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So is this game gonna go or are we waiting?
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On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:Could you not
lets act like ive never played mafia for a min: why? and i dont want to hear the "oh it narrows PR" crap (yes this is a vaild reason but anyone will argue this). Yes it is sub optimal in general but why are you opposed to it?
also obligatory vote silverwolf
now onto something i want everyone to answer
are you town? how long have you played mafia? do you play elsewhere and if so where? What is your typical play style? how do you scumhunt/townhunt? do you know anyone here that you can read very well?
to answer my own: yes about 4-5 years now on and off now my typical style is to kinda talk to people and interact with others to try to get reads. most times it helps to have someone i know so i can quickly bounce with someone if they are town or lynch them if they are scum (hi silver) kinda said as above, but to summarize it i hunt though interactions most of the time yes, i can read silverwolf very well though watching and having interactions.
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On January 06 2017 09:25 SilverWolf77 wrote: Hi all!!!!
Hi silverwolf! could you answer my questions?
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On January 06 2017 09:26 KelsierSC wrote: weird simultaneous posting
Who?
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On January 06 2017 09:28 Calix wrote: Think he's referring to you and SW.
(ika/ SW know each other IRL iirc)
yup. we live together (ive informed mod before signing up to make sure it was ok) so if one of us is around the other most likely is. and if anyone has concerns: my computer is downstairs and hers is upstairs
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On January 06 2017 09:28 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:27 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:26 KelsierSC wrote: weird simultaneous posting Who? you and silver, probably a coincidence just looked like a planned entrance.
should of quoted you too in it but you can read above
and ppl plz answer the questions i have aksed too
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On January 06 2017 09:33 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:31 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:28 Calix wrote: Think he's referring to you and SW.
(ika/ SW know each other IRL iirc) yup. we live together (ive informed mod before signing up to make sure it was ok) so if one of us is around the other most likely is. and if anyone has concerns: my computer is downstairs and hers is upstairs nice Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:32 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:28 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 09:27 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:26 KelsierSC wrote: weird simultaneous posting Who? you and silver, probably a coincidence just looked like a planned entrance. should of quoted you too in it but you can read above and ppl plz answer the questions i have aksed too im probably not going to answer your questions but I also like to talk to people and then find who mafia is.
why do you not want to answer them? its a great way to talk to people
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On January 06 2017 09:37 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Checking In.Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Could you not lets act like ive never played mafia for a min: why? and i dont want to hear the "oh it narrows PR" crap (yes this is a vaild reason but anyone will argue this). Yes it is sub optimal in general but why are you opposed to it? also obligatory vote silverwolfnow onto something i want everyone to answer are you town? how long have you played mafia? do you play elsewhere and if so where? What is your typical play style? how do you scumhunt/townhunt? do you know anyone here that you can read very well? to answer my own: yes about 4-5 years now on and off now my typical style is to kinda talk to people and interact with others to try to get reads. most times it helps to have someone i know so i can quickly bounce with someone if they are town or lynch them if they are scum (hi silver) kinda said as above, but to summarize it i hunt though interactions most of the time yes, i can read silverwolf very well though watching and having interactions. 1. no 2. back in the day 3. no 4. ? 5. ? 6. nope obligatory qeustion : why the vote ?
its something i do regardless of alignment with silverwolf. its kinda my way of telling her when she reads up to say hi to me so i cna sort her.
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On January 06 2017 09:43 Kmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Could you not lets act like ive never played mafia for a min: why? Oh it's a pretty simple answer. You see Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote: and i dont want to hear the "oh it narrows PR" crap Okay fine I won't tell you.
lol. that made me chuckle
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On January 06 2017 09:44 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:42 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 09:39 Grackaroni wrote: I'll answer the questions.
1) I'm always town. 2) 5 years 3) no 4) spammy 5) We'll have to find out. 6) Probably Calix. What makes you say that re: #6? We've only been in one game before. We've definitely played more than one because in the last game we got in a shit fight. I usually watch the games that I'm not in and the one scum game I saw you play you didn't seem like you were able to match your town play.
when she played on sc2 her scum game was to be more agreebale on everything and more passive
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On January 06 2017 09:48 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:44 ika42 wrote:
its something i do regardless of alignment with silverwolf. its kinda my way of telling her when she reads up to say hi to me so i cna sort her. Hi ika!! I think we vote in a separate thread but not sure? I see one but I also saw where it said to vote in thread.Hopefully, someone will let us know. What kind of info do you think you will get with your questions regarding others alignment? Has it worked well for you in the past to start with these kind of questions?
i jsut checked rules and ya we have to its also fromated like this ##Vote kavdragon (just add bold)
i expect to see how people think and who they think they know. It works on getting a baseline of what and how people play.
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On January 06 2017 10:41 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 10:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:24 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:19 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:16 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:13 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:11 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:10 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:07 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:02 Calix wrote: [quote]
It was the first one that stuck out to me as awkward/ forced.
However I'm interested in your take on 'blendy' answers. well im not making a ground breaking finding but mafia generally try to blend in and make non commital or mimic posts right so they might have thought answering a list of questions which everyone else was doing is a good idea. probably not relevant here as the questionnaire was hardly insightful and i dont want to start a circle jerk with, well you posted 5th so you are scum. the whole exercise got me some good reads so not entirely pointless and now the the game is moving. Nothing is going to be ground-breaking at this point so that qualifier (from DF too in the post above) is 100% unnecessary. I didn't approach the questionnaires like that. The VCA-style "X voter/ poster is scum" thing is useless as a metric. What "good" reads do you have? yo just calm down alright My emotional state is irrelevant to the question. You claim to have reads, I'm asking for them. What's the point of saying "I have reads" and then be stubborn about sharing them? so what I did is I checked the order in which people responded to the questionnaire and the first ones to respond are clear town until we get to the people who were like 4th and onwards who are likely scum. 100% accurate I can't tell whether you're being serious or blowing me off here or both. If it's the former, I'd like to hear the rationale for that. nah not being serious, you just had no chill so it was fun to mess with you a bit. i thought your first post about michael was pretty good so your pretty towny to me. everyone else is suspect though. especially that kmatt dude If you think kmatt is suspect why did you vote Grack? cos silverwolf blew the whole thing wide open with his theory that maybe earlier posting was scum and not later posting. So I perfectly fused the two theories and my calculations said that 4th post was most likely mafia. You want a graph?
i would like to see the said graph
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On January 06 2017 10:47 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 10:44 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:41 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:24 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:19 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:16 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:13 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:11 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:10 Calix wrote: [quote]
Nothing is going to be ground-breaking at this point so that qualifier (from DF too in the post above) is 100% unnecessary.
I didn't approach the questionnaires like that. The VCA-style "X voter/ poster is scum" thing is useless as a metric.
What "good" reads do you have? yo just calm down alright My emotional state is irrelevant to the question. You claim to have reads, I'm asking for them. What's the point of saying "I have reads" and then be stubborn about sharing them? so what I did is I checked the order in which people responded to the questionnaire and the first ones to respond are clear town until we get to the people who were like 4th and onwards who are likely scum. 100% accurate I can't tell whether you're being serious or blowing me off here or both. If it's the former, I'd like to hear the rationale for that. nah not being serious, you just had no chill so it was fun to mess with you a bit. i thought your first post about michael was pretty good so your pretty towny to me. everyone else is suspect though. especially that kmatt dude If you think kmatt is suspect why did you vote Grack? cos silverwolf blew the whole thing wide open with his theory that maybe earlier posting was scum and not later posting. So I perfectly fused the two theories and my calculations said that 4th post was most likely mafia. You want a graph? i would like to see the said graph well i cant draw it because i lost all my pencils but trust me.
got paint on your computer then? it doesnt have to be neat nor do i care if its in pen but i want to see it now just so calix can be banging her head on the wall, just like when she could not use vowels
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On January 06 2017 10:51 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 10:49 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:47 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:44 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:41 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:24 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:19 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:16 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:13 Calix wrote: [quote]
My emotional state is irrelevant to the question.
You claim to have reads, I'm asking for them. What's the point of saying "I have reads" and then be stubborn about sharing them? so what I did is I checked the order in which people responded to the questionnaire and the first ones to respond are clear town until we get to the people who were like 4th and onwards who are likely scum. 100% accurate I can't tell whether you're being serious or blowing me off here or both. If it's the former, I'd like to hear the rationale for that. nah not being serious, you just had no chill so it was fun to mess with you a bit. i thought your first post about michael was pretty good so your pretty towny to me. everyone else is suspect though. especially that kmatt dude If you think kmatt is suspect why did you vote Grack? cos silverwolf blew the whole thing wide open with his theory that maybe earlier posting was scum and not later posting. So I perfectly fused the two theories and my calculations said that 4th post was most likely mafia. You want a graph? i would like to see the said graph well i cant draw it because i lost all my pencils but trust me. got paint on your computer then? it doesnt have to be neat nor do i care if its in pen but i want to see it now just so calix can be banging her head on the wall, just like when she could not use vowels yeh but then i have to upload it to imgur or somethign and paste the link its too much hassle.
but, but graphs....
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On January 06 2017 10:53 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 10:49 KelsierSC wrote: hey dont back out now or all my calculations will be wrong.
Don't forget to carry the one. Very important.
OMG.......
im cracking up right now....
also in about an hr ill be gone, i am doing remodel at work
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On January 06 2017 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 10:57 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:55 KelsierSC wrote:
so how you reading ika atm? Slight townread based on posting the questions to get us talking and his activity and interest in the game so far. But he may be just copying his town meta so I'm keeping an eye on him still. yeh...like if i was you that is what I would be thinking if I was town. i have to go into work tomorrow unfortunately but only for like 1hr so should be on tomorrow. I know it seems like i've just been jerking off in the thread, and whilst this is true I think Calix, silver and ika are probably town and everyone else is kind of blegh. Grak is mafia though, im pretty happy with my vote at the moment.
This post gets my vote.
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On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:43 Calix wrote: I sense I'll have an aneurysm at this rate.
DF, you seem sensible. What else have you noticed so far? I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted. His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful. Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes?
how come you are acting like i am town?
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On January 06 2017 15:50 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:43 Calix wrote: I sense I'll have an aneurysm at this rate.
DF, you seem sensible. What else have you noticed so far? I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off I've seen people use Random Questioning Stage as a thing on other sites so I'm not sure why people treat that as AI.
I think its more of that "im new player so what i do must be AI"
i mean RQS is porb better then RVS for first time game here but *shrug*
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On January 06 2017 15:53 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote: Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This post pings me but I can't really figure out why. Like he posts this 2-4 hours-ish into the game and starts off by apologising for not being around here earlier which is pretty weird for town to do. I can't imagine myself saying sorry for something as a first post kind of deal so I don't get why he would is what I'm getting at.
for someone who uses logic, your using a gut read here.
it it more just a guess or more of a "well i would not do this" thing?
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On January 06 2017 16:30 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:43 Calix wrote: I sense I'll have an aneurysm at this rate.
DF, you seem sensible. What else have you noticed so far? I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted. His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful. Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. I don't agree with this assessment. DF's initial read of ika (or whatever you want to call it) doesn't look like it's intended to 'smear' him since he notes it's a fee-fees kind of read. imo smears tend to be more logical so that people are more likely to agree with them. AFK, work and stuff.
but on the same account, if you leave a vauge statement as such, you can sometimes get others to fill in the info for you. I would like to hear more elaboration or if anything of my recent posting will change that but I would like to see where he takes it more.
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On January 06 2017 19:56 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
This is true of many people so why is onegu the vote?
Who is this true to? I dislike blanket statements like this.
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On January 06 2017 22:35 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote: Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little?
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This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand.
Fend yourself, Foley. Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted. His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful. Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude. It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol. It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. Yea scum try to appear useful. This is why I focused on ika compared to someone like Onegu. Ika started the game with this useful looking questionnaire thing that everyone agrees is NAI for everyone-- but it gets people talking! Since that post it's basically been chummy with KSC and SW. I just feel like everything else in this game could've happened without using the questionnaire, which reminds me of the "appearance of utility" meta point. Do you have any opinion of Grack or Calix atm?
is that last part directed at me or vivak? cus you reference me in here but im not sure if its a direct at me due to me being here.
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On January 06 2017 09:44 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:42 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 09:39 Grackaroni wrote: I'll answer the questions.
1) I'm always town. 2) 5 years 3) no 4) spammy 5) We'll have to find out. 6) Probably Calix. What makes you say that re: #6? We've only been in one game before. We've definitely played more than one because in the last game we got in a shit fight. I usually watch the games that I'm not in and the one scum game I saw you play you didn't seem like you were able to match your town play.
can you link me this game?
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On January 06 2017 22:42 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 22:40 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 22:35 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote: [quote]
Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude. It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol. It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. Yea scum try to appear useful. This is why I focused on ika compared to someone like Onegu. Ika started the game with this useful looking questionnaire thing that everyone agrees is NAI for everyone-- but it gets people talking! Since that post it's basically been chummy with KSC and SW. I just feel like everything else in this game could've happened without using the questionnaire, which reminds me of the "appearance of utility" meta point. Do you have any opinion of Grack or Calix atm? is that last part directed at me or vivak? cus you reference me in here but im not sure if its a direct at me due to me being here. Nah that's towards Vivax. I posted that at the same time as you did your flurry of recent posts. Speaking of which, what do you make of Vivax so far?
null scum the post he made here:
On January 06 2017 13:38 Vivax wrote:I like these questions. Just the first is pointless, insert generic yes. Don't think anything related to them deserves to be alignment indicative, but it's a nice way of getting to know new faces, Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote: are you town? zzz.
how long have you played mafia? 6-7 years, I think?
do you play elsewhere and if so where? Town of Salem when I want a quick casual game where I can execute people in jail.
What is your typical play style? Agreeable and low activity as scum and abrasive, sometimes spammy as town.
how do you scumhunt/townhunt? That doesn't fit in a questionnaire. do you know anyone here that you can read very well? Nah no one in the dead sure category.
is what sticks out to me right now. He goes "oh NAI stuff, let me claim its NAI and answer it" but the bigger thing is what is bolded. The way hes putting it out there (oh jsut punch in yes) feels like a guilty conscious of "well i'm scum who needs to put in generic sounding yes" cus i could of said to mine (or anyone for that matter) "why yes i am town", "lol, ya im town", hell someone could even say "nah im miller" or "im scum you got me"
like i've asked that dozens of times and gotten anything from someone claiming to be a citizen (VT) to a jester who needs to be lynched by specific people.
do i make sense? I kinda streamlined it
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On January 06 2017 22:56 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 22:28 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:43 Calix wrote: I sense I'll have an aneurysm at this rate.
DF, you seem sensible. What else have you noticed so far? I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted. His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful. Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? how come you are acting like i am town? How does that question have anything to do with your alignment? Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 22:35 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote: [quote]
Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted.
His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful.
Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude. It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol. It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. Yea scum try to appear useful. This is why I focused on ika compared to someone like Onegu. Ika started the game with this useful looking questionnaire thing that everyone agrees is NAI for everyone-- but it gets people talking! Since that post it's basically been chummy with KSC and SW. I just feel like everything else in this game could've happened without using the questionnaire, which reminds me of the "appearance of utility" meta point. Do you have any opinion of Grack or Calix atm? Grack no opinion yet, as for calix I just let her do her thing as she's active and keeps delivering her view of the game. Right now I'm mostly waiting for you and Kelsier to post more as your posts are what I'm concentrating the most on at the moment. So do you actually believe you have something on ika or not? That he tried to appear useful with the questionnaire is I think not an argument you mentioned earlier.
i asked you a question, i do not expect a question in return. I expect an answer. If you have a question after that then you can ask.
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On January 06 2017 23:01 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 22:48 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 22:42 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 22:40 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 22:35 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote: [quote]
But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude. It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol. It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. Yea scum try to appear useful. This is why I focused on ika compared to someone like Onegu. Ika started the game with this useful looking questionnaire thing that everyone agrees is NAI for everyone-- but it gets people talking! Since that post it's basically been chummy with KSC and SW. I just feel like everything else in this game could've happened without using the questionnaire, which reminds me of the "appearance of utility" meta point. Do you have any opinion of Grack or Calix atm? is that last part directed at me or vivak? cus you reference me in here but im not sure if its a direct at me due to me being here. Nah that's towards Vivax. I posted that at the same time as you did your flurry of recent posts. Speaking of which, what do you make of Vivax so far? null scum the post he made here: On January 06 2017 13:38 Vivax wrote:I like these questions. Just the first is pointless, insert generic yes. Don't think anything related to them deserves to be alignment indicative, but it's a nice way of getting to know new faces, On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote: are you town? zzz.
how long have you played mafia? 6-7 years, I think?
do you play elsewhere and if so where? Town of Salem when I want a quick casual game where I can execute people in jail.
What is your typical play style? Agreeable and low activity as scum and abrasive, sometimes spammy as town.
how do you scumhunt/townhunt? That doesn't fit in a questionnaire. do you know anyone here that you can read very well? Nah no one in the dead sure category.
is what sticks out to me right now. He goes "oh NAI stuff, let me claim its NAI and answer it" but the bigger thing is what is bolded. The way hes putting it out there (oh jsut punch in yes) feels like a guilty conscious of "well i'm scum who needs to put in generic sounding yes" cus i could of said to mine (or anyone for that matter) "why yes i am town", "lol, ya im town", hell someone could even say "nah im miller" or "im scum you got me" like i've asked that dozens of times and gotten anything from someone claiming to be a citizen (VT) to a jester who needs to be lynched by specific people. do i make sense? I kinda streamlined it So I'm supposed to have felt inherently guilty cause I knew that it's a question everyone can only answer with yes and if they don't, then they can just say they were joking? You do have some fantasy.
Here it is again, your basicly stapling the idea that the only "correct" answer is yes. Its not a matter of what you "knew" as you are saying, its more a matter of how. If someone came in and said "nah im scum" would you lynch them? If someon came in and claimed "nah im jester" or "no im the sk that does not exist" what would you do?
its not a fantasy and the fact your not even really directly refuting it and instead kinda discrediting it to an extent by calling it a fantasy is only strengthening the belief.
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On January 06 2017 23:10 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:07 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 22:56 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 22:28 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote: [quote]
I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted. His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful. Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? how come you are acting like i am town? How does that question have anything to do with your alignment? On January 06 2017 22:35 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote: [quote]
I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol
But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude. It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol. It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. Yea scum try to appear useful. This is why I focused on ika compared to someone like Onegu. Ika started the game with this useful looking questionnaire thing that everyone agrees is NAI for everyone-- but it gets people talking! Since that post it's basically been chummy with KSC and SW. I just feel like everything else in this game could've happened without using the questionnaire, which reminds me of the "appearance of utility" meta point. Do you have any opinion of Grack or Calix atm? Grack no opinion yet, as for calix I just let her do her thing as she's active and keeps delivering her view of the game. Right now I'm mostly waiting for you and Kelsier to post more as your posts are what I'm concentrating the most on at the moment. So do you actually believe you have something on ika or not? That he tried to appear useful with the questionnaire is I think not an argument you mentioned earlier. i asked you a question, i do not expect a question in return. I expect an answer. If you have a question after that then you can ask. Your question already implies that I guessed your alignment, which is wrong, so it can't be answered. Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:07 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:43 Calix wrote: I sense I'll have an aneurysm at this rate.
DF, you seem sensible. What else have you noticed so far? I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Vivax-Why are you defending ika so early in the game? Suspecting someone doesn't mean I'm defending his scumreads, which you are assuming I do.
Your posting and how you are treating me acts like you know im town. I mean the way you are going about it holds like no paranoia of me so it is concerning and i would like for you to address it.
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FYI, i have been working overnights at work for remodle. Im tired and gonna pass out for a few hrs.
I am off today and sat though so sat will prob be when im most around.
Night everyone (even though its 8:26 in the morn)
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On January 06 2017 23:26 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 21:29 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 19:56 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
This is true of many people so why is onegu the vote? I guessed that's just his way of doing things, ie judging people by perceived usefulness/compliance. And 1gu really looks like he's doing the least, which sadly isn't alignment indicative. BTDT still has to post but when he does it's usually a lot. There's a townie simplicity to Bostons posts, but that's just a first impression, and of course it's just an early read. Still need a grasp of how much he is actually following the game given he claims to have read and reread it and even took notes. Just voting 1gu doesn't give much info. I don't like this post. Why are you answering for Boston? It's a simple question that he can answer by himself. And why explain your answer in enough depth that you even say why Boston might not have picked BTDT? (assuming that's why you brought up BTDT anyway) I also feel that your read on Boston does the over-explaining thing as well because you bring up all the minor things he has done so far.
its called garcia. a common tactic by scum that they use to make themselfs look like they are doing something
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On January 06 2017 23:40 Vivax wrote: I don't have a read on ika so far and I don't need to have one to question darthfoley's read on him.
Why do you have no read on me and why are you not trying to fix that? and while you dont need one, it makes little sense to continue the questioning of someone you have at null.
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On January 07 2017 00:31 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 00:02 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 23:40 Vivax wrote: I don't have a read on ika so far and I don't need to have one to question darthfoley's read on him. No, you don't have to have a read on ika to say darthfoley's read on him is bad. I agree. The problem I have is the way you are doing it. Basically, ika no longer has to answer the suspicion because you interjected. Not only interjected but also defended ika by asking if darthfoley has his meta and implying that ika's questions are not scummy. You have a right to have an opinion on ika's questioning but the way you are doing it is very protective of ika. If you have no read of ika, this doesn't make much sense. I guess my gut just pinged hard off of that and also I think you interjected when someone was questioning someone else-I think Calix pointed this out already. Anyway, from my experience, scum like to do this because they get towncred for defending people they know are town. It's way too early to have a super strong opinion on someone's alignment, unless you know that alignment. Doesn't mean we can't have reads. We certainly can. But when I would of preferred to see ika answer the suspicion and engage with darth rather than have you interject. Sorry if I'm not explaining myself well. I'm tired and rambling right now. Be back in a little bit. Ika has to answer the suspicion if you, or anyone else for that matter, make him feel like he has to.In your opinion I made him feel like he didn't have to cause I defended him by suspecting darthfoley. Well, I can and will voice my suspicion when I think I found something worthwhile and darthfoley can take his time to reply whenever he wants, just as ika can answer to darthfoley whenever he wants. So I don't think I hindered the scumhunting of someone in any way by doing my own. If you really think that darthfoley's line of thought was so worth it and cause of me, a hypothetical mafia ika got off the hook, you can still always ask ika about it yourself. But you rather saw it as important to reprimand me/call me mafia, not sure what it is yet.
Heres the thing though, questioning DF and how you go about it is basically abolishing me of what is being asked ever because you are in essence answering for me which gives the implication that you know me or think i am town.
So again, want to explain why a town person would want to do such thing when they have no read on the other person? I have several reason on why but i want to hear yours
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On January 07 2017 01:48 Vivax wrote: So far you and Ika both asked such loaded questions that already imply I did something I did not. Obviously you're not going to get a nice answer to "Do you always beat your wife" type of questions.
Its not really loaded when the way you are going about it has the implication that I am town to begin with. As i am catching up i don't really see a reason on why I am still null nor why you have not really talked to me about anything
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On January 07 2017 01:57 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 01:54 Vivax wrote:On January 07 2017 01:52 Calix wrote:On January 07 2017 01:48 Vivax wrote: So far you and Ika both asked such loaded questions that already imply I did something I did not. Obviously you're not going to get a nice answer to "Do you always beat your wife" type of questions. Your point? If you ask shitty questions you get shitty answers If you think playing 20 questions sucks then I'll let you do something else. I'd rather take a nap or something than have a lengthy discussion tbh lol.
Calix why are you backing down? I find it odd your not being aggressive on this front and instead dropping this
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On January 07 2017 02:01 Vivax wrote: Should be a when*
Anyway.
I keep thinking it'd be cool if more people posted, this feels a lot like a clash between overeager townies which is what happens 80 % of the time in the average game of mafia.
I also feel a bit troubled by ika and Silver actually living together cause they had little interaction at the start of the game, but then it wore off quickly.
And Silver was very eager to jump at me for apparently defending ika. And ika brought ahead a similar argument where he said I was too sure of him being town.
Point being, they might have a common playstyle being a couple or whatever, and I don't really know how that plays out since they're new here. It did kinda feel concertated how they were bombarding me with accusations back there.
But it's just feels
I will say our playstyles do have similarity and some differences. Something we do a lot is defend each other if we think the other is town or feel like they are being attacked on weak reasoning. I know silver uses my interactions with others all the time to get reads just as i watch hers.
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On January 07 2017 09:38 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 09:36 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 01:57 Calix wrote:On January 07 2017 01:54 Vivax wrote:On January 07 2017 01:52 Calix wrote:On January 07 2017 01:48 Vivax wrote: So far you and Ika both asked such loaded questions that already imply I did something I did not. Obviously you're not going to get a nice answer to "Do you always beat your wife" type of questions. Your point? If you ask shitty questions you get shitty answers If you think playing 20 questions sucks then I'll let you do something else. I'd rather take a nap or something than have a lengthy discussion tbh lol. Calix why are you backing down? I find it odd your not being aggressive on this front and instead dropping this Also a good point
Do yuo have anything that you want me to look into while i catch up? Am i still a null-scum read or such? have you posted a read list on players? if so could you make the post number and ill reference it as i catch up?
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On January 07 2017 02:49 darthfoley wrote: I really want to hear more from the other vets, or noobs idc because the last few games I have played we've just mislynched town D1 for wrong reasons by focusing on one topic --> one wagon. It feels kind of off that only 4-5 people are participating in this discussion in any way right now
oddly enough, i don't have much on the notes of the noobs (outside of silverwolf).
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On January 07 2017 04:56 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:37 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 23:33 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 23:32 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 23:10 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 23:07 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 22:56 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 22:28 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote: [quote]
I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol
But you have seen ikas meta yes? how come you are acting like i am town? How does that question have anything to do with your alignment? On January 06 2017 22:35 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote: [quote]
She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude.
It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol.
It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. Yea scum try to appear useful. This is why I focused on ika compared to someone like Onegu. Ika started the game with this useful looking questionnaire thing that everyone agrees is NAI for everyone-- but it gets people talking! Since that post it's basically been chummy with KSC and SW. I just feel like everything else in this game could've happened without using the questionnaire, which reminds me of the "appearance of utility" meta point. Do you have any opinion of Grack or Calix atm? Grack no opinion yet, as for calix I just let her do her thing as she's active and keeps delivering her view of the game. Right now I'm mostly waiting for you and Kelsier to post more as your posts are what I'm concentrating the most on at the moment. So do you actually believe you have something on ika or not? That he tried to appear useful with the questionnaire is I think not an argument you mentioned earlier. i asked you a question, i do not expect a question in return. I expect an answer. If you have a question after that then you can ask. Your question already implies that I guessed your alignment, which is wrong, so it can't be answered. On January 06 2017 23:07 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:43 Calix wrote: I sense I'll have an aneurysm at this rate.
DF, you seem sensible. What else have you noticed so far? I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Vivax-Why are you defending ika so early in the game? Suspecting someone doesn't mean I'm defending his scumreads, which you are assuming I do. When you are interjecting yourself into a person's suspicion of someone else, without letting him scumhunt ika, then that means you think ika is town. Otherwise, you would want ika to respond first to get a read on him. I get going after someone for having what you think is a bad read on someone else, but this is spending too much time defending a person who you have not even given an opinion on yet but are acting like he's town. I would like your read on ika. Is he town or not and why? So right now you're interjecting in my suspicion on foley and hence townreading him? You should have realized by now that it's not how this is going to work. And you should realize by now that your constant deflection and this kind of attitude doesn't work with me at all. I don't see how you can be town so I'm gonna go ahead and place my vote here. You don't see how he can be town? I see you did vote for him. Can you elaborate what makes you feel this way for a more oblivious individual such as myself.
Do you see it as town?
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On January 07 2017 06:00 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 05:56 Kmatt wrote:On January 07 2017 05:50 Calix wrote: That depends on the player re: judging whether reads are gut calls or not.
1. So active-lurking? I kinda like the way you worded your Boston read with the "if he used that as pressure" part because it shows you're thinking about scenarios in some level of depth.
2. Why did you bring in KSC's opinion of Grack in your read? This would make sense if you were town-reading KSC a lot and going "well I think he's being genuine with his Grack read" or something but you're gut-reading KSC as town so that's not applicable.
3. To clarify, when I say I like/ dislike something, that's synonymous with a town/ scum lean.
4. Noted.
5. I wasn't aware that you were the type to just focus on one scum-read at a time. I remember your last game where you were hunting for three players in a 2-mafia save - what changed with regards to your mentality?
6. You don't have to ask stuff unless you want to clarify matters, just state your reads and let the people respond to them. Much better approach than grilling every single player. I have to do something but to answer 5: that was a combination of misreading the OP and having 3 potential scum at the time. I'm not bound to force more reads than I see. Right now I only see one and various degrees of ambiguity. If I had multiple deliberate scumreads I would announce it as well as whichever one is a higher priority. When you say stuff like this, it makes me wonder if I'm even talking to the same person as last game. Pretty annoying since I now can't compare your play with previous games with much confidence.
why not? and link to that game? whats different?
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On January 07 2017 06:31 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 22:25 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:57 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:55 KelsierSC wrote:
so how you reading ika atm? Slight townread based on posting the questions to get us talking and his activity and interest in the game so far. But he may be just copying his town meta so I'm keeping an eye on him still. yeh...like if i was you that is what I would be thinking if I was town. i have to go into work tomorrow unfortunately but only for like 1hr so should be on tomorrow. I know it seems like i've just been jerking off in the thread, and whilst this is true I think Calix, silver and ika are probably town and everyone else is kind of blegh. Grak is mafia though, im pretty happy with my vote at the moment. This post gets my vote. ika, when you get on, can you explain this vote? Why does this post make you scumread KelsierSC?
the bolded part, he refers to himself in that part and says "if i was town" so i see it that he is saying hes not town. And for the previous i read it as separate compared to the bolded.
the reason why i didn't jump it out sooner is i wanted someone to ask and see if others would see it before i said it
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On January 07 2017 07:58 Grackaroni wrote:I think Vivax's posts have been really townie. Of the active players I think that DF is the most likely one to be scum. Parts of his opening seem awkward to me like he is trying too hard. Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 10:04 darthfoley wrote: Salutations friends! May the odds be ever in our favor because we have such wonderful mods! Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 10:19 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:16 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:13 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:11 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:10 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:07 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:02 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:01 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 09:53 Calix wrote: [quote]
I'm flagging up this post because I think it's a possible example of an inexperienced scum player struggling to enter the thread. I didn't even notice this dude had posted.
- Using an easy way of entering the thread (via questionnaire thing) to make a post which doesn't tell us anything - Adds a completely useless question about the vote (the 'obligatory' part pings me here) - Does nothing afterwards he was one of the first questionnaire responses though , want to look at all the late answers who thought they had best fill one out so they didnt stick out. It was the first one that stuck out to me as awkward/ forced. However I'm interested in your take on 'blendy' answers. well im not making a ground breaking finding but mafia generally try to blend in and make non commital or mimic posts right so they might have thought answering a list of questions which everyone else was doing is a good idea. probably not relevant here as the questionnaire was hardly insightful and i dont want to start a circle jerk with, well you posted 5th so you are scum. the whole exercise got me some good reads so not entirely pointless and now the the game is moving. Nothing is going to be ground-breaking at this point so that qualifier (from DF too in the post above) is 100% unnecessary. I didn't approach the questionnaires like that. The VCA-style "X voter/ poster is scum" thing is useless as a metric. What "good" reads do you have? yo just calm down alright My emotional state is irrelevant to the question. You claim to have reads, I'm asking for them. What's the point of saying "I have reads" and then be stubborn about sharing them? so what I did is I checked the order in which people responded to the questionnaire and the first ones to respond are clear town until we get to the people who were like 4th and onwards who are likely scum. 100% accurate So what does that mean in terms of practicality? Name, give the me wretched name! Obligatory + Show Spoiler + I also think that Vivax may have a point that he could have been trying to push out a read on ika to impress since he said that he didn't like ika making trolly posts and then proceeded to make a few of his own. Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 15:11 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:52 Calix wrote: I am too tired to bang my head against the wall since it's 2am.
I won't be very active until late afternoon/ evening or so but that doesn't matter. My low-activity play is ten times better than most people's normal play.
Goodnight! Great excuse for OMGUS (omg u suck) later on if you're scum! Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 15:13 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 11:16 Grackaroni wrote:On January 06 2017 10:04 darthfoley wrote: Salutations friends! May the odds be ever in our favor because we have such wonderful mods! This isn't a bastard game silly. You should have offered favors in the pregame like I did. Favors, you say? $5 for an hj $10 for a bj $15 for a zj
what about them is town?
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On January 07 2017 08:39 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:42 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:40 Onegu wrote:On January 06 2017 09:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Why? Why not? Because it's anti-town. But maybe you guys do things different here. Who knows? Why is it anti town?
why is it pro-town?
