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Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
August 29 2016 11:05 GMT
#7
/in [new player]
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
September 12 2016 09:48 GMT
#73
I'm fine with either 9 or 13 players.

I don't mind a coach but I can function fine without one
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
September 18 2016 18:27 GMT
#110
On September 19 2016 03:16 Lunaticman wrote:
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On September 19 2016 03:09 Xatalos wrote:
On September 19 2016 00:32 NeverUnlucky wrote:
/out



so unlucky


lol best pun eu, I like you.


His name is the most inaccurate thing I've ever seen. He's always unlucky in games :')
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
September 23 2016 22:01 GMT
#181
Checking in to check out.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
September 23 2016 22:06 GMT
#183
On September 24 2016 07:03 Xatalos wrote:
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On September 24 2016 07:01 Calix wrote:
Checking in to check out.


Back to the scum qt already?


Of course. Lynching the scum is so much easier when you sneak into their private chat, didn't you know?

It's just getting late here and I'm going to be busy for a lot of tomorrow with unpacking so I won't be super-active today.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
September 23 2016 22:07 GMT
#184
Also I really hope someone else is online because I hate trying to start the conversation on D1, lmao.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
September 23 2016 22:14 GMT
#187
On September 24 2016 07:11 Xatalos wrote:
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On September 24 2016 07:06 Calix wrote:
On September 24 2016 07:03 Xatalos wrote:
On September 24 2016 07:01 Calix wrote:
Checking in to check out.


Back to the scum qt already?


Of course. Lynching the scum is so much easier when you sneak into their private chat, didn't you know?

It's just getting late here and I'm going to be busy for a lot of tomorrow with unpacking so I won't be super-active today.


K. I'll be sleeping soon too. However, one thing - why did you decide to make a first post with only the content of claiming future inactivity?


Because it's true. I'm not going to be lurking, just explaining why my activity isn't going to be as good as it was in my first game.

It has nothing to do with my alignment since it's RL and I'd like to think that people aren't going to read into that. Lying about RL is unsportsmanlike.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
September 23 2016 22:16 GMT
#188
I'm not an expert on TL site meta so maybe you can fill me in since you're a vet and all that - what is the general site like?

I got the impression that people tend to be pretty laid-back/ lazy around here myself.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
September 23 2016 22:29 GMT
#191
I entered the thread by saying I was going to be heading off soon (to sleep) so that doesn't relate to your point about lurking. This entire point is dumb because it's not AI.

Anyhow, I'll just refresh the page for a bit or something.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
September 23 2016 22:42 GMT
#193
You said my first post was 'claiming future activity' which is where I assumed you thought I was justifying lurking from and I guess they're not exactly the same thing but whatever, this is not worth continuing even by "only two people in the thread" standards.

This conversation is only a rung up above spam.

Go to sleep, ya nub.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
September 23 2016 23:24 GMT
#204
It's pretty obvious how you deal with inactives.

Threaten to lynch the scummy low-post players so that they post more.

Threaten to vig the idiotic players so that they get smart.

Even if there's no vig, nobody knows that so it forces the scum to post constructively and often or get fucked.

Also means you don't stick yourself down in a policy lynch like an hour in, lol.

The end.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
September 23 2016 23:28 GMT
#207
On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote:
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On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:19 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/


To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him.

On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once.

I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early.

This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata.


You only got two responses before claiming it was a reaction-test?
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
September 23 2016 23:39 GMT
#212
I daresay that cutting short a potential avenue for conversation is counterproductive to your stated aim of getting reactions. Did you get anything from Jealous and I?

@Daneler, were you going anywhere with your entrance post? All you did was agree with Jealous and point out that Stutters' entrance is odd.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
September 23 2016 23:50 GMT
#215
On September 24 2016 08:47 DanelerH wrote:
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On September 24 2016 08:39 Calix wrote:
I daresay that cutting short a potential avenue for conversation is counterproductive to your stated aim of getting reactions. Did you get anything from Jealous and I?

@Daneler, were you going anywhere with your entrance post? All you did was agree with Jealous and point out that Stutters' entrance is odd.


I use "odd" and "strange" for I find something that might warrant suspicion, so that's what I was going with. Admittedly, not a strong lead, but I was hoping it would go somewhere.


The best person to make things 'go somewhere' is yourself, dear. Expecting others to do the work is never going to work out and only demonstrates a lack of initiative.

Since you proposed this line of thought, why do you think scum would open a post by claiming "non-scum" over say, "town" or not claiming at all or what have you?
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
September 24 2016 00:02 GMT
#218
On September 24 2016 08:56 DanelerH wrote:
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On September 24 2016 08:50 Calix wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:47 DanelerH wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:39 Calix wrote:
I daresay that cutting short a potential avenue for conversation is counterproductive to your stated aim of getting reactions. Did you get anything from Jealous and I?

@Daneler, were you going anywhere with your entrance post? All you did was agree with Jealous and point out that Stutters' entrance is odd.


I use "odd" and "strange" for I find something that might warrant suspicion, so that's what I was going with. Admittedly, not a strong lead, but I was hoping it would go somewhere.


