On February 14 2015 15:11 Half the Sky wrote: Also Breshke, regarding the CC, I'm no balance queen (yet) but how do you know there cannot be a second miller?
17-player game might be possible. 13-man based on Horn, unlikely.
There could be I just think it would be ballsy for a mafia to claim miller this early because if like 2+ other millers out that sticks you in the limelight because it isnt really standard.
On February 14 2015 15:06 Breshke wrote: I don't understand this but i feel i should
Regarding my quotes on LS...here's the thing.
I asked him why he didn't have reads on Robik, not even preliminary. He appeared noncomittal at first. Didn't seem he was making any basis for comparison, just called him mad in this thread. But then in Linux, he'd given some reads based on that same behaviour. So my point is, why isn't he doing the same here or at least trying to compare?
That's why I think for the time being he should be scumread.
I don't think LS as a player is one to commit to early reads without seeing what others think about the situation first.
I also think it is unfair to expect him to react to situations in the same way when he has been playing a fair bit and is activly trying to change the way he is playing. Im not sure if my point is coming across but I like your logic but i don't think it makes LS scummy. (so much for not trying to reading him)
On February 14 2015 15:25 Breshke wrote: There could be I just think it would be ballsy for a mafia to claim miller this early because if like 2+ other millers out that sticks you in the limelight because it isnt really standard.
How so? Clarify the bolded please? Sticks me in the light, meaning that it makes me look scum? Or my claiming isn't really standard?
Based on what marvellosity said in Horn (and he was town), you typically want to claim it as soon as you can. Which I did as I was here at game start. Later claims of it by any player are more suspicious (though I realise right now a number haven't entered thread yet). And this is the first time I've RNGed that role, so I am going off that.
It seems clear to me that it's time for an RNG lynch.
So here's what happens
1) you all will follow me since I'm the best player here
2) I will lynch the guy via RNG as determined by this post (the one you're reading right now)'s sitewide post count modulo 17. Since so many people are posting at once on TL it's impossible for us to know what's going down. Basically, in addition to a "what post in this thread" post ID, each post has a unique sitewide id # that's increasing so quickly because of TL traffic, I can use it to RNG effectively.
I've done this before. It works. If you don't know what "modulo" means or how my rng lynch works after this explanation, you are not mathematically and educationally qualified to claim that this lynch is not RNG.
For RNG, this post will be used for generating a random lynch. The # in the upper left corner can be right-clicked and used to access the absolute TL post # for this post. That number mod 9 is the random lynch. 1 =Oats, 2 = rayn, etc, all the way up to 8 = holyflare and 0 = sloosh.
The reason we use the absolute TL post number is that posts are constantly being made, so the number is truly random. We turn it into a number 1-14 by taking that number mod 14. What is mod? effectively, it's the remainder after division. For example. 13 mod 14 = 13. 14 mod 14 = 0. 18 mod 14 = 4. 19 mod 14 = 5. and so on.
Basically, this generates a random number 1 through 14. I am in favor of the random lynch (though am somewhat interested in a policy lynch today as well-- TL does not do this enough. I will start off by voting for the random lynched based on THIS POST.
In this case, 1 = rayn 2 = HtS
etc etc all the way up to
16 = Breshke 0 = FecalFeast
(since a multiple of 17 modulo 17 is 0, not 17, we end with 0).
there is no force on earth that can persuade me that RNG lynch is sub-optimal. bow before the RNG lynch. behold its glory and its horror and all of its majesty
On February 14 2015 15:25 Breshke wrote: There could be I just think it would be ballsy for a mafia to claim miller this early because if like 2+ other millers out that sticks you in the limelight because it isnt really standard.
How so? Clarify the bolded please? Sticks me in the light, meaning that it makes me look scum? Or my claiming isn't really standard?
Based on what marvellosity said in Horn (and he was town), you typically want to claim it as soon as you can. Which I did as I was here at game start. Later claims of it by any player are more suspicious (though I realise right now a number haven't entered thread yet). And this is the first time I've RNGed that role, so I am going off that.
Okay so imagine if you are scum and decide to fake claim miller straightaway not knwing if there are any other millers in the game. Then like 2 other millers also claim. I know shit all about setup balance but lets say 3 is considered too many for a 17 person game. People would then look into these people more as it would be more likely one of these was mafia.
So therefore i don't think you claim miller that early because it could easily put you up for suspicion especially D1 when there isn't that much to go on. Obviously this isn't something you would want to do as mafia.
Look roughly speaking there are 17 players, right? if 5 of them are scum, then that gives us a solid 30% chance of lynching scum purely based on RNG. Now, this isn't a very good ratio, I understand. Often, town can sometimes, occasionally it for D1 lynches. But unless you put together a better case, the fact of the matter is, I'm offering a straight-up 30% chance to lynch someone. And I think that's better than anything anyone else has offered
On top of that, once I've RNGed someone, I tunnel them until they are lynched. This is pretty much historically accurate.
That being said, I am willing to change vote if you guys can offer something better, but things like "someone was yelling in all caps" or whatever other baloney is going on doesn't even come close to matching up with RNG in terms of usefulness as a heuristic.
On February 14 2015 15:37 Breshke wrote: So therefore i don't think you claim miller that early because it could easily put you up for suspicion especially D1 when there isn't that much to go on. Obviously this isn't something you would want to do as mafia.
This game with its high scum count is uniquely suited to RNG. This is possibly the best that RNG can be, and if towns have been willing to use it when it was worse, we should be willing to use it when it's at its strongest. Follow me! Follow me and discover GREATNESS.
So Blazinghand, D1 meta for Vayne is that he does jack all. We're less than 2h into the game. Further, you're objectively scumreading him for doing jack all, when it's his known meta?
I had previously scumread him because compared to what he normally posts all of D1, which is jack all, I think in comparison, he was posting too much within the first few bits of the game here, though he's (reasonably) countering that it's because of the weird start time.
So Blazinghand, D1 meta for Vayne is that he does jack all. We're less than 2h into the game. Further, you're objectively scumreading him for doing jack all, when it's his known meta?
I had previously scumread him because compared to what he normally posts all of D1, which is jack all, I think in comparison, he was posting too much within the first few bits of the game here, though he's (reasonably) countering that it's because of the weird start time.
what is funny is me & some other person were saying he is too active, therefore scum
So Blazinghand, D1 meta for Vayne is that he does jack all. We're less than 2h into the game. Further, you're objectively scumreading him for doing jack all, when it's his known meta?
I had previously scumread him because compared to what he normally posts all of D1, which is jack all, I think in comparison, he was posting too much within the first few bits of the game here, though he's (reasonably) countering that it's because of the weird start time.
Well, objectively I'm choosing to scumread him because he got RNGed. Do you deny that he got RNGed? It was truly random and gives us a 30% chance to lynch scum, which is way better than any other case so far. The real question here is why aren't you voting VA yet
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