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On January 07 2017 09:43 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 09:39 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 09:38 darthfoley wrote:On January 07 2017 09:36 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 01:57 Calix wrote:On January 07 2017 01:54 Vivax wrote:On January 07 2017 01:52 Calix wrote:On January 07 2017 01:48 Vivax wrote: So far you and Ika both asked such loaded questions that already imply I did something I did not. Obviously you're not going to get a nice answer to "Do you always beat your wife" type of questions. Your point? If you ask shitty questions you get shitty answers If you think playing 20 questions sucks then I'll let you do something else. I'd rather take a nap or something than have a lengthy discussion tbh lol. Calix why are you backing down? I find it odd your not being aggressive on this front and instead dropping this Also a good point Do yuo have anything that you want me to look into while i catch up? Am i still a null-scum read or such? have you posted a read list on players? if so could you make the post number and ill reference it as i catch up? Town leans: SW, Calix, you Scum leans: ME, Kelsier I'm waiting for certain people to come into the thread and interact before I feel more confident in what I think
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so now that im caught up heres my read list that i have compiled
1) reps)squishy - null 2) Kmatt -null 3) MichaelEhrmantraut -null 4) ika42 -town 5) SilverWolf77 - town 6) B0stonSC - newb town
Vets 1) beentheredonethat - null 2) Grackaroni- null 3) KelsierSC - scum 4) Onegu - claims VT 5) darthfoley - town lean 6) Calix -null 7) Vivax - scum lean
i have way too many nulls for my liking overall.
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On January 07 2017 10:02 ika42 wrote: so now that im caught up heres my read list that i have compiled
1) reps)squishy - sligth town 2) Kmatt - slight town 3) MichaelEhrmantraut - lean scum 4) ika42 -town 5) SilverWolf77 - town 6) B0stonSC - -null
Vets 1) beentheredonethat - null 2) Grackaroni- null 3) KelsierSC - scum 4) Onegu - claims VT 5) darthfoley - town lean 6) Calix -null 7) Vivax - scum lean
i have way too many nulls for my liking overall.
updated after running iso on the newbs
im gonna get food bbl
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On January 07 2017 10:27 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 09:56 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 07:58 Grackaroni wrote:I think Vivax's posts have been really townie. Of the active players I think that DF is the most likely one to be scum. Parts of his opening seem awkward to me like he is trying too hard. On January 06 2017 10:04 darthfoley wrote: Salutations friends! May the odds be ever in our favor because we have such wonderful mods! On January 06 2017 10:19 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:16 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:13 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:11 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:10 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:07 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:02 Calix wrote: [quote]
It was the first one that stuck out to me as awkward/ forced.
However I'm interested in your take on 'blendy' answers. well im not making a ground breaking finding but mafia generally try to blend in and make non commital or mimic posts right so they might have thought answering a list of questions which everyone else was doing is a good idea. probably not relevant here as the questionnaire was hardly insightful and i dont want to start a circle jerk with, well you posted 5th so you are scum. the whole exercise got me some good reads so not entirely pointless and now the the game is moving. Nothing is going to be ground-breaking at this point so that qualifier (from DF too in the post above) is 100% unnecessary. I didn't approach the questionnaires like that. The VCA-style "X voter/ poster is scum" thing is useless as a metric. What "good" reads do you have? yo just calm down alright My emotional state is irrelevant to the question. You claim to have reads, I'm asking for them. What's the point of saying "I have reads" and then be stubborn about sharing them? so what I did is I checked the order in which people responded to the questionnaire and the first ones to respond are clear town until we get to the people who were like 4th and onwards who are likely scum. 100% accurate So what does that mean in terms of practicality? Name, give the me wretched name! Obligatory + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC_jddH_0MI I also think that Vivax may have a point that he could have been trying to push out a read on ika to impress since he said that he didn't like ika making trolly posts and then proceeded to make a few of his own. On January 06 2017 15:11 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:52 Calix wrote: I am too tired to bang my head against the wall since it's 2am.
I won't be very active until late afternoon/ evening or so but that doesn't matter. My low-activity play is ten times better than most people's normal play.
Goodnight! Great excuse for OMGUS (omg u suck) later on if you're scum! On January 06 2017 15:13 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 11:16 Grackaroni wrote:On January 06 2017 10:04 darthfoley wrote: Salutations friends! May the odds be ever in our favor because we have such wonderful mods! This isn't a bastard game silly. You should have offered favors in the pregame like I did. Favors, you say? $5 for an hj $10 for a bj $15 for a zj what about them is town? I liked his pressure on DF and I've liked all of his responses to being pressured. Really I don't see a single meh post in the bunch.
explain using his posts and why they are town.
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On January 07 2017 11:05 Grackaroni wrote: Which of your posts are townie? Can you tell me why they are townie?
Love the avoiding of my question and instead deflect it back to me.
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On January 07 2017 11:21 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 11:19 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:05 Grackaroni wrote: Which of your posts are townie? Can you tell me why they are townie? Love the avoiding of my question and instead deflect it back to me. It goes straight to the heart of the question. If you cannot quote some posts to prove yourself town to me then surely I cannot do so to convince you that Vivax is town I've already given an answer that I find satisfactory. I like the effort he's putting into the game. I like the angles that he's pushing. I like his attitude and response to being pressured.
i asked first so burden of proof is on you.
Also the question you are asking is not the same as what i am asking. You are asking em to prove I am town not somebody else. My question is asking you to prove your read on someone else not yourself.
Again, show me posts that show the efforts and angles you are talking about. Otherwise i will say your fabricating the read on him.
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On January 07 2017 11:21 Grackaroni wrote: Now I leave you to your task if you would like further explanation
"I cant prove what i said so im going to make someone else do work so i can stall"
nice to know grack is scum
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On January 07 2017 11:26 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 11:25 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:21 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:19 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:05 Grackaroni wrote: Which of your posts are townie? Can you tell me why they are townie? Love the avoiding of my question and instead deflect it back to me. It goes straight to the heart of the question. If you cannot quote some posts to prove yourself town to me then surely I cannot do so to convince you that Vivax is town I've already given an answer that I find satisfactory. I like the effort he's putting into the game. I like the angles that he's pushing. I like his attitude and response to being pressured. i asked first so burden of proof is on you. Also the question you are asking is not the same as what i am asking. You are asking em to prove I am town not somebody else. My question is asking you to prove your read on someone else not yourself. Again, show me posts that show the efforts and angles you are talking about. Otherwise i will say your fabricating the read on him. Then I will alter the task. Prove to me that Silverwolf is town.
Answer mine first, the burden of proof is on you. Also IIRC you have already called her town so i question your reason for a pointless task.
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On January 07 2017 11:32 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 11:29 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:26 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:25 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:21 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:19 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:05 Grackaroni wrote: Which of your posts are townie? Can you tell me why they are townie? Love the avoiding of my question and instead deflect it back to me. It goes straight to the heart of the question. If you cannot quote some posts to prove yourself town to me then surely I cannot do so to convince you that Vivax is town I've already given an answer that I find satisfactory. I like the effort he's putting into the game. I like the angles that he's pushing. I like his attitude and response to being pressured. i asked first so burden of proof is on you. Also the question you are asking is not the same as what i am asking. You are asking em to prove I am town not somebody else. My question is asking you to prove your read on someone else not yourself. Again, show me posts that show the efforts and angles you are talking about. Otherwise i will say your fabricating the read on him. Then I will alter the task. Prove to me that Silverwolf is town. Answer mine first, the burden of proof is on you. Also IIRC you have already called her town so i question your reason for a pointless task. I'm doing this because my read isn't based off of any one post. I find the task stupid. And if you show your quotes for silverwolf being town then I will show why I think so by applying the exact same things you say to Vivax. Anything that you can say to call her townie could be equally applied to him.
I know its not based on one post. I dont need you quoting the entire ISO i want just a few that explain why it makes you think its town.
Also you are now setting up an out on how to read his post by me doing silverwolfs iso so now i really want to see it. You also keep avoiding the fact that burden of proof is on you to show us why hes town cus nobody else seems to have said as much right now about him so if you want to convince to me that hes town show me your work. Many have also called silverwolf town as well but not vix so there must be something different in the view of others.
Taking it further, if thats the case, you should have no problem doing it if it can apply to silverwolf herself cus that would explain 2 reads at once would it not?
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On January 07 2017 11:56 Kmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 11:52 Grackaroni wrote:+ Show Spoiler +The following posts are Grack approved posts for reasons that Grackaroni has specified in earlier posts. On January 06 2017 09:19 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:16 KelsierSC wrote: well this start is shit tier, where dem boyz at? Seen a bunch of people flip mafia who complained about the state of the game at the start of the game, in my lifetime. Tempts me to find out if this is the case again. On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:43 Calix wrote: I sense I'll have an aneurysm at this rate.
DF, you seem sensible. What else have you noticed so far? I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote: [quote]
I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted. His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful. Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude. It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol. It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. On January 06 2017 21:29 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 19:56 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
This is true of many people so why is onegu the vote? I guessed that's just his way of doing things, ie judging people by perceived usefulness/compliance. And 1gu really looks like he's doing the least, which sadly isn't alignment indicative. BTDT still has to post but when he does it's usually a lot. There's a townie simplicity to Bostons posts, but that's just a first impression, and of course it's just an early read. Still need a grasp of how much he is actually following the game given he claims to have read and reread it and even took notes. Just voting 1gu doesn't give much info. On January 06 2017 23:25 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:18 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote: [quote]
I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted. His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful. Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. WTF? Why is ika hard town to you? And don't say he's not cuz no way would you defend him like this unless you are town who believes he's town or scum trying to get towncred if he's town. There's always a chance you are scumbuddies too with this attitude. So why are you townreading him? Let me adopt your logic for a moment: "Why are you scumreading Ika, silverwolf. Where did you scumread Ika huh?" By your logic, right now you would be scumreading Ika cause you are attacking my townread on him. But that's wrong! I can perfectly question someone's means of reading someone without having a read on that someone. Questioning the method is not the same as questioning the outcome. On January 06 2017 23:31 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:26 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 21:29 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 19:56 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
This is true of many people so why is onegu the vote? I guessed that's just his way of doing things, ie judging people by perceived usefulness/compliance. And 1gu really looks like he's doing the least, which sadly isn't alignment indicative. BTDT still has to post but when he does it's usually a lot. There's a townie simplicity to Bostons posts, but that's just a first impression, and of course it's just an early read. Still need a grasp of how much he is actually following the game given he claims to have read and reread it and even took notes. Just voting 1gu doesn't give much info. I don't like this post. Why are you answering for Boston? It's a simple question that he can answer by himself. And why explain your answer in enough depth that you even say why Boston might not have picked BTDT? (assuming that's why you brought up BTDT anyway) I also feel that your read on Boston does the over-explaining thing as well because you bring up all the minor things he has done so far. Yes I gave a read on a player while Kelsier was around to talk about him. Such scum. On January 07 2017 00:31 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 00:02 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 23:40 Vivax wrote: I don't have a read on ika so far and I don't need to have one to question darthfoley's read on him. No, you don't have to have a read on ika to say darthfoley's read on him is bad. I agree. The problem I have is the way you are doing it. Basically, ika no longer has to answer the suspicion because you interjected. Not only interjected but also defended ika by asking if darthfoley has his meta and implying that ika's questions are not scummy. You have a right to have an opinion on ika's questioning but the way you are doing it is very protective of ika. If you have no read of ika, this doesn't make much sense. I guess my gut just pinged hard off of that and also I think you interjected when someone was questioning someone else-I think Calix pointed this out already. Anyway, from my experience, scum like to do this because they get towncred for defending people they know are town. It's way too early to have a super strong opinion on someone's alignment, unless you know that alignment. Doesn't mean we can't have reads. We certainly can. But when I would of preferred to see ika answer the suspicion and engage with darth rather than have you interject. Sorry if I'm not explaining myself well. I'm tired and rambling right now. Be back in a little bit. Ika has to answer the suspicion if you, or anyone else for that matter, make him feel like he has to. In your opinion I made him feel like he didn't have to cause I defended him by suspecting darthfoley. Well, I can and will voice my suspicion when I think I found something worthwhile and darthfoley can take his time to reply whenever he wants, just as ika can answer to darthfoley whenever he wants. So I don't think I hindered the scumhunting of someone in any way by doing my own. If you really think that darthfoley's line of thought was so worth it and cause of me, a hypothetical mafia ika got off the hook, you can still always ask ika about it yourself. But you rather saw it as important to reprimand me/call me mafia, not sure what it is yet. On January 07 2017 01:17 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 01:12 SilverWolf77 wrote: No, it isn't that I think darthfoley's suspicion of ika is worth it.
It's more that I saw you defending two people who you don't have a townread on. By saying B0stonSC just does things that way is a defense of him before he can even answer the question directed at him. You asking darth if he has ika's meta looked like a defense of ika.
Also, In response to my suspicion, you deflected or tried to discredit rather than just explaining yourself further.
That said, giving your own opinion of B0stonSC's opening or your own opinion of darth's read on ika as fake is totally valid and not scummy to me at all.
There's a difference between discrediting and trying to expose why your reasoning is wrong. You also said I was sarcastic when I wasn't at all, I just emulated your logic. On January 07 2017 01:41 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 01:26 Calix wrote:I'm starting to relate to those people who always whine about how hard Calix vs NU is to read because I find the ika/ SW/ Vivax thing hard to follow. I'm still not sure I actually understand the full details of the case against Vivax. The one point that I really relate to is how Vivax deflects questions about his talking-for-people tendency with snark and doesn't answer them. When I asked about why he was answering for Boston he did that and he did it later on with SW. I see no purpose in speaking for other people on simple questions like "why did you vote for Onegu" and reads like busywork. I want an explanation for that because that's scummy as hell and he didn't counter that point off-the-cuff. + Show Spoiler [Evidence and shit] +On January 06 2017 23:31 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:26 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 21:29 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 19:56 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
This is true of many people so why is onegu the vote? I guessed that's just his way of doing things, ie judging people by perceived usefulness/compliance. And 1gu really looks like he's doing the least, which sadly isn't alignment indicative. BTDT still has to post but when he does it's usually a lot. There's a townie simplicity to Bostons posts, but that's just a first impression, and of course it's just an early read. Still need a grasp of how much he is actually following the game given he claims to have read and reread it and even took notes. Just voting 1gu doesn't give much info. I don't like this post. Why are you answering for Boston? It's a simple question that he can answer by himself. And why explain your answer in enough depth that you even say why Boston might not have picked BTDT? (assuming that's why you brought up BTDT anyway) I also feel that your read on Boston does the over-explaining thing as well because you bring up all the minor things he has done so far. Yes I gave a read on a player while Kelsier was around to talk about him. Such scum. On January 06 2017 23:25 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:18 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote: [quote]
I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted. His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful. Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. WTF? Why is ika hard town to you? And don't say he's not cuz no way would you defend him like this unless you are town who believes he's town or scum trying to get towncred if he's town. There's always a chance you are scumbuddies too with this attitude. So why are you townreading him? Let me adopt your logic for a moment: "Why are you scumreading Ika, silverwolf. Where did you scumread Ika huh?" By your logic, right now you would be scumreading Ika cause you are attacking my townread on him. But that's wrong! I can perfectly question someone's means of reading someone without having a read on that someone. Questioning the method is not the same as questioning the outcome. I didn't get the impression that Vivax made his posts against DF with the intent to defend ika so making guesses about ika's alignment from Vivax's behaviour is questionable imo. However I think that SW makes good observations about the discrepancy between Vivax's read on ika (or lack of it) and what he says regarding him. I feel like if you interact or talk about a player a lot, you should have a good reason if you end up with a null/ no read on them. I liked ika's reactions to Vivax a lot. Answering with snark? You didn't ask anything. You claimed that I answered for Boston. I clarified that I gave a read on him. This game is about trying to make oneself correctly readable as town. You could as well demand that anyone simply shuts up when he isn't asked about something specific. But this is a game of information not the military, and I can give reads on whoever I please without being asked. On January 07 2017 01:54 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 01:52 Calix wrote:On January 07 2017 01:48 Vivax wrote: So far you and Ika both asked such loaded questions that already imply I did something I did not. Obviously you're not going to get a nice answer to "Do you always beat your wife" type of questions. Your point? If you ask shitty questions you get shitty answers On January 07 2017 02:01 Vivax wrote: Should be a when*
Anyway.
I keep thinking it'd be cool if more people posted, this feels a lot like a clash between overeager townies which is what happens 80 % of the time in the average game of mafia.
I also feel a bit troubled by ika and Silver actually living together cause they had little interaction at the start of the game, but then it wore off quickly.
And Silver was very eager to jump at me for apparently defending ika. And ika brought ahead a similar argument where he said I was too sure of him being town.
Point being, they might have a common playstyle being a couple or whatever, and I don't really know how that plays out since they're new here. It did kinda feel concertated how they were bombarding me with accusations back there.
But it's just feels On January 07 2017 03:03 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 02:46 darthfoley wrote:On January 07 2017 02:36 Vivax wrote:On January 07 2017 02:33 darthfoley wrote: I'd be interested to see Kelsier's take on this Vivax/ika/SW thing when he gets a chance.
And more from Grack And yours? Of the three of you, I liked SW's responses the best. They seem natural and attentive without being scared of making conclusions. I am town reading her I understand your initial questioning, but I don't like how you play semantics over the B0ston thing. Your first sentence is clearly more than a read imo On January 06 2017 21:29 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 19:56 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
This is true of many people so why is onegu the vote? I guessed that's just his way of doing things, ie judging people by perceived usefulness/compliance. And 1gu really looks like he's doing the least, which sadly isn't alignment indicative. BTDT still has to post but when he does it's usually a lot. There's a townie simplicity to Bostons posts, but that's just a first impression, and of course it's just an early read. Still need a grasp of how much he is actually following the game given he claims to have read and reread it and even took notes. Just voting 1gu doesn't give much info. It's understandable why people think you're answering for him, indirectly with the "I guess" qualifier. So I don't like that you deflected and then kind of pulled an "OMGUS, the questions I got weren't up to my liking!" Yea I checked his answers to the questionnaire and figured he was a newbie. And as newbie one tends to strictly pay attention to how useful or compliant a person looks, so only obvious he'd go after 1gu. That's where my guess comes from. The burden of proof's on you ika. Show me the town case. Wait what am I looking at? You quoted Vivax a bunch of times? Is this your explanation as to why you think he's town? Why are you so stubborn to keep this read a secret. If it's as solid as you seem to believe then you'll win people to your case and advance the game.
Same, quoting the post without explaining it does no good. I mean i can easily just do the same to any player and call them town off it. So he has yet to prove anything really. Yes he quoted stuff but now why is it town what about it makes it townish, substance is needed.
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On January 07 2017 12:00 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 11:57 Kmatt wrote:On January 07 2017 11:54 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:53 Kmatt wrote: And now that I'm caught up:
Grack, I don't know what you're trying to do here, but you're better off not. You can't just say "oh this guy is town" and then refuse to explain the read in detail. As counter-intuitive as it sounds, that's more scummy than having a scumread you won't elaborate.
If it makes you feel better I'm not going to write such a post on ika or Silverwolf either. Even though I'm pretty sure they both are as well. No...? It really doesn't. If anything you're looking scummier by the minute. What is the endgame here? What happens when people want to vote on your townreads and vice versa? You don't stand to gain anything through this backwards logic. If people want to lynch Vivax at the end of the day I will refute whatever arguments they put forth for him being scum and put forward my own arguments for whoever I want to lynch.
You have yet to show why hes town so refuting an argument or case on someone will do no good cus i (or anyone) can still fall back on the sole thing of this: you have not given your town read on him any substance and instead blindly state it as if its fact
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On January 07 2017 12:02 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 12:00 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:56 Kmatt wrote:On January 07 2017 11:52 Grackaroni wrote:+ Show Spoiler +The following posts are Grack approved posts for reasons that Grackaroni has specified in earlier posts. On January 06 2017 09:19 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:16 KelsierSC wrote: well this start is shit tier, where dem boyz at? Seen a bunch of people flip mafia who complained about the state of the game at the start of the game, in my lifetime. Tempts me to find out if this is the case again. On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:43 Calix wrote: I sense I'll have an aneurysm at this rate.
DF, you seem sensible. What else have you noticed so far? I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote: [quote]
I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted. His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful. Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude. It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol. It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. On January 06 2017 21:29 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 19:56 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
This is true of many people so why is onegu the vote? I guessed that's just his way of doing things, ie judging people by perceived usefulness/compliance. And 1gu really looks like he's doing the least, which sadly isn't alignment indicative. BTDT still has to post but when he does it's usually a lot. There's a townie simplicity to Bostons posts, but that's just a first impression, and of course it's just an early read. Still need a grasp of how much he is actually following the game given he claims to have read and reread it and even took notes. Just voting 1gu doesn't give much info. On January 06 2017 23:25 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:18 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote: [quote]
I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted. His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful. Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. WTF? Why is ika hard town to you? And don't say he's not cuz no way would you defend him like this unless you are town who believes he's town or scum trying to get towncred if he's town. There's always a chance you are scumbuddies too with this attitude. So why are you townreading him? Let me adopt your logic for a moment: "Why are you scumreading Ika, silverwolf. Where did you scumread Ika huh?" By your logic, right now you would be scumreading Ika cause you are attacking my townread on him. But that's wrong! I can perfectly question someone's means of reading someone without having a read on that someone. Questioning the method is not the same as questioning the outcome. On January 06 2017 23:31 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:26 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 21:29 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 19:56 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
This is true of many people so why is onegu the vote? I guessed that's just his way of doing things, ie judging people by perceived usefulness/compliance. And 1gu really looks like he's doing the least, which sadly isn't alignment indicative. BTDT still has to post but when he does it's usually a lot. There's a townie simplicity to Bostons posts, but that's just a first impression, and of course it's just an early read. Still need a grasp of how much he is actually following the game given he claims to have read and reread it and even took notes. Just voting 1gu doesn't give much info. I don't like this post. Why are you answering for Boston? It's a simple question that he can answer by himself. And why explain your answer in enough depth that you even say why Boston might not have picked BTDT? (assuming that's why you brought up BTDT anyway) I also feel that your read on Boston does the over-explaining thing as well because you bring up all the minor things he has done so far. Yes I gave a read on a player while Kelsier was around to talk about him. Such scum. On January 07 2017 00:31 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 00:02 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 23:40 Vivax wrote: I don't have a read on ika so far and I don't need to have one to question darthfoley's read on him. No, you don't have to have a read on ika to say darthfoley's read on him is bad. I agree. The problem I have is the way you are doing it. Basically, ika no longer has to answer the suspicion because you interjected. Not only interjected but also defended ika by asking if darthfoley has his meta and implying that ika's questions are not scummy. You have a right to have an opinion on ika's questioning but the way you are doing it is very protective of ika. If you have no read of ika, this doesn't make much sense. I guess my gut just pinged hard off of that and also I think you interjected when someone was questioning someone else-I think Calix pointed this out already. Anyway, from my experience, scum like to do this because they get towncred for defending people they know are town. It's way too early to have a super strong opinion on someone's alignment, unless you know that alignment. Doesn't mean we can't have reads. We certainly can. But when I would of preferred to see ika answer the suspicion and engage with darth rather than have you interject. Sorry if I'm not explaining myself well. I'm tired and rambling right now. Be back in a little bit. Ika has to answer the suspicion if you, or anyone else for that matter, make him feel like he has to. In your opinion I made him feel like he didn't have to cause I defended him by suspecting darthfoley. Well, I can and will voice my suspicion when I think I found something worthwhile and darthfoley can take his time to reply whenever he wants, just as ika can answer to darthfoley whenever he wants. So I don't think I hindered the scumhunting of someone in any way by doing my own. If you really think that darthfoley's line of thought was so worth it and cause of me, a hypothetical mafia ika got off the hook, you can still always ask ika about it yourself. But you rather saw it as important to reprimand me/call me mafia, not sure what it is yet. On January 07 2017 01:17 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 01:12 SilverWolf77 wrote: No, it isn't that I think darthfoley's suspicion of ika is worth it.
It's more that I saw you defending two people who you don't have a townread on. By saying B0stonSC just does things that way is a defense of him before he can even answer the question directed at him. You asking darth if he has ika's meta looked like a defense of ika.
Also, In response to my suspicion, you deflected or tried to discredit rather than just explaining yourself further.
That said, giving your own opinion of B0stonSC's opening or your own opinion of darth's read on ika as fake is totally valid and not scummy to me at all.
There's a difference between discrediting and trying to expose why your reasoning is wrong. You also said I was sarcastic when I wasn't at all, I just emulated your logic. On January 07 2017 01:41 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 01:26 Calix wrote:I'm starting to relate to those people who always whine about how hard Calix vs NU is to read because I find the ika/ SW/ Vivax thing hard to follow. I'm still not sure I actually understand the full details of the case against Vivax. The one point that I really relate to is how Vivax deflects questions about his talking-for-people tendency with snark and doesn't answer them. When I asked about why he was answering for Boston he did that and he did it later on with SW. I see no purpose in speaking for other people on simple questions like "why did you vote for Onegu" and reads like busywork. I want an explanation for that because that's scummy as hell and he didn't counter that point off-the-cuff. + Show Spoiler [Evidence and shit] +On January 06 2017 23:31 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:26 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 21:29 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 19:56 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
This is true of many people so why is onegu the vote? I guessed that's just his way of doing things, ie judging people by perceived usefulness/compliance. And 1gu really looks like he's doing the least, which sadly isn't alignment indicative. BTDT still has to post but when he does it's usually a lot. There's a townie simplicity to Bostons posts, but that's just a first impression, and of course it's just an early read. Still need a grasp of how much he is actually following the game given he claims to have read and reread it and even took notes. Just voting 1gu doesn't give much info. I don't like this post. Why are you answering for Boston? It's a simple question that he can answer by himself. And why explain your answer in enough depth that you even say why Boston might not have picked BTDT? (assuming that's why you brought up BTDT anyway) I also feel that your read on Boston does the over-explaining thing as well because you bring up all the minor things he has done so far. Yes I gave a read on a player while Kelsier was around to talk about him. Such scum. On January 06 2017 23:25 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:18 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote: [quote]
I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted. His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful. Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. WTF? Why is ika hard town to you? And don't say he's not cuz no way would you defend him like this unless you are town who believes he's town or scum trying to get towncred if he's town. There's always a chance you are scumbuddies too with this attitude. So why are you townreading him? Let me adopt your logic for a moment: "Why are you scumreading Ika, silverwolf. Where did you scumread Ika huh?" By your logic, right now you would be scumreading Ika cause you are attacking my townread on him. But that's wrong! I can perfectly question someone's means of reading someone without having a read on that someone. Questioning the method is not the same as questioning the outcome. I didn't get the impression that Vivax made his posts against DF with the intent to defend ika so making guesses about ika's alignment from Vivax's behaviour is questionable imo. However I think that SW makes good observations about the discrepancy between Vivax's read on ika (or lack of it) and what he says regarding him. I feel like if you interact or talk about a player a lot, you should have a good reason if you end up with a null/ no read on them. I liked ika's reactions to Vivax a lot. Answering with snark? You didn't ask anything. You claimed that I answered for Boston. I clarified that I gave a read on him. This game is about trying to make oneself correctly readable as town. You could as well demand that anyone simply shuts up when he isn't asked about something specific. But this is a game of information not the military, and I can give reads on whoever I please without being asked. On January 07 2017 01:54 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 01:52 Calix wrote:On January 07 2017 01:48 Vivax wrote: So far you and Ika both asked such loaded questions that already imply I did something I did not. Obviously you're not going to get a nice answer to "Do you always beat your wife" type of questions. Your point? If you ask shitty questions you get shitty answers On January 07 2017 02:01 Vivax wrote: Should be a when*
Anyway.
I keep thinking it'd be cool if more people posted, this feels a lot like a clash between overeager townies which is what happens 80 % of the time in the average game of mafia.
I also feel a bit troubled by ika and Silver actually living together cause they had little interaction at the start of the game, but then it wore off quickly.
And Silver was very eager to jump at me for apparently defending ika. And ika brought ahead a similar argument where he said I was too sure of him being town.
Point being, they might have a common playstyle being a couple or whatever, and I don't really know how that plays out since they're new here. It did kinda feel concertated how they were bombarding me with accusations back there.
But it's just feels On January 07 2017 03:03 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 02:46 darthfoley wrote:On January 07 2017 02:36 Vivax wrote:On January 07 2017 02:33 darthfoley wrote: I'd be interested to see Kelsier's take on this Vivax/ika/SW thing when he gets a chance.
And more from Grack And yours? Of the three of you, I liked SW's responses the best. They seem natural and attentive without being scared of making conclusions. I am town reading her I understand your initial questioning, but I don't like how you play semantics over the B0ston thing. Your first sentence is clearly more than a read imo On January 06 2017 21:29 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 19:56 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
This is true of many people so why is onegu the vote? I guessed that's just his way of doing things, ie judging people by perceived usefulness/compliance. And 1gu really looks like he's doing the least, which sadly isn't alignment indicative. BTDT still has to post but when he does it's usually a lot. There's a townie simplicity to Bostons posts, but that's just a first impression, and of course it's just an early read. Still need a grasp of how much he is actually following the game given he claims to have read and reread it and even took notes. Just voting 1gu doesn't give much info. It's understandable why people think you're answering for him, indirectly with the "I guess" qualifier. So I don't like that you deflected and then kind of pulled an "OMGUS, the questions I got weren't up to my liking!" Yea I checked his answers to the questionnaire and figured he was a newbie. And as newbie one tends to strictly pay attention to how useful or compliant a person looks, so only obvious he'd go after 1gu. That's where my guess comes from. The burden of proof's on you ika. Show me the town case. Wait what am I looking at? You quoted Vivax a bunch of times? Is this your explanation as to why you think he's town? Why are you so stubborn to keep this read a secret. If it's as solid as you seem to believe then you'll win people to your case and advance the game. Same, quoting the post without explaining it does no good. I mean i can easily just do the same to any player and call them town off it. So he has yet to prove anything really. Yes he quoted stuff but now why is it town what about it makes it townish, substance is needed. The burden of proof is on you ika. Any post from henceforth that is not a town case on silverwolf will be viewed as a dodge of responsibility.
I have no bruden of proof to make, you have yet to answer the original question/task at hand. Your continued dodge of substantiating your read is noted.
Until the former is done, i lol at you.
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On January 07 2017 12:03 Kmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 12:00 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:57 Kmatt wrote:On January 07 2017 11:54 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:53 Kmatt wrote: And now that I'm caught up:
Grack, I don't know what you're trying to do here, but you're better off not. You can't just say "oh this guy is town" and then refuse to explain the read in detail. As counter-intuitive as it sounds, that's more scummy than having a scumread you won't elaborate.
If it makes you feel better I'm not going to write such a post on ika or Silverwolf either. Even though I'm pretty sure they both are as well. No...? It really doesn't. If anything you're looking scummier by the minute. What is the endgame here? What happens when people want to vote on your townreads and vice versa? You don't stand to gain anything through this backwards logic. If people want to lynch Vivax at the end of the day I will refute whatever arguments they put forth for him being scum and put forward my own arguments for whoever I want to lynch. You can already do that. Right now. There is a limit to how much BotD I'm willing to give.
Its kinda funny that he cant even refute my argument that he has a fabricated read on him right now.
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On January 07 2017 12:04 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 12:02 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:00 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:57 Kmatt wrote:On January 07 2017 11:54 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:53 Kmatt wrote: And now that I'm caught up:
Grack, I don't know what you're trying to do here, but you're better off not. You can't just say "oh this guy is town" and then refuse to explain the read in detail. As counter-intuitive as it sounds, that's more scummy than having a scumread you won't elaborate.
If it makes you feel better I'm not going to write such a post on ika or Silverwolf either. Even though I'm pretty sure they both are as well. No...? It really doesn't. If anything you're looking scummier by the minute. What is the endgame here? What happens when people want to vote on your townreads and vice versa? You don't stand to gain anything through this backwards logic. If people want to lynch Vivax at the end of the day I will refute whatever arguments they put forth for him being scum and put forward my own arguments for whoever I want to lynch. You have yet to show why hes town so refuting an argument or case on someone will do no good cus i (or anyone) can still fall back on the sole thing of this: you have not given your town read on him any substance and instead blindly state it as if its fact That's not how mafia works. To lynch someone you have to convince people that they are mafia.
Well then by that logic i dont have to show why silverwolf is town then.
GJ!
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On January 07 2017 12:07 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 12:05 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:03 Kmatt wrote:On January 07 2017 12:00 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:57 Kmatt wrote:On January 07 2017 11:54 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:53 Kmatt wrote: And now that I'm caught up:
Grack, I don't know what you're trying to do here, but you're better off not. You can't just say "oh this guy is town" and then refuse to explain the read in detail. As counter-intuitive as it sounds, that's more scummy than having a scumread you won't elaborate.
If it makes you feel better I'm not going to write such a post on ika or Silverwolf either. Even though I'm pretty sure they both are as well. No...? It really doesn't. If anything you're looking scummier by the minute. What is the endgame here? What happens when people want to vote on your townreads and vice versa? You don't stand to gain anything through this backwards logic. If people want to lynch Vivax at the end of the day I will refute whatever arguments they put forth for him being scum and put forward my own arguments for whoever I want to lynch. You can already do that. Right now. There is a limit to how much BotD I'm willing to give. Its kinda funny that he cant even refute my argument that he has a fabricated read on him right now. Perhaps your read on Silverwolf is fabricated. If you check the filters you will see that I have given more reasoning on Vivax than you have given on Silverwolf.
