not impossible for them to come back and Vivax knows this. very mixed feelings on this honestly :\


why are you so afraid to make any reads this game?

I been thinking about rather the fact Vivax if he was the real cop (hint he retracted his claim) who was pissed off and didn't do shit after red checking HF but then later he unclaimed. I honestly can't tell whether it's scum Vivax doing a suicidal move or a depressed town Vivax.


being uncertain on vivax's alignment doesn't prevent you from having other reads. or conditional reads based on what he flips. do you have any of those?

Got you likely town but still found it weird that you went on a off wagon EoD. BH could be town based on his reaction of potentially getting lynched but again he went off wagon pretty close to EoD. Grack I feel is very likely town because he playing similar to generic how he was somewhat trolly but later did try to put in some work. TS I will have to reread his filter and ofc TW is unCCed doctor.


why isn't HF town? fear? respect? or something in particular?


HF isn't auto town in this scenario, or in most scenarios that could have happened today
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#1596
On June 08 2017 04:22 Holyflare wrote:
It's all your fault.

Also tw isn't the unCCd doctor. He's mafia.


A new development! care to explain?
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#1603
On June 08 2017 04:34 Holyflare wrote:
Tone: town
Evidence/factual/logically: mafia

Tone can be faked


Overall though mafia right. like you're not gonna take this guy on some easily fakable emotional stuff to be town
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#1604
On June 08 2017 04:38 ritoky wrote:
Can I take a moment to laugh at the dumpster fire that is my country right now? I just read the opening statement Comey is going to give tomorrow, and all I can do is laugh in pain.


sure, make sure you return to the dumpster fire that is this thread afterwards though
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#1605
On June 08 2017 05:05 Tumblewood wrote:
vivax could maybe be town here but I just can't accept this kind of play. either he's mafia and needs to be lynched or he's town and deserves to be punished for being such a dumbass


If he's town we should keep him alive, because our goal is to lynch scum, not town. I don't care about what he "deserves"—I want to win. However, he is scum.
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#1606
On June 08 2017 05:07 beentheredonethat wrote:
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On June 08 2017 04:03 Holyflare wrote:
Let's be real here, lynching anyone but vivax today is a travesty to the game of mafia.

Bah. Bah, for real.

Before Vivax unclaimed, lynching Vivax as the claimed cop would've been a travesty to the game of mafia.

Now you say "uh I think he's town but I'll stick with it and lynch him anyways".
No! If you genuinely think he is town, then you are perfectly capable of talking people out of the lynch.

It's things like this that make me mad, you know.


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#1612
On June 08 2017 05:10 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 05:07 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 08 2017 04:34 Holyflare wrote:
Tone: town
Evidence/factual/logically: mafia

Tone can be faked


Overall though mafia right. like you're not gonna take this guy on some easily fakable emotional stuff to be town


Yehhhh boi no towny wants to fake red check me a day after we lynch mafia.


yeah basically when we think about "who is desperate and angry" after the glorious D1 shenanny it's definitely Mafia—Vivax is coming from a scum mindset

On June 08 2017 05:12 beentheredonethat wrote:
This is amazing.
When Vivax had claimed: "Let's lynch the cop over the red-check"
When Vivax unclaimed: "I think he's town but let's lynch him anyways"

Take a step back guys and realize: we all townread Vivax apparently because what he did was bad as scum as well as as town. Like, really bad. Not just a bit bad. And while we all want to see blood, we won't fare well if we lynch a townie today. I'd lynch a lurker (yo, Prison Break, that's you) over Vivax any time.

And of course I'll take the second nomination for worst player 2017 if it turns out I hard defended scum twice :D


FWIW I still scumread Vivax and I think what he did can only come from a scum mindset. It's possible he could be incredibly angry, irrational, self-sabotaging anti-town town, but I don't think it's the case. I think if we lynch him he will flip scum.

If he is town, we shouldn't lynch him. No excuses.

If he is scum, we should lynch him. No excuses.

He is scum. So? Let's lynch him.

If someone says he's Town and ALSO wants to lynch him this is unacceptable strategy/mindset.
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#1613
On June 08 2017 05:14 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 05:10 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:05 Tumblewood wrote:
vivax could maybe be town here but I just can't accept this kind of play. either he's mafia and needs to be lynched or he's town and deserves to be punished for being such a dumbass


If he's town we should keep him alive, because our goal is to lynch scum, not town. I don't care about what he "deserves"—I want to win. However, he is scum.

sorry, I get what you're saying, but even if I knew for a fact vivax was town I would still do this. not that I've ever seen a bad fakeclaim and didn't think the guy was likely mafia, but I have too much respect for myself to prioritize a slightly better chance of the win over letting people get away with this shit

I have too much respect for myself to let stupid stuff get in the way of maximizing my win chance.

As it happens, we are both united in voting Vivax, even if my underlying reason is good and yours is stupid.
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#1615
On June 08 2017 05:16 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 05:14 Tumblewood wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:10 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:05 Tumblewood wrote:
vivax could maybe be town here but I just can't accept this kind of play. either he's mafia and needs to be lynched or he's town and deserves to be punished for being such a dumbass


If he's town we should keep him alive, because our goal is to lynch scum, not town. I don't care about what he "deserves"—I want to win. However, he is scum.

sorry, I get what you're saying, but even if I knew for a fact vivax was town I would still do this. not that I've ever seen a bad fakeclaim and didn't think the guy was likely mafia, but I have too much respect for myself to prioritize a slightly better chance of the win over letting people get away with this shit


oh please with the white knighting "good gameplay". either you think he's mafia cuz there's no sense to the play as town and lynch him or you don't.


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#1618
On June 08 2017 05:18 Tumblewood wrote:
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On June 08 2017 05:12 beentheredonethat wrote:
This is amazing.
When Vivax had claimed: "Let's lynch the cop over the red-check"
When Vivax unclaimed: "I think he's town but let's lynch him anyways"

Take a step back guys and realize: we all townread Vivax apparently because what he did was bad as scum as well as as town. Like, really bad. Not just a bit bad. And while we all want to see blood, we won't fare well if we lynch a townie today. I'd lynch a lurker (yo, Prison Break, that's you) over Vivax any time.

And of course I'll take the second nomination for worst player 2017 if it turns out I hard defended scum twice :D

if you're scum and you have 6 votes on you a few hours from deadline are you just gonna stick with a claim no one believes? you've gotta do everything you can to make people second-guess it.


