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Not lynching: Koshi, haze, Rels, kush, emperor, Lunatic
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On July 22 2016 04:00 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2016 03:58 Lunaticman wrote:
I think Rels feels wrong for lynching day 1, I think he actually contributed to the town. There are better choices. Hell I'd rather hang Kruppe because he makes no sense to me even though he puts efforts into the posts. My contribution this game has been super small. Are you comparing me to only Kruppe or do you have other person in mind ?
My point is that it is just not quantity of the posts but also the quality (Yes I said it).
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On July 21 2016 23:32 emperorchampion wrote:I did notice that Rels neglected DC's follow up post in his analysis: Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 20:41 Rels wrote:On July 21 2016 02:07 DCWasabi wrote:On July 20 2016 23:34 Tumblewood wrote:On July 20 2016 23:28 emperorchampion wrote:On July 20 2016 23:26 Tumblewood wrote:
actually no
luna's one post is not enough to balance out his previous posting. he's been posting but hardly playing all game. that definitely warrants a scumlean in my book. (this also applies to ec)
also if luna is scum I guess koshi isn't partners because why make a scum case and not go for the cred? shitty mafia move. Actually I've been playing the game a lot, so what's your scum lean based off of? when I say "posting but not playing" I mean you and luna are making a lot of posts but hardly working toward solving the game. OK, but if there is one thing that I learned from my first 2 games, it is that it is pretty nontrivial to "work towards solving the game" on Day 1. I think the first thing that is useful that one can do is get some activity out there day 1, and get your tone established so that you can be more easily read as town by the town moving forwards. I think this is one of the things that I actually did properly as town in the Onegu Best Host Game. Town should be trying to solve the game, but some of the players haven't even posted yet, for example it is 10am local time for me and I just woke-up 30 mins ago and am trying to get caught up. I don't scumlean either of those guys yet, tbh. At the same time, I kind of like this post by Tumble because it is the kind of thing that can help to start more meaningful discussion going and discourage people from posting random banter, otherwise they might get scum-read by this reasoning. I am going to slightly town-lean Tumble because his post leads to a slightly more favorable environment for town. I don't like this post. DC I need you to explain yourself on two things. 1- You say "Town should be trying to solve the game". Now you say it's hard to solve the game at the time of this post because "some of the players haven't even posted yet". BUT the players Tumble are talking about have posted quite a lot already. So this doesn't apply ? What is the motivation that pushed you making this post ? Why do you disagree with Tumble here ? 2 - Why do you don't scumlean either of those guys " yet" ? Cause it seems like yuo plan on scumleaning them later, which doesn't make sense, if they are scummy you should scumlean them now ? So the post in question was followed by: Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 05:01 DCWasabi wrote:
Fuck, slow-down with the 1-liners everyone.
Want to clarify my stance a bit on the Tumble vs Empc thing as it seems like it is important.
I TR Tumblewood because I think he is trying to promote a good environment for town and he seems to be reading and interested in solving things.
I don't agree with his argument that Empc is necessarily scum though, because I think he actually is playing a bit differently this game... for example I don't see him making "logical leaps" like he did in Onegu or pushing as hard as he did early in that game; so I don't think that you can scum read him just off of Meta.
Tumble vs Empc seems T v T initially.
Let's focus on some not-useless shit.
I gotta get back to work for a bit, but I will be around...
So especially point 2 from rels is really put into question.
Yeah I read that second post 2 minutes ago right now. I stopped before reading it a few hours ago. I read his answer to me too. I want to read his filter aftrer I'm done catching up because it seems like he talks a lot to say nothing.
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Was Haze fake claiming role too?
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On July 22 2016 00:36 prplhz wrote:
Just start stacking votes on Rels and see where it leads.
Pros: He's scum
Cons: Maybe he's town but then we'll figure out something else
But seriously, we need this to go somewhere other than 6 different directions and Rels could absolutely be scum. So start stacking votes on him.
I don't remember anything you've done this game apart from voting me because "why not". Step it up if you're town
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On July 22 2016 03:55 Palmar wrote:Solid reason, or well, a non-scummy way of doing things in the game. Good plan. Show nested quote +On July 22 2016 00:36 prplhz wrote:
Just start stacking votes on Rels and see where it leads.
Pros: He's scum
Cons: Maybe he's town but then we'll figure out something else
But seriously, we need this to go somewhere other than 6 different directions and Rels could absolutely be scum. So start stacking votes on him.
