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Lunaticman
Profile Joined November 2007
Sweden1097 Posts
July 24 2016 13:27 GMT
#2021
On July 24 2016 22:21 Grackaroni wrote:
But townie points for hammering.


Yes but it looked like he did it after me and SL talked about that we couldnt get grac lynched even if he voted. It seemed like a desperate vote not to stand out, like he was waiting for the chips to fall and the tumble basically told him that he wasnt going to make it and score easy town points.

It depends on your viewpoint I suppose.
Failure is not an option
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 24 2016 13:28 GMT
#2022
skynx/dcw/sicklucker

2 out of 3


lunatic benched.
I had a good night of sleep.
Lunaticman
Profile Joined November 2007
Sweden1097 Posts
July 24 2016 13:41 GMT
#2023
On July 24 2016 22:24 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2016 22:18 Lunaticman wrote:
On July 24 2016 22:08 Koshi wrote:
On July 24 2016 21:42 Lunaticman wrote:
On July 24 2016 21:38 Koshi wrote:
On July 24 2016 21:05 Lunaticman wrote:
Wait is kruppe dead? I don't get if there was a night kill.

Read the spoiler.



I think I would lynch dcw today. Or sl or skynx or lunaticman.
But more likely dcw and sl.


Ok that sucks, maybe it was implied that he died of course. So even if he jailkeeped himself the mafia could kill him?

I think we should just follow kruppes read and get DC or Rels.

I also agree that SL, skynx or lunaticman looks extremly scummy from what happend. But remember Kruppe did clear me as town.


He didn't clear you at all. Just like all other players here we believe we can find mafia based on the fact they have extra information. And you play so clueless we don't associate it with mafia play. But you are not cleared. Far from.


You are also pushing a Rels lynch? For what? Kruppe only said to go Rels/Koshi if Tumble was town. If Tumble was mafia he agreed 100% with my list. He just added EC. Which I told him was ludicrous and I think he agreed. Probably didn't read his filter yet and had the same problem I had with Grack earlier. See quotes.


His real reads:
On July 24 2016 06:18 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
This is Kruppe's list of traitors:
- Tumblewood
- DCWasabi
- emperorchampion/skynx

Either Kruppe is completely wrong or wrong on at most 1 person.

Let us kill Tumblewood, friends!


On July 24 2016 06:21 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
On July 24 2016 06:21 Koshi wrote:
Oh btw Mr. Krippe, Sir.

EC is not mafia. The guy played really good through the game.


Kruppe possibly agrees. The third traitor is somewhat of a mystery.


Yes you are correct, I just vaugly remembered Rels and DC was mentioned by kruppe the last time I checked.

If that is true I see no reason why we would not lynch DC.

And I am not clueless, I was the one who got the train started on tumble, although it was for the wrong reasons. If you check my filter I knew there was a mafia between Koshi/tumble. Dont blame me for beliving him. He did convince me he was town later which was obviously wrong. That is why I wanted to switch the lynch to Koshi instead. We are lucky I didn't manage to sway enough votes between me and SL.

And to say I'm pushing is a bit harsh, I assumed he wanted us to lynch them which you can tell by the way I phrased the sentence, do you have to post perfect everytime and check every filter? I think that is not the way the game is supposed to be played. I mean there is a reason you cant edit right? however I thank you for correcting me.

I agree you shouldn't be correct every time. But I found it odd that in your posts the names EC and Rels popped up while it is very clear the names DCW/sicklucker should be way more prominent.

And you are not clueless about the game of mafia. You clearly know how it should be played. But you are always doing these things... Like push Tumble/Koshi/Kruppe as a group of people but not say who is the most likely mafia. When did you say Tumble was likely mafia and we should lynch him? You talked more about Kruppe being mafia while the guy was OBVIOUS blue... That is what I mean with clueless.

Same thing around TW lynch.


I understand what you are saying and I know it is hard to read like all my filter I'll explain my plan again starting day 2:

It felt like the mafia was using my hyperactivity to throw shade in many different directions. So I set my sight on making two traps for them.