The best person to make things 'go somewhere' is yourself, dear. Expecting others to do the work is never going to work out and only demonstrates a lack of initiative.

Since you proposed this line of thought, why do you think scum would open a post by claiming "non-scum" over say, "town" or not claiming at all or what have you?


I see no reason for Town to claim anything. They only care about getting the Mafia lynched. Mafia, however, wants Town to think they're also Town. By saying "I'm not Mafia" or "I'm Town", they can attempt to establish it early on, which is why I find it to be something that warrants suspicion.


That's something you're characterising as not-town to do, not mafia.

Question. Does your logic also apply to claiming a TPR? (so if a person claimed TPR, would you suspect them because you see no reason for town to claim and if not, why? Just curious because it sounds like that is what you are implying here)

Otherwise I like how this answer was set out. Simple and direct.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
September 24 2016 08:32 GMT
#244
Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in.

I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff.

On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
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On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/

Interesting idea. What does this achieve?
Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^

Also hi there.
I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you.
I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night.


Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis.

I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely.

As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself)

Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense.

Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange:

On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote:
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On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:19 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/


To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him.

On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once.

I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early.

This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata.


Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention.

Stutters:
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Calix:
You only got two responses before claiming it was a reaction-test?

My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play.


Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation.

It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here.

On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
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On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.

Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.



Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.

Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.

I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.

This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!

This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.


What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread?

Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people?

Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here?

If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone?
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
September 25 2016 07:49 GMT
#383
Alright, I'm all unpacked

Can't quote anything right now so I'll use post numbers if I want to make a point.

ptmc, I'm not sure if you're still scum-reading SoulQueen but RVS is NAI, although it's not something that people on this site engage in. It's something that some other mafia sites do to start the game off. My site often does this to 'generate discussion' - it's not effective but people do it anyway.

So if that's the only reason you're scum-reading SoulQueen then you should really reconsider, lol. The only questionable thing is them voting for Stutters when he was being suspected a bit and that means nothing until we know what Stutters is.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
September 25 2016 07:51 GMT
#384
Re: Rels on Jealous' comment about 'not taking stances' - this is not something that I think is AI for him either because he made a similar comment in another game and he was town so if you took that out then would people still agree with Jealous being scummy? Aside from him pushing Stutters for similar reasoning to me early in the game, I haven't seen anything AI from him.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
September 25 2016 08:04 GMT
#385
Lunatic's reactive lashing out at Rels is weird as fuck given the non-existent pressure he was under at that point. All Rels did was ask for an explanation for a read Lunatic freely gave and his response is to say "town wouldn't ask for a read I don't want to give"

???

#278 is a generic defense with the "makes sense from scum perspective but also from town" from DanelerH. His case on Lunatic is also pretty bad. (he made one town-read and refuses to explain it - this is more indicative of stubbornness/ stupidity because all you get out of doing that is drawing a stupid amount of attention to yourself)

Daneler made that post after Rels questioned Lunatic. I'm noticing a pattern of Daneler accusing people after someone else has (first with Stutters and then with Lunatic) so I suspect a bandwagoner on the loose here given he's done it twice now. Overall, I am still undecided on Daneler. Not because he has done nothing AI whatsoever but every time I think he's town, he does something sketchy and vice versa so I don't even fucking know what to make of him.

Right now, Lunatic's more anti-town than pro-scum imo because I don't see scum motivation for saying "this suspected person is my top town-read but you can go fuck yourself if you ask why". It doesn't give a good defense of Stutters. (scum/ scum) It's a pitiful attempt at white-knighting if I've ever seen one. (scum/ town) There was no reason for him to even make that comment in the first place so the "he's making up an excuse" explanation doesn't mesh well with me.

If these two are still the main suspects then I'm skeptical of the odds of lynching correctly today.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
September 25 2016 08:20 GMT
#389
Actually Lunatic looks like a better lynch with how he's reacting to the pitiful amount of pressure he's getting and aside from "over-reacts to pressure and is making bad posts out of frustration" I'm confused as to why he's acting like this in the first place. I haven't seen anything explicitly townie from him either.

Anyway, he says he's one of the more productive players - if that's productive then this game is a spam-fest. He also claims he's building a town circle which I have yet to see on both points. (his weird-ass town-read on Stutters doesn't count) I recall him saying he was going to investigate the first few posters or something - has he followed up on that?

With regards to TPR-hunting, again, that's anti-town because scum would just post their TPR-reads into their private chat. It's also insanely retarded to do as town and if Lunatic thought that Stutters was blue then he should have just defended Stutters using his posts to avoid this. I have no idea what he was trying to achieve there but I guarantee that the execution was terrible.

This read is shit because a lot of his actions require a crapload of WIFOM to decipher. His mindset doesn't make any bloody sense to me and I don't see a coherent explanation for his actions for town or scum, so I'd like to clear that up.

This reasoning is similar with Daneler to an extent as I am finding him difficult to place. However he is less disruptive to the chat compared to Lunatic.
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