OK yeah prpl is town for me.
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On July 22 2016 04:04 Lunaticman wrote:
Was Haze fake claiming role too?
likely
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OK I need to go do some stuff, should be back before deadline!
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On July 22 2016 04:06 emperorchampion wrote:likely
I think that entire sequence was very weird. I think either palmar or Haze must be scum based on it.
I just wish I was vigilante so I could do it myself.
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On July 22 2016 01:47 emperorchampion wrote:Re-read on Rels: Show nested quote +On July 20 2016 19:47 Rels wrote:
Something needs to be said right now.
We won't ever use the majority vote to end the day early. Barring things like a red check or a fakeclaim ofc.
Longer day is almost always a good thing. More time to solve the game, more time to hear what lynch candidates have to say, no risk of snap lynching a scummy townie that is just AFK.
If you're against that speak now then STFU forever. This is a good point, but just free townie points I suppose. Show nested quote +On July 20 2016 19:58 Rels wrote:On July 20 2016 19:53 Lunaticman wrote:On July 20 2016 19:49 Rels wrote:On July 20 2016 19:44 Lunaticman wrote:On July 20 2016 19:40 Rels wrote:On July 20 2016 19:38 Lunaticman wrote:This post is beyond me, are you saying someone is cheating? No. How much IRL mafia did you play ? About 20 games, with around 8-16 players per game. We usually only played with the standard roles with some flavour such as Medic and Sheriff. But basically vanila mafia. Each game might have lasted around 8 hours per playthrough. I would consider myself an very vocal player but also guilable. Many games have been one or lost because of people spending to much time analyzing my actions. As I always say to myself the silent mafia is the worst mafia... but I digress since this seems very different. How did you play as scum ? I don't think it would be more than subtile differences tbh between me as a townie or mafia, the biggest thing I would say is that as mafia I would probably spend more time analzying the voting tenendcies before speaking. I would also probably try to spend time "mudding the water" raising suspicion on several players at once. I don't think I want to reveal more than that otherwise I would spoil the fun. Usually when I am mafia I make a critical misstake sometimes later in the week but they can be missed... I also have a tenendcy to change play between playthroughs just to not get to predictable. And you if I may ask? How do you play? Why would revealing more about yourself would "spoil the fun" ? I am an active player as either alignment. As town I have the most success finding scum by finding inconsistency in what they say. As scum I try to replicate that to destroy lynchbait. Haven't really seen either this game I think. Show nested quote +On July 20 2016 20:39 Rels wrote:On July 20 2016 20:29 Lunaticman wrote:
Rels since no one else seems to be active right now maybe you could help me explain a bit about the roles.
"Mason and Parity Cop vs Godfather goon and roleblocker
cop and jailkeeper vs Godfather, strongarm and role blocker
Jailkeeper and vigilante vs Godfather, Goon, Strongarm"
I do not recognize the jailkeeper, strong arm and godfather.
Jailkeeper protects a person each night, like a doctor. The difference is that he also roleblocks his target. If his target is a cop for example, the cop will be protected but won't be able to check someone that night. If the jailkeeper target is a mafia killing someone, his target won't be able to carry the kill (IE no mafia kill will happen). Strongarm: during the night, the mafia can kill one person. If their target is protected, the kill won't happen. BUT the strongarm can make it so that the kill will bypass protection. Godfather: a cop can check a person each night to learn his alignment: town or mafia. A godfather will return "town" to a cop acheck. This kinda thing could fall under the posting to seem like contributing, but not really contributing anything banner. Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 20:28 Rels wrote:
Lunatic is very townie for a newbie. Always questioning stuff posted in the thread + posting when there are silence in the thread to give boost to the game. It doesn't seem like it but it actually is hard to continually post as scum, so it's a towntell that he's doing these in his first forum mafia game. I like this post. Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 20:54 Rels wrote:On July 21 2016 04:15 Palmar wrote:On July 21 2016 04:02 Lunaticman wrote:On July 21 2016 04:01 Palmar wrote:On July 21 2016 03:57 Lunaticman wrote:On July 21 2016 03:53 emperorchampion wrote:On July 21 2016 03:45 Lunaticman wrote:On July 21 2016 03:34 Skynx wrote:On July 21 2016 03:27 Lunaticman wrote:
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Based on this I'm putting down my vote for now on EC.