He unclaimed over 12 hours ago btw
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#1626
I think BTDT should not be lynched
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#1628
On June 08 2017 05:28 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 05:14 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:10 Holyflare wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:07 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 08 2017 04:34 Holyflare wrote:
Tone: town
Evidence/factual/logically: mafia

Tone can be faked


Overall though mafia right. like you're not gonna take this guy on some easily fakable emotional stuff to be town


Yehhhh boi no towny wants to fake red check me a day after we lynch mafia.


yeah basically when we think about "who is desperate and angry" after the glorious D1 shenanny it's definitely Mafia—Vivax is coming from a scum mindset

On June 08 2017 05:12 beentheredonethat wrote:
This is amazing.
When Vivax had claimed: "Let's lynch the cop over the red-check"
When Vivax unclaimed: "I think he's town but let's lynch him anyways"

Take a step back guys and realize: we all townread Vivax apparently because what he did was bad as scum as well as as town. Like, really bad. Not just a bit bad. And while we all want to see blood, we won't fare well if we lynch a townie today. I'd lynch a lurker (yo, Prison Break, that's you) over Vivax any time.

And of course I'll take the second nomination for worst player 2017 if it turns out I hard defended scum twice :D


FWIW I still scumread Vivax and I think what he did can only come from a scum mindset. It's possible he could be incredibly angry, irrational, self-sabotaging anti-town town, but I don't think it's the case. I think if we lynch him he will flip scum.

If he is town, we shouldn't lynch him. No excuses.

If he is scum, we should lynch him. No excuses.

He is scum. So? Let's lynch him.

If someone says he's Town and ALSO wants to lynch him this is unacceptable strategy/mindset.

Yeah. I think he's town. I'll be the auto lynch if he flips red :D (and probably if he flips green too) at this point so why not ride or die and brag post game if he flips green?


Why not? because we should try to win. This... sigh. this seems obvious to me. I feel like... people should care about winning.

Look dude. If you think Vivax is town, and HF is scum (and your vote is currently on HF) then you know, at least give it the college try

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#1629
On June 08 2017 05:29 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 05:28 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:14 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:10 Holyflare wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:07 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 08 2017 04:34 Holyflare wrote:
Tone: town
Evidence/factual/logically: mafia

Tone can be faked


Overall though mafia right. like you're not gonna take this guy on some easily fakable emotional stuff to be town


Yehhhh boi no towny wants to fake red check me a day after we lynch mafia.


yeah basically when we think about "who is desperate and angry" after the glorious D1 shenanny it's definitely Mafia—Vivax is coming from a scum mindset

On June 08 2017 05:12 beentheredonethat wrote:
This is amazing.
When Vivax had claimed: "Let's lynch the cop over the red-check"
When Vivax unclaimed: "I think he's town but let's lynch him anyways"

Take a step back guys and realize: we all townread Vivax apparently because what he did was bad as scum as well as as town. Like, really bad. Not just a bit bad. And while we all want to see blood, we won't fare well if we lynch a townie today. I'd lynch a lurker (yo, Prison Break, that's you) over Vivax any time.

And of course I'll take the second nomination for worst player 2017 if it turns out I hard defended scum twice :D


FWIW I still scumread Vivax and I think what he did can only come from a scum mindset. It's possible he could be incredibly angry, irrational, self-sabotaging anti-town town, but I don't think it's the case. I think if we lynch him he will flip scum.

If he is town, we shouldn't lynch him. No excuses.

If he is scum, we should lynch him. No excuses.

He is scum. So? Let's lynch him.

If someone says he's Town and ALSO wants to lynch him this is unacceptable strategy/mindset.

Yeah. I think he's town. I'll be the auto lynch if he flips red :D (and probably if he flips green too) at this point so why not ride or die and brag post game if he flips green?


Why not? because we should try to win. This... sigh. this seems obvious to me. I feel like... people should care about winning.

Look dude. If you think Vivax is town, and HF is scum (and your vote is currently on HF) then you know, at least give it the college try

sigh


And like, you clearly are putting in effort. But what, should we lynch PB today? HF? your vote is on HF. Talk to me about your top scumread. Convince me, convince someone. IF you truly think Vivax is town, why not... why not try to stop this?
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#1647
On June 08 2017 05:35 beentheredonethat wrote:
Also wait - BH was all day like "look I hammered scum I'm so great" BH actually did not hammer scum, I thought all game he was part of the fidei train but he wasn't :O


Oh uh, sorry. I was like, joking or only quasi-serious. Basically, I noticed the Fidei wagon was unstoppable so I voted Vivax yesterday, but I was around. Then I said "consider me an honorary wagon member" and just sorta riffed off that. I didn't actually vote the guy lol
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June 07 2017 20:47 GMT
#1649
On June 08 2017 05:37 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 05:35 beentheredonethat wrote:
Also wait - BH was all day like "look I hammered scum I'm so great" BH actually did not hammer scum, I thought all game he was part of the fidei train but he wasn't :O


he effectively was, he just hopped off at the last minute to do some funsie shit.


Whoa, don't imply I was ever helpful, my vote was never on fidei
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#1650
On June 08 2017 05:40 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 05:38 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:37 ritoky wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:35 beentheredonethat wrote:
Also wait - BH was all day like "look I hammered scum I'm so great" BH actually did not hammer scum, I thought all game he was part of the fidei train but he wasn't :O


he effectively was, he just hopped off at the last minute to do some funsie shit.

erm no wait

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/523517-newbie-student-mafia-xxvi-voting-thread?user=Blazinghand

No. at no point was his vote on fidei


He asked if he was needed pretty early and then when people said no just voted elsewhere.


Yes, and I stuck around in case I was needed, but to be clear: I never actually voted fidei. I am only an honorary member of the wagon. Like having an honorary college degree, it doesn't actually mean I did any work.
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June 07 2017 20:48 GMT
#1652
On June 08 2017 05:42 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 05:40 Holyflare wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:38 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:37 ritoky wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:35 beentheredonethat wrote:
Also wait - BH was all day like "look I hammered scum I'm so great" BH actually did not hammer scum, I thought all game he was part of the fidei train but he wasn't :O


he effectively was, he just hopped off at the last minute to do some funsie shit.

erm no wait

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/523517-newbie-student-mafia-xxvi-voting-thread?user=Blazinghand

No. at no point was his vote on fidei


He asked if he was needed pretty early and then when people said no just voted elsewhere.

But there's no vote. There's no pressure if there's no vote. It's like "I promise to do things". I think since BH didn't actually vote, he shouldn't gain town cred.

I think we should at least re-read Blazinghand's end of day and check very thoroughly if there was honest and real commitment to the Fidei lynch. The fact that his vote wasn't on Fidei makes me feel very uncomfortable.


I didn't commit to shit, I just said I'd swap if needed, decided I wasn't needed, voted vivax, and loled my way to the bank
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#1653
On June 08 2017 05:48 beentheredonethat wrote:
Well I don't think I'll avert the Vivax wagon at this point. And I don't know if I even want to try to do so in a serious way since Vivax disappeared yet again, which contradicts his efforts earlier. When he continued playing after rescinding, I thought he's trying to reason.

Also to be perfectly honest here - if we don't lynch Vivax (or, technically, HF) anytime soon then this whole day is a waste.


