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The House of Brown presents: The Curious Case of BTDT?
So, i'll try to keep this succinct.
Here are the original points I will summarize but don't need to show
1. btdt was super inactive all D1
2. mysteriously comes back when he is going to be the lynch, and only then, and gets the lynch off him WHILE successfully mislynching Koshi.
Koshi
On December 29 2016 08:21 beentheredonethat wrote:
Oh c'mon. Yes, I confirmed 2 days ago. Then, I had christmas dinner with gf's family, spent a nice time with her, she went home to my place with me and we continued having a nice time. Nail me on that if you feel like it and don't believe that I genuinely forgot about this game, okay. But lynching into me is the easiest thing to do for scum at this point.
Check my last town game and check my activity level there. I can and will contribute for town in the exact same way if you give me the chance to do so.
There's no way I will catch up in the like what 30 minutes or so we have until deadline. Tictock, the whole reason behind you voting me is that my vote was randomly cast on you.I checked if there was a main wagon, there wasn't, so I voted randomly.
More important even: as there seemingly aren't any clear wagons and town feels confident in lynching into afk/lurky players, I fear that mafia is currently in the driving seat of this game. Which leads my gut to Koshi who went under the radar pretty much ALWAYS when town was on the wrong track. I correctly read him as scum once already so I guess it's worth something. Koshi has 1 filter, compared to his last town game of D1 that's horrendous. Also note Time Traveler's vote on me and keep a close look on ANYONE that voted me early as I am right now a very low hanging fruit for mafia and lazy town alike.
He firstly explains that there is no possible way he could accurately catch up. Within the same post, he advocates for Koshi's lynch strongly, appealing to the authority of his previous reads on Koshi--
Would anyone characterize Koshi's D1 play as being in the driving seat of the game? He intentionally made himself NOT in the driving seat, and it got him lynched. The first and second sentence contradict each other; Koshi did not go under the radar D1, he was talked about by ExO, me, Grack, Superbia, etc.
On December 29 2016 08:38 beentheredonethat wrote:
1-page-Koshi feels bad and I think he's a very good lynch.
On December 29 2016 08:39 beentheredonethat wrote:
##vote Koshi
On December 29 2016 08:45 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2016 08:42 disformation wrote:
man. do I really want to lynch Koshi D1? Yes. I'm confident he'll flip scum.
Really? You're confident? Within twenty minutes, BTDT went from randomly diving filters AND it being impossible for him to catch up, into confidently lynching Koshi-- not just any random player.
On December 29 2016 08:54 beentheredonethat wrote:
Don't lynch LS over Koshi, really.
That's nuts.
Also whatever disfo's doing there it's plain bullshit
##vote Koshi
"Don't lynch LS over Koshi-- that's nuts." Again he reroutes the lynch train onto Koshi, effectively stopping what Grack and I were trying to do (lynch LS > Koshi).
On December 29 2016 09:14 beentheredonethat wrote:
okay everyone who was eager to vote me and then voted koshi instead of not-voting slam needs to explain why
also grack you're fine with a koshi train and not even trying to make the LS train happen although you'd rather have lynched him? great job
disformation lynching koshi although being wishywashy as fuck and even being a crybaby that votes himself
wow
Then this??? Like seriously???? + Show Spoiler + Btdt spent an entire hour pre-deadline rerouting the lynch off of him and onto Koshi. This is a really scummy reaction to an already scummy EoD
On January 04 2017 22:56 beentheredonethat wrote:
Like, all you state in that list is either not really alignment indicative or simply false. Observations are fine but I am missing conclusions here. Superbia died because of a half-assed claim that could very well be a protective role, even vet. In retrospective the claim was absolutely dumb. I didnt believe it tbh (oh i cared actually) but as confirmed town was killed and confirmed town scumread df early on, im perfectly fine with a df lynch.
Yes, I was wrong on Koshi. So what, last game ai was fully right. Happens.
It's one thing to be wrong about someone. Yea, that happens. It's another thing to wholeheartedly advocate for someone's death after not reading the entire game WHILE using your previous reads on him to bolster your argument
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On January 04 2017 17:07 Alakaslam wrote:It is beautiful Hey I'm fookin retired I do what I want
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Oops! Sorry :D
Oh well. I'm back and ready for business.
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Hm. That reminds me.
Did btdt ever explain why he didnt want LS lynched so strongly D1? I think I asked him twice.
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Oh, and I'm ignoring BtDt. His continous posts saying shit about me have gone too far. Bye bye, cutie!
Yeah... I'll answer the reads question dis asked me for.
