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I strongly believe we should lynch Palmar. His main and only objective is to sit right above not getting lynched. He hasn't given any believable reasoning for any scumread. Not once. look at it + Show Spoiler +On October 07 2016 18:46 Palmar wrote:
It jives rather well with what I've been thinking about this game.
Batsnacks sounded like a townie
Oats sounds like a townie
NU sounds like a special snowflake
Grack is not as funny as I would've thought he should be, but I do like him nonetheless, for now.
Superbia is being an ass, but he does that all the time as all alignments, don't think he's been overtly scummy. One of the big milestones today is going to be whether or not he realizes what is up. If he doesn't, he needs to be dropped very low on everyone's lists when I flip town. Superbia is smart, knows me well, and a good player in general. If he votes for me when I'm town, that's super concerning.
Damdred and Stutters are players I have completely ignored.
Marv is going to drop his vote on me. If he actually stays he's 100% mafia. He reads me better than any player in the history of TL mafia, he has basically a 100% rate on figuring my alignment by day 2 when he's town. If I ever flip town, and he is still calling me mafia, he is scum. there is NO WAY AROUND IT. Thing is, I also know that he knows exactly this. He CAN'T be wrong on me, so I know he's going to end up drop his vote on me today. Depending on whether I believe the reasoning there's a tiny chance I'm wrong. But the NK, his play, his lack of enthusiasm for some things and just some tonally weird things, all point to marv-mafia. Not to mention, both HF and I picked up a townie vibe from batsnacks, and marv completely failed to recognize it. He is better at town than both of us, and that is super concerning.
JAT/Koshi/Calix <--- Three strong players who have been atrociously wrong throughout the game. There is definitely town in this group, probably even two. Whichever ones of you are town need to pull head out of asses and start playing reasonably. It is very likely that one of the townies is Koshi, because him tunneling stupid things is kind of what he does as town, the other two are slightly better so who knows.
Regarding Calix specifically, my day 1 read of her is mostly tonal. She felt very analytical and willing to try to solve the game when she was town in the last game I was with her. This contrasts her more timid and reserved tone here. I am also slightly suspicious of how she could read me so well on day 1 (against all odds she was calling me town) and then dropped it with some complete bullshit reasoning on n1, that is worrying.
Not a single actual reason to scumread anybody. Something intelligent.
Last 3 pages are filled with wifom and little jabs at people. I don't know why he does that as mafia. But it is 100% NAI. Like... Why do you townread him for that?
His last scumlist was marv/damdred/JAT. But marv is the person he wants to convince the most he is town. Damdred he fully ignores. JAT scumread earned him 2-3 townreads.
Where are the authentic reads? There is nothing. He is just playing right above not getting lynched.
And we should lynch him.
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superbia is mafia as well.
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I am limited to phoneposting from now on for 28ish hours. Will be reading thread on phone. afk for 2 hours.
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Koshi/ Palmar makes me relate to clothes in a tumble-dryer.
Koshi makes a valid point.
Palmar makes a nice defense.
Koshi makes more valid points out of said defense.
And so forth.
Koshi is probably tunneling here but his reasons don't feel forced and I can see how he concluded the things he has so I should hear him out. Time to reread their interactions.
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NU likes Koshi's points.
NU is but a simple sheep. NU agrees with Koshi, NU sheeps Koshi.
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On October 08 2016 23:11 Koshi wrote:
superbia is mafia as well.
Not sure I agree, but I would lynch him nonetheless for stopping to make funny posts.
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Day 2: Vote Count #3
- Palmar (4) - marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie,
Calix, Superbia, NeverUnlucky
- Damdred (1) -
NeverUnlucky, Grackaroni, NeverUnlucky, scott31337
- justanothertownie (4) - Calix, Palmar, Grackaroni, Oatsmaster
- marvellosity (1) - Superbia,
NeverUnlucky
Not voting (1) - Damdred
Currently, justanothertownie is set to be lynched in (Saturday, Oct 08 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00).
Remember, voting is mandatory.
The voting thread is located here.
Please report any errors in the vote count via PM to the hosts.
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I'll drop my vote before I leave.
I also like Koshi's point about "playing right above not getting lynched" as a descriptor of Palmar's posts, it's quite accurate imo. I'll consider it.
Would also consider voting for Scott.
As it stands, I'm just unvoting for now.
