EPTHow about you show a logical conclusion on why it must be the case and explain why scum!vivax would cast shade on his teammate scum!grack
Cus the point that's gonna be argued is that they are playing in a suboptimal format by doing so are they not?
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Silverika
United States231 Posts
How about you show a logical conclusion on why it must be the case and explain why scum!vivax would cast shade on his teammate scum!grack Cus the point that's gonna be argued is that they are playing in a suboptimal format by doing so are they not? | ||
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Vivax
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I don't even know what all the fuss is about me sharkie is making, I asked him a clear question: Which team do you think would succeed, and since he's so convinced Grack is not mafia, would he still think that if the team failed without me on it and for example rtanisoul instead? Right now he's just flailing at me getting TR and grack scumread. What point is there, where does he want to lead? Just don't add me on the team then or don't approve teams with me on it, I'm perfectly fine not being on a team as long as I think it will succeed. But with what you're doing you aren't providing solutions. | ||
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RtaniSoul
552 Posts
On February 09 2017 20:34 Vivax wrote: Well RtaniSoul gets an easy townread now. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/hugMG8P.gif) | ||
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Vivax
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
On February 08 2017 22:14 Silverika wrote: I think EC is a spy because he never takes a hard stand on anything. Most of his comments are very blendy and he doesn't stick out on anything. Rtani Soul is very Town. Not only because of the amount of analysis in the game, but the tone of the posting, the level of frustration, and they make no sense as scum with anyone on the failed mission. I thought Grack would never fail a mission with sharkie there to take the fall but I'm gonna stop using this kind of stuff to analyze and actually filter dive grack more. There are things from sharkie and Vivax that look pretty Town so I can't write either of them off as spies. Also, I want to look at that old resistance game so many of you were in. Will do this in a little bit-filter dive grack and look at that game. ~SilverWolf77 Hmm your first two sentences are false. I stood up for my initial team, I stood up against 1 scum on the initial 3, I stood up for super as town, now I'm pretty sure that vivax is town. just nobody cared when the first mission passed, until the second one failed. On February 08 2017 21:54 RtaniSoul wrote: EC, who do you currently think is mafia? ugh fuck, vivax looks like town to me, same with super still. You're maybe town, unfortunately. sharkie thinking vivax is mafia is logical to me, but I don't see vivax as scum here. silver still town. between sharkie and grack, grack probably town. I didn't really like his crazy theory of rtani and vivax. I can see the basis, but I think it's more likely grack mafia then rtani/vivax. hmm sl I kinda liked his list. I think it's right to exclude grack/sharkie, but I don't trust sl himself. His game position is such that he can just sack himself on the next mission. I think I'm still rolling with sharkie/sl/ +1. +1 is probably tumble, with a pretty outside chance of rtani. sharkie is maaaybe grack, but I think the others are less likely imo. | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
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Grackaroni
United States9857 Posts
On February 09 2017 17:04 Silverika wrote: Sharkie-I already said I think he did it because everyone has been saying all game he'd go after you as a spy. I don't understand his shifting reads. I'm also townreading Artani Soul as one of my top reads so I don't think that team combination makes sense. I don't think fracks shifting reads make a lot of sense. I wish I could give you more to say Vivax is clearly Town. He's a weakercread than you or Rtani Soul but I'm not seeing much spy motivation in his behavior and his tone/analysis leans Town. Can you go over your scumread of him with me again? ~SW lol I don't know how long you guys can keep doing this. "I can't understand why he would shift reads. He must be trying to wifom his way out of being scum read. By the way, I now think that you're really townie." | ||
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Silverika
United States231 Posts
On February 09 2017 21:43 Grackaroni wrote: lol I don't know how long you guys can keep doing this. "I can't understand why he would shift reads. He must be trying to wifom his way out of being scum read. By the way, I now think that you're really townie." your reasoning for shifting reads makes little sense is what shes saying. she isnt calling you town either | ||
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sharkie
Austria18759 Posts
On February 09 2017 19:57 RtaniSoul wrote: sharkie, level with me, is your biggest issue with people suspecting grack that you think too many people are? No, it's that vivax is getting a free pass. On February 09 2017 20:03 Silverika wrote: Sharkie let me try this approach as well: you think both can be scum yes? How about you show a logical conclusion on why it must be the case and explain why scum!vivax would cast shade on his teammate scum!grack Cus the point that's gonna be argued is that they are playing in a suboptimal format by doing so are they not? I don't think both of them spies. That's way too deep of a level. That is like considering that you are a spy. On February 09 2017 20:34 Vivax wrote: Well RtaniSoul gets an easy townread now. I don't even know what all the fuss is about me sharkie is making, I asked him a clear question: Which team do you think would succeed, and since he's so convinced Grack is not mafia, would he still think that if the team failed without me on it and for example rtanisoul instead? Right now he's just flailing at me getting TR and grack scumread. What point is there, where does he want to lead? Just don't add me on the team then or don't approve teams with me on it, I'm perfectly fine not being on a team as long as I think it will succeed. But with what you're doing you aren't providing solutions. No, I don't think the team had failed if we had rtanisoul on it. But then we would probably also have gotten more nayvotes (including yours). But I can't prove anything. | ||
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RtaniSoul
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RtaniSoul
552 Posts