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There's really nothing I feel like talking about except I am VT
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Otherwise I think that he also can be town that comes in after being afk and doesnt want to get misslynched.
and the line:
"okay everyone who was eager to vote me and then voted koshi instead of not-voting slam needs to explain why"
makes sense after a ML. as in: "I guess one of the guess who switched for really no reason, is prolly scum".
The confidence thing is really strange though. And I already pointed that out somehwere. xD
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On January 04 2017 23:38 ExO_ wrote:
There's really nothing I feel like talking about except I am VT
What's this sudden change from D1 effusiveness to D2 "hey I'm VT" continous posts?
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On January 04 2017 23:38 ExO_ wrote:
There's really nothing I feel like talking about except I am VT
Come on. Now you are just doing this to annoy me. -.-
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Have I already said how much I hate TL's non-existent avatars? It is almost impossible for me to difference players and I just think that all posts have been written by 1 person.
UUUUUUUUUH
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Also, can anyone tell me what does "being shadowed" mean?
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Well. about 20% of the posts in this game are by me. So getting there I guess.
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On January 04 2017 23:44 Time Traveler wrote:Also, can anyone tell me what does "being shadowed" mean?
Ah, there is someone watching Chez play and asking him questions why/how he plays like this.
Not relevant to this game and the shadow is not allowed to interject his own opinion into Chez.
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more like: not relevant because the shadow is not allowed to influence the actual player.
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The House of Brown presents: The Curious Case of BTDT?
disformation
Btdt's read progression of disformation is complete cock-adoodle
On December 29 2016 08:24 beentheredonethat wrote:
I'm right now randomly diving filters. Disformation's filter looks genuinely town but he's being wishy washy. On the other hand, that's disformation pretty much for me so that's not necessarily alignment indicative.
Thing about disfo is that from what I can see, he only comments on stuff. "I like that", "I don't like that" and so on and he's not taking any actions on his own, being lazy. Seems to be willing to go after Grackaroni but rather discusses about me? Hmm
So the first sentence calls disformation town, but wishy washy, but it's all NAI. So basically no conclusion.
The second bolded sentence implies that disformation is scummy. So he's town but NAI but scummy. Uhh okay mate. This is all within a single post btw.
On December 29 2016 09:17 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2016 09:17 disformation wrote:
also: town is pretty much fucked. =D Second time you're adding a positive smiley face to a bad thing.
This also implies scummy tendencies. Disformation has continued to do this btw, but btdt hasn't commented on it since. Not a huge point, but this seems like needless shade throwing, especially because he hasn't kept on this line of thought.
On December 29 2016 09:26 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2016 09:22 darthfoley wrote:On December 29 2016 09:20 beentheredonethat wrote:On December 29 2016 09:18 darthfoley wrote:On December 29 2016 09:14 beentheredonethat wrote:
okay everyone who was eager to vote me and then voted koshi instead of not-voting slam needs to explain why
also grack you're fine with a koshi train and not even trying to make the LS train happen although you'd rather have lynched him? great job
disformation lynching koshi although being wishywashy as fuck and even being a crybaby that votes himself
wow You did a great job of subverting your lynch lol Point taken. Can you now not disregard my valid points? Thank you. I have regarded them. I actually agree with both your points of grack and disformation. Disformation was especially WTF for me. Who are you singling out with your first post? TimeTraveler? Voting me: Time Traveler, Tictock, disformation, ExO_ disfo's flailing would cover up his shit wagon jump on me as well as his shit wagon jump on koshi. Time Traveler seemed to be confident in voting me, then Koshi, and all he had to say was "I dunno who to vote for" and he ended up on, lol, Superbia. He even disappeared from thread which is also bothering me. So I'd say disformation > Time Traveler, then I need to read ExO and see why apparently everyone is townreading him. Tictock tbh no idea, I liked his reaction to my initial random vote though.
After I asked him who he's singling out in his original post, he says the disformation's EoD is more scummy that TimeTraveler's. Keep that in mind.
On December 29 2016 09:26 beentheredonethat wrote:
tl;dr I need to read D1 as I ignored roughly 40 pages or something when I started playing.
Oh look! another post reminding us about how he didn't actually read the game.
On December 29 2016 09:35 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2016 09:32 disformation wrote:On December 29 2016 09:16 beentheredonethat wrote:
disformation would you mind to replace out or get modkilled so we don't have to deal with useless shit like your last 40 minutes? Unfortunately Shape will not replace me out of the game for that reason. My trouble with you is that yes, you can do wrong things. It's perfectly fine to fuck up, town does this on a daily basis. but I absolutely hate the way you're playing right now as it is very undecided and soft. I'd love if you'd have a strong opinion on something, if you'd stop flailing and instead decisively push someone or something. You're always like "oh that could be a thing but maybe it's not" which tbh contributes nothing to the game. It only creates confusion and actually helps scum a lot. I don't even think you're scum in that situation but I think your play really helps scum in an abysmal D1. If you don't step up I'm perfectly fine in lynching you D2.