One for kruppe in which I wanted someone to CC him. I knew from his tone that I thought he was town and it would have been easy for me to train the CC:er as an mafia. This plan did not succeed.

And one in which we lynched either Koshi or Tumblewood. I knew that both of these players were trying to build a reputation for being townies together with me. It is a common strategy to have at least one mafia try to lead the town since the risk is very worth it.

So I tried pushing those three names over and over. The town agreed with me after a discussion and we started to train Tumble. The problem here is that it felt like Tumble was a townie and he convinced me. This put the fear of god into me and I thought that the hammer would get a green townie on tumble.

This left Koshi as an obvious mafia and by association Graci. That is why I came to the conclusion that there should be at least 2 mafia amongst the 5 orginal votes for tumble.

The town didn't want to lynch koshi but with the help of SL (who thought a lot like me for good or bad). We started switching for Graci.

Now in the end EC hammered Tumble and I was really thinking its game over. But he was the godfather.

This made me reevaluate the entire thing and this should indicate that Koshi and Graci are town. I think we should just follow kruppes line of thread and go for DC.

The last mafia is probably EC because of the way he voted in the end to gain town points.

Failure is not an option
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
July 24 2016 13:49 GMT
#2024
Ok I reread Tumbleweed's filter to try to look for connections. Tumbleweed started out by tunneling EC and then extended that tunnel on to Rels. He eventually dropped the EC tunnel and created an association between Koshi and Rels. At the end of day 1 Tumbleweed was against joining the DCW lynch only because DCW was being pushed by Rels. Other than that his filter seemed pretty uninteresting to me.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
July 24 2016 13:55 GMT
#2025
There also was not too many mentions of Skynx in TW filter considering Skynx's was one of the more active players.
Lunaticman
Profile Joined November 2007
Sweden1097 Posts
July 24 2016 13:59 GMT
#2026
On July 24 2016 22:55 Grackaroni wrote:
There also was not too many mentions of Skynx in TW filter considering Skynx's was one of the more active players.


That is also true, I don't really have a read on Skynx, all over the place like me.
Failure is not an option
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
July 24 2016 14:12 GMT
#2027
On July 22 2016 03:53 Palmar wrote:
yes, I don't remember a single post by him so he should be added to the list of 5.

Like can we all sort of agree on that list?

Skynx
Kush
Krupp
Tumble
Rels

We're lynching in here, right?

This Palmar kill is starting to look really strange to me right now when considering his list. He was one of the few to call out Tumble but is that really worthy of a kill based on Tumble alone?

On July 22 2016 06:26 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2016 03:48 Palmar wrote:
DC I forgot, but I also randomly opened his filter at some point and thought "well he's at least not obvious mafia".



He didn't seem to be scum reading DCW either.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
July 24 2016 14:13 GMT
#2028
I guess SL could have killed him since he seemed to feel that Palmar is a god-tier player.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
July 24 2016 14:17 GMT
#2029
On July 24 2016 23:12 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2016 03:53 Palmar wrote:
yes, I don't remember a single post by him so he should be added to the list of 5.

Like can we all sort of agree on that list?

Skynx
Kush
Krupp
Tumble
Rels

We're lynching in here, right?

This Palmar kill is starting to look really strange to me right now when considering his list. He was one of the few to call out Tumble but is that really worthy of a kill based on Tumble alone?

Show nested quote +
On July 22 2016 06:26 Palmar wrote:
On July 22 2016 03:48 Palmar wrote:
DC I forgot, but I also randomly opened his filter at some point and thought "well he's at least not obvious mafia".



He didn't seem to be scum reading DCW either.

he quoted himself saying "DCWasabi is going under the radar"

that's the opposite of clearing DCWasabi, that's saying he's worthy of more scrutiny
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
July 24 2016 14:22 GMT
#2030
On July 24 2016 23:17 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2016 23:12 Grackaroni wrote:
On July 22 2016 03:53 Palmar wrote:
yes, I don't remember a single post by him so he should be added to the list of 5.

