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On January 06 2017 09:22 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:19 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 09:16 KelsierSC wrote: well this start is shit tier, where dem boyz at? Seen a bunch of people flip mafia who complained about the state of the game at the start of the game, in my lifetime. Tempts me to find out if this is the case again. oh wow I didn't want like serious name calling to start, just people to post gifs and stuff
>complains about lack of activity at the start >complains when Vivax does something
Strong.
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Think he's referring to you and SW.
(ika/ SW know each other IRL iirc)
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On January 06 2017 09:30 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:27 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 09:22 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 09:19 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 09:16 KelsierSC wrote: well this start is shit tier, where dem boyz at? Seen a bunch of people flip mafia who complained about the state of the game at the start of the game, in my lifetime. Tempts me to find out if this is the case again. oh wow I didn't want like serious name calling to start, just people to post gifs and stuff >complains about lack of activity at the start >complains when Vivax does something Strong. ikr I just wanted some memes not mafia accusations to my person
You're welcome to post your own instead of expecting other people to do it for you
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I'm not a questionnaire kind of person.
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On January 06 2017 09:39 Grackaroni wrote: I'll answer the questions.
1) I'm always town. 2) 5 years 3) no 4) spammy 5) We'll have to find out. 6) Probably Calix.
What makes you say that re: #6? We've only been in one game before.
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On January 06 2017 09:42 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:39 Grackaroni wrote: I'll answer the questions.
1) I'm always town. 2) 5 years 3) no 4) spammy 5) We'll have to find out. 6) Probably Calix. What makes you say that re: #6? We've only been in one game before.
Wait no, there was HM 3.0 too but I died n1 there iirc so
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On January 06 2017 09:44 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:42 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 09:39 Grackaroni wrote: I'll answer the questions.
1) I'm always town. 2) 5 years 3) no 4) spammy 5) We'll have to find out. 6) Probably Calix. What makes you say that re: #6? We've only been in one game before. We've definitely played more than one because in the last game we got in a shit fight. I usually watch the games that I'm not in and the one scum game I saw you play you didn't seem like you were able to match your town play.
I'd like to think that my play's improved since that game. Touhou Mafia or whatever it was called was pretty good on my part.
You wound me </3
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On January 06 2017 09:37 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Checking In.Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Could you not lets act like ive never played mafia for a min: why? and i dont want to hear the "oh it narrows PR" crap (yes this is a vaild reason but anyone will argue this). Yes it is sub optimal in general but why are you opposed to it? also obligatory vote silverwolfnow onto something i want everyone to answer are you town? how long have you played mafia? do you play elsewhere and if so where? What is your typical play style? how do you scumhunt/townhunt? do you know anyone here that you can read very well? to answer my own: yes about 4-5 years now on and off now my typical style is to kinda talk to people and interact with others to try to get reads. most times it helps to have someone i know so i can quickly bounce with someone if they are town or lynch them if they are scum (hi silver) kinda said as above, but to summarize it i hunt though interactions most of the time yes, i can read silverwolf very well though watching and having interactions. 1. no 2. back in the day 3. no 4. ? 5. ? 6. nope obligatory qeustion : why the vote ?
I'm flagging up this post because I think it's a possible example of an inexperienced scum player struggling to enter the thread. I didn't even notice this dude had posted.
- Using an easy way of entering the thread (via questionnaire thing) to make a post which doesn't tell us anything - Adds a completely useless question about the vote (the 'obligatory' part pings me here) - Does nothing afterwards
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On January 06 2017 10:01 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:53 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 09:37 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Checking In.On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Could you not lets act like ive never played mafia for a min: why? and i dont want to hear the "oh it narrows PR" crap (yes this is a vaild reason but anyone will argue this). Yes it is sub optimal in general but why are you opposed to it? also obligatory vote silverwolfnow onto something i want everyone to answer are you town? how long have you played mafia? do you play elsewhere and if so where? What is your typical play style? how do you scumhunt/townhunt? do you know anyone here that you can read very well? to answer my own: yes about 4-5 years now on and off now my typical style is to kinda talk to people and interact with others to try to get reads. most times it helps to have someone i know so i can quickly bounce with someone if they are town or lynch them if they are scum (hi silver) kinda said as above, but to summarize it i hunt though interactions most of the time yes, i can read silverwolf very well though watching and having interactions. 1. no 2. back in the day 3. no 4. ? 5. ? 6. nope obligatory qeustion : why the vote ? I'm flagging up this post because I think it's a possible example of an inexperienced scum player struggling to enter the thread. I didn't even notice this dude had posted. - Using an easy way of entering the thread (via questionnaire thing) to make a post which doesn't tell us anything - Adds a completely useless question about the vote (the 'obligatory' part pings me here) - Does nothing afterwards he was one of the first questionnaire responses though , want to look at all the late answers who thought they had best fill one out so they didnt stick out.
It was the first one that stuck out to me as awkward/ forced.
However I'm interested in your take on 'blendy' answers.
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On January 06 2017 10:07 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 10:02 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:01 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 09:53 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 09:37 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Checking In.On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Could you not lets act like ive never played mafia for a min: why? and i dont want to hear the "oh it narrows PR" crap (yes this is a vaild reason but anyone will argue this). Yes it is sub optimal in general but why are you opposed to it? also obligatory vote silverwolfnow onto something i want everyone to answer are you town? how long have you played mafia? do you play elsewhere and if so where? What is your typical play style? how do you scumhunt/townhunt? do you know anyone here that you can read very well? to answer my own: yes about 4-5 years now on and off now my typical style is to kinda talk to people and interact with others to try to get reads. most times it helps to have someone i know so i can quickly bounce with someone if they are town or lynch them if they are scum (hi silver) kinda said as above, but to summarize it i hunt though interactions most of the time yes, i can read silverwolf very well though watching and having interactions. 1. no 2. back in the day 3. no 4. ? 5. ? 6. nope obligatory qeustion : why the vote ? I'm flagging up this post because I think it's a possible example of an inexperienced scum player struggling to enter the thread. I didn't even notice this dude had posted. - Using an easy way of entering the thread (via questionnaire thing) to make a post which doesn't tell us anything - Adds a completely useless question about the vote (the 'obligatory' part pings me here) - Does nothing afterwards he was one of the first questionnaire responses though , want to look at all the late answers who thought they had best fill one out so they didnt stick out. It was the first one that stuck out to me as awkward/ forced. However I'm interested in your take on 'blendy' answers. well im not making a ground breaking finding but mafia generally try to blend in and make non commital or mimic posts right so they might have thought answering a list of questions which everyone else was doing is a good idea. probably not relevant here as the questionnaire was hardly insightful and i dont want to start a circle jerk with, well you posted 5th so you are scum. the whole exercise got me some good reads so not entirely pointless and now the the game is moving.
Nothing is going to be ground-breaking at this point so that qualifier (from DF too in the post above) is 100% unnecessary.
I didn't approach the questionnaires like that. The VCA-style "X voter/ poster is scum" thing is useless as a metric.
What "good" reads do you have?
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On January 06 2017 10:11 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 10:10 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:07 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:02 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:01 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 09:53 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 09:37 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Checking In.On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Could you not lets act like ive never played mafia for a min: why? and i dont want to hear the "oh it narrows PR" crap (yes this is a vaild reason but anyone will argue this). Yes it is sub optimal in general but why are you opposed to it? also obligatory vote silverwolfnow onto something i want everyone to answer are you town? how long have you played mafia? do you play elsewhere and if so where? What is your typical play style? how do you scumhunt/townhunt? do you know anyone here that you can read very well? to answer my own: yes about 4-5 years now on and off now my typical style is to kinda talk to people and interact with others to try to get reads. most times it helps to have someone i know so i can quickly bounce with someone if they are town or lynch them if they are scum (hi silver) kinda said as above, but to summarize it i hunt though interactions most of the time yes, i can read silverwolf very well though watching and having interactions. 1. no 2. back in the day 3. no 4. ? 5. ? 6. nope obligatory qeustion : why the vote ? I'm flagging up this post because I think it's a possible example of an inexperienced scum player struggling to enter the thread. I didn't even notice this dude had posted. - Using an easy way of entering the thread (via questionnaire thing) to make a post which doesn't tell us anything - Adds a completely useless question about the vote (the 'obligatory' part pings me here) - Does nothing afterwards he was one of the first questionnaire responses though , want to look at all the late answers who thought they had best fill one out so they didnt stick out. It was the first one that stuck out to me as awkward/ forced. However I'm interested in your take on 'blendy' answers. well im not making a ground breaking finding but mafia generally try to blend in and make non commital or mimic posts right so they might have thought answering a list of questions which everyone else was doing is a good idea. probably not relevant here as the questionnaire was hardly insightful and i dont want to start a circle jerk with, well you posted 5th so you are scum. the whole exercise got me some good reads so not entirely pointless and now the the game is moving. Nothing is going to be ground-breaking at this point so that qualifier (from DF too in the post above) is 100% unnecessary. I didn't approach the questionnaires like that. The VCA-style "X voter/ poster is scum" thing is useless as a metric. What "good" reads do you have? yo just calm down alright
My emotional state is irrelevant to the question.
You claim to have reads, I'm asking for them. What's the point of saying "I have reads" and then be stubborn about sharing them?
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On January 06 2017 10:16 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 10:13 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:11 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:10 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:07 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:02 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:01 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 09:53 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 09:37 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Checking In.On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote: [quote]
lets act like ive never played mafia for a min: why? and i dont want to hear the "oh it narrows PR" crap (yes this is a vaild reason but anyone will argue this). Yes it is sub optimal in general but why are you opposed to it?
also obligatory vote silverwolf
now onto something i want everyone to answer
are you town? how long have you played mafia? do you play elsewhere and if so where? What is your typical play style? how do you scumhunt/townhunt? do you know anyone here that you can read very well?
to answer my own: yes about 4-5 years now on and off now my typical style is to kinda talk to people and interact with others to try to get reads. most times it helps to have someone i know so i can quickly bounce with someone if they are town or lynch them if they are scum (hi silver) kinda said as above, but to summarize it i hunt though interactions most of the time yes, i can read silverwolf very well though watching and having interactions. 1. no 2. back in the day 3. no 4. ? 5. ? 6. nope obligatory qeustion : why the vote ? I'm flagging up this post because I think it's a possible example of an inexperienced scum player struggling to enter the thread. I didn't even notice this dude had posted. - Using an easy way of entering the thread (via questionnaire thing) to make a post which doesn't tell us anything - Adds a completely useless question about the vote (the 'obligatory' part pings me here) - Does nothing afterwards he was one of the first questionnaire responses though , want to look at all the late answers who thought they had best fill one out so they didnt stick out. It was the first one that stuck out to me as awkward/ forced. However I'm interested in your take on 'blendy' answers. well im not making a ground breaking finding but mafia generally try to blend in and make non commital or mimic posts right so they might have thought answering a list of questions which everyone else was doing is a good idea. probably not relevant here as the questionnaire was hardly insightful and i dont want to start a circle jerk with, well you posted 5th so you are scum. the whole exercise got me some good reads so not entirely pointless and now the the game is moving. Nothing is going to be ground-breaking at this point so that qualifier (from DF too in the post above) is 100% unnecessary. I didn't approach the questionnaires like that. The VCA-style "X voter/ poster is scum" thing is useless as a metric. What "good" reads do you have? yo just calm down alright My emotional state is irrelevant to the question. You claim to have reads, I'm asking for them. What's the point of saying "I have reads" and then be stubborn about sharing them? so what I did is I checked the order in which people responded to the questionnaire and the first ones to respond are clear town until we get to the people who were like 4th and onwards who are likely scum. 100% accurate
I can't tell whether you're being serious or blowing me off here or both.
If it's the former, I'd like to hear the rationale for that.
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On January 06 2017 10:24 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 10:19 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:16 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:13 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:11 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:10 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:07 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:02 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:01 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 09:53 Calix wrote: [quote]
I'm flagging up this post because I think it's a possible example of an inexperienced scum player struggling to enter the thread. I didn't even notice this dude had posted.
- Using an easy way of entering the thread (via questionnaire thing) to make a post which doesn't tell us anything - Adds a completely useless question about the vote (the 'obligatory' part pings me here) - Does nothing afterwards he was one of the first questionnaire responses though , want to look at all the late answers who thought they had best fill one out so they didnt stick out. It was the first one that stuck out to me as awkward/ forced. However I'm interested in your take on 'blendy' answers. well im not making a ground breaking finding but mafia generally try to blend in and make non commital or mimic posts right so they might have thought answering a list of questions which everyone else was doing is a good idea. probably not relevant here as the questionnaire was hardly insightful and i dont want to start a circle jerk with, well you posted 5th so you are scum. the whole exercise got me some good reads so not entirely pointless and now the the game is moving. Nothing is going to be ground-breaking at this point so that qualifier (from DF too in the post above) is 100% unnecessary. I didn't approach the questionnaires like that. The VCA-style "X voter/ poster is scum" thing is useless as a metric. What "good" reads do you have? yo just calm down alright My emotional state is irrelevant to the question. You claim to have reads, I'm asking for them. What's the point of saying "I have reads" and then be stubborn about sharing them? so what I did is I checked the order in which people responded to the questionnaire and the first ones to respond are clear town until we get to the people who were like 4th and onwards who are likely scum. 100% accurate I can't tell whether you're being serious or blowing me off here or both. If it's the former, I'd like to hear the rationale for that. nah not being serious, you just had no chill so it was fun to mess with you a bit. i thought your first post about michael was pretty good so your pretty towny to me. everyone else is suspect though. especially that kmatt dude
I find shit-posting to be dull but I also suck at kicking the game off. Last game was easier because ExO flipped shit early on.
Why kmatt in particular? I don't think complaining about Onegu's VT claim is productive but I don't think it's AI either.
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On January 06 2017 10:31 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 10:30 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:24 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:19 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:16 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:13 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:11 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:10 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:07 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:02 Calix wrote: [quote]
It was the first one that stuck out to me as awkward/ forced.
However I'm interested in your take on 'blendy' answers. well im not making a ground breaking finding but mafia generally try to blend in and make non commital or mimic posts right so they might have thought answering a list of questions which everyone else was doing is a good idea. probably not relevant here as the questionnaire was hardly insightful and i dont want to start a circle jerk with, well you posted 5th so you are scum. the whole exercise got me some good reads so not entirely pointless and now the the game is moving. Nothing is going to be ground-breaking at this point so that qualifier (from DF too in the post above) is 100% unnecessary. I didn't approach the questionnaires like that. The VCA-style "X voter/ poster is scum" thing is useless as a metric. What "good" reads do you have? yo just calm down alright My emotional state is irrelevant to the question. You claim to have reads, I'm asking for them. What's the point of saying "I have reads" and then be stubborn about sharing them? so what I did is I checked the order in which people responded to the questionnaire and the first ones to respond are clear town until we get to the people who were like 4th and onwards who are likely scum. 100% accurate I can't tell whether you're being serious or blowing me off here or both. If it's the former, I'd like to hear the rationale for that. nah not being serious, you just had no chill so it was fun to mess with you a bit. i thought your first post about michael was pretty good so your pretty towny to me. everyone else is suspect though. especially that kmatt dude I find shit-posting to be dull but I also suck at kicking the game off. Last game was easier because ExO flipped shit early on. Why kmatt in particular? I don't think complaining about Onegu's VT claim is productive but I don't think it's AI either. honestly dont know, just stuck out to me.
Not sure if kmatt specifically is scummy but I think it's curious that there was a bunch of people around near the start but they've all dropped off once the chat became serious and shit. You might be onto something with those people.
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On January 06 2017 10:36 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 10:35 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:31 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:30 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:24 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:19 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:16 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:13 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:11 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:10 Calix wrote: [quote]
Nothing is going to be ground-breaking at this point so that qualifier (from DF too in the post above) is 100% unnecessary.
I didn't approach the questionnaires like that. The VCA-style "X voter/ poster is scum" thing is useless as a metric.
What "good" reads do you have? yo just calm down alright My emotional state is irrelevant to the question. You claim to have reads, I'm asking for them. What's the point of saying "I have reads" and then be stubborn about sharing them? so what I did is I checked the order in which people responded to the questionnaire and the first ones to respond are clear town until we get to the people who were like 4th and onwards who are likely scum. 100% accurate I can't tell whether you're being serious or blowing me off here or both. If it's the former, I'd like to hear the rationale for that. nah not being serious, you just had no chill so it was fun to mess with you a bit. i thought your first post about michael was pretty good so your pretty towny to me. everyone else is suspect though. especially that kmatt dude I find shit-posting to be dull but I also suck at kicking the game off. Last game was easier because ExO flipped shit early on. Why kmatt in particular? I don't think complaining about Onegu's VT claim is productive but I don't think it's AI either. honestly dont know, just stuck out to me. Not sure if kmatt specifically is scummy but I think it's curious that there was a bunch of people around near the start but they've all dropped off once the chat became serious and shit. You might be onto something with those people. Almost definitely not but thanks for the support mate.
Do you always post like this? lol.
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I sense I'll have an aneurysm at this rate.
DF, you seem sensible. What else have you noticed so far?
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I am too tired to bang my head against the wall since it's 2am.
I won't be very active until late afternoon/ evening or so but that doesn't matter. My low-activity play is ten times better than most people's normal play.
Goodnight!
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On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 10:43 Calix wrote: I sense I'll have an aneurysm at this rate.
DF, you seem sensible. What else have you noticed so far? I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off
I've seen people use Random Questioning Stage as a thing on other sites so I'm not sure why people treat that as AI.
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On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote: Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts
This post pings me but I can't really figure out why. Like he posts this 2-4 hours-ish into the game and starts off by apologising for not being around here earlier which is pretty weird for town to do. I can't imagine myself saying sorry for something as a first post kind of deal so I don't get why he would is what I'm getting at.
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I'm liking Vivax's attention to thread detail with his questioning.
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I don't hate DF's attitude to being questioned either.
Vivax is good to keep around because he's actively trying to push the game forward regardless of alignment.
I remember liking one of SW's posts. Forget the number but it was similar to what I was thinking and we had similar moments like that when we were both uninformed factions (although she was Neut in the game I refer to I think this rule applies).
Boston/ ME had terrible entrances which are >rand-wolf FME.
KSC is null. I find him quite hard to read. I'm pretty wary of him because that's probably his personality shining through and I suck at discerning between personality and alignment. He's active but does not post a lot of content also.
I'm also thinking that he's trying to buddy me a bit. I think that because he said "Calix is pretty townie" and that was after I had pushed him a bit for reads and that was his first legit town-lean/ read that he gave so he might be trying to appease me there. Then he later said that ika/ SW/ Calix are his town-leans (and these people were the active ones at the time so might be sidling up to us) so I don't trust him much atm.
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On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:43 Calix wrote: I sense I'll have an aneurysm at this rate.
DF, you seem sensible. What else have you noticed so far? I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted. His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful. Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up.
I don't agree with this assessment. DF's initial read of ika (or whatever you want to call it) doesn't look like it's intended to 'smear' him since he notes it's a fee-fees kind of read. imo smears tend to be more logical so that people are more likely to agree with them.
AFK, work and stuff.
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On January 06 2017 20:20 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 16:11 Calix wrote: I don't hate DF's attitude to being questioned either.
Vivax is good to keep around because he's actively trying to push the game forward regardless of alignment.
I remember liking one of SW's posts. Forget the number but it was similar to what I was thinking and we had similar moments like that when we were both uninformed factions (although she was Neut in the game I refer to I think this rule applies).
Boston/ ME had terrible entrances which are >rand-wolf FME.
I read it through a few times and I don't like darth's attitude , I believe it's mostly his first post which is overly defensive to me. Show nested quote + Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted.
His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful.
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KSC is null. I find him quite hard to read. I'm pretty wary of him because that's probably his personality shining through and I suck at discerning between personality and alignment. He's active but does not post a lot of content also.
I'm also thinking that he's trying to buddy me a bit. I think that because he said "Calix is pretty townie" and that was after I had pushed him a bit for reads and that was his first legit town-lean/ read that he gave so he might be trying to appease me there. Then he later said that ika/ SW/ Calix are his town-leans (and these people were the active ones at the time so might be sidling up to us) so I don't trust him much atm
My town reads are of active people because I associate activity with being town. especially d1 when info is limited. Like say things I generally agree with or I think you believe and be active gets you a d1 pass from me.
A reasonable explanation, although I only agree on the point that active players should get a pass given how slow the game's going right now.
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On January 06 2017 21:29 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 19:56 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
This is true of many people so why is onegu the vote? I guessed that's just his way of doing things, ie judging people by perceived usefulness/compliance. And 1gu really looks like he's doing the least, which sadly isn't alignment indicative. BTDT still has to post but when he does it's usually a lot. There's a townie simplicity to Bostons posts, but that's just a first impression, and of course it's just an early read. Still need a grasp of how much he is actually following the game given he claims to have read and reread it and even took notes. Just voting 1gu doesn't give much info.
I don't like this post.
Why are you answering for Boston? It's a simple question that he can answer by himself. And why explain your answer in enough depth that you even say why Boston might not have picked BTDT? (assuming that's why you brought up BTDT anyway)
I also feel that your read on Boston does the over-explaining thing as well because you bring up all the minor things he has done so far.
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On January 06 2017 22:30 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 15:53 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote: Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This post pings me but I can't really figure out why. Like he posts this 2-4 hours-ish into the game and starts off by apologising for not being around here earlier which is pretty weird for town to do. I can't imagine myself saying sorry for something as a first post kind of deal so I don't get why he would is what I'm getting at. for someone who uses logic, your using a gut read here. it it more just a guess or more of a "well i would not do this" thing?
I'm starting to rely more on intuition after a slew of games where I MLed a townie despite them having a townie tone/ gut feeling telling me it was a bad lynch despite them making no sense as town FMPOV. However it's not a massive part of my play-style because I'm not a very intuitive person.
In this case, I know what bothers me (the apology) but I can't really put it into words. It's like he's not suspicious but he's trying to make himself less suspicious by being meek and apologetic, kinda?
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On January 06 2017 22:42 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:44 Grackaroni wrote:On January 06 2017 09:42 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 09:39 Grackaroni wrote: I'll answer the questions.
1) I'm always town. 2) 5 years 3) no 4) spammy 5) We'll have to find out. 6) Probably Calix. What makes you say that re: #6? We've only been in one game before. We've definitely played more than one because in the last game we got in a shit fight. I usually watch the games that I'm not in and the one scum game I saw you play you didn't seem like you were able to match your town play. can you link me this game?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/513316-newbie-student-mafia-xxiii?user=Calix
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On January 06 2017 22:48 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 22:42 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 22:40 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 22:35 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote: [quote]
I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol
But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude. It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol. It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. Yea scum try to appear useful. This is why I focused on ika compared to someone like Onegu. Ika started the game with this useful looking questionnaire thing that everyone agrees is NAI for everyone-- but it gets people talking! Since that post it's basically been chummy with KSC and SW. I just feel like everything else in this game could've happened without using the questionnaire, which reminds me of the "appearance of utility" meta point. Do you have any opinion of Grack or Calix atm? is that last part directed at me or vivak? cus you reference me in here but im not sure if its a direct at me due to me being here. Nah that's towards Vivax. I posted that at the same time as you did your flurry of recent posts. Speaking of which, what do you make of Vivax so far? null scum the post he made here: Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 13:38 Vivax wrote:I like these questions. Just the first is pointless, insert generic yes. Don't think anything related to them deserves to be alignment indicative, but it's a nice way of getting to know new faces, On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote: are you town? zzz.
how long have you played mafia? 6-7 years, I think?
do you play elsewhere and if so where? Town of Salem when I want a quick casual game where I can execute people in jail.
What is your typical play style? Agreeable and low activity as scum and abrasive, sometimes spammy as town.
how do you scumhunt/townhunt? That doesn't fit in a questionnaire. do you know anyone here that you can read very well? Nah no one in the dead sure category.
is what sticks out to me right now. He goes "oh NAI stuff, let me claim its NAI and answer it" but the bigger thing is what is bolded. The way hes putting it out there (oh jsut punch in yes) feels like a guilty conscious of "well i'm scum who needs to put in generic sounding yes" cus i could of said to mine (or anyone for that matter) "why yes i am town", "lol, ya im town", hell someone could even say "nah im miller" or "im scum you got me" like i've asked that dozens of times and gotten anything from someone claiming to be a citizen (VT) to a jester who needs to be lynched by specific people. do i make sense? I kinda streamlined it
If you're saying that Vivax is demonstrating a guilty conscience by giving an awkward answer to the "are you town" question then I get where you're coming from.
I just don't agree that how people respond to those are AI.
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brb will comment on SW/ ika/ Vivax in a bit.
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I'm starting to relate to those people who always whine about how hard Calix vs NU is to read because I find the ika/ SW/ Vivax thing hard to follow. I'm still not sure I actually understand the full details of the case against Vivax.
The one point that I really relate to is how Vivax deflects questions about his talking-for-people tendency with snark and doesn't answer them. When I asked about why he was answering for Boston he did that and he did it later on with SW. I see no purpose in speaking for other people on simple questions like "why did you vote for Onegu" and reads like busywork. I want an explanation for that because that's scummy as hell and he didn't counter that point off-the-cuff.
+ Show Spoiler [Evidence and shit] +On January 06 2017 23:31 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:26 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 21:29 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 19:56 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
This is true of many people so why is onegu the vote? I guessed that's just his way of doing things, ie judging people by perceived usefulness/compliance. And 1gu really looks like he's doing the least, which sadly isn't alignment indicative. BTDT still has to post but when he does it's usually a lot. There's a townie simplicity to Bostons posts, but that's just a first impression, and of course it's just an early read. Still need a grasp of how much he is actually following the game given he claims to have read and reread it and even took notes. Just voting 1gu doesn't give much info. I don't like this post. Why are you answering for Boston? It's a simple question that he can answer by himself. And why explain your answer in enough depth that you even say why Boston might not have picked BTDT? (assuming that's why you brought up BTDT anyway) I also feel that your read on Boston does the over-explaining thing as well because you bring up all the minor things he has done so far. Yes I gave a read on a player while Kelsier was around to talk about him. Such scum. On January 06 2017 23:25 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:18 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote: [quote]
I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted. His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful. Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. WTF? Why is ika hard town to you? And don't say he's not cuz no way would you defend him like this unless you are town who believes he's town or scum trying to get towncred if he's town. There's always a chance you are scumbuddies too with this attitude. So why are you townreading him? Let me adopt your logic for a moment: "Why are you scumreading Ika, silverwolf. Where did you scumread Ika huh?" By your logic, right now you would be scumreading Ika cause you are attacking my townread on him. But that's wrong! I can perfectly question someone's means of reading someone without having a read on that someone. Questioning the method is not the same as questioning the outcome.
I didn't get the impression that Vivax made his posts against DF with the intent to defend ika so making guesses about ika's alignment from Vivax's behaviour is questionable imo. However I think that SW makes good observations about the discrepancy between Vivax's read on ika (or lack of it) and what he says regarding him. I feel like if you interact or talk about a player a lot, you should have a good reason if you end up with a null/ no read on them.
I liked ika's reactions to Vivax a lot.
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On January 06 2017 23:26 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 21:29 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 19:56 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
This is true of many people so why is onegu the vote? I guessed that's just his way of doing things, ie judging people by perceived usefulness/compliance. And 1gu really looks like he's doing the least, which sadly isn't alignment indicative. BTDT still has to post but when he does it's usually a lot. There's a townie simplicity to Bostons posts, but that's just a first impression, and of course it's just an early read. Still need a grasp of how much he is actually following the game given he claims to have read and reread it and even took notes. Just voting 1gu doesn't give much info. I don't like this post. Why are you answering for Boston? It's a simple question that he can answer by himself. And why explain your answer in enough depth that you even say why Boston might not have picked BTDT? (assuming that's why you brought up BTDT anyway) I also feel that your read on Boston does the over-explaining thing as well because you bring up all the minor things he has done so far.
I asked why you were answering for Boston here wrt the first part of your post (where you gave an explanation for why he might have voted for Onegu).
On January 06 2017 23:31 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:26 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 21:29 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 19:56 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
This is true of many people so why is onegu the vote? I guessed that's just his way of doing things, ie judging people by perceived usefulness/compliance. And 1gu really looks like he's doing the least, which sadly isn't alignment indicative. BTDT still has to post but when he does it's usually a lot. There's a townie simplicity to Bostons posts, but that's just a first impression, and of course it's just an early read. Still need a grasp of how much he is actually following the game given he claims to have read and reread it and even took notes. Just voting 1gu doesn't give much info. I don't like this post. Why are you answering for Boston? It's a simple question that he can answer by himself. And why explain your answer in enough depth that you even say why Boston might not have picked BTDT? (assuming that's why you brought up BTDT anyway) I also feel that your read on Boston does the over-explaining thing as well because you bring up all the minor things he has done so far. Yes I gave a read on a player while Kelsier was around to talk about him. Such scum.
You respond with snark here.
So I don't understand your response.
Your last paragraph is a mischaracterisation. Nobody has argued that you can't give reads using your initiative. That's not the argument being made here and I'd like to know where you got the idea that it was from. To the best of my understanding, it's the way that you're "giving reads" (as you put it) re: Boston/ ika that SW is questioning you about.
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On January 07 2017 01:48 Vivax wrote: So far you and Ika both asked such loaded questions that already imply I did something I did not. Obviously you're not going to get a nice answer to "Do you always beat your wife" type of questions.
Your point?
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On January 07 2017 01:54 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 01:52 Calix wrote:On January 07 2017 01:48 Vivax wrote: So far you and Ika both asked such loaded questions that already imply I did something I did not. Obviously you're not going to get a nice answer to "Do you always beat your wife" type of questions. Your point? If you ask shitty questions you get shitty answers
If you think playing 20 questions sucks then I'll let you do something else.
I'd rather take a nap or something than have a lengthy discussion tbh lol.
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On January 07 2017 04:38 Kmatt wrote:reps)squishyMade one relevant post and bailed. It's too early to call anyone hard scum on that, but if he doesn't show up soon I'll consider him on the radar. MichaelEhrmantrautWell he's not dead but not very alive either. I took forever making this myself so I can't be too rustled over the afk. Just another one passing by, null for now. ika42While the questionnaire is still NAI to me, the back and forth with Vivax looked good to me. An easy trap for mafia to fall into is to take any townread they can get. I'll go town here gesoSilverwolf77I can see why you don't like Vivax's posts, but I don't agree with you enough to vote on him as is. I do like the way you prodded here. Like Vivax said earlier, this looks more like two town bumping into each other. B0stonSCI don't like it. I wouldn't be half as bothered if he hadn't come back in to post this And then leave again doing nothing. The hasty vote looks to me like he's trying to appear useful without having done anything. If I had to commit to a vote now this guy is the perfect balance of afk and dubious, if not scummy. beentheredonethatpls GrackaroniStill waiting on more. Like with SW, I don't scumread this guy enough to vote him, but I can see why Kelsier wouldn't like him. A bit too quick to jump the gun but I've done that myself and everyone plays D1 differently. If you could weigh in on the situation at hand I'd feel better. Leaning scum but not enough to vote while Boston is here. KelsierSCTown enough for me. No one post stands out enough but he hasn't caught my ire. Except that part about doubting me hOW daRe You OneguAFK. Not much more to say here, with the vote being so far off. Too early to call scum. darthfoleyHis posts are decent, but I'd like a read or two this far in. He's clearly kept up with the thread, pointed out posts he did and didn't like, but no conclusions. If you had to place your vote in the next 5 minutes, who would it be? Or who would you call against voting on? CalixNothing groundbreaking either but with how slow the game is I can't fault it too hard. Basically the same as Foley. VivaxI don't like any of his posts individually but is among the only people being active and pushing. As I said above, town arguing with town. So to conclude... not a lot. We had one little argument but nothing major came of it. Plenty of time before the vote so hopefully someone says something silly and gets a wagon going [small][small][small][small]other than me[small][small][small][small].
Your reads don't seem consistent to me and I'd like for you to clarify a few points. Your responses to the different AFK players doesn't make any sense to me as they stand.
1. I am confused as to why ME is null but reps is a potential scum-lean if he keeps AFKing - what are the differences between the two of them in your eyes that means that ME does not get this scum-lean qualifier? Why is Boston "trying to look useful without contributing" but the other AFKers aren't?
2. Why do you scum-lean Grack...if you do? Since you said he's not a stand-out, which you also said about KSC/ DF/ myself, but you have a different read, this is important.
3. Leading on from 2, why is KSC a town-lean despite not having any stand-out posts yet DF/ myself are null (?) for basically the same reasons?
4. Do you consider activity to be alignment-indicative?
5. Not a question but your excessive use of the qualifier "too early to call them scum/ hard-scum" is unnecessary and looks like hedging.
6. Have you tried pushing your own reads? Why does someone have to 'say something silly' first before you do anything? Your lack of initiative shows, something that's apparent given that your main contribution is a static reads list (this isn't a scum tell, just that posting a reads list is the least-interactive way of playing the game).
Whoops, this was more than a "few" but tl;dr: your reads look like a patchwork of confusing/ contradictory ideas that you really need to expand on.
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On January 07 2017 05:11 darthfoley wrote: Calix do you have experience with Kelsier and/or do you have a read on him currently?
No and not really aside from what I pointed out earlier re: town reads which we've discussed. Waiting to see what he does next.
While I'm here, why do you differentiate between noobs and vets in your posts? That's popping up a fair bit in your posts.
Your point on Boston isn't terrible.
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On January 07 2017 05:30 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 05:17 Calix wrote:On January 07 2017 05:11 darthfoley wrote: Calix do you have experience with Kelsier and/or do you have a read on him currently? No and not really aside from what I pointed out earlier re: town reads which we've discussed. Waiting to see what he does next. While I'm here, why do you differentiate between noobs and vets in your posts? That's popping up a fair bit in your posts. Your point on Boston isn't terrible. Because I have a experience with Grack, btdt and Onegu so their posts should orient the game in my mind better. Why thank you!
I see, I see.