Lol
Want to show the quotes that prove that what you are saying is true? I mean you were town reading me last iirc so am i now scum or something?
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On January 07 2017 12:07 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 12:06 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:04 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:02 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:00 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:57 Kmatt wrote:On January 07 2017 11:54 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:53 Kmatt wrote: And now that I'm caught up:
Grack, I don't know what you're trying to do here, but you're better off not. You can't just say "oh this guy is town" and then refuse to explain the read in detail. As counter-intuitive as it sounds, that's more scummy than having a scumread you won't elaborate.
If it makes you feel better I'm not going to write such a post on ika or Silverwolf either. Even though I'm pretty sure they both are as well. No...? It really doesn't. If anything you're looking scummier by the minute. What is the endgame here? What happens when people want to vote on your townreads and vice versa? You don't stand to gain anything through this backwards logic. If people want to lynch Vivax at the end of the day I will refute whatever arguments they put forth for him being scum and put forward my own arguments for whoever I want to lynch. You have yet to show why hes town so refuting an argument or case on someone will do no good cus i (or anyone) can still fall back on the sole thing of this: you have not given your town read on him any substance and instead blindly state it as if its fact That's not how mafia works. To lynch someone you have to convince people that they are mafia. Well then by that logic i dont have to show why silverwolf is town then. GJ! This is your task. My whole point is that I find the task stupid.
Then you should have no problem with people continuing to call you out and call you scum based not he fact you can not substance your read.
I mean litarly, you said you would refute any scum case made on him but you cant even refute the basic one of "I think he is scum, show me why he is not"
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On January 07 2017 12:11 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 12:07 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:05 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:03 Kmatt wrote:On January 07 2017 12:00 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:57 Kmatt wrote:On January 07 2017 11:54 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:53 Kmatt wrote: And now that I'm caught up:
Grack, I don't know what you're trying to do here, but you're better off not. You can't just say "oh this guy is town" and then refuse to explain the read in detail. As counter-intuitive as it sounds, that's more scummy than having a scumread you won't elaborate.
If it makes you feel better I'm not going to write such a post on ika or Silverwolf either. Even though I'm pretty sure they both are as well. No...? It really doesn't. If anything you're looking scummier by the minute. What is the endgame here? What happens when people want to vote on your townreads and vice versa? You don't stand to gain anything through this backwards logic. If people want to lynch Vivax at the end of the day I will refute whatever arguments they put forth for him being scum and put forward my own arguments for whoever I want to lynch. You can already do that. Right now. There is a limit to how much BotD I'm willing to give. Its kinda funny that he cant even refute my argument that he has a fabricated read on him right now. Perhaps your read on Silverwolf is fabricated. If you check the filters you will see that I have given more reasoning on Vivax than you have given on Silverwolf. Lol Want to show the quotes that prove that what you are saying is true? I mean you were town reading me last iirc so am i now scum or something?
Like if you want to accuse me of fabricating a read on silverwolf go right on ahead. She will tear you a new one on that so fast its not funny.
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On January 07 2017 12:13 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 12:11 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:07 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:05 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:03 Kmatt wrote:On January 07 2017 12:00 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:57 Kmatt wrote:On January 07 2017 11:54 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:53 Kmatt wrote: And now that I'm caught up:
Grack, I don't know what you're trying to do here, but you're better off not. You can't just say "oh this guy is town" and then refuse to explain the read in detail. As counter-intuitive as it sounds, that's more scummy than having a scumread you won't elaborate.
If it makes you feel better I'm not going to write such a post on ika or Silverwolf either. Even though I'm pretty sure they both are as well. No...? It really doesn't. If anything you're looking scummier by the minute. What is the endgame here? What happens when people want to vote on your townreads and vice versa? You don't stand to gain anything through this backwards logic. If people want to lynch Vivax at the end of the day I will refute whatever arguments they put forth for him being scum and put forward my own arguments for whoever I want to lynch. You can already do that. Right now. There is a limit to how much BotD I'm willing to give. Its kinda funny that he cant even refute my argument that he has a fabricated read on him right now. Perhaps your read on Silverwolf is fabricated. If you check the filters you will see that I have given more reasoning on Vivax than you have given on Silverwolf. Lol Want to show the quotes that prove that what you are saying is true? I mean you were town reading me last iirc so am i now scum or something? I'm more stubborn than you. You're not going to get any town case until you write your own town case. I'm not sure why you won't it would prove my point much more quickly.
Because you have burden of proof right now and I am not giving you an out by doing your work.
I mean you say "convince others to lynch your scum read" but I see 0 of that right now
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On January 07 2017 12:16 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 10:27 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 09:56 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 07:58 Grackaroni wrote:I think Vivax's posts have been really townie. Of the active players I think that DF is the most likely one to be scum. Parts of his opening seem awkward to me like he is trying too hard. On January 06 2017 10:04 darthfoley wrote: Salutations friends! May the odds be ever in our favor because we have such wonderful mods! On January 06 2017 10:19 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:16 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:13 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:11 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:10 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:07 KelsierSC wrote: [quote]
well im not making a ground breaking finding but mafia generally try to blend in and make non commital or mimic posts right so they might have thought answering a list of questions which everyone else was doing is a good idea.
probably not relevant here as the questionnaire was hardly insightful and i dont want to start a circle jerk with, well you posted 5th so you are scum. the whole exercise got me some good reads so not entirely pointless and now the the game is moving.
Nothing is going to be ground-breaking at this point so that qualifier (from DF too in the post above) is 100% unnecessary. I didn't approach the questionnaires like that. The VCA-style "X voter/ poster is scum" thing is useless as a metric. What "good" reads do you have? yo just calm down alright My emotional state is irrelevant to the question. You claim to have reads, I'm asking for them. What's the point of saying "I have reads" and then be stubborn about sharing them? so what I did is I checked the order in which people responded to the questionnaire and the first ones to respond are clear town until we get to the people who were like 4th and onwards who are likely scum. 100% accurate So what does that mean in terms of practicality? Name, give the me wretched name! Obligatory + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC_jddH_0MI I also think that Vivax may have a point that he could have been trying to push out a read on ika to impress since he said that he didn't like ika making trolly posts and then proceeded to make a few of his own. On January 06 2017 15:11 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:52 Calix wrote: I am too tired to bang my head against the wall since it's 2am.
I won't be very active until late afternoon/ evening or so but that doesn't matter. My low-activity play is ten times better than most people's normal play.
Goodnight! Great excuse for OMGUS (omg u suck) later on if you're scum! On January 06 2017 15:13 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 11:16 Grackaroni wrote:On January 06 2017 10:04 darthfoley wrote: Salutations friends! May the odds be ever in our favor because we have such wonderful mods! This isn't a bastard game silly. You should have offered favors in the pregame like I did. Favors, you say? $5 for an hj $10 for a bj $15 for a zj On January 07 2017 11:21 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:19 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:05 Grackaroni wrote: Which of your posts are townie? Can you tell me why they are townie? Love the avoiding of my question and instead deflect it back to me. It goes straight to the heart of the question. If you cannot quote some posts to prove yourself town to me then surely I cannot do so to convince you that Vivax is town I've already given an answer that I find satisfactory. I like the effort he's putting into the game. I like the angles that he's pushing. I like his attitude and response to being pressured. what about them is town? I liked his pressure on DF and I've liked all of his responses to being pressured. Really I don't see a single meh post in the bunch. I've already explained my reasoning for town reading Vivax. Now post your reasoning for town reading Silverwolf. There is legitimately less in your filter than I have given. I didn't even see any. Don't hold back. I want you to blow me away.
You gave your reason, I want to see the homework. You seem to be missing that is what i have been asking all this time.
You pulled quotes but now explain in more details
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On January 07 2017 12:18 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 12:15 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:13 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:11 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:07 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:05 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:03 Kmatt wrote:On January 07 2017 12:00 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:57 Kmatt wrote:On January 07 2017 11:54 Grackaroni wrote: [quote] If it makes you feel better I'm not going to write such a post on ika or Silverwolf either. Even though I'm pretty sure they both are as well. No...? It really doesn't. If anything you're looking scummier by the minute. What is the endgame here? What happens when people want to vote on your townreads and vice versa? You don't stand to gain anything through this backwards logic. If people want to lynch Vivax at the end of the day I will refute whatever arguments they put forth for him being scum and put forward my own arguments for whoever I want to lynch. You can already do that. Right now. There is a limit to how much BotD I'm willing to give. Its kinda funny that he cant even refute my argument that he has a fabricated read on him right now. Perhaps your read on Silverwolf is fabricated. If you check the filters you will see that I have given more reasoning on Vivax than you have given on Silverwolf. Lol Want to show the quotes that prove that what you are saying is true? I mean you were town reading me last iirc so am i now scum or something? I'm more stubborn than you. You're not going to get any town case until you write your own town case. I'm not sure why you won't it would prove my point much more quickly. Because you have burden of proof right now and I am not giving you an out by doing your work. I mean you say "convince others to lynch your scum read" but I see 0 of that right now I've given a read on DF and a read on Onegu.
Both of who i read as town. anyone else?
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On January 07 2017 12:21 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 12:21 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:18 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:15 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:13 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:11 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:07 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:05 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:03 Kmatt wrote:On January 07 2017 12:00 Grackaroni wrote: [quote] If people want to lynch Vivax at the end of the day I will refute whatever arguments they put forth for him being scum and put forward my own arguments for whoever I want to lynch. You can already do that. Right now. There is a limit to how much BotD I'm willing to give. Its kinda funny that he cant even refute my argument that he has a fabricated read on him right now. Perhaps your read on Silverwolf is fabricated. If you check the filters you will see that I have given more reasoning on Vivax than you have given on Silverwolf. Lol Want to show the quotes that prove that what you are saying is true? I mean you were town reading me last iirc so am i now scum or something? I'm more stubborn than you. You're not going to get any town case until you write your own town case. I'm not sure why you won't it would prove my point much more quickly. Because you have burden of proof right now and I am not giving you an out by doing your work. I mean you say "convince others to lynch your scum read" but I see 0 of that right now I've given a read on DF and a read on Onegu. Both of who i read as town. anyone else? lol
very much convicing
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On January 07 2017 12:50 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 12:43 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:38 Grackaroni wrote: Here's the deal. I've given reasoning for why I think Vivax is town. I've made it clear from the start that I'm not basing my read on any specific quotes and that for any case you could make for Silverwolf being town I could give a similar one for Vivax being town. My reads on the three of you are all for many of the same reasons.
You've listed silverwolf as town and given no reasoning whatsoever. You should be able to write a town case on Silver wolf and also refute me when I apply your reasoning on her to Vivax's posts. Nope, you have already stated you are townreading both myself and ika so there is no reason you need to see a case unless you disagree with the read or want a better one on ika. ika is asking you for a quote or two because he doesn't agree with your read and wants to understand it better, he also has not stated a townread on you and is scumreading Vivax You are antagonizing your townread and refusing to cooperate. If you don't want to elaborate on a read then just say you don't have a specific quote and be done with it.
Exactly! There is nothing wrong with "gut" feelings. But when it comes to good arguments versus "gut" feelings; I am going to choose the good argument.
Litarly if he said his posts give him a "gut town read" none of this would happen but its not guts. He said the angles and his questioning so I am questioning that
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On January 07 2017 13:04 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 12:47 Onegu wrote: She is town because she was the first to call Boston out. And then the back and forth with Vivax doesnt come from scum. Never Never Never. More so in a newbie game as someone who never played with most of the people in this game. Let me just point out that this does not satisfy the requirements set forth, that you have now failed to meet the burden of proof, and you are dodging the question entirely.
Lol
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On January 07 2017 13:09 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 13:04 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:47 Onegu wrote: She is town because she was the first to call Boston out. And then the back and forth with Vivax doesnt come from scum. Never Never Never. More so in a newbie game as someone who never played with most of the people in this game. Let me just point out that this does not satisfy the requirements set forth, that you have now failed to meet the burden of proof, and you are dodging the question entirely. Oh good luck with this. There is no one more stubborn than ika.
God you know how to make me laugh...
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On January 07 2017 13:11 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 13:09 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 07 2017 13:04 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:47 Onegu wrote: She is town because she was the first to call Boston out. And then the back and forth with Vivax doesnt come from scum. Never Never Never. More so in a newbie game as someone who never played with most of the people in this game. Let me just point out that this does not satisfy the requirements set forth, that you have now failed to meet the burden of proof, and you are dodging the question entirely. Oh good luck with this. There is no one more stubborn than ika. lol I already made that challenge. Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 12:13 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:11 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:07 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:05 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:03 Kmatt wrote:On January 07 2017 12:00 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:57 Kmatt wrote:On January 07 2017 11:54 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:53 Kmatt wrote: And now that I'm caught up:
Grack, I don't know what you're trying to do here, but you're better off not. You can't just say "oh this guy is town" and then refuse to explain the read in detail. As counter-intuitive as it sounds, that's more scummy than having a scumread you won't elaborate.
If it makes you feel better I'm not going to write such a post on ika or Silverwolf either. Even though I'm pretty sure they both are as well. No...? It really doesn't. If anything you're looking scummier by the minute. What is the endgame here? What happens when people want to vote on your townreads and vice versa? You don't stand to gain anything through this backwards logic. If people want to lynch Vivax at the end of the day I will refute whatever arguments they put forth for him being scum and put forward my own arguments for whoever I want to lynch. You can already do that. Right now. There is a limit to how much BotD I'm willing to give. Its kinda funny that he cant even refute my argument that he has a fabricated read on him right now. Perhaps your read on Silverwolf is fabricated. If you check the filters you will see that I have given more reasoning on Vivax than you have given on Silverwolf. Lol Want to show the quotes that prove that what you are saying is true? I mean you were town reading me last iirc so am i now scum or something? I'm more stubborn than you. You're not going to get any town case until you write your own town case. I'm not sure why you won't it would prove my point much more quickly.
You realize that your stubbonness, if town, is super anti-town?
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On January 07 2017 13:13 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 13:12 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 13:11 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 13:09 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 07 2017 13:04 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:47 Onegu wrote: She is town because she was the first to call Boston out. And then the back and forth with Vivax doesnt come from scum. Never Never Never. More so in a newbie game as someone who never played with most of the people in this game. Let me just point out that this does not satisfy the requirements set forth, that you have now failed to meet the burden of proof, and you are dodging the question entirely. Oh good luck with this. There is no one more stubborn than ika. lol I already made that challenge. On January 07 2017 12:13 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:11 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:07 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:05 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:03 Kmatt wrote:On January 07 2017 12:00 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:57 Kmatt wrote: [quote]
No...? It really doesn't. If anything you're looking scummier by the minute. What is the endgame here? What happens when people want to vote on your townreads and vice versa? You don't stand to gain anything through this backwards logic. If people want to lynch Vivax at the end of the day I will refute whatever arguments they put forth for him being scum and put forward my own arguments for whoever I want to lynch. You can already do that. Right now. There is a limit to how much BotD I'm willing to give. Its kinda funny that he cant even refute my argument that he has a fabricated read on him right now. Perhaps your read on Silverwolf is fabricated. If you check the filters you will see that I have given more reasoning on Vivax than you have given on Silverwolf. Lol Want to show the quotes that prove that what you are saying is true? I mean you were town reading me last iirc so am i now scum or something? I'm more stubborn than you. You're not going to get any town case until you write your own town case. I'm not sure why you won't it would prove my point much more quickly. You realize that your stubbonness, if town, is super anti-town? Only when matched with equal stubbornness
its the one who first refuses is at fault.
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On January 07 2017 21:58 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 10:09 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 10:02 ika42 wrote: so now that im caught up heres my read list that i have compiled
1) reps)squishy - sligth town 2) Kmatt - slight town 3) MichaelEhrmantraut - lean scum 4) ika42 -town 5) SilverWolf77 - town 6) B0stonSC - -null
Vets 1) beentheredonethat - null 2) Grackaroni- null 3) KelsierSC - scum 4) Onegu - claims VT 5) darthfoley - town lean 6) Calix -null 7) Vivax - scum lean
i have way too many nulls for my liking overall. updated after running iso on the newbs im gonna get food bbl Why is Boston a null to you? Speaking more generally to you and DF, what's the rationale behind voting for KSC? I found DF's post to be interesting as an observation but I wouldn't vote for KSC based on that. Meanwhile I'm not seeing why you think KSC is scum or much talk about him from you. You call out Grack for not trying to convince people to lynch his scum-reads but you're being unclear with your KSC scum-read also. I think KSC's wagon is the most pure atm so pls explain where you're coming from in more detail. Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 10:59 Grackaroni wrote: Ika please prove to me that you are not scum. As for the Grack thing, this was the initial response. Another example of snarky responses to reasonable questions. I fail to see town motivation for being stubborn for the sake of it when it comes to explaining a town-read that nobody agrees with. He later claims that he thinks the entire thing is stupid but given that he helped fuel the argument into a 5-page fiasco, that reasoning looks fake to me. People who think things are stupid don't continue to focus on the stupid thing when they could spend their time better on something more productive or just leave the thread. Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 11:21 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:19 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:05 Grackaroni wrote: Which of your posts are townie? Can you tell me why they are townie? Love the avoiding of my question and instead deflect it back to me. It goes straight to the heart of the question. If you cannot quote some posts to prove yourself town to me then surely I cannot do so to convince you that Vivax is town I've already given an answer that I find satisfactory. I like the effort he's putting into the game. I like the angles that he's pushing. I like his attitude and response to being pressured. Grack's later argument here, which I am inferring to be that explaining town-reads is pointless because it won't convince people, would be fine taken by itself. However when I look at his filter, it doesn't fit. Firstly, his filter has a load of town-reads in it and few scum-reads (and the two scum-reads he has suck because they don't show actual scum motivation). If he doesn't think that explaining town-reads will convince people then why would he spend so much time posting about them? Secondly, what's the point of saying "I'll explain my read once you've explained your town-read on SW" when he doesn't think that he can convince people of his read anyway and doesn't scum-read SW? Poor priorities at best, busywork at worst. Given everything else, I don't think he really believes what he's posting here. Thirdly, his filter is a lot worse than I thought it was going to be. Most of it is devoted to the argument and his posts before that were weak town-reads and off-topic posts which don't do anything. I would vote for him over Vivax since Vivax was at least pushing the game forward when he was here while Grack hasn't. As for Boston, my reads here still apply so I'd like people to talk about him more before he comes back as the Grack argument sucked the air out of the room in terms of discussion focus. + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 15:53 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote: Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This post pings me but I can't really figure out why. Like he posts this 2-4 hours-ish into the game and starts off by apologising for not being around here earlier which is pretty weird for town to do. I can't imagine myself saying sorry for something as a first post kind of deal so I don't get why he would is what I'm getting at. On January 07 2017 07:28 Calix wrote: Boston is just in his own little world, detached from the thread and floating by without a single fuck given for all the other stuff going on. His entrance was terrible and his follow-up just reinforces my read. He is too hung up on a player who hasn't DONE anything and is relatively inactive with no reason given and doesn't talk about anything else. Furthermore, he's not actually following through on his Onegu read or vote with anything substantial or trying to convince people or caring much. He's just there.
If we're going for someone low-activity then this is the most likely to hit scum atm.
##vote B0stonSC
I said it earlier on why i scum read him. I dunno the post but what pinged me off was the bolded
On January 06 2017 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 10:57 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:55 KelsierSC wrote:
so how you reading ika atm? Slight townread based on posting the questions to get us talking and his activity and interest in the game so far. But he may be just copying his town meta so I'm keeping an eye on him still. yeh...like if i was you that is what I would be thinking if I was town. i have to go into work tomorrow unfortunately but only for like 1hr so should be on tomorrow. I know it seems like i've just been jerking off in the thread, and whilst this is true I think Calix, silver and ika are probably town and everyone else is kind of blegh. Grak is mafia though, im pretty happy with my vote at the moment.
he gives implications that he himself is not town when referring to it in general.
bost i had as town at first but then saw it was the one you were gut reading and i agreed on and after running an iso, i would vote it in a heatbeat becasue of the over abundance of excuses. Silverwolf does this a lot as scum and i have seen countless games of this crap done by scum
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calix if you had to name the scum team right now who would it be? i don't care for reasons i just want a gun to head
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On January 08 2017 00:55 SilverWolf77 wrote: As it is, I still scumread Vivax for reasons I've given.
Grack looks like scum from his argument with ika.
I also see merit in the B0stonSC scumreads because he is so nervous and uncomfortable and basically is not engaging the thread except to make excuses and was reluctant to answer questions as well until asked multiple times. He seems afraid to make waves.
is it newb town or newb scum overall? Im looking more at the excuses
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On January 08 2017 02:56 SilverWolf77 wrote: I'm dismayed that so few people are actually here and playing or that people are here and then they leave for extended periods of time. It makes the game very difficult to play. Can everyone else who hasn't, give their top three scumreads or who they would be o.k. lynching today?
I would lynch in the Grackaroni/KelsierSC/B0stonSC/Vivax pool right now
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On January 08 2017 03:23 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 03:21 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 03:19 Grackaroni wrote:On January 08 2017 03:15 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 03:12 Grackaroni wrote:On January 08 2017 03:09 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 02:57 Grackaroni wrote:On January 08 2017 02:14 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 02:08 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 21:58 Calix wrote:[quote] Why is Boston a null to you? Speaking more generally to you and DF, what's the rationale behind voting for KSC? I found DF's post to be interesting as an observation but I wouldn't vote for KSC based on that. Meanwhile I'm not seeing why you think KSC is scum or much talk about him from you. You call out Grack for not trying to convince people to lynch his scum-reads but you're being unclear with your KSC scum-read also. I think KSC's wagon is the most pure atm so pls explain where you're coming from in more detail. [quote] As for the Grack thing, this was the initial response. Another example of snarky responses to reasonable questions. I fail to see town motivation for being stubborn for the sake of it when it comes to explaining a town-read that nobody agrees with. He later claims that he thinks the entire thing is stupid but given that he helped fuel the argument into a 5-page fiasco, that reasoning looks fake to me. People who think things are stupid don't continue to focus on the stupid thing when they could spend their time better on something more productive or just leave the thread. [quote] Grack's later argument here, which I am inferring to be that explaining town-reads is pointless because it won't convince people, would be fine taken by itself. However when I look at his filter, it doesn't fit. Firstly, his filter has a load of town-reads in it and few scum-reads (and the two scum-reads he has suck because they don't show actual scum motivation). If he doesn't think that explaining town-reads will convince people then why would he spend so much time posting about them? Secondly, what's the point of saying "I'll explain my read once you've explained your town-read on SW" when he doesn't think that he can convince people of his read anyway and doesn't scum-read SW? Poor priorities at best, busywork at worst. Given everything else, I don't think he really believes what he's posting here. Thirdly, his filter is a lot worse than I thought it was going to be. Most of it is devoted to the argument and his posts before that were weak town-reads and off-topic posts which don't do anything. I would vote for him over Vivax since Vivax was at least pushing the game forward when he was here while Grack hasn't. As for Boston, my reads here still apply so I'd like people to talk about him more before he comes back as the Grack argument sucked the air out of the room in terms of discussion focus. + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 15:53 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote: Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This post pings me but I can't really figure out why. Like he posts this 2-4 hours-ish into the game and starts off by apologising for not being around here earlier which is pretty weird for town to do. I can't imagine myself saying sorry for something as a first post kind of deal so I don't get why he would is what I'm getting at. On January 07 2017 07:28 Calix wrote: Boston is just in his own little world, detached from the thread and floating by without a single fuck given for all the other stuff going on. His entrance was terrible and his follow-up just reinforces my read. He is too hung up on a player who hasn't DONE anything and is relatively inactive with no reason given and doesn't talk about anything else. Furthermore, he's not actually following through on his Onegu read or vote with anything substantial or trying to convince people or caring much. He's just there.
If we're going for someone low-activity then this is the most likely to hit scum atm.
##vote B0stonSC I said it earlier on why i scum read him. I dunno the post but what pinged me off was the bolded On January 06 2017 10:59 KelsierSC wrote: [quote]
yeh...like if i was you that is what I would be thinking if I was town.
i have to go into work tomorrow unfortunately but only for like 1hr so should be on tomorrow.
I know it seems like i've just been jerking off in the thread, and whilst this is true I think Calix, silver and ika are probably town and everyone else is kind of blegh.
Grak is mafia though, im pretty happy with my vote at the moment. he gives implications that he himself is not town when referring to it in general. bost i had as town at first but then saw it was the one you were gut reading and i agreed on and after running an iso, i would vote it in a heatbeat becasue of the over abundance of excuses. Silverwolf does this a lot as scum and i have seen countless games of this crap done by scum Good catch with KSC. I hesitate to call it a scum slip (as most of those tend to be wrong FME) but it shows a detached mentality for sure. What do you mean about a detached mentality Calix? The way he phrased his opinion with "if I was town" is detached is what I mean there. Seems like a cold observation more than an opinion in terms of tone, if that makes sense. He said that that's what he would be thinking if he was ika, and then he added the if I was town i.e. if ika was town. What? KSC says "if I was town" which is using the first person - how does that refer to ika? " If I was you that's what I would be thinking if I was town" If he was in ika's shoes and he was town then that is what he would be thinking. The first part of the sentence is the reason why it looks detached or w/e. I'm still not seeing it. KSC might be referring to SW (who he is responding to) with that part but ika? No. Oh then SW.
the former refers to SW, the later refers to himself, i read them as seprate refrences
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On January 08 2017 03:57 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 03:55 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 03:52 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 03:33 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 03:30 beentheredonethat wrote:Hello everyone. I'm here. I have not read the game as I even didn't /confirm, however hosts weren't eager to wait for me. As I was pissed over things going on over in Host Mafia, I pretty much didn't visit TL over the course of the last 24 hours or so, only went online from mobile for a bit. So. This is my very first time in playing two games at once so I want to apologize in advance if I suck. I will catch up on the game in the next few hours, I'm at home in front of my desktop and I'm going to do my best to contribute. Eww gross opening post with the preemptive excuse for shit play. You're hosting the other game Calix and you should know why I'm pissed as fuck. So either you're putting shit on me because you're scum or you haven't read up Host Mafia and are failing on your host duties which I don't think you are capable of at this point. Tell me, what kind of entry post is a "good entry post"? "Hello people, I am here and Calix is scum"? Okay. Hello people, I am here and Calix is scum. ##vote Calix This is a massive overreaction. I'm not going to respond to the part about hosting since that's referring to an ongoing game and is clearly attacking my character. It absolutely is a massive overreaction but so is your one-line response to my original entry. So if we could both settle down to a slower pace and be polite to each other then we could actually try to play this game. Of course we can also throw shit onto each other until something sticks to one of us. But I would prefer to actually have fun in this game.
regarding your suppose host issue and the "who started it": + Show Spoiler +but the thing is that you have now brought in a host issue about another game on this site. I much would of rather prefered that you said "well somethings botyhering me but i cant dicuss it right now" or even say something about RL pissing you off. You kinda brought it on yourself to allow calix to attack you there when you jabed her about the host thing. While i don't know what it is nor do I care, nobody but you has fault. Thats all im saying on this. if theres a problem going on with hosting theres a sig i use all the time: There is a code us hosts have to live by and that is: we can't fix stupid or random decisions. Plz do not respond to this at all if you want to talk about his matter save it for post game. this is just my 2 cents on hosting matters
that being said if you would like to actualy explain why calix is scum and talk about your reads here thats something im willing to do
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On January 08 2017 03:59 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 03:45 Calix wrote: Given the mass inactivity, trying to use the bigger picture is a very bad idea that's going to lead to faulty conclusions. That wasn't really my point. I'm concerned with how much of a circle jerk the thread is when there's a good chance that Swika is wrong on a lot of things. It's hard for me to pick out scum from sheep if everyone's opinion follows their sentiment.
Why are you not trying to convince us we are wrong then? Why are you not trying to move the game state forward and try to convince others?
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On January 08 2017 04:06 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 04:02 Vivax wrote: Been tempted a few times to put the thought out there that we might be dealing with an active, disruptive mafia (Calix), but then that thought shouldn't be pursued too early, especially by me or I end up tinfoiling the entire game. So it's a thought on hold maybe I'll find something positive to take from her posts at some point. For now she doesn't look sheepable to me.
I think for today I would be content with a PL on ME, otherwise I still have my eyes on Kelsier and DF mostly as I might have been onto something at the start of the day, but today I feel like shit and am lazy to go dig for something and make a case, to be completely honest. What makes you think that? It would be good if you could expand on your reads at some point.
Ill let him answer firs then I will answer cus i can kinda agree with him to an extent.
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On January 08 2017 04:10 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 04:06 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 04:02 Vivax wrote: Been tempted a few times to put the thought out there that we might be dealing with an active, disruptive mafia (Calix), but then that thought shouldn't be pursued too early, especially by me or I end up tinfoiling the entire game. So it's a thought on hold maybe I'll find something positive to take from her posts at some point. For now she doesn't look sheepable to me.
I think for today I would be content with a PL on ME, otherwise I still have my eyes on Kelsier and DF mostly as I might have been onto something at the start of the day, but today I feel like shit and am lazy to go dig for something and make a case, to be completely honest. What makes you think that? It would be good if you could expand on your reads at some point. Kelsier for not seeming to care at this point and his negative comment about the game at the beginning. It's the sort of thing I saw Palmar going after people for and successfully catching mafia with it. So I think it could be a nice heuristic for catching mafia. Foley for what I posted about him. Doesn't need expanding as it's in my filter. As for you, I said I don't want to pursue that thought for now as you are still one of the most active players if not the most active player.
Can you do it cus i want to see it. I doubt we have time in the day to do so but I want to see this though porcess. It might put my paranoia about you to ease
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On January 08 2017 04:14 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 04:07 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 03:59 Grackaroni wrote:On January 08 2017 03:45 Calix wrote: Given the mass inactivity, trying to use the bigger picture is a very bad idea that's going to lead to faulty conclusions. That wasn't really my point. I'm concerned with how much of a circle jerk the thread is when there's a good chance that Swika is wrong on a lot of things. It's hard for me to pick out scum from sheep if everyone's opinion follows their sentiment. Why are you not trying to convince us we are wrong then? Why are you not trying to move the game state forward and try to convince others? Could you not? Thanks.
Not what? Show that your complaining about a game state and how you are basically admitting to not doing anything to fix the suppose problem?
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On January 08 2017 04:13 Calix wrote:
If you have a legit problem then take it to PMs instead of talking about it in the game thread of a different game.
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ty. post came afetr
BTDT could you give a overall read list once you catch up?
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On January 08 2017 04:31 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Could you not lets act like ive never played mafia for a min: why? and i dont want to hear the "oh it narrows PR" crap (yes this is a vaild reason but anyone will argue this). Yes it is sub optimal in general but why are you opposed to it?... Why would you advocate bad play?
I dont, I just find it that using that reason alone is the most obvious on why not to do it.
I wanted more then just the generic one
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On January 08 2017 04:31 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 04:22 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 04:14 Grackaroni wrote:On January 08 2017 04:07 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 03:59 Grackaroni wrote:On January 08 2017 03:45 Calix wrote: Given the mass inactivity, trying to use the bigger picture is a very bad idea that's going to lead to faulty conclusions. That wasn't really my point. I'm concerned with how much of a circle jerk the thread is when there's a good chance that Swika is wrong on a lot of things. It's hard for me to pick out scum from sheep if everyone's opinion follows their sentiment. Why are you not trying to convince us we are wrong then? Why are you not trying to move the game state forward and try to convince others? Could you not? Thanks. Not what? Show that your complaining about a game state and how you are basically admitting to not doing anything to fix the suppose problem? Now you're just being antagonizing.
If i wanted to be antagonizing i would bring back up burden of proof.
You are complaining that me/SW are running the show and nobody doing anything. I am asking you what have you done or are going to do to fix that? If you dont have an answer i would think its just scum trying to do something for the sake of something.
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On January 08 2017 04:38 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 04:37 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 04:31 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Could you not lets act like ive never played mafia for a min: why? and i dont want to hear the "oh it narrows PR" crap (yes this is a vaild reason but anyone will argue this). Yes it is sub optimal in general but why are you opposed to it?... Why would you advocate bad play? I dont, I just find it that using that reason alone is the most obvious on why not to do it. I wanted more then just the generic one But if there is a reason to not do something as town, then why do you do it?