So here he says he doesn't like the way disformation is playing, and says that he's perfectly fine lynching him D2 if he doesn't step up his game. Notice how btdt is now hesistant to call him scum? Now it's "your play is helping scum" which actually kind of implies he's town? Idk. Although btdt will probably argue that disformation has stepped up his play since EoD-- and he's right to a certain extent in terms of WoT content-- disformation is still playing a wishy washy game IMO. Lots of his WoT posts have unsure conclusions. Seeing how unsureness is the main reason btdt is criticizing disformation, it should continue.
On December 29 2016 20:29 beentheredonethat wrote:
Also, Alakaslam disappeared, even got warned. The whole "lynch the inactive" story line that some people seem to rely on died with the Koshi flip, why is that? Note how there was no counter wagon. This thread is currently being driven by mafia. ExO is driving this thread, Tictock, even darthfoley is. So there's most likely one mafia in them. Chez doing the drive-by posting but Chezinu is pretty much unreadable to me tbh.
disformation then again claims to have a bad scum game (correct me if I'm wrong) and what he's doing right now is either a bad town game or a bad scum game so I'm perfectly fine in lynching him. Grackaroni's EoD was a joke.
Reiterates the point for good measure
On December 29 2016 23:02 beentheredonethat wrote:
wtf disformation
you clearly scumread me, having found a "sick tmi". so first of all - your level of spotted tmi is the same as my level of spotted tmi about tictock. and you're capable of knowing that so you should be very clear about what you are trying to achieve with that. You scumreading me feels a lot like "im pissed towards btdt so I scumread him" which is simpy a bad way of doing things. Instead, calm down a bit and start looking for actual reasons why I could be scum, or, even better, why I could be town, because I am town. Suprise, surprise. You're one of the most active players in D1 and yet town has a boiling mislynch in the end without any counter wagons. That doesn't change the fact that Koshi was a very good lynch IMHO. Given Koshi's level of mafia play and the lack of play he showed for D1.
Good thing I have been granted a power role and will be able to use my ability.
This is mostly about disformation, but I bolded the part about the Koshi lynch because he's back to claiming it was a very good lynch, after telling everyone they need to "explain why they voted Koshi over Slam/AFK!!!" That's odd, and scummy. Also claims a power role in this post fwiw
On January 04 2017 21:55 beentheredonethat wrote:
Of course I am absolutely fine with lynching slam, chez, too. Also time traveler.
Now disformation is completely off the table with no explanation as to why. Could it be because disformation is starting to townread the man? He does a complete 180 and goes from "perfectly fine lynching D2 disformation" to not even on his potential "i'm okay with..." list. I find this most striking because I think disformation is generally playing the same type of game, being unsure etc. Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but I don't understand the progression.
The grand finale incoming
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Just woke up and saw people voting df with one of them being a pressure vote. Like I said I can cosoloidate onto df if Grack's lynch isn't happening.
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One unrelated point:
What if the mecha cow created a LS + GB hydra and that's why he's been afk? Isn't a hydra when two players become one or something? Just food for thought.
@disformation, that is a very good question
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No GB isn't a hydra with me otherwise the host would of told me already.
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ah I can add something to the point that btdt apparently doesnt think i am an option today.
the second message I got was btdt basically telling me he is sorry for N1 and is now cool with me. also heavily implying a TR on me.
No idea why he didn't post that in thread and it might be a buddying attempt, but it sounded rather genuine to me.
And while we are at it: LS sent me a message asking for assistance in lynching his scumreads, as he thinks they wont get lynched without my help.
Again: might be a buddying attempt, but I think it sounded genuine and is more likely to come from town.
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On January 04 2017 23:53 darthfoley wrote:
One unrelated point:
What if the mecha cow created a LS + GB hydra and that's why he's been afk? Isn't a hydra when two players become one or something? Just food for thought.
@disformation, that is a very good question
Cute idea, but I think GB and LS would have gotten a new account for that. Can't really force players to share an account like that.
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The House of Brown presents: The Curious Case of BTDT?
His case on darthfoley
On January 04 2017 20:47 beentheredonethat wrote:
Exo/darthfoley/tictock. There's most likely one scum between them but its hard to express why.