What did you get out of kmatt's post in terms of how you read him? There's definitely a lot to discuss there :D
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On January 07 2017 05:39 Kmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 04:57 Calix wrote:On January 07 2017 04:38 Kmatt wrote:reps)squishyMade one relevant post and bailed. It's too early to call anyone hard scum on that, but if he doesn't show up soon I'll consider him on the radar. MichaelEhrmantrautWell he's not dead but not very alive either. I took forever making this myself so I can't be too rustled over the afk. Just another one passing by, null for now. ika42While the questionnaire is still NAI to me, the back and forth with Vivax looked good to me. An easy trap for mafia to fall into is to take any townread they can get. I'll go town here gesoSilverwolf77I can see why you don't like Vivax's posts, but I don't agree with you enough to vote on him as is. I do like the way you prodded here. Like Vivax said earlier, this looks more like two town bumping into each other. B0stonSCI don't like it. I wouldn't be half as bothered if he hadn't come back in to post this On January 06 2017 15:32 B0stonSC wrote: The hell is a zj? And then leave again doing nothing. The hasty vote looks to me like he's trying to appear useful without having done anything. If I had to commit to a vote now this guy is the perfect balance of afk and dubious, if not scummy. beentheredonethatpls GrackaroniStill waiting on more. Like with SW, I don't scumread this guy enough to vote him, but I can see why Kelsier wouldn't like him. A bit too quick to jump the gun but I've done that myself and everyone plays D1 differently. If you could weigh in on the situation at hand I'd feel better. Leaning scum but not enough to vote while Boston is here. KelsierSCTown enough for me. No one post stands out enough but he hasn't caught my ire. Except that part about doubting me hOW daRe You OneguAFK. Not much more to say here, with the vote being so far off. Too early to call scum. darthfoleyHis posts are decent, but I'd like a read or two this far in. He's clearly kept up with the thread, pointed out posts he did and didn't like, but no conclusions. If you had to place your vote in the next 5 minutes, who would it be? Or who would you call against voting on? CalixNothing groundbreaking either but with how slow the game is I can't fault it too hard. Basically the same as Foley. VivaxI don't like any of his posts individually but is among the only people being active and pushing. As I said above, town arguing with town. So to conclude... not a lot. We had one little argument but nothing major came of it. Plenty of time before the vote so hopefully someone says something silly and gets a wagon going [small][small][small][small]other than me[small][small][small][small]. Your reads don't seem consistent to me and I'd like for you to clarify a few points. Your responses to the different AFK players doesn't make any sense to me as they stand. 1. I am confused as to why ME is null but reps is a potential scum-lean if he keeps AFKing - what are the differences between the two of them in your eyes that means that ME does not get this scum-lean qualifier? Why is Boston "trying to look useful without contributing" but the other AFKers aren't? 2. Why do you scum-lean Grack...if you do? Since you said he's not a stand-out, which you also said about KSC/ DF/ myself, but you have a different read, this is important. 3. Leading on from 2, why is KSC a town-lean despite not having any stand-out posts yet DF/ myself are null (?) for basically the same reasons? 4. Do you consider activity to be alignment-indicative? 5. Not a question but your excessive use of the qualifier "too early to call them scum/ hard-scum" is unnecessary and looks like hedging. 6. Have you tried pushing your own reads? Why does someone have to 'say something silly' first before you do anything? Your lack of initiative shows, something that's apparent given that your main contribution is a static reads list (this isn't a scum tell, just that posting a reads list is the least-interactive way of playing the game). Whoops, this was more than a "few" but tl;dr: your reads look like a patchwork of confusing/ contradictory ideas that you really need to expand on. To preface, the majority of these are gut reads. I probably should have said that first. With how little context I applied to those posts I thought that was assumed. 1) ME came back and at least acknowledged the situation at hand. Still not town but he's at least in the thread, which is more than can be said for a few people. What stuck out with Boston is dropping his vote right away and insisting Grack is scum. If he used that as pressure or a segway into questioning Grack's posts I could get but as soon as he makes that call it's radio silence. Then a little shitpost to remind us how despite not doing anything practical he's still watching the thread. 2) I don't personally scumread Grack, but I can see why Kelsier does. However, were it me in his position (that is to say, scumreading Grack for the same reasons) it wouldn't be a strong enough read to conclude anything. I don't, however, expect Kelsier to play out the game as I would, and I'm aware that people have different D1 strategies, so I'm willing to leave it at that. 3) KSC is more of a gut read. There aren't any major lines of questioning or conclusion I can point to to say "this is why he's town" but the acceptable amount of activity agrees with my gut enough to work with. Specifically that he has a scumread and isn't afraid to show it. You and DF both respond to people's posts, but you never seem to come out with anything other than that you "like" or "dislike" a specific post. I can understand reserving judgement on some people but you can't stay neutral on everyone in the game for much longer. 4) In this case, yes I do. 5) Deal w/ it. One scumread is good enough for me D1, since I only have one vote to use. No point making excess calls. 6) I could push my own reads but between my scumreads being mainly afk and the town quieting down I don't have much to ask. It's not that I won't act unless someone "says something silly", but from nearly every game I've played/watched, the D1 lynch comes down to someone saying something dumb and getting ML'd for it. So far I've either been the one who shoots themselves in the foot or points out the bloody foot. Crazy as it may sound I'm going to avoid actively creating or becoming a mislynch if I can help it. Yeah my initiative has been weak but like I said above I've not a lot to ask right now. I did try to fish some reads out of DF which kind of worked.
That depends on the player re: judging whether reads are gut calls or not.
1. So active-lurking? I kinda like the way you worded your Boston read with the "if he used that as pressure" part because it shows you're thinking about scenarios in some level of depth.
2. Why did you bring in KSC's opinion of Grack in your read? This would make sense if you were town-reading KSC a lot and going "well I think he's being genuine with his Grack read" or something but you're gut-reading KSC as town so that's not applicable.
3. To clarify, when I say I like/ dislike something, that's synonymous with a town/ scum lean.
4. Noted.
5. I wasn't aware that you were the type to just focus on one scum-read at a time. I remember your last game where you were hunting for three players in a 2-mafia save - what changed with regards to your mentality?
6. You don't have to ask stuff unless you want to clarify matters, just state your reads and let the people respond to them. Much better approach than grilling every single player.
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On January 07 2017 05:56 Kmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 05:50 Calix wrote: That depends on the player re: judging whether reads are gut calls or not.
1. So active-lurking? I kinda like the way you worded your Boston read with the "if he used that as pressure" part because it shows you're thinking about scenarios in some level of depth.
2. Why did you bring in KSC's opinion of Grack in your read? This would make sense if you were town-reading KSC a lot and going "well I think he's being genuine with his Grack read" or something but you're gut-reading KSC as town so that's not applicable.
3. To clarify, when I say I like/ dislike something, that's synonymous with a town/ scum lean.
4. Noted.
5. I wasn't aware that you were the type to just focus on one scum-read at a time. I remember your last game where you were hunting for three players in a 2-mafia save - what changed with regards to your mentality?
6. You don't have to ask stuff unless you want to clarify matters, just state your reads and let the people respond to them. Much better approach than grilling every single player. I have to do something but to answer 5: that was a combination of misreading the OP and having 3 potential scum at the time. I'm not bound to force more reads than I see. Right now I only see one and various degrees of ambiguity. If I had multiple deliberate scumreads I would announce it as well as whichever one is a higher priority.
When you say stuff like this, it makes me wonder if I'm even talking to the same person as last game. Pretty annoying since I now can't compare your play with previous games with much confidence.
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On January 07 2017 06:03 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 05:39 Kmatt wrote:On January 07 2017 04:57 Calix wrote:On January 07 2017 04:38 Kmatt wrote:reps)squishyMade one relevant post and bailed. It's too early to call anyone hard scum on that, but if he doesn't show up soon I'll consider him on the radar. MichaelEhrmantrautWell he's not dead but not very alive either. I took forever making this myself so I can't be too rustled over the afk. Just another one passing by, null for now. ika42While the questionnaire is still NAI to me, the back and forth with Vivax looked good to me. An easy trap for mafia to fall into is to take any townread they can get. I'll go town here gesoSilverwolf77I can see why you don't like Vivax's posts, but I don't agree with you enough to vote on him as is. I do like the way you prodded here. Like Vivax said earlier, this looks more like two town bumping into each other. B0stonSCI don't like it. I wouldn't be half as bothered if he hadn't come back in to post this On January 06 2017 15:32 B0stonSC wrote: The hell is a zj? And then leave again doing nothing. The hasty vote looks to me like he's trying to appear useful without having done anything. If I had to commit to a vote now this guy is the perfect balance of afk and dubious, if not scummy. beentheredonethatpls GrackaroniStill waiting on more. Like with SW, I don't scumread this guy enough to vote him, but I can see why Kelsier wouldn't like him. A bit too quick to jump the gun but I've done that myself and everyone plays D1 differently. If you could weigh in on the situation at hand I'd feel better. Leaning scum but not enough to vote while Boston is here. KelsierSCTown enough for me. No one post stands out enough but he hasn't caught my ire. Except that part about doubting me hOW daRe You OneguAFK. Not much more to say here, with the vote being so far off. Too early to call scum. darthfoleyHis posts are decent, but I'd like a read or two this far in. He's clearly kept up with the thread, pointed out posts he did and didn't like, but no conclusions. If you had to place your vote in the next 5 minutes, who would it be? Or who would you call against voting on? CalixNothing groundbreaking either but with how slow the game is I can't fault it too hard. Basically the same as Foley. VivaxI don't like any of his posts individually but is among the only people being active and pushing. As I said above, town arguing with town. So to conclude... not a lot. We had one little argument but nothing major came of it. Plenty of time before the vote so hopefully someone says something silly and gets a wagon going [small][small][small][small]other than me[small][small][small][small]. Your reads don't seem consistent to me and I'd like for you to clarify a few points. Your responses to the different AFK players doesn't make any sense to me as they stand. 1. I am confused as to why ME is null but reps is a potential scum-lean if he keeps AFKing - what are the differences between the two of them in your eyes that means that ME does not get this scum-lean qualifier? Why is Boston "trying to look useful without contributing" but the other AFKers aren't? 2. Why do you scum-lean Grack...if you do? Since you said he's not a stand-out, which you also said about KSC/ DF/ myself, but you have a different read, this is important. 3. Leading on from 2, why is KSC a town-lean despite not having any stand-out posts yet DF/ myself are null (?) for basically the same reasons? 4. Do you consider activity to be alignment-indicative? 5. Not a question but your excessive use of the qualifier "too early to call them scum/ hard-scum" is unnecessary and looks like hedging. 6. Have you tried pushing your own reads? Why does someone have to 'say something silly' first before you do anything? Your lack of initiative shows, something that's apparent given that your main contribution is a static reads list (this isn't a scum tell, just that posting a reads list is the least-interactive way of playing the game). Whoops, this was more than a "few" but tl;dr: your reads look like a patchwork of confusing/ contradictory ideas that you really need to expand on. To preface, the majority of these are gut reads. I probably should have said that first. With how little context I applied to those posts I thought that was assumed. 1) ME came back and at least acknowledged the situation at hand. Still not town but he's at least in the thread, which is more than can be said for a few people. What stuck out with Boston is dropping his vote right away and insisting Grack is scum. If he used that as pressure or a segway into questioning Grack's posts I could get but as soon as he makes that call it's radio silence. Then a little shitpost to remind us how despite not doing anything practical he's still watching the thread. 2) I don't personally scumread Grack, but I can see why Kelsier does. However, were it me in his position (that is to say, scumreading Grack for the same reasons) it wouldn't be a strong enough read to conclude anything. I don't, however, expect Kelsier to play out the game as I would, and I'm aware that people have different D1 strategies, so I'm willing to leave it at that. 3) KSC is more of a gut read. There aren't any major lines of questioning or conclusion I can point to to say "this is why he's town" but the acceptable amount of activity agrees with my gut enough to work with. Specifically that he has a scumread and isn't afraid to show it. You and DF both respond to people's posts, but you never seem to come out with anything other than that you "like" or "dislike" a specific post. I can understand reserving judgement on some people but you can't stay neutral on everyone in the game for much longer. 4) In this case, yes I do. 5) Deal w/ it. One scumread is good enough for me D1, since I only have one vote to use. No point making excess calls. 6) I could push my own reads but between my scumreads being mainly afk and the town quieting down I don't have much to ask. It's not that I won't act unless someone "says something silly", but from nearly every game I've played/watched, the D1 lynch comes down to someone saying something dumb and getting ML'd for it. So far I've either been the one who shoots themselves in the foot or points out the bloody foot. Crazy as it may sound I'm going to avoid actively creating or becoming a mislynch if I can help it. Yeah my initiative has been weak but like I said above I've not a lot to ask right now. I did try to fish some reads out of DF which kind of worked. I read through B0ston's filter and it makes no mention of Grack. Typo or have I missed something obvious?
I just checked and realised you're right. Derp.
Possible that he meant KSC with that Grack vote but I wouldn't characterise KSC's reactions to Grack as "insistence" and he talks about KSC in the same post.
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Given the new content he provided, I decided to read kmatt's posts because he's pretty hard to read and he keeps pinging me because his posts are obviously polished (which isn't AI in this context but I have to keep telling myself that because it bugs me every time he posts) and well different from his other games. His reads in his list were also confusing and weren't transparent at all. But even with that in mind, I think he fared well when he came out of his shell a bit and started interacting more since he seemed to be posting more off-the-cuff/ naturally compared to posting a list and popping off again.
Wait, just realised. So he has that reads list. Why would he say "I'm focusing on one (scum) read, no point making excess calls" or whatever in the same breath that he makes reads on everyone when he could have been doing the focusing on that scum-read? That doesn't mesh together.
But then he also agrees with me that Boston is scummy so I'm not so sure. But he got two of his reads mixed up (I think) so I'm not sure if he means Boston or if he's just not paying attention there. Man he is a mess.
So he's back at null, not because he's done nothing AI but because I don't know whether the scum aspects outweigh the potential town motivations.
SW, what's your take on him? (also goes to anyone else popping in)
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Boston is just in his own little world, detached from the thread and floating by without a single fuck given for all the other stuff going on. His entrance was terrible and his follow-up just reinforces my read. He is too hung up on a player who hasn't DONE anything and is relatively inactive with no reason given and doesn't talk about anything else. Furthermore, he's not actually following through on his Onegu read or vote with anything substantial or trying to convince people or caring much. He's just there.
If we're going for someone low-activity then this is the most likely to hit scum atm.
##vote B0stonSC
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On January 07 2017 07:32 B0stonSC wrote: Okay, so after catching up, I have a few things to respond on.
First, as to why I am not more active, is that I have not a whole lot of time to play mafia during the week, so what I am doing is catching up, responding to everything I feel needs a response, giving my reads, then getting back off. You may flame me for this, but unless it's the weekend this will be how I play. I do have a life you know, but mafia is a lot of fun (which is why I wanted to play it).
As to why I voted Onegu (asked three times, by my count), he has made a claim (with the first post of the game) and then posted a non informative post. That's all he has done. I wanted to see what happens if he gets a bit of pressure on him, but after this amount of time I feel that he is just inactive.
On to my reads, Kmatt feels very much a scummy player to me becuase he is posting quite a bit now, but it doesn't feel like he is accomplishing anything. DarthFoley seems waaaay too defensive, so that seems odd, but I'll keep looking at him so I can get a more solid read. Vivax and MichaelEhrmantraut seem a bit off. Nothing suspicious, but just a bit not quite correct to me. This is more of a gut read than anything else, so I'll be doing a reread (probably today) for just them to see what's up.
Good timing.
I am dubious of you calling the Onegu vote a pressure vote since you didn't give him anything to respond to nor did you try to convince other people about it.
Assuming you're being truthful, are you considering switching your vote or are you wanting to continue this 'pressure' and why?
I'll await the better reads then. You get points for not rambling on about a bunch of town reads - newb!scum would be more likely to TMI there or just scum-read their partners.
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I don't give a fuck about how many times someone posts or if they're inactive. It's what you said and did when you weren't inactive that's scummy.
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On January 07 2017 07:40 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 07:17 Calix wrote: Given the new content he provided, I decided to read kmatt's posts because he's pretty hard to read and he keeps pinging me because his posts are obviously polished (which isn't AI in this context but I have to keep telling myself that because it bugs me every time he posts) and well different from his other games. His reads in his list were also confusing and weren't transparent at all. But even with that in mind, I think he fared well when he came out of his shell a bit and started interacting more since he seemed to be posting more off-the-cuff/ naturally compared to posting a list and popping off again.
Wait, just realised. So he has that reads list. Why would he say "I'm focusing on one (scum) read, no point making excess calls" or whatever in the same breath that he makes reads on everyone when he could have been doing the focusing on that scum-read? That doesn't mesh together.
But then he also agrees with me that Boston is scummy so I'm not so sure. But he got two of his reads mixed up (I think) so I'm not sure if he means Boston or if he's just not paying attention there. Man he is a mess.
So he's back at null, not because he's done nothing AI but because I don't know whether the scum aspects outweigh the potential town motivations.
SW, what's your take on him? (also goes to anyone else popping in) I don't know anything about how he usually plays but I do like his follow up answers to your questioning about his reads. He did a good job of explaining them and his thought process seems transparent enough. I would lean town on him. I also like darthfoley's latest posts and re-reading him I would lean town as well. This is more tone and gut. Still have ika, Calix, KelsierSC as town as well for previous stated reasons. Vivax I explained what I don't like. I also don't care for B0stonSC but that's because he is not answering any questions, just posting filler type posts and then leaves, doing nothing to advance the gamestate or scumhunt. ME-same thing. He pops in, gives the minimal answers to ika's questions, then complains things are too confusing and leaves. I consider them both nervous and unsure about themselves and scummier than the other null people as a result. reps, grack, btdt, Onegu are all null and I'd like them to post more
I don't have a lot of strong reads because I only really started to filter-dive now but this is where I'm at:
Town-lean: SW, DF, ika Null: BTDT (hasn't posted), kmatt (see previous posts), Onegu (done nothing AI) Need to read: Grack (don't remember anything he's posted), reps (I remember thinking that he's one of the least-worst newbs), KSC (need to reread/ evaluate) Scum-lean: Vivax (poor reactions to SW/ ika/ Vivax debacle + discrepancy with reads vs actions around them), Boston (bad entrance + detached from thread + Onegu vote), ME (bad entrance, then popped in later to do nothing. Not as sure here though)
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Where does DF say that he doesn't like ika making troll posts? I found him saying "ika's play is more trolly than I prefer" which isn't the same thing.
I don't consider troll openings to be AI on this site, sadly, so I'm not sure I follow on your first point. Is it the exclamation marks that rub you the wrong way or something?
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On January 07 2017 08:26 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 07:28 Calix wrote: Boston is just in his own little world, detached from the thread and floating by without a single fuck given for all the other stuff going on. His entrance was terrible and his follow-up just reinforces my read. He is too hung up on a player who hasn't DONE anything and is relatively inactive with no reason given and doesn't talk about anything else. Furthermore, he's not actually following through on his Onegu read or vote with anything substantial or trying to convince people or caring much. He's just there.
If we're going for someone low-activity then this is the most likely to hit scum atm.
##vote B0stonSC I thought you agreed with my point that B0ston's entrance, albeit awkward, was more likely to come from town!newb than scum!newb? I don't understand why this post is super uber aggressive when nothing really had changed. I know you said you're waiting on his reads but I disagree with your conclusion that he's most likely scum out of the low activity posters. Why not make the same argument against Onegu, for example?
I did but that reasoning isn't strong enough to excuse the rest of my case.
I read Boston's filter just before making that post and realised how awful it is.
Onegu has not done anything AI at all. Claiming a role at the start of the game means nothing.
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On January 07 2017 08:31 darthfoley wrote: @Calix Like do you really expect every player who goes AFK for a period of time to provide a reason why? If so, I can wait for the impending doom for btdt and Onegu lol
I don't know what you're referring to here since I explicitly said that I didn't care about AFKing on its own.
Who exactly do you want lynched if not Boston or what have you?
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On January 07 2017 08:48 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 08:36 Calix wrote:On January 07 2017 08:31 darthfoley wrote: @Calix Like do you really expect every player who goes AFK for a period of time to provide a reason why? If so, I can wait for the impending doom for btdt and Onegu lol I don't know what you're referring to here since I explicitly said that I didn't care about AFKing on its own. Who exactly do you want lynched if not Boston or what have you? Well I think ME has done everything you're accusing B0ston of, but worse. I like reps' questions but I dont remember him having any concrete reads yet, which concerns me. I'm also waiting for Onegu/Kelsier/btdt to catch up and/post anything. I don't know why people are town reading Kelsier, he's a scum read for me at the moment
Yeah and I have a scum-lean on ME although I don't get how he can do worse when he just exists. Actually read my posts so I don't have to repeat myself. I'm tired.
Oh? For what reason?
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Before I say anything else, can I just make one thing clear?
Being proud that you're a stubborn arsehole ISN'T A GOOD THING. It just leads to these retarded arguments that we have to slog through.
This is coming from me here.
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On January 07 2017 15:33 SilverWolf77 wrote: @Calix-Last game you played with Grack was it similar to this and what was his alignment then?
I've only ever seen him as town.
Last game we played, he seemed more engaged with the thread events than he is here and had better points against his scum-reads (e.g., Koshi). However that game wasn't over the holiday period and I got into a shit-fight with him so I would have to reread.
Then there was a game before that but I don't recall a lot about his play aside from his attempts to lynch HF as a counter-wagon to TT (D1 ML).
I don't think him being stubborn is AI in this case if that's what you're asking. I think the way he's being stubborn this game is more overt than what I've seen because other than the argument we had in CM (which was mostly me accusing him, not the other way around), I don't recall him dragging out an issue to epic proportions.
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It is insane how much spam there is to wade through despite the general inactivity.
That argument was a massive time-waster and Grack did a great job with derailing the conversation and dragging out an irrelevant topic into a bigger thing than it should have been. Given that he didn't actually defend Vivax properly or do anything other than bicker with ika about "burden of proof" or what the fuck ever, this looks more like scumplay than a townie being a shitter.
All of that could have been saved with a conclusive "Vivax is town because this post shows XYZ town motivations" and done, but instead we had like five pages dedicated to this. Not gonna lie, I started skimming midway through and don't think I missed any new information re: Grack, ika, SW.
However I don't think that Grack/ Vivax are a scum team because it doesn't make sense for scum!Grack to be so stubborn about explaining his town-read on his team mate and do it so poorly (since it would convince nobody to switch off Vivax). I still think that the points against Vivax hold strong but Grack's defense (which doesn't actually do a good job at defending Vivax) is giving me cold feet.
I'm currently thinking that there's a scummer among those two so I'll be rereading Vivax before EOD.
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Also noticed that this dude was posting at the same time.
On January 07 2017 13:08 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 13:04 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:47 Onegu wrote: She is town because she was the first to call Boston out. And then the back and forth with Vivax doesnt come from scum. Never Never Never. More so in a newbie game as someone who never played with most of the people in this game. Let me just point out that this does not satisfy the requirements set forth, that you have now failed to meet the burden of proof, and you are dodging the question entirely. Grack are you trying to cause conflict deliberately. This looks like a scum thing to do because it causes disorder and chaos. Instead of trying to get leads it devolves into a huge argument over burden of proof. I argue to any townie please do not fall into this trap.
Townpile.
I like his posting, especially against Grack. Not necessarily in the sense that I 100% agree with him (although in this incident, I do agree that Grack's behaviour is chaos-causing). It's more because he's trying to engage with the thread events instead of avoiding them and the way he gives his reads is straightforward and clear. You get a good idea of how he operates when it comes to scum-hunting.
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On January 07 2017 14:02 Grackaroni wrote: Calix is going to laugh when she sees this. Then she's going to be all smug.
Calix was right about something? Shocking.
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On January 07 2017 10:09 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 10:02 ika42 wrote: so now that im caught up heres my read list that i have compiled
1) reps)squishy - sligth town 2) Kmatt - slight town 3) MichaelEhrmantraut - lean scum 4) ika42 -town 5) SilverWolf77 - town 6) B0stonSC - -null
Vets 1) beentheredonethat - null 2) Grackaroni- null 3) KelsierSC - scum 4) Onegu - claims VT 5) darthfoley - town lean 6) Calix -null 7) Vivax - scum lean
i have way too many nulls for my liking overall. updated after running iso on the newbs im gonna get food bbl
Why is Boston a null to you?
Speaking more generally to you and DF, what's the rationale behind voting for KSC? I found DF's post to be interesting as an observation but I wouldn't vote for KSC based on that. Meanwhile I'm not seeing why you think KSC is scum or much talk about him from you. You call out Grack for not trying to convince people to lynch his scum-reads but you're being unclear with your KSC scum-read also.
I think KSC's wagon is the most pure atm so pls explain where you're coming from in more detail.
On January 07 2017 10:59 Grackaroni wrote: Ika please prove to me that you are not scum.
As for the Grack thing, this was the initial response. Another example of snarky responses to reasonable questions. I fail to see town motivation for being stubborn for the sake of it when it comes to explaining a town-read that nobody agrees with. He later claims that he thinks the entire thing is stupid but given that he helped fuel the argument into a 5-page fiasco, that reasoning looks fake to me. People who think things are stupid don't continue to focus on the stupid thing when they could spend their time better on something more productive or just leave the thread.
On January 07 2017 11:21 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 11:19 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:05 Grackaroni wrote: Which of your posts are townie? Can you tell me why they are townie? Love the avoiding of my question and instead deflect it back to me. It goes straight to the heart of the question. If you cannot quote some posts to prove yourself town to me then surely I cannot do so to convince you that Vivax is town I've already given an answer that I find satisfactory. I like the effort he's putting into the game. I like the angles that he's pushing. I like his attitude and response to being pressured.
Grack's later argument here, which I am inferring to be that explaining town-reads is pointless because it won't convince people, would be fine taken by itself. However when I look at his filter, it doesn't fit. Firstly, his filter has a load of town-reads in it and few scum-reads (and the two scum-reads he has suck because they don't show actual scum motivation). If he doesn't think that explaining town-reads will convince people then why would he spend so much time posting about them?
Secondly, what's the point of saying "I'll explain my read once you've explained your town-read on SW" when he doesn't think that he can convince people of his read anyway and doesn't scum-read SW? Poor priorities at best, busywork at worst. Given everything else, I don't think he really believes what he's posting here.
Thirdly, his filter is a lot worse than I thought it was going to be. Most of it is devoted to the argument and his posts before that were weak town-reads and off-topic posts which don't do anything. I would vote for him over Vivax since Vivax was at least pushing the game forward when he was here while Grack hasn't.
As for Boston, my reads here still apply so I'd like people to talk about him more before he comes back as the Grack argument sucked the air out of the room in terms of discussion focus.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 15:53 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote: Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This post pings me but I can't really figure out why. Like he posts this 2-4 hours-ish into the game and starts off by apologising for not being around here earlier which is pretty weird for town to do. I can't imagine myself saying sorry for something as a first post kind of deal so I don't get why he would is what I'm getting at. On January 07 2017 07:28 Calix wrote: Boston is just in his own little world, detached from the thread and floating by without a single fuck given for all the other stuff going on. His entrance was terrible and his follow-up just reinforces my read. He is too hung up on a player who hasn't DONE anything and is relatively inactive with no reason given and doesn't talk about anything else. Furthermore, he's not actually following through on his Onegu read or vote with anything substantial or trying to convince people or caring much. He's just there.
If we're going for someone low-activity then this is the most likely to hit scum atm.
##vote B0stonSC
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I am way too lazy to read the OP. Good thing that DF is here to regurgitate stuff from it and save me the bother.
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On January 08 2017 02:08 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 21:58 Calix wrote:On January 07 2017 10:09 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 10:02 ika42 wrote: so now that im caught up heres my read list that i have compiled
1) reps)squishy - sligth town 2) Kmatt - slight town 3) MichaelEhrmantraut - lean scum 4) ika42 -town 5) SilverWolf77 - town 6) B0stonSC - -null
Vets 1) beentheredonethat - null 2) Grackaroni- null 3) KelsierSC - scum 4) Onegu - claims VT 5) darthfoley - town lean 6) Calix -null 7) Vivax - scum lean
i have way too many nulls for my liking overall. updated after running iso on the newbs im gonna get food bbl Why is Boston a null to you? Speaking more generally to you and DF, what's the rationale behind voting for KSC? I found DF's post to be interesting as an observation but I wouldn't vote for KSC based on that. Meanwhile I'm not seeing why you think KSC is scum or much talk about him from you. You call out Grack for not trying to convince people to lynch his scum-reads but you're being unclear with your KSC scum-read also. I think KSC's wagon is the most pure atm so pls explain where you're coming from in more detail. On January 07 2017 10:59 Grackaroni wrote: Ika please prove to me that you are not scum. As for the Grack thing, this was the initial response. Another example of snarky responses to reasonable questions. I fail to see town motivation for being stubborn for the sake of it when it comes to explaining a town-read that nobody agrees with. He later claims that he thinks the entire thing is stupid but given that he helped fuel the argument into a 5-page fiasco, that reasoning looks fake to me. People who think things are stupid don't continue to focus on the stupid thing when they could spend their time better on something more productive or just leave the thread. On January 07 2017 11:21 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:19 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:05 Grackaroni wrote: Which of your posts are townie? Can you tell me why they are townie? Love the avoiding of my question and instead deflect it back to me. It goes straight to the heart of the question. If you cannot quote some posts to prove yourself town to me then surely I cannot do so to convince you that Vivax is town I've already given an answer that I find satisfactory. I like the effort he's putting into the game. I like the angles that he's pushing. I like his attitude and response to being pressured. Grack's later argument here, which I am inferring to be that explaining town-reads is pointless because it won't convince people, would be fine taken by itself. However when I look at his filter, it doesn't fit. Firstly, his filter has a load of town-reads in it and few scum-reads (and the two scum-reads he has suck because they don't show actual scum motivation). If he doesn't think that explaining town-reads will convince people then why would he spend so much time posting about them? Secondly, what's the point of saying "I'll explain my read once you've explained your town-read on SW" when he doesn't think that he can convince people of his read anyway and doesn't scum-read SW? Poor priorities at best, busywork at worst. Given everything else, I don't think he really believes what he's posting here. Thirdly, his filter is a lot worse than I thought it was going to be. Most of it is devoted to the argument and his posts before that were weak town-reads and off-topic posts which don't do anything. I would vote for him over Vivax since Vivax was at least pushing the game forward when he was here while Grack hasn't. As for Boston, my reads here still apply so I'd like people to talk about him more before he comes back as the Grack argument sucked the air out of the room in terms of discussion focus. + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 15:53 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote: Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This post pings me but I can't really figure out why. Like he posts this 2-4 hours-ish into the game and starts off by apologising for not being around here earlier which is pretty weird for town to do. I can't imagine myself saying sorry for something as a first post kind of deal so I don't get why he would is what I'm getting at. On January 07 2017 07:28 Calix wrote: Boston is just in his own little world, detached from the thread and floating by without a single fuck given for all the other stuff going on. His entrance was terrible and his follow-up just reinforces my read. He is too hung up on a player who hasn't DONE anything and is relatively inactive with no reason given and doesn't talk about anything else. Furthermore, he's not actually following through on his Onegu read or vote with anything substantial or trying to convince people or caring much. He's just there.
If we're going for someone low-activity then this is the most likely to hit scum atm.
##vote B0stonSC I said it earlier on why i scum read him. I dunno the post but what pinged me off was the bolded Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:57 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:55 KelsierSC wrote:
so how you reading ika atm? Slight townread based on posting the questions to get us talking and his activity and interest in the game so far. But he may be just copying his town meta so I'm keeping an eye on him still. yeh...like if i was you that is what I would be thinking if I was town. i have to go into work tomorrow unfortunately but only for like 1hr so should be on tomorrow. I know it seems like i've just been jerking off in the thread, and whilst this is true I think Calix, silver and ika are probably town and everyone else is kind of blegh. Grak is mafia though, im pretty happy with my vote at the moment. he gives implications that he himself is not town when referring to it in general. bost i had as town at first but then saw it was the one you were gut reading and i agreed on and after running an iso, i would vote it in a heatbeat becasue of the over abundance of excuses. Silverwolf does this a lot as scum and i have seen countless games of this crap done by scum
Good catch with KSC. I hesitate to call it a scum slip (as most of those tend to be wrong FME) but it shows a detached mentality for sure.
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On January 08 2017 02:12 ika42 wrote: calix if you had to name the scum team right now who would it be? i don't care for reasons i just want a gun to head
I don't do teams until a scummer's flipped and even then, but Boston, ME and one of Vivax/ Grackaroni is where I'm at with scum-reads.
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On January 08 2017 02:57 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 02:14 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 02:08 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 21:58 Calix wrote:On January 07 2017 10:09 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 10:02 ika42 wrote: so now that im caught up heres my read list that i have compiled
1) reps)squishy - sligth town 2) Kmatt - slight town 3) MichaelEhrmantraut - lean scum 4) ika42 -town 5) SilverWolf77 - town 6) B0stonSC - -null
Vets 1) beentheredonethat - null 2) Grackaroni- null 3) KelsierSC - scum 4) Onegu - claims VT 5) darthfoley - town lean 6) Calix -null 7) Vivax - scum lean
i have way too many nulls for my liking overall. updated after running iso on the newbs im gonna get food bbl Why is Boston a null to you? Speaking more generally to you and DF, what's the rationale behind voting for KSC? I found DF's post to be interesting as an observation but I wouldn't vote for KSC based on that. Meanwhile I'm not seeing why you think KSC is scum or much talk about him from you. You call out Grack for not trying to convince people to lynch his scum-reads but you're being unclear with your KSC scum-read also. I think KSC's wagon is the most pure atm so pls explain where you're coming from in more detail. On January 07 2017 10:59 Grackaroni wrote: Ika please prove to me that you are not scum. As for the Grack thing, this was the initial response. Another example of snarky responses to reasonable questions. I fail to see town motivation for being stubborn for the sake of it when it comes to explaining a town-read that nobody agrees with. He later claims that he thinks the entire thing is stupid but given that he helped fuel the argument into a 5-page fiasco, that reasoning looks fake to me. People who think things are stupid don't continue to focus on the stupid thing when they could spend their time better on something more productive or just leave the thread. On January 07 2017 11:21 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:19 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:05 Grackaroni wrote: Which of your posts are townie? Can you tell me why they are townie? Love the avoiding of my question and instead deflect it back to me. It goes straight to the heart of the question. If you cannot quote some posts to prove yourself town to me then surely I cannot do so to convince you that Vivax is town I've already given an answer that I find satisfactory. I like the effort he's putting into the game. I like the angles that he's pushing. I like his attitude and response to being pressured. Grack's later argument here, which I am inferring to be that explaining town-reads is pointless because it won't convince people, would be fine taken by itself. However when I look at his filter, it doesn't fit. Firstly, his filter has a load of town-reads in it and few scum-reads (and the two scum-reads he has suck because they don't show actual scum motivation). If he doesn't think that explaining town-reads will convince people then why would he spend so much time posting about them? Secondly, what's the point of saying "I'll explain my read once you've explained your town-read on SW" when he doesn't think that he can convince people of his read anyway and doesn't scum-read SW? Poor priorities at best, busywork at worst. Given everything else, I don't think he really believes what he's posting here. Thirdly, his filter is a lot worse than I thought it was going to be. Most of it is devoted to the argument and his posts before that were weak town-reads and off-topic posts which don't do anything. I would vote for him over Vivax since Vivax was at least pushing the game forward when he was here while Grack hasn't. As for Boston, my reads here still apply so I'd like people to talk about him more before he comes back as the Grack argument sucked the air out of the room in terms of discussion focus. + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 15:53 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote: Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This post pings me but I can't really figure out why. Like he posts this 2-4 hours-ish into the game and starts off by apologising for not being around here earlier which is pretty weird for town to do. I can't imagine myself saying sorry for something as a first post kind of deal so I don't get why he would is what I'm getting at. On January 07 2017 07:28 Calix wrote: Boston is just in his own little world, detached from the thread and floating by without a single fuck given for all the other stuff going on. His entrance was terrible and his follow-up just reinforces my read. He is too hung up on a player who hasn't DONE anything and is relatively inactive with no reason given and doesn't talk about anything else. Furthermore, he's not actually following through on his Onegu read or vote with anything substantial or trying to convince people or caring much. He's just there.