Like can we all sort of agree on that list?

Skynx
Kush
Krupp
Tumble
Rels

We're lynching in here, right?

This Palmar kill is starting to look really strange to me right now when considering his list. He was one of the few to call out Tumble but is that really worthy of a kill based on Tumble alone?

On July 22 2016 06:26 Palmar wrote:
On July 22 2016 03:48 Palmar wrote:
DC I forgot, but I also randomly opened his filter at some point and thought "well he's at least not obvious mafia".



He didn't seem to be scum reading DCW either.

he quoted himself saying "DCWasabi is going under the radar"

that's the opposite of clearing DCWasabi, that's saying he's worthy of more scrutiny

Oh ok. Then it still could be a SL/DCW/TW kill.
DCWasabi
Profile Joined December 2010
United States368 Posts
July 24 2016 15:33 GMT
#2031
Well, guess I was wrong about tumble. Good job town, no thanks to me, lol.

I'm town, but I don't think there is anything I can say that will clear myself, so go ahead.

I will help you out. ##vote DCWasbi

Well played, Mafia!

Damdred and co.- thanks for hosting.
"Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like a banana." -Groucho Marx
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
July 24 2016 15:35 GMT
#2032
On July 25 2016 00:33 DCWasabi wrote:
Well, guess I was wrong about tumble. Good job town, no thanks to me, lol.

I'm town, but I don't think there is anything I can say that will clear myself, so go ahead.

I will help you out. ##vote DCWasbi

Well played, Mafia!

Damdred and co.- thanks for hosting.

who is scum
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 24 2016 15:53 GMT
#2033
I don't think there is a snowball chance in hell EC is mafia. I have read his filter AGAIN. I am not 100% sure ofc but seriously..

These guys, should repeated after me: "EC is not mafia"




On July 24 2016 19:25 Skynx wrote:
Emperors last min was scummy aswell.


On July 24 2016 20:50 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2016 20:26 sicklucker wrote:
emperor why did you vote one person in the vote thread and vote the other in the main thread with like 3 minutes before deadline?


There is a high probability, that SL and EC are scum.

Kruppes read was perfect, I think I will just wait for his reads and do what he says.



On July 24 2016 20:16 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2016 19:59 emperorchampion wrote:
There is probably 3 mafia on grack (maaaybe just 2). Almost certain that 1 of grack/sl is mafia, and grack is certainly town. I think we go sl for now.

I think cop only claims if they are about to be lynched or if the lynch target is checked green.


eh no we are both town im pretty sure I dont see how you can reach that conclusion if even I think that

##vote emperorchapion aka the guy lurking at the end waiting to see if he could save tumble



Especially it is beyond me that a vet like sicklucker doesn't see it.

Sicklucker, I would very kindly ask that you read EC his filter and give a definitive read on him. Because I know on of you 3 or maybe all 3 are trying to get him lynched and I don't understand why.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 24 2016 15:56 GMT
#2034
Is there any reason sl and skynx are not mafia together?
I can see dcw be town. But then those 2 need to be mafia.
I had a good night of sleep.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
July 24 2016 16:01 GMT
#2035
On July 25 2016 00:56 Koshi wrote:
Is there any reason sl and skynx are not mafia together?
I can see dcw be town. But then those 2 need to be mafia.

Mafia had the chance to move the lynch from TW to DCW yesterday and nobody voted DCW that didn't also vote for TW.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 24 2016 16:02 GMT
#2036
On July 23 2016 13:03 DCWasabi wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
OK, well turns out "solving the game" was a bit too ambitious, but I can give my thoughts...

Rels: #1 Mafia
He tunneled me 4ever, confirmed town (to myself).
He is also throwing shade at tumble, who I believe is town and Prp who is my #1 town read.

