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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
October 09 2016 17:17 GMT
#2601
On October 10 2016 02:15 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 02:14 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 10 2016 02:13 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 10 2016 02:11 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 10 2016 02:09 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 10 2016 02:07 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 10 2016 02:01 Grackaroni wrote:
I pretty much have to conclude that JAT is mafia at this point.

Why? Why do you "have to conclude that"?

Because now you're pushing Oatsmaster as well as Palmar and I'm pretty sure they are both town.

Did you read the bullshit oats posted today? Palmar is doing exactly what koshi said - staying above being lynched and not doing anything else.
Why do you think they are town? If I am mafia for supposedly misreading them you can surely explain to us lowely people why this should be so obvious,

A lot of people are doing that. Scott is doing that. Marv is doing that. Fucking Koshi is doing that, right now. Palmar looks a lot better than all of them from some of the things he has said.

But unlike palmar those people weren't the counterwagon to 2 (!) fucking mislynches.

Why does that matter?

It matters because palmar had more reason to do shit.

He is complaining now but did he do anything about either lynch? No. And he WAS around. He said the superbia lynch is alright and now everyone suddenly is a retard.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
October 09 2016 17:19 GMT
#2603
On October 10 2016 02:16 Grackaroni wrote:
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On October 10 2016 02:15 justanothertownie wrote:
And I can lynch scott easily for what calix brought up earlier combined with his extremely shallow reads.

Sounds good to me. But you've been pushing Oatsmaster recently for making verbal salad when Oatsmaster is known for doing this.

It wasn't verbal salad. It was straight up making up shit. Read it again if you didn't understood it. He couldn't even name the smallest reason for me to be mafia. It was pathetic.
If you call me mafia for scumreading him then explain to me how he can be town.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
October 09 2016 17:21 GMT
#2606
On October 10 2016 02:18 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 02:17 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 10 2016 02:15 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 10 2016 02:14 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 10 2016 02:13 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 10 2016 02:11 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 10 2016 02:09 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 10 2016 02:07 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 10 2016 02:01 Grackaroni wrote:
I pretty much have to conclude that JAT is mafia at this point.

Why? Why do you "have to conclude that"?

Because now you're pushing Oatsmaster as well as Palmar and I'm pretty sure they are both town.

Did you read the bullshit oats posted today? Palmar is doing exactly what koshi said - staying above being lynched and not doing anything else.
Why do you think they are town? If I am mafia for supposedly misreading them you can surely explain to us lowely people why this should be so obvious,

A lot of people are doing that. Scott is doing that. Marv is doing that. Fucking Koshi is doing that, right now. Palmar looks a lot better than all of them from some of the things he has said.

But unlike palmar those people weren't the counterwagon to 2 (!) fucking mislynches.

Why does that matter?

It matters because palmar had more reason to do shit.

He is complaining now but did he do anything about either lynch? No. And he WAS around. He said the superbia lynch is alright and now everyone suddenly is a retard.

And he could have just not shown up at all rather than show up at the last minute to dispute the lynch and he would have attracted far less attention.

Sure, but he still was the counterwagon so not showing up would be pretty dangerous, don't you agree? If he appears at the last minute as mafia people will not believe him.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
October 09 2016 17:23 GMT
#2607
On October 10 2016 02:20 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 02:19 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 10 2016 02:16 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 10 2016 02:15 justanothertownie wrote:
And I can lynch scott easily for what calix brought up earlier combined with his extremely shallow reads.

Sounds good to me. But you've been pushing Oatsmaster recently for making verbal salad when Oatsmaster is known for doing this.

It wasn't verbal salad. It was straight up making up shit. Read it again if you didn't understood it. He couldn't even name the smallest reason for me to be mafia. It was pathetic.
If you call me mafia for scumreading him then explain to me how he can be town.

He's saying that you are mafia because he thinks that there needs to be an active mafia player pushing people away from Scott/Damdred. It's not likely to be Calix, so that pretty much leaves you.