Even if he turns green you will be the next auto lynch. Or rather a blue should check you during the night to save a lynch target.
I will change the vote if someone comes up with a better argument for a d1 lynch. What does emperors alignment has anything to do with mine? I haven't even read him yet. Also you say what i just said is convincing enough for you to vote on ec. But i didn't say anything new or something related to his specific behaviour here. So, thats kind of a shitty vote. Why is he mafia? I think it was a good argument, and votes generate friction, which generates more content. I am totally fine voting for someone if I think the argument is good enough especially on day 1. What I find confusing is why you would demote your own arugment, that is very strange. I actually think he is fighting for his life as a townie, but the day is far from over. I dunno if this makes sense. Why would you vote for a town person? Also I am far from fighting for my life. I am "defending" my self from tumble because his arguments are so weak, they are leading me to think that he might be scum. Voting for people is a common tactic this generates pressure which generates misstakes, you can switch your vote anytime unless I am missing something. Go forth and make mistakes my friend Maybe you should give us a list of our reads so far and some thoughts. You have been chilling far to much. ok. 100% town - aka never lynching.Prplhz Skynx Likely town:Tumblewood emperorchampion Rels Null, no reason to lynch but no real reason to townreadPalmar DCWasabi Koshi Gracaroni null, possibly scum because I haven't really noticed themnnn_thekushmountains Lunaticman Scummy/possibly mafiasicklucker Kruppe the eel Why are SL / Kruppe scummy when they have done nothing at all ? Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 21:02 Rels wrote:
Alright meeting time, see you in a few hours (= please answer my question if I've asked you one earlier. My mind atm:
Town
Lunatic
Skynx
EC
Tumble
Palmar
Scum
Koshi
Kruppe
DC
People missing are null. His town list seems a little at odds, notably the Palmar inclusion. Seems like he's raising some questions about Palmar's town list, but then has him as town. Seems a little odd. Also I've pointed out the thing about his comments on DC, and how he ignored the second post. I think the town thing and palmar + the thing about missing DC's post are the things that I find most off.
Now that the DC's thing is explained, do you still think I'm scum ?
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On July 22 2016 04:09 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2016 04:06 emperorchampion wrote:On July 22 2016 04:04 Lunaticman wrote:
Was Haze fake claiming role too? likely I think that entire sequence was very weird. I think either palmar or Haze must be scum based on it. I just wish I was vigilante so I could do it myself.
Bro (/girl) it was a joke
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On July 22 2016 04:10 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2016 04:09 Lunaticman wrote:On July 22 2016 04:06 emperorchampion wrote:On July 22 2016 04:04 Lunaticman wrote:
Was Haze fake claiming role too? likely I think that entire sequence was very weird. I think either palmar or Haze must be scum based on it. I just wish I was vigilante so I could do it myself. Bro (/girl) it was a joke
50% of Palmars posts qualify as "joke" or "troll" to me it just look like a scum with nowhere to hide.
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On July 22 2016 04:13 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2016 04:10 Rels wrote:On July 22 2016 04:09 Lunaticman wrote:On July 22 2016 04:06 emperorchampion wrote:On July 22 2016 04:04 Lunaticman wrote:
Was Haze fake claiming role too? likely I think that entire sequence was very weird. I think either palmar or Haze must be scum based on it. I just wish I was vigilante so I could do it myself. Bro (/girl) it was a joke 50% of Palmars posts qualify as "joke" or "troll" to me it just look like a scum with nowhere to hide.
It is non alignment indicative (NAI) for him.
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On July 22 2016 04:14 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2016 04:13 Lunaticman wrote:On July 22 2016 04:10 Rels wrote:On July 22 2016 04:09 Lunaticman wrote:On July 22 2016 04:06 emperorchampion wrote:On July 22 2016 04:04 Lunaticman wrote:
Was Haze fake claiming role too? likely I think that entire sequence was very weird. I think either palmar or Haze must be scum based on it. I just wish I was vigilante so I could do it myself. Bro (/girl) it was a joke 50% of Palmars posts qualify as "joke" or "troll" to me it just look like a scum with nowhere to hide. It is non alignment indicative (NAI) for him.
So hes just a douche?