If we're going for someone low-activity then this is the most likely to hit scum atm.
##vote B0stonSC I said it earlier on why i scum read him. I dunno the post but what pinged me off was the bolded On January 06 2017 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:57 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:55 KelsierSC wrote:
so how you reading ika atm? Slight townread based on posting the questions to get us talking and his activity and interest in the game so far. But he may be just copying his town meta so I'm keeping an eye on him still. yeh...like if i was you that is what I would be thinking if I was town. i have to go into work tomorrow unfortunately but only for like 1hr so should be on tomorrow. I know it seems like i've just been jerking off in the thread, and whilst this is true I think Calix, silver and ika are probably town and everyone else is kind of blegh. Grak is mafia though, im pretty happy with my vote at the moment. he gives implications that he himself is not town when referring to it in general. bost i had as town at first but then saw it was the one you were gut reading and i agreed on and after running an iso, i would vote it in a heatbeat becasue of the over abundance of excuses. Silverwolf does this a lot as scum and i have seen countless games of this crap done by scum Good catch with KSC. I hesitate to call it a scum slip (as most of those tend to be wrong FME) but it shows a detached mentality for sure. What do you mean about a detached mentality Calix?
The way he phrased his opinion with "if I was town" is detached is what I mean there. Seems like a cold observation more than an opinion in terms of tone, if that makes sense.
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It looks like all the active people have similar opinions so consolidation shouldn't be a problem.
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On January 08 2017 03:12 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 03:09 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 02:57 Grackaroni wrote:On January 08 2017 02:14 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 02:08 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 21:58 Calix wrote:On January 07 2017 10:09 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 10:02 ika42 wrote: so now that im caught up heres my read list that i have compiled
1) reps)squishy - sligth town 2) Kmatt - slight town 3) MichaelEhrmantraut - lean scum 4) ika42 -town 5) SilverWolf77 - town 6) B0stonSC - -null
Vets 1) beentheredonethat - null 2) Grackaroni- null 3) KelsierSC - scum 4) Onegu - claims VT 5) darthfoley - town lean 6) Calix -null 7) Vivax - scum lean
i have way too many nulls for my liking overall. updated after running iso on the newbs im gonna get food bbl Why is Boston a null to you? Speaking more generally to you and DF, what's the rationale behind voting for KSC? I found DF's post to be interesting as an observation but I wouldn't vote for KSC based on that. Meanwhile I'm not seeing why you think KSC is scum or much talk about him from you. You call out Grack for not trying to convince people to lynch his scum-reads but you're being unclear with your KSC scum-read also. I think KSC's wagon is the most pure atm so pls explain where you're coming from in more detail. On January 07 2017 10:59 Grackaroni wrote: Ika please prove to me that you are not scum. As for the Grack thing, this was the initial response. Another example of snarky responses to reasonable questions. I fail to see town motivation for being stubborn for the sake of it when it comes to explaining a town-read that nobody agrees with. He later claims that he thinks the entire thing is stupid but given that he helped fuel the argument into a 5-page fiasco, that reasoning looks fake to me. People who think things are stupid don't continue to focus on the stupid thing when they could spend their time better on something more productive or just leave the thread. On January 07 2017 11:21 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:19 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:05 Grackaroni wrote: Which of your posts are townie? Can you tell me why they are townie? Love the avoiding of my question and instead deflect it back to me. It goes straight to the heart of the question. If you cannot quote some posts to prove yourself town to me then surely I cannot do so to convince you that Vivax is town I've already given an answer that I find satisfactory. I like the effort he's putting into the game. I like the angles that he's pushing. I like his attitude and response to being pressured. Grack's later argument here, which I am inferring to be that explaining town-reads is pointless because it won't convince people, would be fine taken by itself. However when I look at his filter, it doesn't fit. Firstly, his filter has a load of town-reads in it and few scum-reads (and the two scum-reads he has suck because they don't show actual scum motivation). If he doesn't think that explaining town-reads will convince people then why would he spend so much time posting about them? Secondly, what's the point of saying "I'll explain my read once you've explained your town-read on SW" when he doesn't think that he can convince people of his read anyway and doesn't scum-read SW? Poor priorities at best, busywork at worst. Given everything else, I don't think he really believes what he's posting here. Thirdly, his filter is a lot worse than I thought it was going to be. Most of it is devoted to the argument and his posts before that were weak town-reads and off-topic posts which don't do anything. I would vote for him over Vivax since Vivax was at least pushing the game forward when he was here while Grack hasn't. As for Boston, my reads here still apply so I'd like people to talk about him more before he comes back as the Grack argument sucked the air out of the room in terms of discussion focus. + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 15:53 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote: Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This post pings me but I can't really figure out why. Like he posts this 2-4 hours-ish into the game and starts off by apologising for not being around here earlier which is pretty weird for town to do. I can't imagine myself saying sorry for something as a first post kind of deal so I don't get why he would is what I'm getting at. On January 07 2017 07:28 Calix wrote: Boston is just in his own little world, detached from the thread and floating by without a single fuck given for all the other stuff going on. His entrance was terrible and his follow-up just reinforces my read. He is too hung up on a player who hasn't DONE anything and is relatively inactive with no reason given and doesn't talk about anything else. Furthermore, he's not actually following through on his Onegu read or vote with anything substantial or trying to convince people or caring much. He's just there.
If we're going for someone low-activity then this is the most likely to hit scum atm.
##vote B0stonSC I said it earlier on why i scum read him. I dunno the post but what pinged me off was the bolded On January 06 2017 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:57 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:55 KelsierSC wrote:
so how you reading ika atm? Slight townread based on posting the questions to get us talking and his activity and interest in the game so far. But he may be just copying his town meta so I'm keeping an eye on him still. yeh...like if i was you that is what I would be thinking if I was town. i have to go into work tomorrow unfortunately but only for like 1hr so should be on tomorrow. I know it seems like i've just been jerking off in the thread, and whilst this is true I think Calix, silver and ika are probably town and everyone else is kind of blegh. Grak is mafia though, im pretty happy with my vote at the moment. he gives implications that he himself is not town when referring to it in general. bost i had as town at first but then saw it was the one you were gut reading and i agreed on and after running an iso, i would vote it in a heatbeat becasue of the over abundance of excuses. Silverwolf does this a lot as scum and i have seen countless games of this crap done by scum Good catch with KSC. I hesitate to call it a scum slip (as most of those tend to be wrong FME) but it shows a detached mentality for sure. What do you mean about a detached mentality Calix? The way he phrased his opinion with "if I was town" is detached is what I mean there. Seems like a cold observation more than an opinion in terms of tone, if that makes sense. He said that that's what he would be thinking if he was ika, and then he added the if I was town i.e. if ika was town.
What? KSC says "if I was town" which is using the first person - how does that refer to ika?
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On January 08 2017 03:19 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 03:15 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 03:12 Grackaroni wrote:On January 08 2017 03:09 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 02:57 Grackaroni wrote:On January 08 2017 02:14 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 02:08 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 21:58 Calix wrote:On January 07 2017 10:09 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 10:02 ika42 wrote: so now that im caught up heres my read list that i have compiled
1) reps)squishy - sligth town 2) Kmatt - slight town 3) MichaelEhrmantraut - lean scum 4) ika42 -town 5) SilverWolf77 - town 6) B0stonSC - -null
Vets 1) beentheredonethat - null 2) Grackaroni- null 3) KelsierSC - scum 4) Onegu - claims VT 5) darthfoley - town lean 6) Calix -null 7) Vivax - scum lean
i have way too many nulls for my liking overall. updated after running iso on the newbs im gonna get food bbl Why is Boston a null to you? Speaking more generally to you and DF, what's the rationale behind voting for KSC? I found DF's post to be interesting as an observation but I wouldn't vote for KSC based on that. Meanwhile I'm not seeing why you think KSC is scum or much talk about him from you. You call out Grack for not trying to convince people to lynch his scum-reads but you're being unclear with your KSC scum-read also. I think KSC's wagon is the most pure atm so pls explain where you're coming from in more detail. On January 07 2017 10:59 Grackaroni wrote: Ika please prove to me that you are not scum. As for the Grack thing, this was the initial response. Another example of snarky responses to reasonable questions. I fail to see town motivation for being stubborn for the sake of it when it comes to explaining a town-read that nobody agrees with. He later claims that he thinks the entire thing is stupid but given that he helped fuel the argument into a 5-page fiasco, that reasoning looks fake to me. People who think things are stupid don't continue to focus on the stupid thing when they could spend their time better on something more productive or just leave the thread. On January 07 2017 11:21 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:19 ika42 wrote: [quote]
Love the avoiding of my question and instead deflect it back to me. It goes straight to the heart of the question. If you cannot quote some posts to prove yourself town to me then surely I cannot do so to convince you that Vivax is town I've already given an answer that I find satisfactory. I like the effort he's putting into the game. I like the angles that he's pushing. I like his attitude and response to being pressured. Grack's later argument here, which I am inferring to be that explaining town-reads is pointless because it won't convince people, would be fine taken by itself. However when I look at his filter, it doesn't fit. Firstly, his filter has a load of town-reads in it and few scum-reads (and the two scum-reads he has suck because they don't show actual scum motivation). If he doesn't think that explaining town-reads will convince people then why would he spend so much time posting about them? Secondly, what's the point of saying "I'll explain my read once you've explained your town-read on SW" when he doesn't think that he can convince people of his read anyway and doesn't scum-read SW? Poor priorities at best, busywork at worst. Given everything else, I don't think he really believes what he's posting here. Thirdly, his filter is a lot worse than I thought it was going to be. Most of it is devoted to the argument and his posts before that were weak town-reads and off-topic posts which don't do anything. I would vote for him over Vivax since Vivax was at least pushing the game forward when he was here while Grack hasn't. As for Boston, my reads here still apply so I'd like people to talk about him more before he comes back as the Grack argument sucked the air out of the room in terms of discussion focus. + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 15:53 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote: Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This post pings me but I can't really figure out why. Like he posts this 2-4 hours-ish into the game and starts off by apologising for not being around here earlier which is pretty weird for town to do. I can't imagine myself saying sorry for something as a first post kind of deal so I don't get why he would is what I'm getting at. On January 07 2017 07:28 Calix wrote: Boston is just in his own little world, detached from the thread and floating by without a single fuck given for all the other stuff going on. His entrance was terrible and his follow-up just reinforces my read. He is too hung up on a player who hasn't DONE anything and is relatively inactive with no reason given and doesn't talk about anything else. Furthermore, he's not actually following through on his Onegu read or vote with anything substantial or trying to convince people or caring much. He's just there.
If we're going for someone low-activity then this is the most likely to hit scum atm.
##vote B0stonSC I said it earlier on why i scum read him. I dunno the post but what pinged me off was the bolded On January 06 2017 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:57 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:55 KelsierSC wrote:
so how you reading ika atm? Slight townread based on posting the questions to get us talking and his activity and interest in the game so far. But he may be just copying his town meta so I'm keeping an eye on him still. yeh...like if i was you that is what I would be thinking if I was town. i have to go into work tomorrow unfortunately but only for like 1hr so should be on tomorrow. I know it seems like i've just been jerking off in the thread, and whilst this is true I think Calix, silver and ika are probably town and everyone else is kind of blegh. Grak is mafia though, im pretty happy with my vote at the moment. he gives implications that he himself is not town when referring to it in general. bost i had as town at first but then saw it was the one you were gut reading and i agreed on and after running an iso, i would vote it in a heatbeat becasue of the over abundance of excuses. Silverwolf does this a lot as scum and i have seen countless games of this crap done by scum Good catch with KSC. I hesitate to call it a scum slip (as most of those tend to be wrong FME) but it shows a detached mentality for sure. What do you mean about a detached mentality Calix? The way he phrased his opinion with "if I was town" is detached is what I mean there. Seems like a cold observation more than an opinion in terms of tone, if that makes sense. He said that that's what he would be thinking if he was ika, and then he added the if I was town i.e. if ika was town. What? KSC says "if I was town" which is using the first person - how does that refer to ika? " If I was you that's what I would be thinking if I was town" If he was in ika's shoes and he was town then that is what he would be thinking. The first part of the sentence is the reason why it looks detached or w/e.
I'm still not seeing it. KSC might be referring to SW (who he is responding to) with that part but ika? No.
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On January 08 2017 03:30 beentheredonethat wrote:Hello everyone. I'm here. I have not read the game as I even didn't /confirm, however hosts weren't eager to wait for me. As I was pissed over things going on over in Host Mafia, I pretty much didn't visit TL over the course of the last 24 hours or so, only went online from mobile for a bit. So. This is my very first time in playing two games at once so I want to apologize in advance if I suck. I will catch up on the game in the next few hours, I'm at home in front of my desktop and I'm going to do my best to contribute.
Eww gross opening post with the preemptive excuse for shit play.
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Given the mass inactivity, trying to use the bigger picture is a very bad idea that's going to lead to faulty conclusions.
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On January 08 2017 03:52 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 03:33 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 03:30 beentheredonethat wrote:Hello everyone. I'm here. I have not read the game as I even didn't /confirm, however hosts weren't eager to wait for me. As I was pissed over things going on over in Host Mafia, I pretty much didn't visit TL over the course of the last 24 hours or so, only went online from mobile for a bit. So. This is my very first time in playing two games at once so I want to apologize in advance if I suck. I will catch up on the game in the next few hours, I'm at home in front of my desktop and I'm going to do my best to contribute. Eww gross opening post with the preemptive excuse for shit play. You're hosting the other game Calix and you should know why I'm pissed as fuck. So either you're putting shit on me because you're scum or you haven't read up Host Mafia and are failing on your host duties which I don't think you are capable of at this point. Tell me, what kind of entry post is a "good entry post"? "Hello people, I am here and Calix is scum"? Okay. Hello people, I am here and Calix is scum. ##vote Calix
This is a massive overreaction. I'm not going to respond to the part about hosting since that's referring to an ongoing game and is clearly attacking my character.
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On January 08 2017 03:57 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 03:55 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 03:52 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 03:33 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 03:30 beentheredonethat wrote:Hello everyone. I'm here. I have not read the game as I even didn't /confirm, however hosts weren't eager to wait for me. As I was pissed over things going on over in Host Mafia, I pretty much didn't visit TL over the course of the last 24 hours or so, only went online from mobile for a bit. So. This is my very first time in playing two games at once so I want to apologize in advance if I suck. I will catch up on the game in the next few hours, I'm at home in front of my desktop and I'm going to do my best to contribute. Eww gross opening post with the preemptive excuse for shit play. You're hosting the other game Calix and you should know why I'm pissed as fuck. So either you're putting shit on me because you're scum or you haven't read up Host Mafia and are failing on your host duties which I don't think you are capable of at this point. Tell me, what kind of entry post is a "good entry post"? "Hello people, I am here and Calix is scum"? Okay. Hello people, I am here and Calix is scum. ##vote Calix This is a massive overreaction. I'm not going to respond to the part about hosting since that's referring to an ongoing game and is clearly attacking my character. It absolutely is a massive overreaction but so is your one-line response to my original entry. So if we could both settle down to a slower pace and be polite to each other then we could actually try to play this game. Of course we can also throw shit onto each other until something sticks to one of us. But I would prefer to actually have fun in this game.
I wasn't rude? All I said was that your post was bad because you were making an excuse for sub-par play. Literally nowhere did I personally attack you.
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On January 08 2017 03:58 Vivax wrote: Yea Calix is a whip swinging vixen this game
What does this mean exactly?
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On January 08 2017 03:59 beentheredonethat wrote: So. After having a glimpse on Calix' filter, I think it's very easy to give a town pass here. Calix is cleary giving insights on read development, feels pissed about people not really playing the game and is actively chasing scum.
To make things easier for me, I will townread her right now without going too deep into filter diving. Seeing the current votecount, we're not consolidated. That's a fine thing but we should end up with two main wagons.
Soooo being the lazy town here, are there any cases on anyone?
Read Vivax/ Grack/ Boston/ KSC/ ME's filters as those are the main scum-reads that people have.
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On January 08 2017 03:59 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 03:45 Calix wrote: Given the mass inactivity, trying to use the bigger picture is a very bad idea that's going to lead to faulty conclusions. That wasn't really my point. I'm concerned with how much of a circle jerk the thread is when there's a good chance that Swika is wrong on a lot of things. It's hard for me to pick out scum from sheep if everyone's opinion follows their sentiment.
I don't think this is as much of a bad thing as you make it out to be re; D1. It's a step up from a thread where nobody trusts each other, turns on each other and it turns out to be a bunch of bored townies at the end of it.
I am definitely not referencing a particular game I played here xD
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On January 08 2017 04:02 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 03:59 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 03:57 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 03:55 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 03:52 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 03:33 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 03:30 beentheredonethat wrote:Hello everyone. I'm here. I have not read the game as I even didn't /confirm, however hosts weren't eager to wait for me. As I was pissed over things going on over in Host Mafia, I pretty much didn't visit TL over the course of the last 24 hours or so, only went online from mobile for a bit. So. This is my very first time in playing two games at once so I want to apologize in advance if I suck. I will catch up on the game in the next few hours, I'm at home in front of my desktop and I'm going to do my best to contribute. Eww gross opening post with the preemptive excuse for shit play. You're hosting the other game Calix and you should know why I'm pissed as fuck. So either you're putting shit on me because you're scum or you haven't read up Host Mafia and are failing on your host duties which I don't think you are capable of at this point. Tell me, what kind of entry post is a "good entry post"? "Hello people, I am here and Calix is scum"? Okay. Hello people, I am here and Calix is scum. ##vote Calix This is a massive overreaction. I'm not going to respond to the part about hosting since that's referring to an ongoing game and is clearly attacking my character. It absolutely is a massive overreaction but so is your one-line response to my original entry. So if we could both settle down to a slower pace and be polite to each other then we could actually try to play this game. Of course we can also throw shit onto each other until something sticks to one of us. But I would prefer to actually have fun in this game. I wasn't rude? All I said was that your post was bad because you were making an excuse for sub-par play. Literally nowhere did I personally attack you. Basically, this is also a problem of recipient/sender of the message. I received your sentence as very rude and even disruptive.
I've actually been very nice this game. I don't think I've even called someone a retard yet.
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On January 08 2017 04:02 Vivax wrote: Been tempted a few times to put the thought out there that we might be dealing with an active, disruptive mafia (Calix), but then that thought shouldn't be pursued too early, especially by me or I end up tinfoiling the entire game. So it's a thought on hold maybe I'll find something positive to take from her posts at some point. For now she doesn't look sheepable to me.
I think for today I would be content with a PL on ME, otherwise I still have my eyes on Kelsier and DF mostly as I might have been onto something at the start of the day, but today I feel like shit and am lazy to go dig for something and make a case, to be completely honest.
What makes you think that?
It would be good if you could expand on your reads at some point.
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Activity isn't AI for me, it's just a thing.
I'm not a fan of the reads I've gotten. BTDT unnecessarily bringing up another game, then backing down when I refused to talk about it doesn't sit well with me.
However your read (that you're not explaining) is also off because of the timing of BTDT's. He posted a town-read of me and then you said after that "Calix might be mafia" with no backing so yeah, I want the read pls.
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On January 08 2017 04:17 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 04:13 Calix wrote: Activity isn't AI for me, it's just a thing.
I'm not a fan of the reads I've gotten. BTDT unnecessarily bringing up another game, then backing down when I refused to talk about it doesn't sit well with me.
However your read (that you're not explaining) is also off because of the timing of BTDT's. He posted a town-read of me and then you said after that "Calix might be mafia" with no backing so yeah, I want the read pls. I was pissed at the hosts of the other game. You are one of the hosts of the other game. This is why I didn't play this game. I also came back because I had confirmed this very game here. As you called me out on saying exactly the above, I wanted to remind you that you are one of the hosts of the very game I was pissed about, meaning that you should know that I am speaking the truth and not making up some lame bullshit about why I wasn't there for the majority of D1. I'm afraid that wasn't clear. If you have any questions, ask.
If you have a legit problem then take it to PMs instead of talking about it in the game thread of a different game.
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You're starting to get on my tits here. You keep bringing it back to this topic instead of just...talking about something game-relevant...
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On January 08 2017 04:23 Calix wrote: You're starting to get on my tits here. You keep bringing it back to this topic instead of just...talking about something game-relevant...
Instead of responding to this, just give a read or something.
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On January 08 2017 04:34 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:36 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote:
now onto something i want everyone to answer
are you town? how long have you played mafia? do you play elsewhere and if so where? What is your typical play style? how do you scumhunt/townhunt? do you know anyone here that you can read very well? -yes -off and on about 2 years -I have played a couple at Mafia Universe and a few at SC2 -It depends on the gamestate, my role, etc. -I like to look for motivation in posts and I also check for a few other things I'd like to keep to myself for now, I do both townhunt and scumhunt in most games -I know Calix from SC2, she's a good player but I've only played in like 2-3 games so I can't say I can read her well, I know ika very well and am usually accurate in reading him when he's town, if he's scum it might take me a little longer to figure him out What's townhunt
Looking for townies as opposed to scum, typically for POE.
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On January 08 2017 04:36 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 04:29 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 06 2017 09:02 KelsierSC wrote: yeeeehhhhhhh booooiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii ksc most likely town for this. he hates playing scum afaik. That's a bad read and you should know that
Is this implying a scum-read?
Also when are you going to respond to my post? I just figured you had fucked off.
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On January 08 2017 04:43 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 04:38 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 04:36 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 04:29 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 06 2017 09:02 KelsierSC wrote: yeeeehhhhhhh booooiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii ksc most likely town for this. he hates playing scum afaik. That's a bad read and you should know that Is this implying a scum-read? Also when are you going to respond to my post? I just figured you had fucked off. Yea no I have plenty of content going and all you do is focus on the one I don't decide on expanding on and won't for my own reasons which are explained. You could talk about anything in my filter but if you only ever choose to pick the stuff I don't want to talk about, you're not going to get a reply.
If you don't want to expand on it then why bring it up in the first place? You've already seen how well that worked when Grack did something similar.
FMPOV it looks like you made that read on me to doubt-cast given that it was posted after BTDT gave me a town-read and then you said that his KSC read was bad also. That's why I want to know your reasoning.
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On January 08 2017 04:46 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 04:43 Grackaroni wrote:This guy could be scum. On January 07 2017 04:38 Kmatt wrote: Vivax I don't like any of his posts individually but is among the only people being active and pushing. As I said above, town arguing with town On January 07 2017 11:32 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:29 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:26 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:25 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:21 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:19 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:05 Grackaroni wrote: Which of your posts are townie? Can you tell me why they are townie? Love the avoiding of my question and instead deflect it back to me. It goes straight to the heart of the question. If you cannot quote some posts to prove yourself town to me then surely I cannot do so to convince you that Vivax is town I've already given an answer that I find satisfactory. I like the effort he's putting into the game. I like the angles that he's pushing. I like his attitude and response to being pressured. i asked first so burden of proof is on you. Also the question you are asking is not the same as what i am asking. You are asking em to prove I am town not somebody else. My question is asking you to prove your read on someone else not yourself. Again, show me posts that show the efforts and angles you are talking about. Otherwise i will say your fabricating the read on him. Then I will alter the task. Prove to me that Silverwolf is town. Answer mine first, the burden of proof is on you. Also IIRC you have already called her town so i question your reason for a pointless task. I'm doing this because my read isn't based off of any one post. I find the task stupid. And if you show your quotes for silverwolf being town then I will show why I think so by applying the exact same things you say to Vivax. Anything that you can say to call her townie could be equally applied to him. It doesn't look great that he's joining in on this when he had the exact same general non post based read on Vivax as I had. He should have been able to understand by predicament! On January 07 2017 11:53 Kmatt wrote: And now that I'm caught up:
Grack, I don't know what you're trying to do here, but you're better off not. You can't just say "oh this guy is town" and then refuse to explain the read in detail. As counter-intuitive as it sounds, that's more scummy than having a scumread you won't elaborate.
On January 07 2017 11:56 Kmatt wrote:On January 07 2017 11:52 Grackaroni wrote:+ Show Spoiler +The following posts are Grack approved posts for reasons that Grackaroni has specified in earlier posts. On January 06 2017 09:19 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:16 KelsierSC wrote: well this start is shit tier, where dem boyz at? Seen a bunch of people flip mafia who complained about the state of the game at the start of the game, in my lifetime. Tempts me to find out if this is the case again. On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:43 Calix wrote: I sense I'll have an aneurysm at this rate.
DF, you seem sensible. What else have you noticed so far? I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote: [quote]
I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted. His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful. Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude. It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol. It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. On January 06 2017 21:29 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 19:56 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
This is true of many people so why is onegu the vote? I guessed that's just his way of doing things, ie judging people by perceived usefulness/compliance. And 1gu really looks like he's doing the least, which sadly isn't alignment indicative. BTDT still has to post but when he does it's usually a lot. There's a townie simplicity to Bostons posts, but that's just a first impression, and of course it's just an early read. Still need a grasp of how much he is actually following the game given he claims to have read and reread it and even took notes. Just voting 1gu doesn't give much info. On January 06 2017 23:25 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:18 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote: [quote]
I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted. His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful. Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. WTF? Why is ika hard town to you? And don't say he's not cuz no way would you defend him like this unless you are town who believes he's town or scum trying to get towncred if he's town. There's always a chance you are scumbuddies too with this attitude. So why are you townreading him? Let me adopt your logic for a moment: "Why are you scumreading Ika, silverwolf. Where did you scumread Ika huh?" By your logic, right now you would be scumreading Ika cause you are attacking my townread on him. But that's wrong! I can perfectly question someone's means of reading someone without having a read on that someone. Questioning the method is not the same as questioning the outcome. On January 06 2017 23:31 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:26 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 21:29 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 19:56 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
This is true of many people so why is onegu the vote? I guessed that's just his way of doing things, ie judging people by perceived usefulness/compliance. And 1gu really looks like he's doing the least, which sadly isn't alignment indicative. BTDT still has to post but when he does it's usually a lot. There's a townie simplicity to Bostons posts, but that's just a first impression, and of course it's just an early read. Still need a grasp of how much he is actually following the game given he claims to have read and reread it and even took notes. Just voting 1gu doesn't give much info. I don't like this post. Why are you answering for Boston? It's a simple question that he can answer by himself. And why explain your answer in enough depth that you even say why Boston might not have picked BTDT? (assuming that's why you brought up BTDT anyway) I also feel that your read on Boston does the over-explaining thing as well because you bring up all the minor things he has done so far. Yes I gave a read on a player while Kelsier was around to talk about him. Such scum. On January 07 2017 00:31 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 00:02 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 23:40 Vivax wrote: I don't have a read on ika so far and I don't need to have one to question darthfoley's read on him. No, you don't have to have a read on ika to say darthfoley's read on him is bad. I agree. The problem I have is the way you are doing it. Basically, ika no longer has to answer the suspicion because you interjected. Not only interjected but also defended ika by asking if darthfoley has his meta and implying that ika's questions are not scummy. You have a right to have an opinion on ika's questioning but the way you are doing it is very protective of ika. If you have no read of ika, this doesn't make much sense. I guess my gut just pinged hard off of that and also I think you interjected when someone was questioning someone else-I think Calix pointed this out already. Anyway, from my experience, scum like to do this because they get towncred for defending people they know are town. It's way too early to have a super strong opinion on someone's alignment, unless you know that alignment. Doesn't mean we can't have reads. We certainly can. But when I would of preferred to see ika answer the suspicion and engage with darth rather than have you interject. Sorry if I'm not explaining myself well. I'm tired and rambling right now. Be back in a little bit. Ika has to answer the suspicion if you, or anyone else for that matter, make him feel like he has to. In your opinion I made him feel like he didn't have to cause I defended him by suspecting darthfoley. Well, I can and will voice my suspicion when I think I found something worthwhile and darthfoley can take his time to reply whenever he wants, just as ika can answer to darthfoley whenever he wants. So I don't think I hindered the scumhunting of someone in any way by doing my own. If you really think that darthfoley's line of thought was so worth it and cause of me, a hypothetical mafia ika got off the hook, you can still always ask ika about it yourself. But you rather saw it as important to reprimand me/call me mafia, not sure what it is yet. On January 07 2017 01:17 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 01:12 SilverWolf77 wrote: No, it isn't that I think darthfoley's suspicion of ika is worth it.
It's more that I saw you defending two people who you don't have a townread on. By saying B0stonSC just does things that way is a defense of him before he can even answer the question directed at him. You asking darth if he has ika's meta looked like a defense of ika.
Also, In response to my suspicion, you deflected or tried to discredit rather than just explaining yourself further.
That said, giving your own opinion of B0stonSC's opening or your own opinion of darth's read on ika as fake is totally valid and not scummy to me at all.
There's a difference between discrediting and trying to expose why your reasoning is wrong. You also said I was sarcastic when I wasn't at all, I just emulated your logic. On January 07 2017 01:41 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 01:26 Calix wrote:I'm starting to relate to those people who always whine about how hard Calix vs NU is to read because I find the ika/ SW/ Vivax thing hard to follow. I'm still not sure I actually understand the full details of the case against Vivax. The one point that I really relate to is how Vivax deflects questions about his talking-for-people tendency with snark and doesn't answer them. When I asked about why he was answering for Boston he did that and he did it later on with SW. I see no purpose in speaking for other people on simple questions like "why did you vote for Onegu" and reads like busywork. I want an explanation for that because that's scummy as hell and he didn't counter that point off-the-cuff. + Show Spoiler [Evidence and shit] +On January 06 2017 23:31 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:26 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 21:29 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 19:56 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
This is true of many people so why is onegu the vote? I guessed that's just his way of doing things, ie judging people by perceived usefulness/compliance. And 1gu really looks like he's doing the least, which sadly isn't alignment indicative. BTDT still has to post but when he does it's usually a lot. There's a townie simplicity to Bostons posts, but that's just a first impression, and of course it's just an early read. Still need a grasp of how much he is actually following the game given he claims to have read and reread it and even took notes. Just voting 1gu doesn't give much info. I don't like this post. Why are you answering for Boston? It's a simple question that he can answer by himself. And why explain your answer in enough depth that you even say why Boston might not have picked BTDT? (assuming that's why you brought up BTDT anyway) I also feel that your read on Boston does the over-explaining thing as well because you bring up all the minor things he has done so far. Yes I gave a read on a player while Kelsier was around to talk about him. Such scum. On January 06 2017 23:25 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:18 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote: [quote]
I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted. His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful. Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. WTF? Why is ika hard town to you? And don't say he's not cuz no way would you defend him like this unless you are town who believes he's town or scum trying to get towncred if he's town. There's always a chance you are scumbuddies too with this attitude. So why are you townreading him? Let me adopt your logic for a moment: "Why are you scumreading Ika, silverwolf. Where did you scumread Ika huh?" By your logic, right now you would be scumreading Ika cause you are attacking my townread on him. But that's wrong! I can perfectly question someone's means of reading someone without having a read on that someone. Questioning the method is not the same as questioning the outcome. I didn't get the impression that Vivax made his posts against DF with the intent to defend ika so making guesses about ika's alignment from Vivax's behaviour is questionable imo. However I think that SW makes good observations about the discrepancy between Vivax's read on ika (or lack of it) and what he says regarding him. I feel like if you interact or talk about a player a lot, you should have a good reason if you end up with a null/ no read on them. I liked ika's reactions to Vivax a lot. Answering with snark? You didn't ask anything. You claimed that I answered for Boston. I clarified that I gave a read on him. This game is about trying to make oneself correctly readable as town. You could as well demand that anyone simply shuts up when he isn't asked about something specific. But this is a game of information not the military, and I can give reads on whoever I please without being asked. On January 07 2017 01:54 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 01:52 Calix wrote:On January 07 2017 01:48 Vivax wrote: So far you and Ika both asked such loaded questions that already imply I did something I did not. Obviously you're not going to get a nice answer to "Do you always beat your wife" type of questions. Your point? If you ask shitty questions you get shitty answers On January 07 2017 02:01 Vivax wrote: Should be a when*
Anyway.
I keep thinking it'd be cool if more people posted, this feels a lot like a clash between overeager townies which is what happens 80 % of the time in the average game of mafia.
I also feel a bit troubled by ika and Silver actually living together cause they had little interaction at the start of the game, but then it wore off quickly.
And Silver was very eager to jump at me for apparently defending ika. And ika brought ahead a similar argument where he said I was too sure of him being town.
Point being, they might have a common playstyle being a couple or whatever, and I don't really know how that plays out since they're new here. It did kinda feel concertated how they were bombarding me with accusations back there.
But it's just feels On January 07 2017 03:03 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 02:46 darthfoley wrote:On January 07 2017 02:36 Vivax wrote:On January 07 2017 02:33 darthfoley wrote: I'd be interested to see Kelsier's take on this Vivax/ika/SW thing when he gets a chance.
And more from Grack And yours? Of the three of you, I liked SW's responses the best. They seem natural and attentive without being scared of making conclusions. I am town reading her I understand your initial questioning, but I don't like how you play semantics over the B0ston thing. Your first sentence is clearly more than a read imo On January 06 2017 21:29 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 19:56 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
This is true of many people so why is onegu the vote? I guessed that's just his way of doing things, ie judging people by perceived usefulness/compliance. And 1gu really looks like he's doing the least, which sadly isn't alignment indicative. BTDT still has to post but when he does it's usually a lot. There's a townie simplicity to Bostons posts, but that's just a first impression, and of course it's just an early read. Still need a grasp of how much he is actually following the game given he claims to have read and reread it and even took notes. Just voting 1gu doesn't give much info. It's understandable why people think you're answering for him, indirectly with the "I guess" qualifier. So I don't like that you deflected and then kind of pulled an "OMGUS, the questions I got weren't up to my liking!" Yea I checked his answers to the questionnaire and figured he was a newbie. And as newbie one tends to strictly pay attention to how useful or compliant a person looks, so only obvious he'd go after 1gu. That's where my guess comes from. The burden of proof's on you ika. Show me the town case. Wait what am I looking at? You quoted Vivax a bunch of times? Is this your explanation as to why you think he's town? Why are you so stubborn to keep this read a secret. If it's as solid as you seem to believe then you'll win people to your case and advance the game. could you see them being scum as a team where kmatt is trying to coach him on what to do and stop the fight with me?
Scummers have constant chat on this site so I'm not sold on that reasoning. Not to mention that making pre-flips is bad play. Do you think the Kmatt point stands regardless of Vivax?
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Care to explain it in your own words?