Let me try. D1 was driven by scum or by wrong-guessing town. No counter wagon to Koshi. Given that Koshi is a heavy weight player on both alignments, I assume that scum just laid back and was fairly okay with that lynch. Question is if scum pushed the Koshi lynch (which would point towards exo) or if the lynch just happened with scum maybe being the hammering votes (pointing towards tictock/df?)
Could this be TMI by any chance? It seems awfully confident. His characterization of my Koshi vote is also wrong. I was the third vote out of seven. Hardly the "hammering" vote. Btdt also conveniently forgets this post in which I thought he actually made a few decent points against TT.
+ Show Spoiler +On December 29 2016 20:23 beentheredonethat wrote:
Tictock:
1. Blames btdt for being inactive all day
2. Does not want to lynch btdt because "I only wanted to test reactions and see who jumps on that lynch"
3. Votes outside of Koshi, thus making his vote irrelevant
4. Wants to lynch btdt again
What I don't get is 2 vs. 4.
I can fully understand #2, and I can fully understand #4. I'd probably also lynch myself in the current situation.
But how can this go together? #2 implies that Tictock thinks I am town. Then, Koshi gets lynched without any counter wagon to it, and suddenly, Tictock thinks I am scum. This is really weird.
Also, Tictock pretty much ignores the disformation happenings (like, voting himself, voting Koshi over Grack, and so on).
If disformation flips scum anytime soon, Tictock will do so very likely, too, given that he went after me over disfo.
To be honest, Tictock's explanation on why he voted me could also be a subtle TMI of "I know he's town, so I pretend to fish for information, I'm not really voting him because I know he is not scum".
On January 04 2017 21:41 beentheredonethat wrote:
We aren't that super lost. We have a slow D2. That's a difference. ExOs D1 was very towny. Darthfoley feels townie, too, I liked what he posted directly after EoD1.
Leaves Tictock. I think there were some inconsistencies in Tictock voting Koshi over LS (?) but I am on mobile and cannot double check right now. Still, I think TT has a decent chance of being scum. Also, he scumread me basically for being around and voting him. :/
Okay, good. Now i'm townie! Woohoo. Notice how TT is given the most attention aka he's the most scummy of the ExO/darthfoley/TT trio, according to btdt
On January 04 2017 21:47 beentheredonethat wrote:
Was superbia onto something with the darth votes? Like, superbia wasnt killed for activity reasons. So he died because?
Parroting disformation's point.
On January 04 2017 21:52 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2016 03:55 Superbia wrote:On December 28 2016 03:53 darthfoley wrote:On December 28 2016 03:45 Superbia wrote:
Koshi what happened to your low activity playstyle promise? He has like two posts this game lol. This is still much lower activity than usual for Koshi. ??? Pls defend more people. Skimming superbia filter, could this be darth TMI defending koshi and superbia spotting this? Like, superbia pressurung darth, gets killed?
The cherrypicking is real. I wasn't the only person to defend Koshi; how does this imply TMI at all? I'm making a player specific read based on activity. Anyone want to debate me and say that Koshi having 2-4 posts 8 hours into a game is not low activity for him?
On January 04 2017 21:55 beentheredonethat wrote:
Of course I am absolutely fine with lynching slam, chez, too. Also time traveler.
Ticktock is now out of this list. Why? Who the fuck knows.
On January 04 2017 22:07 beentheredonethat wrote:
Let's put more votes on darthfoley. I am fairly confident that Superbia found something and had to die.
On December 29 2016 08:45 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2016 08:42 disformation wrote:
man. do I really want to lynch Koshi D1? Yes. I'm confident he'll flip scum.
Déjà-vu.
On January 04 2017 22:56 beentheredonethat wrote:
Like, all you state in that list is either not really alignment indicative or simply false. Observations are fine but I am missing conclusions here. Superbia died because of a half-assed claim that could very well be a protective role, even vet. In retrospective the claim was absolutely dumb. I didnt believe it tbh (oh i cared actually) but as confirmed town was killed and confirmed town scumread df early on, im perfectly fine with a df lynch.
Yes, I was wrong on Koshi. So what, last game ai was fully right. Happens.
Lastly, he claims i'm lying and then doesn't explain where/about who/how. SIMPLY FALSE!
So he's apparently a town who was wrong in this game previously (on Koshi), and that should excuse him, but Superbia who was town couldn't be possibly wrong, so he'll just follow Superbia's line of thought over HIS casing/concerns about certain people, specifically Ticktock.
He claims i'm 70-80% sure i'm scum, but I've yet to see any reasoning beyond circumstantial evidence on someone who claimed a fucking blue role. He even said my play feels townie.
Add this onto my other shit and I think btdt's filter kinda falls apart. Like he has a few good posts but doesn't push them and/or completely forgets about them.
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