I don't? The thing i was talking about is the claim right off the bat. When i first started out (about 4-5 years ago) it was what i would do cus i didn't give a damn. Now i would complain about someone doing it out of the gate. But not becasue "it narrows PR"
Its more on the fact that it breeds out bad play in geenral and turns a site meta to shit and will almost always end up having day 1 be a debate about what is good and what is bad
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On January 08 2017 04:43 Grackaroni wrote:This guy could be scum. Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 04:38 Kmatt wrote: Vivax I don't like any of his posts individually but is among the only people being active and pushing. As I said above, town arguing with town Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 11:32 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:29 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:26 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:25 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:21 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:19 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:05 Grackaroni wrote: Which of your posts are townie? Can you tell me why they are townie? Love the avoiding of my question and instead deflect it back to me. It goes straight to the heart of the question. If you cannot quote some posts to prove yourself town to me then surely I cannot do so to convince you that Vivax is town I've already given an answer that I find satisfactory. I like the effort he's putting into the game. I like the angles that he's pushing. I like his attitude and response to being pressured. i asked first so burden of proof is on you. Also the question you are asking is not the same as what i am asking. You are asking em to prove I am town not somebody else. My question is asking you to prove your read on someone else not yourself. Again, show me posts that show the efforts and angles you are talking about. Otherwise i will say your fabricating the read on him. Then I will alter the task. Prove to me that Silverwolf is town. Answer mine first, the burden of proof is on you. Also IIRC you have already called her town so i question your reason for a pointless task. I'm doing this because my read isn't based off of any one post. I find the task stupid. And if you show your quotes for silverwolf being town then I will show why I think so by applying the exact same things you say to Vivax. Anything that you can say to call her townie could be equally applied to him. It doesn't look great that he's joining in on this when he had the exact same general non post based read on Vivax as I had. He should have been able to understand by predicament! Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 11:53 Kmatt wrote: And now that I'm caught up:
Grack, I don't know what you're trying to do here, but you're better off not. You can't just say "oh this guy is town" and then refuse to explain the read in detail. As counter-intuitive as it sounds, that's more scummy than having a scumread you won't elaborate.
Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 11:56 Kmatt wrote:On January 07 2017 11:52 Grackaroni wrote:+ Show Spoiler +The following posts are Grack approved posts for reasons that Grackaroni has specified in earlier posts. On January 06 2017 09:19 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:16 KelsierSC wrote: well this start is shit tier, where dem boyz at? Seen a bunch of people flip mafia who complained about the state of the game at the start of the game, in my lifetime. Tempts me to find out if this is the case again. On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:43 Calix wrote: I sense I'll have an aneurysm at this rate.
DF, you seem sensible. What else have you noticed so far? I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote: [quote]
I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted. His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful. Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude. It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol. It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. On January 06 2017 21:29 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 19:56 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
This is true of many people so why is onegu the vote? I guessed that's just his way of doing things, ie judging people by perceived usefulness/compliance. And 1gu really looks like he's doing the least, which sadly isn't alignment indicative. BTDT still has to post but when he does it's usually a lot. There's a townie simplicity to Bostons posts, but that's just a first impression, and of course it's just an early read. Still need a grasp of how much he is actually following the game given he claims to have read and reread it and even took notes. Just voting 1gu doesn't give much info. On January 06 2017 23:25 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:18 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote: [quote]
I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted. His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful. Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. WTF? Why is ika hard town to you? And don't say he's not cuz no way would you defend him like this unless you are town who believes he's town or scum trying to get towncred if he's town. There's always a chance you are scumbuddies too with this attitude. So why are you townreading him? Let me adopt your logic for a moment: "Why are you scumreading Ika, silverwolf. Where did you scumread Ika huh?" By your logic, right now you would be scumreading Ika cause you are attacking my townread on him. But that's wrong! I can perfectly question someone's means of reading someone without having a read on that someone. Questioning the method is not the same as questioning the outcome. On January 06 2017 23:31 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:26 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 21:29 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 19:56 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
This is true of many people so why is onegu the vote? I guessed that's just his way of doing things, ie judging people by perceived usefulness/compliance. And 1gu really looks like he's doing the least, which sadly isn't alignment indicative. BTDT still has to post but when he does it's usually a lot. There's a townie simplicity to Bostons posts, but that's just a first impression, and of course it's just an early read. Still need a grasp of how much he is actually following the game given he claims to have read and reread it and even took notes. Just voting 1gu doesn't give much info. I don't like this post. Why are you answering for Boston? It's a simple question that he can answer by himself. And why explain your answer in enough depth that you even say why Boston might not have picked BTDT? (assuming that's why you brought up BTDT anyway) I also feel that your read on Boston does the over-explaining thing as well because you bring up all the minor things he has done so far. Yes I gave a read on a player while Kelsier was around to talk about him. Such scum. On January 07 2017 00:31 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 00:02 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 23:40 Vivax wrote: I don't have a read on ika so far and I don't need to have one to question darthfoley's read on him. No, you don't have to have a read on ika to say darthfoley's read on him is bad. I agree. The problem I have is the way you are doing it. Basically, ika no longer has to answer the suspicion because you interjected. Not only interjected but also defended ika by asking if darthfoley has his meta and implying that ika's questions are not scummy. You have a right to have an opinion on ika's questioning but the way you are doing it is very protective of ika. If you have no read of ika, this doesn't make much sense. I guess my gut just pinged hard off of that and also I think you interjected when someone was questioning someone else-I think Calix pointed this out already. Anyway, from my experience, scum like to do this because they get towncred for defending people they know are town. It's way too early to have a super strong opinion on someone's alignment, unless you know that alignment. Doesn't mean we can't have reads. We certainly can. But when I would of preferred to see ika answer the suspicion and engage with darth rather than have you interject. Sorry if I'm not explaining myself well. I'm tired and rambling right now. Be back in a little bit. Ika has to answer the suspicion if you, or anyone else for that matter, make him feel like he has to. In your opinion I made him feel like he didn't have to cause I defended him by suspecting darthfoley. Well, I can and will voice my suspicion when I think I found something worthwhile and darthfoley can take his time to reply whenever he wants, just as ika can answer to darthfoley whenever he wants. So I don't think I hindered the scumhunting of someone in any way by doing my own. If you really think that darthfoley's line of thought was so worth it and cause of me, a hypothetical mafia ika got off the hook, you can still always ask ika about it yourself. But you rather saw it as important to reprimand me/call me mafia, not sure what it is yet. On January 07 2017 01:17 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 01:12 SilverWolf77 wrote: No, it isn't that I think darthfoley's suspicion of ika is worth it.
It's more that I saw you defending two people who you don't have a townread on. By saying B0stonSC just does things that way is a defense of him before he can even answer the question directed at him. You asking darth if he has ika's meta looked like a defense of ika.
Also, In response to my suspicion, you deflected or tried to discredit rather than just explaining yourself further.
That said, giving your own opinion of B0stonSC's opening or your own opinion of darth's read on ika as fake is totally valid and not scummy to me at all.
There's a difference between discrediting and trying to expose why your reasoning is wrong. You also said I was sarcastic when I wasn't at all, I just emulated your logic. On January 07 2017 01:41 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 01:26 Calix wrote:I'm starting to relate to those people who always whine about how hard Calix vs NU is to read because I find the ika/ SW/ Vivax thing hard to follow. I'm still not sure I actually understand the full details of the case against Vivax. The one point that I really relate to is how Vivax deflects questions about his talking-for-people tendency with snark and doesn't answer them. When I asked about why he was answering for Boston he did that and he did it later on with SW. I see no purpose in speaking for other people on simple questions like "why did you vote for Onegu" and reads like busywork. I want an explanation for that because that's scummy as hell and he didn't counter that point off-the-cuff. + Show Spoiler [Evidence and shit] +On January 06 2017 23:31 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:26 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 21:29 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 19:56 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
This is true of many people so why is onegu the vote? I guessed that's just his way of doing things, ie judging people by perceived usefulness/compliance. And 1gu really looks like he's doing the least, which sadly isn't alignment indicative. BTDT still has to post but when he does it's usually a lot. There's a townie simplicity to Bostons posts, but that's just a first impression, and of course it's just an early read. Still need a grasp of how much he is actually following the game given he claims to have read and reread it and even took notes. Just voting 1gu doesn't give much info. I don't like this post. Why are you answering for Boston? It's a simple question that he can answer by himself. And why explain your answer in enough depth that you even say why Boston might not have picked BTDT? (assuming that's why you brought up BTDT anyway) I also feel that your read on Boston does the over-explaining thing as well because you bring up all the minor things he has done so far. Yes I gave a read on a player while Kelsier was around to talk about him. Such scum. On January 06 2017 23:25 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:18 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote: [quote]
I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted. His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful. Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. WTF? Why is ika hard town to you? And don't say he's not cuz no way would you defend him like this unless you are town who believes he's town or scum trying to get towncred if he's town. There's always a chance you are scumbuddies too with this attitude. So why are you townreading him? Let me adopt your logic for a moment: "Why are you scumreading Ika, silverwolf. Where did you scumread Ika huh?" By your logic, right now you would be scumreading Ika cause you are attacking my townread on him. But that's wrong! I can perfectly question someone's means of reading someone without having a read on that someone. Questioning the method is not the same as questioning the outcome. I didn't get the impression that Vivax made his posts against DF with the intent to defend ika so making guesses about ika's alignment from Vivax's behaviour is questionable imo. However I think that SW makes good observations about the discrepancy between Vivax's read on ika (or lack of it) and what he says regarding him. I feel like if you interact or talk about a player a lot, you should have a good reason if you end up with a null/ no read on them. I liked ika's reactions to Vivax a lot. Answering with snark? You didn't ask anything. You claimed that I answered for Boston. I clarified that I gave a read on him. This game is about trying to make oneself correctly readable as town. You could as well demand that anyone simply shuts up when he isn't asked about something specific. But this is a game of information not the military, and I can give reads on whoever I please without being asked. On January 07 2017 01:54 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 01:52 Calix wrote:On January 07 2017 01:48 Vivax wrote: So far you and Ika both asked such loaded questions that already imply I did something I did not. Obviously you're not going to get a nice answer to "Do you always beat your wife" type of questions. Your point? If you ask shitty questions you get shitty answers On January 07 2017 02:01 Vivax wrote: Should be a when*
Anyway.
I keep thinking it'd be cool if more people posted, this feels a lot like a clash between overeager townies which is what happens 80 % of the time in the average game of mafia.
I also feel a bit troubled by ika and Silver actually living together cause they had little interaction at the start of the game, but then it wore off quickly.
And Silver was very eager to jump at me for apparently defending ika. And ika brought ahead a similar argument where he said I was too sure of him being town.
Point being, they might have a common playstyle being a couple or whatever, and I don't really know how that plays out since they're new here. It did kinda feel concertated how they were bombarding me with accusations back there.
But it's just feels On January 07 2017 03:03 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 02:46 darthfoley wrote:On January 07 2017 02:36 Vivax wrote:On January 07 2017 02:33 darthfoley wrote: I'd be interested to see Kelsier's take on this Vivax/ika/SW thing when he gets a chance.
And more from Grack And yours? Of the three of you, I liked SW's responses the best. They seem natural and attentive without being scared of making conclusions. I am town reading her I understand your initial questioning, but I don't like how you play semantics over the B0ston thing. Your first sentence is clearly more than a read imo On January 06 2017 21:29 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 19:56 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
This is true of many people so why is onegu the vote? I guessed that's just his way of doing things, ie judging people by perceived usefulness/compliance. And 1gu really looks like he's doing the least, which sadly isn't alignment indicative. BTDT still has to post but when he does it's usually a lot. There's a townie simplicity to Bostons posts, but that's just a first impression, and of course it's just an early read. Still need a grasp of how much he is actually following the game given he claims to have read and reread it and even took notes. Just voting 1gu doesn't give much info. It's understandable why people think you're answering for him, indirectly with the "I guess" qualifier. So I don't like that you deflected and then kind of pulled an "OMGUS, the questions I got weren't up to my liking!" Yea I checked his answers to the questionnaire and figured he was a newbie. And as newbie one tends to strictly pay attention to how useful or compliant a person looks, so only obvious he'd go after 1gu. That's where my guess comes from. The burden of proof's on you ika. Show me the town case. Wait what am I looking at? You quoted Vivax a bunch of times? Is this your explanation as to why you think he's town? Why are you so stubborn to keep this read a secret. If it's as solid as you seem to believe then you'll win people to your case and advance the game.
could you see them being scum as a team where kmatt is trying to coach him on what to do and stop the fight with me?
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On January 08 2017 04:44 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 04:35 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 06 2017 09:39 Grackaroni wrote: I'll answer the questions.
1) I'm always town. 2) 5 years 3) no 4) spammy 5) We'll have to find out. 6) Probably Calix. Answer to 5) is really interesting here. If you choose to answer those questions, I think you could as well be honest about year meta. Because if you play to your alignment meta, it's really easy to identify if you are the opposite alignment (wow my wording is poor) so I'm wondering why Grack is not revealing what his meta is? This is opportunistic reasoning. He's only saying this because my lynch is currently on the table and he wants to find something to use against me.
how about you answer it instead of yelling "OMG HES GONNA VOTE ME OFF OPPORTUNISTIC REASONING"
god im in a good mood right now so this makes me laugh
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On January 08 2017 04:48 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 04:47 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 04:42 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 04:38 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 04:37 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 04:31 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Could you not lets act like ive never played mafia for a min: why? and i dont want to hear the "oh it narrows PR" crap (yes this is a vaild reason but anyone will argue this). Yes it is sub optimal in general but why are you opposed to it?... Why would you advocate bad play? I dont, I just find it that using that reason alone is the most obvious on why not to do it. I wanted more then just the generic one But if there is a reason to not do something as town, then why do you do it? I don't? The thing i was talking about is the claim right off the bat. When i first started out (about 4-5 years ago) it was what i would do cus i didn't give a damn. Now i would complain about someone doing it out of the gate. But not becasue "it narrows PR" Its more on the fact that it breeds out bad play in geenral and turns a site meta to shit and will almost always end up having day 1 be a debate about what is good and what is bad Oh I'm dumb I'm so dumb I thought the "narrows down PR" stuff would have been about your weird questionnaire, so I was like "how is that bad" and "what the fuck" and didn't understand a thing. I only get right now that it related to the claim stuff, yeah I get that.
I should add a question of "whats your role" ir "would you be up for a day 1 mass claim" for shits and giggle now
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On January 08 2017 04:48 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 04:46 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 04:43 Grackaroni wrote:This guy could be scum. On January 07 2017 04:38 Kmatt wrote: Vivax I don't like any of his posts individually but is among the only people being active and pushing. As I said above, town arguing with town On January 07 2017 11:32 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:29 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:26 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:25 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:21 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:19 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:05 Grackaroni wrote: Which of your posts are townie? Can you tell me why they are townie? Love the avoiding of my question and instead deflect it back to me. It goes straight to the heart of the question. If you cannot quote some posts to prove yourself town to me then surely I cannot do so to convince you that Vivax is town I've already given an answer that I find satisfactory. I like the effort he's putting into the game. I like the angles that he's pushing. I like his attitude and response to being pressured. i asked first so burden of proof is on you. Also the question you are asking is not the same as what i am asking. You are asking em to prove I am town not somebody else. My question is asking you to prove your read on someone else not yourself. Again, show me posts that show the efforts and angles you are talking about. Otherwise i will say your fabricating the read on him. Then I will alter the task. Prove to me that Silverwolf is town. Answer mine first, the burden of proof is on you. Also IIRC you have already called her town so i question your reason for a pointless task. I'm doing this because my read isn't based off of any one post. I find the task stupid. And if you show your quotes for silverwolf being town then I will show why I think so by applying the exact same things you say to Vivax. Anything that you can say to call her townie could be equally applied to him. It doesn't look great that he's joining in on this when he had the exact same general non post based read on Vivax as I had. He should have been able to understand by predicament! On January 07 2017 11:53 Kmatt wrote: And now that I'm caught up:
Grack, I don't know what you're trying to do here, but you're better off not. You can't just say "oh this guy is town" and then refuse to explain the read in detail. As counter-intuitive as it sounds, that's more scummy than having a scumread you won't elaborate.
On January 07 2017 11:56 Kmatt wrote:On January 07 2017 11:52 Grackaroni wrote:+ Show Spoiler +The following posts are Grack approved posts for reasons that Grackaroni has specified in earlier posts. On January 06 2017 09:19 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:16 KelsierSC wrote: well this start is shit tier, where dem boyz at? Seen a bunch of people flip mafia who complained about the state of the game at the start of the game, in my lifetime. Tempts me to find out if this is the case again. On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:43 Calix wrote: I sense I'll have an aneurysm at this rate.
DF, you seem sensible. What else have you noticed so far? I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote: [quote]
I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted. His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful. Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude. It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol. It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. On January 06 2017 21:29 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 19:56 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
This is true of many people so why is onegu the vote? I guessed that's just his way of doing things, ie judging people by perceived usefulness/compliance. And 1gu really looks like he's doing the least, which sadly isn't alignment indicative. BTDT still has to post but when he does it's usually a lot. There's a townie simplicity to Bostons posts, but that's just a first impression, and of course it's just an early read. Still need a grasp of how much he is actually following the game given he claims to have read and reread it and even took notes. Just voting 1gu doesn't give much info. On January 06 2017 23:25 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:18 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote: [quote]
I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted. His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful. Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. WTF? Why is ika hard town to you? And don't say he's not cuz no way would you defend him like this unless you are town who believes he's town or scum trying to get towncred if he's town. There's always a chance you are scumbuddies too with this attitude. So why are you townreading him? Let me adopt your logic for a moment: "Why are you scumreading Ika, silverwolf. Where did you scumread Ika huh?" By your logic, right now you would be scumreading Ika cause you are attacking my townread on him. But that's wrong! I can perfectly question someone's means of reading someone without having a read on that someone. Questioning the method is not the same as questioning the outcome. On January 06 2017 23:31 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:26 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 21:29 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 19:56 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
This is true of many people so why is onegu the vote? I guessed that's just his way of doing things, ie judging people by perceived usefulness/compliance. And 1gu really looks like he's doing the least, which sadly isn't alignment indicative. BTDT still has to post but when he does it's usually a lot. There's a townie simplicity to Bostons posts, but that's just a first impression, and of course it's just an early read. Still need a grasp of how much he is actually following the game given he claims to have read and reread it and even took notes. Just voting 1gu doesn't give much info. I don't like this post. Why are you answering for Boston? It's a simple question that he can answer by himself. And why explain your answer in enough depth that you even say why Boston might not have picked BTDT? (assuming that's why you brought up BTDT anyway) I also feel that your read on Boston does the over-explaining thing as well because you bring up all the minor things he has done so far. Yes I gave a read on a player while Kelsier was around to talk about him. Such scum. On January 07 2017 00:31 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 00:02 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 23:40 Vivax wrote: I don't have a read on ika so far and I don't need to have one to question darthfoley's read on him. No, you don't have to have a read on ika to say darthfoley's read on him is bad. I agree. The problem I have is the way you are doing it. Basically, ika no longer has to answer the suspicion because you interjected. Not only interjected but also defended ika by asking if darthfoley has his meta and implying that ika's questions are not scummy. You have a right to have an opinion on ika's questioning but the way you are doing it is very protective of ika. If you have no read of ika, this doesn't make much sense. I guess my gut just pinged hard off of that and also I think you interjected when someone was questioning someone else-I think Calix pointed this out already. Anyway, from my experience, scum like to do this because they get towncred for defending people they know are town. It's way too early to have a super strong opinion on someone's alignment, unless you know that alignment. Doesn't mean we can't have reads. We certainly can. But when I would of preferred to see ika answer the suspicion and engage with darth rather than have you interject. Sorry if I'm not explaining myself well. I'm tired and rambling right now. Be back in a little bit. Ika has to answer the suspicion if you, or anyone else for that matter, make him feel like he has to. In your opinion I made him feel like he didn't have to cause I defended him by suspecting darthfoley. Well, I can and will voice my suspicion when I think I found something worthwhile and darthfoley can take his time to reply whenever he wants, just as ika can answer to darthfoley whenever he wants. So I don't think I hindered the scumhunting of someone in any way by doing my own. If you really think that darthfoley's line of thought was so worth it and cause of me, a hypothetical mafia ika got off the hook, you can still always ask ika about it yourself. But you rather saw it as important to reprimand me/call me mafia, not sure what it is yet. On January 07 2017 01:17 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 01:12 SilverWolf77 wrote: No, it isn't that I think darthfoley's suspicion of ika is worth it.
It's more that I saw you defending two people who you don't have a townread on. By saying B0stonSC just does things that way is a defense of him before he can even answer the question directed at him. You asking darth if he has ika's meta looked like a defense of ika.
Also, In response to my suspicion, you deflected or tried to discredit rather than just explaining yourself further.
That said, giving your own opinion of B0stonSC's opening or your own opinion of darth's read on ika as fake is totally valid and not scummy to me at all.
There's a difference between discrediting and trying to expose why your reasoning is wrong. You also said I was sarcastic when I wasn't at all, I just emulated your logic. On January 07 2017 01:41 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 01:26 Calix wrote:I'm starting to relate to those people who always whine about how hard Calix vs NU is to read because I find the ika/ SW/ Vivax thing hard to follow. I'm still not sure I actually understand the full details of the case against Vivax. The one point that I really relate to is how Vivax deflects questions about his talking-for-people tendency with snark and doesn't answer them. When I asked about why he was answering for Boston he did that and he did it later on with SW. I see no purpose in speaking for other people on simple questions like "why did you vote for Onegu" and reads like busywork. I want an explanation for that because that's scummy as hell and he didn't counter that point off-the-cuff. + Show Spoiler [Evidence and shit] +On January 06 2017 23:31 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:26 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 21:29 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 19:56 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
This is true of many people so why is onegu the vote? I guessed that's just his way of doing things, ie judging people by perceived usefulness/compliance. And 1gu really looks like he's doing the least, which sadly isn't alignment indicative. BTDT still has to post but when he does it's usually a lot. There's a townie simplicity to Bostons posts, but that's just a first impression, and of course it's just an early read. Still need a grasp of how much he is actually following the game given he claims to have read and reread it and even took notes. Just voting 1gu doesn't give much info. I don't like this post. Why are you answering for Boston? It's a simple question that he can answer by himself. And why explain your answer in enough depth that you even say why Boston might not have picked BTDT? (assuming that's why you brought up BTDT anyway) I also feel that your read on Boston does the over-explaining thing as well because you bring up all the minor things he has done so far. Yes I gave a read on a player while Kelsier was around to talk about him. Such scum. On January 06 2017 23:25 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:18 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote: [quote]
I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted. His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful. Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. WTF? Why is ika hard town to you? And don't say he's not cuz no way would you defend him like this unless you are town who believes he's town or scum trying to get towncred if he's town. There's always a chance you are scumbuddies too with this attitude. So why are you townreading him? Let me adopt your logic for a moment: "Why are you scumreading Ika, silverwolf. Where did you scumread Ika huh?" By your logic, right now you would be scumreading Ika cause you are attacking my townread on him. But that's wrong! I can perfectly question someone's means of reading someone without having a read on that someone. Questioning the method is not the same as questioning the outcome. I didn't get the impression that Vivax made his posts against DF with the intent to defend ika so making guesses about ika's alignment from Vivax's behaviour is questionable imo. However I think that SW makes good observations about the discrepancy between Vivax's read on ika (or lack of it) and what he says regarding him. I feel like if you interact or talk about a player a lot, you should have a good reason if you end up with a null/ no read on them. I liked ika's reactions to Vivax a lot. Answering with snark? You didn't ask anything. You claimed that I answered for Boston. I clarified that I gave a read on him. This game is about trying to make oneself correctly readable as town. You could as well demand that anyone simply shuts up when he isn't asked about something specific. But this is a game of information not the military, and I can give reads on whoever I please without being asked. On January 07 2017 01:54 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 01:52 Calix wrote:On January 07 2017 01:48 Vivax wrote: So far you and Ika both asked such loaded questions that already imply I did something I did not. Obviously you're not going to get a nice answer to "Do you always beat your wife" type of questions. Your point? If you ask shitty questions you get shitty answers On January 07 2017 02:01 Vivax wrote: Should be a when*
Anyway.
I keep thinking it'd be cool if more people posted, this feels a lot like a clash between overeager townies which is what happens 80 % of the time in the average game of mafia.
I also feel a bit troubled by ika and Silver actually living together cause they had little interaction at the start of the game, but then it wore off quickly.
And Silver was very eager to jump at me for apparently defending ika. And ika brought ahead a similar argument where he said I was too sure of him being town.
Point being, they might have a common playstyle being a couple or whatever, and I don't really know how that plays out since they're new here. It did kinda feel concertated how they were bombarding me with accusations back there.
But it's just feels On January 07 2017 03:03 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 02:46 darthfoley wrote:On January 07 2017 02:36 Vivax wrote:On January 07 2017 02:33 darthfoley wrote: I'd be interested to see Kelsier's take on this Vivax/ika/SW thing when he gets a chance.
And more from Grack And yours? Of the three of you, I liked SW's responses the best. They seem natural and attentive without being scared of making conclusions. I am town reading her I understand your initial questioning, but I don't like how you play semantics over the B0ston thing. Your first sentence is clearly more than a read imo On January 06 2017 21:29 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 19:56 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
This is true of many people so why is onegu the vote? I guessed that's just his way of doing things, ie judging people by perceived usefulness/compliance. And 1gu really looks like he's doing the least, which sadly isn't alignment indicative. BTDT still has to post but when he does it's usually a lot. There's a townie simplicity to Bostons posts, but that's just a first impression, and of course it's just an early read. Still need a grasp of how much he is actually following the game given he claims to have read and reread it and even took notes. Just voting 1gu doesn't give much info. It's understandable why people think you're answering for him, indirectly with the "I guess" qualifier. So I don't like that you deflected and then kind of pulled an "OMGUS, the questions I got weren't up to my liking!" Yea I checked his answers to the questionnaire and figured he was a newbie. And as newbie one tends to strictly pay attention to how useful or compliant a person looks, so only obvious he'd go after 1gu. That's where my guess comes from. The burden of proof's on you ika. Show me the town case. Wait what am I looking at? You quoted Vivax a bunch of times? Is this your explanation as to why you think he's town? Why are you so stubborn to keep this read a secret. If it's as solid as you seem to believe then you'll win people to your case and advance the game. could you see them being scum as a team where kmatt is trying to coach him on what to do and stop the fight with me? See who being a team?
Good question. There are 3 people in the quoted IIRC. wanna guess who im talking about?
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On January 08 2017 04:49 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 04:46 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 04:43 Grackaroni wrote:This guy could be scum. On January 07 2017 04:38 Kmatt wrote: Vivax I don't like any of his posts individually but is among the only people being active and pushing. As I said above, town arguing with town On January 07 2017 11:32 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:29 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:26 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:25 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:21 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:19 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:05 Grackaroni wrote: Which of your posts are townie? Can you tell me why they are townie? Love the avoiding of my question and instead deflect it back to me. It goes straight to the heart of the question. If you cannot quote some posts to prove yourself town to me then surely I cannot do so to convince you that Vivax is town I've already given an answer that I find satisfactory. I like the effort he's putting into the game. I like the angles that he's pushing. I like his attitude and response to being pressured. i asked first so burden of proof is on you. Also the question you are asking is not the same as what i am asking. You are asking em to prove I am town not somebody else. My question is asking you to prove your read on someone else not yourself. Again, show me posts that show the efforts and angles you are talking about. Otherwise i will say your fabricating the read on him. Then I will alter the task. Prove to me that Silverwolf is town. Answer mine first, the burden of proof is on you. Also IIRC you have already called her town so i question your reason for a pointless task. I'm doing this because my read isn't based off of any one post. I find the task stupid. And if you show your quotes for silverwolf being town then I will show why I think so by applying the exact same things you say to Vivax. Anything that you can say to call her townie could be equally applied to him. It doesn't look great that he's joining in on this when he had the exact same general non post based read on Vivax as I had. He should have been able to understand by predicament! On January 07 2017 11:53 Kmatt wrote: And now that I'm caught up:
Grack, I don't know what you're trying to do here, but you're better off not. You can't just say "oh this guy is town" and then refuse to explain the read in detail. As counter-intuitive as it sounds, that's more scummy than having a scumread you won't elaborate.
On January 07 2017 11:56 Kmatt wrote:On January 07 2017 11:52 Grackaroni wrote:+ Show Spoiler +The following posts are Grack approved posts for reasons that Grackaroni has specified in earlier posts. On January 06 2017 09:19 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:16 KelsierSC wrote: well this start is shit tier, where dem boyz at? Seen a bunch of people flip mafia who complained about the state of the game at the start of the game, in my lifetime. Tempts me to find out if this is the case again. On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:43 Calix wrote: I sense I'll have an aneurysm at this rate.
DF, you seem sensible. What else have you noticed so far? I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote: [quote]
I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted. His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful. Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude. It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol. It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. On January 06 2017 21:29 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 19:56 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
This is true of many people so why is onegu the vote? I guessed that's just his way of doing things, ie judging people by perceived usefulness/compliance. And 1gu really looks like he's doing the least, which sadly isn't alignment indicative. BTDT still has to post but when he does it's usually a lot. There's a townie simplicity to Bostons posts, but that's just a first impression, and of course it's just an early read. Still need a grasp of how much he is actually following the game given he claims to have read and reread it and even took notes. Just voting 1gu doesn't give much info. On January 06 2017 23:25 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:18 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote: [quote]
I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted. His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful. Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. WTF? Why is ika hard town to you? And don't say he's not cuz no way would you defend him like this unless you are town who believes he's town or scum trying to get towncred if he's town. There's always a chance you are scumbuddies too with this attitude. So why are you townreading him? Let me adopt your logic for a moment: "Why are you scumreading Ika, silverwolf. Where did you scumread Ika huh?" By your logic, right now you would be scumreading Ika cause you are attacking my townread on him. But that's wrong! I can perfectly question someone's means of reading someone without having a read on that someone. Questioning the method is not the same as questioning the outcome. On January 06 2017 23:31 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:26 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 21:29 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 19:56 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
This is true of many people so why is onegu the vote? I guessed that's just his way of doing things, ie judging people by perceived usefulness/compliance. And 1gu really looks like he's doing the least, which sadly isn't alignment indicative. BTDT still has to post but when he does it's usually a lot. There's a townie simplicity to Bostons posts, but that's just a first impression, and of course it's just an early read. Still need a grasp of how much he is actually following the game given he claims to have read and reread it and even took notes. Just voting 1gu doesn't give much info. I don't like this post. Why are you answering for Boston? It's a simple question that he can answer by himself. And why explain your answer in enough depth that you even say why Boston might not have picked BTDT? (assuming that's why you brought up BTDT anyway) I also feel that your read on Boston does the over-explaining thing as well because you bring up all the minor things he has done so far. Yes I gave a read on a player while Kelsier was around to talk about him. Such scum. On January 07 2017 00:31 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 00:02 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 23:40 Vivax wrote: I don't have a read on ika so far and I don't need to have one to question darthfoley's read on him. No, you don't have to have a read on ika to say darthfoley's read on him is bad. I agree. The problem I have is the way you are doing it. Basically, ika no longer has to answer the suspicion because you interjected. Not only interjected but also defended ika by asking if darthfoley has his meta and implying that ika's questions are not scummy. You have a right to have an opinion on ika's questioning but the way you are doing it is very protective of ika. If you have no read of ika, this doesn't make much sense. I guess my gut just pinged hard off of that and also I think you interjected when someone was questioning someone else-I think Calix pointed this out already. Anyway, from my experience, scum like to do this because they get towncred for defending people they know are town. It's way too early to have a super strong opinion on someone's alignment, unless you know that alignment. Doesn't mean we can't have reads. We certainly can. But when I would of preferred to see ika answer the suspicion and engage with darth rather than have you interject. Sorry if I'm not explaining myself well. I'm tired and rambling right now. Be back in a little bit. Ika has to answer the suspicion if you, or anyone else for that matter, make him feel like he has to. In your opinion I made him feel like he didn't have to cause I defended him by suspecting darthfoley. Well, I can and will voice my suspicion when I think I found something worthwhile and darthfoley can take his time to reply whenever he wants, just as ika can answer to darthfoley whenever he wants. So I don't think I hindered the scumhunting of someone in any way by doing my own. If you really think that darthfoley's line of thought was so worth it and cause of me, a hypothetical mafia ika got off the hook, you can still always ask ika about it yourself. But you rather saw it as important to reprimand me/call me mafia, not sure what it is yet. On January 07 2017 01:17 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 01:12 SilverWolf77 wrote: No, it isn't that I think darthfoley's suspicion of ika is worth it.
It's more that I saw you defending two people who you don't have a townread on. By saying B0stonSC just does things that way is a defense of him before he can even answer the question directed at him. You asking darth if he has ika's meta looked like a defense of ika.
Also, In response to my suspicion, you deflected or tried to discredit rather than just explaining yourself further.
That said, giving your own opinion of B0stonSC's opening or your own opinion of darth's read on ika as fake is totally valid and not scummy to me at all.