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On January 08 2017 04:50 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 04:46 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 04:43 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 04:38 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 04:36 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 04:29 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 06 2017 09:02 KelsierSC wrote: yeeeehhhhhhh booooiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii ksc most likely town for this. he hates playing scum afaik. That's a bad read and you should know that Is this implying a scum-read? Also when are you going to respond to my post? I just figured you had fucked off. Yea no I have plenty of content going and all you do is focus on the one I don't decide on expanding on and won't for my own reasons which are explained. You could talk about anything in my filter but if you only ever choose to pick the stuff I don't want to talk about, you're not going to get a reply. If you don't want to expand on it then why bring it up in the first place? You've already seen how well that worked when Grack did something similar. FMPOV it looks like you made that read on me to doubt-cast given that it was posted after BTDT gave me a town-read and then you said that his KSC read was bad also. That's why I want to know your reasoning. Yes you see some sort of connection in why I'm bringing it up but don't want to also consider the possibility that it's simply a thought that occurred to me during the game. You might have noticed how in my analysis of DFs post I paid attention to also seeing his post as coming from a town PoV, then explained why I thought it was the more unlikely point of view. Like right now you are seeing my post as only coming from a mafia point of view where I want to cast doubt on you. But it could as well simply be true that I genuinely thought that and wanted to get the thought into the game.
That's how I play. I look for shit that makes sense from mafia POV and push that. I don't think it's a bad thing and don't need a lecture on how to play as town.
You say it's a genuine read but I don't get why town would bring up a read that they think and then be reluctant to expand on it. If you could explain that to me so I can factor that into how I read you then that would be great.
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On January 08 2017 04:52 Grackaroni wrote: Right now I see Calix spending more time playing traffic cop than pushing her own thing, so that worries me a bit.
I'm engaging with one of my scum-reads so I don't understand how you concluded this.
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On January 08 2017 05:00 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 04:57 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 04:52 Grackaroni wrote: Right now I see Calix spending more time playing traffic cop than pushing her own thing, so that worries me a bit. I'm engaging with one of my scum-reads so I don't understand how you concluded this. I guess I just haven't remembered a single push from you yet.
Then you're not paying attention. That statement is a more accurate assessment of your play than mine.
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On January 08 2017 05:03 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:02 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 05:00 Grackaroni wrote:On January 08 2017 04:57 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 04:52 Grackaroni wrote: Right now I see Calix spending more time playing traffic cop than pushing her own thing, so that worries me a bit. I'm engaging with one of my scum-reads so I don't understand how you concluded this. I guess I just haven't remembered a single push from you yet. Then you're not paying attention. That statement is a more accurate assessment of your play than mine. But I don't usually put a lot of effort into pushing early game lynches and I think you usually do. I'll check later to see if that's the case.
I don't want to tunnel and I'm trying to improve on that front (like my last game on-site).
If you're reading my effort levels as AI then I have bad news for you. I'm super-busy/ diverting my energy into RL stuff (which I don't want to talk about, just saying that it's having an impact on my investment levels) so you are not going to see anything like the games that you've seen me in.
Also NU isn't in the game
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On January 08 2017 05:04 beentheredonethat wrote: Calix as you're easily the most active person here would you mind to drop a clear list of your top scum reads? Just names, no reasons. I want to know where you're at.
You claimed to have read my filter but you somehow missed the part where I stated that Boston, ME and Vivax/ Grack are my scum-reads??? Or the posts I made about them?
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On January 08 2017 05:04 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 04:56 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 04:50 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 04:46 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 04:43 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 04:38 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 04:36 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 04:29 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 06 2017 09:02 KelsierSC wrote: yeeeehhhhhhh booooiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii ksc most likely town for this. he hates playing scum afaik. That's a bad read and you should know that Is this implying a scum-read? Also when are you going to respond to my post? I just figured you had fucked off. Yea no I have plenty of content going and all you do is focus on the one I don't decide on expanding on and won't for my own reasons which are explained. You could talk about anything in my filter but if you only ever choose to pick the stuff I don't want to talk about, you're not going to get a reply. If you don't want to expand on it then why bring it up in the first place? You've already seen how well that worked when Grack did something similar. FMPOV it looks like you made that read on me to doubt-cast given that it was posted after BTDT gave me a town-read and then you said that his KSC read was bad also. That's why I want to know your reasoning. Yes you see some sort of connection in why I'm bringing it up but don't want to also consider the possibility that it's simply a thought that occurred to me during the game. You might have noticed how in my analysis of DFs post I paid attention to also seeing his post as coming from a town PoV, then explained why I thought it was the more unlikely point of view. Like right now you are seeing my post as only coming from a mafia point of view where I want to cast doubt on you. But it could as well simply be true that I genuinely thought that and wanted to get the thought into the game. That's how I play. I look for shit that makes sense from mafia POV and push that. I don't think it's a bad thing and don't need a lecture on how to play as town. You say it's a genuine read but I don't get why town would bring up a read that they think and then be reluctant to expand on it. If you could explain that to me so I can factor that into how I read you then that would be great. In the earlier post I said that it could make me tinfoil that one of the more active players is mafia. There have been past instances where I created a whole lot of fuss over nothing cause the super active player I was sure was some mastermind mafia turned out to be simply town. There's a reason I have a bunch of people quoting me as insane in my profile and that's probably the biggest. I used to like to go after very active players, completely disregarding everyone's opinion, so now I'm more conscious about that aspect and that's why I try to suppress the thought that you could be mafia this early.
Stating tinfoil isn't going to lead to disruption if you state it's tinfoil, I don't think. TT does it all the time, for example, and if you state your read now then I can clarify why you're wrong
I don't know how you play town as I've only ever seen you as mafia.
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Is it bad that reading BTDT's giant case makes me less sure that Boston is scum? BTDT doesn't point out the same things that I did, I think some of the things he said aren't scum-indicative and the only new (valid) point that BTDT brings to the table is with the last part.
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On January 08 2017 05:15 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:11 Calix wrote: Is it bad that reading BTDT's giant case makes me less sure that Boston is scum? BTDT doesn't point out the same things that I did, I think some of the things he said aren't scum-indicative and the only new (valid) point that BTDT brings to the table is with the last part. To be fair, I don't know the exact reasons why you scumread him. But to be even more fair, I'm not too confident in my first points myself. However, reading this filter overall gives me a feeling of dodgy, lurky scum that is overexplaining things and overjustifying reads. Also, when called out (Onegu vote), he backs off. That's basically a TL;DR of what I really think but as I simply quoted his filter, I felt like I had to quote posts and explain why they are scummy.
I'm not saying that you have to know my reasoning, I'm saying that you didn't bring up similar reasons to me so we're not on the same wavelength when it comes to Boston.
Why did you feel obligated to quote posts and explain how they are scummy? Your wording in your last line is off to me.
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On January 08 2017 05:20 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:16 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 05:10 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:09 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 05:01 beentheredonethat wrote:The huge case on - B0stonSC + Show Spoiler [TL;DR] +So, first: On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote: Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This is on page 9. He has like 5 pages or so to go for. 10 minutes later, he posts as the very first thing an answer to the questionnaire. That's it. Off to a re-read it is: On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) Question is, why would you re-read the game at this stage? Maybe you missed a big scum-tell or a TMI call even? Was there a blue claim or something? But okay, if you have to re-read, you re-read. But why tell the world about it? Why not just re-read? To have something to say. Out of the re-read comes a Onegu vote: On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
There's no reasoning. On the contrary, it's even the first person to have claimed something. Note how Onegu has made 3(!) posts in total (if I got the timestamps correctly). Here they are: + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim On January 06 2017 09:39 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Could you not I could. I did. Dont know what you want here... On January 06 2017 09:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Why? Why not? This is not really AI for the Onegu I got to know but of course it's very easy for someone who's new to the site to interpret this as scummy. So easy vote. And then, the only contribution to the thread before he leaves: On January 06 2017 15:32 B0stonSC wrote: The hell is a zj? Wow. Awesome! When he returns, he doublechecks for his vote which is NAI imho, so pass. But apparently, the guys has caught up: On January 07 2017 07:32 B0stonSC wrote: Okay, so after catching up, I have a few things to respond on.
First, as to why I am not more active, is that I have not a whole lot of time to play mafia during the week, so what I am doing is catching up, responding to everything I feel needs a response, giving my reads, then getting back off. You may flame me for this, but unless it's the weekend this will be how I play. I do have a life you know, but mafia is a lot of fun (which is why I wanted to play it).
As to why I voted Onegu (asked three times, by my count), he has made a claim (with the first post of the game) and then posted a non informative post. That's all he has done. I wanted to see what happens if he gets a bit of pressure on him, but after this amount of time I feel that he is just inactive.
On to my reads, Kmatt feels very much a scummy player to me becuase he is posting quite a bit now, but it doesn't feel like he is accomplishing anything. DarthFoley seems waaaay too defensive, so that seems odd, but I'll keep looking at him so I can get a more solid read. Vivax and MichaelEhrmantraut seem a bit off. Nothing suspicious, but just a bit not quite correct to me. This is more of a gut read than anything else, so I'll be doing a reread (probably today) for just them to see what's up. The thing is, we HAVE weekend and there's literally nothing that improved in terms of activity so there's a lie. He's not even around right now, or is he. He explains the Onegu vote with "I want to pressure him" which should be a good idea. But if you're absolutely not grounding your pressure on anything, how is it real pressure? It will work out against you and I assume that he'll know that. His reads are off. Like, here's a "gut feeling", there's a "seems off" , there's a "seems odd", but he'll of course keep looking at them. That's so wishy washy. Absolutely not liking that. Promises another reread.... On January 07 2017 07:37 B0stonSC wrote: Oh, a vote on me! Well, my entrance was terrible, I do admit, but I did address why I did not follow up on Onegu (I just voted to see if he was here, apparently not). I also admit that I am not the most active right now, that's just due to real life. Just read my post here, but the TLDR is REAL LIFE limits my weekday activity. Yeah now it's weekend where are you On January 07 2017 07:43 B0stonSC wrote: Oh I'm definately going to switch my vote, I'm just torn as to who. As soon as I can finish my read throughs, I'll post again about my reads. One more note, tommorrow I won't be online until about 2 hours before the deadline. I am sorry about this, but real life takes up a lot of my time. I'M NOT VOTING ONEGU BECAUSE PEOPLE SCUMREAD ME FOR IT GEEZ GUYS IM NOT DOING IT I CANT BE SCUM this guy is scum I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around why people think his vote on Onegu is scummy. I've pointed it out before but I feel like New scum would be very worried about not getting attention on them, and an early vote does the opposite. Also @ everyone scum reading him for the weekend comment, KSC did LITERALLY the same thing but many people including you, btdt, are town reading him. I don't get why the same action is providing two different conclusions for two different players Where is KSC doing the same thing? I'm still catching up so I might've just missed it. On January 06 2017 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:57 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:55 KelsierSC wrote:
so how you reading ika atm? Slight townread based on posting the questions to get us talking and his activity and interest in the game so far. But he may be just copying his town meta so I'm keeping an eye on him still. yeh...like if i was you that is what I would be thinking if I was town. i have to go into work tomorrow unfortunately but only for like 1hr so should be on tomorrow.I know it seems like i've just been jerking off in the thread, and whilst this is true I think Calix, silver and ika are probably town and everyone else is kind of blegh. Grak is mafia though, im pretty happy with my vote at the moment. That was like a day and a half ago But that's not the same thing. Boston said literally that he's low activity because it's under the week. He ALSO said that he'd be playing on the weekend, ESPECIALLY since he enjoys playing the game so much. But he's not doing so. I'm calling him out on that mainly to summon him to the thread if he's lurking but apparently that's not working. Maybe he's just out because it's saturday evening with some friends and having a beer or two. KSC on the other hand is definitely the guy to simply not give a fuck about what's going on as either alignment tbh. Like, if you say "i should be there" but aren't, I think that's fair and square and NAI, but if you say "I LOVE the game and I WILL BE THERE ON THE WEEKEND AND PLAY" and then there's no word on you - that's not cool. However by now he should be there and as active and outspoken as he promised so I assume him not being there is actually legit. hmm there must be a whole in mny thinking somewhere.
Boston legit said that he wouldn't be around until 2hrs before EOD iirc. Again, you are not reading the thread closely and this is on the guy you made a literal ISO on.
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On January 08 2017 05:24 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:22 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 05:20 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:16 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 05:10 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:09 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 05:01 beentheredonethat wrote:The huge case on - B0stonSC + Show Spoiler [TL;DR] +So, first: On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote: Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This is on page 9. He has like 5 pages or so to go for. 10 minutes later, he posts as the very first thing an answer to the questionnaire. That's it. Off to a re-read it is: On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) Question is, why would you re-read the game at this stage? Maybe you missed a big scum-tell or a TMI call even? Was there a blue claim or something? But okay, if you have to re-read, you re-read. But why tell the world about it? Why not just re-read? To have something to say. Out of the re-read comes a Onegu vote: On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
There's no reasoning. On the contrary, it's even the first person to have claimed something. Note how Onegu has made 3(!) posts in total (if I got the timestamps correctly). Here they are: + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim On January 06 2017 09:39 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Could you not I could. I did. Dont know what you want here... On January 06 2017 09:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Why? Why not? This is not really AI for the Onegu I got to know but of course it's very easy for someone who's new to the site to interpret this as scummy. So easy vote. And then, the only contribution to the thread before he leaves: On January 06 2017 15:32 B0stonSC wrote: The hell is a zj? Wow. Awesome! When he returns, he doublechecks for his vote which is NAI imho, so pass. But apparently, the guys has caught up: On January 07 2017 07:32 B0stonSC wrote: Okay, so after catching up, I have a few things to respond on.
First, as to why I am not more active, is that I have not a whole lot of time to play mafia during the week, so what I am doing is catching up, responding to everything I feel needs a response, giving my reads, then getting back off. You may flame me for this, but unless it's the weekend this will be how I play. I do have a life you know, but mafia is a lot of fun (which is why I wanted to play it).
As to why I voted Onegu (asked three times, by my count), he has made a claim (with the first post of the game) and then posted a non informative post. That's all he has done. I wanted to see what happens if he gets a bit of pressure on him, but after this amount of time I feel that he is just inactive.
On to my reads, Kmatt feels very much a scummy player to me becuase he is posting quite a bit now, but it doesn't feel like he is accomplishing anything. DarthFoley seems waaaay too defensive, so that seems odd, but I'll keep looking at him so I can get a more solid read. Vivax and MichaelEhrmantraut seem a bit off. Nothing suspicious, but just a bit not quite correct to me. This is more of a gut read than anything else, so I'll be doing a reread (probably today) for just them to see what's up. The thing is, we HAVE weekend and there's literally nothing that improved in terms of activity so there's a lie. He's not even around right now, or is he. He explains the Onegu vote with "I want to pressure him" which should be a good idea. But if you're absolutely not grounding your pressure on anything, how is it real pressure? It will work out against you and I assume that he'll know that. His reads are off. Like, here's a "gut feeling", there's a "seems off" , there's a "seems odd", but he'll of course keep looking at them. That's so wishy washy. Absolutely not liking that. Promises another reread.... On January 07 2017 07:37 B0stonSC wrote: Oh, a vote on me! Well, my entrance was terrible, I do admit, but I did address why I did not follow up on Onegu (I just voted to see if he was here, apparently not). I also admit that I am not the most active right now, that's just due to real life. Just read my post here, but the TLDR is REAL LIFE limits my weekday activity. Yeah now it's weekend where are you On January 07 2017 07:43 B0stonSC wrote: Oh I'm definately going to switch my vote, I'm just torn as to who. As soon as I can finish my read throughs, I'll post again about my reads. One more note, tommorrow I won't be online until about 2 hours before the deadline. I am sorry about this, but real life takes up a lot of my time. I'M NOT VOTING ONEGU BECAUSE PEOPLE SCUMREAD ME FOR IT GEEZ GUYS IM NOT DOING IT I CANT BE SCUM this guy is scum I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around why people think his vote on Onegu is scummy. I've pointed it out before but I feel like New scum would be very worried about not getting attention on them, and an early vote does the opposite. Also @ everyone scum reading him for the weekend comment, KSC did LITERALLY the same thing but many people including you, btdt, are town reading him. I don't get why the same action is providing two different conclusions for two different players Where is KSC doing the same thing? I'm still catching up so I might've just missed it. On January 06 2017 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:57 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:55 KelsierSC wrote:
so how you reading ika atm? Slight townread based on posting the questions to get us talking and his activity and interest in the game so far. But he may be just copying his town meta so I'm keeping an eye on him still. yeh...like if i was you that is what I would be thinking if I was town. i have to go into work tomorrow unfortunately but only for like 1hr so should be on tomorrow.I know it seems like i've just been jerking off in the thread, and whilst this is true I think Calix, silver and ika are probably town and everyone else is kind of blegh. Grak is mafia though, im pretty happy with my vote at the moment. That was like a day and a half ago But that's not the same thing. Boston said literally that he's low activity because it's under the week. He ALSO said that he'd be playing on the weekend, ESPECIALLY since he enjoys playing the game so much. But he's not doing so. I'm calling him out on that mainly to summon him to the thread if he's lurking but apparently that's not working. Maybe he's just out because it's saturday evening with some friends and having a beer or two. KSC on the other hand is definitely the guy to simply not give a fuck about what's going on as either alignment tbh. Like, if you say "i should be there" but aren't, I think that's fair and square and NAI, but if you say "I LOVE the game and I WILL BE THERE ON THE WEEKEND AND PLAY" and then there's no word on you - that's not cool. However by now he should be there and as active and outspoken as he promised so I assume him not being there is actually legit. hmm there must be a whole in mny thinking somewhere. Boston legit said that he wouldn't be around until 2hrs before EOD iirc. Again, you are not reading the thread closely and this is on the guy you made a literal ISO on. Not denying that. Catching up is a lot of work, and limiting myself to reading is boring, so I try to pick away at things. That has the advantage that it also gets other people to think (such as you) which again provides content to the game and makes people more readable. What's an ISO? Also you're too focused on activity. See the post I did to darthfoley and think about what I said there, I still think there are valid points.
ISO can either mean a filter or someone commenting on every single post that someone has made (this is bad).
lol at you, the person who has spent a lot of time talking about his own activity, Boston's activity, etc calling me too focused on activity xD I don't think I have been tbh.
Your wording still pings me ("pick away at things" in this incident) - it sounds opportunistic imo.
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On January 08 2017 05:29 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:26 SilverWolf77 wrote: @Vivax-Why is Grackaroni town? I don't see anything, since he's come back to the thread to make me think he's trying to move the game forward. If anything, he's continuing to pick fights with ika and complaining about it. Reading his filter, I don't see anything that makes me want to give him a townread. No strong pushes, no strong reads, constant arguing with one of his townreads. What am I missing? It's very subjective but he's the only one who stood up for me when he didn't have any reason to if he were mafia. And I can totally understand his frustration when dealing with you and ika cause I've been through that too.
Is white-knighting not a possibility to you? Why?
As someone who has played with ika/ SW before, I think that's a typical emotion to feel
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reps, has your read on Grack changed at all? If not, what makes Boston scummier?
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On January 08 2017 05:32 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:27 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 05:24 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:22 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 05:20 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:16 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 05:10 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:09 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 05:01 beentheredonethat wrote:The huge case on - B0stonSC + Show Spoiler [TL;DR] +So, first: On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote: Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This is on page 9. He has like 5 pages or so to go for. 10 minutes later, he posts as the very first thing an answer to the questionnaire. That's it. Off to a re-read it is: On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) Question is, why would you re-read the game at this stage? Maybe you missed a big scum-tell or a TMI call even? Was there a blue claim or something? But okay, if you have to re-read, you re-read. But why tell the world about it? Why not just re-read? To have something to say. Out of the re-read comes a Onegu vote: On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
There's no reasoning. On the contrary, it's even the first person to have claimed something. Note how Onegu has made 3(!) posts in total (if I got the timestamps correctly). Here they are: + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim On January 06 2017 09:39 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Could you not I could. I did. Dont know what you want here... On January 06 2017 09:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Why? Why not? This is not really AI for the Onegu I got to know but of course it's very easy for someone who's new to the site to interpret this as scummy. So easy vote. And then, the only contribution to the thread before he leaves: On January 06 2017 15:32 B0stonSC wrote: The hell is a zj? Wow. Awesome! When he returns, he doublechecks for his vote which is NAI imho, so pass. But apparently, the guys has caught up: On January 07 2017 07:32 B0stonSC wrote: Okay, so after catching up, I have a few things to respond on.
First, as to why I am not more active, is that I have not a whole lot of time to play mafia during the week, so what I am doing is catching up, responding to everything I feel needs a response, giving my reads, then getting back off. You may flame me for this, but unless it's the weekend this will be how I play. I do have a life you know, but mafia is a lot of fun (which is why I wanted to play it).
As to why I voted Onegu (asked three times, by my count), he has made a claim (with the first post of the game) and then posted a non informative post. That's all he has done. I wanted to see what happens if he gets a bit of pressure on him, but after this amount of time I feel that he is just inactive.
On to my reads, Kmatt feels very much a scummy player to me becuase he is posting quite a bit now, but it doesn't feel like he is accomplishing anything. DarthFoley seems waaaay too defensive, so that seems odd, but I'll keep looking at him so I can get a more solid read. Vivax and MichaelEhrmantraut seem a bit off. Nothing suspicious, but just a bit not quite correct to me. This is more of a gut read than anything else, so I'll be doing a reread (probably today) for just them to see what's up. The thing is, we HAVE weekend and there's literally nothing that improved in terms of activity so there's a lie. He's not even around right now, or is he. He explains the Onegu vote with "I want to pressure him" which should be a good idea. But if you're absolutely not grounding your pressure on anything, how is it real pressure? It will work out against you and I assume that he'll know that. His reads are off. Like, here's a "gut feeling", there's a "seems off" , there's a "seems odd", but he'll of course keep looking at them. That's so wishy washy. Absolutely not liking that. Promises another reread.... On January 07 2017 07:37 B0stonSC wrote: Oh, a vote on me! Well, my entrance was terrible, I do admit, but I did address why I did not follow up on Onegu (I just voted to see if he was here, apparently not). I also admit that I am not the most active right now, that's just due to real life. Just read my post here, but the TLDR is REAL LIFE limits my weekday activity. Yeah now it's weekend where are you On January 07 2017 07:43 B0stonSC wrote: Oh I'm definately going to switch my vote, I'm just torn as to who. As soon as I can finish my read throughs, I'll post again about my reads. One more note, tommorrow I won't be online until about 2 hours before the deadline. I am sorry about this, but real life takes up a lot of my time. I'M NOT VOTING ONEGU BECAUSE PEOPLE SCUMREAD ME FOR IT GEEZ GUYS IM NOT DOING IT I CANT BE SCUM this guy is scum I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around why people think his vote on Onegu is scummy. I've pointed it out before but I feel like New scum would be very worried about not getting attention on them, and an early vote does the opposite. Also @ everyone scum reading him for the weekend comment, KSC did LITERALLY the same thing but many people including you, btdt, are town reading him. I don't get why the same action is providing two different conclusions for two different players Where is KSC doing the same thing? I'm still catching up so I might've just missed it. On January 06 2017 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:57 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:55 KelsierSC wrote:
so how you reading ika atm? Slight townread based on posting the questions to get us talking and his activity and interest in the game so far. But he may be just copying his town meta so I'm keeping an eye on him still. yeh...like if i was you that is what I would be thinking if I was town. i have to go into work tomorrow unfortunately but only for like 1hr so should be on tomorrow.I know it seems like i've just been jerking off in the thread, and whilst this is true I think Calix, silver and ika are probably town and everyone else is kind of blegh. Grak is mafia though, im pretty happy with my vote at the moment. That was like a day and a half ago But that's not the same thing. Boston said literally that he's low activity because it's under the week. He ALSO said that he'd be playing on the weekend, ESPECIALLY since he enjoys playing the game so much. But he's not doing so. I'm calling him out on that mainly to summon him to the thread if he's lurking but apparently that's not working. Maybe he's just out because it's saturday evening with some friends and having a beer or two. KSC on the other hand is definitely the guy to simply not give a fuck about what's going on as either alignment tbh. Like, if you say "i should be there" but aren't, I think that's fair and square and NAI, but if you say "I LOVE the game and I WILL BE THERE ON THE WEEKEND AND PLAY" and then there's no word on you - that's not cool. However by now he should be there and as active and outspoken as he promised so I assume him not being there is actually legit. hmm there must be a whole in mny thinking somewhere. Boston legit said that he wouldn't be around until 2hrs before EOD iirc. Again, you are not reading the thread closely and this is on the guy you made a literal ISO on. Not denying that. Catching up is a lot of work, and limiting myself to reading is boring, so I try to pick away at things. That has the advantage that it also gets other people to think (such as you) which again provides content to the game and makes people more readable. What's an ISO? Also you're too focused on activity. See the post I did to darthfoley and think about what I said there, I still think there are valid points. ISO can either mean a filter or someone commenting on every single post that someone has made (this is bad). lol at you, the person who has spent a lot of time talking about his own activity, Boston's activity, etc calling me too focused on activity xD I don't think I have been tbh. Your wording still pings me ("pick away at things" in this incident) - it sounds opportunistic imo. Opportunistic would mean that I do what everyone does which I clearly do not do. I pretty much hit in any direction right now. Also yes, I have talked about activity but mainly because you calling my entry shit made me explain additional stuff about it. This is again borderline close to throwing shit on each other so let's stop it here. So would you now please go and read the posts I quoted to darthfoley instead of bantering around?
Which posts are you talking about?
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On January 08 2017 05:33 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:21 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:16 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 05:10 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:09 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 05:01 beentheredonethat wrote:The huge case on - B0stonSC + Show Spoiler [TL;DR] +So, first: On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote: Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This is on page 9. He has like 5 pages or so to go for. 10 minutes later, he posts as the very first thing an answer to the questionnaire. That's it. Off to a re-read it is: On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) Question is, why would you re-read the game at this stage? Maybe you missed a big scum-tell or a TMI call even? Was there a blue claim or something? But okay, if you have to re-read, you re-read. But why tell the world about it? Why not just re-read? To have something to say. Out of the re-read comes a Onegu vote: On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
There's no reasoning. On the contrary, it's even the first person to have claimed something. Note how Onegu has made 3(!) posts in total (if I got the timestamps correctly). Here they are: + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim On January 06 2017 09:39 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Could you not I could. I did. Dont know what you want here... On January 06 2017 09:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Why? Why not? This is not really AI for the Onegu I got to know but of course it's very easy for someone who's new to the site to interpret this as scummy. So easy vote. And then, the only contribution to the thread before he leaves: On January 06 2017 15:32 B0stonSC wrote: The hell is a zj? Wow. Awesome! When he returns, he doublechecks for his vote which is NAI imho, so pass. But apparently, the guys has caught up: On January 07 2017 07:32 B0stonSC wrote: Okay, so after catching up, I have a few things to respond on.
First, as to why I am not more active, is that I have not a whole lot of time to play mafia during the week, so what I am doing is catching up, responding to everything I feel needs a response, giving my reads, then getting back off. You may flame me for this, but unless it's the weekend this will be how I play. I do have a life you know, but mafia is a lot of fun (which is why I wanted to play it).
As to why I voted Onegu (asked three times, by my count), he has made a claim (with the first post of the game) and then posted a non informative post. That's all he has done. I wanted to see what happens if he gets a bit of pressure on him, but after this amount of time I feel that he is just inactive.
On to my reads, Kmatt feels very much a scummy player to me becuase he is posting quite a bit now, but it doesn't feel like he is accomplishing anything. DarthFoley seems waaaay too defensive, so that seems odd, but I'll keep looking at him so I can get a more solid read. Vivax and MichaelEhrmantraut seem a bit off. Nothing suspicious, but just a bit not quite correct to me. This is more of a gut read than anything else, so I'll be doing a reread (probably today) for just them to see what's up. The thing is, we HAVE weekend and there's literally nothing that improved in terms of activity so there's a lie. He's not even around right now, or is he. He explains the Onegu vote with "I want to pressure him" which should be a good idea. But if you're absolutely not grounding your pressure on anything, how is it real pressure? It will work out against you and I assume that he'll know that. His reads are off. Like, here's a "gut feeling", there's a "seems off" , there's a "seems odd", but he'll of course keep looking at them. That's so wishy washy. Absolutely not liking that. Promises another reread.... On January 07 2017 07:37 B0stonSC wrote: Oh, a vote on me! Well, my entrance was terrible, I do admit, but I did address why I did not follow up on Onegu (I just voted to see if he was here, apparently not). I also admit that I am not the most active right now, that's just due to real life. Just read my post here, but the TLDR is REAL LIFE limits my weekday activity. Yeah now it's weekend where are you On January 07 2017 07:43 B0stonSC wrote: Oh I'm definately going to switch my vote, I'm just torn as to who. As soon as I can finish my read throughs, I'll post again about my reads. One more note, tommorrow I won't be online until about 2 hours before the deadline. I am sorry about this, but real life takes up a lot of my time. I'M NOT VOTING ONEGU BECAUSE PEOPLE SCUMREAD ME FOR IT GEEZ GUYS IM NOT DOING IT I CANT BE SCUM this guy is scum I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around why people think his vote on Onegu is scummy. I've pointed it out before but I feel like New scum would be very worried about not getting attention on them, and an early vote does the opposite. Also @ everyone scum reading him for the weekend comment, KSC did LITERALLY the same thing but many people including you, btdt, are town reading him. I don't get why the same action is providing two different conclusions for two different players Where is KSC doing the same thing? I'm still catching up so I might've just missed it. On January 06 2017 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:57 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:55 KelsierSC wrote:
so how you reading ika atm? Slight townread based on posting the questions to get us talking and his activity and interest in the game so far. But he may be just copying his town meta so I'm keeping an eye on him still. yeh...like if i was you that is what I would be thinking if I was town. i have to go into work tomorrow unfortunately but only for like 1hr so should be on tomorrow.I know it seems like i've just been jerking off in the thread, and whilst this is true I think Calix, silver and ika are probably town and everyone else is kind of blegh. Grak is mafia though, im pretty happy with my vote at the moment. That was like a day and a half ago But okay. That's like one weakness in my case. Okay, point taken. What about the rest: On January 08 2017 05:17 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:13 reps)squishy wrote:On January 08 2017 05:01 beentheredonethat wrote:The huge case on - B0stonSC + Show Spoiler [TL;DR] +So, first: On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote: Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This is on page 9. He has like 5 pages or so to go for. 10 minutes later, he posts as the very first thing an answer to the questionnaire. That's it. Off to a re-read it is: On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) Question is, why would you re-read the game at this stage? Maybe you missed a big scum-tell or a TMI call even? Was there a blue claim or something? But okay, if you have to re-read, you re-read. But why tell the world about it? Why not just re-read? To have something to say. Out of the re-read comes a Onegu vote: On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
There's no reasoning. On the contrary, it's even the first person to have claimed something. Note how Onegu has made 3(!) posts in total (if I got the timestamps correctly). Here they are: + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim On January 06 2017 09:39 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Could you not I could. I did. Dont know what you want here... On January 06 2017 09:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Why? Why not? This is not really AI for the Onegu I got to know but of course it's very easy for someone who's new to the site to interpret this as scummy. So easy vote. And then, the only contribution to the thread before he leaves: On January 06 2017 15:32 B0stonSC wrote: The hell is a zj? Wow. Awesome! When he returns, he doublechecks for his vote which is NAI imho, so pass. But apparently, the guys has caught up: On January 07 2017 07:32 B0stonSC wrote: Okay, so after catching up, I have a few things to respond on.
First, as to why I am not more active, is that I have not a whole lot of time to play mafia during the week, so what I am doing is catching up, responding to everything I feel needs a response, giving my reads, then getting back off. You may flame me for this, but unless it's the weekend this will be how I play. I do have a life you know, but mafia is a lot of fun (which is why I wanted to play it).
As to why I voted Onegu (asked three times, by my count), he has made a claim (with the first post of the game) and then posted a non informative post. That's all he has done. I wanted to see what happens if he gets a bit of pressure on him, but after this amount of time I feel that he is just inactive.
On to my reads, Kmatt feels very much a scummy player to me becuase he is posting quite a bit now, but it doesn't feel like he is accomplishing anything. DarthFoley seems waaaay too defensive, so that seems odd, but I'll keep looking at him so I can get a more solid read. Vivax and MichaelEhrmantraut seem a bit off. Nothing suspicious, but just a bit not quite correct to me. This is more of a gut read than anything else, so I'll be doing a reread (probably today) for just them to see what's up. The thing is, we HAVE weekend and there's literally nothing that improved in terms of activity so there's a lie. He's not even around right now, or is he. He explains the Onegu vote with "I want to pressure him" which should be a good idea. But if you're absolutely not grounding your pressure on anything, how is it real pressure? It will work out against you and I assume that he'll know that. His reads are off. Like, here's a "gut feeling", there's a "seems off" , there's a "seems odd", but he'll of course keep looking at them. That's so wishy washy. Absolutely not liking that. Promises another reread.... On January 07 2017 07:37 B0stonSC wrote: Oh, a vote on me! Well, my entrance was terrible, I do admit, but I did address why I did not follow up on Onegu (I just voted to see if he was here, apparently not). I also admit that I am not the most active right now, that's just due to real life. Just read my post here, but the TLDR is REAL LIFE limits my weekday activity. Yeah now it's weekend where are you On January 07 2017 07:43 B0stonSC wrote: Oh I'm definately going to switch my vote, I'm just torn as to who. As soon as I can finish my read throughs, I'll post again about my reads. One more note, tommorrow I won't be online until about 2 hours before the deadline. I am sorry about this, but real life takes up a lot of my time. I'M NOT VOTING ONEGU BECAUSE PEOPLE SCUMREAD ME FOR IT GEEZ GUYS IM NOT DOING IT I CANT BE SCUM this guy is scum I do not think activity is AI. When it comes to low activity such as my self I try to be as substantive as possible to make up for it. B0stonSC on the other hand makes a big deal out of his activity, and his posts hold very little objective value. Thank you for presenting your views. I still hold the belief that Grack's intent to blow conversations up and to prevent people from making any progress on leads makes me feel like he is scum. I would say bad town play if he was a newbie, but he is on the veterans list. That's a major pain point. Yes, activity isn't always AI (although I think rule of thumb the more active a guy is the higher the chance of him flipping town is) but the way he's playing around his activity ("I'M HERE, I'M PLAYING, I'M JUST NOT ACTIVE BECAUSE IT'S NOT WEEKEND") is really weird. On January 08 2017 05:15 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:11 Calix wrote: Is it bad that reading BTDT's giant case makes me less sure that Boston is scum? BTDT doesn't point out the same things that I did, I think some of the things he said aren't scum-indicative and the only new (valid) point that BTDT brings to the table is with the last part. To be fair, I don't know the exact reasons why you scumread him. But to be even more fair, I'm not too confident in my first points myself. However, reading this filter overall gives me a feeling of dodgy, lurky scum that is overexplaining things and overjustifying reads. Also, when called out (Onegu vote), he backs off. That's basically a TL;DR of what I really think but as I simply quoted his filter, I felt like I had to quote posts and explain why they are scummy. These ones, Calix. Because activity is one aspect of the things I'm saying about Boston, here are other things I say. Let's discuss the case so we can either lynch the person or dismiss the case as bad. I am still confident in that read (also because it's a very easy read tbh which makes it dangerous)
Ninja'd.