That is not a reason. And he couldn't explain why that should be the case either.

He explicitly said there was some "sick read" and "the stuff other people said about me". But he couldn't even come up with anything.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
October 09 2016 17:24 GMT
#2608
Like, I am perfectly ok with palmar and marv fighting it out and lynching the loser but I won't let you tell me that I am mafia for not townreading palmar or mafiareading oatsmaster.
That is pure bullshit.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
October 09 2016 17:26 GMT
#2610
On October 10 2016 02:26 Grackaroni wrote:
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On October 10 2016 02:21 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 10 2016 02:18 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 10 2016 02:17 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 10 2016 02:15 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 10 2016 02:14 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 10 2016 02:13 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 10 2016 02:11 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 10 2016 02:09 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 10 2016 02:07 justanothertownie wrote:
[quote]
Why? Why do you "have to conclude that"?

Because now you're pushing Oatsmaster as well as Palmar and I'm pretty sure they are both town.

Did you read the bullshit oats posted today? Palmar is doing exactly what koshi said - staying above being lynched and not doing anything else.
Why do you think they are town? If I am mafia for supposedly misreading them you can surely explain to us lowely people why this should be so obvious,

A lot of people are doing that. Scott is doing that. Marv is doing that. Fucking Koshi is doing that, right now. Palmar looks a lot better than all of them from some of the things he has said.

But unlike palmar those people weren't the counterwagon to 2 (!) fucking mislynches.

Why does that matter?

It matters because palmar had more reason to do shit.

He is complaining now but did he do anything about either lynch? No. And he WAS around. He said the superbia lynch is alright and now everyone suddenly is a retard.

And he could have just not shown up at all rather than show up at the last minute to dispute the lynch and he would have attracted far less attention.

Sure, but he still was the counterwagon so not showing up would be pretty dangerous, don't you agree? If he appears at the last minute as mafia people will not believe him.

I didn't really consider Palmar the counterwagon, but sure, let's go there. Mafia! Palmar sees the lynch train headed to town! Superbia guided by JAT and Calix. "Oh my god, I'm so nervous about being lynched!" Proclaims mafia! Palmar. He decides to show up before the lynch to proclaim, "Superbia is town! Let's lynch somebody else!" After he said that he disappeared because now he was clearly safe from the lynch.

Do you really believe this shit? Showing up and telling people not to lynch somebody is dangerous for him. This is the second time he has endangered himself by doing this.

That's actually not the worst point.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
October 09 2016 17:27 GMT
#2611
I mean it was pretty obvious that superbia was going to be lynched when he returned but why bother.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
October 09 2016 17:29 GMT
#2613
But anyways - even if I am wrong on Palmar/marv which I am sure we will find out day3 I have no idea why that would make me mafia considering their play this game.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
October 09 2016 17:31 GMT
#2614
On October 10 2016 02:29 Grackaroni wrote:
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On October 10 2016 02:24 justanothertownie wrote:
Like, I am perfectly ok with palmar and marv fighting it out and lynching the loser but I won't let you tell me that I am mafia for not townreading palmar or mafiareading oatsmaster.
That is pure bullshit.

I'm probably going to write a case on Koshi later for calling me mafia and then backing off really badly.

I'm suspicious of you because you are reading the game completely opposite of me and you are the one who is putting in the effort to make sure that my townreads/myself get killed.

I actually liked that you followed through with your meta read on Superbia earlier, but the disparity in our reads is going to have to change at some point if my read is going to change.

Or maybe you are just wrong and I am right? Yes, I was wrong on superbia. Shit happens. But you can't tell me I didn't have really good reasons to suspect him or that he was obvious town.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
October 09 2016 17:33 GMT
#2616
On October 10 2016 02:32 Grackaroni wrote:
Also NU was accusing me of buddying Marv for your dick joke earlier. This is why we don't make jokes JAT!