Grackaroni: Mafia
Rels #1 bestest teamate, if Rels flips town then disregard this read

prplhz: #1 town
consistant tone, changes his mind when presented with evidence, hard to fake passion, hesitant to lynch Kush, good thoughts about Kruppe

Skynx:
I think she is town or a skilled mafia, more likely town.
Filter is fucking long.
Good logic and reading things, moving thread forward.
I like her case on Koshi and defence of Kush.

note:
I don't read prplhz or Skynx as Mafia for scumreading me necessairly, because I admit that parts of my play have looked a bit scummy.
They aren't tunelling me like Rels was.

Kruppe: town for now because nobody cced

Tumble: Town
He is either town, or I think he is a really good at mafia.

Lunaticman:
Another fking long filter.
I think he is town, but if he ever confirmed town... do this: Go back and look at posts where he suspected somebody and then see who questioned his credibility right afterwards or called him crazy (they may be mafia).

Empc:
Town, as I explained earlier, I don't think his play this game is the exact same as his last scum games. For me it is noticeably different, even if he is not driving thread forward with logic, I feel like his posts are more heartfelt and not forced. Either he is town this game or he got better at playing mafia. i hope I'm not wrong.

There is also some Wifom about his "random vote" that yielded Palmar. I think it leans town as it would be too obvious to then NK palmer, but Wifom will be Wifom. It is a bit weird though that he then didn't comment on the idea that maybe mafia were setting him up... but it is not like he was really pushing for a Palmar kill, so it is probably nothing...

1 more thing, he is defending me at a points where I think it would have be stupid to do so if he was mafia. I mean, if there are several town on me right now, then I think Mafia could have a good shot at lynching me with a push form just 1-2 Mafia (please don't do that).

He says I need to step up and I think that is fair.

Sicklucker:
Towny because his reads make sense to me

Koshi: Town
if he is not town then we will worry about that later, he can actually push thread forward if he is town.


WELL FK, one of my TR has to be Mafia because it doesn't add up


Let us imagine that DCW is town. Everything he did was actually completely "logical". He was just 100% wrong on everything. Look at that list

the guy hard townreads:
Skynx, Sicklucker, Tumble....
and then hard scumreads:
Grack, Rels
And at the end of the day decided to vote Koshi who he townread in that list.

There is no surprise that he mafia sided like hell during D2. But is he is mafia? Wouldn't he vote better to save mafia?

Like... It could be a town being 5000% wrong. Is he mafia and so horrible wrong? Mafia with TMI most of the times tries to make friends with town, tries to at least sound a bit like they are on the correct path.

This guy? Not so much.



I think we need to look at skynx and siclucker more.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 24 2016 16:04 GMT
#2037
On July 25 2016 01:01 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2016 00:56 Koshi wrote:
Is there any reason sl and skynx are not mafia together?
I can see dcw be town. But then those 2 need to be mafia.

Mafia had the chance to move the lynch from TW to DCW yesterday and nobody voted DCW that didn't also vote for TW.

They did. But then they would have shown serious face when DCW flipped town. And they never really had the votes to hit the iml.

I think mafia tried to make town switch to dcw but stay in the dark themselves.



And if DCW is mafia. It is only TW and 1 more hidden mafia that was pushing town.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 24 2016 16:05 GMT
#2038
Somehow it feels correct DCW is town. His filter looks very honest.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 24 2016 16:08 GMT
#2039
Reading his entire filter he always believed tumble was town. Always.
I had a good night of sleep.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
July 24 2016 16:10 GMT
#2040
On July 25 2016 01:04 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2016 01:01 Grackaroni wrote:
On July 25 2016 00:56 Koshi wrote:
Is there any reason sl and skynx are not mafia together?
I can see dcw be town. But then those 2 need to be mafia.

Mafia had the chance to move the lynch from TW to DCW yesterday and nobody voted DCW that didn't also vote for TW.

They did. But then they would have shown serious face when DCW flipped town. And they never really had the votes to hit the iml.

I think mafia tried to make town switch to dcw but stay in the dark themselves.



And if DCW is mafia. It is only TW and 1 more hidden mafia that was pushing town.

It certainly didn't seem like they were trying to stay in the dark when they made their switch on to me. Why would they do so with DCW? Panic votes?
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