I mean, if we lynch scum the day was like, by definition not a waste tho
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#1655
On June 08 2017 05:49 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 05:48 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:42 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:40 Holyflare wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:38 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:37 ritoky wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:35 beentheredonethat wrote:
Also wait - BH was all day like "look I hammered scum I'm so great" BH actually did not hammer scum, I thought all game he was part of the fidei train but he wasn't :O


he effectively was, he just hopped off at the last minute to do some funsie shit.

erm no wait

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/523517-newbie-student-mafia-xxvi-voting-thread?user=Blazinghand

No. at no point was his vote on fidei


He asked if he was needed pretty early and then when people said no just voted elsewhere.

But there's no vote. There's no pressure if there's no vote. It's like "I promise to do things". I think since BH didn't actually vote, he shouldn't gain town cred.

I think we should at least re-read Blazinghand's end of day and check very thoroughly if there was honest and real commitment to the Fidei lynch. The fact that his vote wasn't on Fidei makes me feel very uncomfortable.


I didn't commit to shit, I just said I'd swap if needed, decided I wasn't needed, voted vivax, and loled my way to the bank

Well at least I gave you a lot of town cred because I was super certain you pushed Fidei. That's what I get for not reading properly.


Yep, clearly you're to blame here.
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#1657
On June 08 2017 05:51 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 05:49 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:49 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:48 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:42 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:40 Holyflare wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:38 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:37 ritoky wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:35 beentheredonethat wrote:
Also wait - BH was all day like "look I hammered scum I'm so great" BH actually did not hammer scum, I thought all game he was part of the fidei train but he wasn't :O


he effectively was, he just hopped off at the last minute to do some funsie shit.

erm no wait

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/523517-newbie-student-mafia-xxvi-voting-thread?user=Blazinghand

No. at no point was his vote on fidei


He asked if he was needed pretty early and then when people said no just voted elsewhere.

But there's no vote. There's no pressure if there's no vote. It's like "I promise to do things". I think since BH didn't actually vote, he shouldn't gain town cred.

I think we should at least re-read Blazinghand's end of day and check very thoroughly if there was honest and real commitment to the Fidei lynch. The fact that his vote wasn't on Fidei makes me feel very uncomfortable.


I didn't commit to shit, I just said I'd swap if needed, decided I wasn't needed, voted vivax, and loled my way to the bank

Well at least I gave you a lot of town cred because I was super certain you pushed Fidei. That's what I get for not reading properly.


Yep, clearly you're to blame here.

Okay. Let's drop this.

Am I correct in thinking that you think HF is town? And I also assume HF thinks BH's town?


I think HF could well be scum. I do not extend a townread or a scumread to him. I am aware that it is inherently scummy of me not to have a strong position on HF, but basically it boils down to this: I think he has played well and actively and genially, and how I'd like town HF to play. I also think he's a slippery fucker who could do this as scum, regardless as to Vivax' alignment. He seems to think I'm town, which makes me even more suspicious of him, even though he's rate and has good reason. Yes, I'm paranoid. Yes, it's scummy of me not to give a solid read on HF. but this is what I think.

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June 07 2017 20:56 GMT
#1659
On June 08 2017 05:52 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 05:51 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:49 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:49 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:48 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:42 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:40 Holyflare wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:38 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:37 ritoky wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:35 beentheredonethat wrote:
Also wait - BH was all day like "look I hammered scum I'm so great" BH actually did not hammer scum, I thought all game he was part of the fidei train but he wasn't :O


he effectively was, he just hopped off at the last minute to do some funsie shit.

erm no wait

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/523517-newbie-student-mafia-xxvi-voting-thread?user=Blazinghand

No. at no point was his vote on fidei


He asked if he was needed pretty early and then when people said no just voted elsewhere.

But there's no vote. There's no pressure if there's no vote. It's like "I promise to do things". I think since BH didn't actually vote, he shouldn't gain town cred.

I think we should at least re-read Blazinghand's end of day and check very thoroughly if there was honest and real commitment to the Fidei lynch. The fact that his vote wasn't on Fidei makes me feel very uncomfortable.


I didn't commit to shit, I just said I'd swap if needed, decided I wasn't needed, voted vivax, and loled my way to the bank

Well at least I gave you a lot of town cred because I was super certain you pushed Fidei. That's what I get for not reading properly.


Yep, clearly you're to blame here.

Okay. Let's drop this.

Am I correct in thinking that you think HF is town? And I also assume HF thinks BH's town?


I think HF could well be scum. I do not extend a townread or a scumread to him. I am aware that it is inherently scummy of me not to have a strong position on HF, but basically it boils down to this: I think he has played well and actively and genially, and how I'd like town HF to play. I also think he's a slippery fucker who could do this as scum, regardless as to Vivax' alignment. He seems to think I'm town, which makes me even more suspicious of him, even though he's rate and has good reason. Yes, I'm paranoid. Yes, it's scummy of me not to give a solid read on HF. but this is what I think.



Actually, this kind of non-committment is so obviously "scummy" that my willingness to say this and put myself out there in order to tell the truth is a town-tell imo
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June 07 2017 20:58 GMT
#1661
On June 08 2017 05:56 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 05:47 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:37 ritoky wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:35 beentheredonethat wrote:
Also wait - BH was all day like "look I hammered scum I'm so great" BH actually did not hammer scum, I thought all game he was part of the fidei train but he wasn't :O


he effectively was, he just hopped off at the last minute to do some funsie shit.


Whoa, don't imply I was ever helpful, my vote was never on fidei


then i too also misinterpreted it. lol


OK just to set the record absolutely straight:

1. I never voted Fidei D1
2. I never commented on Fidei's alignment or the quality of the case against him D1
3. I moved around my vote at the end of the day, moving it from Grack (non-wagon) to Vivax (also a non-wagon)
4. I claimed I was willing to move onto Fidei if needed in order to secure the lynch, but never did this, though I was in thread until the lynch
5. After Fidei was lynched, I loudly claimed responsibility for the lynch and demanded people give me credit for it as an "honorary voter"
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June 07 2017 21:00 GMT
#1663
On June 08 2017 05:59 Holyflare wrote:
It's not scummy in the slightest. I'm forfeit from ever being solidly town read in a game by virtue of just being too damn good at scum.


LOL man I guess I'm not the biggest ego in this game after all..


--


I also made this post just as the lynch resolved:

On June 05 2017 09:01 Blazinghand wrote:
count me as an honorary fidei voter, unless he flips green, in which case please don't

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June 07 2017 21:07 GMT
#1675
On June 08 2017 06:05 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 05:56 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:52 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:51 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:49 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:49 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:48 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:42 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:40 Holyflare wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:38 beentheredonethat wrote:
[quote]
erm no wait

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/523517-newbie-student-mafia-xxvi-voting-thread?user=Blazinghand

No. at no point was his vote on fidei


He asked if he was needed pretty early and then when people said no just voted elsewhere.

But there's no vote. There's no pressure if there's no vote. It's like "I promise to do things". I think since BH didn't actually vote, he shouldn't gain town cred.