Yes, his apologies for his activity are scummy as hell. He did that in his very first post which is suspicious because his first instinct is to try and make a NAI thing seem less suspicious.
I thought Onegu summed it up decently when he explained the discrepancy between Boston's vote and his later justification for it.
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On January 08 2017 05:35 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:31 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 05:29 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 05:26 SilverWolf77 wrote: @Vivax-Why is Grackaroni town? I don't see anything, since he's come back to the thread to make me think he's trying to move the game forward. If anything, he's continuing to pick fights with ika and complaining about it. Reading his filter, I don't see anything that makes me want to give him a townread. No strong pushes, no strong reads, constant arguing with one of his townreads. What am I missing? It's very subjective but he's the only one who stood up for me when he didn't have any reason to if he were mafia. And I can totally understand his frustration when dealing with you and ika cause I've been through that too. Is white-knighting not a possibility to you? Why? As someone who has played with ika/ SW before, I think that's a typical emotion to feel As mafia you want to white knight people who are influential or very unlikely to be lynched, so you will mostly attack townies who wrongly attack that sort of people. I don't really believe that I appeared to be that sort of person in the situation. White knighting people who instead are easy lynches is not what you want to do as mafia cause you are happy about any mislynch you can get over one of your teammates, so there's not really a point. It's still possible then but would be a misplay by the mafia.
Disagree on the first part as scum tend to defend townies who are at risk (because of TMI and scum guilt. Yeah it's poor play but they do it for psychological reasons more than strategic ones) and you were under a fair amount of pressure from SW/ ika. It's also a good way of looking like you're contributing. I agree that it's not optimal play but that doesn't change the fact that it happens a lot.
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On January 08 2017 05:36 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:31 Calix wrote: reps, has your read on Grack changed at all? If not, what makes Boston scummier? My scum leans are B0, Grack, and Vivax. B0- No objective posts. Grack- Deliberate intent to derail conversations which could lead to town reads. Believes we should only argue who is mafia and values not finding town reads. Vivax- Veteran player which defends people when a person should defend themselves.
What does "no objective posts" mean? If you had to order those reads from most to least scummy where would each player fall?
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On January 08 2017 05:41 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:36 reps)squishy wrote:On January 08 2017 05:31 Calix wrote: reps, has your read on Grack changed at all? If not, what makes Boston scummier? My scum leans are B0, Grack, and Vivax. B0- No objective posts. Grack- Deliberate intent to derail conversations which could lead to town reads. Believes we should only argue who is mafia and values not finding town reads. Vivax- Veteran player which defends people when a person should defend themselves. Why is someone with no posts more likely to be scum than someone who is derailing conversations where people are trying to get reads? I dislike this sudden attention to B0stonSC. I was scumreading him too but it's a weak player and an easy push to get the vote off of the stronger players who are acting scummy as well. I can totally see mafia coming in at the end of the day and trying to push the lynch like this.
Yeah it's bugging me too. I don't trust BTDT and reps seems like he's following the "most logical" person or some shit so I don't trust his judgment either. I would rather flip Vivax/ Grack at this rate.
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On January 08 2017 05:46 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:44 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 05:41 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 08 2017 05:36 reps)squishy wrote:On January 08 2017 05:31 Calix wrote: reps, has your read on Grack changed at all? If not, what makes Boston scummier? My scum leans are B0, Grack, and Vivax. B0- No objective posts. Grack- Deliberate intent to derail conversations which could lead to town reads. Believes we should only argue who is mafia and values not finding town reads. Vivax- Veteran player which defends people when a person should defend themselves. Why is someone with no posts more likely to be scum than someone who is derailing conversations where people are trying to get reads? I dislike this sudden attention to B0stonSC. I was scumreading him too but it's a weak player and an easy push to get the vote off of the stronger players who are acting scummy as well. I can totally see mafia coming in at the end of the day and trying to push the lynch like this. Yeah it's bugging me too. I don't trust BTDT and reps seems like he's following the "most logical" person or some shit so I don't trust his judgment either. I would rather flip Vivax/ Grack at this rate. You don't trust me but you want to flip Vivax who I just voted.
I wrote that before I saw your vote post. I was noting that Boston's wagon gained traction rather quickly.
(consider me unvoted btw, I just cba to switch tabs)
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On January 08 2017 05:48 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:46 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:44 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 05:41 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 08 2017 05:36 reps)squishy wrote:On January 08 2017 05:31 Calix wrote: reps, has your read on Grack changed at all? If not, what makes Boston scummier? My scum leans are B0, Grack, and Vivax. B0- No objective posts. Grack- Deliberate intent to derail conversations which could lead to town reads. Believes we should only argue who is mafia and values not finding town reads. Vivax- Veteran player which defends people when a person should defend themselves. Why is someone with no posts more likely to be scum than someone who is derailing conversations where people are trying to get reads? I dislike this sudden attention to B0stonSC. I was scumreading him too but it's a weak player and an easy push to get the vote off of the stronger players who are acting scummy as well. I can totally see mafia coming in at the end of the day and trying to push the lynch like this. Yeah it's bugging me too. I don't trust BTDT and reps seems like he's following the "most logical" person or some shit so I don't trust his judgment either. I would rather flip Vivax/ Grack at this rate. You don't trust me but you want to flip Vivax who I just voted. re: trusting me: check the games I played. I tend to have activity spikes anyways (and I'm fully aware that I am now the one talking about activity) and I have them as either alignment. So please if you decide if you can trust me or not (D1, you cannot trust anyone I guess) don't look too much on activity. Because if you do, you will most likely get to the conclusion that you can't trust me which is wrong because I'm town.
Dunno where you got the idea that I care about your activity as I haven't mentioned yours at all iirc. My reasons for being suspicious of you are clear as day.
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On January 08 2017 06:04 B0stonSC wrote: Onegu, my vote on you was to try and spur you into action. If I said, "Oh I'm voting Onegu to see if he'll be active" then it's not a good pressure vote.
Already explained that a vote with nothing to it is not pressure.
Do you have those reads you promised?
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On January 08 2017 06:06 Grackaroni wrote: There's no one left here.
I am the Doctor
This claim is very easily counter claimable and well worth it if I am scum. If there is no counter claim then for all intents and purposes I should be confirmed.
Swika town reads all of the people that agree with them and scum reads those that do not. At the rate we are going we will mow through the town.
TPR claim with 3 hours left in the day? Fan-fucking-tastic.
Unless someone counterclaims then I'm moving my vote to Vivax. I prefer him over KSC.
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Extremely poor play for scum to CC like that re: BTDT. D1 scum lynch, here we come :D
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On January 08 2017 06:18 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 06:16 Calix wrote: Extremely poor play for scum to CC like that re: BTDT. D1 scum lynch, here we come :D how long has it been scicne you had a d1 scum lynch calix?
Shh, don't rain on my parade xD
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Why the fuck would a VT counter-claim Medic? That's extremely anti-town given that the Medic would likely die at night.
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On January 08 2017 06:25 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 06:23 Calix wrote: Why the fuck would a VT counter-claim Medic? That's extremely anti-town given that the Medic would likely die at night. It happens very frequently.
Are you thinking this is the case here then?
I'm super confused as to how people's first reactions to a cc situation is "both of them are town"
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I think ika/ SW and myself are having the same culture shock tbh.
Fake ccs are extremely rare on our site.
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On January 08 2017 06:34 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 06:31 Calix wrote: I think ika/ SW and myself are having the same culture shock tbh.
Fake ccs are extremely rare on our site. I would trust BTDT to do such a thing cause he's 1) In two games, 2) His play is pretty f*ing weird this game and I don't know if he's a tilting town or rolled scum and sees no hope of winning or something. I'm just ignoring the claims cause Grack imo is simply town, claim or not, and mafia will sort it out for us at night cause they'd be stupid not to kill a doctor. As with most discussion around claims for lynching, it's mostly useless. I prefer sticking to the old plan and lynching Kelsier for his initial comment on the game and not being around as someone who is capable of caring as town.
No. One of them has to die because they'll cause too much disruption re: WIFOM.
Scum has RBer so they'll just claim that's why they were left alive and time will be wasted on discussing whether they're town or scum fake-claiming and blah blah blah.
I'd rather clear shit up right now.
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On January 08 2017 06:40 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 06:38 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 06:34 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 06:31 Calix wrote: I think ika/ SW and myself are having the same culture shock tbh.
Fake ccs are extremely rare on our site. I would trust BTDT to do such a thing cause he's 1) In two games, 2) His play is pretty f*ing weird this game and I don't know if he's a tilting town or rolled scum and sees no hope of winning or something. I'm just ignoring the claims cause Grack imo is simply town, claim or not, and mafia will sort it out for us at night cause they'd be stupid not to kill a doctor. As with most discussion around claims for lynching, it's mostly useless. I prefer sticking to the old plan and lynching Kelsier for his initial comment on the game and not being around as someone who is capable of caring as town. No. One of them has to die because they'll cause too much disruption re: WIFOM. Scum has RBer so they'll just claim that's why they were left alive and time will be wasted on discussing whether they're town or scum fake-claiming and blah blah blah. I'd rather clear shit up right now. Yes and spend the next two days on autopilot, and worst case they both flip town and town accomplished nothing besides mislynching the doctor while mafia can focus on picking off targets for their play and not their role. In all bluntess: Your plan sucks
Obviously we wouldn't just focus on those two for two days, that's burning time.
But there is no way that both of them can be allowed to live and disrupt discussion. Optimal play is to lynch the guy who got cc'd. That much is clear to me.
If he's the real medic then we'll go from there and I'll try to keep the weird "woo VTs cc all the time" argument that you guys seem to be using in mind but as it stands, I cannot fathom how fucking bad a play that is for VT to do.
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On January 08 2017 06:45 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 06:43 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 06:40 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 06:38 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 06:34 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 06:31 Calix wrote: I think ika/ SW and myself are having the same culture shock tbh.
Fake ccs are extremely rare on our site. I would trust BTDT to do such a thing cause he's 1) In two games, 2) His play is pretty f*ing weird this game and I don't know if he's a tilting town or rolled scum and sees no hope of winning or something. I'm just ignoring the claims cause Grack imo is simply town, claim or not, and mafia will sort it out for us at night cause they'd be stupid not to kill a doctor. As with most discussion around claims for lynching, it's mostly useless. I prefer sticking to the old plan and lynching Kelsier for his initial comment on the game and not being around as someone who is capable of caring as town. No. One of them has to die because they'll cause too much disruption re: WIFOM. Scum has RBer so they'll just claim that's why they were left alive and time will be wasted on discussing whether they're town or scum fake-claiming and blah blah blah. I'd rather clear shit up right now. Yes and spend the next two days on autopilot, and worst case they both flip town and town accomplished nothing besides mislynching the doctor while mafia can focus on picking off targets for their play and not their role. In all bluntess: Your plan sucks Obviously we wouldn't just focus on those two for two days, that's burning time. But there is no way that both of them can be allowed to live and disrupt discussion. Optimal play is to lynch the guy who got cc'd. That much is clear to me. If he's the real medic then we'll go from there and I'll try to keep the weird "woo VTs cc all the time" argument that you guys seem to be using in mind but as it stands, I cannot fathom how fucking bad a play that is for VT to do. Oh trust me, if both are VTs (or even one of them and other is doc) there will be an uproar coming from me post game.
You know it's bad when I actually agree with you, lol.
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On January 08 2017 06:47 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 06:39 Onegu wrote:On January 08 2017 06:17 Vivax wrote: I refuse to believe Grack is mafia. But I didn't have high expectations in a newbie game. You are free to lynch the wrong guys how you please. Not going to lie. That is bad claim timing from either alignment. He wasnt in the vote lead and I think votes were moving away from him... Yea I made the same point. I don't get it from either alignment
If it makes no sense from either alignment then it's usually from scum because there's no coherent town motivation.
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On January 08 2017 06:59 Vivax wrote: But I'm going to chill and just leave it at that impression cause I feel like I'd be jumping the gun calling you scum just for a single post.
You have a strange way of approaching the game in that case.
I found the post narrative-focused myself.
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Just realised something. We're going to run into a problem with the new players re: reading them. Most of them are going to have a hard time catching up with the thread given their low activity levels.
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On January 08 2017 07:07 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 07:04 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 06:50 Grackaroni wrote: I don't think there was anything wrong with the timing of my claim. I believe I was in the vote lead with Silverwolf and ika both voting me. That probably wasn't going to end well for me. Why do you think btdt is town cc? Because they usually are. And he seemed townie to me earlier. By not un-claiming though he is messing things up massively. Getting two townies lynched is not worth "saving the doctor from revealing himself."
Are you saying that BTDT was trying to role-swap you or something? I don't follow your argument.
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On January 08 2017 07:12 B0stonSC wrote: Well that seems rather sorted. is Instalynch a thing on this site?
It's plurality lynch for this game (and most games on this site).
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Why would you want to end the day early though?
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On January 08 2017 07:15 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 07:09 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 06:59 Vivax wrote: But I'm going to chill and just leave it at that impression cause I feel like I'd be jumping the gun calling you scum just for a single post. Isn't that exactly what you did with me? Why are you giving him a pass? I feel like you are posting like scum still, occasionally popping in to dump a post but not really seeming engaged. I can't get into some people's thick skulls though and stop them from lynching Grack, so might as well sit back and wait until they get what they want and fail at it. I'm already posting enough and flailing won't help when I have to get into a head made of concrete.
Can't remember if you talked about him but speaking of disengaged posting, what do you make of how kmatt posts?
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On January 08 2017 07:18 Kmatt wrote: Let the record show that I totally called something silly happening. There's one issue I have with the doc counterclaim: Mafia is told the setup, and only 2 of 4 PRs are in play.
Let's say I'm scum. If I need a last resort to swing votes off of me, I would always claim a PR that isn't in play (so if this game has Doc/Vig I could claim Cop). By claiming a role that mafia is fully aware is in play, they leave that loophole open for a counterclaim. Between a 3 man mafia team and coaches, I just can't see such and not obvious detail be overlooked. Either scum!Grack and his team are morons or BTDT just verified the guy's claim.
Or am I missing some key detail here?
A good point. However I think you're overlooking that scum might want to draw out a PR before they die, especially a Protective (means nothing stops scum from killing who they want, after all). People were starting to be wary of a Boston lynch and votes were starting to go on Grack at the time.
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On January 08 2017 07:25 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 07:23 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 07:18 Kmatt wrote: Let the record show that I totally called something silly happening. There's one issue I have with the doc counterclaim: Mafia is told the setup, and only 2 of 4 PRs are in play.
Let's say I'm scum. If I need a last resort to swing votes off of me, I would always claim a PR that isn't in play (so if this game has Doc/Vig I could claim Cop). By claiming a role that mafia is fully aware is in play, they leave that loophole open for a counterclaim. Between a 3 man mafia team and coaches, I just can't see such and not obvious detail be overlooked. Either scum!Grack and his team are morons or BTDT just verified the guy's claim.
Or am I missing some key detail here? A good point. However I think you're overlooking that scum might want to draw out a PR before they die, especially a Protective (means nothing stops scum from killing who they want, after all). People were starting to be wary of a Boston lynch and votes were starting to go on Grack at the time. There can only be one of vet/doc and one of vig/cop. If I was scum and claimed veteran then I would still be counterclaimed by the doctor.
I don't get how that counters what I said or what your point is. Pls clarify.
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On January 08 2017 07:26 darthfoley wrote: I honestly don't think Grack is the right lynch here. But I'm also voting for my scum read with another one of my scum reads so who the fuck knows
Did everyone leave the Boston lynch ONLY because of the claim cc thing?
Uh no. The Boston wagon became weirdly popular shortly beforehand and it was making me uneasy.
Given the events since then, I'm probably just overthinking that part of the thread.
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On January 08 2017 07:35 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 11:14 Grackaroni wrote:On January 06 2017 09:53 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 09:37 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Checking In.On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Could you not lets act like ive never played mafia for a min: why? and i dont want to hear the "oh it narrows PR" crap (yes this is a vaild reason but anyone will argue this). Yes it is sub optimal in general but why are you opposed to it? also obligatory vote silverwolfnow onto something i want everyone to answer are you town? how long have you played mafia? do you play elsewhere and if so where? What is your typical play style? how do you scumhunt/townhunt? do you know anyone here that you can read very well? to answer my own: yes about 4-5 years now on and off now my typical style is to kinda talk to people and interact with others to try to get reads. most times it helps to have someone i know so i can quickly bounce with someone if they are town or lynch them if they are scum (hi silver) kinda said as above, but to summarize it i hunt though interactions most of the time yes, i can read silverwolf very well though watching and having interactions. 1. no 2. back in the day 3. no 4. ? 5. ? 6. nope obligatory qeustion : why the vote ? I'm flagging up this post because I think it's a possible example of an inexperienced scum player struggling to enter the thread. I didn't even notice this dude had posted. - Using an easy way of entering the thread (via questionnaire thing) to make a post which doesn't tell us anything - Adds a completely useless question about the vote (the 'obligatory' part pings me here) - Does nothing afterwards I'd say the opposite of this. I think if he was a nervous, inexperienced scum player he would put more effort into trying to make his first post look good. So now that you are getting lynched, you changed your vote to me. Beats me. I hate how spammy this game is especially with Calix and BTDT posting literally single-line posts for 3 pages, its better to not talk than to just spew absolute BS which is what has been happening all game. Also with B0stonSC bandwagon-ing onto someone's scum-read of me, when all I have done is posted thrice. Also I don't understand why that questionnaire is being used as a way to scum-read me. Everyone who is/isn't town is obviously going to 'Yes' on the town thing. And i absolutely didn't know what to say on the rest of the questions. I am holding my vote until the deadline.
Your unexpected fire towards Grack is intriguing, but somehow I like it anyway.
I also find it interesting how you are aware of the thread events and how you appear given that you note multiple interactions relating to yourself.
What is the purpose behind holding your vote? Do you not have any scum-reads that you want to share or what have you?
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On January 08 2017 07:41 darthfoley wrote: ^ yea what's the point of reading the thread and then not interacting with anyone until near EoD.
And why do you like that Calix?
Mostly a tonal thing but that post felt honest with stuff like "I'd rather not post than spam" and his questionnaire reaction.
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That's not what I was hoping to see when I woke up, zzz. In any case, BTDT's 100% dying. Nothing more needs to be said there.
On January 08 2017 09:02 darthfoley wrote: Give me one reason not to fucking lynch btdt
On January 08 2017 09:04 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 09:02 darthfoley wrote: Give me one reason not to fucking lynch btdt The only one I can think of is that he's tilting and throwing as town. But it's still a nobrainer to do it and he will get my vote no matter what. Really sad that grack, a player I've known since Game of Thrones mafia and who has clearly shown his skill this game, had to go cause of him.
Noting this because you two were pretty adamant that BTDT vs Grack is TvT iirc and I don't get why Grack flipping Medic leads to this change in attitude.
(well actually that's not true but I want to hear your answers first)
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On January 08 2017 13:40 Vivax wrote:3) You need to open the nested quotes ika. Then it takes quite a bit of habit to learn to read that and find what you want, but the question was this: Which question? This question: 2) nope thats not what i said, i said you were implying i am town based on how you acted. theres a difference there How did I act? I asked Darthfoley out about his read on you. You think that implies a townread on you? Sorry, it doesn't. Hope that's out of the way now. My read on you anyhow is that you're probs town. I mean, you clearly care about the game. You seem interested into digging into things and so on. You also get emotional about the outcome. Overall that seems townie to me. For SW my read isn't as strong yet. The way she accused me of defending you earlier simply felt very unfair and like she was just trying to put words into my mouth. Then at some point she came back and the tone of the post sounded very different, so I found that a bit odd. It was somewhat less aggressive. Could be scum indicative as it would mean that her earlier conviction into what she accused me for was only a temporary act. To finish the post, I'm going to leave her at nullish/scummish for the time being. The post I found odd cause of the change in tonality is : + Show Spoiler +On January 07 2017 00:02 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:40 Vivax wrote: I don't have a read on ika so far and I don't need to have one to question darthfoley's read on him. No, you don't have to have a read on ika to say darthfoley's read on him is bad. I agree. The problem I have is the way you are doing it. Basically, ika no longer has to answer the suspicion because you interjected. Not only interjected but also defended ika by asking if darthfoley has his meta and implying that ika's questions are not scummy. You have a right to have an opinion on ika's questioning but the way you are doing it is very protective of ika. If you have no read of ika, this doesn't make much sense. I guess my gut just pinged hard off of that and also I think you interjected when someone was questioning someone else-I think Calix pointed this out already. Anyway, from my experience, scum like to do this because they get towncred for defending people they know are town. It's way too early to have a super strong opinion on someone's alignment, unless you know that alignment. Doesn't mean we can't have reads. We certainly can. But when I would of preferred to see ika answer the suspicion and engage with darth rather than have you interject. Sorry if I'm not explaining myself well. I'm tired and rambling right now. Be back in a little bit.
I think your reasons for town-reading ika are bad and you should reread him if your main reason is him being emotional and invested because that's more personality-indicative for him from what I've seen recently. (applies to SW to an extent as well)
As far as your SW tone read goes, I would like to know which posts you are comparing with the one you flagged up. Not convinced that it's scum-indicative as it stands due to that last line.
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 08 2017 17:59 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 06:43 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 06:40 reps)squishy wrote:On January 08 2017 06:30 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 06:25 Vivax wrote: So saying that darthfoley's read on ika looks forced equivals telling darthfoley to back off ika? What the hell is wrong with people's logic in this game? Squishyyyyyyyy Like I said let people argue. It is the only way for information to unravel. If someone wants to lynch them, then you can make a counter argument. Stopping a simple argument is suspicious in my eyes. You are dodging the main issue: 1) I can call someone scum for a read he makes. That doesn't stop his discussion with anyone else. 2) Calling his read on Ika forced doesn't equival defending Ika. If I told him "Your read on Ika is wrong, he's town" I'd be defending Ika. 1) You reserve the right to call someone scum for a read someone makes; it is actually important. Recognize the time that it comes does influence the direction it will go. Scenario 1- Player A makes argument/claim vs player B, player B defends himself against player A, then player C critics either A's argument/claim or comes to B's defense. Scenario 2- Player A makes argument vs player B, Player C critiques player A's argument/claim or defends player B before player B defends him/herself. 2) You are correct! But it prevents progress, a clear goal of the mafia. So I feel that you are guilty of Scenario 2. And why I do not like Scenario two is because any accusation could look absurd or "forced" if you do not hear a player's defense of him/herself. Critiquing someone's argument or claim prematurely prevents reads from unraveling whether it is a town or scum read. Here is the suspicious post in my opinion. Below the quote I will put the post into scenario format for clarity purposes. Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:07 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:43 Calix wrote: I sense I'll have an aneurysm at this rate.
DF, you seem sensible. What else have you noticed so far? I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Vivax-Why are you defending ika so early in the game? Key: Player A: DF, Player B: Ika Player C:Vivax When questioned by Calix Player A (DF) Makes argument against Player B (Ika) Before Player B (ika) Defends himself against player A (DF), Player C (Vivax) Critiques Player A's suspicions. And as a result Ika never responded to DF. I will reiterate my self. Vivax's premature defense of Ika prevented a potential read from being uncovered. So that is why I think Vivax's defense of other players is scummy. On January 08 2017 18:10 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 06:58 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 06:55 reps)squishy wrote: I have found Grack suspicious in the past. Now he claims doctor. Then BTDT claims doctor as well. I do not think both of them are town. I do not like the disorder Grack has created in past. I believe it was a scummy move to create confusion and prevent progress. I have to go work in a few minutes so I am firmly going to vote for Grack. ##Unvote ##Vote Grackaroni You sound like some bloated up politician just to jump on the most common pile. That makes this post pretty scummy. Grack was one of my scum leads for a while. His refusal to show Vivax was town was key to my suspicion. His view on arguments called for specific evidence which would not lead to town finding out other town. Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 12:04 Grackaroni wrote: That's not how mafia works. To lynch someone you have to convince people that they are mafia. In mafia I believe getting town reads is just as important as finding scum reads. It is important to know who to lynch and who not to lynch. Convincing people someone is town is important so that we know who our allies are. It is a game of informed minority vs uninformed majority. We want to make it an informed majority. Any read is a good read regardless of if it is a town or scum read. So that is why I originally suspected Grack. I unvoted Grack because of a lapse of judgement (hard to admit). At the time I felt that the lack of objectiveness and direction by Boston was highly AI. But that could easily be explained by newbie play. When the doctor claim came out I felt like Grack was actually the doc and my suspicions vanished. Then btdt cc'd. And that lead to my prior suspicions reemerging. I thought Grack was mafia, and that role call was a last ditch to save himself. And I took btdt's word for it at the time. I arrived at the conclusion to vote for Grack because of my own thought processes, and not being a populist politician as you accuse me of. Many of you will probably ask why is this coming out now and not earlier. It is because a mixture of work and car problems. Which includes car dying, failing to jump start it, installing a new battery, then having my car lose power because of a loose terminal, lastly getting towed. Anyway college for me will be starting on the 11th until then I will only have work to worry about. I hope that the substance of my posts make up for my sub-par activity.
Not sure what to make of reps right now. On the one hand, I like his first post as it makes sense with what he's been doing and is using his own logic even if it is unconventional.
My main problem with reps right now is that his posts relating to Grack/ BTDT seem narrative-like to me (that third paragraph particularly) and they're not showing the same type of analysis that his first post shows. I'm not 100% sure why that's the case. Possible that he was struggling to keep up with the thread and that's why his post quality dropped or it's his inexperience with claim analysis talking (although neither of those are AI). I am thinking the second one because of how his posts are written. I can't really put my finger on it but they're very...generic?...with how he approaches it. It's very basic "one of them must be lying so I'll vote the guy I scum-read earlier" reasoning.
It's also possible that he wanted to stay neutral in the drama but given that he makes it clear that he prefers Grack and it's just his reasoning that's weird, I think my other theories are more likely.
As it stands, I still think he's town because of his earlier posts but if this becomes a pattern then I'd reconsider.
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Boston looks like he is coasting. Here's what he does at EOD:
- Responds to the Onegu thing with an explanation that contradicts his stated reasoning at the time - Forms gut reads on people who were already being scum-read (this is scummy because he claimed to be reading up yet his thoughts conveniently match what the current thread consensus was, wtf) - Questions ME after other people do (lack of initiative with pushing his reads + blending) - Does not vote until Grack vs BTDT becomes a thing (see above point)
Looks like a classic case of scum blending in to me.
(also why the fuck would a townie would ask about whether ending the day early is possible when he still hadn't contributed at that point and said he was going to???)
The main thing redeeming him is that BTDT made that massive case against him and most of that didn't actually show scum motivation. That suggests they're not on a team since scummers would be more aware of their team-mates' scummy-ass behaviour.
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Although ME's large post was good tone-wise, his actions are questionable especially with his vote and wanting to "hold it until EOD" (before voting for Grack) which makes no sense for town to do (it literally makes you harder to read - a non-town trait). There is no reason to do that just for a vote at the end of a large wagon on a counterclaimed person and the fact that he leaves it until the very end of the day means that he doesn't have to explain why he preferred Grack > BTDT or give us much information re: votes/ people he wants dead.
As for the people on the KSC wagon, I actually think they're more likely to be town given how easy it is for scum to just hop on the Grack train with no consequences. I can't say that for sure, however, as neither of them were getting emotional about it or expressing a lot of frustration over Grack dying prior to the lynch (which is generally how town reacts to a town-read of theirs being lynched) but I also get why they might have been resigned to seeing Grack die. DF being paranoid about the wagons and the people voting on them is townie and it also reminds me of how he was around ExO last game we played. Meanwhile Vivax is either a townie who figured "fuck it nobody is listening to me anyway" or a scummer who knew Grack was town and was 'opposing' the lynch without actually trying to stop it. As said earlier, I'm leaning towards the former atm (also some of his posts reminded me of me in HM 3) but latter is possible given that he seems pretty "whatever" about who dies in general and not just in relation to Grack.
It's hard to know what to make of KSC himself at EOD since he wasn't around and his Grack vote was one from the early stages with trolly reasoning so there's nothing to analyse there. I think he's a good target for tomorrow in terms of forcing him to do stuff and spew his alignment.
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On January 09 2017 02:23 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:I have something to add about B0ston. I don't know if this has been missed. Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 07:12 B0stonSC wrote: Well that seems rather sorted. is Instalynch a thing on this site? If you are town why would you want an instalynch when there's a CC ? I think that holds for a lot of other people too. And Grack was one of the most vocal people here. Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 21:00 Calix wrote: Although ME's large post was good tone-wise, his actions are questionable especially with his vote and wanting to "hold it until EOD" (before voting for Grack) which makes no sense for town to do (it literally makes you harder to read - a non-town trait). There is no reason to do that just for a vote at the end of a large wagon on a counterclaimed person and the fact that he leaves it until the very end of the day means that he doesn't have to explain why he preferred Grack > BTDT or give us much information re: votes/ people he wants dead.
I wanted to hold it until EOD because i was reading through the posts, and to me Grack didn't look scum. I couldn't come up with anything conclusive about anyone else. And since you can't abstain here, I just voted. As such my one vote wasn't going to make any difference except give away information at that point.
Wait wtf.
Why are you concerned about "giving away information" with your votes if you're town?!
That's mafia rationale.
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On January 09 2017 01:54 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 19:26 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 13:40 Vivax wrote:3) You need to open the nested quotes ika. Then it takes quite a bit of habit to learn to read that and find what you want, but the question was this: How does that question have anything to do with your alignment? Which question? This question: But you have seen ikas meta yes? 2) nope thats not what i said, i said you were implying i am town based on how you acted. theres a difference there How did I act? I asked Darthfoley out about his read on you. You think that implies a townread on you? Sorry, it doesn't. Hope that's out of the way now. My read on you anyhow is that you're probs town. I mean, you clearly care about the game. You seem interested into digging into things and so on. You also get emotional about the outcome. Overall that seems townie to me. For SW my read isn't as strong yet. The way she accused me of defending you earlier simply felt very unfair and like she was just trying to put words into my mouth. Then at some point she came back and the tone of the post sounded very different, so I found that a bit odd. It was somewhat less aggressive. Could be scum indicative as it would mean that her earlier conviction into what she accused me for was only a temporary act. To finish the post, I'm going to leave her at nullish/scummish for the time being. The post I found odd cause of the change in tonality is : + Show Spoiler +On January 07 2017 00:02 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:40 Vivax wrote: I don't have a read on ika so far and I don't need to have one to question darthfoley's read on him. No, you don't have to have a read on ika to say darthfoley's read on him is bad. I agree. The problem I have is the way you are doing it. Basically, ika no longer has to answer the suspicion because you interjected. Not only interjected but also defended ika by asking if darthfoley has his meta and implying that ika's questions are not scummy. You have a right to have an opinion on ika's questioning but the way you are doing it is very protective of ika. If you have no read of ika, this doesn't make much sense. I guess my gut just pinged hard off of that and also I think you interjected when someone was questioning someone else-I think Calix pointed this out already. Anyway, from my experience, scum like to do this because they get towncred for defending people they know are town. It's way too early to have a super strong opinion on someone's alignment, unless you know that alignment. Doesn't mean we can't have reads. We certainly can. But when I would of preferred to see ika answer the suspicion and engage with darth rather than have you interject. Sorry if I'm not explaining myself well. I'm tired and rambling right now. Be back in a little bit. I think your reasons for town-reading ika are bad and you should reread him if your main reason is him being emotional and invested because that's more personality-indicative for him from what I've seen recently. (applies to SW to an extent as well)As far as your SW tone read goes, I would like to know which posts you are comparing with the one you flagged up. Not convinced that it's scum-indicative as it stands due to that last line. I question where you get the bolded for both me and SW. The last game you have played with us we were both scum and we both lacked emotions and investments in the thread So is there a game your refrencing here or where this that come form?
What I mean there is you raging at SP last game as mafia. I also recall you two were quite aggressive with your posts in Fringe in one of the universes or something (but I only skim-read that game so correct me if I'm wrong).
(also I disagree that SW was scum since she was uninformed neut in that game and didn't have info on who mafia were. afaik I have yet to see a mafia!SW so that's why I said it's less applicable to her)
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On January 09 2017 03:20 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 02:35 Calix wrote:On January 09 2017 02:23 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:I have something to add about B0ston. I don't know if this has been missed. On January 08 2017 07:12 B0stonSC wrote: Well that seems rather sorted. is Instalynch a thing on this site? If you are town why would you want an instalynch when there's a CC ? I think that holds for a lot of other people too. And Grack was one of the most vocal people here. On January 08 2017 21:00 Calix wrote: Although ME's large post was good tone-wise, his actions are questionable especially with his vote and wanting to "hold it until EOD" (before voting for Grack) which makes no sense for town to do (it literally makes you harder to read - a non-town trait). There is no reason to do that just for a vote at the end of a large wagon on a counterclaimed person and the fact that he leaves it until the very end of the day means that he doesn't have to explain why he preferred Grack > BTDT or give us much information re: votes/ people he wants dead.
I wanted to hold it until EOD because i was reading through the posts, and to me Grack didn't look scum. I couldn't come up with anything conclusive about anyone else. And since you can't abstain here, I just voted. As such my one vote wasn't going to make any difference except give away information at that point. Wait wtf. Why are you concerned about "giving away information" with your votes if you're town?! That's mafia rationale. I don't agree with your assessment. I would've readily abstained if I was given the choice. You focus on the part that suits your argument the most.
You literally say in your post "my vote wasn't going to make a difference except give away information". I'm asking you what motivation town has to hide information regarding votes because I do not see one at all. It is irrelevant whether you technically abstained by not voting or not because that still denies town information which you said was your motivation for abstaining.
It doesn't make sense for VT or blue because scum cannot discern roles from how people vote so that leaves one possibility which is mafia.
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On January 09 2017 03:30 beentheredonethat wrote: Well guys. It's very simple. I didn't buy the claim of Doctor so I chose to counterclaim. If it was a fakeclaim => great, scum down! If not - Doc down. Awkward but that was supposed to happen N1 anyways.
So you can go all nuts like "noooes, btdt you scummer" and lynch into the Cop that I am - OR you can chill the fuck out and play this game calmly.
Are you seriously claiming that you counterclaimed a Medic as the Cop?
What the actual fuck was the play there?
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On January 09 2017 04:21 SilverWolf77 wrote: btdt is scum flailing
If he's town he needs a game ban after this for griefing and borderline game throwing.
I have asked ME for reads twice now and he's ignored me. I say we lynch him after btdt. B0ston after that.
If these 3 are the scumteam, I wouldn't be surprised.
I don't think the scum team is Boston/ BTDT/ ME. The latter two make sense and I'm having a hard time finding fault with my arguments against them. With Boston, however, BTDT trying to get Boston lynched doesn't strike me as optimal scum play for SvS. I think the last mafia is more likely to be among the null people. Most likely one of KSC/ Onegu/ Vivax.
