EPTDid you see my question about town motivation? I might have been slightly intoxicated when I wrote it but I still want an answer.
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Calix
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Did you see my question about town motivation? I might have been slightly intoxicated when I wrote it but I still want an answer. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
On October 08 2016 21:29 Calix wrote: On Day 1, I town-read him. I didn't have one for most of Day 2 since he didn't do anything. Now I'm skeptical because of that horrendous vote. Would you kindly share your opinion on Oats? Personally, my town-read of him is fading out. He asks for others' opinions more than he gives his. He mischaracterizes stuff sometimes. Connects with 1 - no read progression/I don't know why he is voting X. Was pretty defensive over his vote D1 when no accusations against him were made. Much of an overreaction. (NAI) His fake-voting puzzles me. Really. | ||
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justanothertownie
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On October 08 2016 06:54 Calix wrote: kk jAT I just have one question and I don't want some ultra-detailed response, just curious. Like how would you sum up what you've done this game and how do you think you've helped the town? I suck at looking for town motives so let's just ask you. And I don't want "lol playing like my usual town self" as a response, fuck that. I want evidence from this game. I can't relate to that meta shit and can't get it so why would I sheep it? lol My priorities in a town game besides lynching mafia are the following: 1. Don't get mislynched/establish innocence. 2. Push the game in a good direction. This means don't allow people to not explain their shit, ideally have 2 wagons day1. Stuff like that. What I did this game has been strongly influenced by the fact that I was not around eod1. I tried my best to give town my stance on everyone in the game and to put my vote on someone who is scummy and also a viable wagon before I left. I did not need to do that at all. Then marv and Palmar started scumreading each other. Historically if this keeps being the case one of them has to be mafia. So solving this had absolute priority and that's why I pushed this on day2 so far. My next tasks will be to not let you guys mislynch me and making a case for the guy who I think is the best lynch. | ||
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justanothertownie
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On October 08 2016 21:30 Calix wrote: Okay but I've yet to see anything from you about how I'm scummy. You are pretty much the only person thinking this at this stage. Did you see my question about town motivation? I might have been slightly intoxicated when I wrote it but I still want an answer. I did just answer it. Not sure you are scum anymore. WIll have to read you filter later. I will be sitting in a train for the next ~3 hours but then I will be more or less around until deadline. | ||
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Calix
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On October 08 2016 21:36 NeverUnlucky wrote: Would you kindly share your opinion on Oats? Personally, my town-read of him is fading out. He asks for others' opinions more than he gives his. He mischaracterizes stuff sometimes. Connects with 1 - no read progression/I don't know why he is voting X. Was pretty defensive over his vote D1 when no accusations against him were made. Much of an overreaction. (NAI) His fake-voting puzzles me. Really. Funny, I was thinking the same thing re: town-reading him less because I don't remember anything that he's posted today. As for your points, I don't think asking for opinions a lot is a scum tell. I'll keep the others in mind when rereading. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
On October 08 2016 21:37 justanothertownie wrote: My priorities in a town game besides lynching mafia are the following: 1. Don't get mislynched/establish innocence. 2. Push the game in a good direction. This means don't allow people to not explain their shit, ideally have 2 wagons day1. Stuff like that. Ok, he's just bad. He can be town for now. | ||
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Calix
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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
On October 08 2016 21:29 Calix wrote: On Day 1, I town-read him. I didn't have one for most of Day 2 since he didn't do anything. Now I'm skeptical because of that horrendous vote. I mean, I don't see a single good vote in the train you are leading. Plam is sheeping you, Grack ???, Oats ???, and you are not confident in him being scum anymore. It seems like you just want him lynched to get things cleared though I don't know what exactly. Frankly, I don't know why you scum-read him now. And he makes a good point when he says that no cases were made on him D2 re: if there were cases on him, they are outdated and maybe connect with his interaction with BS who flipped town. So... why do you and the others on the train sr him? Who would your vote be going to otherwise? | ||
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Calix
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On October 08 2016 21:52 NeverUnlucky wrote: I mean, I don't see a single good vote in the train you are leading. Plam is sheeping you, Grack ???, Oats ???, and you are not confident in him being scum anymore. It seems like you just want him lynched to get things cleared though I don't know what exactly. Frankly, I don't know why you scum-read him now. And he makes a good point when he says that no cases were made on him D2 re: if there were cases on him, they are outdated and maybe connect with his interaction with BS who flipped town. So... why do you and the others on the train sr him? Who would your vote be going to otherwise? I am in the process of reconsidering. Still have a few hours before I leave. I've already said that the only thing from him which only makes sense from mafia > town is the weird town-read stuff (which has already been covered...as said) and that even though he's done other questionable things, I can see a town explanation for them so I didn't include them. I'd vote for Scott next and if Scott miraculously proves himself to be super-town then I'm stumped. | ||
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justanothertownie