I think we should at least re-read Blazinghand's end of day and check very thoroughly if there was honest and real commitment to the Fidei lynch. The fact that his vote wasn't on Fidei makes me feel very uncomfortable.


I didn't commit to shit, I just said I'd swap if needed, decided I wasn't needed, voted vivax, and loled my way to the bank

Well at least I gave you a lot of town cred because I was super certain you pushed Fidei. That's what I get for not reading properly.


Yep, clearly you're to blame here.

Okay. Let's drop this.

Am I correct in thinking that you think HF is town? And I also assume HF thinks BH's town?


I think HF could well be scum. I do not extend a townread or a scumread to him. I am aware that it is inherently scummy of me not to have a strong position on HF, but basically it boils down to this: I think he has played well and actively and genially, and how I'd like town HF to play. I also think he's a slippery fucker who could do this as scum, regardless as to Vivax' alignment. He seems to think I'm town, which makes me even more suspicious of him, even though he's rate and has good reason. Yes, I'm paranoid. Yes, it's scummy of me not to give a solid read on HF. but this is what I think.



Actually, this kind of non-committment is so obviously "scummy" that my willingness to say this and put myself out there in order to tell the truth is a town-tell imo

But claiming your own town-tell means you're aware of it being a town-tell. It's not a "tell" if you're the one telling it.


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June 07 2017 21:37 GMT
#1697
On June 08 2017 06:33 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 06:32 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 08 2017 06:28 Holyflare wrote:
Last time I checked scum = scum and mafia = mafia. I don't know what dictionary you're using.

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You should know better that scum=mafia in almost every forum.


I stand by my comment. I have not called you scum.

come on HF quit yanking the man's chain
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June 07 2017 21:37 GMT
#1698
On June 08 2017 06:37 Grackaroni wrote:
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On June 08 2017 06:33 Tubesock wrote:
BH vs Grack was a shit fight. V vs HF wasn't.

I'm not taking the blame for that shit fight. That was all Blazinghand acting stupidly and me responding.

WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA you got it backwards, once again you are LYING!?!?!?
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June 07 2017 21:38 GMT
#1700
On June 08 2017 06:37 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 06:37 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 08 2017 06:33 Tubesock wrote:
BH vs Grack was a shit fight. V vs HF wasn't.

I'm not taking the blame for that shit fight. That was all Blazinghand acting stupidly and me responding.

WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA you got it backwards, once again you are LYING!?!?!?


btw this was a joke, all grack related shit is on hold until this day is over
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June 07 2017 21:42 GMT
#1706
On June 08 2017 06:38 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 06:37 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 08 2017 06:37 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 08 2017 06:33 Tubesock wrote:
BH vs Grack was a shit fight. V vs HF wasn't.

I'm not taking the blame for that shit fight. That was all Blazinghand acting stupidly and me responding.

WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA you got it backwards, once again you are LYING!?!?!?

You both are at fault for the fight between each other.


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On June 08 2017 06:39 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 06:37 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 08 2017 06:33 Tubesock wrote:
BH vs Grack was a shit fight. V vs HF wasn't.

I'm not taking the blame for that shit fight. That was all Blazinghand acting stupidly and me responding.


And that was one of he reasons I scummed BH.


OK but like, and I hate to beat a dead horse here, Grack literally said provably false things, even if you think he did so unknowingly.

On June 08 2017 06:39 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 06:38 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 08 2017 06:37 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 08 2017 06:37 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 08 2017 06:33 Tubesock wrote:
BH vs Grack was a shit fight. V vs HF wasn't.

I'm not taking the blame for that shit fight. That was all Blazinghand acting stupidly and me responding.

WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA you got it backwards, once again you are LYING!?!?!?


btw this was a joke, all grack related shit is on hold until this day is over

..............I went full Romanian then.


I don't get the reference

On June 08 2017 06:40 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 06:39 Tubesock wrote:
On June 08 2017 06:37 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 08 2017 06:33 Tubesock wrote:
BH vs Grack was a shit fight. V vs HF wasn't.

I'm not taking the blame for that shit fight. That was all Blazinghand acting stupidly and me responding.


And that was one of he reasons I scummed BH.

Now I enjoy his antics.


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#1709
So I'm actually quite comfy with this Vivax lynch today. I'm just chilling for the next couple of hours. I'm taking questions if anyone has any.
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#1710
On June 08 2017 06:45 Grackaroni wrote:
It's ok Blazinghand.

It's ok to be wrong.

I forgive you.

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Ah, you think it's okay to be wrong, and forgive me for not thinking so and calling you out about it?
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June 07 2017 23:39 GMT
#1728
On June 08 2017 08:38 Prison Break wrote:
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On June 08 2017 05:59 Holyflare wrote:
It's not scummy in the slightest. I'm forfeit from ever being solidly town read in a game by virtue of just being too damn good at scum.


For what it's worth I feel like the people not townreading me are doing it cause of me being scum last game mainly. It's no coincidence that you, me and TW all get heavy pressure

I feel like people are just ignoring a lot of stuff, like point out scummy things I'm doing, no they ignore Fidei vs me, and the fact my opinion/reads are almost the same as a lot of people. And I'm still someone possible scum but I don't see any good arguments for it

That said I do have a problem keeping up with the thread


FWIW I think things will probably calm down overnight to some extent and give you time to gather thoughts before daybreak
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June 07 2017 23:50 GMT
#1731
On June 08 2017 08:46 Grackaroni wrote:
You guys know if Vivax is town I'm gloating.

>solo vote on ritoky
>mfw
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June 07 2017 23:50 GMT
#1732
On June 08 2017 08:49 Vivax wrote:
Just lynch HF tomorrow.


Man stop tryna make me nervous Vivax we got you nailed
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#1734
On June 08 2017 08:50 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 08:50 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 08 2017 08:46 Grackaroni wrote:
You guys know if Vivax is town I'm gloating.

>solo vote on ritoky
>mfw
laughinggirlsjpg

TW keeps track of who votes on mafia at the end of the day and I need to up my stats.

so you don't think HF is scum at all?
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#1737
On June 08 2017 08:53 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 08:52 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 08 2017 08:50 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 08 2017 08:50 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 08 2017 08:46 Grackaroni wrote:
You guys know if Vivax is town I'm gloating.

>solo vote on ritoky
>mfw
laughinggirlsjpg

TW keeps track of who votes on mafia at the end of the day and I need to up my stats.

so you don't think HF is scum at all?

Not more than my usual wariness of Holyflare.

He's right that he can pretty much never be solidly town in a game again.

bleagh well at least I can say your voting is logically consistent with your talk then. So you're not a liar about this at least

anyways, you can apologize for being wrong after Vivax flips scum. I'll be waiting.
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June 07 2017 23:57 GMT
#1739
On June 08 2017 08:55 Prison Break wrote:
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On June 08 2017 08:49 Vivax wrote:
Just lynch HF tomorrow.