There's a difference between discrediting and trying to expose why your reasoning is wrong. You also said I was sarcastic when I wasn't at all, I just emulated your logic. On January 07 2017 01:41 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 01:26 Calix wrote:I'm starting to relate to those people who always whine about how hard Calix vs NU is to read because I find the ika/ SW/ Vivax thing hard to follow. I'm still not sure I actually understand the full details of the case against Vivax. The one point that I really relate to is how Vivax deflects questions about his talking-for-people tendency with snark and doesn't answer them. When I asked about why he was answering for Boston he did that and he did it later on with SW. I see no purpose in speaking for other people on simple questions like "why did you vote for Onegu" and reads like busywork. I want an explanation for that because that's scummy as hell and he didn't counter that point off-the-cuff. + Show Spoiler [Evidence and shit] +On January 06 2017 23:31 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:26 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 21:29 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 19:56 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
This is true of many people so why is onegu the vote? I guessed that's just his way of doing things, ie judging people by perceived usefulness/compliance. And 1gu really looks like he's doing the least, which sadly isn't alignment indicative. BTDT still has to post but when he does it's usually a lot. There's a townie simplicity to Bostons posts, but that's just a first impression, and of course it's just an early read. Still need a grasp of how much he is actually following the game given he claims to have read and reread it and even took notes. Just voting 1gu doesn't give much info. I don't like this post. Why are you answering for Boston? It's a simple question that he can answer by himself. And why explain your answer in enough depth that you even say why Boston might not have picked BTDT? (assuming that's why you brought up BTDT anyway) I also feel that your read on Boston does the over-explaining thing as well because you bring up all the minor things he has done so far. Yes I gave a read on a player while Kelsier was around to talk about him. Such scum. On January 06 2017 23:25 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:18 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote: [quote]
I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted. His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful. Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. WTF? Why is ika hard town to you? And don't say he's not cuz no way would you defend him like this unless you are town who believes he's town or scum trying to get towncred if he's town. There's always a chance you are scumbuddies too with this attitude. So why are you townreading him? Let me adopt your logic for a moment: "Why are you scumreading Ika, silverwolf. Where did you scumread Ika huh?" By your logic, right now you would be scumreading Ika cause you are attacking my townread on him. But that's wrong! I can perfectly question someone's means of reading someone without having a read on that someone. Questioning the method is not the same as questioning the outcome. I didn't get the impression that Vivax made his posts against DF with the intent to defend ika so making guesses about ika's alignment from Vivax's behaviour is questionable imo. However I think that SW makes good observations about the discrepancy between Vivax's read on ika (or lack of it) and what he says regarding him. I feel like if you interact or talk about a player a lot, you should have a good reason if you end up with a null/ no read on them. I liked ika's reactions to Vivax a lot. Answering with snark? You didn't ask anything. You claimed that I answered for Boston. I clarified that I gave a read on him. This game is about trying to make oneself correctly readable as town. You could as well demand that anyone simply shuts up when he isn't asked about something specific. But this is a game of information not the military, and I can give reads on whoever I please without being asked. On January 07 2017 01:54 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 01:52 Calix wrote:On January 07 2017 01:48 Vivax wrote: So far you and Ika both asked such loaded questions that already imply I did something I did not. Obviously you're not going to get a nice answer to "Do you always beat your wife" type of questions. Your point? If you ask shitty questions you get shitty answers On January 07 2017 02:01 Vivax wrote: Should be a when*
Anyway.
I keep thinking it'd be cool if more people posted, this feels a lot like a clash between overeager townies which is what happens 80 % of the time in the average game of mafia.
I also feel a bit troubled by ika and Silver actually living together cause they had little interaction at the start of the game, but then it wore off quickly.
And Silver was very eager to jump at me for apparently defending ika. And ika brought ahead a similar argument where he said I was too sure of him being town.
Point being, they might have a common playstyle being a couple or whatever, and I don't really know how that plays out since they're new here. It did kinda feel concertated how they were bombarding me with accusations back there.
But it's just feels On January 07 2017 03:03 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 02:46 darthfoley wrote:On January 07 2017 02:36 Vivax wrote:On January 07 2017 02:33 darthfoley wrote: I'd be interested to see Kelsier's take on this Vivax/ika/SW thing when he gets a chance.
And more from Grack And yours? Of the three of you, I liked SW's responses the best. They seem natural and attentive without being scared of making conclusions. I am town reading her I understand your initial questioning, but I don't like how you play semantics over the B0ston thing. Your first sentence is clearly more than a read imo On January 06 2017 21:29 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 19:56 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
This is true of many people so why is onegu the vote? I guessed that's just his way of doing things, ie judging people by perceived usefulness/compliance. And 1gu really looks like he's doing the least, which sadly isn't alignment indicative. BTDT still has to post but when he does it's usually a lot. There's a townie simplicity to Bostons posts, but that's just a first impression, and of course it's just an early read. Still need a grasp of how much he is actually following the game given he claims to have read and reread it and even took notes. Just voting 1gu doesn't give much info. It's understandable why people think you're answering for him, indirectly with the "I guess" qualifier. So I don't like that you deflected and then kind of pulled an "OMGUS, the questions I got weren't up to my liking!" Yea I checked his answers to the questionnaire and figured he was a newbie. And as newbie one tends to strictly pay attention to how useful or compliant a person looks, so only obvious he'd go after 1gu. That's where my guess comes from. The burden of proof's on you ika. Show me the town case. Wait what am I looking at? You quoted Vivax a bunch of times? Is this your explanation as to why you think he's town? Why are you so stubborn to keep this read a secret. If it's as solid as you seem to believe then you'll win people to your case and advance the game. could you see them being scum as a team where kmatt is trying to coach him on what to do and stop the fight with me? Scummers have constant chat on this site so I'm not sold on that reasoning. Not to mention that making pre-flips is bad play. Do you think the Kmatt point stands regardless of Vivax?
I would have to rerun an iso. the quotes are starting to get jumbled and im slightly tired so my brain is mostly fried.
i normaly dont make pre-flips either but it helps to try to work out potential worlds or people who are unaligned
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On January 08 2017 04:56 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 04:48 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 04:44 Grackaroni wrote:On January 08 2017 04:35 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 06 2017 09:39 Grackaroni wrote: I'll answer the questions.
1) I'm always town. 2) 5 years 3) no 4) spammy 5) We'll have to find out. 6) Probably Calix. Answer to 5) is really interesting here. If you choose to answer those questions, I think you could as well be honest about year meta. Because if you play to your alignment meta, it's really easy to identify if you are the opposite alignment (wow my wording is poor) so I'm wondering why Grack is not revealing what his meta is? This is opportunistic reasoning. He's only saying this because my lynch is currently on the table and he wants to find something to use against me. how about you answer it instead of yelling "OMG HES GONNA VOTE ME OFF OPPORTUNISTIC REASONING" god im in a good mood right now so this makes me laugh Umm I think this is a perfectly reasonable response to someone who comes into the thread 4 hours before the deadline with activity excuses, and then just so happens to find something scummy with the first post of the guy who's up for lynch.
well 2 things:
1) his vote is elsewhere so thats the first 2) i find it that scum would prob be more drive by and almost naked vote large wagon or do vanity but thats jsut me
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On January 08 2017 05:02 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:01 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 04:56 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 04:48 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 04:44 Grackaroni wrote:On January 08 2017 04:35 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 06 2017 09:39 Grackaroni wrote: I'll answer the questions.
1) I'm always town. 2) 5 years 3) no 4) spammy 5) We'll have to find out. 6) Probably Calix. Answer to 5) is really interesting here. If you choose to answer those questions, I think you could as well be honest about year meta. Because if you play to your alignment meta, it's really easy to identify if you are the opposite alignment (wow my wording is poor) so I'm wondering why Grack is not revealing what his meta is? This is opportunistic reasoning. He's only saying this because my lynch is currently on the table and he wants to find something to use against me. how about you answer it instead of yelling "OMG HES GONNA VOTE ME OFF OPPORTUNISTIC REASONING" god im in a good mood right now so this makes me laugh Umm I think this is a perfectly reasonable response to someone who comes into the thread 4 hours before the deadline with activity excuses, and then just so happens to find something scummy with the first post of the guy who's up for lynch. well 2 things: 1) his vote is elsewhere so thats the first 2) i find it that scum would prob be more drive by and almost naked vote large wagon or do vanity but thats jsut me Can you explain your second point? I don't really understand the language you used. ELI5
Ya sure, im jsut slghtly tired so you can see whats going on when i get like this.
but anways:
Most times what I see from scum is they do this come in and make shitty ass exuse about rl or not says they are going to read up and be gone for like an hr or so come back with crap notes and vote a person OR jsut be like "sorry dont have time so "vote X" and leave
hes doing more then that so its why i beg to differ overall
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On January 08 2017 05:13 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:01 beentheredonethat wrote:The huge case on - B0stonSC + Show Spoiler [TL;DR] +So, first: On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote: Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This is on page 9. He has like 5 pages or so to go for. 10 minutes later, he posts as the very first thing an answer to the questionnaire. That's it. Off to a re-read it is: On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) Question is, why would you re-read the game at this stage? Maybe you missed a big scum-tell or a TMI call even? Was there a blue claim or something? But okay, if you have to re-read, you re-read. But why tell the world about it? Why not just re-read? To have something to say. Out of the re-read comes a Onegu vote: On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
There's no reasoning. On the contrary, it's even the first person to have claimed something. Note how Onegu has made 3(!) posts in total (if I got the timestamps correctly). Here they are: + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim On January 06 2017 09:39 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Could you not I could. I did. Dont know what you want here... On January 06 2017 09:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Why? Why not? This is not really AI for the Onegu I got to know but of course it's very easy for someone who's new to the site to interpret this as scummy. So easy vote. And then, the only contribution to the thread before he leaves: On January 06 2017 15:32 B0stonSC wrote: The hell is a zj? Wow. Awesome! When he returns, he doublechecks for his vote which is NAI imho, so pass. But apparently, the guys has caught up: On January 07 2017 07:32 B0stonSC wrote: Okay, so after catching up, I have a few things to respond on.
First, as to why I am not more active, is that I have not a whole lot of time to play mafia during the week, so what I am doing is catching up, responding to everything I feel needs a response, giving my reads, then getting back off. You may flame me for this, but unless it's the weekend this will be how I play. I do have a life you know, but mafia is a lot of fun (which is why I wanted to play it).
As to why I voted Onegu (asked three times, by my count), he has made a claim (with the first post of the game) and then posted a non informative post. That's all he has done. I wanted to see what happens if he gets a bit of pressure on him, but after this amount of time I feel that he is just inactive.
On to my reads, Kmatt feels very much a scummy player to me becuase he is posting quite a bit now, but it doesn't feel like he is accomplishing anything. DarthFoley seems waaaay too defensive, so that seems odd, but I'll keep looking at him so I can get a more solid read. Vivax and MichaelEhrmantraut seem a bit off. Nothing suspicious, but just a bit not quite correct to me. This is more of a gut read than anything else, so I'll be doing a reread (probably today) for just them to see what's up. The thing is, we HAVE weekend and there's literally nothing that improved in terms of activity so there's a lie. He's not even around right now, or is he. He explains the Onegu vote with "I want to pressure him" which should be a good idea. But if you're absolutely not grounding your pressure on anything, how is it real pressure? It will work out against you and I assume that he'll know that. His reads are off. Like, here's a "gut feeling", there's a "seems off" , there's a "seems odd", but he'll of course keep looking at them. That's so wishy washy. Absolutely not liking that. Promises another reread.... On January 07 2017 07:37 B0stonSC wrote: Oh, a vote on me! Well, my entrance was terrible, I do admit, but I did address why I did not follow up on Onegu (I just voted to see if he was here, apparently not). I also admit that I am not the most active right now, that's just due to real life. Just read my post here, but the TLDR is REAL LIFE limits my weekday activity. Yeah now it's weekend where are you On January 07 2017 07:43 B0stonSC wrote: Oh I'm definately going to switch my vote, I'm just torn as to who. As soon as I can finish my read throughs, I'll post again about my reads. One more note, tommorrow I won't be online until about 2 hours before the deadline. I am sorry about this, but real life takes up a lot of my time. I'M NOT VOTING ONEGU BECAUSE PEOPLE SCUMREAD ME FOR IT GEEZ GUYS IM NOT DOING IT I CANT BE SCUM this guy is scum I do not think activity is AI. When it comes to low activity such as my self I try to be as substantive as possible to make up for it. B0stonSC on the other hand makes a big deal out of his activity, and his posts hold very little objective value. Thank you for presenting your views. I still hold the belief that Grack's intent to blow conversations up and to prevent people from making any progress on leads makes me feel like he is scum. I would say bad town play if he was a newbie, but he is on the veterans list.
Are you calling B0 town? Is it possible that both of them are scum?
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On January 08 2017 05:29 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:26 SilverWolf77 wrote: @Vivax-Why is Grackaroni town? I don't see anything, since he's come back to the thread to make me think he's trying to move the game forward. If anything, he's continuing to pick fights with ika and complaining about it. Reading his filter, I don't see anything that makes me want to give him a townread. No strong pushes, no strong reads, constant arguing with one of his townreads. What am I missing? It's very subjective but he's the only one who stood up for me when he didn't have any reason to if he were mafia. And I can totally understand his frustration when dealing with you and ika cause I've been through that too.
So....
Because he town reads you and defend you he is town?
As for the later, hes still not doing anything and even now im calling him out on it. I have not fought with him and are instead trying to get him to do shit but he refuses
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On January 08 2017 05:36 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:31 Calix wrote: reps, has your read on Grack changed at all? If not, what makes Boston scummier? My scum leans are B0, Grack, and Vivax. B0- No objective posts. Grack- Deliberate intent to derail conversations which could lead to town reads. Believes we should only argue who is mafia and values not finding town reads. Vivax- Veteran player which defends people when a person should defend themselves.
Then why did you change your vote?
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On January 08 2017 05:41 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:36 reps)squishy wrote:On January 08 2017 05:31 Calix wrote: reps, has your read on Grack changed at all? If not, what makes Boston scummier? My scum leans are B0, Grack, and Vivax. B0- No objective posts. Grack- Deliberate intent to derail conversations which could lead to town reads. Believes we should only argue who is mafia and values not finding town reads. Vivax- Veteran player which defends people when a person should defend themselves. Why is someone with no posts more likely to be scum than someone who is derailing conversations where people are trying to get reads? I dislike this sudden attention to B0stonSC. I was scumreading him too but it's a weak player and an easy push to get the vote off of the stronger players who are acting scummy as well. I can totally see mafia coming in at the end of the day and trying to push the lynch like this.
Im tempted to move my vote over to grack and need to re-ios reps
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On January 08 2017 05:41 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:35 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 08 2017 05:30 reps)squishy wrote: ##unvote ##vote: B0stonSC This gives me a real uneasy feeling that you are trying to swing the lynch off Grackaroni. He still feels scummy to me. If a good argument comes out against him, I will vote to lynch him again.
Who do you think is more scummy?
If the votes were tied on them right now and you were the decider who would you pick and why
i moved my vote becasue I find this switch of the vote and the reason here to be very weak and an attempt to save someone when their own logic dictates that they should of had no problem leaving the said vote
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On January 08 2017 05:58 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:43 beentheredonethat wrote: Ah let's just lynch Vivax. He's not really responding to stuff, only very specifically, although he's around, and there's not really a sharp meaning in his words but I feel like he's speaking a lot but not saying very much.
##unvote ##vote Vivax Woah I thought we were on the same page here! B0 has a scum lead. I think Vivax is a lead, but why so suddenly. What is your argument for Vivax other than he is not here right now? I was trying to argue Grack was more suspicious, but as I was doing it I had a change of thought. I switched my vote because your argument I felt was better than mine. Grack is a more experienced player which could be more devastating we just let him run rampant. Any thorough argument for the people that I am leaning on will convince me.
and this is the porblem.
STICK WITH YOUR GUNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
+ Show Spoiler [rant] +always no matter what stick with your reads. if you rely on just others because they make better argument, you will never win and be misguided over and over. If you think they have a good case and you scum read them, great! but dont jsut go "ok better case, give up" either convince them of your case build your up more.
The only reason to switch like that is becasue the wagon would be beuilding yours looks terrible
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On January 08 2017 06:06 Grackaroni wrote: There's no one left here.
I am the Doctor
This claim is very easily counter claimable and well worth it if I am scum. If there is no counter claim then for all intents and purposes I should be confirmed.
Swika town reads all of the people that agree with them and scum reads those that do not. At the rate we are going we will mow through the town.
Not really? Honestly i dont see many people agreeing with us. I see more of it being "well we do our own reason but have same conclusions"
If you want to pull quotes to disprove this go ahead
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On January 08 2017 06:11 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 06:09 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 06:06 Grackaroni wrote: There's no one left here.
I am the Doctor
This claim is very easily counter claimable and well worth it if I am scum. If there is no counter claim then for all intents and purposes I should be confirmed.
Swika town reads all of the people that agree with them and scum reads those that do not. At the rate we are going we will mow through the town. Not really? Honestly i dont see many people agreeing with us. I see more of it being "well we do our own reason but have same conclusions" If you want to pull quotes to disprove this go ahead Well now that Grack is basically confirmed, who do you want to lynch?
im debating to myself betweeen bos and vivax
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On January 08 2017 06:13 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 06:06 Grackaroni wrote: There's no one left here.
I am the Doctor
This claim is very easily counter claimable and well worth it if I am scum. If there is no counter claim then for all intents and purposes I should be confirmed.
Swika town reads all of the people that agree with them and scum reads those that do not. At the rate we are going we will mow through the town. TPR claim with 3 hours left in the day? Fan-fucking-tastic. Unless someone counterclaims then I'm moving my vote to Vivax. I prefer him over KSC.
Why?
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On January 08 2017 06:13 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 06:06 Grackaroni wrote: There's no one left here.
I am the Doctor
This claim is very easily counter claimable and well worth it if I am scum. If there is no counter claim then for all intents and purposes I should be confirmed.
Swika town reads all of the people that agree with them and scum reads those that do not. At the rate we are going we will mow through the town. That's a lie. I am the doctor. Everyone ##vote Grackaroni
OMG........
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rep is partner trying to save grak.
calling it now
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On January 08 2017 06:15 Grackaroni wrote: This blame for this one is not falling on me lol.
Your scum buddies told you to claim doc?
I mean if your town we have confirmed scum in the ohter.
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On January 08 2017 06:16 Calix wrote: Extremely poor play for scum to CC like that re: BTDT. D1 scum lynch, here we come :D
how long has it been scicne you had a d1 scum lynch calix?
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On January 08 2017 06:17 Vivax wrote: I refuse to believe Grack is mafia. But I didn't have high expectations in a newbie game. You are free to lynch the wrong guys how you please.
so you think BTDT is scum?
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On January 08 2017 06:22 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 06:21 darthfoley wrote: I don't see the scum motivation for Grack to fake claim because the votes were tied at like 3
But I don't see the scum motivation for BTDT to cc as scum
But one has to be scum No there are plenty of instances where VTs claim some PR for whatever reason
Anyone who claims PR as VT like this i would argue is not only greifing but borderline gamethrowing. Im not commenting further on this matter until post game regarding that specific point
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On January 08 2017 06:25 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 06:22 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 06:21 darthfoley wrote: I don't see the scum motivation for Grack to fake claim because the votes were tied at like 3
But I don't see the scum motivation for BTDT to cc as scum
But one has to be scum No there are plenty of instances where VTs claim some PR for whatever reason Why the hell would this ever happen. Also Grack saying to lynch BTDT after him doesn't make sense from VT POV because as VT he wouldn't know BTDT was lying
I want to see a game where it has happened here on this site
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On January 08 2017 06:27 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 06:26 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 06:25 Grackaroni wrote:On January 08 2017 06:23 Calix wrote: Why the fuck would a VT counter-claim Medic? That's extremely anti-town given that the Medic would likely die at night. It happens very frequently. Are you thinking this is the case here then? I'm super confused as to how people's first reactions to a cc situation is "both of them are town" I believe so, yes.
Are their mutiple games where this has happeend? has it happened with you and anohter player? what about BTDT?
One game does not make it sufficent to be invaild
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On January 08 2017 06:29 Vivax wrote: Ika why don't you take at face value that it simply happened? I've seen fake cop claims, fake vigilante claims from VTs. Do you really need us to take you by the hand and lead you to where it happened? Are we all mafia lying to you?
Becasue the face vaule of both are town who are either VT/VT or Doc/VT is so bad that i would be more willing to accept it if it was 2 newbies doing it.
Both players are considered veterans so if they are doing what you think is happening (town/town) i question their skills as players becasue the single idea of doing so is so anti-town and so time wasting and annoying and pissoffy that i would bar them from playing any games of mine and most likely policy lynch them in any game i play with them.
Its not a protown move and is litarly greifing at best.
now im droping this subject untill one flips/post game becasue its going to get into the line of this
Ban discussions: Please wait until this game is over to talk about modkills and bans resulting from this game.
and im not going there. so if you would be kind to drop it for now we can save it for post game
now i got stuff to do and im not going to be here for EOD
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On January 08 2017 06:31 Calix wrote: I think ika/ SW and myself are having the same culture shock tbh.
Fake ccs are extremely rare on our site.
Your right, its more about those "scum slips"
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On January 08 2017 06:36 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 06:33 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 06:29 Vivax wrote: Ika why don't you take at face value that it simply happened? I've seen fake cop claims, fake vigilante claims from VTs. Do you really need us to take you by the hand and lead you to where it happened? Are we all mafia lying to you? Becasue the face vaule of both are town who are either VT/VT or Doc/VT is so bad that i would be more willing to accept it if it was 2 newbies doing it. Both players are considered veterans so if they are doing what you think is happening (town/town) i question their skills as players becasue the single idea of doing so is so anti-town and so time wasting and annoying and pissoffy that i would bar them from playing any games of mine and most likely policy lynch them in any game i play with them. Its not a protown move and is litarly greifing at best. now im droping this subject untill one flips/post game becasue its going to get into the line of this Ban discussions: Please wait until this game is over to talk about modkills and bans resulting from this game. and im not going there. so if you would be kind to drop it for now we can save it for post game now i got stuff to do and im not going to be here for EOD I think you are overrating the veteran thingy. Calix has played not even a year here and is considered veteran. What I want to say is that veteran in this game only means that someone has played mroe than three newbie games, not necessarily that he's a mafia professional.
maybe so. but doesnt change what i will say/how i feel about it
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On January 08 2017 06:40 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 06:38 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 06:34 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 06:31 Calix wrote: I think ika/ SW and myself are having the same culture shock tbh.
Fake ccs are extremely rare on our site. I would trust BTDT to do such a thing cause he's 1) In two games, 2) His play is pretty f*ing weird this game and I don't know if he's a tilting town or rolled scum and sees no hope of winning or something. I'm just ignoring the claims cause Grack imo is simply town, claim or not, and mafia will sort it out for us at night cause they'd be stupid not to kill a doctor. As with most discussion around claims for lynching, it's mostly useless. I prefer sticking to the old plan and lynching Kelsier for his initial comment on the game and not being around as someone who is capable of caring as town. No. One of them has to die because they'll cause too much disruption re: WIFOM. Scum has RBer so they'll just claim that's why they were left alive and time will be wasted on discussing whether they're town or scum fake-claiming and blah blah blah. I'd rather clear shit up right now. Yes and spend the next two days on autopilot, and worst case they both flip town and town accomplished nothing besides mislynching the doctor while mafia can focus on picking off targets for their play and not their role. In all bluntess: Your plan sucks
And in all bluntness: leaving them is jsut a battle of WIFOM that will clog the entire thread day 2 onward untill they do get resloved
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On January 08 2017 06:43 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 06:40 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 06:38 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 06:34 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 06:31 Calix wrote: I think ika/ SW and myself are having the same culture shock tbh.
Fake ccs are extremely rare on our site. I would trust BTDT to do such a thing cause he's 1) In two games, 2) His play is pretty f*ing weird this game and I don't know if he's a tilting town or rolled scum and sees no hope of winning or something. I'm just ignoring the claims cause Grack imo is simply town, claim or not, and mafia will sort it out for us at night cause they'd be stupid not to kill a doctor. As with most discussion around claims for lynching, it's mostly useless. I prefer sticking to the old plan and lynching Kelsier for his initial comment on the game and not being around as someone who is capable of caring as town. No. One of them has to die because they'll cause too much disruption re: WIFOM. Scum has RBer so they'll just claim that's why they were left alive and time will be wasted on discussing whether they're town or scum fake-claiming and blah blah blah. I'd rather clear shit up right now. Yes and spend the next two days on autopilot, and worst case they both flip town and town accomplished nothing besides mislynching the doctor while mafia can focus on picking off targets for their play and not their role. In all bluntess: Your plan sucks Obviously we wouldn't just focus on those two for two days, that's burning time. But there is no way that both of them can be allowed to live and disrupt discussion. Optimal play is to lynch the guy who got cc'd. That much is clear to me. If he's the real medic then we'll go from there and I'll try to keep the weird "woo VTs cc all the time" argument that you guys seem to be using in mind but as it stands, I cannot fathom how fucking bad a play that is for VT to do.
Oh trust me, if both are VTs (or even one of them and other is doc) there will be an uproar coming from me post game.
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On January 08 2017 06:46 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 06:45 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 06:43 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 06:40 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 06:38 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 06:34 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 06:31 Calix wrote: I think ika/ SW and myself are having the same culture shock tbh.
Fake ccs are extremely rare on our site. I would trust BTDT to do such a thing cause he's 1) In two games, 2) His play is pretty f*ing weird this game and I don't know if he's a tilting town or rolled scum and sees no hope of winning or something. I'm just ignoring the claims cause Grack imo is simply town, claim or not, and mafia will sort it out for us at night cause they'd be stupid not to kill a doctor. As with most discussion around claims for lynching, it's mostly useless. I prefer sticking to the old plan and lynching Kelsier for his initial comment on the game and not being around as someone who is capable of caring as town. No. One of them has to die because they'll cause too much disruption re: WIFOM. Scum has RBer so they'll just claim that's why they were left alive and time will be wasted on discussing whether they're town or scum fake-claiming and blah blah blah. I'd rather clear shit up right now. Yes and spend the next two days on autopilot, and worst case they both flip town and town accomplished nothing besides mislynching the doctor while mafia can focus on picking off targets for their play and not their role. In all bluntess: Your plan sucks Obviously we wouldn't just focus on those two for two days, that's burning time. But there is no way that both of them can be allowed to live and disrupt discussion. Optimal play is to lynch the guy who got cc'd. That much is clear to me. If he's the real medic then we'll go from there and I'll try to keep the weird "woo VTs cc all the time" argument that you guys seem to be using in mind but as it stands, I cannot fathom how fucking bad a play that is for VT to do. Oh trust me, if both are VTs (or even one of them and other is doc) there will be an uproar coming from me post game. You know it's bad when I actually agree with you, lol.
bad is the understatemnt. Silverwolf would be wanting somoens head on a platter if its the case
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On January 08 2017 09:42 Kmatt wrote: Yeah we have an active PR in either a cop or vet, if you have something to say might as well get it out there.
its cop or vig....
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On January 08 2017 09:50 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 09:35 B0stonSC wrote: Why not post your tinfoil theory now? We witnessed some animosity at the beginning of the game between Calix and BTDT but I don't know what it was all about. Either way it could be they're scum together and btdt thought he could trade himself for a townie, thereby throwing the game but with some drawbacks for town as well, as a means of payback for whatever his issue with Calix is. Either way it is what it is, a tinfoil theory and if I decide to lock in Calix as mafia, it's not going to be for this reason. I'm just using my imagination.
i would peg her more as scum due to the fact she has been passive for most of the game. Last game she was a doctor and was super agressive.
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On January 08 2017 08:59 Grackaroni wrote: For my first and final act as confirmed town:
I demand a comprehensive town case on Silverwolf from ika.
IMG
The BURDEN OF PROOF has passed to you, my friend. No more excuses! Will you heed the call?
lol.
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anyway, beentheredonethat is scum at this point.
ill go read the thread again in a bit.
viax do you still think BTDT is town?
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On January 08 2017 09:15 darthfoley wrote: Also town points to Kmatt and Vivax for actually giving a fuck about this flip
i dont give town points for reaction to a flip
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On January 08 2017 09:04 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 09:02 darthfoley wrote: Give me one reason not to fucking lynch btdt The only one I can think of is that he's tilting and throwing as town. But it's still a nobrainer to do it and he will get my vote no matter what. Really sad that grack, a player I've known since Game of Thrones mafia and who has clearly shown his skill this game, had to go cause of him.
I would love to see where he showed his "skills" cus TBH, all he did was keep aruging with me about the town read on you and then at EOD complained how me/SW are running the show and when i then asked him to show it or asked him what hes doing to fix that he went "lets not do it again"
I mean, the fact he got run up and had to claim already shows enough. Yes the voters are at fault too, but frankly, if you have a town read on someone and someone ask to elaborate or substance it, it should not be a fight over it. Its anti-town and does nothing but stall the game and makes it look like you have a fabricated read
/end rant
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On January 08 2017 12:50 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 12:33 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 09:04 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 09:02 darthfoley wrote: Give me one reason not to fucking lynch btdt The only one I can think of is that he's tilting and throwing as town. But it's still a nobrainer to do it and he will get my vote no matter what. Really sad that grack, a player I've known since Game of Thrones mafia and who has clearly shown his skill this game, had to go cause of him. I would love to see where he showed his "skills" cus TBH, all he did was keep aruging with me about the town read on you and then at EOD complained how me/SW are running the show and when i then asked him to show it or asked him what hes doing to fix that he went "lets not do it again" I mean, the fact he got run up and had to claim already shows enough. Yes the voters are at fault too, but frankly, if you have a town read on someone and someone ask to elaborate or substance it, it should not be a fight over it. Its anti-town and does nothing but stall the game and makes it look like you have a fabricated read /end rant You and SW caused a lot of ruckus in the wrong places, 1) for example on me and Grack who both happen to be townies. 2)But you think Grack should be blamed for being frustrated at you and SW, when it's perfectly understandable as both of you also misrepresented me as defending you and asked me loaded questions and then reprimanded me for not answering them. 3) Plus you are also full of yourself and a big hypocrite cause when I asked you a question you denied me the answer. 4)But if you think you are so good all you have to do is look at the lynch you supported.
1) how do i know you are town? i dont 2) it makes little sense FMPOV to have someone as null but question the person who is slight scum reading them. Your post give implications that you had a town read on me so no misrepresntation 3) what question? if you quote it i will gladly answer it. 4) plz read my post before you even try to take that high ground cus i said and quote
I mean, the fact he got run up and had to claim already shows enough. Yes the voters are at fault too, but frankly, if you have a town read on someone and someone ask to elaborate or substance it, it should not be a fight over it. Its anti-town and does nothing but stall the game and makes it look like you have a fabricated read
I accepted i was wrong already but grack is equal blame.
On January 06 2017 23:07 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 22:56 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 22:28 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:43 Calix wrote: I sense I'll have an aneurysm at this rate.
DF, you seem sensible. What else have you noticed so far? I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted. His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful. Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? how come you are acting like i am town? How does that question have anything to do with your alignment? On January 06 2017 22:35 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote: [quote]
Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude. It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol. It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. Yea scum try to appear useful. This is why I focused on ika compared to someone like Onegu. Ika started the game with this useful looking questionnaire thing that everyone agrees is NAI for everyone-- but it gets people talking! Since that post it's basically been chummy with KSC and SW. I just feel like everything else in this game could've happened without using the questionnaire, which reminds me of the "appearance of utility" meta point. Do you have any opinion of Grack or Calix atm? Grack no opinion yet, as for calix I just let her do her thing as she's active and keeps delivering her view of the game. Right now I'm mostly waiting for you and Kelsier to post more as your posts are what I'm concentrating the most on at the moment. So do you actually believe you have something on ika or not? That he tried to appear useful with the questionnaire is I think not an argument you mentioned earlier. i asked you a question, i do not expect a question in return. I expect an answer. If you have a question after that then you can ask.
Grack suspected you and SW are working together in some ways, and so asked for a case for SW being town cause so far you didn't bring forth anything that suggests that it is what you think, or that you have in thread reasons for thinking that. Keep the friendship bias to a minimum if you want a good game that everyone can enjoy in equal measure, that's what I'm asking of you politely.[/QUOTE]
He called both of us town.
there is no friendship bias. if you want a reason why i town read her i can make a post about it.
whats your read on em and silverwolf right now though?
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On January 08 2017 12:55 darthfoley wrote: This also kinda wastes our D2 in terms of a lynch VCA
VCA is shit.
plz dont have me start another rant. cus i will go full blown out on why its shit and always will be shit
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great my post quote got fucked
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i need a soda and FFX again....
Something tells me this is gonna be one of those nights...
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On January 08 2017 13:16 Kmatt wrote:What makes you say that?
you town slipped that it was vet or cop
scums knwo setup
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On January 08 2017 13:11 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 13:04 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 08 2017 12:50 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 12:33 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 09:04 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 09:02 darthfoley wrote: Give me one reason not to fucking lynch btdt The only one I can think of is that he's tilting and throwing as town. But it's still a nobrainer to do it and he will get my vote no matter what. Really sad that grack, a player I've known since Game of Thrones mafia and who has clearly shown his skill this game, had to go cause of him. I would love to see where he showed his "skills" cus TBH, all he did was keep aruging with me about the town read on you and then at EOD complained how me/SW are running the show and when i then asked him to show it or asked him what hes doing to fix that he went "lets not do it again" I mean, the fact he got run up and had to claim already shows enough. Yes the voters are at fault too, but frankly, if you have a town read on someone and someone ask to elaborate or substance it, it should not be a fight over it. Its anti-town and does nothing but stall the game and makes it look like you have a fabricated read /end rant You and SW caused a lot of ruckus in the wrong places, for example on me and Grack who both happen to be townies. But you think Grack should be blamed for being frustrated at you and SW, when it's perfectly understandable as both of you also misrepresented me as defending you and asked me loaded questions and then reprimanded me for not answering them. Plus you are also full of yourself and a big hypocrite cause when I asked you a question you denied me the answer. But if you think you are so good all you have to do is look at the lynch you supported. On January 06 2017 23:07 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 22:56 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 22:28 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote: [quote]
Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted.