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On October 08 2016 21:42 NeverUnlucky wrote: Ok, he's just bad. He can be town for now. If everyone on TL was as good at this as I am then town would never lose a game. Just sayin. | ||
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Calix
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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
On October 08 2016 21:56 justanothertownie wrote: If everyone on TL was as good at this as I am then town would never lose a game. Just sayin. Oh, I have no doubt about that with the way you push your scum-reads. Other people who've played with you in the past considered your play to be naturally underwhelming. Self-centered, egoistical players do not make town win. Sorry to say. Your ego: ![[image loading]](https://rn4students.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/bighead.gif) | ||
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Calix
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Calix
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I found this strange: On October 05 2016 12:44 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok thats true. But feels a bit easy if you know what I mean tl;dr: He criticises batsnacks for not coming to a conclusion about wherever Damdred is scum or not. He's told that batsnacks concluded Damdred was scummy earlier. He then admits this is true while still clinging onto his point which was just proven false by calling it "easy". On October 05 2016 21:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok now I'm gonna sheep Marv, so my vote is not useless Palmar.... Honestly though bats re-entry did not include a scum-read or Vote and it did include some stupid shit about "if I'm mafia and super is town, I have nothing to gain by hard defending super" except that 1, when super flips you get cred for being right, 2, your influence is so low that you aren't going to change anyone's minds. Vote threads suxk This is also weird for Oats to say because this is the dude that made a stink about not-voting to be NAI. Here is he referring to not-voting as if it is telling about batsnacks' alignment. On October 06 2016 22:46 Oatsmaster wrote: No, you pushed cases and kept the thread alive when it was dying. same as calix. did you even read my question or did you just see, "someone called me scum,must answer with some irrelevant nonsense". And this is odd because I swear he was scum-reading/ voting for HF earlier and I have no idea how his read changed from the end of D1 to this post. His reasoning for town-reading HF here is that he's keeping the thread alive/ pushing cases...but he was doing that since Day 1 so why is it only relevant now? There's no real reason for the scum-read to have changed to a town-read. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
On October 08 2016 22:10 Calix wrote: That's a lovely self-portrait, NU. Why, thank you.  Also, why did you do a "tl;dr" for a one-liner, lmao? | ||
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Calix
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Also try commenting on the rest of the post to see if my logic checks out. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
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NeverUnlucky
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He is still clearly scum-reading HF in this post you quoted ("Hf might be the mafia vig that would be interesting", mafia vig, wtf lol). There is no incongruity there. I don't get point 1. Point 2 is ok. | ||
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Calix
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On October 08 2016 22:25 NeverUnlucky wrote: "And this is odd because I swear he was scum-reading/ voting for HF earlier and I have no idea how his read changed from the end of D1 to this post." He is still clearly scum-reading HF in this post you quoted ("Hf might be the mafia vig that would be interesting", mafia vig, wtf lol). There is no incongruity there. I don't get point 1. Point 2 is ok. Point 3 was the most questionable one and since that has a reasonable explanation (aka my point was wrong), I'm fine with thinking that Oats is town because the other points aren't incriminating by themselves. This is actually motivating me to look at filters with a more critical eye though so. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On October 08 2016 05:14 Palmar wrote: it isn't dull, it's correct. You lack confidence, that points to you being mafia, but fuck it let's pretend you're not for a little bit for the sake of moving the game forward. By lack of confidence, I mean your ridiculous emphasis on getting me to answer some completely tangential questions you have no need for to determine my alignment. But if you must, the explanation is very simple. I wasn't very much around, I didn't think bats was scum and I'm not mafia. I tried to push for a Calix lynch, which I've now decided was retarded. At the deadline I was mad and only barely paying attention to the thread. I did explain my reasoning for voting HF, but in hindsight I was just being a moron and failed to catch what is a fairly obvious joke. I got mad and voted him. Essentially, I got trolled. Of course he started posting like a townie and making sense again, so I came around, also realizing that I was just being stupid. Someone said during that time that HF was scummy for pulling the "it was just a joke" defense, but whatever. This is all wifom. Being able to convince a couple people you are town isn't hard. It's called buddying which you did while jumping on the Grack train running at JAT. Which was extremely opportunistic and lucky because it excused you from going after marv which you were waffling towards back then. On October 08 2016 05:18 Palmar wrote: Like think of it from my point of view marv. Let's assume you're town. From your point of view, you're afraid that I'm fooling all the peasants, but you and jat remain steadfast. I get it, you don't want to be one of the morons I just fooled. But look at at it from my point of view. To me, I know I'm town, and I've just convinced a bunch of people I am town, to the point where some of them seem fairly convinced. Sure, some of them may be TMI, but all can't be. So do you not understand why it concerns me that the guy who is more often right on me than anyone else fails to do what people who know me far worse have done easily. I am being completely reasonable here. | ||
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