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On October 08 2016 23:08 Koshi wrote:I strongly believe we should lynch Palmar. His main and only objective is to sit right above not getting lynched. He hasn't given any believable reasoning for any scumread. Not once. look at it + Show Spoiler +On October 07 2016 18:46 Palmar wrote:
It jives rather well with what I've been thinking about this game.
Batsnacks sounded like a townie
Oats sounds like a townie
NU sounds like a special snowflake
Grack is not as funny as I would've thought he should be, but I do like him nonetheless, for now.
Superbia is being an ass, but he does that all the time as all alignments, don't think he's been overtly scummy. One of the big milestones today is going to be whether or not he realizes what is up. If he doesn't, he needs to be dropped very low on everyone's lists when I flip town. Superbia is smart, knows me well, and a good player in general. If he votes for me when I'm town, that's super concerning.
Damdred and Stutters are players I have completely ignored.
Marv is going to drop his vote on me. If he actually stays he's 100% mafia. He reads me better than any player in the history of TL mafia, he has basically a 100% rate on figuring my alignment by day 2 when he's town. If I ever flip town, and he is still calling me mafia, he is scum. there is NO WAY AROUND IT. Thing is, I also know that he knows exactly this. He CAN'T be wrong on me, so I know he's going to end up drop his vote on me today. Depending on whether I believe the reasoning there's a tiny chance I'm wrong. But the NK, his play, his lack of enthusiasm for some things and just some tonally weird things, all point to marv-mafia. Not to mention, both HF and I picked up a townie vibe from batsnacks, and marv completely failed to recognize it. He is better at town than both of us, and that is super concerning.
JAT/Koshi/Calix <--- Three strong players who have been atrociously wrong throughout the game. There is definitely town in this group, probably even two. Whichever ones of you are town need to pull head out of asses and start playing reasonably. It is very likely that one of the townies is Koshi, because him tunneling stupid things is kind of what he does as town, the other two are slightly better so who knows.
Regarding Calix specifically, my day 1 read of her is mostly tonal. She felt very analytical and willing to try to solve the game when she was town in the last game I was with her. This contrasts her more timid and reserved tone here. I am also slightly suspicious of how she could read me so well on day 1 (against all odds she was calling me town) and then dropped it with some complete bullshit reasoning on n1, that is worrying. . Not a single actual reason to scumread anybody. Something intelligent. Last 3 pages are filled with wifom and little jabs at people. I don't know why he does that as mafia. But it is 100% NAI. Like... Why do you townread him for that? His last scumlist was marv/damdred/JAT. But marv is the person he wants to convince the most he is town. Damdred he fully ignores. JAT scumread earned him 2-3 townreads. Where are the authentic reads? There is nothing. He is just playing right above not getting lynched. And we should lynch him.
This is a really good post.
Palmar indeed has no real justification for any of his mafiareads now that he apparently isn't scumreading marv anymore (noone knows why his vote was on me instead of marv anyways). He posted just enough to get people off him and later he posted just enough to appease marv.
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Wow I go afk and the narrative changes... who would've thought??
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On October 08 2016 23:59 Palmar wrote:
Wow I go afk and the narrative changes... who would've thought??
lalalala can't hear you over how much mafia you are
lul
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Palmar's first two filter pages are town except for his rude modkill post. Me not sure if Palmar is scum.
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If there is anything that is not scummy it is the modkill post.
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My modkill benefits scum, so it is a scummy thing to say, yes.
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On October 08 2016 23:59 Palmar wrote:
Wow I go afk and the narrative changes... who would've thought??
It is pretty much the same except nu voted you.
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On October 08 2016 23:53 Calix wrote:
I'll drop my vote before I leave.
I also like Koshi's point about "playing right above not getting lynched" as a descriptor of Palmar's posts, it's quite accurate imo. I'll consider it.
Would also consider voting for Scott.
As it stands, I'm just unvoting for now.
Yes, it is accurate. Is it scum-AI though?
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On October 09 2016 01:29 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2016 23:53 Calix wrote:
I'll drop my vote before I leave.
I also like Koshi's point about "playing right above not getting lynched" as a descriptor of Palmar's posts, it's quite accurate imo. I'll consider it.
Would also consider voting for Scott.
As it stands, I'm just unvoting for now. Yes, it is accurate. Is it scum-AI though?
Given that Koshi's point is that Palmar's sole intention with posting is to avoid being lynched, then yes, that is scum-indicative.
If you disagree then run up a good counter-argument if you have one so we can discuss it. Better now than later.