If you flip VT, which I doubt since I think you're scum, then really I don't understand your play at all, and you/others kept saying you wouldn't do this as VT either

If HF didn't fake blue, then the real blue would've been outed because why? I don't get it


Thought process being used here:

1) assume Tumblewood is real Doctor
2) Assume we only have two blues
3) Vivax claims Cop
4) Now, a hidden Cop thinks, "Vivax must be scum, because I am the real cop"
5) Enough time goes by, if it looks Vivax won't get lynched, the hidden cop counterclaims to make it true
6) this is really convenient for Scum Vivax, because now his final teammate catches a cop
7) this gets averted by HF's fake blueclaim

not saying this is true, but this is the thought process
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June 07 2017 23:57 GMT
#1740
On June 08 2017 08:57 Vivax wrote:
I fully expect BH to bus HF at full speed very soon if I'm right btw


Flip scum and stop talking in 3 minutes kiddo
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June 08 2017 00:00 GMT
#1741
You know if Vivax were really town he'd have some non-trash final post, something other than "expect BH to bus"; I'm town as heck. Cause he'd want town to win. but he doesn't. I'm confident he'll flip scum.
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June 08 2017 00:00 GMT
#1742
If Vivax isn't scum I'll figuratively eat my hat
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June 08 2017 00:03 GMT
#1744
Well, as I said all along, Vivax could have flipped any alignment but it needed to be done.
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June 08 2017 00:06 GMT
#1748
You know as one of the few people to speak out against blindly lynching Vivax I feel vindicated here. You all were talking about how he's indisputably scum and I pointed out that he could have just been cartoonishly bad town. And unlike you guys my vote wasn't on Vivax at the end of day. If only you'd listened to me we'd have been fine. But instead I was ignored and Vivax was lynched. But I do respect that it had to be done, even if I didn't expect him to flip scum.
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June 08 2017 00:12 GMT
#1752
Sorry BTDT please don't actually take the previous two posts seriously, those posts were jokes. I was being super confident Vivax was scum, and then he flipped town so I was loudly claiming to have always known he was town and never voted him even though I totally did. Those were jokes. I was just kidding around. I'm not serious about "I was the only one who didn't vote Vivax" or "I was the only one who defended him or pointed out he might be town"—these things are so far from what's true that it's completely impossible. Those are joke posts.
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June 08 2017 00:14 GMT
#1756
On June 08 2017 09:11 Prison Break wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 08:57 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 08 2017 08:55 Prison Break wrote:
On June 08 2017 08:49 Vivax wrote:
Just lynch HF tomorrow.


If you flip VT, which I doubt since I think you're scum, then really I don't understand your play at all, and you/others kept saying you wouldn't do this as VT either

If HF didn't fake blue, then the real blue would've been outed because why? I don't get it


Thought process being used here:

1) assume Tumblewood is real Doctor
2) Assume we only have two blues
3) Vivax claims Cop
4) Now, a hidden Cop thinks, "Vivax must be scum, because I am the real cop"
5) Enough time goes by, if it looks Vivax won't get lynched, the hidden cop counterclaims to make it true
6) this is really convenient for Scum Vivax, because now his final teammate catches a cop
7) this gets averted by HF's fake blueclaim

not saying this is true, but this is the thought process


It makes "sense" as scum, but I don't see it making sense as VT, is what I'm saying. It seems like a bad play as either alignment cause he just kind of gave up though. I'm still cool with the lynch fwiw.




Well if you're still cool with the Vivax lynch I got good news to you, and bad news for you we're past the deadline now—scroll up.

Good news: We successfully lynched Vivax
Bad news: He was Town
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June 08 2017 00:14 GMT
#1757
On June 08 2017 09:13 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 09:06 Blazinghand wrote:
You know as one of the few people to speak out against blindly lynching Vivax I feel vindicated here. You all were talking about how he's indisputably scum and I pointed out that he could have just been cartoonishly bad town. And unlike you guys my vote wasn't on Vivax at the end of day. If only you'd listened to me we'd have been fine. But instead I was ignored and Vivax was lynched. But I do respect that it had to be done, even if I didn't expect him to flip scum.

Also one more thing: tone-wise, this quoted piece is like "hey, we all wanted it, we all needed it, so it had to happen", brushing off any guilt. But you, BH, never believed in Vivax being cop in the first place. You actively pushed for a lynch, supporting HF super heavily, yet you say you're not townreading him. That's super suspicious.

Also note how HF is a total mistery to us now.
Whew. Okay. I'll go to bed now, it's 2 AM in the morning here.

Blabla setup speculation: if there's a vig in, PB, BH, HF are all solid targets. Maybe even me although I think my D2 should've made pretty clear that I'm town.



This was a joke post. this was a joke post. I was joking
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June 08 2017 00:15 GMT
#1759
Like in the post I literally claim "my vote wasn't on Vivax at the end of the day" which is a TRIVIALLY FALSE FACT. IT IS A JOKE POST.
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June 08 2017 00:16 GMT
#1761
On June 08 2017 09:15 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 09:14 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 08 2017 09:13 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 08 2017 09:06 Blazinghand wrote:
You know as one of the few people to speak out against blindly lynching Vivax I feel vindicated here. You all were talking about how he's indisputably scum and I pointed out that he could have just been cartoonishly bad town. And unlike you guys my vote wasn't on Vivax at the end of day. If only you'd listened to me we'd have been fine. But instead I was ignored and Vivax was lynched. But I do respect that it had to be done, even if I didn't expect him to flip scum.

Also one more thing: tone-wise, this quoted piece is like "hey, we all wanted it, we all needed it, so it had to happen", brushing off any guilt. But you, BH, never believed in Vivax being cop in the first place. You actively pushed for a lynch, supporting HF super heavily, yet you say you're not townreading him. That's super suspicious.

Also note how HF is a total mistery to us now.
Whew. Okay. I'll go to bed now, it's 2 AM in the morning here.

Blabla setup speculation: if there's a vig in, PB, BH, HF are all solid targets. Maybe even me although I think my D2 should've made pretty clear that I'm town.



This was a joke post. this was a joke post. I was joking

LIE. YOU'RE A LYING LIAR MC'LIARSON.



GAWD FRICKKIN DAMN IT GRACK
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June 08 2017 00:20 GMT
#1769
On June 08 2017 09:18 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 09:14 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 08 2017 09:13 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 08 2017 09:06 Blazinghand wrote:
You know as one of the few people to speak out against blindly lynching Vivax I feel vindicated here. You all were talking about how he's indisputably scum and I pointed out that he could have just been cartoonishly bad town. And unlike you guys my vote wasn't on Vivax at the end of day. If only you'd listened to me we'd have been fine. But instead I was ignored and Vivax was lynched. But I do respect that it had to be done, even if I didn't expect him to flip scum.