His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful.
Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? how come you are acting like i am town? How does that question have anything to do with your alignment? On January 06 2017 22:35 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote: [quote]
No, I don't know the guy
Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude. It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol. It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. Yea scum try to appear useful. This is why I focused on ika compared to someone like Onegu. Ika started the game with this useful looking questionnaire thing that everyone agrees is NAI for everyone-- but it gets people talking! Since that post it's basically been chummy with KSC and SW. I just feel like everything else in this game could've happened without using the questionnaire, which reminds me of the "appearance of utility" meta point. Do you have any opinion of Grack or Calix atm? Grack no opinion yet, as for calix I just let her do her thing as she's active and keeps delivering her view of the game. Right now I'm mostly waiting for you and Kelsier to post more as your posts are what I'm concentrating the most on at the moment. So do you actually believe you have something on ika or not? That he tried to appear useful with the questionnaire is I think not an argument you mentioned earlier. i asked you a question, i do not expect a question in return. I expect an answer. If you have a question after that then you can ask. Grack suspected you and SW are working together in some ways, and so asked for a case for SW being town cause so far you didn't bring forth anything that suggests that it is what you think, or that you have in thread reasons for thinking that. Keep the friendship bias to a minimum if you want a good game that everyone can enjoy in equal measure, that's what I'm asking of you politely. I think this is extremely rude, uncalled for, and frankly untrue. Town can be wrong and often are. Grack never said he thought we were working together. He called us both town and then asked a townread to explain another townread on a townread basically because he didn't want to answer ika's question and was being argumentative about it. If you are gonna accuse us of friendship bias, look in the mirror. I am not trying to make the game unenjoyable. I have never attacked anyone. I've given reads and explained scumreads in detail and been active. Sorry for being wrong on my first lynch on a new site. Whatever. And Grack spent pages in pointless arguing with ika. That's not productive or helpful. I have nothing against him and actually like his sense of humor but you acting like he's God's gift to mafia and you can't believe we scumread him or you for that matter when you both played scummy, is not my problem. Now you answer for ika? Isn't that supposed to make you scummy?
well you mentioned her and i answered for myself that you responded to so i dont get why you are even trying to take this angle
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On January 08 2017 13:10 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 13:00 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 12:50 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 12:33 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 09:04 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 09:02 darthfoley wrote: Give me one reason not to fucking lynch btdt The only one I can think of is that he's tilting and throwing as town. But it's still a nobrainer to do it and he will get my vote no matter what. Really sad that grack, a player I've known since Game of Thrones mafia and who has clearly shown his skill this game, had to go cause of him. I would love to see where he showed his "skills" cus TBH, all he did was keep aruging with me about the town read on you and then at EOD complained how me/SW are running the show and when i then asked him to show it or asked him what hes doing to fix that he went "lets not do it again" I mean, the fact he got run up and had to claim already shows enough. Yes the voters are at fault too, but frankly, if you have a town read on someone and someone ask to elaborate or substance it, it should not be a fight over it. Its anti-town and does nothing but stall the game and makes it look like you have a fabricated read /end rant You and SW caused a lot of ruckus in the wrong places, 1) for example on me and Grack who both happen to be townies. 2)But you think Grack should be blamed for being frustrated at you and SW, when it's perfectly understandable as both of you also misrepresented me as defending you and asked me loaded questions and then reprimanded me for not answering them. 3) Plus you are also full of yourself and a big hypocrite cause when I asked you a question you denied me the answer. 4)But if you think you are so good all you have to do is look at the lynch you supported. 1) how do i know you are town? i dont 2) it makes little sense FMPOV to have someone as null but question the person who is slight scum reading them. Your post give implications that you had a town read on me so no misrepresntation 3) what question? if you quote it i will gladly answer it. 4) plz read my post before you even try to take that high ground cus i said and quote I mean, the fact he got run up and had to claim already shows enough. Yes the voters are at fault too, but frankly, if you have a town read on someone and someone ask to elaborate or substance it, it should not be a fight over it. Its anti-town and does nothing but stall the game and makes it look like you have a fabricated read I accepted i was wrong already but grack is equal blame. On January 06 2017 23:07 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 22:56 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 22:28 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote: Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little?
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This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand.
Fend yourself, Foley. Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted. His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful. Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? how come you are acting like i am town? How does that question have anything to do with your alignment? On January 06 2017 22:35 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote: [quote]
But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude. It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol. It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. Yea scum try to appear useful. This is why I focused on ika compared to someone like Onegu. Ika started the game with this useful looking questionnaire thing that everyone agrees is NAI for everyone-- but it gets people talking! Since that post it's basically been chummy with KSC and SW. I just feel like everything else in this game could've happened without using the questionnaire, which reminds me of the "appearance of utility" meta point. Do you have any opinion of Grack or Calix atm? Grack no opinion yet, as for calix I just let her do her thing as she's active and keeps delivering her view of the game. Right now I'm mostly waiting for you and Kelsier to post more as your posts are what I'm concentrating the most on at the moment. So do you actually believe you have something on ika or not? That he tried to appear useful with the questionnaire is I think not an argument you mentioned earlier. i asked you a question, i do not expect a question in return. I expect an answer. If you have a question after that then you can ask. Grack suspected you and SW are working together in some ways, and so asked for a case for SW being town cause so far you didn't bring forth anything that suggests that it is what you think, or that you have in thread reasons for thinking that. Keep the friendship bias to a minimum if you want a good game that everyone can enjoy in equal measure, that's what I'm asking of you politely. He called both of us town. there is no friendship bias. if you want a reason why i town read her i can make a post about it. whats your read on em and silverwolf right now though?
1) You don't, but Grack did so that's one of the reasons that it's uncalled for you to take a crap on a dead player's skill. 2) I told you at the time that I didn't have a townread on you and it wasn't enough. You kept trying to cram into my mouth that I called you town somewhere. 3) It's quoted in the same post you are answering to. 4) Whether we are good or bad is not the answer I'm looking for in this game right now but I don't take it lightly when you question how a dead player played. It's not on him that he got lynched, it's on the people voting for him.[/QUOTE]
1) if you get lynched you (and as i have said, the voters) did something wrong simple as that. I am merely venting about how he complained when he did nothing to fix it. 2) nope thats not what i said, i said you were implying i am town based on how you acted. theres a difference there 3) i read it twice and see now question unless it was a statement in witch case point it out plz 4) its both the player and the voters fault as i have said.
furthermore its is a players fault becasue they were scummy enough to be voted and pushed though on a lynch. if you dont like it that i am merely venting then thats your problem. not mine
it goes both ways when someoen is lynched. if the player is town then one of the following happened A) they were too scummy and not town enough to avoid being scum read and invedtibly lycnhed B) they got CC and failed to make themselfs town enough to win the CC
now we can continue this stupidity of our own beliefs on how one played or we can talk about the game
i ask again, what is your read on me and do you still want me to town case silver?
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On January 08 2017 13:21 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 13:17 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 08 2017 13:11 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 13:04 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 08 2017 12:50 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 12:33 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 09:04 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 09:02 darthfoley wrote: Give me one reason not to fucking lynch btdt The only one I can think of is that he's tilting and throwing as town. But it's still a nobrainer to do it and he will get my vote no matter what. Really sad that grack, a player I've known since Game of Thrones mafia and who has clearly shown his skill this game, had to go cause of him. I would love to see where he showed his "skills" cus TBH, all he did was keep aruging with me about the town read on you and then at EOD complained how me/SW are running the show and when i then asked him to show it or asked him what hes doing to fix that he went "lets not do it again" I mean, the fact he got run up and had to claim already shows enough. Yes the voters are at fault too, but frankly, if you have a town read on someone and someone ask to elaborate or substance it, it should not be a fight over it. Its anti-town and does nothing but stall the game and makes it look like you have a fabricated read /end rant You and SW caused a lot of ruckus in the wrong places, for example on me and Grack who both happen to be townies. But you think Grack should be blamed for being frustrated at you and SW, when it's perfectly understandable as both of you also misrepresented me as defending you and asked me loaded questions and then reprimanded me for not answering them. Plus you are also full of yourself and a big hypocrite cause when I asked you a question you denied me the answer. But if you think you are so good all you have to do is look at the lynch you supported. On January 06 2017 23:07 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 22:56 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 22:28 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote: [quote]
I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol
But you have seen ikas meta yes? how come you are acting like i am town? How does that question have anything to do with your alignment? On January 06 2017 22:35 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote: [quote]
She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude.
It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol.
It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. Yea scum try to appear useful. This is why I focused on ika compared to someone like Onegu. Ika started the game with this useful looking questionnaire thing that everyone agrees is NAI for everyone-- but it gets people talking! Since that post it's basically been chummy with KSC and SW. I just feel like everything else in this game could've happened without using the questionnaire, which reminds me of the "appearance of utility" meta point. Do you have any opinion of Grack or Calix atm? Grack no opinion yet, as for calix I just let her do her thing as she's active and keeps delivering her view of the game. Right now I'm mostly waiting for you and Kelsier to post more as your posts are what I'm concentrating the most on at the moment. So do you actually believe you have something on ika or not? That he tried to appear useful with the questionnaire is I think not an argument you mentioned earlier. i asked you a question, i do not expect a question in return. I expect an answer. If you have a question after that then you can ask. Grack suspected you and SW are working together in some ways, and so asked for a case for SW being town cause so far you didn't bring forth anything that suggests that it is what you think, or that you have in thread reasons for thinking that. Keep the friendship bias to a minimum if you want a good game that everyone can enjoy in equal measure, that's what I'm asking of you politely. I think this is extremely rude, uncalled for, and frankly untrue. Town can be wrong and often are. Grack never said he thought we were working together. He called us both town and then asked a townread to explain another townread on a townread basically because he didn't want to answer ika's question and was being argumentative about it. If you are gonna accuse us of friendship bias, look in the mirror. I am not trying to make the game unenjoyable. I have never attacked anyone. I've given reads and explained scumreads in detail and been active. Sorry for being wrong on my first lynch on a new site. Whatever. And Grack spent pages in pointless arguing with ika. That's not productive or helpful. I have nothing against him and actually like his sense of humor but you acting like he's God's gift to mafia and you can't believe we scumread him or you for that matter when you both played scummy, is not my problem. Now you answer for ika? Isn't that supposed to make you scummy? I was answering for myself. You mentioned myself and ika in this post. You know what. I'm signing off for a bit. This game is very, very annoying to me right now. Look. I apologize that I might be coming across as very unfriendly. But I want both of you to understand that you also came across like that earlier, even though you might not realize it. And I am allergic to ika coming in and suddenly trying to put the blame on Grack for how he played, as I don't see at all how he would deserve that, and it's also pretty rude to talk like that about dead players as they can't talk for themselves anymore and then read these things. Which is one of the reasons I call him full of himself.
Look, if im rude its not intentional.
If i feel like someon played badly im gonna call it out and then move on. Am i being blunt on the issue? yes can he defend himsefl? no am i gonna keep this up all game long and rail on him? no im just annoyed that he was indeed doc and FMPOV and how i feel is that he played poorly. does this mean hes a bad player? no does this mean i want nothing to do with him? no do i have adivce for him come post game and later? yes if he wants to hear it
im bulnt and to the point overall. i know im not perfect and frankly i find myself being the least full person you can get to know. I do have strong beliefs on certain aspects on game theory and stuff but in general i dont say (nor have i said or am implying in any way) "OMG YOU SUCK" "DONT PLAY AGAIN" "WOW SHIT TEIR PLAYER"
i feel like how he went about the game overall and everything was not a pro-town manner. Simple as that. if you think what he did was pro-town then thats your belief. its very easy to agree to disagree about overall "is it town play or not"
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ok im signing out cus at this point im still tilted and just need something to relax.
im also tired and when i get tired my spelling becomes less and less manageble
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On January 08 2017 13:40 Vivax wrote:3) You need to open the nested quotes ika. Then it takes quite a bit of habit to learn to read that and find what you want, but the question was this: Which question? This question: 2) nope thats not what i said, i said you were implying i am town based on how you acted. theres a difference there How did I act? I asked Darthfoley out about his read on you. You think that implies a townread on you? Sorry, it doesn't. Hope that's out of the way now. My read on you anyhow is that you're probs town. I mean, you clearly care about the game. You seem interested into digging into things and so on. You also get emotional about the outcome. Overall that seems townie to me. For SW my read isn't as strong yet. The way she accused me of defending you earlier simply felt very unfair and like she was just trying to put words into my mouth. Then at some point she came back and the tone of the post sounded very different, so I found that a bit odd. It was somewhat less aggressive. Could be scum indicative as it would mean that her earlier conviction into what she accused me for was only a temporary act. To finish the post, I'm going to leave her at nullish/scummish for the time being. The post I found odd cause of the change in tonality is : + Show Spoiler +On January 07 2017 00:02 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:40 Vivax wrote: I don't have a read on ika so far and I don't need to have one to question darthfoley's read on him. No, you don't have to have a read on ika to say darthfoley's read on him is bad. I agree. The problem I have is the way you are doing it. Basically, ika no longer has to answer the suspicion because you interjected. Not only interjected but also defended ika by asking if darthfoley has his meta and implying that ika's questions are not scummy. You have a right to have an opinion on ika's questioning but the way you are doing it is very protective of ika. If you have no read of ika, this doesn't make much sense. I guess my gut just pinged hard off of that and also I think you interjected when someone was questioning someone else-I think Calix pointed this out already. Anyway, from my experience, scum like to do this because they get towncred for defending people they know are town. It's way too early to have a super strong opinion on someone's alignment, unless you know that alignment. Doesn't mean we can't have reads. We certainly can. But when I would of preferred to see ika answer the suspicion and engage with darth rather than have you interject. Sorry if I'm not explaining myself well. I'm tired and rambling right now. Be back in a little bit.
2) then explain to me why you interject yourself on the questioning cus you basicly abolished me of answering and the way you went about it has an implication that you were reading me as town.
i mean i feel like this is circular but let me rephrase: the questions you were asking really only make sense FMPOV is that you were reading me as town. the fact you were not makes me question it.
As for the SW thing, i would like to see more quotes where you think she was backing off cus from what i have seen she never has nor did.
Add in the fact shes actually signing off for the night because shes on tilt tells me shes biting back on snapping your head off witch is of itself one of her town tells.
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As for the SW thingy all you have to do is look at the posts directed at me previous to that post when it looked to me like she adopted a less accusative tone and posted rather extensively. It was actually one of the better posts of the series as it wasn't just a bunch of accusations. But either way I don't put too much weight into this read and I prefer to reserve judgement on SW for now so I'm not going to quote the posts as I don't see the use for that now.
When I actually make a case I will quote relevant posts, cause after we're done with BTDT I'd like to draw attention to this one:
Im just gonna address this primary because the rest is just going to be cirular if i continue on the ohter stuff
i want to hear the case now and the quote that say such things for sevral reasons:
1) shes my top town read so i want to sort that out for anyone who has doubts now 2) in the post you quoted there she has self admitted to being tired that could explain the tone post itself. 3) If she backed down on you at any point its because she has found a stronger scum read to peruse. Maybe she was satisfied with what she saw form you and decided to drop it and then town read you. 4) if she accused you of something and you responded to it then she must be satisfied with it. If she didn't follow up you should point it out cus the only time i have ever seen her back down (town or scum) is when shes satisfied with her results. 4a) her scum game would prob just be going at you till the cows come home. the fact she has backed down means shes satisfied with what she was poking on about and decided to scum hunt elsewhere which is a town indicator of her
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On January 08 2017 15:38 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 15:33 ika42 wrote:
As for the SW thingy all you have to do is look at the posts directed at me previous to that post when it looked to me like she adopted a less accusative tone and posted rather extensively. It was actually one of the better posts of the series as it wasn't just a bunch of accusations. But either way I don't put too much weight into this read and I prefer to reserve judgement on SW for now so I'm not going to quote the posts as I don't see the use for that now.
When I actually make a case I will quote relevant posts, cause after we're done with BTDT I'd like to draw attention to this one:
Im just gonna address this primary because the rest is just going to be cirular if i continue on the ohter stuff i want to hear the case now and the quote that say such things for sevral reasons: 1) shes my top town read so i want to sort that out for anyone who has doubts now 2) in the post you quoted there she has self admitted to being tired that could explain the tone post itself. 3) If she backed down on you at any point its because she has found a stronger scum read to peruse. Maybe she was satisfied with what she saw form you and decided to drop it and then town read you. 4) if she accused you of something and you responded to it then she must be satisfied with it. If she didn't follow up you should point it out cus the only time i have ever seen her back down (town or scum) is when shes satisfied with her results. 4a) her scum game would prob just be going at you till the cows come home. the fact she has backed down means shes satisfied with what she was poking on about and decided to scum hunt elsewhere which is a town indicator of her Or you could just write a case for her being town like you said you would if asked. Don't see why I'm the only one who's supposed to deliver here.
just did didnt i? also my previous post to you was talking about why she is town.
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On January 08 2017 19:26 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 13:40 Vivax wrote:3) You need to open the nested quotes ika. Then it takes quite a bit of habit to learn to read that and find what you want, but the question was this: How does that question have anything to do with your alignment? Which question? This question: But you have seen ikas meta yes? 2) nope thats not what i said, i said you were implying i am town based on how you acted. theres a difference there How did I act? I asked Darthfoley out about his read on you. You think that implies a townread on you? Sorry, it doesn't. Hope that's out of the way now. My read on you anyhow is that you're probs town. I mean, you clearly care about the game. You seem interested into digging into things and so on. You also get emotional about the outcome. Overall that seems townie to me. For SW my read isn't as strong yet. The way she accused me of defending you earlier simply felt very unfair and like she was just trying to put words into my mouth. Then at some point she came back and the tone of the post sounded very different, so I found that a bit odd. It was somewhat less aggressive. Could be scum indicative as it would mean that her earlier conviction into what she accused me for was only a temporary act. To finish the post, I'm going to leave her at nullish/scummish for the time being. The post I found odd cause of the change in tonality is : + Show Spoiler +On January 07 2017 00:02 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:40 Vivax wrote: I don't have a read on ika so far and I don't need to have one to question darthfoley's read on him. No, you don't have to have a read on ika to say darthfoley's read on him is bad. I agree. The problem I have is the way you are doing it. Basically, ika no longer has to answer the suspicion because you interjected. Not only interjected but also defended ika by asking if darthfoley has his meta and implying that ika's questions are not scummy. You have a right to have an opinion on ika's questioning but the way you are doing it is very protective of ika. If you have no read of ika, this doesn't make much sense. I guess my gut just pinged hard off of that and also I think you interjected when someone was questioning someone else-I think Calix pointed this out already. Anyway, from my experience, scum like to do this because they get towncred for defending people they know are town. It's way too early to have a super strong opinion on someone's alignment, unless you know that alignment. Doesn't mean we can't have reads. We certainly can. But when I would of preferred to see ika answer the suspicion and engage with darth rather than have you interject. Sorry if I'm not explaining myself well. I'm tired and rambling right now. Be back in a little bit. I think your reasons for town-reading ika are bad and you should reread him if your main reason is him being emotional and invested because that's more personality-indicative for him from what I've seen recently. (applies to SW to an extent as well)As far as your SW tone read goes, I would like to know which posts you are comparing with the one you flagged up. Not convinced that it's scum-indicative as it stands due to that last line.
I question where you get the bolded for both me and SW. The last game you have played with us we were both scum and we both lacked emotions and investments in the thread
So is there a game your refrencing here or where this that come form?
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On January 09 2017 04:12 beentheredonethat wrote:Tell me why I would counter claim the Doctor as mafia when I can safely kill him during the night phase.
becasue you can get him lynched?
i was aboutt o go apeshit on the fact you were claiming cop next
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On January 09 2017 03:30 beentheredonethat wrote: Well guys. It's very simple. I didn't buy the claim of Doctor so I chose to counterclaim. If it was a fakeclaim => great, scum down! If not - Doc down. Awkward but that was supposed to happen N1 anyways.
So you can go all nuts like "noooes, btdt you scummer" and lynch into the Cop that I am - OR you can chill the fuck out and play this game calmly.
and basically here you self make it true the only difference is now we don't have docs input throughout the night phase and if your town, you basically wasted 2 days of our time out of sefl preservation
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On January 09 2017 03:20 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 02:35 Calix wrote:On January 09 2017 02:23 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:I have something to add about B0ston. I don't know if this has been missed. On January 08 2017 07:12 B0stonSC wrote: Well that seems rather sorted. is Instalynch a thing on this site? If you are town why would you want an instalynch when there's a CC ? I think that holds for a lot of other people too. And Grack was one of the most vocal people here. On January 08 2017 21:00 Calix wrote: Although ME's large post was good tone-wise, his actions are questionable especially with his vote and wanting to "hold it until EOD" (before voting for Grack) which makes no sense for town to do (it literally makes you harder to read - a non-town trait). There is no reason to do that just for a vote at the end of a large wagon on a counterclaimed person and the fact that he leaves it until the very end of the day means that he doesn't have to explain why he preferred Grack > BTDT or give us much information re: votes/ people he wants dead.
I wanted to hold it until EOD because i was reading through the posts, and to me Grack didn't look scum. I couldn't come up with anything conclusive about anyone else. And since you can't abstain here, I just voted. As such my one vote wasn't going to make any difference except give away information at that point. Wait wtf. Why are you concerned about "giving away information" with your votes if you're town?! That's mafia rationale. I don't agree with your assessment. I would've readily abstained if I was given the choice. You focus on the part that suits your argument the most.
as much as i am weary of calix, i agree. what is the town benifit of not voting?
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On January 09 2017 02:41 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 01:54 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 19:26 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 13:40 Vivax wrote:3) You need to open the nested quotes ika. Then it takes quite a bit of habit to learn to read that and find what you want, but the question was this: How does that question have anything to do with your alignment? Which question? This question: But you have seen ikas meta yes? 2) nope thats not what i said, i said you were implying i am town based on how you acted. theres a difference there How did I act? I asked Darthfoley out about his read on you. You think that implies a townread on you? Sorry, it doesn't. Hope that's out of the way now. My read on you anyhow is that you're probs town. I mean, you clearly care about the game. You seem interested into digging into things and so on. You also get emotional about the outcome. Overall that seems townie to me. For SW my read isn't as strong yet. The way she accused me of defending you earlier simply felt very unfair and like she was just trying to put words into my mouth. Then at some point she came back and the tone of the post sounded very different, so I found that a bit odd. It was somewhat less aggressive. Could be scum indicative as it would mean that her earlier conviction into what she accused me for was only a temporary act. To finish the post, I'm going to leave her at nullish/scummish for the time being. The post I found odd cause of the change in tonality is : + Show Spoiler +On January 07 2017 00:02 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:40 Vivax wrote: I don't have a read on ika so far and I don't need to have one to question darthfoley's read on him. No, you don't have to have a read on ika to say darthfoley's read on him is bad. I agree. The problem I have is the way you are doing it. Basically, ika no longer has to answer the suspicion because you interjected. Not only interjected but also defended ika by asking if darthfoley has his meta and implying that ika's questions are not scummy. You have a right to have an opinion on ika's questioning but the way you are doing it is very protective of ika. If you have no read of ika, this doesn't make much sense. I guess my gut just pinged hard off of that and also I think you interjected when someone was questioning someone else-I think Calix pointed this out already. Anyway, from my experience, scum like to do this because they get towncred for defending people they know are town. It's way too early to have a super strong opinion on someone's alignment, unless you know that alignment. Doesn't mean we can't have reads. We certainly can. But when I would of preferred to see ika answer the suspicion and engage with darth rather than have you interject. Sorry if I'm not explaining myself well. I'm tired and rambling right now. Be back in a little bit. I think your reasons for town-reading ika are bad and you should reread him if your main reason is him being emotional and invested because that's more personality-indicative for him from what I've seen recently. (applies to SW to an extent as well)As far as your SW tone read goes, I would like to know which posts you are comparing with the one you flagged up. Not convinced that it's scum-indicative as it stands due to that last line. I question where you get the bolded for both me and SW. The last game you have played with us we were both scum and we both lacked emotions and investments in the thread So is there a game your refrencing here or where this that come form? What I mean there is you raging at SP last game as mafia. I also recall you two were quite aggressive with your posts in Fringe in one of the universes or something (but I only skim-read that game so correct me if I'm wrong). (also I disagree that SW was scum since she was uninformed neut in that game and didn't have info on who mafia were. afaik I have yet to see a mafia!SW so that's why I said it's less applicable to her)
fring we were more passive. i recall defending sino a bunch.
As for his read on me it looks like its less about my emotions and more about my investment. While i can get legit mad at some stuff as scum its in rare cases of "here is a misrepresentation of my RL situation/case on me"
none wich has happened so i find the angle he is taking to be a little more vaild if hes talking about the flip part cus if i was scum i would not care.
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On January 09 2017 04:20 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 02:41 Calix wrote:On January 09 2017 01:54 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 19:26 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 13:40 Vivax wrote:3) You need to open the nested quotes ika. Then it takes quite a bit of habit to learn to read that and find what you want, but the question was this: How does that question have anything to do with your alignment? Which question? This question: But you have seen ikas meta yes? 2) nope thats not what i said, i said you were implying i am town based on how you acted. theres a difference there How did I act? I asked Darthfoley out about his read on you. You think that implies a townread on you? Sorry, it doesn't. Hope that's out of the way now. My read on you anyhow is that you're probs town. I mean, you clearly care about the game. You seem interested into digging into things and so on. You also get emotional about the outcome. Overall that seems townie to me. For SW my read isn't as strong yet. The way she accused me of defending you earlier simply felt very unfair and like she was just trying to put words into my mouth. Then at some point she came back and the tone of the post sounded very different, so I found that a bit odd. It was somewhat less aggressive. Could be scum indicative as it would mean that her earlier conviction into what she accused me for was only a temporary act. To finish the post, I'm going to leave her at nullish/scummish for the time being. The post I found odd cause of the change in tonality is : + Show Spoiler +On January 07 2017 00:02 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:40 Vivax wrote: I don't have a read on ika so far and I don't need to have one to question darthfoley's read on him. No, you don't have to have a read on ika to say darthfoley's read on him is bad. I agree. The problem I have is the way you are doing it. Basically, ika no longer has to answer the suspicion because you interjected. Not only interjected but also defended ika by asking if darthfoley has his meta and implying that ika's questions are not scummy. You have a right to have an opinion on ika's questioning but the way you are doing it is very protective of ika. If you have no read of ika, this doesn't make much sense. I guess my gut just pinged hard off of that and also I think you interjected when someone was questioning someone else-I think Calix pointed this out already. Anyway, from my experience, scum like to do this because they get towncred for defending people they know are town. It's way too early to have a super strong opinion on someone's alignment, unless you know that alignment. Doesn't mean we can't have reads. We certainly can. But when I would of preferred to see ika answer the suspicion and engage with darth rather than have you interject. Sorry if I'm not explaining myself well. I'm tired and rambling right now. Be back in a little bit. I think your reasons for town-reading ika are bad and you should reread him if your main reason is him being emotional and invested because that's more personality-indicative for him from what I've seen recently. (applies to SW to an extent as well)As far as your SW tone read goes, I would like to know which posts you are comparing with the one you flagged up. Not convinced that it's scum-indicative as it stands due to that last line. I question where you get the bolded for both me and SW. The last game you have played with us we were both scum and we both lacked emotions and investments in the thread So is there a game your refrencing here or where this that come form? What I mean there is you raging at SP last game as mafia. I also recall you two were quite aggressive with your posts in Fringe in one of the universes or something (but I only skim-read that game so correct me if I'm wrong). (also I disagree that SW was scum since she was uninformed neut in that game and didn't have info on who mafia were. afaik I have yet to see a mafia!SW so that's why I said it's less applicable to her) fringe we were more passive. i recall defending sino a bunch. As for his read on me it looks like its less about my emotions and more about my investment. While i can get legit mad at some stuff as scum its in rare cases of "here is a misrepresentation of my RL situation/case on me" none witch has happened so i find the angle he is taking to be a little more valid if hes talking about the flip part cus if i was scum i would not care.
sigh im still tired....
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On January 09 2017 04:49 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 04:21 SilverWolf77 wrote: btdt is scum flailing
If he's town he needs a game ban after this for griefing and borderline game throwing.
I have asked ME for reads twice now and he's ignored me. I say we lynch him after btdt. B0ston after that.
If these 3 are the scumteam, I wouldn't be surprised.
Why have you been pressuring me for a read ? I don't understand it. I'll give you my read, when I have one. Instead go read the thread and look at people who claimed they had a read and haven't given one. You are actually behaving exactly like squishy when it comes to asking people for reads.
or you can explain why the fuck you have no reads after the day 1 shit.
everyone else has given them in one form or another so dont dodge the question at hand
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On January 09 2017 04:58 Kmatt wrote: So if we're all in agreement that BTDT is long overdue for being mounted on a fence post, who do you think among potential scum is up for the following vote? B0ston and ME are the obvious choices but like Calix said I can't help but think at least one of the mafia is actively mucking the thread up. Granted this guy has his work cut out for him at the moment.
I want ME dead. At best hes scum. at worst hes a town who needs to learn to play forum mafia.
I am being blunt on this issue too: if you cant get reads or dont like being pressure or stuff like that, then dont be here. This is a game of convincing and pressuring and talking. If you cant handle some heat, then you dont need to be in the kitchen.
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On January 09 2017 05:08 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 04:15 ika42 wrote:On January 09 2017 04:12 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 09 2017 04:04 darthfoley wrote: (I don't believe you) Tell me why I would counter claim the Doctor as mafia when I can safely kill him during the night phase. becasue you can get him lynched? i was aboutt o go apeshit on the fact you were claiming cop next That only makes sense if I am the counterwagon (which I wasn't) OR one of my scum team members is the counter wagon (which would mean that the other lynchees are also scum). Because why would I sacrifice myself for the Doctor in this scenario? Doesn't make sense. It was a bold move from town!btdt and you can either believe it and go on with it or throw away the D2 lynch. Grackdoc would've been dead anyways, latest N1. This is boring.
WIFOM argument
WIFOM arugment
you avoided the big point of we would have doc speaking and a cop would knwo that a doc is possible.
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On January 09 2017 05:09 beentheredonethat wrote: Once I flipped Cop, you guys should really look into the people who
a) said my counter claim would be town (because that's subtle TMI, looking at you here, Vivax) and b) people who want to see me dead at all cost (see darthfoley)
I think darthfoley and Vivax are scum together and I will get my post-game credits for that along with the "what a bad move to make as town" stuff I'm gonna get for sure :D
you would get no cred if they are scum because of what you pulled
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On January 09 2017 05:13 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 05:09 beentheredonethat wrote: Once I flipped Cop, you guys should really look into the people who
a) said my counter claim would be town (because that's subtle TMI, looking at you here, Vivax) and b) people who want to see me dead at all cost (see darthfoley)
I think darthfoley and Vivax are scum together and I will get my post-game credits for that along with the "what a bad move to make as town" stuff I'm gonna get for sure :D you would get no cred if they are scum because of what you pulled
the fact is that even if they are scum, you get no cred based on the fact you had to play a borderline greifing/gamethrowing move to just prove your point.
If one must basically play such shit to be right/get their reads, they are doing something wrong.
Im going to watch AGDQ cus this is jsut gonna piss me off further
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On January 09 2017 09:00 SilverWolf77 wrote: How long does a person have to be absent from the thread before they are replaced? It bothers me that Kelsier was so active and then just disappeared but it could be real life.
The rule ask for one post every 24 hrs. Otherwise it can lead to warnings or replacements.
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On January 09 2017 09:35 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:How do you know that ?
Have you been reading the game?
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On January 09 2017 09:35 reps)squishy wrote:Can you elaborate please.
Did you read the start of the night? where i was talking to vix about it?
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On January 09 2017 09:40 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 09:38 ika42 wrote:On January 09 2017 09:35 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:On January 09 2017 09:30 ika42 wrote: Cool silver is town How do you know that ? Have you been reading the game? That is irrelevant, I ask how do you know SW is town, you just claimed it. Don't put it back on me, I say we lynch ika this night. Then you can lynch me the next night. Fuck this guy.
And I am asking if you have been reading because the town read of her has been explained before.