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BTDT's only purpose this game is to make everyone more tilted than a fat kid on a seesaw.
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On January 09 2017 04:49 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 04:21 SilverWolf77 wrote: btdt is scum flailing
If he's town he needs a game ban after this for griefing and borderline game throwing.
I have asked ME for reads twice now and he's ignored me. I say we lynch him after btdt. B0ston after that.
If these 3 are the scumteam, I wouldn't be surprised.
Why have you been pressuring me for a read ? I don't understand it. I'll give you my read, when I have one. Instead go read the thread and look at people who claimed they had a read and haven't given one. You are actually behaving exactly like squishy when it comes to asking people for reads.
"Don't look at my scummy behaviour, go look for people who are doing this other scummy thing instead!"
Who falls under your criteria of "claims to have a read without giving one" exactly?
Also lol at "why are you pressuring me for reads" in a game about analysing players by what they write.
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On January 09 2017 04:54 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 03:27 Calix wrote:On January 09 2017 03:20 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:On January 09 2017 02:35 Calix wrote:On January 09 2017 02:23 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:I have something to add about B0ston. I don't know if this has been missed. On January 08 2017 07:12 B0stonSC wrote: Well that seems rather sorted. is Instalynch a thing on this site? If you are town why would you want an instalynch when there's a CC ? I think that holds for a lot of other people too. And Grack was one of the most vocal people here. On January 08 2017 21:00 Calix wrote: Although ME's large post was good tone-wise, his actions are questionable especially with his vote and wanting to "hold it until EOD" (before voting for Grack) which makes no sense for town to do (it literally makes you harder to read - a non-town trait). There is no reason to do that just for a vote at the end of a large wagon on a counterclaimed person and the fact that he leaves it until the very end of the day means that he doesn't have to explain why he preferred Grack > BTDT or give us much information re: votes/ people he wants dead.
I wanted to hold it until EOD because i was reading through the posts, and to me Grack didn't look scum. I couldn't come up with anything conclusive about anyone else. And since you can't abstain here, I just voted. As such my one vote wasn't going to make any difference except give away information at that point. Wait wtf. Why are you concerned about "giving away information" with your votes if you're town?! That's mafia rationale. I don't agree with your assessment. I would've readily abstained if I was given the choice. You focus on the part that suits your argument the most. You literally say in your post "my vote wasn't going to make a difference except give away information". I'm asking you what motivation town has to hide information regarding votes because I do not see one at all. It is irrelevant whether you technically abstained by not voting or not because that still denies town information which you said was your motivation for abstaining. It doesn't make sense for VT or blue because scum cannot discern roles from how people vote so that leaves one possibility which is mafia. I had a misconception about the night phase, I thought we are not allowed to post during the night phase ( in an RL game you can't talk during night ...), so I thought that applied to this forum too. So, I thought why would you give away information just before night, because the topic would be locked up, until the next day phase.
But what information would be gained from you voting for someone that would help scum exactly?
Correct me if I'm wrong since I haven't played RL mafia but I find the insinuation that scummers use VCA to determine their night kills hilarious.
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On January 09 2017 04:58 Kmatt wrote: So if we're all in agreement that BTDT is long overdue for being mounted on a fence post, who do you think among potential scum is up for the following vote? B0ston and ME are the obvious choices but like Calix said I can't help but think at least one of the mafia is actively mucking the thread up. Granted this guy has his work cut out for him at the moment.
I want to hear your opinion first since this looks like a way to create doubt among the active players otherwise.
I for one do not think that the majority of the mafia are active. That's the simplest answer as scum have incentive to not post when town are arguing among each other and paranoia isn't going to help. We should focus on the lurkers/ players skirting by since they have a higher chance of being scum and seeing what people say about the lurkers will reveal more about the actives anyway.
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On January 09 2017 09:50 Kmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 09:43 ika42 wrote:On January 09 2017 09:36 Kmatt wrote:On January 09 2017 09:31 reps)squishy wrote:On January 09 2017 09:26 darthfoley wrote:On January 09 2017 09:22 reps)squishy wrote:On January 09 2017 09:19 beentheredonethat wrote: I got roleblocked. But noone is going to believe that anyways^^ so good night I am now leaning btdt as town. @Onegu: do you still stand by this statement? On January 08 2017 14:07 Onegu wrote: Just FYI 100% we lynch btdt tomorrow. Even though I give btdt a 30% chance of being scum. He has to be lynched. It is a terrible play as scum as scum could just shoot him. The only way it becomes a ok play is if they think the lynch would go from grack to a actual scum player. Even then its not great as btdt wasnt being looked at. I think it comes from town more often than not who thinks he will save the actual doctor from having to CC and then lynch scum and eat a bullet. Wanting to make the hero play. But this play needs to be punished. Plus a 30% chance to hit scum is fine. you're gonna have to explain that one to me. Why? I cannot see him making that up if he were scum... He's full of shit. I'm the vig and I blew my load on Vivax. Thought I was being clever but apparently all his shpeal about not surviving the night was true for more than one reason. How come you didnt shoot beentjeredonethat? We were all gonna vote him anyway. Seems like a waste of a shot.
I'm sorry, what?
You realise that's EXACTLY WHY BTDT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE SHOT.
Nobody else is getting lynched today.
Hell, we'd be lucky if people even feel pressure if we try pushing them since they know that BTDT's going to die at the end.
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Are kills even mandatory in this game? I always forget which rule applies to which game setups.
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Killing Vivax is a weird move, yes.
Are we going to figure out why it happened today? No.
We have no reliable information on the scum team's capacities aside from "they shot Vivax N1" which could have happened for any number of reasons at this point.
We're better off focusing on what's going on in the thread (aside from BTDT if possible) and figure out Vivax's death later imo. Too much speculative posting otherwise.
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On January 09 2017 10:26 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 10:18 SilverWolf77 wrote: It could be someone that knows Vivax and considers him a threat or it could be getting rid of a veteran player who was active in the thread.
Vivax did vote for ME and KelsierSC, suspected darthfoley, Squishy as well. I'd need to filter dive to see if there is anything else there. I would say this leans more toward Kelsier being scum fwiw as the vet that would shoot vivax.
What makes you conclude that exactly? Not terribly familiar with what the veterans in this game are like meta-wise.
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On January 09 2017 10:40 darthfoley wrote: No reason to go for the jackpot when we're already down a doc. Anyways there's nothing we can do about it now so let's focus on trying not to waste D2 by being super lazy and simply lynching btdt
I don't think your concerns are unreasonable given that Grack and Vivax were both town. However I'm not seeing anything in your post that suggests one/ both of them are doing this on purpose as opposed to townies who were just wrong on D1. It's typical of them to tag-team their scum-reads from my experience. As it stands, it's counterproductive to tinfoil this early. Not that this has ever stopped you, of course.
I'm sounding like a stodgy teacher here with lecturing but it's almost 2am, I kinda want to sleep and I think town needs a kick up the arse. Half the posts since Vivax's death have been NKA WIFOM, role speculation WIFOM and BTDT votes.
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On January 09 2017 11:05 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 10:48 Calix wrote:On January 09 2017 10:40 darthfoley wrote: No reason to go for the jackpot when we're already down a doc. Anyways there's nothing we can do about it now so let's focus on trying not to waste D2 by being super lazy and simply lynching btdt I don't think your concerns are unreasonable given that Grack and Vivax were both town. However I'm not seeing anything in your post that suggests one/ both of them are doing this on purpose as opposed to townies who were just wrong on D1. It's typical of them to tag-team their scum-reads from my experience. As it stands, it's counterproductive to tinfoil this early. Not that this has ever stopped you, of course. I'm sounding like a stodgy teacher here with lecturing but it's almost 2am, I kinda want to sleep and I think town needs a kick up the arse. Half the posts since Vivax's death have been NKA WIFOM, role speculation WIFOM and BTDT votes. Alright well show us the way, master + Show Spoiler +
While I'm skeptical of how accurate Onegu's point about KSC being incriminated by the NK is, I'll let it slide if it means more pressure on KSC for whenever he shows up. He is a rather large missing puzzle piece atm.
I think ME needs to be talked about more also, especially the damning points that I raised against him during the night and how he responded to that. Only SW/ ika really discussed that iirc.
In terms of how people ITT reacted to Vivax pre-death, I recall there being a bunch of scum-reads on Vivax shortly before he died. I think those people are more likely to be town because scum don't generally kill off their scum-reads as that's a waste of a potential ML. This is kinda WIFOM so I will check to see how they did it when I am properly awake and functioning though.
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On January 10 2017 03:55 ika42 wrote: wow this game died....
Still around? I'm free for a bit if you want to talk.
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On January 10 2017 04:26 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2017 04:18 Calix wrote:On January 10 2017 03:55 ika42 wrote: wow this game died.... Still around? I'm free for a bit if you want to talk. Somewhat. Ive been poping in and out and dealing with some stuff What do you think of ME doubling down on wanting to lynch me next.
I think it's an overreaction to your response. I can get being annoyed that someone's not cooperating with you if it was over a longer series of posts but given that wasn't the case, his reaction to "have you been reading the thread" is out of place.
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On January 10 2017 04:37 darthfoley wrote: Yea ME's response reminds me of Grack's response to similar questions. It actually kinda gives me towny vibes tbh. The tone seems pretty idgaf
I didn't read his emotional response as "idgaf" since he literally goes "lynch ika then me"
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On January 10 2017 04:40 ika42 wrote: if BTDT was flipped, who would you lynch next
lets do both town and scum flips just for argument sake
I want to lynch ME next regardless of how BTDT flips because of that fucking awful vote post.
If BTDT flips red then I would think that Boston is clear at least, otherwise I would reread Boston again. I don't recall BTDT having much substantial interaction with many other people - most of his filter is him bickering with me - so I hesitate to draw conclusions about other players from what he's said.
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On January 10 2017 04:45 darthfoley wrote: Well if btdt flips scum then i would be even more suspicious of the other people who were up for lynch. That would be b0ston and KSC iirc, cuz btdt would probably be a mafia goon trying to save his GF or RB from a D1 lynch.
If he flips town, i'm not sure where to look considering how bad of a play it was. Probably the people I was suspicious of pre claim/cc and those who didn't really take sides or sat it out. Not sure who that is yet, i'll take a look
I agree that scum would most likely have coasted through that shitshow of an EOD. Given that BTDT cc'd pretty damn quickly after Grack claimed, scummers would probably have been taken off-guard.
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I think it is extremely likely that all of SW/ DF/ ika are town. Even if there's like, one scum among you guys then I'm not too worried because if we work together to figure out the scum among the inactives then any 'deep wolves' will have to work with the townies and will have a hard time pushing a scum agenda without giving themselves away.
If we get into the mid/ late game with no scum flips then I'd be suspicious but I think arguing among ourselves is going to backfire right now.
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On January 10 2017 04:56 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 06:15 ika42 wrote: rep is partner trying to save grak.
calling it now Also wondering what you make of squishy atm, now that Grack flipped town
He's pretty weird. He has a strong start and I really liked the way he was approaching the game, felt legit to me. However he doesn't interact much with the thread and doesn't have a conversational way of posting so it's hard to get a feel for him. Even when he made some one-liners, he still talked like he had a stick up his arse. It sucks that we don't have any meta on him tbh. I don't think his Onegu post was that bad if you look at it out of context but his timing was whack and it doesn't fit with the rest of his filter imo. Given that, I have downgraded him to null for similar reasons to D1!kmatt.
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On January 10 2017 05:13 beentheredonethat wrote: You guys wasted D2. Congratulations. Not like I specifically asked you not to do that. #dropsMic #VTout
I'd take you more seriously if you contributed and didn't make inflammatory posts like this every other breath. You yourself consider that to be a scum tell.
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On January 10 2017 05:30 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2017 05:14 Calix wrote:On January 10 2017 04:56 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 06:15 ika42 wrote: rep is partner trying to save grak.
calling it now Also wondering what you make of squishy atm, now that Grack flipped town He's pretty weird. He has a strong start and I really liked the way he was approaching the game, felt legit to me. However he doesn't interact much with the thread and doesn't have a conversational way of posting so it's hard to get a feel for him. Even when he made some one-liners, he still talked like he had a stick up his arse. It sucks that we don't have any meta on him tbh. I don't think his Onegu post was that bad if you look at it out of context but his timing was whack and it doesn't fit with the rest of his filter imo. Given that, I have downgraded him to null for similar reasons to D1!kmatt. Noted. I will try to be more conversational. My posts in the past are bulky, because of real life time restraints. So my philosophy was quality over quantity. Right now aside from unanimously agreeing to lynch btdt, there are no leads. Therefore I will be more conversational!
Then make one. You have to be proactive if you want to get anywhere, although I'll grant you that most people will slack off because BTDT is 100% dying.
From what I recall, you have a scum-lean on Onegu, I take it? What do you make of his interactions with other players?
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On January 10 2017 06:01 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2017 05:37 Calix wrote:On January 10 2017 05:30 reps)squishy wrote:On January 10 2017 05:14 Calix wrote:On January 10 2017 04:56 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 06:15 ika42 wrote: rep is partner trying to save grak.
calling it now Also wondering what you make of squishy atm, now that Grack flipped town He's pretty weird. He has a strong start and I really liked the way he was approaching the game, felt legit to me. However he doesn't interact much with the thread and doesn't have a conversational way of posting so it's hard to get a feel for him. Even when he made some one-liners, he still talked like he had a stick up his arse. It sucks that we don't have any meta on him tbh. I don't think his Onegu post was that bad if you look at it out of context but his timing was whack and it doesn't fit with the rest of his filter imo. Given that, I have downgraded him to null for similar reasons to D1!kmatt. Noted. I will try to be more conversational. My posts in the past are bulky, because of real life time restraints. So my philosophy was quality over quantity. Right now aside from unanimously agreeing to lynch btdt, there are no leads. Therefore I will be more conversational! Then make one. You have to be proactive if you want to get anywhere, although I'll grant you that most people will slack off because BTDT is 100% dying. From what I recall, you have a scum-lean on Onegu, I take it? What do you make of his interactions with other players? He is single minded in my eye. He was on to B0, because B0 voted for him because he was suspicious. Then B0 said it was for pressure. I don't think B0 claiming that he was hiding that it was a pressure vote is scummy. But, if B0 did not focus on Onegu, I feel that Onegu would have totally disregarded it. He also has many single liners which have no purpose, and too many posts about activity. He said Vivax looks bad to him, and never elaborated. I questioned why he felt that way, and he responded because as a vet he should not defend players. Since then he has not defended his reads. So he keeps his motives to himself. Vivax was later killed. I now have to head to work...
I don't expect a response to this straight away but your points need some fleshing out since I'm not entirely sure what your argument is and your sentences are all choppy.
Has your read on Boston changed as a result of your read on Onegu? It seems that way to me from what you've said about Onegu's push and "keeping his motives to himself". Personally I think what you're referring to (how Onegu posts) is play-style indicative as opposed to alignment-indicative.
I'm assuming that you're saying with the last part that "Onegu didn't follow up on a stated scum-read of his and that scum-read later died" which, if I'm right here, isn't actually a terrible point.
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Decided to filter Onegu after that point re: Vivax NK.
So his stated scum-reads are Boston, Vivax, Grack -> BTDT.
He doesn't bring up Vivax after EOD1 in any significant way. In fact, he later agrees with Vivax that reps is scummy.
On January 09 2017 07:55 Onegu wrote:I could vote him... Boston also After we lynch btdt of course.
His reasons for changing his mind on Vivax, if he did, are absent from his filter and I would like him to explain his thought process whenever he's next online.
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On January 10 2017 06:55 B0stonSC wrote: Okay Everyone right now I'm super torn. I feel that BTDT should be lynched, because he was a total idiot. However, I also think that is a waste of a lynch when the Scum team is (in my humble opinion) ME and KSC (don't know who the third is). But if I say, "oh let's not lynch BTDT" and he turns out to be scum, then I'll look bad, and will probably get lynched next. This is just what I feel the best play is for us, not lynching BTDT just yet. But since most of you seem to disagree with me, I don't think I'll be changing any minds.
Huh?
Why would you be torn with lynching BTDT if you only have two scum-reads? I don't see anything in your post that explains why you doubt that he's scum or how lynching him today is not optimal play.
Your self-awareness has been noted.
Why do you scum-read the other two anyway?
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On January 10 2017 07:20 B0stonSC wrote: Well for ME he hasn't been very active, and he doesn't give reads or really push the game forward at all. This seems counter intuitive to the goal of town players (push the game forward and solve the game). And, as we all know, the opposite of town is scum, hence my thoughts on him. For KSC he has posted less than three serious posts, with lots of posting being done.
I think you're being selective here on how you scum-hunt (ME/ yourself and KSC/ Onegu).
I wouldn't say you are much better than ME and if you disagree then you should explain why that's the case. I get that you two are new and are struggling in some respects regardless of alignment but I think it's strange that you are calling out ME for that of all reasons.
Does your KSC logic also apply to Onegu? If not, what are the differences between the two of them in your eyes?
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lol wtf did I just walk back into?
On January 11 2017 05:15 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 04:40 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:On January 11 2017 04:34 beentheredonethat wrote:
I used to make those cases as scum. They look awesome but in the end those oneliner reactions aren't great. I don't think this case is too good. Can you let him say this for himself ? Or let Silverwolf77 let it say for him ? Because that's what those two have been doing all game. Defend each other. This is basically what i'm paranoid about... there is no paranoia between them lol
If SW/ ika are two of the scum then we are super-fucked, but I don't think that's the case.
However I don't buy into the whole "soul read" thing they have (if for no other reason than it dumbs down the game) and I wouldn't recommend that people rely on those when reading the two of them.
As for the actual cases being made, lemme read up now.
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Okay, those giant posts of one-liners were a pile of crap. I don't understand what line of thinking BTDT is using. Like when he says something and makes a conclusion, I do not follow how he gets from A to B. It's hard to tell how valid his points actually are when I don't get what his points are in the first place.
ME's post also does not make a great deal of sense. I'll admit to only skimming that one but any 'case' with that many quotes needed is going to be mediocre at best.
Also for the love of Christ, can people please spoiler the text walls if you're gonna respond to them?
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On January 11 2017 05:28 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 05:00 reps)squishy wrote:
What are you doing? If you want to see why he was convinced that I was town you cannot read a filter. You are only seeing his posts...
I would like to know why you think I am scum. What am I doing ? I am trying to build a case against ika. I am not filter reading just him, I looked at your post. Are you trying to imply that I am being sloppy ? ( I probably am because i am playing this for the first time, but not in the way you are implying ). I'll let you know why I think you are scum: Quite a few of your posts are of the form : 'I am not around/work/car died/ but I try to make it up with posting 'quality'.' . It appears as if you are trying to be useful. Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 09:44 reps)squishy wrote:On January 09 2017 09:39 ika42 wrote:On January 09 2017 09:35 reps)squishy wrote:On January 09 2017 09:30 ika42 wrote: Cool silver is town Can you elaborate please. Did you read the start of the night? where i was talking to vix about it? Yes, but I will have to reread to get a clearer picture. Now when you ask ika why you think SW is town, ika responds with 'have you read the posts'. You respond with 'yes, but i need to re-read them for a clearer picture' Why ? If you are contributing for quality over quantity, would you not already point out holes in ika's argument rather than come up with an apology. Show nested quote +On January 10 2017 05:30 reps)squishy wrote:On January 10 2017 05:14 Calix wrote:On January 10 2017 04:56 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 06:15 ika42 wrote: rep is partner trying to save grak.
calling it now Also wondering what you make of squishy atm, now that Grack flipped town He's pretty weird. He has a strong start and I really liked the way he was approaching the game, felt legit to me. However he doesn't interact much with the thread and doesn't have a conversational way of posting so it's hard to get a feel for him. Even when he made some one-liners, he still talked like he had a stick up his arse. It sucks that we don't have any meta on him tbh. I don't think his Onegu post was that bad if you look at it out of context but his timing was whack and it doesn't fit with the rest of his filter imo. Given that, I have downgraded him to null for similar reasons to D1!kmatt. Noted. I will try to be more conversational. My posts in the past are bulky, because of real life time restraints. So my philosophy was quality over quantity. Right now aside from unanimously agreeing to lynch btdt, there are no leads. Therefore I will be more conversational! Now here you again talk about this philosophy of yours, but what was that post then ? These are my reasons for calling you scum.
This is actually readable, thank God.
Talking about people mentioning RL/ activity reasons/ etc is NOT something that should be used to determine someone's alignment. It really gets on my nerves when people speculate whether someone is lying about their RL issues because all that does is piss off the suspect in question and it does NOTHING.
Re: the actual read here, how do those posts 'try to look useful'?
I don't see an apology there so I do not understand your jump to your last line, nor do I see how any of this is AI.
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On January 11 2017 05:42 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 05:29 Calix wrote: ME's post also does not make a great deal of sense. I'll admit to only skimming that one but any 'case' with that many quotes needed is going to be mediocre at best.
Also for the love of Christ, can people please spoiler the text walls if you're gonna respond to them? Ok. Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 05:34 Calix wrote:
This is actually readable, thank God.
Talking about people mentioning RL/ activity reasons/ etc is NOT something that should be used to determine someone's alignment. It really gets on my nerves when people speculate whether someone is lying about their RL issues because all that does is piss off the suspect in question and it does NOTHING.
Re: the actual read here, how do those posts 'try to look useful'?
I don't see an apology there so I do not understand your jump to your last line, nor do I see how any of this is AI. ok, noted, but I don't think people should keep mentioning RL activity. What do you mean by you don't see an apology there ?
"If you are contributing for quality over quantity, would you not already point out holes in ika's argument rather than come up with an apology."
Where is the apology you refer to? There isn't one in the quote you referenced when you wrote that line.
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On January 11 2017 05:49 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 05:45 Calix wrote:On January 11 2017 05:42 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:On January 11 2017 05:29 Calix wrote: ME's post also does not make a great deal of sense. I'll admit to only skimming that one but any 'case' with that many quotes needed is going to be mediocre at best.
Also for the love of Christ, can people please spoiler the text walls if you're gonna respond to them? Ok. On January 11 2017 05:34 Calix wrote:
This is actually readable, thank God.
Talking about people mentioning RL/ activity reasons/ etc is NOT something that should be used to determine someone's alignment. It really gets on my nerves when people speculate whether someone is lying about their RL issues because all that does is piss off the suspect in question and it does NOTHING.
Re: the actual read here, how do those posts 'try to look useful'?
I don't see an apology there so I do not understand your jump to your last line, nor do I see how any of this is AI. ok, noted, but I don't think people should keep mentioning RL activity. What do you mean by you don't see an apology there ? "If you are contributing for quality over quantity, would you not already point out holes in ika's argument rather than come up with an apology." Where is the apology you refer to? There isn't one in the quote you referenced when you wrote that line. Do you actually have to say 'Sorry' for it to count as an apology. Look at the tone of his posts earlier, now suddenly he goes on to say that, I'll re-read, if he wants to contribute with quality over quantity ( which frankly should be everyone's goal ), shouldn't he already be on top of that post. He doesn't throw shade at it later, doesn't explain why he changed his opinion, when he had questioned it earlier.
Uh, yes?
I have no idea what the rest of this says and I've probably lost brain cells trying to comprehend this.
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I can literally feel a headache coming on from trying to understand what half of these posts the past two pages are even saying.
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On January 11 2017 05:56 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 05:55 Calix wrote: I can literally feel a headache coming on from trying to understand what half of these posts the past two pages are even saying. What do you make of SW's response to btdt, considering my post ^
I found it hard to read but when I actually look at the contents of the entire post, you're right. It's an awful lot of words for a defense which isn't needed and most of the defense is not even that good. I didn't find any of the points compelling is what I mean there.
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On January 11 2017 06:01 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 05:53 Calix wrote:On January 11 2017 05:49 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:On January 11 2017 05:45 Calix wrote:On January 11 2017 05:42 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:On January 11 2017 05:29 Calix wrote:+ Show Spoiler + ME's post also does not make a great deal of sense. I'll admit to only skimming that one but any 'case' with that many quotes needed is going to be mediocre at best.
Also for the love of Christ, can people please spoiler the text walls if you're gonna respond to them?
Ok. On January 11 2017 05:34 Calix wrote:
This is actually readable, thank God.
Talking about people mentioning RL/ activity reasons/ etc is NOT something that should be used to determine someone's alignment. It really gets on my nerves when people speculate whether someone is lying about their RL issues because all that does is piss off the suspect in question and it does NOTHING.
Re: the actual read here, how do those posts 'try to look useful'?
I don't see an apology there so I do not understand your jump to your last line, nor do I see how any of this is AI. ok, noted, but I don't think people should keep mentioning RL activity. What do you mean by you don't see an apology there ? "If you are contributing for quality over quantity, would you not already point out holes in ika's argument rather than come up with an apology." Where is the apology you refer to? There isn't one in the quote you referenced when you wrote that line. Do you actually have to say 'Sorry' for it to count as an apology. Look at the tone of his posts earlier, now suddenly he goes on to say that, I'll re-read, if he wants to contribute with quality over quantity ( which frankly should be everyone's goal ), shouldn't he already be on top of that post. He doesn't throw shade at it later, doesn't explain why he changed his opinion, when he had questioned it earlier. Uh, yes? I have no idea what the rest of this says and I've probably lost brain cells trying to comprehend this. What can you not understand, here I'll fucking BULLET IT FOR YOU : 1. reps squishy is SCUM 2. reps squishy said : I value quality not quantity 3. reps squishy questions ika's read on Silverwolf77, ika says SW is town. 4. ika says did you read my arguments 5. reps says ' yes, but i'll have to re-read them' 6. why does reps have to re-read them when his earlier stated philosophy is : ' quality over quantity' 7. why is he not on top of ika, questioning his arguments 8. why does he not say why he changed his opinion on ika's read whne he questioned him earlier
Yes and my concerns from before hold as Points 3-4-7 do not show a scum mindset and half of your points repeat themselves instead of showing a clear thought process.
Points 5-6 are illogical. Someone saying that they want to reread a thing has nothing to do with 'quality over quanity' and rereading is NAI. Thus your overall argument does not hold water.
I am not going to ask you to continue explaining yourself here as your case is bad and I'd rather have you do something else. If you have nothing, can you summarise your reads on SW AND ika please? No cases, just a few sentences will do here.
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On January 11 2017 06:12 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 06:00 Calix wrote:On January 11 2017 05:56 darthfoley wrote:On January 11 2017 05:55 Calix wrote: I can literally feel a headache coming on from trying to understand what half of these posts the past two pages are even saying. What do you make of SW's response to btdt, considering my post ^ I found it hard to read but when I actually look at the contents of the entire post, you're right. It's an awful lot of words for a defense which isn't needed and most of the defense is not even that good. I didn't find any of the points compelling is what I mean there. Why do you think the defense isn't needed? If you feel this way, why didn't you ask me about it or comment on it until darthfoley brought it up? I've never seen you have trouble reading posts or understanding them before. This seems really odd for you.
Not so much the actual having a defense as it is the timing and level of effort put into it as the case was poor and BTDT has not flipped yet so you don't know whether you wasted time on responding in that much depth (if he's mafia and you're town) when you could have acknowledged it in a few sentences.
I didn't pay it much attention because I was focusing on the more questionable players who were posting.
It's not odd for me to have trouble comprehending multitudes of bad arguments and I'm having a hard time having it all sink in. I'll have to reread them later when I'm not in the fray.
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On January 11 2017 06:24 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 06:19 Calix wrote:On January 11 2017 06:12 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 11 2017 06:00 Calix wrote:On January 11 2017 05:56 darthfoley wrote:On January 11 2017 05:55 Calix wrote: I can literally feel a headache coming on from trying to understand what half of these posts the past two pages are even saying. What do you make of SW's response to btdt, considering my post ^ I found it hard to read but when I actually look at the contents of the entire post, you're right. It's an awful lot of words for a defense which isn't needed and most of the defense is not even that good. I didn't find any of the points compelling is what I mean there. Why do you think the defense isn't needed? If you feel this way, why didn't you ask me about it or comment on it until darthfoley brought it up? I've never seen you have trouble reading posts or understanding them before. This seems really odd for you. Not so much the actual having a defense as it is the timing and level of effort put into it as the case was poor and BTDT has not flipped yet so you don't know whether you wasted time on responding in that much depth (if he's mafia and you're town) when you could have acknowledged it in a few sentences. I didn't pay it much attention because I was focusing on the more questionable players who were posting. It's not odd for me to have trouble comprehending multitudes of bad arguments and I'm having a hard time having it all sink in. I'll have to reread them later when I'm not in the fray. Fair enough. I do like the way you are questioning ME on his case on ika. It's really bad and I think he's struggling to make it make sense or be logical.
I'm gonna pop off for a bit as I actually do have a headache so if you have time now then check my filter so I can read it when I get back.
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Okay I back but really tired so will probably seen soon after deadline.
On January 11 2017 06:43 SilverWolf77 wrote: One thing I do want to say is Calix and darth reactions to my defense bug me somewhat. Not that they don't have a right to think its bad but more the timing of it all and the fact they basically say the same thing about it. I don't really think these two have any suspicion of each other right now and it seems they are working together. I know Calix likes to work with her townreads as town but I don't know how darth plays. It bothers me a little bit that he might be trying to get Calix into his corner on things. That's why I asked him for his read on her.
I just want to throw this out there for now. It not a huge issue. I think a much bigger issue is ME's inability to case a scumread.
I don't see how having the same thought about something is bad, that mind-melding is more townie imo.
Also wouldn't I be the one more likely to be pocketing DF in your scenario because I said my thoughts after DF asked me for it? It's not impossible that he is getting on my good side on purpose but I think if he is scum then he would be trying harder to show people that he town-reads me and I don't recall him doing that.
I didn't say this earlier but meta's also influencing my read on him because I've read his scum game on-record a while ago and I think he is well different and more like his town games that I've read (Touhou and Gif Mafia being the two examples I use). As said, he was more showy about his town-reads when he was scum and had a harder time posting. He is more free-flowing here.
I'm gonna start being busier in a few days because of uni and workload so I'll probably filter DF/ SW/ ika during N2 while I have enough time to look through 20 or so pages of filter.
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On January 11 2017 07:08 Onegu wrote: is btdt dead yet?
That cannot seriously be all you have to say after everything that went down.
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On January 11 2017 07:38 SilverWolf77 wrote:Calix: Just gonna flesh out the major points. I don't think her saying her low activity play is 10 times better than most people's play as something she'd do as scum. IIRC, she's far more passive as scum than town. Her last town game was very aggressive. I like how she's immediately jumping into the game pointing out scummy things. She's making a lot of observations on things that stick out to her and I find myself agreeing with most of them. She always comments on the major things going on and isn't afraid to question people with direct points. Town points here. This post bugs me a bit because it's very passive of her. Like, instead of pushing her point home, she just backs off: Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 01:57 Calix wrote:On January 07 2017 01:54 Vivax wrote:On January 07 2017 01:52 Calix wrote:On January 07 2017 01:48 Vivax wrote: So far you and Ika both asked such loaded questions that already imply I did something I did not. Obviously you're not going to get a nice answer to "Do you always beat your wife" type of questions. Your point? If you ask shitty questions you get shitty answers If you think playing 20 questions sucks then I'll let you do something else. I'd rather take a nap or something than have a lengthy discussion tbh lol. I don't want to sound too full of my self but she does have a soft defense of ika and myself as town or not scum indicative on the things others are pointing out. I think if she was scum she'd want at least one of us gone by either mislynch or kill and she's doing nothing to make that happen. If anything, she's stopping any kind of lynch. She's got 9 pages of filter and most of it is really trying to drive the game forward and except that one post and her being a little too agreeable with darth, I'd say she's solid town.
I did back off because I could see Vivax was getting annoyed, I didn't think that line of conversation would get more productive and I wanted to sleep so I cut short the conversation to see what he would do using his own initiative.
Also in terms of the reads you two are getting, I think some of them are justified if you look at it from the POV of someone who has not played with you two. I don't think they're accurate but when you guys say that everything you two do is very townie or whatever then it will look weird to others.
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On January 11 2017 07:48 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 05:54 darthfoley wrote:On January 11 2017 05:23 SilverWolf77 wrote: That case on ika is incredibly bad ME. I'll let him address it though but that's my opinion on it. It looks really fabricated and scummy.
bdtd-I'm here and if you think I'm avoiding the thread or trying not to do anything, then you are misrepping me badly. I have no problem addressing all your points in detail and anything else anyone wants to talk about.
First, I don't believe your roleblock claim because you lied about being the doc getting the real doc lynched, then claimed cop, then claimed VT, then claimed cop, then VT and now you say you are roleblocked. I don't believe a word you say. I think you should be lynched. Period. You've been lying all game. You have been flailing ever since. So no, I'm not going to reconsider wanting to lynch you.
There is nothing wrong with my Onegu filter. I had no read on him. That's how I got one. null town just means he is leaning town but has a lot of null posts so it isn't a strong townread. I went from null to town on him and I showed how I got there. I did the same on Squishy-I had no read and kept going back and forth-so now I have one. Town should always be reanalyzing their reads and make sure they are correct. If you don't know what null town means, you need to ask me instead of making false assumptions about it. You must be o.k. with my Reps filter since you said nothing about it.
I'm not the least afraid of pressuring Onegu or doing something this day phase. That is just serious misrep and it's scummy as hell. I have been here and am willing to answer any question directed at me including discussion of my reads and posts on filters, etc. You are basically calling one of the most active players afraid to do something. Yeah, no.
You saying it's incredibly scummy that I'm not feeling well and tired is BS. I have been sick for two days and have been going to the hospital everyday for radiation therapy. DO NOT EVER go after me for real life again.
You saying my townread on ika is scummy is complete crap since you also have a townread on him. I'm not praising ika at all-again complete and total misrep. I'm explaining why I think he's town because I have extensive experience with him. As far as paranoia goes or being too sure he's town, he's my strongest townread based on nearly 100 posts he's put into this game and my experience with him. If I had said right away, I think he's town, you'd have a point but I didn't.
That last part is me telling you to give reads if your town and the fact that you didn't was me thinking you are scum. Also, you went after me for RL again. I was at the dr. office so I couldn't post more than that. If that's the only thing I posted all day, I could let it go BUT I've been doing more than that. You are just ignoring it to fit your narrative that I'm trying to look active. Considering how many posts I've put into this game, that's just completely wrong.
I believe you are selectively pointing out posts I made this day phase and shifting them to fit your narrative that they are scummy when they are clearly town oriented and that's scummy as shit. Get lynched.
Why you feel the need to go through his post point by point and refute it all when 1) You think he's mafia 2) He's 1000% getting lynched today This just feels a little too defensive for my liking. Can you focus on someone besides btdt? Like what do you make of Calix/ME/B0ston etc... anyone that isn't BTDT. If you're town literally the last thing we need is to continue to tilt. im still kinda reading up but if anything i read her town off that becasue she is defensive by nature. scum or not you should refute the case unless they are 100% mafia confirmed.
