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I don't mind a coach but I can function fine without one  | ||
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His name is the most inaccurate thing I've ever seen. He's always unlucky in games :') | ||
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Of course. Lynching the scum is so much easier when you sneak into their private chat, didn't you know? It's just getting late here and I'm going to be busy for a lot of tomorrow with unpacking so I won't be super-active today. | ||
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On September 24 2016 07:11 Xatalos wrote: K. I'll be sleeping soon too. However, one thing - why did you decide to make a first post with only the content of claiming future inactivity? Because it's true. I'm not going to be lurking, just explaining why my activity isn't going to be as good as it was in my first game. It has nothing to do with my alignment since it's RL and I'd like to think that people aren't going to read into that. Lying about RL is unsportsmanlike. | ||
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I got the impression that people tend to be pretty laid-back/ lazy around here myself. | ||
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Anyhow, I'll just refresh the page for a bit or something. | ||
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This conversation is only a rung up above spam. Go to sleep, ya nub. | ||
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Threaten to lynch the scummy low-post players so that they post more. Threaten to vig the idiotic players so that they get smart. Even if there's no vig, nobody knows that so it forces the scum to post constructively and often or get fucked. Also means you don't stick yourself down in a policy lynch like an hour in, lol. The end. | ||
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On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote: This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata. You only got two responses before claiming it was a reaction-test? | ||
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@Daneler, were you going anywhere with your entrance post? All you did was agree with Jealous and point out that Stutters' entrance is odd. | ||
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On September 24 2016 08:47 DanelerH wrote: I use "odd" and "strange" for I find something that might warrant suspicion, so that's what I was going with. Admittedly, not a strong lead, but I was hoping it would go somewhere. The best person to make things 'go somewhere' is yourself, dear. Expecting others to do the work is never going to work out and only demonstrates a lack of initiative. Since you proposed this line of thought, why do you think scum would open a post by claiming "non-scum" over say, "town" or not claiming at all or what have you? | ||
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On September 24 2016 08:56 DanelerH wrote: I see no reason for Town to claim anything. They only care about getting the Mafia lynched. Mafia, however, wants Town to think they're also Town. By saying "I'm not Mafia" or "I'm Town", they can attempt to establish it early on, which is why I find it to be something that warrants suspicion. That's something you're characterising as not-town to do, not mafia. Question. Does your logic also apply to claiming a TPR? (so if a person claimed TPR, would you suspect them because you see no reason for town to claim and if not, why? Just curious because it sounds like that is what you are implying here) Otherwise I like how this answer was set out. Simple and direct. | ||
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I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff. On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote: Interesting idea. What does this achieve? Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^ Also hi there. I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you. I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night. Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis. I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely. As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself) Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense. Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange: On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote: This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata. Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention. Stutters: My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play. Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation. It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here. On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote: Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it. Stutters is so far the most obvious townie. I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart. This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything! This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out. What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread? Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people?  Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here? If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone? | ||
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 Can't quote anything right now so I'll use post numbers if I want to make a point. ptmc, I'm not sure if you're still scum-reading SoulQueen but RVS is NAI, although it's not something that people on this site engage in. It's something that some other mafia sites do to start the game off. My site often does this to 'generate discussion' - it's not effective but people do it anyway. So if that's the only reason you're scum-reading SoulQueen then you should really reconsider, lol. The only questionable thing is them voting for Stutters when he was being suspected a bit and that means nothing until we know what Stutters is. | ||
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??? #278 is a generic defense with the "makes sense from scum perspective but also from town" from DanelerH. His case on Lunatic is also pretty bad. (he made one town-read and refuses to explain it - this is more indicative of stubbornness/ stupidity because all you get out of doing that is drawing a stupid amount of attention to yourself) Daneler made that post after Rels questioned Lunatic. I'm noticing a pattern of Daneler accusing people after someone else has (first with Stutters and then with Lunatic) so I suspect a bandwagoner on the loose here given he's done it twice now. Overall, I am still undecided on Daneler. Not because he has done nothing AI whatsoever but every time I think he's town, he does something sketchy and vice versa so I don't even fucking know what to make of him. Right now, Lunatic's more anti-town than pro-scum imo because I don't see scum motivation for saying "this suspected person is my top town-read but you can go fuck yourself if you ask why". It doesn't give a good defense of Stutters. (scum/ scum) It's a pitiful attempt at white-knighting if I've ever seen one. (scum/ town) There was no reason for him to even make that comment in the first place so the "he's making up an excuse" explanation doesn't mesh well with me. If these two are still the main suspects then I'm skeptical of the odds of lynching correctly today. | ||
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Anyway, he says he's one of the more productive players - if that's productive then this game is a spam-fest. He also claims he's building a town circle which I have yet to see on both points. (his weird-ass town-read on Stutters doesn't count) I recall him saying he was going to investigate the first few posters or something - has he followed up on that? With regards to TPR-hunting, again, that's anti-town because scum would just post their TPR-reads into their private chat. It's also insanely retarded to do as town and if Lunatic thought that Stutters was blue then he should have just defended Stutters using his posts to avoid this. I have no idea what he was trying to achieve there but I guarantee that the execution was terrible. This read is shit because a lot of his actions require a crapload of WIFOM to decipher. His mindset doesn't make any bloody sense to me and I don't see a coherent explanation for his actions for town or scum, so I'd like to clear that up. This reasoning is similar with Daneler to an extent as I am finding him difficult to place. However he is less disruptive to the chat compared to Lunatic. | ||
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