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On January 09 2017 09:36 Kmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 09:31 reps)squishy wrote:On January 09 2017 09:26 darthfoley wrote:On January 09 2017 09:22 reps)squishy wrote:On January 09 2017 09:19 beentheredonethat wrote: I got roleblocked. But noone is going to believe that anyways^^ so good night I am now leaning btdt as town. @Onegu: do you still stand by this statement? On January 08 2017 14:07 Onegu wrote: Just FYI 100% we lynch btdt tomorrow. Even though I give btdt a 30% chance of being scum. He has to be lynched. It is a terrible play as scum as scum could just shoot him. The only way it becomes a ok play is if they think the lynch would go from grack to a actual scum player. Even then its not great as btdt wasnt being looked at. I think it comes from town more often than not who thinks he will save the actual doctor from having to CC and then lynch scum and eat a bullet. Wanting to make the hero play. But this play needs to be punished. Plus a 30% chance to hit scum is fine. you're gonna have to explain that one to me. Why? I cannot see him making that up if he were scum... He's full of shit. I'm the vig and I blew my load on Vivax. Thought I was being clever but apparently all his shpeal about not surviving the night was true for more than one reason.
How come you didnt shoot beentjeredonethat?
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On January 10 2017 04:18 Calix wrote:Still around? I'm free for a bit if you want to talk.
Somewhat. Ive been poping in and out and dealing with some stuff
What do you think of ME doubling down on wanting to lynch me next.
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if BTDT was flipped, who would you lynch next
lets do both town and scum flips just for argument sake
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whats your read on each other right now? do you guys have any impending questions for me?
im gonan pass out soon cus i got overnights till thurs so i will need more sleep
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On January 10 2017 04:54 darthfoley wrote:Yea actually I do have a question for you Ika. Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 06:09 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 06:06 Grackaroni wrote: There's no one left here.
I am the Doctor
This claim is very easily counter claimable and well worth it if I am scum. If there is no counter claim then for all intents and purposes I should be confirmed.
Swika town reads all of the people that agree with them and scum reads those that do not. At the rate we are going we will mow through the town. Not really? Honestly i dont see many people agreeing with us. I see more of it being "well we do our own reason but have same conclusions" If you want to pull quotes to disprove this go ahead This post feels awkward. Like Grack, your scum read at the time, claimed doc and you quote the specific post and don't even address the doc part. You address his swika TR/SR associative thing. Like there's no reaction... it just seems very different from other people in the thread at the time why?
doctor was self resolving. if there was no CC i would take it at face vaule that he is doc. There is nothing more on the matter that needs to be adreed FMPOV.
Was i annoyed that we ran up our potential doc (at the time)? yes am i mad that he didnt play well enough to prevent his lynch and was forced to claim? yes am i annoyed at me and the town voters for voting him? yes
the thing though, is that i dont care for stuff that is resloved by itself. if it was a closed setup where we didnt know any potential setups then i would maybe think hes lying.
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On January 10 2017 04:56 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 06:15 ika42 wrote: rep is partner trying to save grak.
calling it now Also wondering what you make of squishy atm, now that Grack flipped town
still scum lean on him. i re isoed the beggining and something pinged me. its his post about "how do you know hes town" (somewhere i can quote later) and kinda casting shade on KCS but not really pushing it.
also a lot of his post are more theory related then game related
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On January 10 2017 05:17 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2017 05:13 beentheredonethat wrote: You guys wasted D2. Congratulations. Not like I specifically asked you not to do that. #dropsMic #VTout
I'd take you more seriously if you contributed and didn't make inflammatory posts like this every other breath. You yourself consider that to be a scum tell.
i was about to say he could be giving read or something
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On January 11 2017 04:20 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:My read on ikea : Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote: are you town? how long have you played mafia? do you play elsewhere and if so where? What is your typical play style? how do you scumhunt/townhunt? do you know anyone here that you can read very well?
to answer my own: yes about 4-5 years now on and off now my typical style is to kinda talk to people and interact with others to try to get reads. most times it helps to have someone i know so i can quickly bounce with someone if they are town or lynch them if they are scum (hi silver) kinda said as above, but to summarize it i hunt though interactions most of the time yes, i can read silverwolf very well though watching and having interactions. Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:26 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:25 SilverWolf77 wrote: Hi all!!!! Hi silverwolf! could you answer my questions? Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:32 ika42 wrote: should of quoted you too in it but you can read above
and ppl plz answer the questions i have aksed too Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:35 ika42 wrote:
why do you not want to answer them? its a great way to talk to people Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 22:48 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 22:42 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 22:40 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 22:35 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote: [quote]
But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude. It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol. It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. Yea scum try to appear useful. This is why I focused on ika compared to someone like Onegu. Ika started the game with this useful looking questionnaire thing that everyone agrees is NAI for everyone-- but it gets people talking! Since that post it's basically been chummy with KSC and SW. I just feel like everything else in this game could've happened without using the questionnaire, which reminds me of the "appearance of utility" meta point. Do you have any opinion of Grack or Calix atm? is that last part directed at me or vivak? cus you reference me in here but im not sure if its a direct at me due to me being here. Nah that's towards Vivax. I posted that at the same time as you did your flurry of recent posts. Speaking of which, what do you make of Vivax so far? null scum the post he made here: On January 06 2017 13:38 Vivax wrote:I like these questions. Just the first is pointless, insert generic yes. Don't think anything related to them deserves to be alignment indicative, but it's a nice way of getting to know new faces, On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote: are you town? zzz.
how long have you played mafia? 6-7 years, I think?
do you play elsewhere and if so where? Town of Salem when I want a quick casual game where I can execute people in jail.
What is your typical play style? Agreeable and low activity as scum and abrasive, sometimes spammy as town.
how do you scumhunt/townhunt? That doesn't fit in a questionnaire. do you know anyone here that you can read very well? Nah no one in the dead sure category.
is what sticks out to me right now. He goes "oh NAI stuff, let me claim its NAI and answer it" but the bigger thing is what is bolded. The way hes putting it out there (oh jsut punch in yes) feels like a guilty conscious of "well i'm scum who needs to put in generic sounding yes" cus i could of said to mine (or anyone for that matter) "why yes i am town", "lol, ya im town", hell someone could even say "nah im miller" or "im scum you got me" like i've asked that dozens of times and gotten anything from someone claiming to be a citizen (VT) to a jester who needs to be lynched by specific people. do i make sense? I kinda streamlined it 1) Now this is my summary of all this, if you think the survey is important. why didn't you go on Calix to answer it. Here in the very last post you make a big deal about Vivax's analysis, but you never asked Calix to fill it out. Infact you let her get away by just saying ' yeah I copy your style ikea, bla bla bla'. After this post he gets into an argument with Vivax about all the merits, but he doesn't ask Calix to fill it out. Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 10:54 ika42 wrote: also in about an hr ill be gone, i am doing remodel at work This is actually a common thread across all his posts, I don't know why you want to mention this shit in so many of your posts. Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:26 ika42 wrote: FYI, i have been working overnights at work for remodle. Im tired and gonna pass out for a few hrs.
I am off today and sat though so sat will prob be when im most around.
Night everyone (even though its 8:26 in the morn) 2) here again... Now I want to focus on these set of posts after we lynched Grack and Kmatt claims we have active PR in cop/vet Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 12:26 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 09:42 Kmatt wrote: Yeah we have an active PR in either a cop or vet, if you have something to say might as well get it out there. its cop or vig.... Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 13:20 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 13:16 Kmatt wrote:On January 08 2017 13:02 ika42 wrote: also kmatt is now town What makes you say that? you town slipped that it was vet or cop scums knwo setup Show nested quote + A) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Doctor, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon B) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon C) 1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Doctor, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon D) 1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
3) What ? Just because someone says vet/cop doesn't make them town. The day had already passed, he knew that Grack was Doc. This could as well be a try at misinformation. They could be doing it on purpose. Its flawed logic. You just want to go around claiming everyone is town based on the flimsiest of evidence or giving nothing to back it up. You are my top scum read right now. Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 13:00 ika42 wrote: He called both of us town.
there is no friendship bias. if you want a reason why i town read her i can make a post about it.
whats your read on em and silverwolf right now though? 4) Then why didn't you ? What were you waiting for ? Why did you make it so much later in the game ? Or did you even make it. Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 15:33 ika42 wrote:
As for the SW thingy all you have to do is look at the posts directed at me previous to that post when it looked to me like she adopted a less accusative tone and posted rather extensively. It was actually one of the better posts of the series as it wasn't just a bunch of accusations. But either way I don't put too much weight into this read and I prefer to reserve judgement on SW for now so I'm not going to quote the posts as I don't see the use for that now.
When I actually make a case I will quote relevant posts, cause after we're done with BTDT I'd like to draw attention to this one:
Im just gonna address this primary because the rest is just going to be cirular if i continue on the ohter stuff i want to hear the case now and the quote that say such things for sevral reasons: 1) shes my top town read so i want to sort that out for anyone who has doubts now I do2) in the post you quoted there she has self admitted to being tired that could explain the tone post itself. again this 'tired' argument and you use that to explain your read . lul. 3) If she backed down on you at any point its because she has found a stronger scum read to peruse. Maybe she was satisfied with what she saw form you and decided to drop it and then town read you. Or maybe because she's as scummy as ika is and doesn't want to look like she's pressuring someone too hard 4) if she accused you of something and you responded to it then she must be satisfied with it. If she didn't follow up you should point it out cus the only time i have ever seen her back down (town or scum) is when shes satisfied with her results. 4a) her scum game would prob just be going at you till the cows come home. the fact she has backed down means shes satisfied with what she was poking on about and decided to scum hunt elsewhere which is a town indicator of her not really, that's not sound logic, it could be the other way around too 5) This is extremely poor defense of his SW read. Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 01:54 ika42 wrote:
I question where you get the bolded for both me and SW. The last game you have played with us we were both scum and we both lacked emotions and investments in the thread
So is there a game your refrencing here or where this that come form? 6) So maybe you changed your playstyle because you probably got figured out last game. Show nested quote +On January 10 2017 04:26 ika42 wrote:On January 10 2017 04:18 Calix wrote:On January 10 2017 03:55 ika42 wrote: wow this game died.... Still around? I'm free for a bit if you want to talk. Somewhat. Ive been poping in and out and dealing with some stuffWhat do you think of ME doubling down on wanting to lynch me next. 7) This shit again. Now lets look at his read on reps Show nested quote +On January 10 2017 05:11 ika42 wrote:On January 10 2017 04:56 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 06:15 ika42 wrote: rep is partner trying to save grak.
calling it now Also wondering what you make of squishy atm, now that Grack flipped town still scum lean on him. i re isoed the beggining and something pinged me. its his post about "how do you know hes town" (somewhere i can quote later) and kinda casting shade on KCS but not really pushing it. also a lot of his post are more theory related then game related Show nested quote +On January 10 2017 05:19 ika42 wrote:On January 10 2017 05:17 Calix wrote:On January 10 2017 05:13 beentheredonethat wrote: You guys wasted D2. Congratulations. Not like I specifically asked you not to do that. #dropsMic #VTout
I'd take you more seriously if you contributed and didn't make inflammatory posts like this every other breath. You yourself consider that to be a scum tell. i was about to say he could be giving read or something 8) I still think reps is scummy. I don't know what he said would make you change your evaluation of reps from scummy to town so soon. As I said at the beginning of D2, I am in favor of bumping off ikea. There might have been stuff that I've missed but for me ikea is scummy
ok i numbered each one so let me answer you proper on this shit ass case.
1) i didn't double down on claix because not only have i played with her before but i know if i argue with her its just going to have a piss fight. The big question i was going for was how long or how much people played. When people put questionable stuff i will poke at it. If they just go "well i'm not gonna answer it because i just don't want to" i might let it dependent on the player.
2) i bring this up because i am very tired when i get home and normally pass out for a good 10 or so hrs. I just got up where my last post was when i got home so you can see a long gap of me not being around. I like to let people know when i am around and not so they dont accuse me of lurking/afk. Not only that but it allows people to kinda put stuff out there for me to read if theres something needed when i come back
3) its called a townslip. when its open info on what could or could not exist. Town is more likely to be misinformed about it. For scum to do such thing they have to actively say the words or actively "think" the wrong info they have.
4) i had no reason to make it sooner or at all. Nobody really pushed me (outside of grack) to explain it and she was widly town read to begin with
5) this does not refute the town case at all and instead buzzwords it. if you think its bad you need to disprove the points
6) lol, you make it sound so easy to just go "change", its not. When me and silver are not in games (or are in hydra) we are constantly talking about our metas. So even if my meta did change, she would be aware of it.
7) please read point 2
8) his post style changed and sounded much more town like. A lot of his posting before sounded like he was reading form a script to the point it was robotic. After i called him out and he said "oh well i can post differently" and made those posts it looks a lot more town
if you think hes so scummy what about him is scummy?
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On January 11 2017 05:54 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 05:23 SilverWolf77 wrote: That case on ika is incredibly bad ME. I'll let him address it though but that's my opinion on it. It looks really fabricated and scummy.
bdtd-I'm here and if you think I'm avoiding the thread or trying not to do anything, then you are misrepping me badly. I have no problem addressing all your points in detail and anything else anyone wants to talk about.
First, I don't believe your roleblock claim because you lied about being the doc getting the real doc lynched, then claimed cop, then claimed VT, then claimed cop, then VT and now you say you are roleblocked. I don't believe a word you say. I think you should be lynched. Period. You've been lying all game. You have been flailing ever since. So no, I'm not going to reconsider wanting to lynch you.
There is nothing wrong with my Onegu filter. I had no read on him. That's how I got one. null town just means he is leaning town but has a lot of null posts so it isn't a strong townread. I went from null to town on him and I showed how I got there. I did the same on Squishy-I had no read and kept going back and forth-so now I have one. Town should always be reanalyzing their reads and make sure they are correct. If you don't know what null town means, you need to ask me instead of making false assumptions about it. You must be o.k. with my Reps filter since you said nothing about it.
I'm not the least afraid of pressuring Onegu or doing something this day phase. That is just serious misrep and it's scummy as hell. I have been here and am willing to answer any question directed at me including discussion of my reads and posts on filters, etc. You are basically calling one of the most active players afraid to do something. Yeah, no.
You saying it's incredibly scummy that I'm not feeling well and tired is BS. I have been sick for two days and have been going to the hospital everyday for radiation therapy. DO NOT EVER go after me for real life again.
You saying my townread on ika is scummy is complete crap since you also have a townread on him. I'm not praising ika at all-again complete and total misrep. I'm explaining why I think he's town because I have extensive experience with him. As far as paranoia goes or being too sure he's town, he's my strongest townread based on nearly 100 posts he's put into this game and my experience with him. If I had said right away, I think he's town, you'd have a point but I didn't.
That last part is me telling you to give reads if your town and the fact that you didn't was me thinking you are scum. Also, you went after me for RL again. I was at the dr. office so I couldn't post more than that. If that's the only thing I posted all day, I could let it go BUT I've been doing more than that. You are just ignoring it to fit your narrative that I'm trying to look active. Considering how many posts I've put into this game, that's just completely wrong.
I believe you are selectively pointing out posts I made this day phase and shifting them to fit your narrative that they are scummy when they are clearly town oriented and that's scummy as shit. Get lynched.
Why you feel the need to go through his post point by point and refute it all when 1) You think he's mafia 2) He's 1000% getting lynched today This just feels a little too defensive for my liking. Can you focus on someone besides btdt? Like what do you make of Calix/ME/B0ston etc... anyone that isn't BTDT. If you're town literally the last thing we need is to continue to tilt.
im still kinda reading up but if anything i read her town off that becasue she is defensive by nature. scum or not you should refute the case unless they are 100% mafia confirmed.
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for anyone wondering, i do actualy read silverwolf more town for her defending herself. even if hes outed scum it would be a nice distancing tacic to try to case your scum mate cus yes its easy to go "well your scum so ignore" and thats even easier for scum to do.
the act she went out of her way to do it (as weak as it is) shows that she is invested. scum!her would jsut ignore it/.
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yes im still tired so i did just kinda post the same thign twice, i just fleshed it out more.
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On January 11 2017 08:07 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 07:53 ika42 wrote: for anyone wondering, i do actualy read silverwolf more town for her defending herself. even if hes outed scum it would be a nice distancing tacic to try to case your scum mate cus yes its easy to go "well your scum so ignore" and thats even easier for scum to do.
the act she went out of her way to do it (as weak as it is) shows that she is invested. scum!her would jsut ignore it/. Can you clarify if you though my defense was weak as well or you are talking about btdt's case? I can't tell what you are referencing by this wording.
the case.
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On January 11 2017 08:29 cakepie wrote:Vote Count beentheredonethat (7) : Kmatt, ika42, SilverWolf77, darthfoley, Calix, Onegu, reps)squishy SilverWolf77 (2) : beentheredonethat, MichaelEhrmantraut Not voting (2) : B0stonSC, KelsierSC Currently, beentheredonethat is set to be lynched! The day phase will end at Wednesday, Jan 11 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), about 30 mins from this post. remain as you are reading this. Remember, voting is mandatory! Place your votes in the voting thread. If you see any vote out of place, let us know!
lol.
ME: i want ika dead and i scum read squish
votes silverwolf instead
10/10 logic
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oh hey look, bo came in and voted. wonder if he will show up over here
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On January 11 2017 08:44 SilverWolf77 wrote: ika, if you are here, what do you think of ME?
i think its a waste of breath and time. i did point out how hes inconsitent about his reason thoguh
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On January 11 2017 08:54 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 08:45 ika42 wrote:On January 11 2017 08:44 SilverWolf77 wrote: ika, if you are here, what do you think of ME? i think its a waste of breath and time. i did point out how hes inconsitent about his reason thoguh It's a waste of breath and time to tell me what you think of ME?
no.
im tired and doing sevral things at once so i misread
i have him more null now tbh, he acts like hes geninuly annoyed and mad but the problem is i dont know why.
however i have him more scum lean then null overall
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On January 11 2017 08:56 B0stonSC wrote: And one thought I've had about SW and ika is that what if they are both scum, and pushing townie lynches. Then I realize that if this is the case, then we are super screwed.
you jsut copied what claix said.
not only that, we have been begging for a game ot eb scum together (in non-hydra format).
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im jsut gonna leave this game for about the enitre night phase....
i have a wall to punch
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On January 11 2017 09:28 B0stonSC wrote: I'm with SW on this one. Maybe ME should be the next on our list? He sure is high on mine.
why? werent you hesitant to joinn her earlier?
where are your own rreasons?
frankly i would rather lynch you/calix next
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On January 11 2017 09:36 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 09:28 B0stonSC wrote: I'm with SW on this one. Maybe ME should be the next on our list? He sure is high on mine. Oh, you come in and now you go on me with SW ? You just said that SW and ika are playing us, like if that's your first thought, then probably you should hold this one. Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 09:22 Calix wrote:On January 11 2017 09:17 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote: What ninja vote ? I didn't want to vote Grack and I voted Grack, I am not repeating my mistake. I vote for somebody who's high on my scum list. I am not going to give all of my scum reads. When I give one, people interact and give me more information. And the ninja-vote thing was brought up by Onegu who said people will look at it as a ninja vote and then go on you, and here we have someone do exactly that. "People" will call a spade a spade? Shocking. Uh, you voted for someone off the BTDT wagon without explaining why you scum-read that person at all which contradicts your "not giving away scum-reads" idea (even though there's no actual purpose to hiding reads in a normal save). Explain pls. It doesn't, I said I am not giving all my scum reads at the same time, so I post a few of my scum reads then I see how SW is reacting in the thread, not just to my reads, so can't I change my read of her. Is that a crime now ? Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 09:23 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 11 2017 09:17 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote: What ninja vote ? I didn't want to vote Grack and I voted Grack, I am not repeating my mistake. I vote for somebody who's high on my scum list. I am not going to give all of my scum reads. When I give one, people interact and give me more information. And the ninja-vote thing was brought up by Onegu who said people will look at it as a ninja vote and then go on you, and here we have someone do exactly that. You went on and on about ika and Reps and never mentioned me. I come out with a case on you and bam you vote me in the voting thread without saying anything about it here. If you aren't scum then I don't know what to think of this damn game anymore. You hadn't come out with a case on me until then, just quote it here if you had. All you are saying is ' cannot make a watertight scum read' , 'arguments are weak against ika and reps'. I don't see any case against me. Oh, yeah please lynch me.
real question, are you reading? she has been going on for a while.
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On January 11 2017 09:44 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 09:32 ika42 wrote:On January 11 2017 09:28 B0stonSC wrote: I'm with SW on this one. Maybe ME should be the next on our list? He sure is high on mine. why? werent you hesitant to joinn her earlier? where are your own rreasons? frankly i would rather lynch you/calix next OK, explain scumread of B0ston and Calix. Explain why you wouldn't lynch ME right now.
B0 came in at EOD witha drive by vote. calls you/me scum team eb scary and then 180s it to "ok lets join them on lynching ME"
calix has been overly passive to the point shes like subdued in here. I know multiple times she has said "RL" but i find her not actually pushing the game like she did in empire to be very concerning. not only that i feel like when it came to discussion about he NK she made a big stink about how its wifom. yes its wifom but i feel like she went over the top for it.
and for peoples refrence, last game she was a doctor and aggressive as shit.
i will lynch ME still
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On January 11 2017 09:47 B0stonSC wrote: I'm hesitent of her due to the fact that you two could easily run the game together. But I agree on lynching ME, for several reasons. He seems super defensive, tried to skate by without any serious interaction for a long while, and he hasn't been (in my opinion) pushed the game forward at all...
this can also apply to you.....
so hypocritical much? if you disagree let me knwo why
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On January 11 2017 10:01 B0stonSC wrote: Well, I do try and push the game forward. But I do see your point, and it is hypocritical of me. However, I know I am town. I don't know he is..
fair enough. could you quote where you have been trying to push the town foward
On January 11 2017 10:08 SilverWolf77 wrote: What do people say to Calix, darthfoley, Onegu scumteam?
honsetly, it would not surprise me and i could very much see this
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i mena it would algin with the vivax kill overall.
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hmmm. honsetly this makes a lot more sense and i think that is our best bet going foward
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On January 11 2017 10:15 B0stonSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 10:08 SilverWolf77 wrote: What do people say to Calix, darthfoley, Onegu scumteam?
I woul disagree with Calix, and replace him with ME, (and I'll post why later. Need to get my arguement together for this one) but Onegu and darthfoley I would agree with. Also ika I'll the points where I thought I was trying to push the game forward (though you'll probably disagree with me) after I finish getting my arguement for Calix being town together.
fair enough, i will disagree witht eh calix one too and i will see what your case is
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On January 11 2017 10:29 B0stonSC wrote: Now, while I am filter diving, what were everyone's thoughts on KSC? Was he scummy enough in your books to deserve a lynch?
kCS got replaced so im waiting on the replacemnt
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On January 11 2017 10:35 Kmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 10:29 B0stonSC wrote: Now, while I am filter diving, what were everyone's thoughts on KSC? Was he scummy enough in your books to deserve a lynch? Considering that he got replaced, I think it was just being super AFK. Granted Mafia can afford to sit back but I doubt that all three members have been silent.
kamtt what you think of the scum team that SW proposed?
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On January 11 2017 10:49 Damdred wrote: Yeah DF reaction to the lynch and his going about the lynch doesn't feel exactly right so far to me.
Me being off the lynch is interesting though. Need to look at votes, but the throw awayb is interesting there.
same question (although slightly answered) what you think of SW team proposition?
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On January 11 2017 10:57 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 10:51 ika42 wrote:On January 11 2017 10:49 Damdred wrote: Yeah DF reaction to the lynch and his going about the lynch doesn't feel exactly right so far to me.
Me being off the lynch is interesting though. Need to look at votes, but the throw awayb is interesting there. same question (although slightly answered) what you think of SW team proposition? If me is scum which is possible I don't think he's scum with sw necessarily. It's possible, it's a distancing tactic but I don't think a newb would do it here. No then again hunting just based on teams won't win is the game here as a don't have that info so is weigh both separately atm which I will do shortly.
thats not what i mena, i mean the team of omg/calix/DF
i have her as town
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On January 12 2017 02:10 Damdred wrote: I saw someone mention silver earlier as scum (I think) Why exactly? I read his filter and theres some really good things in their that I coudl see coming from town more than scum.
Reactions to whats going on in the thread Reads accurate to what hes been talking about Actual progression on the reads, good pressure to his scum reads
I really liked his filter honestly. Definatly going in the town pile today. I kind of want to put onegu in that pile as well
silverwolf is female fyi
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On January 12 2017 02:33 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 02:23 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 02:10 Damdred wrote: I saw someone mention silver earlier as scum (I think) Why exactly? I read his filter and theres some really good things in their that I coudl see coming from town more than scum.
Reactions to whats going on in the thread Reads accurate to what hes been talking about Actual progression on the reads, good pressure to his scum reads
I really liked his filter honestly. Definatly going in the town pile today. I kind of want to put onegu in that pile as well silverwolf is female fyi Whops well she ^_- what do you think of silver?
ill wait till you read the iso
if you need to know now its town though
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im gonna find the scum team post silver preposed cus im 100% banking on that not
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On January 12 2017 09:04 ika42 wrote: im gonna find the scum team post silver preposed cus im 100% banking on that now
fixed.
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On January 11 2017 10:08 SilverWolf77 wrote: What do people say to Calix, darthfoley, Onegu scumteam?
here it is,
at least one scum is gonna be in here. frankly i would not be surprised if its all 3 right now
im waiting on kmatt though becasue hes still an uncontested vig and i want to hear his thoughts
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On January 12 2017 09:06 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 10:08 SilverWolf77 wrote: What do people say to Calix, darthfoley, Onegu scumteam?
If you mean this. I am not sure tbh, why leave the vig alive in what is 100% mylo at this point?
simple: silverwolf was on the right track and that kamtt has nto bee around in the game.
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On January 12 2017 09:07 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 09:06 Damdred wrote:On January 11 2017 10:08 SilverWolf77 wrote: What do people say to Calix, darthfoley, Onegu scumteam?
If you mean this. I am not sure tbh, why leave the vig alive in what is 100% mylo at this point? This is a good point.
you of all people should know this one calix...
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On January 12 2017 09:15 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 09:09 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 09:07 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 09:06 Damdred wrote:On January 11 2017 10:08 SilverWolf77 wrote: What do people say to Calix, darthfoley, Onegu scumteam?
If you mean this. I am not sure tbh, why leave the vig alive in what is 100% mylo at this point? This is a good point. you of all people should know this one calix... What about why Vivax was killed then? You have him coming around on darth, he thinks onegu is town and he wasn't really scum reading Calix I believe at that point? Right now gut feels like silver was killed cause he was the most town read person atm in the game.
she had two people voting her last phase
i explained the viv kill ealrier, he was on the right track/hinting PR with the "im gonan die"
the kill in general could of also been that he was defenednig grack and that 1g is scum. notice how he said "oh its auto" on day 2, he could of done some real scum hunting but didn't,
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On January 12 2017 09:21 Damdred wrote: By oh its auto you mean onegu saying that right?
yes
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On January 12 2017 09:29 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 09:07 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 09:06 Damdred wrote:On January 11 2017 10:08 SilverWolf77 wrote: What do people say to Calix, darthfoley, Onegu scumteam?
If you mean this. I am not sure tbh, why leave the vig alive in what is 100% mylo at this point? simple: silverwolf was on the right track and that kamtt has nto bee around in the game. I think it's more likely that SW was killed because literally 0 people scum read her and she was active
And that would not apply to the vig or me because?
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On January 12 2017 09:26 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 09:21 reps)squishy wrote:On January 12 2017 09:12 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 09:08 reps)squishy wrote:On January 12 2017 08:47 Damdred wrote: Also squishy is that all really alignment indicative? Sheeping isn't necessarily just something mafia or town does right? It is NAI on its own. But if you connect the dots that he does not lead or push his own reads; it makes me feel weird. Since you are not seeing eye to eye with me it may just be my gut telling me then. But I feel he is trying to fly below the radar, and be another number in these townie lynches, rather than make his own arguments and risk being questioned. I'm nto sure, sheeping isn't necessarily a scummy trait or following someone you think is town. What do you think about his postings during hte night so far? Don't see any town indicators in it? I believe his night posts were NAI Anyway although I think DF is scummy, Onegu is my main read and I think it is way worse letting him go under the radar so ##Vote: Onegu Would you really want to risk the game killing onegu today and him being town? Like I understand frustration with someone not really playing that much. But i'm not sure if him not necessarily playing in this situation is super indicative.
even so viv suspected him and then he died... SW suspected him and then he died....
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On January 12 2017 09:45 darthfoley wrote: wait Vivax never reads Onegu as scum. He town leans him
I though he read him as scum? I'll have to run a filther later
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On January 12 2017 09:52 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 09:51 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 09:49 darthfoley wrote: On the other hand, SW knows ika the best and is most likely to correctly scum read him. SW dies.
Except SW has town read ika from d1 into oblivion... so i'm pretty sure my tin foil falls apart lol I don't need to be an expert on NKA to assume that SW didn't die because scum!ika was terrified that she would turn on him, lol. Like it is possible that ika is scum given that he's just limped into the thread with shitty NKA and no backing but SW dying is definitely not a reason that factors into that.
You really don't know us then. In a world where I she is town and I am scum I would of left her alive or killed her n1.
If she's town reading me I would not kill her nor would she kill me.
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Hell why couldnt you of killed sw calix?
I mean your reason applies to you as well
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On January 12 2017 10:01 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 09:58 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 09:52 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 09:51 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 09:49 darthfoley wrote: On the other hand, SW knows ika the best and is most likely to correctly scum read him. SW dies.
Except SW has town read ika from d1 into oblivion... so i'm pretty sure my tin foil falls apart lol I don't need to be an expert on NKA to assume that SW didn't die because scum!ika was terrified that she would turn on him, lol. Like it is possible that ika is scum given that he's just limped into the thread with shitty NKA and no backing but SW dying is definitely not a reason that factors into that. You really don't know us then. In a world where I she is town and I am scum I would of left her alive or killed her n1. If she's town reading me I would not kill her nor would she kill me. Don't worry, I don't care to. Your post is WIFOM since it basically says "I wouldn't have done XYZ as scum" which cannot be proven one way or the other. Kindly weigh in on the rest of the discussion if you don't mind.
about what? im going with silverwolfs reads
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On January 12 2017 10:03 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 10:00 ika42 wrote: Hell why couldnt you of killed sw calix?
I mean your reason applies to you as well The levels of logical fallacy in this post are extremely high. My previous post stands and I'm not getting dragged into a discussion about NKA with a player who has yet to talk about anything substantial today.
your avoidance to answer the question is noted
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On January 12 2017 10:09 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 10:06 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 10:01 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 09:58 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 09:52 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 09:51 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 09:49 darthfoley wrote: On the other hand, SW knows ika the best and is most likely to correctly scum read him. SW dies.
Except SW has town read ika from d1 into oblivion... so i'm pretty sure my tin foil falls apart lol I don't need to be an expert on NKA to assume that SW didn't die because scum!ika was terrified that she would turn on him, lol. Like it is possible that ika is scum given that he's just limped into the thread with shitty NKA and no backing but SW dying is definitely not a reason that factors into that. You really don't know us then. In a world where I she is town and I am scum I would of left her alive or killed her n1. If she's town reading me I would not kill her nor would she kill me. Don't worry, I don't care to. Your post is WIFOM since it basically says "I wouldn't have done XYZ as scum" which cannot be proven one way or the other. Kindly weigh in on the rest of the discussion if you don't mind. about what? im going with silverwolfs reads Your blind copying of a single "hey guys do you think DF/ Calix/ Onegu are the scum team?" post which she never elaborated on has also been noted, my dude. There is no way for you to know why she posted that from the thread. There is no reasoning to "sheep" Explain please.
She is dead and is town. Have no reason to not trust her reads at this point.
when have you seen me really elaborate on crap or have "strong reasons: on anything? you of all people know im a gut player
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On January 12 2017 10:18 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 10:18 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 10:09 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 10:06 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 10:01 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 09:58 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 09:52 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 09:51 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 09:49 darthfoley wrote: On the other hand, SW knows ika the best and is most likely to correctly scum read him. SW dies.
Except SW has town read ika from d1 into oblivion... so i'm pretty sure my tin foil falls apart lol I don't need to be an expert on NKA to assume that SW didn't die because scum!ika was terrified that she would turn on him, lol. Like it is possible that ika is scum given that he's just limped into the thread with shitty NKA and no backing but SW dying is definitely not a reason that factors into that. You really don't know us then. In a world where I she is town and I am scum I would of left her alive or killed her n1. If she's town reading me I would not kill her nor would she kill me. Don't worry, I don't care to. Your post is WIFOM since it basically says "I wouldn't have done XYZ as scum" which cannot be proven one way or the other. Kindly weigh in on the rest of the discussion if you don't mind. about what? im going with silverwolfs reads Your blind copying of a single "hey guys do you think DF/ Calix/ Onegu are the scum team?" post which she never elaborated on has also been noted, my dude. There is no way for you to know why she posted that from the thread. There is no reasoning to "sheep" Explain please. She is dead and is town. Have no reason to not trust her reads at this point. when have you seen me really elaborate on crap or have "strong reasons: on anything? you of all people know im a gut player SO you voted calix?
i can vote you right back you know
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On January 12 2017 10:23 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 10:18 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 10:09 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 10:06 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 10:01 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 09:58 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 09:52 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 09:51 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 09:49 darthfoley wrote: On the other hand, SW knows ika the best and is most likely to correctly scum read him. SW dies.