I'm really glad I'm not Calix because having an argument with NU every 15 pages must be pretty miserable.

Good thing you never make any jokes, so you are safe.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
October 09 2016 17:39 GMT
#2618
Nothing wrong with being a sheep. But don't accuse the shepherd who actually put in the work to get a decent lynch.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
October 09 2016 17:49 GMT
#2620
On October 10 2016 02:46 Grackaroni wrote:
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On October 09 2016 19:24 justanothertownie wrote:
Oats is probably mafia.

Can anyone tell me how the green and the red can go together in the mindset of a townie?
On October 09 2016 16:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
[green]Er ok I didn't expect that lynch or that outcome. I wouldn't have been surprised if he flipped scum tbh.[/green} I haven't had the time to read what happened recently but the votes seem quite obvious, Palmar and Marv not really interested in the game, grack not able to convince anyone, super pissed off calix and nu. Scott sheeping something.

On October 09 2016 16:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok Palmar has been shockingly right about the town flips and me and shockingly putting everyone else in his scumbasket. Pretty shit if you ask me.

Scum-team is Palmar Scott jat.

Listen to me about jat. It's highly unlikely that without significant scum intervention, we managed to avoid lynching damdred and Scott by now, and jat was the main mover of the last lynch. Scott came in with the ninja vote and Palmar really didnt give a shit about moving the vote onto his target.

If you thought he could have easily flipped mafia then how on earth is it scummy for me to push his lynch? Or why would the lynch not happen without scum intervention? It doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. If you don't even think damdred is mafia then why would scum need to intervene to get the lynch off of him and onto someone else?
These 2 posts alone are full with contradictions.

The Palmar point is alright though. He had no business being right on superbia there after calling himself an acceptable lynch just before. And he also never moved his vote away from me or tried to convince anyone to lynch who he wants to be lynched.
You cannot complain afterwards if you didn't do anything about the lynch while you were clearly around at times.

This is the point that Oats is making in his post:

He feels that without scum intervention Damdred or Scott would have been the lynch, and you were the only one (besides Koshi actually, Oats missed that) who bothered to put in the groundwork for a lynch that wasn't Damdred/Scott.

And that does make sense to you? Oats lists scott, me, palmar as mafiateam. Why would I care if damdred get lynched in that case? Why would I lynch between damdred or scott as town?

He couldn't answer any of that. He also couldn't answer why I was mafia in general. Reread the conversation. It is hilarious.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
October 09 2016 17:51 GMT
#2622
On October 10 2016 02:49 Grackaroni wrote:
I get that you're annoyed that you get a lot of seemingly empty accusations, but I don't think you're the type of player who is going to make a lot of silly contradictions or just disappear as mafia. The best indication I have on you is whether I think you're pushing townies.

Plus you being mafia would make me an amazing seer.
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On October 09 2016 06:20 Grackaroni wrote:
On September 14 2016 05:56 beentheredonethat wrote:
Player list:
  • Koshi
  • Calix
  • marvellosity
  • Palmar
  • justanothertownie
  • Holyflare, The Jailkeeper, killed N1.
  • Damdred
  • Stutters695, replaced by scott31337
  • NeverUnlucky
  • Oatsmaster
  • Superbia, Vanilla town, lynched D2.
  • batsnacks, Vanilla town, lynched D1.
  • Grackaroni


Oh my god. They're killing all of our scrubs. Watch your back Oatsmaster! You may be next in the que.


So because I lead one mislynch I have to be mafia. Ok. Can't argue with that.

But seriously, oats is fucking mafia and you are just ignoring him because he is known to be a donkey. Guess what - donkeys can roll mafia too.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
October 09 2016 17:57 GMT
#2624
On October 10 2016 02:56 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2016 21:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 09 2016 20:54 Calix wrote:
Do you have any reason for wanting to lynch Scott first? lol

hes idependantly scummy, also what a retarded vote on damdred then the super sheep onto super.