I think this is a good example of what I said earlier because ika's basically saying here "SW is town because she is naturally defensive" which does not make sense because a personality-indicative trait cannot be AI by default.
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On January 11 2017 08:40 SilverWolf77 wrote: I really love how both the votes on me are on my scumreads and one of them was scumreading two other people and never mentioned me and both of them were in the voting thread and not mentioned here.
+1
Yeah, I was wondering what ME's read on you was because I do not recall him giving one (was why I asked earlier) so I really don't like his "ninja vote" on you.
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None of us should be posting after this point until hosts get on, FYI
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All of the people calling Grack vs BTDT a TvT were correct, wtf.
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On January 11 2017 09:17 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote: What ninja vote ? I didn't want to vote Grack and I voted Grack, I am not repeating my mistake. I vote for somebody who's high on my scum list. I am not going to give all of my scum reads. When I give one, people interact and give me more information. And the ninja-vote thing was brought up by Onegu who said people will look at it as a ninja vote and then go on you, and here we have someone do exactly that.
"People" will call a spade a spade? Shocking.
Uh, you voted for someone off the BTDT wagon without explaining why you scum-read that person at all which contradicts your "not giving away scum-reads" idea (even though there's no actual purpose to hiding reads in a normal save).
Explain pls.
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I'm here but not feeling very well. Tried to filter-dive earlier but nothing will sink in -.-
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On January 12 2017 02:19 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 02:17 Calix wrote: I'm here but not feeling very well. Tried to filter-dive earlier but nothing will sink in -.- Hi calix, what do you think of squishy just as a knee jerk? or what I posted about him etc? (i've sort of missed you btw)
Thanks, I didn't totally hate playing with you in the past either <3
I don't agree with most of your squishy reasons because they could be explained by him being new/ not knowing how people play here. Using strange logic is NAI, questioning why someone votes for a scum-read is NAI and I don't think his Onegu read by itself means a lot.
Your point about him following thread sentiment is something I think holds true but you buried that among a lot of fluff points.
I would like to hear your ME bad-town reason because he's one of my stronger scum-reads atm. His posts don't have a clear thought process and he admits to wanting to hide information with his vote which I don't see town motive for at all and nobody has given one.
Can you explain your jump from Onegu maybe scum to Onegu prolly town? I don't have strong feelings on him - he just pops in, fires out some posts and then fucks off again and none of those posts have strong town or scum motivations imo.
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On January 12 2017 02:33 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 02:23 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 02:10 Damdred wrote: I saw someone mention silver earlier as scum (I think) Why exactly? I read his filter and theres some really good things in their that I coudl see coming from town more than scum.
Reactions to whats going on in the thread Reads accurate to what hes been talking about Actual progression on the reads, good pressure to his scum reads
I really liked his filter honestly. Definatly going in the town pile today. I kind of want to put onegu in that pile as well silverwolf is female fyi Whops well she ^_- what do you think of silver?
lmao
How did you not figure out the answer from SW's filter?
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On January 12 2017 02:33 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 02:27 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 02:19 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 02:17 Calix wrote: I'm here but not feeling very well. Tried to filter-dive earlier but nothing will sink in -.- Hi calix, what do you think of squishy just as a knee jerk? or what I posted about him etc? (i've sort of missed you btw) Thanks, I didn't totally hate playing with you in the past either <3 I don't agree with most of your squishy reasons because they could be explained by him being new/ not knowing how people play here. Using strange logic is NAI, questioning why someone votes for a scum-read is NAI and I don't think his Onegu read by itself means a lot. Your point about him following thread sentiment is something I think holds true but you buried that among a lot of fluff points. I would like to hear your ME bad-town reason because he's one of my stronger scum-reads atm. His posts don't have a clear thought process and he admits to wanting to hide information with his vote which I don't see town motive for at all and nobody has given one. Can you explain your jump from Onegu maybe scum to Onegu prolly town? I don't have strong feelings on him - he just pops in, fires out some posts and then fucks off again and none of those posts have strong town or scum motivations imo. Yeah its a bit fluffy tbh, his grack vote though is bad vivax saw it first so i wont' claim the idea. I think hes a decent scum lean though. As for ME its so horrible, he asked the host in thread if people who die do the thread know who killed them etc. Its horrible reasoning but if he was scum he would just ask in his qt instead of hte thread more than likely or his scum coach would tel him. Totally horrible reasoning though, besides that he has a few scum signals though I remembered something about onegu, the more useful onegu is early in the game the more likely he is scum really. Its difficult to pinpoint his alignment though later in the game hes easier to read if you can get him to put work in. But its more a gut feeling with how hes approaching the game and not really caring.
His EOD was questionable for sure with the Boston/ Grack thing.
Yeah you're right, that is horrible, but that is something I briefly considered when I saw that post before thinking about it.
I was hoping for something a little more substantial but it's a bit reassuring that even someone who's played with him before is saying he's hard to read.
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On January 12 2017 02:39 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 02:35 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 02:33 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 02:23 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 02:10 Damdred wrote: I saw someone mention silver earlier as scum (I think) Why exactly? I read his filter and theres some really good things in their that I coudl see coming from town more than scum.
Reactions to whats going on in the thread Reads accurate to what hes been talking about Actual progression on the reads, good pressure to his scum reads
I really liked his filter honestly. Definatly going in the town pile today. I kind of want to put onegu in that pile as well silverwolf is female fyi Whops well she ^_- what do you think of silver? lmao How did you not figure out the answer from SW's filter? I always call everyone he/him i still call gb a she hehe
I meant the answer to "what do you think of SW?" since the way SW/ ika read each other is the most explained thing in the chat, lol.
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On January 12 2017 02:42 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 01:45 Damdred wrote:Scum list: Rep is probably the scum here, early he attacks grack for strange reasonings really. Uses a bit of fear mongering to (can't let a vet scum run lose etc) justify his voting at that point. Questions people why they are voting for his own scum read at one point. His read on kel is extremely flimsy at best and seems to be keeping his options open depending on which way the thread sentiment is riding. In fact most of his filter feels that way where hes able to go with sentiment at a drop of a hat without to much. His scum reads are also on the easy side to an extent, not much else in the way of reads in his filter. The onegu post is interesting but really its picking on onegu for something (activity) which he doesn't think is alignment indicative apparently but makes it so towards other people. Just sort of weird he would probably make the case onegu posts were not substantive but thats sort of meh since it seems the lynch was decided for 72 hours as I read in depth anyway. I think ME could be scum because of some of the things I said earlier (look in my filter at taht portion) but I have a really really bad reason for thinking they could be town and honestly it probably just makes them town for a shitty reason. But not really worth talking about, not worth lynch tommorow. + Show Spoiler + While people have pointed at me for thinking btdt was a bad lynch I do stand beside that idea that he was a bad lynch, but I do understand why he had to be policy lynched for his bad play. It doesn't mean that he was a sure fire scum lynch and I think Onegu made note of that on a reread. Its probably the right play in any case after i read but just stinks.
Just as an aside I think its probably the stupidest thing in the world to cc doc as scum d1 when there is a possible vigilante in play. You would be smoked instantly an da 1-1 trade is always a loss for scum and a win for town in that situation. Sure they get the protection out of the game but more than likely they never really get a protect off anyway.
I just can never see scum making that trade, a red check d2 or later or a cc later than that yeah. I can see that sac especially if a vig is already off the table but nope never beyond that. Just my thoughts though still reading filters atm any questions i'm around I felt like Grack did not want to progress the thread, to me that is a tall tale sign of being scummy. I ask people why they have scum leads on people when they do not explain why they have those leads; "I think reps) is scummy) does not cut it. You are right that my read on Kel was flimsy, but I never tried pushing it. Yes, I pointed out 1gu's activity which I don't think is AI. That is correct. If someone is going to have low activity, I would like them to have quality>quantity. But, I feel onegu has poor activity and quality of posts. Yes, there was a policy lynch going on, does not mean we need to waste 72hrs and not find another read.
Would it not make sense to try pushing your KSC read to see if you could find something more substantial?
You keep repeating the quality > quantity mantra and it's starting to ping me since you say that more than you actually do that.
If you think that doing nothing (especially during D2) is suspicious then did anyone else strike you as trying to 'skate by' or what?
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On January 12 2017 02:43 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 02:42 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 02:39 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 02:35 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 02:33 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 02:23 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 02:10 Damdred wrote: I saw someone mention silver earlier as scum (I think) Why exactly? I read his filter and theres some really good things in their that I coudl see coming from town more than scum.
Reactions to whats going on in the thread Reads accurate to what hes been talking about Actual progression on the reads, good pressure to his scum reads
I really liked his filter honestly. Definatly going in the town pile today. I kind of want to put onegu in that pile as well silverwolf is female fyi Whops well she ^_- what do you think of silver? lmao How did you not figure out the answer from SW's filter? I always call everyone he/him i still call gb a she hehe I meant the answer to "what do you think of SW?" since the way SW/ ika read each other is the most explained thing in the chat, lol. oh well I forgot and just haven't read Ika yet tbh
It's weird that of all the things you asked ika about it's SW since that's something that everyone knows and ika has talked about a lot and SW is a town-read to you. Your priorities are whack there is what I am saying.
I'm not sure how you're catching up or if you're just filter-diving but if you're reading the thread chronologically then I don't see how that slipped you by.
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On January 12 2017 02:58 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 02:44 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 02:42 reps)squishy wrote:On January 12 2017 01:45 Damdred wrote:Scum list: Rep is probably the scum here, early he attacks grack for strange reasonings really. Uses a bit of fear mongering to (can't let a vet scum run lose etc) justify his voting at that point. Questions people why they are voting for his own scum read at one point. His read on kel is extremely flimsy at best and seems to be keeping his options open depending on which way the thread sentiment is riding. In fact most of his filter feels that way where hes able to go with sentiment at a drop of a hat without to much. His scum reads are also on the easy side to an extent, not much else in the way of reads in his filter. The onegu post is interesting but really its picking on onegu for something (activity) which he doesn't think is alignment indicative apparently but makes it so towards other people. Just sort of weird he would probably make the case onegu posts were not substantive but thats sort of meh since it seems the lynch was decided for 72 hours as I read in depth anyway. I think ME could be scum because of some of the things I said earlier (look in my filter at taht portion) but I have a really really bad reason for thinking they could be town and honestly it probably just makes them town for a shitty reason. But not really worth talking about, not worth lynch tommorow. + Show Spoiler + While people have pointed at me for thinking btdt was a bad lynch I do stand beside that idea that he was a bad lynch, but I do understand why he had to be policy lynched for his bad play. It doesn't mean that he was a sure fire scum lynch and I think Onegu made note of that on a reread. Its probably the right play in any case after i read but just stinks.
Just as an aside I think its probably the stupidest thing in the world to cc doc as scum d1 when there is a possible vigilante in play. You would be smoked instantly an da 1-1 trade is always a loss for scum and a win for town in that situation. Sure they get the protection out of the game but more than likely they never really get a protect off anyway.
I just can never see scum making that trade, a red check d2 or later or a cc later than that yeah. I can see that sac especially if a vig is already off the table but nope never beyond that. Just my thoughts though still reading filters atm any questions i'm around I felt like Grack did not want to progress the thread, to me that is a tall tale sign of being scummy. I ask people why they have scum leads on people when they do not explain why they have those leads; "I think reps) is scummy) does not cut it. You are right that my read on Kel was flimsy, but I never tried pushing it. Yes, I pointed out 1gu's activity which I don't think is AI. That is correct. If someone is going to have low activity, I would like them to have quality>quantity. But, I feel onegu has poor activity and quality of posts. Yes, there was a policy lynch going on, does not mean we need to waste 72hrs and not find another read. Ok then what are your reads that you believe atm? With any certainty 1gu because of my prior points.
That's your only read? lol
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On January 12 2017 03:03 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 02:47 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 02:42 reps)squishy wrote:On January 12 2017 01:45 Damdred wrote:Scum list: Rep is probably the scum here, early he attacks grack for strange reasonings really. Uses a bit of fear mongering to (can't let a vet scum run lose etc) justify his voting at that point. Questions people why they are voting for his own scum read at one point. His read on kel is extremely flimsy at best and seems to be keeping his options open depending on which way the thread sentiment is riding. In fact most of his filter feels that way where hes able to go with sentiment at a drop of a hat without to much. His scum reads are also on the easy side to an extent, not much else in the way of reads in his filter. The onegu post is interesting but really its picking on onegu for something (activity) which he doesn't think is alignment indicative apparently but makes it so towards other people. Just sort of weird he would probably make the case onegu posts were not substantive but thats sort of meh since it seems the lynch was decided for 72 hours as I read in depth anyway. I think ME could be scum because of some of the things I said earlier (look in my filter at taht portion) but I have a really really bad reason for thinking they could be town and honestly it probably just makes them town for a shitty reason. But not really worth talking about, not worth lynch tommorow. + Show Spoiler + While people have pointed at me for thinking btdt was a bad lynch I do stand beside that idea that he was a bad lynch, but I do understand why he had to be policy lynched for his bad play. It doesn't mean that he was a sure fire scum lynch and I think Onegu made note of that on a reread. Its probably the right play in any case after i read but just stinks.
Just as an aside I think its probably the stupidest thing in the world to cc doc as scum d1 when there is a possible vigilante in play. You would be smoked instantly an da 1-1 trade is always a loss for scum and a win for town in that situation. Sure they get the protection out of the game but more than likely they never really get a protect off anyway.
I just can never see scum making that trade, a red check d2 or later or a cc later than that yeah. I can see that sac especially if a vig is already off the table but nope never beyond that. Just my thoughts though still reading filters atm any questions i'm around I felt like Grack did not want to progress the thread, to me that is a tall tale sign of being scummy. I ask people why they have scum leads on people when they do not explain why they have those leads; "I think reps) is scummy) does not cut it. You are right that my read on Kel was flimsy, but I never tried pushing it. Yes, I pointed out 1gu's activity which I don't think is AI. That is correct. If someone is going to have low activity, I would like them to have quality>quantity. But, I feel onegu has poor activity and quality of posts. Yes, there was a policy lynch going on, does not mean we need to waste 72hrs and not find another read. Would it not make sense to try pushing your KSC read to see if you could find something more substantial? You keep repeating the quality > quantity mantra and it's starting to ping me since you say that more than you actually do that. If you think that doing nothing (especially during D2) is suspicious then did anyone else strike you as trying to 'skate by' or what? My KSC read was not good. I don't like it, there is a back up and using KSC's trolly idaf so much that I don't vote against the back up is a stretch. With the quality vs quantity, I think I am personally. I try not to make pointless one liners if I am not going to have too much time. I made a case against 1gu and he ignored it. His first post D2 is "is btdt dead yet?" Anyway first day of classes, I have to find my building catch up with everyone soon.
What do you mean with 'backup'?
I wasn't asking you to reiterate. I was saying that you've already told me this half a dozen times before.
Do you think outright ignoring a case is more likely to come from town or scum? You state things but do not conclude much.
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Jesus Christ, what the fuck did I walk back into?
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On January 12 2017 08:01 Damdred wrote: I have no clue dude just tilted for no reason.
Calix what do you think of squishy scum reads currently?
I'm more concerned about the fact that he might have just forced us into D3 LYLO with hostconfirm bullshit :/
Don't really have an opinion.
Onegu's has been explained to death, nothing new to add here.
Point about ME sheeping BTDT and DF buddying me might be good but I'd need to see some evidence before making a judgment.
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On January 12 2017 08:04 Damdred wrote: Well lets try to play a bit really, Darth what do you think the scum team is curently?
Asking about scum teams when we do not have a single scum flip is retarded.
In fact, I think most of your questions suck and don't actually do anything to help push things forward.
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On January 12 2017 08:12 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 08:07 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 08:04 Damdred wrote: Well lets try to play a bit really, Darth what do you think the scum team is curently? Asking about scum teams when we do not have a single scum flip is retarded. In fact, I think most of your questions suck and don't actually do anything to help push things forward. Yeah well i'm trying to get something started and get up to date reads from people instad of talking about the crap thats happening so yeah. You can think my questions suck but oh well.
I don't get how you can get any relevant information from the questions you've asked since they're very...vague, I guess? And don't seem to be going anywhere.
But I'll bite. What have you gained from what you've asked so far?
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On January 12 2017 08:16 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 08:11 Onegu wrote:On January 12 2017 08:09 darthfoley wrote:On January 12 2017 08:04 Damdred wrote: Well lets try to play a bit really, Darth what do you think the scum team is curently? I generally don't like to think of teams/association until red flips because you can tunnel yourself unnecessarily. Right now I'm most confident that B0ston is mafia, followed by Onegu. I'm not sure what I think of you tbh. I'll have to devote time to your filter. I also want to see what B0ston makes of other people Right because I bussed my partner early day 1 and never got off of him and am planning to vote him tomorrow which I have already stated... I just said I wasn't claiming you two were on a team. Rereading your filter makes me think you're not scum together. Anyone know how onegu plays scum? Does he buss a lot/early in/etc.?
Nobody has time for that shit. Just read the Onegu/ Boston interactions if you want to find out if they're SvS.
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On January 12 2017 08:22 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 08:15 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 08:12 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 08:07 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 08:04 Damdred wrote: Well lets try to play a bit really, Darth what do you think the scum team is curently? Asking about scum teams when we do not have a single scum flip is retarded. In fact, I think most of your questions suck and don't actually do anything to help push things forward. Yeah well i'm trying to get something started and get up to date reads from people instad of talking about the crap thats happening so yeah. You can think my questions suck but oh well. I don't get how you can get any relevant information from the questions you've asked since they're very...vague, I guess? And don't seem to be going anywhere. But I'll bite. What have you gained from what you've asked so far? Actually got squishy to name scum reads instead of just harping on about onegu so far, DF especially doesn't make sense from his filter as he has nothing in it that would indicate a scum read currently. Nothing to much about ME either, and his attitude towards both in the thread really doesn't scream I think you are scum. Darth replies looked ok and really reasonable coming from town. especially his williness to not force reads, he hasn't had a lot of experience s scum and lots of inexperienced scum try to shoehorn reads to make it seem like they are doing a lot. So i've gotten some decent stuff so far to add to my thoughts.
Your DF line is your most convincing argument here since that did look like a legit change in read from you.
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On January 12 2017 08:29 Damdred wrote: Which the shoe horning reads to make it look like you are doing things kmatt is a good fit for that. His reads post that has a lot of nulls with easy town reads for no reason.
I could see a squishy, kmat and boston "team" as in each are interesting.
Like if you look at Kmat somewhat scum read on boston (associative I know) it seems a bit TMI (most of his reads feel this way with the ease though). It just is interesting right now.
He has claimed Vig, lol. Are you counterclaiming him?
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Also not impressed that your scum-team are all the new, inactive people who are not going to have many associative tells since they hardly ever post unless prompted to.
Which is another reason why trying to find the entire scum team this game is a terrible idea. If you're wrong on even one then the scummers can just get a ML on them.
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On January 12 2017 08:37 Damdred wrote: I just don't believe it tbh, I think its a really bad shot if he is a vig and there is no real change in his filter that goes from town reading or leaning vivax to wanting to kill him.
It is weird, yes, but that's overruled by the whole "not counterclaimed" thing. But whatever.
On January 12 2017 08:39 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 08:32 Calix wrote: Also not impressed that your scum-team are all the new, inactive people who are not going to have many associative tells since they hardly ever post unless prompted to.
Which is another reason why trying to find the entire scum team this game is a terrible idea. If you're wrong on even one then the scummers can just get a ML on them. I don't know why you think i'm sold on that 100% i've clearly shown multiple times i never settle for a scum read and let the people proove themselves to me one way or another.
I didn't say that you were 100% convinced on that.
I'm more of a "find one scum at a time until one flips" person.
Dumb question, but is it common for people on this site to try and draw associations in LYLO/ MYLO with no scum flips? I actually don't know what optimal strategy for these kind of things are, lol.
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I'm not seeing anything that suggests buddying, just insinuations and jokey comments that don't explicitly state "I town-read Calix"
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On January 12 2017 08:46 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 08:43 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 08:37 Damdred wrote: I just don't believe it tbh, I think its a really bad shot if he is a vig and there is no real change in his filter that goes from town reading or leaning vivax to wanting to kill him. It is weird, yes, but that's overruled by the whole "not counterclaimed" thing. But whatever. On January 12 2017 08:39 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 08:32 Calix wrote: Also not impressed that your scum-team are all the new, inactive people who are not going to have many associative tells since they hardly ever post unless prompted to.
Which is another reason why trying to find the entire scum team this game is a terrible idea. If you're wrong on even one then the scummers can just get a ML on them. I don't know why you think i'm sold on that 100% i've clearly shown multiple times i never settle for a scum read and let the people proove themselves to me one way or another. I didn't say that you were 100% convinced on that. I'm more of a "find one scum at a time until one flips" person. Dumb question, but is it common for people on this site to try and draw associations in LYLO/ MYLO with no scum flips? I actually don't know what optimal strategy for these kind of things are, lol. Yeah but if we have a vig with a shot ready better for them nto to claim it and shoot, and the vet to only claim if they have to and try to draw a shot. Like I just think the whole claim is bad even if its not counterclaimed, he even kinda alludes to it. And if he did stack with mafia vivax had to be onto at least one of the scum team I think. As for that in lylo mylo its jsut better to start the game fresh tbh (maybe we will be wrong and me will turn out scum who turned suicidal maybe? kinda? no? ). I generally don't like associative reads unless they do have common connectors really.
Yes shooting someone who he didn't claim a scum-read on is terrible play but unless you're saying that he's scum fake-claiming then I don't see the point of discussing it.
Am assuming the worst. I'm not used to dealing with MYLO/ LYLO at all and I dislike the prospect of being thrust into one on Day fucking Three.
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On January 12 2017 08:48 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 08:47 Calix wrote: I'm not seeing anything that suggests buddying, just insinuations and jokey comments that don't explicitly state "I town-read Calix" well at least we agreed on something this thread so far.
Heh.
Well I don't have a solid read on you and I'm not even sure if you're properly caught up given gems like "wonder what ika thinks of SW" or "the uncc'd vig is mafia"
But for real, I get a bad feeling about you. Your tone just feels flat. I'd have to check the games we played in but I am pretty sure that you were more confident and sure of yourself than you are here. I'm not even sure if I'm onto something or if I'm reading too much into it because you've been here like a day and you're a pretty good player so you wouldn't have to do much to avoid being lynched if you were mafia.
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On January 12 2017 08:59 Damdred wrote: idk Boston is a good shot to, his reasoning aroudn the grack lynch was really weird. He was town reading Grack but never really stopped to consider that it was btdt fake claiming and just voted his town read. Really weird.
Thanks for reminding me, I was gonna ask what your thoughts on Boston are as I don't recall you filtering him.
His filter's dreadful and the tone of his posts read like he feels hunted and the main reason I was doubting myself was because BTDT made that horrendous case against him. But since BTDT was town and Boston has not done anything to redeem himself then he is likely mafia.
I would have to reread though to see if there's any town motivation for the things he's done.
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On January 12 2017 09:06 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 10:08 SilverWolf77 wrote: What do people say to Calix, darthfoley, Onegu scumteam?
If you mean this. I am not sure tbh, why leave the vig alive in what is 100% mylo at this point?
This is a good point.
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On January 12 2017 09:07 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 09:05 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 08:59 Damdred wrote: idk Boston is a good shot to, his reasoning aroudn the grack lynch was really weird. He was town reading Grack but never really stopped to consider that it was btdt fake claiming and just voted his town read. Really weird. Thanks for reminding me, I was gonna ask what your thoughts on Boston are as I don't recall you filtering him. His filter's dreadful and the tone of his posts read like he feels hunted and the main reason I was doubting myself was because BTDT made that horrendous case against him. But since BTDT was town and Boston has not done anything to redeem himself then he is likely mafia. I would have to reread though to see if there's any town motivation for the things he's done. I don't see a lot of town motivation really especially for his votes, he clearly states town read but never questions the other person who claimed. Seems like it was a run away train for grack lynch and he just hopped on for easy lynch without calling himself out at that point since btdt was next up anyway.
I agree that he has been following thread consensus with his reads. I recall that he scum-read ME so seeing how he reacts to ME flipping town will be informative, I think.
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On January 12 2017 09:08 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 08:47 Damdred wrote: Also squishy is that all really alignment indicative? Sheeping isn't necessarily just something mafia or town does right? It is NAI on its own. But if you connect the dots that he does not lead or push his own reads; it makes me feel weird. Since you are not seeing eye to eye with me it may just be my gut telling me then. But I feel he is trying to fly below the radar, and be another number in these townie lynches, rather than make his own arguments and risk being questioned.
We still talking about DF here? Dude has like, eight pages of filter so I am curious as to why you think he's trying to lay low with that in mind.
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Onegu could be mafia but I don't recall anything strongly mafia-indicative in his filter. With regards to D2, I didn't really like his BTDT posts (in terms of explaining too much) but that's not enough for a vote imo.
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On January 12 2017 09:27 Damdred wrote: For the record currently I am voting B0ston I think he needs a bit of attention and how he acted aroudn the grack lynch and the game in general is indicative of scum.
This. Boston > coin-flip any day.
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If kmatt is TPR, his posts this game serve as a great reminder of how NOT to play as one.
lol
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On January 12 2017 09:41 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 09:26 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 09:21 reps)squishy wrote:On January 12 2017 09:12 Damdred wrote:On January 12 2017 09:08 reps)squishy wrote:On January 12 2017 08:47 Damdred wrote: Also squishy is that all really alignment indicative? Sheeping isn't necessarily just something mafia or town does right? It is NAI on its own. But if you connect the dots that he does not lead or push his own reads; it makes me feel weird. Since you are not seeing eye to eye with me it may just be my gut telling me then. But I feel he is trying to fly below the radar, and be another number in these townie lynches, rather than make his own arguments and risk being questioned. I'm nto sure, sheeping isn't necessarily a scummy trait or following someone you think is town. What do you think about his postings during hte night so far? Don't see any town indicators in it? I believe his night posts were NAI Anyway although I think DF is scummy, Onegu is my main read and I think it is way worse letting him go under the radar so ##Vote: Onegu Would you really want to risk the game killing onegu today and him being town? Like I understand frustration with someone not really playing that much. But i'm not sure if him not necessarily playing in this situation is super indicative. even so viv suspected him and then he died... SW suspected him and then he died....
Where does Vivax suspect Onegu?
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On January 12 2017 09:49 darthfoley wrote: On the other hand, SW knows ika the best and is most likely to correctly scum read him. SW dies.
Except SW has town read ika from d1 into oblivion... so i'm pretty sure my tin foil falls apart lol
I don't need to be an expert on NKA to assume that SW didn't die because scum!ika was terrified that she would turn on him, lol.
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On January 12 2017 09:51 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 09:49 darthfoley wrote: On the other hand, SW knows ika the best and is most likely to correctly scum read him. SW dies.
Except SW has town read ika from d1 into oblivion... so i'm pretty sure my tin foil falls apart lol I don't need to be an expert on NKA to assume that SW didn't die because scum!ika was terrified that she would turn on him, lol.
Like it is possible that ika is scum given that he's just limped into the thread with shitty NKA and no backing but SW dying is definitely not a reason that factors into that.
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On January 12 2017 09:58 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 09:52 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 09:51 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 09:49 darthfoley wrote: On the other hand, SW knows ika the best and is most likely to correctly scum read him. SW dies.
Except SW has town read ika from d1 into oblivion... so i'm pretty sure my tin foil falls apart lol I don't need to be an expert on NKA to assume that SW didn't die because scum!ika was terrified that she would turn on him, lol. Like it is possible that ika is scum given that he's just limped into the thread with shitty NKA and no backing but SW dying is definitely not a reason that factors into that. You really don't know us then. In a world where I she is town and I am scum I would of left her alive or killed her n1. If she's town reading me I would not kill her nor would she kill me.
Don't worry, I don't care to.
Your post is WIFOM since it basically says "I wouldn't have done XYZ as scum" which cannot be proven one way or the other.
Kindly weigh in on the rest of the discussion if you don't mind.
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On January 12 2017 10:00 ika42 wrote: Hell why couldnt you of killed sw calix?
I mean your reason applies to you as well
The levels of logical fallacy in this post are extremely high. My previous post stands and I'm not getting dragged into a discussion about NKA with a player who has yet to talk about anything substantial today.
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On January 12 2017 10:06 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 10:01 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 09:58 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 09:52 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 09:51 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 09:49 darthfoley wrote: On the other hand, SW knows ika the best and is most likely to correctly scum read him. SW dies.
Except SW has town read ika from d1 into oblivion... so i'm pretty sure my tin foil falls apart lol I don't need to be an expert on NKA to assume that SW didn't die because scum!ika was terrified that she would turn on him, lol. Like it is possible that ika is scum given that he's just limped into the thread with shitty NKA and no backing but SW dying is definitely not a reason that factors into that. You really don't know us then. In a world where I she is town and I am scum I would of left her alive or killed her n1. If she's town reading me I would not kill her nor would she kill me. Don't worry, I don't care to. Your post is WIFOM since it basically says "I wouldn't have done XYZ as scum" which cannot be proven one way or the other. Kindly weigh in on the rest of the discussion if you don't mind. about what? im going with silverwolfs reads
Your blind copying of a single "hey guys do you think DF/ Calix/ Onegu are the scum team?" post which she never elaborated on has also been noted, my dude.
There is no way for you to know why she posted that from the thread. There is no reasoning to "sheep"
Explain please.
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On January 12 2017 10:16 Onegu wrote: Im around for interactions for a while if people want to interact with me.
You don't have a lot of content in your filter to discuss. It would be nice if you explained your reads on half of the players here or that Vivax switch in your filter that I flagged up earlier but I'll take whatever at this point.
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On January 12 2017 10:18 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 10:09 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 10:06 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 10:01 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 09:58 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 09:52 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 09:51 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 09:49 darthfoley wrote: On the other hand, SW knows ika the best and is most likely to correctly scum read him. SW dies.
Except SW has town read ika from d1 into oblivion... so i'm pretty sure my tin foil falls apart lol I don't need to be an expert on NKA to assume that SW didn't die because scum!ika was terrified that she would turn on him, lol. Like it is possible that ika is scum given that he's just limped into the thread with shitty NKA and no backing but SW dying is definitely not a reason that factors into that. You really don't know us then. In a world where I she is town and I am scum I would of left her alive or killed her n1. If she's town reading me I would not kill her nor would she kill me. Don't worry, I don't care to. Your post is WIFOM since it basically says "I wouldn't have done XYZ as scum" which cannot be proven one way or the other. Kindly weigh in on the rest of the discussion if you don't mind. about what? im going with silverwolfs reads Your blind copying of a single "hey guys do you think DF/ Calix/ Onegu are the scum team?" post which she never elaborated on has also been noted, my dude. There is no way for you to know why she posted that from the thread. There is no reasoning to "sheep" Explain please. She is dead and is town. Have no reason to not trust her reads at this point. when have you seen me really elaborate on crap or have "strong reasons: on anything? you of all people know im a gut player
My point is that she didn't explain those reads at all and you are basically scum-reading three people based on one post even though she was hard town-reading two of those names earlier and null-town read the third and - again - she did not say why she made that post.
So not only did you drop all of your previous reads but you're totally unwilling to reconsider...based off NOTHING.
And then you threaten to vote Onegu when he questions you.
The levels of bullshit are too fucking high here.
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On January 12 2017 10:22 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 10:20 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 10:16 Onegu wrote: Im around for interactions for a while if people want to interact with me. You don't have a lot of content in your filter to discuss. It would be nice if you explained your reads on half of the players here or that Vivax switch in your filter that I flagged up earlier but I'll take whatever at this point. What do you mean? Link me
I can remember the gist of it. Basically you had a scum-read on Vivax during D1 and then you went from that to agreeing with him that reps is scummy near SOD2 but you don't explain how your Vivax read progressed during that time or if it changed and then Vivax died so I wanted to know that.
It was like, the one point reps made about you which was decent imo.
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No, I don't want more examples. I just wanted to know where you stood at that point so I shall keep your response in mind.
How do you see Damdred and ika's D3 play atm?
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On January 12 2017 10:27 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 10:23 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 10:18 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 10:09 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 10:06 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 10:01 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 09:58 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 09:52 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 09:51 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 09:49 darthfoley wrote: On the other hand, SW knows ika the best and is most likely to correctly scum read him. SW dies.
Except SW has town read ika from d1 into oblivion... so i'm pretty sure my tin foil falls apart lol I don't need to be an expert on NKA to assume that SW didn't die because scum!ika was terrified that she would turn on him, lol. Like it is possible that ika is scum given that he's just limped into the thread with shitty NKA and no backing but SW dying is definitely not a reason that factors into that. You really don't know us then. In a world where I she is town and I am scum I would of left her alive or killed her n1. If she's town reading me I would not kill her nor would she kill me. Don't worry, I don't care to. Your post is WIFOM since it basically says "I wouldn't have done XYZ as scum" which cannot be proven one way or the other. Kindly weigh in on the rest of the discussion if you don't mind. about what? im going with silverwolfs reads Your blind copying of a single "hey guys do you think DF/ Calix/ Onegu are the scum team?" post which she never elaborated on has also been noted, my dude. There is no way for you to know why she posted that from the thread. There is no reasoning to "sheep" Explain please. She is dead and is town. Have no reason to not trust her reads at this point. when have you seen me really elaborate on crap or have "strong reasons: on anything? you of all people know im a gut player 1)My point is that she didn't explain those reads at all and you are basically scum-reading three people based on one post even though she was hard town-reading two of those names earlier and null-town read the third and - again - she did not say why she made that post. 2)So not only did you drop all of your previous reads but you're totally unwilling to reconsider...based off NOTHING. 3)And then you threaten to vote Onegu when he questions you. 4)The levels of bullshit are too fucking high here. 1)she doesnt have to, she fliped town. thats a reason in of itself 2) hypocritical much? i trust her over myself many times oover, you can see any hydra game and understand why i trusst her reads more 3) it wasnt a threat per say it was more of a joke comment 4) so you gonna vote me then or just whine about it?
1. lol? You need to hop off your GF's dick, my dude.
2. There is no hypocrisy in my response. I said that you dropped everything to sheep one line she made. You...agree with me that you're doing that.