Except SW has town read ika from d1 into oblivion... so i'm pretty sure my tin foil falls apart lol I don't need to be an expert on NKA to assume that SW didn't die because scum!ika was terrified that she would turn on him, lol. Like it is possible that ika is scum given that he's just limped into the thread with shitty NKA and no backing but SW dying is definitely not a reason that factors into that. You really don't know us then. In a world where I she is town and I am scum I would of left her alive or killed her n1. If she's town reading me I would not kill her nor would she kill me. Don't worry, I don't care to. Your post is WIFOM since it basically says "I wouldn't have done XYZ as scum" which cannot be proven one way or the other. Kindly weigh in on the rest of the discussion if you don't mind. about what? im going with silverwolfs reads Your blind copying of a single "hey guys do you think DF/ Calix/ Onegu are the scum team?" post which she never elaborated on has also been noted, my dude. There is no way for you to know why she posted that from the thread. There is no reasoning to "sheep" Explain please. She is dead and is town. Have no reason to not trust her reads at this point. when have you seen me really elaborate on crap or have "strong reasons: on anything? you of all people know im a gut player 1)My point is that she didn't explain those reads at all and you are basically scum-reading three people based on one post even though she was hard town-reading two of those names earlier and null-town read the third and - again - she did not say why she made that post. 2)So not only did you drop all of your previous reads but you're totally unwilling to reconsider...based off NOTHING. 3)And then you threaten to vote Onegu when he questions you. 4)The levels of bullshit are too fucking high here.
1)she doesnt have to, she fliped town. thats a reason in of itself
2) hypocritical much? i trust her over myself many times oover, you can see any hydra game and understand why i trusst her reads more
3) it wasnt a threat per say it was more of a joke comment
4) so you gonna vote me then or just whine about it?
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On January 12 2017 10:31 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 10:27 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 10:23 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 10:18 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 10:09 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 10:06 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 10:01 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 09:58 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 09:52 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 09:51 Calix wrote: [quote]
I don't need to be an expert on NKA to assume that SW didn't die because scum!ika was terrified that she would turn on him, lol. Like it is possible that ika is scum given that he's just limped into the thread with shitty NKA and no backing but SW dying is definitely not a reason that factors into that. You really don't know us then. In a world where I she is town and I am scum I would of left her alive or killed her n1. If she's town reading me I would not kill her nor would she kill me. Don't worry, I don't care to. Your post is WIFOM since it basically says "I wouldn't have done XYZ as scum" which cannot be proven one way or the other. Kindly weigh in on the rest of the discussion if you don't mind. about what? im going with silverwolfs reads Your blind copying of a single "hey guys do you think DF/ Calix/ Onegu are the scum team?" post which she never elaborated on has also been noted, my dude. There is no way for you to know why she posted that from the thread. There is no reasoning to "sheep" Explain please. She is dead and is town. Have no reason to not trust her reads at this point. when have you seen me really elaborate on crap or have "strong reasons: on anything? you of all people know im a gut player 1)My point is that she didn't explain those reads at all and you are basically scum-reading three people based on one post even though she was hard town-reading two of those names earlier and null-town read the third and - again - she did not say why she made that post. 2)So not only did you drop all of your previous reads but you're totally unwilling to reconsider...based off NOTHING. 3)And then you threaten to vote Onegu when he questions you. 4)The levels of bullshit are too fucking high here. 1)she doesnt have to, she fliped town. thats a reason in of itself 2) hypocritical much? i trust her over myself many times oover, you can see any hydra game and understand why i trusst her reads more 3) it wasnt a threat per say it was more of a joke comment 4) so you gonna vote me then or just whine about it? So why don't you trust Vivax or Grack's reads? They're both town and have both flipped. Why not sheep them?
becasue unlike SW, i dont know them or their ability to be right
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On January 12 2017 10:31 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 10:27 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 10:23 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 10:18 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 10:09 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 10:06 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 10:01 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 09:58 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 09:52 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 09:51 Calix wrote: [quote]
I don't need to be an expert on NKA to assume that SW didn't die because scum!ika was terrified that she would turn on him, lol. Like it is possible that ika is scum given that he's just limped into the thread with shitty NKA and no backing but SW dying is definitely not a reason that factors into that. You really don't know us then. In a world where I she is town and I am scum I would of left her alive or killed her n1. If she's town reading me I would not kill her nor would she kill me. Don't worry, I don't care to. Your post is WIFOM since it basically says "I wouldn't have done XYZ as scum" which cannot be proven one way or the other. Kindly weigh in on the rest of the discussion if you don't mind. about what? im going with silverwolfs reads Your blind copying of a single "hey guys do you think DF/ Calix/ Onegu are the scum team?" post which she never elaborated on has also been noted, my dude. There is no way for you to know why she posted that from the thread. There is no reasoning to "sheep" Explain please. She is dead and is town. Have no reason to not trust her reads at this point. when have you seen me really elaborate on crap or have "strong reasons: on anything? you of all people know im a gut player 1)My point is that she didn't explain those reads at all and you are basically scum-reading three people based on one post even though she was hard town-reading two of those names earlier and null-town read the third and - again - she did not say why she made that post. 2)So not only did you drop all of your previous reads but you're totally unwilling to reconsider...based off NOTHING. 3)And then you threaten to vote Onegu when he questions you. 4)The levels of bullshit are too fucking high here. 1)she doesnt have to, she fliped town. thats a reason in of itself 2) hypocritical much? i trust her over myself many times oover, you can see any hydra game and understand why i trusst her reads more 3) it wasnt a threat per say it was more of a joke comment 4) so you gonna vote me then or just whine about it? 1. lol? You need to hop off your GF's dick, my dude. 2. There is no hypocrisy in my response. I said that you dropped everything to sheep one line she made. You...agree with me that you're doing that. 4. No because I think Boston is much scummier but holy shit, your posts today are awful.
!) how about you keep the personal attack and the RL out of the game
2) im poinging it out that you almost never revaulate so it kinda is lol
4) are you going to vote me?
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On January 12 2017 10:35 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 10:33 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 10:31 darthfoley wrote:On January 12 2017 10:27 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 10:23 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 10:18 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 10:09 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 10:06 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 10:01 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 09:58 ika42 wrote: [quote]
You really don't know us then. In a world where I she is town and I am scum I would of left her alive or killed her n1.
If she's town reading me I would not kill her nor would she kill me. Don't worry, I don't care to. Your post is WIFOM since it basically says "I wouldn't have done XYZ as scum" which cannot be proven one way or the other. Kindly weigh in on the rest of the discussion if you don't mind. about what? im going with silverwolfs reads Your blind copying of a single "hey guys do you think DF/ Calix/ Onegu are the scum team?" post which she never elaborated on has also been noted, my dude. There is no way for you to know why she posted that from the thread. There is no reasoning to "sheep" Explain please. She is dead and is town. Have no reason to not trust her reads at this point. when have you seen me really elaborate on crap or have "strong reasons: on anything? you of all people know im a gut player 1)My point is that she didn't explain those reads at all and you are basically scum-reading three people based on one post even though she was hard town-reading two of those names earlier and null-town read the third and - again - she did not say why she made that post. 2)So not only did you drop all of your previous reads but you're totally unwilling to reconsider...based off NOTHING. 3)And then you threaten to vote Onegu when he questions you. 4)The levels of bullshit are too fucking high here. 1)she doesnt have to, she fliped town. thats a reason in of itself 2) hypocritical much? i trust her over myself many times oover, you can see any hydra game and understand why i trusst her reads more 3) it wasnt a threat per say it was more of a joke comment 4) so you gonna vote me then or just whine about it? So why don't you trust Vivax or Grack's reads? They're both town and have both flipped. Why not sheep them? becasue unlike SW, i dont know them or their ability to be right Ok then I ask. Why was vivax killed N1 over her?
He was rigth on grack and was WIFOMing to be a pr in night witht he "im gonna die"
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On January 12 2017 10:37 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 10:34 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 10:31 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 10:27 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 10:23 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 10:18 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 10:09 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 10:06 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 10:01 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 09:58 ika42 wrote: [quote]
You really don't know us then. In a world where I she is town and I am scum I would of left her alive or killed her n1.
If she's town reading me I would not kill her nor would she kill me. Don't worry, I don't care to. Your post is WIFOM since it basically says "I wouldn't have done XYZ as scum" which cannot be proven one way or the other. Kindly weigh in on the rest of the discussion if you don't mind. about what? im going with silverwolfs reads Your blind copying of a single "hey guys do you think DF/ Calix/ Onegu are the scum team?" post which she never elaborated on has also been noted, my dude. There is no way for you to know why she posted that from the thread. There is no reasoning to "sheep" Explain please. She is dead and is town. Have no reason to not trust her reads at this point. when have you seen me really elaborate on crap or have "strong reasons: on anything? you of all people know im a gut player 1)My point is that she didn't explain those reads at all and you are basically scum-reading three people based on one post even though she was hard town-reading two of those names earlier and null-town read the third and - again - she did not say why she made that post. 2)So not only did you drop all of your previous reads but you're totally unwilling to reconsider...based off NOTHING. 3)And then you threaten to vote Onegu when he questions you. 4)The levels of bullshit are too fucking high here. 1)she doesnt have to, she fliped town. thats a reason in of itself 2) hypocritical much? i trust her over myself many times oover, you can see any hydra game and understand why i trusst her reads more 3) it wasnt a threat per say it was more of a joke comment 4) so you gonna vote me then or just whine about it? 1. lol? You need to hop off your GF's dick, my dude. 2. There is no hypocrisy in my response. I said that you dropped everything to sheep one line she made. You...agree with me that you're doing that. 4. No because I think Boston is much scummier but holy shit, your posts today are awful. !) how about you keep the personal attack and the RL out of the game 2) im poinging it out that you almost never revaulate so it kinda is lol 4) are you going to vote me? 1. Says the guy who constantly brings up his relationship with SW. 2. Evidence or GTFO with your groundless comments. 4. I don't know, I can't see the future. Why do you care if I'm 'going to' vote for you? lol
1) i have not brought it up outside of maybe the begginng of the game to claify to people we live together. even if i had i have not used it as a reason to town read her and have explained many in game reasons. if anything i have brought up more about my personal RL (overnights) then hers
2) fringe and overwatch come to mind
4) becasue your doing nothing but discrediting and not treating me like im scum so i want to see if your going to put your money where your mouth is
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as well as any sc2 game you played where you were town. also ive heard the same tends to happen here so...
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actually masqurade is a prime one thats recent too
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On January 12 2017 10:45 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 10:43 ika42 wrote: as well as any sc2 game you played where you were town. also ive heard the same tends to happen here so... >claims I'm 'discrediting' him >makes a post doing nothing but discrediting my play
lol. your not really refuting ym points when you say "your post has been shit"
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On January 12 2017 10:46 Calix wrote: Like are you actually going to do this thing called "scum-hunting" or are you just going to talk about night kills and contradict yourself ten times over? Because if it's the latter then I'm already bored.
you can ignore me if you like. ill just leave my vote on you
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On January 12 2017 11:00 Onegu wrote: At ika and calix
We are not going to lynch the 2 people with the biggest filter with 3 mafia alive in mylo. So if you want to keep your reads but you two are not the lynch today...
ill consdier it overnight. i have to get ready
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I don't see much of a reason to overall.
I mean from your and my pov we know there must be one scum in the dam/calix/1g grouping
So I'm weary of just voting there outright to begin with. Will I prob Vote it in the end? Yes
I just don't have much motivation right now
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Finally off overnights till Sunday.
I briefly read up and I'm gonna address the quick thing that I saw that calix mentioned
Calix, you yourself has said you have played very little in the mylo/mylo (cus you did so much) I have played more then I can enjoy so seeing how votes are not locked and there's no majority I am considering all options right now. I mean if bos is town, gg.
If he's scum it's clear someone is bussing cus we have a 4v3 situation and you have to realize yourself that not everyone voting can be town at this point. So I'm scum hunting for the person who is bussing. That includes you
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Now I'm gonna go to sleep I should be around to move my vote before eod
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Wait nvm I missed who was on wagon already.
Basicly though if I or anyone adds their vote it's garenteed someone is scum
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On January 13 2017 22:56 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2017 21:25 ika42 wrote: Wait nvm I missed who was on wagon already.
Basicly though if I or anyone adds their vote it's garenteed someone is scum What does this even mean?
to batter expalin
anyone not onn the wagon knows there is at least one scum in the trio (scince matt is uncontested). to anyone on the wagon, one could argue that veeryone is town on the wagon
so in essence, me (or rep for that matter) adding ym vote makes everyone know there must be one scum in the tri of voters (again not counting self and matt at that point)
hence why i have been weary of the wagon
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On January 13 2017 23:59 Damdred wrote: It's almost like a scum claim.
Like if ika knows her town he never says if I (or anyone) move my vote to Boston we are guaranteed someone on it is scum.
Right now if he knows he is town than someone on thw wagon already is guaranteed scum, unless he slipped admitting everyone off wagon is scum.
if i was scum with B0 he would of been dead on day 1 and i would of killed someone like kmatt (for when i pointed out the townslip) or calix n1
you would also have to account that i somehow have fooled SW all this time.
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On January 14 2017 01:26 darthfoley wrote: like idk how you can expect anyone to just believe you that you would've killed your scummate D1 when there was a TvT claim/cc going on
i dont, i dont care anymore either
go ahead and lynch me next. im tied, im demotivated. i have no intrest in the gaem after alll the shit that has been done.
its clear your scum but i dont have the carisma nor motivation nor time to do otherwise
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oh the case is about logic.
well news flash: i dont care for logic and never will
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On January 14 2017 02:38 darthfoley wrote: the omgus and wifom are real
yup.
i mean calix could really say about the me not wanting to kill SW part at last but she will go "its WIFOM"
do you have anything else to say or not?
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On January 14 2017 03:11 darthfoley wrote: dude i wrote an entire case on you, I don't have anything else to say lol.
It's just funny how you were mad at Grack and ME for losing motivation and losing their patience, and now the shoe is on the other foot and you're holier than thou about it
i never bitched about grack losing motivation. i complained more about his stubboness about not elaborating on his town read if anythign else. ME did nothing but complain and be angry constantly and then got himself mod killed.
theres a lot of stuff i would love to sit here and rant about but again: i dont care nor is this the place to say it
im not really holiering about it like you are making it out to be. Ive merely said i have been tired and busy.
ive been trying to figure out who is the scum on the wagon but im met with: "your reasons suck"
i mean calix self admits to not playing lylos vs me whos been in about 20-30 of these stupid ass things abd complains im doing it badly.
the thing is everyone is already auto-piolet bos and not (FMPOV) looking at the very people on the wagon and more or less are saying "well hes double bussed or not" which basically everyone is saying "all town wagon GG"
so what am i to do? you isoed and cased me so you know i care little to logic and progressions and crap so i already take it im not convincing anyone. why do effort that does nothing?
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On January 14 2017 03:34 Damdred wrote: Just show us why the others are scum ika you are like the third lynch right now....its not like everyone is sold exactly just explain why calix or darth are scum.
here the thing, i rather let scums decide it for me.
lets say i case player X, player X then dies. My case is moot point.
aslo you can not buddy me. there's a reason why i'm withholding as well. my paranoia will litarly convince myself to think the scum team is something like matt/calix/rep or something absurd
its why i enjoy having SW around to talk to. cus if shes scum i will call her out, if shes town i can work with her to ease my paranoia and have a town core to work with.
i know im third lynch but it doesn't change anything. everyone has an auto-piolet mind right now
(yes im super fuckign tired and have little in the sense of fixing spelling atm)
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On January 14 2017 03:57 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 03:44 ika42 wrote:On January 14 2017 03:11 darthfoley wrote: dude i wrote an entire case on you, I don't have anything else to say lol.
It's just funny how you were mad at Grack and ME for losing motivation and losing their patience, and now the shoe is on the other foot and you're holier than thou about it i never bitched about grack losing motivation. i complained more about his stubboness about not elaborating on his town read if anythign else. ME did nothing but complain and be angry constantly and then got himself mod killed. theres a lot of stuff i would love to sit here and rant about but again: i dont care nor is this the place to say it im not really holiering about it like you are making it out to be. Ive merely said i have been tired and busy. ive been trying to figure out who is the scum on the wagon but im met with: "your reasons suck" i mean calix self admits to not playing lylos vs me whos been in about 20-30 of these stupid ass things abd complains im doing it badly. the thing is everyone is already auto-piolet bos and not (FMPOV) looking at the very people on the wagon and more or less are saying "well hes double bussed or not" which basically everyone is saying "all town wagon GG" so what am i to do? you isoed and cased me so you know i care little to logic and progressions and crap so i already take it im not convincing anyone. why do effort that does nothing? So how are people supposed to town read you if you don't "care" for logic and read progressions?
well: does my mindset come from town or scum? was SW suspecting me at time of death? whats my intent? am i consitent in my posting or not (hint more times im not)
now before you even respond i know some of them are "oh thats meat its WIFOM" so plz don't even bring it up that it is. if you want to talk to me im all ears. im just tired so my patience is thin. if theres any of the "WIFOM" arguments im just gonna go.
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On January 14 2017 04:11 darthfoley wrote: Why are you acting like the only motivation behind killing SW would've been her read on you?
name a different motivation. i've named several others but all ive been told is that im wrong
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On January 14 2017 04:10 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 03:54 Damdred wrote: I'm not buddyign you i'm trying to actually get you to play instead of tilting over nothing.
there is roughly 5 hours before the lynch happens if you don't think b0ston is scum nows not the time to hold back when you know we lose if hes town?
I think Squishy is mafia and I think B0ston is mafia. Am I wrong on either and why exactly? Yeah I don't get what the point is with limping into the thread and saying that we're auto-pilot on Boston and reps (who he doesn't scum-read) without doing anything to change anyone's mind.
so i should afk instead?
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On January 14 2017 04:04 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2017 21:18 ika42 wrote: Finally off overnights till Sunday.
I briefly read up and I'm gonna address the quick thing that I saw that calix mentioned
Calix, you yourself has said you have played very little in the mylo/mylo (cus you did so much) I have played more then I can enjoy so seeing how votes are not locked and there's no majority I am considering all options right now. I mean if bos is town, gg.
If he's scum it's clear someone is bussing cus we have a 4v3 situation and you have to realize yourself that not everyone voting can be town at this point. So I'm scum hunting for the person who is bussing. That includes you Why are you talking to me like you think I'm town? You've been saying "Calix is scum" for most of the game but the last line looks like you're legitimately trying to convince me that you're really scum-hunting and shit. Speaking of which, how the hell have you been scum-hunting today? Arguing with me doesn't count, lol.
ive had you between null and scum most of the game.
arguing with you is how i have been scum hunting you. the rest of the time i have been busy.
do i consider you possible town? yes am i sold on you being town? no
you again, have said "never dont lylo/mylo" how you do it (or at least how i do it) is i scratch all my reads, read the most trusted dead person (or jsut the last nk) and go form there
most times votes would end on majority so without that its diffrent cus you dont have the basic "1v1" each time.
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On January 14 2017 04:15 darthfoley wrote: Dude you haven't even tried to explain your reasoning behind your scum reads. As Damdred said, if you think Calix is scum, please explain why. The game will continue if we're right about B0ston and it will end if we're wrong so please give a shit?
here the thing, to get any other lynch we need bos in event hes town otherwise he will:
A)be modkilled B) replaced and still be the scummiest slot
as for explanations: guts and meta and trusting SW.
calix can shit on the dead all she like, it does not change that they are town and thir ideas and thoughts come form a towns mind. thats why i vaule her reads over mine, shes a better player then i cna veer be
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On January 14 2017 04:17 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 04:12 ika42 wrote:On January 14 2017 04:11 darthfoley wrote: Why are you acting like the only motivation behind killing SW would've been her read on you? name a different motivation. i've named several others but all ive been told is that im wrong 1. She was literally universally townread; basically she was like Kmatt but without the role so she was never gonna MLK 2. Her inquisitive questions towards other people might've scared scum
1) she had 2 towns voting her at EOD. not really "universally town read" 2) already gave that idea out on the "she was narrowing the scum pool of who it was"
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On January 14 2017 04:20 Damdred wrote: How about this ika.
I don't think DarthFoley would take so much of his time (while a lynch is secure) to try to get reads or reactions/reasoning from you as scum.
Do you disagree or agree with this statement and why?
yes. if theres anythingn that makes me more paranoid then ever is when someoen does this kind of stuff or makes this kind of reasonsing
i cant even begin to count the number of games scums have used the "well treat him like town and work with him" meathod to try to manipulate me.
this is why i just want the god damned day to be over, im paranoid about fucking everything and i have nobody i can trust to tlak ot
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On January 14 2017 04:25 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 04:22 ika42 wrote:On January 14 2017 04:15 darthfoley wrote: Dude you haven't even tried to explain your reasoning behind your scum reads. As Damdred said, if you think Calix is scum, please explain why. The game will continue if we're right about B0ston and it will end if we're wrong so please give a shit? here the thing, to get any other lynch we need bos in event hes town otherwise he will: A)be modkilled B) replaced and still be the scummiest slot as for explanations: guts and meta and trusting SW. calix can shit on the dead all she like, it does not change that they are town and thir ideas and thoughts come form a towns mind. thats why i vaule her reads over mine, shes a better player then i cna veer be I see a glimmer of a valid point here with your first line if you're arguing what I think you're arguing.
go ahead and say it, im too tired to try to see if this mirrors the reason im thinking
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On January 14 2017 04:27 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 04:24 ika42 wrote:On January 14 2017 04:17 darthfoley wrote:On January 14 2017 04:12 ika42 wrote:On January 14 2017 04:11 darthfoley wrote: Why are you acting like the only motivation behind killing SW would've been her read on you? name a different motivation. i've named several others but all ive been told is that im wrong 1. She was literally universally townread; basically she was like Kmatt but without the role so she was never gonna MLK 2. Her inquisitive questions towards other people might've scared scum 1) she had 2 towns voting her at EOD. not really "universally town read" 2) already gave that idea out on the "she was narrowing the scum pool of who it was" Both towns were dead by the time the kill happened, and one of the town voting on her was lynched. So your first point is kinda a non point all alive players were town reading SK basically. While I appreciate teh sentiment about peoples reads beig better she never really finished her reads list we just have three people thrown out asked if someone else liked the team. The thread can't really know where she was going with it really.
On January 14 2017 04:25 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 04:24 ika42 wrote:On January 14 2017 04:17 darthfoley wrote:On January 14 2017 04:12 ika42 wrote:On January 14 2017 04:11 darthfoley wrote: Why are you acting like the only motivation behind killing SW would've been her read on you? name a different motivation. i've named several others but all ive been told is that im wrong 1. She was literally universally townread; basically she was like Kmatt but without the role so she was never gonna MLK 2. Her inquisitive questions towards other people might've scared scum 1) she had 2 towns voting her at EOD. not really "universally town read" 2) already gave that idea out on the "she was narrowing the scum pool of who it was" ME's vote was pure salt, and as we know btdt didn't know what the hell he was doing this game
both of these do not change the point they were town nor does it change that she had votes on her.
i mean if you really want to make the argument about it, matt is confirmed town and he didnt die. so it leads to one or more of the reasons that have beens tated. i dont get why all the reasons have to be exclusive to each other
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On January 14 2017 04:27 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 04:25 Calix wrote:On January 14 2017 04:22 ika42 wrote:On January 14 2017 04:15 darthfoley wrote: Dude you haven't even tried to explain your reasoning behind your scum reads. As Damdred said, if you think Calix is scum, please explain why. The game will continue if we're right about B0ston and it will end if we're wrong so please give a shit? here the thing, to get any other lynch we need bos in event hes town otherwise he will: A)be modkilled B) replaced and still be the scummiest slot as for explanations: guts and meta and trusting SW. calix can shit on the dead all she like, it does not change that they are town and thir ideas and thoughts come form a towns mind. thats why i vaule her reads over mine, shes a better player then i cna veer be I see a glimmer of a valid point here with your first line if you're arguing what I think you're arguing. go ahead and say it, im too tired to try to see if this mirrors the reason im thinking
know what nvm. dont say it i should be back before eod but ill say before i go (in like 15 mins)
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On January 14 2017 04:29 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 04:26 ika42 wrote:On January 14 2017 04:20 Damdred wrote: How about this ika.
I don't think DarthFoley would take so much of his time (while a lynch is secure) to try to get reads or reactions/reasoning from you as scum.
Do you disagree or agree with this statement and why? yes. if theres anythingn that makes me more paranoid then ever is when someoen does this kind of stuff or makes this kind of reasonsing i cant even begin to count the number of games scums have used the "well treat him like town and work with him" meathod to try to manipulate me. this is why i just want the god damned day to be over, im paranoid about fucking everything and i have nobody i can trust to tlak ot If you think B0ston is town (which you still haven't answered yet) then it doesn't matter and he should just fuck off as the game is over at this point. Darths other scum games though don't really even remotely look like doing things to make myself look good when I don't have to but meh. That part really isn't important, and honestly theres probably three easy town reads in the thread in my mind so just need to make the effort.
i thought i made it clear: i think hes scum and that scum(s) are bussing him
the literal fact hes afk makes the point moot
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On January 14 2017 04:30 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 04:27 ika42 wrote:On January 14 2017 04:25 Calix wrote:On January 14 2017 04:22 ika42 wrote:On January 14 2017 04:15 darthfoley wrote: Dude you haven't even tried to explain your reasoning behind your scum reads. As Damdred said, if you think Calix is scum, please explain why. The game will continue if we're right about B0ston and it will end if we're wrong so please give a shit? here the thing, to get any other lynch we need bos in event hes town otherwise he will: A)be modkilled B) replaced and still be the scummiest slot as for explanations: guts and meta and trusting SW. calix can shit on the dead all she like, it does not change that they are town and thir ideas and thoughts come form a towns mind. thats why i vaule her reads over mine, shes a better player then i cna veer be I see a glimmer of a valid point here with your first line if you're arguing what I think you're arguing. go ahead and say it, im too tired to try to see if this mirrors the reason im thinking What I got out of that was that you are put at a disadvantage with trying to lynch anyone else because if Boston is town then you have one less town vote to stack on your scum-reads. Although I'm not sure why you wouldn't be voting Onegu if that was the case so idk.
its more then jsut that. its the literal fact that without him scum can win jsut by leaving him alive. if he gets modkilled then thats game
if he gets replaced. we have to deal with a player who has a slot thats been scummy as fuck.
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On January 14 2017 04:32 Calix wrote: Wait, I thought your scum team was Onegu/ Calix/ DF. What changed?
im gonna say this once as calmly as possible cus im about to reach overtilt: i have no clue who the scum team is at this point and until the bos lynch is done i don't feel like trying to make worlds out of it
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ive made my vote.
5 people on the wagon says enough to me thats its scum driven wagon for sure
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On January 14 2017 04:49 Damdred wrote: I'm unsure how its a scum driven wagon exactly when (if your town) only one person on it is probably scum (squish and b0Ston the scum in this situation)
Unless you really think we have lost the game tbh.
why does rep have to be scum in this situation?
you narrow the outlook to "only situation X can exist" yes it will look improbable. lylo/mylo is when you need to have more then jsut one outlook, you need to look at the game form every angle possible
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On January 14 2017 05:15 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 05:10 Kmatt wrote: Isn't that even less of a reason to care? If I'm RIP in paskettios I can't vote tomorrow can I? If the dead could vote you'd better believe they'd have put FDR back in.If anything my shitposting is the only thing keeping me alive.
Past B0ston (assuming he flips red) I could see Ika filling that slot, as it fits both my tinfoil theories (that between Ika/SW one of them is scum leading the other on and that despite all the AFKs at least one mafia is actively playing for towncred). There's also the easy vote in reps(, but easy votes have been nothing but ML so far. Right, if you don't care about the state of the game and want to be lazy, that's fair I guess. But knowing that your reads are pure of mafia agenda, it would be nice for you to care a little bit.
scum much?
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On January 14 2017 06:40 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 06:30 ika42 wrote:On January 14 2017 05:15 darthfoley wrote:On January 14 2017 05:10 Kmatt wrote: Isn't that even less of a reason to care? If I'm RIP in paskettios I can't vote tomorrow can I? If the dead could vote you'd better believe they'd have put FDR back in.If anything my shitposting is the only thing keeping me alive.
Past B0ston (assuming he flips red) I could see Ika filling that slot, as it fits both my tinfoil theories (that between Ika/SW one of them is scum leading the other on and that despite all the AFKs at least one mafia is actively playing for towncred). There's also the easy vote in reps(, but easy votes have been nothing but ML so far. Right, if you don't care about the state of the game and want to be lazy, that's fair I guess. But knowing that your reads are pure of mafia agenda, it would be nice for you to care a little bit. scum much? What?
nothing i misread.
im taking a nap
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i knew calix was too passive to be town
but like i said, game was called when day began on mylo
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On January 14 2017 09:05 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 09:03 ika42 wrote: i knew calix was too passive to be town
but like i said, game was called when day began on mylo Well you helped us by doing nothing about it. Anyways, the win is not as sweet as it could've been. We really want to thank btdt for his... interesting play :D
well the btdt is what kinda stopped it, add in gracks stubboness to not expalina simple town read (and if he did and i agreed in general i would of tried to town bloc him in it) kinda derailed it
i was gonna go on this huge speil but the mod already kinda touched on it.
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On January 14 2017 09:16 Vivax wrote: Kita's analysis is pretty good, lots of Vivax in it.
On a serious note, SW and ika should probably hydra cause the gang up feeling was strong in that pair and one could never be sure if you would lynch the other ever. BTDT apparently learned his lesson. Just watch what happens on your next CC though. Grack deserves credit for being I think the only person to TR me D1 against the odds.
we will 100% usa a hydra if we can.
im itching to pull out empathy again
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On January 14 2017 09:37 Calix wrote: Also I really hate night kill analysis. I'm the sort of person who prefers focusing on what you can see in the thread so when people waste time with NKA, it annoys me. I think the concept of trying to figure out why scum shot someone when they're still a team and you do not know their motivations for sure is stupid. It's not as bad when one scummer's left though.
i disagree, i find it to be the most viable. especially when one kills a non-confirmed pr. That leads to basicly "well the perosn was onto something"
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On January 14 2017 09:44 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 09:40 disformation wrote:On January 14 2017 09:37 Calix wrote: Also I really hate night kill analysis. I'm the sort of person who prefers focusing on what you can see in the thread so when people waste time with NKA, it annoys me. I think the concept of trying to figure out why scum shot someone when they're still a team and you do not know their motivations for sure is stupid. It's not as bad when one scummer's left though. fair enough. it can be very very wifom. still you have access to reads of a confirmed town now. shouldnt hurt to take a peek. (wish i would do this more often myself) In my opinion, alignments can be determined solely by post analysis and everything else is WIFOM that scum can use to frame townies or "confirm" themselves. People who rely on that as a crutch are admitting that they are so bad at reading players that they cannot use the words/ actions that the player ACTUALLY took to determine their alignment. I think I would have been more pissed off as town at how much time was spent on discussing the night kill... It's completely unnecessary.
Again, disagree, if you are trying to limit all the tools you can uyse (no matter how wifomy) you are also limting your scpoe of views. It then can lead to tunnel bias and thinking everything said is scum.
One thing silverwolf taught me early on was to look at who died. theres alwasya motive and it could be anything from "they are pr" to "they have accurate reads"
SW had died in many games early on cus she was right, many times town would then use her reads to lynch the remaining scums. so i find a dead townies read>own reads
if your not being killed over someon else, they are doign something you are not
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On January 14 2017 09:53 Calix wrote: That's not why we shot SW though.
does not change nor refute the point at hand
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On January 14 2017 09:58 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 09:56 Koshi wrote:On January 14 2017 09:53 Calix wrote: That's not why we shot SW though. lol. I can't believe that. It's pretty simple, my dear. Shoot the people you can't discredit in MYLO. Also had the nice benefit of weakening ika's standing in the town.
funny enough, if it is to happen again when we are both town. it would basicly mean we the other is town. the only time we have ever killed one another is when we are fliped scum or being suspected. she has gotten me lycnhed only to die right after and i will die the moment i suspect her to be scum when she is.
still want a scum game with her
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On January 14 2017 10:12 Calix wrote: I am actually going to start playing more neutral as town. I can't match the level of emotion I have as town as mafia. It's my ultimate scum tell and I can't shake it off.
I'm going to make my town game less emotional/ passionate so that it stops being a tell.
i will tell you now its not going to easy. Many people (me in this game) was pushing you based on that tell. So i kept going at you on day 3 becasue i felt so parnoid of your passiveness.
I mean it tends to be a big scum tell for many but when you establish this "way" of how you play as town (ie get in EVERYONE faces) its gonna be a while bfore people will accept it or not do that to get a town/scum out of you
i know SW used to have this tell of "if she posts a big wall shes town" scince then she has tonned it down a lot to where its really only a trump card that she uses when shes super invested and even then she can do it as scum
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