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On July 22 2016 03:59 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 23:20 Koshi wrote:
Rels: His 3 scumtargets in his scumlist rub me the wrong way. Not enough focus on them before he made the list. Just 1 comment to justify the position. But nowhere there was any really pushing or convincing the thread. Bad bad bad. Of course it's like that, I stopped mid-catching up 'cause my lunch break was over. I'm set on nobody so it's normal I'm not focusing on nobody.
That was possible. There is a shot that you are town and mafia ml of choice.
The idea that Krup is mafia because he made that envelope post after Palmar called him out is silly.
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rels I saw a post (or maybe it was two, I can't remember) so you'd better spew town to keep from getting lynched
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On July 21 2016 23:21 DCWasabi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 20:41 Rels wrote:On July 21 2016 02:07 DCWasabi wrote:On July 20 2016 23:34 Tumblewood wrote:On July 20 2016 23:28 emperorchampion wrote:On July 20 2016 23:26 Tumblewood wrote:
actually no
luna's one post is not enough to balance out his previous posting. he's been posting but hardly playing all game. that definitely warrants a scumlean in my book. (this also applies to ec)
also if luna is scum I guess koshi isn't partners because why make a scum case and not go for the cred? shitty mafia move. Actually I've been playing the game a lot, so what's your scum lean based off of? when I say "posting but not playing" I mean you and luna are making a lot of posts but hardly working toward solving the game. OK, but if there is one thing that I learned from my first 2 games, it is that it is pretty nontrivial to "work towards solving the game" on Day 1. I think the first thing that is useful that one can do is get some activity out there day 1, and get your tone established so that you can be more easily read as town by the town moving forwards. I think this is one of the things that I actually did properly as town in the Onegu Best Host Game. Town should be trying to solve the game, but some of the players haven't even posted yet, for example it is 10am local time for me and I just woke-up 30 mins ago and am trying to get caught up. I don't scumlean either of those guys yet, tbh. At the same time, I kind of like this post by Tumble because it is the kind of thing that can help to start more meaningful discussion going and discourage people from posting random banter, otherwise they might get scum-read by this reasoning. I am going to slightly town-lean Tumble because his post leads to a slightly more favorable environment for town. I don't like this post. DC I need you to explain yourself on two things. 1- You say "Town should be trying to solve the game". Now you say it's hard to solve the game at the time of this post because "some of the players haven't even posted yet". BUT the players Tumble are talking about have posted quite a lot already. So this doesn't apply ? What is the motivation that pushed you making this post ? Why do you disagree with Tumble here ? 2 - Why do you don't scumlean either of those guys " yet" ? Cause it seems like yuo plan on scumleaning them later, which doesn't make sense, if they are scummy you should scumlean them now ? 1. The point of my post is that those 2 should not be scum-read for low content posts that early in the game. Like literally it was the first 6 hours they were being scrutinized for. That is still the banter phase and people are establishing their tone. My motivation? Obviously I don't want anybody miss lynched for a stupid reason. I think that should be obvious for town to see... 2. I don't scumlean them "yet" because they haven't done anything to warrant it yet. I was implying that this does not mean that I'm giving them a free pass forever or that I think they're necessarily town (at the time). Will post more on my lunch break, and getting ready for work now but I wanted to respond to this because it was directed at me.
2. OK. Still think it's a weird way to put it. But I can't prove it.
Where exactly do you live ? IE in what timezone ?
1. Tumble point was not that these two had no content. It was that they were trying to look like they wrote something meaningful to appear useful.
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On July 22 2016 04:16 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2016 04:14 Rels wrote:On July 22 2016 04:13 Lunaticman wrote:On July 22 2016 04:10 Rels wrote:On July 22 2016 04:09 Lunaticman wrote:On July 22 2016 04:06 emperorchampion wrote:On July 22 2016 04:04 Lunaticman wrote:
Was Haze fake claiming role too? likely I think that entire sequence was very weird. I think either palmar or Haze must be scum based on it. I just wish I was vigilante so I could do it myself. Bro (/girl) it was a joke 50% of Palmars posts qualify as "joke" or "troll" to me it just look like a scum with nowhere to hide. It is non alignment indicative (NAI) for him. So hes just a douche?
=D
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before I say that though I guess I should read DC's filter
@skynx why are you not lynching rels or kush?
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On July 22 2016 04:17 Tumblewood wrote:
rels I saw a post (or maybe it was two, I can't remember) so you'd better spew town to keep from getting lynched
First, this sentence is not missing something.
Second, why do (or did ?) you think that EC played this game and last game similarly ?
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