Also one more thing: tone-wise, this quoted piece is like "hey, we all wanted it, we all needed it, so it had to happen", brushing off any guilt. But you, BH, never believed in Vivax being cop in the first place. You actively pushed for a lynch, supporting HF super heavily, yet you say you're not townreading him. That's super suspicious.

Also note how HF is a total mistery to us now.
Whew. Okay. I'll go to bed now, it's 2 AM in the morning here.

Blabla setup speculation: if there's a vig in, PB, BH, HF are all solid targets. Maybe even me although I think my D2 should've made pretty clear that I'm town.



This was a joke post. this was a joke post. I was joking

Blabla. I mean you scumreading Vivax is like super consistent, you wanted to lynch him D1 already. I think your voting thread filter has ##vote Vivax and maybe an ##unvote somewhere.



MY. VOTE. WAS. ON. VIVAX. AT. END. OF. DAY. 2.
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June 08 2017 03:30 GMT
#1793
On June 08 2017 12:22 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got home and Vivax flipped town. Figured he might honestly.
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 09:06 Blazinghand wrote:
You know as one of the few people to speak out against blindly lynching Vivax I feel vindicated here. You all were talking about how he's indisputably scum and I pointed out that he could have just been cartoonishly bad town. And unlike you guys my vote wasn't on Vivax at the end of day. If only you'd listened to me we'd have been fine. But instead I was ignored and Vivax was lynched. But I do respect that it had to be done, even if I didn't expect him to flip scum.

Yes your vote was on Vivax at the end of the day as shown here:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 09:02 kitaman27 wrote:
Day Two Final Vote Count

Vivax (7): Tubesock, Holyflare, Blazinghand, Conversion, Prison Break, ritoky, Tumblewood, Tubesock
Holyflare (2): Vivax, beentheredonethat, LightningStrike
ritoky (1): Grackaroni
Prison Break (1): beentheredonethat
Grackaroni (0): ritoky
beentheredonethat (0): Prison Break
Tumblewood (0): LightningStrike

Nice try on lying on that front.


Sweet mother of mercy you know you can scroll like three posts up to see me saying "Vivax is definitely scum" above the post in which I am claiming that I defended Vivax. Man the moral of the story is to never tell jokes I guess
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June 08 2017 12:38 GMT
#1838
On June 08 2017 21:32 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 21:20 Holyflare wrote:
Tubesock who do you think is mafia?


I'm starting to think more about BH. I realized I don't trust him. He's said pretty towny things and makes me laugh. He's really buddying up to you and I think that's shady. Reminds me too much of Darth P(something) and Geript. He gives the token "oh I distrust HF totally" blah blah but would follow any of your plays. I don't for a second think he's "keeping his eye on you".


Do you actually not think even for a second that I am keeping my eye on HF? tsk tsk
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June 08 2017 12:39 GMT
#1841
On June 08 2017 21:36 Holyflare wrote:
Omg I love you for writing that post. Bh is definitely without a doubt on my radar even if he is hilarious.


Yeah I'm like legitimately hoping Mafia shoot me tonight so i can leave some desperate last-minute-before-dawn posts and then take credit when we win rather than having to like figure out you or this game
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June 08 2017 12:43 GMT
#1844
On June 08 2017 21:40 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 21:38 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 08 2017 21:32 Tubesock wrote:
On June 08 2017 21:20 Holyflare wrote:
Tubesock who do you think is mafia?


I'm starting to think more about BH. I realized I don't trust him. He's said pretty towny things and makes me laugh. He's really buddying up to you and I think that's shady. Reminds me too much of Darth P(something) and Geript. He gives the token "oh I distrust HF totally" blah blah but would follow any of your plays. I don't for a second think he's "keeping his eye on you".


Do you actually not think even for a second that I am keeping my eye on HF? tsk tsk


Semantics. You're definitely in tune with him. So I guess you DO have your eye on him.

Yeah like in fact the reason I am suspicious of him is THAT I am in tune with him. Probably the towniest thing HF has done in the last 12 hours is throw some token suspicion on me.
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June 08 2017 12:44 GMT
#1846
On June 08 2017 21:43 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 21:40 Tubesock wrote:
On June 08 2017 21:38 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 08 2017 21:32 Tubesock wrote:
On June 08 2017 21:20 Holyflare wrote:
Tubesock who do you think is mafia?


I'm starting to think more about BH. I realized I don't trust him. He's said pretty towny things and makes me laugh. He's really buddying up to you and I think that's shady. Reminds me too much of Darth P(something) and Geript. He gives the token "oh I distrust HF totally" blah blah but would follow any of your plays. I don't for a second think he's "keeping his eye on you".


Do you actually not think even for a second that I am keeping my eye on HF? tsk tsk


Semantics. You're definitely in tune with him. So I guess you DO have your eye on him.

Yeah like in fact the reason I am suspicious of him is THAT I am in tune with him. Probably the towniest thing HF has done in the last 12 hours is throw some token suspicion on me.

Though admittedly before this he did fakeclaim blue at Vivax to force him to back down which I'm still considering may have been a highly town play (since scum wouldn't be sure that Vivax was fakeclaiming the red check) but might have just been supremely ballsy or perhaps I'm missing something
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June 08 2017 18:39 GMT
#1895
On June 09 2017 03:17 LightningStrike wrote:
If you are vig shoot into me HF or BH.
If you are a cop check into me HF or BH.
That way the game is solved easier for us.


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Mafia: Please shoot me
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June 08 2017 18:40 GMT
#1898
Hmm you know what the worst part about Vivax flipping town is, is that now people will use this to claim RNG isn't good
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June 08 2017 18:40 GMT
#1899
I mean, that and the fact we mislynched
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June 08 2017 18:46 GMT
#1903
On June 09 2017 03:44 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2017 03:40 Blazinghand wrote:
Hmm you know what the worst part about Vivax flipping town is, is that now people will use this to claim RNG isn't good

It was never good when I played with you :o

Yeah see if Vivax had flipped scum I'd be able to rebut you super duper hard right here
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June 08 2017 18:49 GMT
#1906
On June 09 2017 03:47 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2017 03:46 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 09 2017 03:44 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 09 2017 03:40 Blazinghand wrote:
Hmm you know what the worst part about Vivax flipping town is, is that now people will use this to claim RNG isn't good

It was never good when I played with you :o

Yeah see if Vivax had flipped scum I'd be able to rebut you super duper hard right here

I mean hit town more with your RNG when I played with you :o

First off, RNG will not in fact hit scum at a rate higher than chance. It definitely won't hit scum more than it hits town. That's literally the point of RNG.
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June 08 2017 18:50 GMT
#1907
RNG's value isn't in that it's likely to land on scum; it's on complicated things that have to do with generating conversation, how likely it is to actually get pushed and lunch someone. etc.
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June 08 2017 18:50 GMT
#1908
eh, whatever, i won't bother defneding it now, what's done is done
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June 08 2017 19:21 GMT
#1930
On June 09 2017 04:09 Holyflare wrote:
How does knowing my alignment figure out the game more? You think I could do the best cc claim you've seen in a while as mafia?