4. No because I think Boston is much scummier but holy shit, your posts today are awful.
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On January 12 2017 10:34 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 10:31 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 10:27 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 10:23 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 10:18 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 10:09 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 10:06 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 10:01 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 09:58 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 09:52 Calix wrote: [quote]
Like it is possible that ika is scum given that he's just limped into the thread with shitty NKA and no backing but SW dying is definitely not a reason that factors into that. You really don't know us then. In a world where I she is town and I am scum I would of left her alive or killed her n1. If she's town reading me I would not kill her nor would she kill me. Don't worry, I don't care to. Your post is WIFOM since it basically says "I wouldn't have done XYZ as scum" which cannot be proven one way or the other. Kindly weigh in on the rest of the discussion if you don't mind. about what? im going with silverwolfs reads Your blind copying of a single "hey guys do you think DF/ Calix/ Onegu are the scum team?" post which she never elaborated on has also been noted, my dude. There is no way for you to know why she posted that from the thread. There is no reasoning to "sheep" Explain please. She is dead and is town. Have no reason to not trust her reads at this point. when have you seen me really elaborate on crap or have "strong reasons: on anything? you of all people know im a gut player 1)My point is that she didn't explain those reads at all and you are basically scum-reading three people based on one post even though she was hard town-reading two of those names earlier and null-town read the third and - again - she did not say why she made that post. 2)So not only did you drop all of your previous reads but you're totally unwilling to reconsider...based off NOTHING. 3)And then you threaten to vote Onegu when he questions you. 4)The levels of bullshit are too fucking high here. 1)she doesnt have to, she fliped town. thats a reason in of itself 2) hypocritical much? i trust her over myself many times oover, you can see any hydra game and understand why i trusst her reads more 3) it wasnt a threat per say it was more of a joke comment 4) so you gonna vote me then or just whine about it? 1. lol? You need to hop off your GF's dick, my dude. 2. There is no hypocrisy in my response. I said that you dropped everything to sheep one line she made. You...agree with me that you're doing that. 4. No because I think Boston is much scummier but holy shit, your posts today are awful. !) how about you keep the personal attack and the RL out of the game 2) im poinging it out that you almost never revaulate so it kinda is lol 4) are you going to vote me?
1. Says the guy who constantly brings up his relationship with SW.
2. Evidence or GTFO with your groundless comments.
4. I don't know, I can't see the future. Why do you care if I'm 'going to' vote for you? lol
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On January 12 2017 10:34 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 10:29 Calix wrote: No, I don't want more examples. I just wanted to know where you stood at that point so I shall keep your response in mind.
How do you see Damdred and ika's D3 play atm? Damdred looks good from his play. There are things I dont like. I dont like how he came into the thread and was like that was a bad lynch on btdt when that lynch had to happen. And KSC looked bad and I think he is the one person in this thread who would kill vivax. Vivax thought he was scum and KSC knew vivax as one of the better players and could get his lynch through.
I don't consider NKA to be a very reliable way to read people. I can kinda see where you're coming from with your BTDT thing though. Do you have any other reasons to scum-read KSC?
And as for ika?
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On January 12 2017 10:40 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 10:37 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 10:34 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 10:31 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 10:27 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 10:23 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 10:18 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 10:09 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 10:06 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 10:01 Calix wrote: [quote]
Don't worry, I don't care to.
Your post is WIFOM since it basically says "I wouldn't have done XYZ as scum" which cannot be proven one way or the other.
Kindly weigh in on the rest of the discussion if you don't mind. about what? im going with silverwolfs reads Your blind copying of a single "hey guys do you think DF/ Calix/ Onegu are the scum team?" post which she never elaborated on has also been noted, my dude. There is no way for you to know why she posted that from the thread. There is no reasoning to "sheep" Explain please. She is dead and is town. Have no reason to not trust her reads at this point. when have you seen me really elaborate on crap or have "strong reasons: on anything? you of all people know im a gut player 1)My point is that she didn't explain those reads at all and you are basically scum-reading three people based on one post even though she was hard town-reading two of those names earlier and null-town read the third and - again - she did not say why she made that post. 2)So not only did you drop all of your previous reads but you're totally unwilling to reconsider...based off NOTHING. 3)And then you threaten to vote Onegu when he questions you. 4)The levels of bullshit are too fucking high here. 1)she doesnt have to, she fliped town. thats a reason in of itself 2) hypocritical much? i trust her over myself many times oover, you can see any hydra game and understand why i trusst her reads more 3) it wasnt a threat per say it was more of a joke comment 4) so you gonna vote me then or just whine about it? 1. lol? You need to hop off your GF's dick, my dude. 2. There is no hypocrisy in my response. I said that you dropped everything to sheep one line she made. You...agree with me that you're doing that. 4. No because I think Boston is much scummier but holy shit, your posts today are awful. !) how about you keep the personal attack and the RL out of the game 2) im poinging it out that you almost never revaulate so it kinda is lol 4) are you going to vote me? 1. Says the guy who constantly brings up his relationship with SW. 2. Evidence or GTFO with your groundless comments. 4. I don't know, I can't see the future. Why do you care if I'm 'going to' vote for you? lol 1) i have not brought it up outside of maybe the begginng of the game to claify to people we live together. even if i had i have not used it as a reason to town read her and have explained many in game reasons. if anything i have brought up more about my personal RL (overnights) then hers 2) fringe and overwatch come to mind 4) becasue your doing nothing but discrediting and not treating me like im scum so i want to see if your going to put your money where your mouth is
2. I didn't play in Fringe.
4. I'm not 'discrediting' you, I'm pushing you to explain your reasoning for sheeping a single post that has no reasoning.
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On January 12 2017 10:43 ika42 wrote: as well as any sc2 game you played where you were town. also ive heard the same tends to happen here so...
>claims I'm 'discrediting' him >makes a post doing nothing but discrediting my play
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Like are you actually going to do this thing called "scum-hunting" or are you just going to talk about night kills and contradict yourself ten times over? Because if it's the latter then I'm already bored.
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On January 12 2017 10:48 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 10:40 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 10:34 Onegu wrote:On January 12 2017 10:29 Calix wrote: No, I don't want more examples. I just wanted to know where you stood at that point so I shall keep your response in mind.
How do you see Damdred and ika's D3 play atm? Damdred looks good from his play. There are things I dont like. I dont like how he came into the thread and was like that was a bad lynch on btdt when that lynch had to happen. And KSC looked bad and I think he is the one person in this thread who would kill vivax. Vivax thought he was scum and KSC knew vivax as one of the better players and could get his lynch through. I don't consider NKA to be a very reliable way to read people. I can kinda see where you're coming from with your BTDT thing though. Do you have any other reasons to scum-read KSC? And as for ika? No not really have anything else. Kinda why I am pushing boston and reps over him at the moment because my read isnt that strong on him... ika. meh he has been under my radar for most of the game. I will need to filter dive him.
Let me know what you think if you do that soonish.
I don't think you've talked about me very much so I'm open to hearing that.
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On January 12 2017 10:48 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 10:46 Calix wrote: Like are you actually going to do this thing called "scum-hunting" or are you just going to talk about night kills and contradict yourself ten times over? Because if it's the latter then I'm already bored. you can ignore me if you like. ill just leave my vote on you
Regardless of alignments, that is 100% the worst way to play MYLO.
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On January 12 2017 10:55 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 10:53 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 10:48 ika42 wrote:On January 12 2017 10:46 Calix wrote: Like are you actually going to do this thing called "scum-hunting" or are you just going to talk about night kills and contradict yourself ten times over? Because if it's the latter then I'm already bored. you can ignore me if you like. ill just leave my vote on you Regardless of alignments, that is 100% the worst way to play MYLO. Wait are we in mylo?
Yes.
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On January 12 2017 11:00 Onegu wrote: At ika and calix
We are not going to lynch the 2 people with the biggest filter with 3 mafia alive in mylo. So if you want to keep your reads but you two are not the lynch today...
Unless I've misunderstood something, we're faced with triple MYLO so I don't think letting scummy behaviour slide from a person unlikely to die today is a good idea. It just means that it's a normal day but with us being especially focused on who the lynch is.
At least that's how I am going to play it.
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On January 12 2017 11:21 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 11:06 Calix wrote:On January 12 2017 11:00 Onegu wrote: At ika and calix
We are not going to lynch the 2 people with the biggest filter with 3 mafia alive in mylo. So if you want to keep your reads but you two are not the lynch today... Unless I've misunderstood something, we're faced with triple MYLO so I don't think letting scummy behaviour slide from a person unlikely to die today is a good idea. It just means that it's a normal day but with us being especially focused on who the lynch is. At least that's how I am going to play it. A few reasons. First keeping up this activity as scum is difficult for newer players. Especially when a game like this doesnt have much activity. It gives both of you town points. Second it makes you guys likely to be night kills. If one of you dies and the other doesnt makes it easier for the other players to take a closer look at the other one. So even though we are in triple lylo I would prefer to not lynch the large filter players. I will look into both of you, but if you guys want to lynch each other I want a detailed case, 1 post with links and point by point reasons. Even then I think Boston or Reps is a better lynch.
Both of us have played off-site so we're not inexperienced. I'm more new by TL 'veteran player' standards as this is my fifth game here.
Having everyone be looked at is the best move, I think. Don't want anyone getting a pass and skating by.
I have to sleep soon because I have to pack up and leave in the morning but I'll be doing this when I get settled down. Activity for tomorrow is going to be poor which sucks given the forced MYLO -.-
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On January 12 2017 12:00 Damdred wrote: I just think that calix is town here and i'm unsure what to make of whats goign to happen today. Like I don't think anyone is going to cc Kmatt and I probably wouldn't believe Boston at this point since hes the only one who hasn't been in thread today. I am going to sleep early and shoudl be back to actually scum hunt. But looking at the vote count makes me feel a bit strange, like squish has to be scum if boston is scum and that would be a weird mylo at the end. anyway be back
Does it feel weird because Boston is the leading wagon? Because I was thinking about whether that was AI and I came back empty-handed.
If he's town then it's pretty simple, the scum are happily letting him get MLed.
If he's scum then it gets messy. For starters, we have only lynched among the counter-claimers so there's little to be gleaned from VCA on both days. So you can't infer whether the Boston wagon progression on D1 means a lot since that was the only time that he was at risk of being lynched and you can't see if anyone was making an effort to subtly deflect off Boston the following days.
Also hard to tell much from the votes since the main suspect is MIA, the other suspect is voting for the guy he's been scum-reading for the past few cycles and everyone else agrees that both of them are scummy. If those two are on a team (which is possible interactions-wise) then there isn't going to be a lot of resistance to them dying since the third guy is more likely to bus hard and try to stick it out in a 4v2/ 3v1 than risk going down on a sinking ship.
In short, there's not enough information to know what the situation is.
Did Boston even turn up during the night phase?
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On January 12 2017 18:52 Calix wrote: Did Boston even turn up during the night phase?
That's a yes.
Reread his filter to see if any of the points against him were exaggerated. Answer is no. If anything his filter is worse than I recall it being. Shitloads of apologies, reads follow thread sentiment, cares too much about how he's perceived by others, wishy-washy on both Grack and BTDT, was planning on making a town case on me of all the things - that's the tl;dr since he lacks progression with his reads/ posts and he doesn't have many posts where he's posting without being prompted to do so.
I did note that Boston thought reps made a great point about Grack causing chaos which is the only mention of reps I found and it's the only time he openly agrees with someone but I'm not sure if this is AI.
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On January 12 2017 20:43 Onegu wrote: Boston should have been the day 1 lynch I need to go back and look who said it was a bad lynch and was filling up to fast.
Off the top of my head, SW and I were the people who were wary of people jumping on Boston. BTDT came into the thread with a crappy wall-post on Boston that didn't actually show scum motivation and generally, people who try to find new reasons to vote a train that already has steam are scum trying to hide a bandwagon vote.
I also remember not liking reps' vote on Boston because it looked sheepy as hell and he hasn't followed up on the Boston read iirc.
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On January 13 2017 01:47 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2017 17:24 ika42 wrote: I don't see much of a reason to overall.
I mean from your and my pov we know there must be one scum in the dam/calix/1g grouping
So I'm weary of just voting there outright to begin with. Will I prob Vote it in the end? Yes
I just don't have much motivation right now I'm not so sure if there is one scum in that grouping at all though. The fight between you and calix just screams t v t right now, both of you are a bit BM to an extent. And honestly what do you think about B0ston that hes town? You would have to believe that if you 100% go with the list that was left. But why when there is actually good evidence to the contrary you are sort of ignoring at this juncture?
To be honest, I was mostly pissed off at him sheeping his GF without any critical thinking. And I still don't think that makes any fucking sense but apparently everyone else seems to think there's nothing wrong there. idgi
It's also atrocious MYLO play but I know he isn't going to listen to me because "lol Calix's scum, won't consider anything she says" or whatever.
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On January 13 2017 01:55 darthfoley wrote: Like the guy hasn't posted in a long time. Maybe demotivated mafia not wanting to incriminate partners further? Hmmm, I'll need to reread his filter
In terms of activity, we should still lynch him. I don't want to fuck around with "but he might get modkilled" bullshit or risk him pulling a ritoky with a ninja vote, lol.
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I read the Boston/ Onegu thing and I don't think it's SvS either. It's not "showy" enough imo for it to be a setup for Onegu getting all the town credz. Onegu just states his read and doesn't seem to have an agenda of trying to look good from it while Boston is put on the defensive.
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Why does everyone have to fuck off the moment I get in here? lol
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On January 13 2017 02:28 Damdred wrote: I'm here now! just playing with my puppy mwhaha i'll be in and out for a bit though.
it makes onegu town. So that leave (to you) 3 of the most active people in the game as the last scum besides squishy what do you think about the ika stuff?
Will have to reread the argument/ his filter since I'm biased atm, but his D3 posting so far has been complete crap, no scum-hunting or willingness to be open-minded whatsoever.
I do think that it's one of you two though for the last scummer though. You're extremely "meh" while ika has dropped off hard after D2 and it seems like you're aware of this. I can see you two as the "end-game" potential for scum, basically.
DF's been pretty townie for most of the game, he seems to improve as the game progresses and he's not playing like he did in his scum-game. Like if he's scum here then I'd be impressed, lol.
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On January 13 2017 02:39 Damdred wrote: Yeah but on the same side I kinda started the B0ston lynch instead of settling on onegu with all of you and letting the one twon lose the game basically.
And just as an aside its extremely bad scum play to start clearing people like I did ME (shitty reasons but right) and Onegu. Who are both potential mislynches.
Of course i'll be meh i've been in game like 36 hours at most but have found two scums so far. So thats not so meh after all hehe
I don't think who votes for someone first in MYLO is a town tell, sorry to break it to you
Your second point is kinda why I have doubts about you because you initially jumped into the game and was like "oh DF's probably scum" and explained it and then he made this one post and you dropped it. At this point, I'm not sure that scum would set up a scum-read like that and then drop it so quick.
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On January 13 2017 02:40 Damdred wrote: Not really to interested in defending myself yet though.
Not sure why you think i'm meh though (though you always do to some extent)
Yeah I always think you're scummy so that doesn't help since I won't know when you are actually scum, lol. I think it's the way you talk because I recall getting hung up on how you worded XYZ or something in the past.
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On January 13 2017 02:46 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2017 02:43 Calix wrote:On January 13 2017 02:39 Damdred wrote: Yeah but on the same side I kinda started the B0ston lynch instead of settling on onegu with all of you and letting the one twon lose the game basically.
And just as an aside its extremely bad scum play to start clearing people like I did ME (shitty reasons but right) and Onegu. Who are both potential mislynches.
Of course i'll be meh i've been in game like 36 hours at most but have found two scums so far. So thats not so meh after all hehe I don't think who votes for someone first in MYLO is a town tell, sorry to break it to you Your second point is kinda why I have doubts about you because you initially jumped into the game and was like "oh DF's probably scum" and explained it and then he made this one post and you dropped it. At this point, I'm not sure that scum would set up a scum-read like that and then drop it so quick. Naw i'm nto saying first vote is a town tell, i'm saying that there is no way that its good scum play in tripple mylo to give both of your scum mates up and then clear two easy lynches. But its not really worth talking about. I did find scum though I thin in squishy and b0ston. So not sure why none of this is playing into your read except of one read proression i made?
Because the only person in the game that doesn't think those two are scummy is ika.
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For the record, I prefer reading your ika arguments as opposed to defending yourself
Especially as I've just realised that I have absolutely no food in my house so have to sort out that.
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On January 13 2017 21:18 ika42 wrote: Finally off overnights till Sunday.
I briefly read up and I'm gonna address the quick thing that I saw that calix mentioned
Calix, you yourself has said you have played very little in the mylo/mylo (cus you did so much) I have played more then I can enjoy so seeing how votes are not locked and there's no majority I am considering all options right now. I mean if bos is town, gg.
If he's scum it's clear someone is bussing cus we have a 4v3 situation and you have to realize yourself that not everyone voting can be town at this point. So I'm scum hunting for the person who is bussing. That includes you
Why are you talking to me like you think I'm town? You've been saying "Calix is scum" for most of the game but the last line looks like you're legitimately trying to convince me that you're really scum-hunting and shit.
Speaking of which, how the hell have you been scum-hunting today? Arguing with me doesn't count, lol.
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On January 14 2017 02:27 ika42 wrote: oh the case is about logic.
well news flash: i dont care for logic and never will
Still using this mantra, I see.
No shade, but why do you sign up for games if this is your attitude to playing them?
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On January 14 2017 03:54 Damdred wrote: I'm not buddyign you i'm trying to actually get you to play instead of tilting over nothing.
there is roughly 5 hours before the lynch happens if you don't think b0ston is scum nows not the time to hold back when you know we lose if hes town?
I think Squishy is mafia and I think B0ston is mafia. Am I wrong on either and why exactly?
Yeah I don't get what the point is with limping into the thread and saying that we're auto-pilot on Boston and reps (who he doesn't scum-read) without doing anything to change anyone's mind.
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On January 14 2017 04:12 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 04:11 darthfoley wrote: Why are you acting like the only motivation behind killing SW would've been her read on you? name a different motivation. i've named several others but all ive been told is that im wrong
Trying to pin down NKs to individual motivations doesn't work when you have multiple scum team members left in the game.
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On January 14 2017 04:13 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 04:10 Calix wrote:On January 14 2017 03:54 Damdred wrote: I'm not buddyign you i'm trying to actually get you to play instead of tilting over nothing.
there is roughly 5 hours before the lynch happens if you don't think b0ston is scum nows not the time to hold back when you know we lose if hes town?
I think Squishy is mafia and I think B0ston is mafia. Am I wrong on either and why exactly? Yeah I don't get what the point is with limping into the thread and saying that we're auto-pilot on Boston and reps (who he doesn't scum-read) without doing anything to change anyone's mind. so i should afk instead?
No, I'd rather hear your thoughts on why either of them are town or why one of your scum-reads are scum.
Preferably both but I'll take baby steps.
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On January 14 2017 04:17 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 04:04 Calix wrote:On January 13 2017 21:18 ika42 wrote: Finally off overnights till Sunday.
I briefly read up and I'm gonna address the quick thing that I saw that calix mentioned
Calix, you yourself has said you have played very little in the mylo/mylo (cus you did so much) I have played more then I can enjoy so seeing how votes are not locked and there's no majority I am considering all options right now. I mean if bos is town, gg.
If he's scum it's clear someone is bussing cus we have a 4v3 situation and you have to realize yourself that not everyone voting can be town at this point. So I'm scum hunting for the person who is bussing. That includes you Why are you talking to me like you think I'm town? You've been saying "Calix is scum" for most of the game but the last line looks like you're legitimately trying to convince me that you're really scum-hunting and shit. Speaking of which, how the hell have you been scum-hunting today? Arguing with me doesn't count, lol. ive had you between null and scum most of the game. arguing with you is how i have been scum hunting you. the rest of the time i have been busy. do i consider you possible town? yes am i sold on you being town? no you again, have said "never dont lylo/mylo" how you do it (or at least how i do it) is i scratch all my reads, read the most trusted dead person (or jsut the last nk) and go form there most times votes would end on majority so without that its diffrent cus you dont have the basic "1v1" each time.
Right.
What did you get out of the argument if you were scum-hunting me there?
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On January 14 2017 04:22 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 04:15 darthfoley wrote: Dude you haven't even tried to explain your reasoning behind your scum reads. As Damdred said, if you think Calix is scum, please explain why. The game will continue if we're right about B0ston and it will end if we're wrong so please give a shit? here the thing, to get any other lynch we need bos in event hes town otherwise he will: A)be modkilled B) replaced and still be the scummiest slot as for explanations: guts and meta and trusting SW. calix can shit on the dead all she like, it does not change that they are town and thir ideas and thoughts come form a towns mind. thats why i vaule her reads over mine, shes a better player then i cna veer be
I see a glimmer of a valid point here with your first line if you're arguing what I think you're arguing.
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On January 14 2017 04:27 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 04:25 Calix wrote:On January 14 2017 04:22 ika42 wrote:On January 14 2017 04:15 darthfoley wrote: Dude you haven't even tried to explain your reasoning behind your scum reads. As Damdred said, if you think Calix is scum, please explain why. The game will continue if we're right about B0ston and it will end if we're wrong so please give a shit? here the thing, to get any other lynch we need bos in event hes town otherwise he will: A)be modkilled B) replaced and still be the scummiest slot as for explanations: guts and meta and trusting SW. calix can shit on the dead all she like, it does not change that they are town and thir ideas and thoughts come form a towns mind. thats why i vaule her reads over mine, shes a better player then i cna veer be I see a glimmer of a valid point here with your first line if you're arguing what I think you're arguing. go ahead and say it, im too tired to try to see if this mirrors the reason im thinking
What I got out of that was that you are put at a disadvantage with trying to lynch anyone else because if Boston is town then you have one less town vote to stack on your scum-reads.
Although I'm not sure why you wouldn't be voting Onegu if that was the case so idk.
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Wait, I thought your scum team was Onegu/ Calix/ DF. What changed?
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On January 14 2017 04:32 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 04:30 Calix wrote:On January 14 2017 04:27 ika42 wrote:On January 14 2017 04:25 Calix wrote:On January 14 2017 04:22 ika42 wrote:On January 14 2017 04:15 darthfoley wrote: Dude you haven't even tried to explain your reasoning behind your scum reads. As Damdred said, if you think Calix is scum, please explain why. The game will continue if we're right about B0ston and it will end if we're wrong so please give a shit? here the thing, to get any other lynch we need bos in event hes town otherwise he will: A)be modkilled B) replaced and still be the scummiest slot as for explanations: guts and meta and trusting SW. calix can shit on the dead all she like, it does not change that they are town and thir ideas and thoughts come form a towns mind. thats why i vaule her reads over mine, shes a better player then i cna veer be I see a glimmer of a valid point here with your first line if you're arguing what I think you're arguing. go ahead and say it, im too tired to try to see if this mirrors the reason im thinking What I got out of that was that you are put at a disadvantage with trying to lynch anyone else because if Boston is town then you have one less town vote to stack on your scum-reads. Although I'm not sure why you wouldn't be voting Onegu if that was the case so idk. its more then jsut that. its the literal fact that without him scum can win jsut by leaving him alive. if he gets modkilled then thats game if he gets replaced. we have to deal with a player who has a slot thats been scummy as fuck.
+1
I prefer this ika coming in with the good points.
Does this sound patronising as fuck? Probably but that's too bad.
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On January 14 2017 04:36 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 04:34 ika42 wrote:On January 14 2017 04:32 Calix wrote: Wait, I thought your scum team was Onegu/ Calix/ DF. What changed? im gonna say this once as calmly as possible cus im about to reach overtilt: i have no clue who the scum team is at this point and until the bos lynch is done i don't feel like trying to make worlds out of it Honestly man that's all just WIFOM + Show Spoiler +i'm kidding pls don't hurt me
You madman.
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Man, I want to see how obvious mafia we were to the obs :D
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Also lol at kmatt wanting to shoot me N1. Hilariously close.
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NM: calix is playing very town, but I coached her when she was last mafia. she's capable of playing well as mafia. still remember our last qt together. she knows how to play. in fact, if she's alive past d3 or in mylo, you lynch her. no mafia team should leave her alive when you're down to your last lynch.
I managed to endgame as scum though!
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On January 14 2017 09:10 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 09:36 Kmatt wrote:On January 09 2017 09:31 reps)squishy wrote:On January 09 2017 09:26 darthfoley wrote:On January 09 2017 09:22 reps)squishy wrote:On January 09 2017 09:19 beentheredonethat wrote: I got roleblocked. But noone is going to believe that anyways^^ so good night I am now leaning btdt as town. @Onegu: do you still stand by this statement? On January 08 2017 14:07 Onegu wrote: Just FYI 100% we lynch btdt tomorrow. Even though I give btdt a 30% chance of being scum. He has to be lynched. It is a terrible play as scum as scum could just shoot him. The only way it becomes a ok play is if they think the lynch would go from grack to a actual scum player. Even then its not great as btdt wasnt being looked at. I think it comes from town more often than not who thinks he will save the actual doctor from having to CC and then lynch scum and eat a bullet. Wanting to make the hero play. But this play needs to be punished. Plus a 30% chance to hit scum is fine. you're gonna have to explain that one to me. Why? I cannot see him making that up if he were scum... He's full of shit. I'm the vig and I blew my load on Vivax. Thought I was being clever but apparently all his shpeal about not surviving the night was true for more than one reason. I've been lolling at this post for like a good five minutes. Completely forgot about it. I'd like to nominate Kmatt for some of the funniest in game posts i've ever seen
I second this so hard.
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On January 14 2017 09:11 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 09:06 Vivax wrote:On January 14 2017 09:03 darthfoley wrote: Vivax had it before he backtracked on me in obs :o Damn yours and Calix mylo tryharding for that. Idk i wanted to still have town cred if for some reason people decided squishy was the lynch
I wasn't even tryharding this game. All I did was post and hardly ever read filters and I defended my scum buddies for the entire game because I could get away with it.
Too bad I can't abuse the "DF IS REALLY BAD AT SCUM GUISE" meta read anymore. Now I might actually have to read your filter in future games
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On January 14 2017 09:19 darthfoley wrote: We used skype for our QT basically; i think calix said she'd dump some shit somewhere. A lot of it was off topic though, so i'll let her handle that
I'm extremely lazy but maybe I'll do it if people actually want it, lol. Scum QT covers like 30% of what was discussed via Skype.
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On January 14 2017 09:23 Vivax wrote: Go sign up for liquidmania qualifier we got time until sunday.
I'll consider it. I kinda want to roll scum again and have my arse kicked by veteran players so I can ACTUALLY improve.
Only problem is with how much the current players are gonna play. Inactivity is a real mood killer.
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I would also appreciate any comments about how to improve, especially from scumformation
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Vigilante should be used to shoot a counter-wagon or a lurker imo. Counter-wagon gives town information and a lurker means that you don't have to waste a lynch on a useless player.
In this case, I cannot fathom why BTDT was NOT shot. lmao
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On January 14 2017 09:32 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 09:29 Calix wrote:I would also appreciate any comments about how to improve, especially from scumformation TBH big thing was: I was 100% on squishy after his vote on grack eod1 and you were defending/deflecting a lot of good points that were going in his direction. generally you seemed like you were dismissing/defending/deflecting a whole lot of stuff and not looking into stuff of your own a lot. also the thing kita pointed out.
I know that I was going out of my way to deflect off squishy but if you take that out, would you have caught me individually?
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Also I really hate night kill analysis. I'm the sort of person who prefers focusing on what you can see in the thread so when people waste time with NKA, it annoys me. I think the concept of trying to figure out why scum shot someone when they're still a team and you do not know their motivations for sure is stupid. It's not as bad when one scummer's left though.
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On January 14 2017 09:40 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 09:37 Calix wrote: Also I really hate night kill analysis. I'm the sort of person who prefers focusing on what you can see in the thread so when people waste time with NKA, it annoys me. I think the concept of trying to figure out why scum shot someone when they're still a team and you do not know their motivations for sure is stupid. It's not as bad when one scummer's left though. fair enough. it can be very very wifom. still you have access to reads of a confirmed town now. shouldnt hurt to take a peek. (wish i would do this more often myself)
In my opinion, alignments can be determined solely by post analysis and everything else is WIFOM that scum can use to frame townies or "confirm" themselves. People who rely on that as a crutch are admitting that they are so bad at reading players that they cannot use the words/ actions that the player ACTUALLY took to determine their alignment.
I think I would have been more pissed off as town at how much time was spent on discussing the night kill...
It's completely unnecessary.
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That's not why we shot SW though.
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On January 14 2017 09:56 Koshi wrote:lol. I can't believe that.
It's pretty simple, my dear. Shoot the people you can't discredit in MYLO.
Also had the nice benefit of weakening ika's standing in the town.
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On January 14 2017 10:00 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 09:58 Calix wrote:On January 14 2017 09:56 Koshi wrote:On January 14 2017 09:53 Calix wrote: That's not why we shot SW though. lol. I can't believe that. It's pretty simple, my dear. Shoot the people you can't discredit in MYLO. Also had the nice benefit of weakening ika's standing in the town. Oh sure. it was way more likely you would discredit the fucking confirmed blue vig... Come on. Maybe it wasn't your main reason or second reason or even maybe third. But there is always a reason and that is what ika is pointing out. nk aren't random. And there are enough games in which some guy accidentally posts the entire scumteam somewhere during the day, changes his mind but still gets shot over more influential people. Palmar is a pretty good mafia player and his tactic literally is: 'You scumread me? I shoot you". And it works cuz nobody is left to lynch him.
Yeah we were gonna shoot kmatt N3 but then the modkill happened and shooting the active credible player > lurky sheep town was way better.
You're not entirely wrong since that was why we shot Vivax N1 even though few people took him seriously.
I have some questions. Did you scum-read me during the game? If so, what gave me away? Would love some advice there from the One and Only Koshi
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On January 14 2017 10:02 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 09:44 Calix wrote:On January 14 2017 09:40 disformation wrote:On January 14 2017 09:37 Calix wrote: Also I really hate night kill analysis. I'm the sort of person who prefers focusing on what you can see in the thread so when people waste time with NKA, it annoys me. I think the concept of trying to figure out why scum shot someone when they're still a team and you do not know their motivations for sure is stupid. It's not as bad when one scummer's left though. fair enough. it can be very very wifom. still you have access to reads of a confirmed town now. shouldnt hurt to take a peek. (wish i would do this more often myself) In my opinion, alignments can be determined solely by post analysis and everything else is WIFOM that scum can use to frame townies or "confirm" themselves. People who rely on that as a crutch are admitting that they are so bad at reading players that they cannot use the words/ actions that the player ACTUALLY took to determine their alignment. I think I would have been more pissed off as town at how much time was spent on discussing the night kill... It's completely unnecessary. I never said to rely on NKA alone. That is indeed very bad. But it is a tool that can help or add to building a case. Some ppl are pretty hard to catch solely with post analysis. Esp. in a disharmonic town.
"pretty hard to catch"
That's where the fun is.
I'm not expecting people to agree with me since it's so ingrained in site meta/s but don't expect me to start using it in my analysis. I'm basically just posting this shit to quote in future games if anyone calls me out for saying "NKA sucks and you suck for using it"
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On January 14 2017 10:07 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 10:04 Calix wrote:On January 14 2017 10:00 Koshi wrote:On January 14 2017 09:58 Calix wrote:On January 14 2017 09:56 Koshi wrote:On January 14 2017 09:53 Calix wrote: That's not why we shot SW though. lol. I can't believe that. It's pretty simple, my dear. Shoot the people you can't discredit in MYLO. Also had the nice benefit of weakening ika's standing in the town. Oh sure. it was way more likely you would discredit the fucking confirmed blue vig... Come on. Maybe it wasn't your main reason or second reason or even maybe third. But there is always a reason and that is what ika is pointing out. nk aren't random. And there are enough games in which some guy accidentally posts the entire scumteam somewhere during the day, changes his mind but still gets shot over more influential people. Palmar is a pretty good mafia player and his tactic literally is: 'You scumread me? I shoot you". And it works cuz nobody is left to lynch him. Yeah we were gonna shoot kmatt N3 but then the modkill happened and shooting the active credible player > lurky sheep town was way better. You're not entirely wrong since that was why we shot Vivax N1 even though few people took him seriously. I have some questions. Did you scum-read me during the game? If so, what gave me away? Would love some advice there from the One and Only Koshi I didn't and I am very upset about it. I had darthfoley as sure scum and waffled on and off reps. But I was 1.000% convinced Onegu was mafia but of course he wasn't again. That being said, I call in the excuse of not really reading the thread or playing in it. Because with me in it Vivax and Grack were going to be lock town and we would be dominating the search. Really weird he got so much flak. He got flak for pressuring mafia!darthfoley...
If I got one thing from this game, it's that satisfaction
Yeah, the fact that Vivax/ Grack were major D1 lynch candidates was a real blessing for mafia. I actually thought lynching those two would be hard :D
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I am actually going to start playing more neutral as town. I can't match the level of emotion I have as town as mafia. It's my ultimate scum tell and I can't shake it off.
I'm going to make my town game less emotional/ passionate so that it stops being a tell.
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On January 14 2017 10:17 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 10:16 disformation wrote: Well you came in as a super questionable slot and were instantly obvious town. Not often anymore people say this you know
Maybe it was because obvscum!Calix was trying to discredit you the moment you walked in
If it's any consolation, the reaction on Skype to seeing that you were the replacement was...amusing.
Speaking of that, shout out to DF and squishy who were great to play with. It's a refreshing change to have a team who you can actually work with instead of lugging around like dead-weight.
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On January 14 2017 10:22 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 10:20 Calix wrote:On January 14 2017 10:17 Damdred wrote:On January 14 2017 10:16 disformation wrote: Well you came in as a super questionable slot and were instantly obvious town. Not often anymore people say this you know Maybe it was because obvscum!Calix was trying to discredit you the moment you walked in If it's any consolation, the reaction on Skype to seeing that you were the replacement was...amusing. Speaking of that, shout out to DF and squishy who were great to play with. It's a refreshing change to have a team who you can actually work with instead of lugging around like dead-weight. Right back atcha. I couldn't be scum because my one scum a year ago was different, right?
Meanwhile I was obvious town because I was sarcastic and blunt
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On January 14 2017 10:34 darthfoley wrote: Is it possible to have all three scum as newbies? That would be unfortunate
Of course.
I think Skynx and BTDT can tell you all about that
As for kmatt's posts, I see so much great quote potential. Totally using "MOM GET THE CAMERA" to hint at a vig shot.
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I was also passive/ apathetic because of RL which is why my scum game wasn't that great.
Not saying that this invalidates the meta tell but people questioning me this game based on that shouldn't have been doing that imo.
Going back to game-relevant matters, I feel like it's almost impossible to win as scum against a good town. It doesn't even matter how well your team functions or whether people town-read you if town are functioning even half-properly. I have no idea how mafia wins as often as they do...
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On December 24 2016 02:22 kitaman27 wrote:Player ListNewbies1) reps)squishy the Mafia Roleblocker, survived2) Kmatt the Town Vigilante, endgamed day three3) MichaelEhrmantraut the Vanilla Town, modkilled day two4) ika42 the Vanilla Town, endgamed day three5) SilverWolf77 the Vanilla Town, killed night two6) B0stonSC the Vanilla Town, lynched day threeVets1) beentheredonethat the Vanilla Town, lynched day two2) Grackaroni the Town Doctor, lynched day one3) KelsierSC replaced by damdred the Vanilla Town, endgamed day three4) Onegu the Vanilla Town, endgamed day three5) darthfoley the Mafia Roleblocker, survived6) Calix the Mafia Godfather, survived7) Vivax the Vanilla Town, killed night one
Shouldn't this say "modkilled Night 2" and have darthfoley as the Mafia Goon?
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