On February 09 2017 22:34 sharkie wrote: What is PoE and bussing? No, it's that vivax is getting a free pass. I don't think both of them spies. That's way too deep of a level. That is like considering that you are a spy. No, I don't think the team had failed if we had rtanisoul on it. But then we would probably also have gotten more nayvotes (including yours). But I can't prove anything. PoE is Process of Elimination. And trust me, we haven't given Vivax a free pass. You mentioned people can change their play and I agree that there's a few things that people can change, but a lot of things are things people do subconsciously or just really don't fit into their personality and would never come up with. I believe I'm familiar enough with Vivax that this is the case for him. We also really don't see a situation in which Vivax is a spy without one of you/silver/grack being a spy simply because the risk of losing outright after that if silver decides to put me on the mission next, which given his reads was a very likely option. | ||
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RtaniSoul
552 Posts
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RtaniSoul
552 Posts
We would like a RtaniSoul/Sharkie/Silverika/Vivax mission at this point in time. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18759 Posts
On February 09 2017 22:42 RtaniSoul wrote: PoE is Process of Elimination. And trust me, we haven't given Vivax a free pass. You mentioned people can change their play and I agree that there's a few things that people can change, but a lot of things are things people do subconsciously or just really don't fit into their personality and would never come up with. I believe I'm familiar enough with Vivax that this is the case for him. We also really don't see a situation in which Vivax is a spy without one of you/silver/grack being a spy simply because the risk of losing outright after that if silver decides to put me on the mission next, which given his reads was a very likely option. In the end silver and you don't believe vivax is the spy because he is not the type of player to make such risky play isn't that true? Obviously, it is not the only reason but it is a big reason. As a neutral player I do not have this prejudice, do you understand how for me this can be a very likely possibility? (And silver did not put you in the team though. In fact it was never in discussion because I had suggested it but both vivax and silver declined my suggestion and then started to bombard us with spy accusations.) | ||
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RtaniSoul
552 Posts
On February 09 2017 22:57 sharkie wrote: In the end silver and you don't believe vivax is the spy because he is not the type of player to make such risky play isn't that true? Obviously, it is not the only reason but it is a big reason. As a neutral player I do not have this prejudice, do you understand how for me this can be a very likely possibility? (And silver did not put you in the team though. In fact it was never in discussion because I had suggested it but both vivax and silver declined my suggestion and then started to bombard us with spy accusations.) On one hand, I do understand. On the other, I feel like Vivax has made a bunch of plays much less likely to come from a spy than Grack has. Mainly the not putting himself on a mission (you mention he said he wouldn't from the start, my argument would be why would he bring it up to begin with? Plus you can backtrack on your words anyway like Grack has regarding not mentioning what he'd vote for) and the whole play with switching me in for you when he was widely townread that didn't make much sense. As for silver not putting me on the mission: At the time when Vivax made the nomination, it was impossible for him to know that. It would be a very big gamble if he were mafia. I don't think these suspicions were loud enough at the time Vivax nominated his mission that he could be reasonably certain he'd be picked for the next mission instead of us but I could be misremembering. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18759 Posts
On February 09 2017 23:00 RtaniSoul wrote: On one hand, I do understand. On the other, I feel like Vivax has made a bunch of plays much less likely to come from a spy than Grack has. Mainly the not putting himself on a mission (you mention he said he wouldn't from the start, my argument would be why would he bring it up to begin with? Plus you can backtrack on your words anyway like Grack has regarding not mentioning what he'd vote for) and the whole play with switching me in for you when he was widely townread that didn't make much sense. As for silver not putting me on the mission: At the time when Vivax made the nomination, it was impossible for him to know that. It would be a very big gamble if he were mafia. I don't think these suspicions were loud enough at the time Vivax nominated his mission that he could be reasonably certain he'd be picked for the next mission instead of us but I could be misremembering. So your answer is practically yes but you don't want to admit it. XD | ||
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sharkie
Austria18759 Posts
I cannot add vivax as he is my prime suspect and if I add Grack the team won't happen anyway. And out of all lazy players super seems the most likely candidate for resistance I guess? | ||
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RtaniSoul
552 Posts
On February 09 2017 23:09 sharkie wrote: So your answer is practically yes but you don't want to admit it. XD It's just the most obvious example. There's a lot of tonal things in there too like the mentioned smugness when he believed he 'caught' the two of us that I've never seen scum Vivax do. It's an easy thing to emulate, sure, but only if you actually think of it. I also don't think I've ever brought it up as a reason to townread him before so it should be valid as he isn't aware it's a towntell until now  | ||
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RtaniSoul
552 Posts
On February 09 2017 23:14 sharkie wrote: Since I am running out of people to add in the team, currently if I had to nominate a team I'd propose: RtaniSoul/Sharkie/Silverika/Super I cannot add vivax as he is my prime suspect and if I add Grack the team won't happen anyway. And out of all lazy players super seems the most likely candidate for resistance I guess? How certain are you that Vivax is the spy over Grack? | ||
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Silverika
United States231 Posts
also grack whats the status of reading those scum games of ours have you reached a conclusion yet? | ||
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