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Superbia:
Like I said multiple times this game already one things he tends to do as mafia is actively sabotaging town atmosphere by being hostile/needlessly aggressive. This post is an example:
On October 04 2016 20:38 Superbia wrote:
General complaint:
I agree that this PM shit is really really fucking dumb.
The fact that people are already drawing conclusions based on someone who claims he can be mod confirmed is also really fucking dumb. Like conjecture regarding PMs is already happening.
This why you never bring this shit up. You're either soft claiming a role or you're really talking about again-the-rules shit like an absolute dumb ass. Either way it's fucking dumb because people are now talking about PMs and inferring based on it.
I wanted a nice, high-level game. Not PM garbage.
Thx4listening.
There is 0 point in complaining like this and it makes very little sense that this of all things prompts him to make a rant post while he supposedly felt the need to lurk all day1 and he had basically nothing to say about the actual game at that point in time. It's out of place.
On October 04 2016 22:00 Superbia wrote:
For serious though. There's a decent meta reason why I want to stay in the sidelines (as town—but also regardless of alignment) d1.
Ok, but how come his activity and involvement in the game took an absolute nosedive since day1? He doesn't seem interested in solving this game at all. You would expect him to ramp up his activity now. Not go into lurkmode.
When he got under a little well deserved pressure from HF on day1 he lashed out in a wholly unwarranted fashion. This is very reminiscent of his mafia game:
On October 05 2016 05:01 Superbia wrote:
I'm fucking done with this garbage bullying attitude.
He basically afked through the day1 lynch without being interested in the game at all and when he came back this is everything he got:
On October 06 2016 05:27 Superbia wrote:
Yo I played divinity w gf all day and gonna sleep now. Im town so plz no lyncherino etc. I have time tomo bc the gf will be home late
On October 06 2016 05:28 Superbia wrote:
Oh im not being voted. Still no lynch pls
If he assumed that he would be a wagon then why is he so disinterested? Why is he assuming this anyways? Guilty conscience?
And another question is the following:
This is Superbias read progression on Palmar:
On October 05 2016 05:02 Superbia wrote:
I'll let you geniuses figure out how Palmar's play early d1 was similar to his last scum game.
On October 05 2016 05:49 Superbia wrote:
Anyway I think:
NU/Calix/Marv are town.
JAT is pretty town.
Palmar is possibly town.
HF is possibly town.
Rest is all meh with bats taking the lowest slot.
Note how bats is mafia Palmar is town.
Yet, in the end his vote ends up on Palmar and not on bats?! No explanation given at all.
Yes, there is this post but how is this justification enough to vote Palmar over bats?
On October 05 2016 16:49 Superbia wrote:Kicked out of my town.
This felt really forced:
On October 06 2016 16:08 Superbia wrote:
Mandatory "I'm a pr" bullet-bait.
Then after the lynch there is this bs on me that I talked about earlier but noone seemed to understand. Let's start from the beginning:
The situation is the following - bats and Palmar were the wagons, JAT was not around for the lynch and left before the wagons took off. Superbia starts posting in a thread where noone is around at all. These posts are made:
On October 06 2016 16:12 Superbia wrote:
Hmm did JAT have an opinion on Palmar or Bats?
On October 06 2016 16:12 Superbia wrote:
Only vote outside the wagons outside of Bats and stutters (who will hopefully get MKed).
Note how:
1. He asks a question to an empty thread that he could have easily checked with one click on my filter.
2. He is insinuating that I am mafia for not being on a wagon.
I then question him if he really thinks this is scummy (I mean, I wasn't around). He confirms:
On October 06 2016 18:21 Superbia wrote:
If the wagons are TvT then the outlying votes are more scummy.
I call him out for it.
THEN he asks me this question:
On October 06 2016 22:40 Superbia wrote:
Yo JAT what would you make of a TvT wagon?
Earlier people seemed to misunderstand this timeline. This question came AFTER him throwing shade at me. He is asking it AFTER THE FACT to justify his shitflinging that he did BEFORE.
So why did he think it made me mafia considering:
On October 06 2016 22:41 Superbia wrote:
(I'm not even saying this is a TvT wagon btw)
???
It makes no sense.
I will make a second post about some meta-y things in a moment.
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tldr: Superbia wasn't interested in the lynch, his vote made very little sense, his activity went down instead of up after day1 and his attitude fits his mafia meta.
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