Ok really going nowhere jat. Like you really think that I cant find shit in other peoples filters?
Honestly.

The worst thing I see from the Oats argument is that he's calling out Scott's votes while agreeing that Damdred and Super were scummy.

He should explain that.

Other than that, I don't mind the reasoning.

lol, what? You don't mind the reasoning?

There IS no fucking reasoning.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
October 09 2016 18:30 GMT
#2627
On October 10 2016 03:03 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 02:57 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 10 2016 02:56 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 09 2016 21:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 09 2016 20:54 Calix wrote:
Do you have any reason for wanting to lynch Scott first? lol

hes idependantly scummy, also what a retarded vote on damdred then the super sheep onto super.

Ok really going nowhere jat. Like you really think that I cant find shit in other peoples filters?
Honestly.

The worst thing I see from the Oats argument is that he's calling out Scott's votes while agreeing that Damdred and Super were scummy.

He should explain that.

Other than that, I don't mind the reasoning.

lol, what? You don't mind the reasoning?

There IS no fucking reasoning.

Because you were the only non-Koshi person that put effort into getting a lynch yesterday. If the mafia are truly just the people on the bottom and the team is like Scott/Damdred/Palmar then scum probably has an active player misdirecting people. None of them were safe from being consolidated on.

Again, I'm probably going to push Koshi tomorrow, or I'll push Marv if he doesn't show up tomorrow with some sort of insight into the game.

I realize that it sucks to be pushed for putting in some effort, but when we have a bunch of strong town reads and mafia are still avoiding the lynch that starts to look like a bad thing.

If the amount of strong townreads you have leads you to believe that I am mafia then you have bad townreads.

Also, let's assume you are right on palmar. In that case no mafia (except for possibly damdred but not really) was in any danger of being lynched all fucking game. So they would have every reason to be inactive/lazy.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
October 09 2016 18:30 GMT
#2628
On October 10 2016 03:23 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 01:55 Palmar wrote:
Like marv townread me, or at least pretended to turn it around, and just left his vote on me and did nothing the rest of the day

I physically can't lead this, I just happen to have very little time to play, I can be here occasionally and give opinions. I have 8 pages of filter, but I cannot spend the time to whip this bunch of morons into shape. And I have no idea why no one else is trying to do it.

It's frustrating as fuck.

Bye for now.

This is also something that happened.

Yes, this is a fair point.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
October 09 2016 18:31 GMT
#2629
But to be honest if I remember correctly marv just wasn't around at all since then.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
October 09 2016 19:30 GMT
#2648
Grack, do you realize that marv was mislynched by palmar (and myself to be honest) in his last game?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
October 09 2016 19:34 GMT
#2652
On October 10 2016 04:31 Grackaroni wrote:
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On October 10 2016 04:30 justanothertownie wrote:
Grack, do you realize that marv was mislynched by palmar (and myself to be honest) in his last game?

No. Which game was this?

The same game where the superbia stuff came from. Holyflare mafia.

If that didn't happen I would have probably lynched him already but it makes me very hesitant to call him mafia when his tone and content was alright while he was around.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
October 09 2016 19:42 GMT
#2660
On October 10 2016 04:39 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 04:34 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 10 2016 04:31 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 10 2016 04:30 justanothertownie wrote:
Grack, do you realize that marv was mislynched by palmar (and myself to be honest) in his last game?

No. Which game was this?

The same game where the superbia stuff came from. Holyflare mafia.

If that didn't happen I would have probably lynched him already but it makes me very hesitant to call him mafia when his tone and content was alright while he was around.

Has Marv ever been caught as mafia for having a strange tone? Content has also been completely absent this game.

Yes, I would actually say that tone is by far the most important thing when reading him. His content is always good as mafia. If you are right on Palmar then he might have given up as mafia but keep it in mind. I thought it was impossible for me to mislynch him.
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