And no I'm nit talking about grack saying btdt afkd. There was someone who said he raged as mafia.


He BTDT has raged as mafia this is a very important piece of info. I am currently townreading him for his rage.
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June 08 2017 19:32 GMT
#1940
On June 09 2017 04:29 Holyflare wrote:
I don't think i was toxic in this interaction at all (maybe the last post was a bit harsh). You called for me to get shot, posted multiple falsehoods and when I said that this wasn't the case by simply linking your own posts I get told it's nitpicky. That is a confusing turn of events to say the least and doesn't make sense to me so I'm going to naturally be confused.

My post was not toxic by any stretch of the imagination as I in no way insulted you or your play but rather the content you posted.


You need to wear kid gloves if you want anything out of BTDT. Just be very overly-friendly with him and if you say anything accusative wrap it up in several layers of abstraction. Otherwise the interaction won't work. That's my experience. What you're saying here is not going to do anything but increase the rage.
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June 08 2017 19:37 GMT
#1946
On June 09 2017 04:32 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2017 04:32 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 09 2017 04:29 Holyflare wrote:
I don't think i was toxic in this interaction at all (maybe the last post was a bit harsh). You called for me to get shot, posted multiple falsehoods and when I said that this wasn't the case by simply linking your own posts I get told it's nitpicky. That is a confusing turn of events to say the least and doesn't make sense to me so I'm going to naturally be confused.

My post was not toxic by any stretch of the imagination as I in no way insulted you or your play but rather the content you posted.


You need to wear kid gloves if you want anything out of BTDT. Just be very overly-friendly with him and if you say anything accusative wrap it up in several layers of abstraction. Otherwise the interaction won't work. That's my experience. What you're saying here is not going to do anything but increase the rage.

LET ME FETCH YOU YOUR GRAPES, MASTER

Not like that, just be very friendly to the guy. I'm sure he wouldn't appreciate weird over the top stuff like what you just wrote
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June 08 2017 20:22 GMT
#1967
On June 09 2017 05:10 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2017 04:51 ritoky wrote:
[image loading]

don't, just don't. instead, be constructive.



---->

On June 09 2017 04:25 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2017 04:21 Holyflare wrote:
On June 09 2017 04:17 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 09 2017 04:11 Holyflare wrote:
On June 05 2017 06:59 beentheredonethat wrote:
ritoky votes tw
i vote tw


I didn't even realize that this was "your" push
I townread ritoky for pushing me back then

stop being nitpicky about shit


???
??????

?????????.?

Says i haven't done anything memorable.

Gets called out with facts.

Stop being nitpicky.

Dafuk.

[image loading]

You're a toxic prick and it's not enjoyable to play with you. Byyyye


On June 09 2017 04:26 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2017 04:22 Holyflare wrote:
On June 09 2017 04:18 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 09 2017 04:09 Holyflare wrote:
How does knowing my alignment figure out the game more? You think I could do the best cc claim you've seen in a while as mafia?

And no I'm nit talking about grack saying btdt afkd. There was someone who said he raged as mafia.

Yes?

I was talking about the Host's revenge game where he got mad and quit for a cycle because some arcane role interaction contradicted him and made him look like he was lying.

I looked back at that game and he definitely wasn't as over the top angry about every suspicion he got. I think it was specific to a weird circumstance.


Link me

[image loading]

LiNk mE


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June 08 2017 20:26 GMT
#1969
On June 09 2017 05:25 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2017 05:10 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 09 2017 04:51 ritoky wrote:
[image loading]

don't, just don't. instead, be constructive.


idk if you're american, but there's this thing that is going on today, james comey testified on potential espionage charges; it is kinda more important to me and taking my attention.


wasn't that a like 7 am
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#1972
On June 09 2017 05:36 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2017 05:22 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 09 2017 05:10 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 09 2017 04:51 ritoky wrote:
[image loading]

don't, just don't. instead, be constructive.



---->

On June 09 2017 04:25 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 09 2017 04:21 Holyflare wrote:
On June 09 2017 04:17 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 09 2017 04:11 Holyflare wrote:
On June 05 2017 06:59 beentheredonethat wrote:
ritoky votes tw
i vote tw


I didn't even realize that this was "your" push
I townread ritoky for pushing me back then

stop being nitpicky about shit


???
??????

?????????.?

Says i haven't done anything memorable.

Gets called out with facts.

Stop being nitpicky.

Dafuk.

[image loading]

You're a toxic prick and it's not enjoyable to play with you. Byyyye


On June 09 2017 04:26 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 09 2017 04:22 Holyflare wrote:
On June 09 2017 04:18 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 09 2017 04:09 Holyflare wrote:
How does knowing my alignment figure out the game more? You think I could do the best cc claim you've seen in a while as mafia?

And no I'm nit talking about grack saying btdt afkd. There was someone who said he raged as mafia.

Yes?

I was talking about the Host's revenge game where he got mad and quit for a cycle because some arcane role interaction contradicted him and made him look like he was lying.

I looked back at that game and he definitely wasn't as over the top angry about every suspicion he got. I think it was specific to a weird circumstance.


Link me

[image loading]

LiNk mE



Cool! Two posts where I wasn't, but the rest of my participation of the last 60 minutes was decent.

Yours wasn't.


I ain't being all high and mighty about it. I own it. Legit. Be more like me.
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June 08 2017 20:38 GMT
#1973
On June 09 2017 05:36 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2017 05:22 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 09 2017 05:10 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 09 2017 04:51 ritoky wrote:
[image loading]

don't, just don't. instead, be constructive.



---->

On June 09 2017 04:25 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 09 2017 04:21 Holyflare wrote:
On June 09 2017 04:17 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 09 2017 04:11 Holyflare wrote:
On June 05 2017 06:59 beentheredonethat wrote:
ritoky votes tw
i vote tw


I didn't even realize that this was "your" push
I townread ritoky for pushing me back then

stop being nitpicky about shit


???
??????

?????????.?

Says i haven't done anything memorable.

Gets called out with facts.

Stop being nitpicky.

Dafuk.

[image loading]

You're a toxic prick and it's not enjoyable to play with you. Byyyye


On June 09 2017 04:26 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 09 2017 04:22 Holyflare wrote:
On June 09 2017 04:18 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 09 2017 04:09 Holyflare wrote:
How does knowing my alignment figure out the game more? You think I could do the best cc claim you've seen in a while as mafia?

And no I'm nit talking about grack saying btdt afkd. There was someone who said he raged as mafia.

Yes?

I was talking about the Host's revenge game where he got mad and quit for a cycle because some arcane role interaction contradicted him and made him look like he was lying.

I looked back at that game and he definitely wasn't as over the top angry about every suspicion he got. I think it was specific to a weird circumstance.


Link me

[image loading]

LiNk mE



Cool! Two posts where I wasn't, but the rest of my participation of the last 60 minutes was decent.

Yours wasn't.


Though like to be fair, I really thought about not making that post cause I didn't want to upset you, but it needed to be said. If you're gonna shit up the thread, own it. If you're gonna whine about people shitting up the thread within like 10 posts of you shitting up the thread, expect to get called out.
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June 08 2017 21:25 GMT
#1986
On June 09 2017 06:09 Holyflare wrote:
there are no other blues in this game because they would have claimed to save me from vivax and should have traded

I don't think this is an all vanilla game that would just seem really random tbh so I'm just giving TW a pass


I disagree with your setup speculation that there are no non-TW blues.

If you're a blue and you see Vivax vs Holyflare going down, and basically ALL DAY Vivax has more votes on him then HF (which was true, btw! you were never in serious danger or leading in votes except maybe at the very start)... especially if you're someone like the Cop who benefits from more time and not being RBed and so on, there's no need to cc Vivax.

Like, again, Vivax had more votes on him basically all day. He was generally considered scummy. You were not in a significant irrecoverable danger, and by about the halfway point it was clear Vivax would be lynched.

If I were a town cop in this situation I'd keep my mouth shut.
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#1987
On June 09 2017 06:17 Holyflare wrote:
I don't think you should town read BH here though


I disagree! Everyone should townread me always
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June 08 2017 21:28 GMT
#1989
On June 09 2017 06:27 Holyflare wrote:
All right you convinced me, have a town read.


yessssssssss
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June 08 2017 22:56 GMT
#2054
On June 09 2017 07:30 beentheredonethat wrote:
(but then again, the onegu kill was already super weird)

why
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June 08 2017 22:57 GMT
#2058
On June 09 2017 07:56 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2017 07:56 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 09 2017 07:30 beentheredonethat wrote:
(but then again, the onegu kill was already super weird)

why


see this guy making the night kills


no like in my view onegu was a natural choice, right? he lead the fidei wagon and was universally townreaded. why is it weird that he was killed?
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June 08 2017 23:18 GMT
#2065
On June 09 2017 08:03 Prison Break wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2017 07:57 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 09 2017 07:56 Holyflare wrote:
On June 09 2017 07:56 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 09 2017 07:30 beentheredonethat wrote:
(but then again, the onegu kill was already super weird)

why


see this guy making the night kills


no like in my view onegu was a natural choice, right? he lead the fidei wagon and was universally townreaded. why is it weird that he was killed?


Because TW claimed blue is all I can think of


oh right forgot about that. yeah that makes sense you'd probably just want to shoot the doctor

actually now that I think about it that is pretty fuckin weird
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June 08 2017 23:48 GMT
#2077
On June 09 2017 08:21 Holyflare wrote:
i don't believe you Blazinghand


wait really
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June 08 2017 23:49 GMT
#2078
Like in what ass-retarded world in which I had a directed this NK wouldn't we shoot the doctor, this seems obvious to me
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June 08 2017 23:53 GMT
#2082
On June 09 2017 08:50 Holyflare wrote:
the one where you forgot the doctor claimed and said onegu was a good kill!


OH COME ON. I'd remember the doctor claimed DURING N1, I was talking about it right at the end of D1. The fact that now, N2, I forgot it, doesn't mean I wouldn't remember during N1 when like two hours earlier I was overdramatically saying "I'm fine dying if the doctor lives"

If you legitimately believe this dear god I hope you're scum putting on a show for the baddies cause I lost a lot of respect for you
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June 08 2017 23:53 GMT
#2084
On June 09 2017 08:52 Holyflare wrote:
think bh is retroactively defending himself, definitely lynch tomorrow


if you wanna lynch me, lynch me, but don't do it on the ground of "Blazinghand during N1, as scum, forgot TW is the doctor"--have a bit of respect for my play here
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June 08 2017 23:54 GMT
#2085
On June 09 2017 08:53 Holyflare wrote:
look at him flail


ugh why do I even bother. Seriously, be clear and answer thsi question: do you believe I forgot Tumblewood was doctor during N1? Do you think I did that, yes or no
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June 08 2017 23:55 GMT
#2087
On June 09 2017 08:54 Holyflare wrote:
SO MUCH FLAIL


ANSWER THE QUESTION. DO YOU BELIEVE IT.
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June 08 2017 23:57 GMT
#2089
cmon hf this shouldn't take that long, do you genuinely believe that during N1 I as scum would not remember TW was the doctor? it's a pivotal plank to this, I want to hear you say it directly
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June 08 2017 23:57 GMT
#2090
On June 09 2017 08:57 Holyflare wrote:
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee


make a direct statement! I want to pin you down on this. I'm serious.
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United States25551 Posts
June 08 2017 23:59 GMT
#2092
ANSWER THE QUESTION
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June 08 2017 23:59 GMT
#2095
boy i hope mafia shot me, people throwing pants-on-head dumb suspicion on me at the end really reduces that chance
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June 08 2017 23:59 GMT
#2097
now i'm gonna have to deal with this super dumb case for the rest of the day while also hunting scum
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June 09 2017 00:00 GMT
#2099
On June 09 2017 08:59 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2017 08:58 Holyflare wrote:
I shot prison break, gg


if there is another blue tomorrow, claim plz because tw is mafia if so


no, if there's another blue make your own damn decision
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June 09 2017 00:00 GMT
#2100
On June 09 2017 09:00 Holyflare wrote:
i didnt shoot but im vig


it's impossible that you claimed vigi, didn't shoot. mafia would rb you tomorrow night
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June 09 2017 00:00 GMT
#2101
vigi wouldn't hold fire n2 and also out himself because it lets him be shut down n3
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United States25551 Posts
June 09 2017 00:01 GMT
#2102
sigh
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June 19 2017 22:39 GMT
#3128
thanks for the great game, hosts.
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Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
June 22 2017 18:28 GMT
#3147
Speaking as a player and not a ban list manager, I am more concerned that a single town player was even allowed to concede (like why did the hosts even do anything, LS saying "I concede" should be meaningless) than the fact that said town player tried. Were I the host of this game, I'd just ignore any town or mafia player claiming they were "conceding" in the thread. Mafia can concede if all living Mafia agree with it in the QT or in PMs. Town cannot concede.
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United States25551 Posts
June 22 2017 20:59 GMT
#3151
Understandable. The core issue is "there shouldn't be something that town can say that scum literally can't say" right? It has been some time since I hosted, but were I hosting I generally say that asking things in thread or trying to concede in thread is meaningless and anyone can say it. Scum can only concede via the Scum Quicktopic or PM. So everyone is free to claim they're conceding but it's all just words, words, words.

Of course this is coming from a guy who is willing to fake that he is moving to a new house in order to get out of posting. I'm quite anything-goes in terms of lying.
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June 22 2017 22:04 GMT
#3153
Oh yeah he did say that here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/522886-newbie-student-mafia-xxvi?page=156#3107

yeah that's really no bueno
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