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Looking forward to lynching HTS for realz. | ||
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On April 19 2016 22:42 Half the Sky wrote: I have little tolerance for spam, but Fidei is even less tolerant of it than I am. Tread carefully is all I'll say. In the last newbie game I played, I did a fair bit of spam. But that was mostly because nobody else was posting anything else. Also, pre-game excuse, I now have a streak of not having been lynched in seven straight games as town. In fact, I've never been lynched in any game, but that doesn't count because I got carried by Rels and Alex/Mage in my two scum games. | ||
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Yay, another game without a 'confirm' window. Is this a thing now? Anyway, was busy at work this afternoon and am then planning to go for a swim when I get back, but I'll be on later. If you all could work out who the Mafia are me before then, that'd be great. | ||
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@TT do you 'kind of' agree with it or do you actually agree wh it. My opening wasn't long and FF's point wasn't complicated. Not sure I see much middle ground. It seems kind of a lame agreement-but-not-really from you. But I shall read the rest of your posts / the game before deciding for sure. I got to p7 before my swim. But all I really noticed was LS was making points. So I should re-read from the start. Which I will. | ||
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On April 21 2016 05:50 Fecalfeast wrote: are we still mad at me koshi? What do you think of LS? Have you done the reading, Fiddy? No I was eating dinner. I've sat down now and got my notepad out and everything. | ||
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On April 21 2016 00:50 Half the Sky wrote: 6/40 Shapelog, I'll rephrase the question. Tumbleweed, on the basis you townread LS (and I argued why it was poor), why couldn't that same critieria also come from mafia? That is mainly what I was trying to get at. I feel the bases for all his reads are pretty weak and I just don't know if that's his style (which you are contending) or whether he's actually mafia, the posts seem scummy to me. Also regarding post 134, the inset is part of the reason I scumread LS, double standard. Also just because I vote someone doesn't mean it's final. If I have reason to second guess my thinking or I find a better lynch I can always unvote. [5/40] HTS, when was the last time you played with LS? Because the concerning thing for me in this game is that he is actually giving reads with some explanation. In the last two games I played with him as town, that NEVER happened. | ||
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On April 21 2016 05:09 Tictock wrote: Right now I wouldn't be opposed to lynching any of these people for varying reasons. 4. Shapelog 6. Fidei86 7. DoYouHas 8. Tumblewood 9. GlowingBear 11. LightningStrike So whoever is town in this list if you could pick it up a little... ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ERxkPzh.jpg) The reason why I really really don't like this post is that it seems to be something of a "here is who isn't saying much" list, except that it doesn't include SL, who has said one thing so far? (Maybe two?) Unless there are good reasons for all these names that aren't to do with inactivity, and which will be explained later I guess. [6/40] | ||
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So I read the entire thread and genuinely, almost nothing stuck out to me (other than the things I commented on as I was going through.) Yes, I know, that's super unhelpful and super scummy. I might take a quick break and then re-read it. Since Koshi asked, I thought I'd take a look at gumshoe's filter to try and get myself going. The whole vote-retract on Damdred was bizarre. Damdred's posts were obviously not meant to be taken seriously. Damdred and HTS know each other, and they shit talk each other early on. But to make a case and then retract it when it receives the most cursory of push-back FROM DAMDRED suggests he just didn't believe it at all. His point on HTS was basically "she writes clearly" -- she always does that. His point on LS was confusing (scum don't try and get better in their games?). And his last two posts actually say nothing of substance, and seem to be written only with a view towards revving up Koshi. I could vote gumshoe at this stage. I'm getting the scum-feels from TT as well. And I am very suspicious of LS for actually playing the game (I've played with this man as town a number of times, and I've seen more thought put into his last few posts than I've seen pretty much before that point). I don't want to vote HTS this early. My reasoning is that (1) she's a good town player, I'd much rather D1 someone who isn't trying to contribute (2) she's always dispassionate (3) as scum she tends to ask more pointless questions and diverge from the sentiment of the thread. Here, she is making reasonable points that were on point as well. | ||
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Sorry for my inactivity guys. RL excuses. I have some time now for a little while, but chances are I won't be around at EOD / or at least I'll get home just around then. @LS are you really saying that the only reason you're scum reading HTS is because she's pushing you and because you consider yourself an easy target? What about the other people who are pushing you (Koshi, for example)? | ||
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One person I thought it was worth looking into a bit more is GB. GB's case (if you can call it that) against SL is that SL called out Damdred for 'wasting posts'. His reasoning is okay, but it just feels like trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. I haven't played with SL, but I get the sense he often says/does stupid shit. In the same way, I'm not going to pick apart one thing LS says on day 1 and dissect it to the nth degree. I know he says stuff that sometimes doesn't make sense - he does it as both alignments. The rest of his posts don't even seem to have a point. He says he has weak townreads on Damdred and DYH, but that's only vaguely interesting because he sort of defended Damdred earlier. He said he doesn't have time to play (and I know I've been kind of AFK), but I could definitely vote GB here. | ||
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@HTS I was a bit concerned to see you town read me for standard town meta. As far as I can see, my usual town meta is big long list post on D1 followed up with lots of messages IN ALL CAPS. In our last game where I was scum you were like "oh it's pretty suspicious that he isn't talking very much" - and in this game I've been pretty quiet. If there's one person in the game I'd trust to soul read me, it's you. But I'm suspicious that you just basically echoed Koshi's read on me without even putting any real gloss on it. | ||
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On April 21 2016 22:40 LightningStrike wrote: Koshi isn't really pushing me as hard as HTS, HTS knows I a easy target to pick on if she's scum(which I think she is) she also didn't really give much of a read on FF when she defended him vs Koshi(I don't think she really gave a read still to this point unless I missing it). [11/40] Buddy, I'm starting to think that the universe is playing a cruel joke on me. Every game we play together we're both town (pretty much). Every game I am utterly convinced that you are scum, and you never are. But this is so bad. I have argued in previous games that people were pushing you questionably because you are an easy lynch. But in this game you've actually made points and arguments and generally playing a lot better than you have before. Nobody else (other than me) has accused you of being an easy lynch. And HTS' read on FF? Yeah, Koshi's point was fine. HTS elaborated a lot on a null read. But lots of people don't have reads on lots of people. Fuck, I barely have reads on anyone (and I'm town), but you haven't called me out on it. Are you saying there's an association between FF and HTS? The thing is, I don't think you're dumb enough as mafia to get into a shitfight with HTS this early on. You *know* she's probably a top 5 player on the site, and she always catches you. Unless you're being smart and trying to throw her radar off by going on the offensive. Ugh. Can people start saying who they plan to vote for? Right now I could lynch SL (inactivity), gumshoe or GB. I don't have the town feels about anyone in particular, but I can't see myself voting for either Koshi or HTS, if only because they've been active and coherent, and voting particularly active people off when my reads are as weak as they are seems dumb. | ||
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I'm going to read TT's filter again now though. @Dani - answer my questioning of you! | ||
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Does anyone else get the sense that TT really doesn't believe his push on Tumble? I mean, it's not like Tumble has said anything particularly egregious. The whole thing made me feel like TT wanted to find a target and so just pulled things out of every post Tumble made and span them negatively. | ||
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That awkward feeling when the two most town read people in the game are you and Koshi ... Seriously, people are TRing me for bad reasons left right and centre. Dani's explanation was basically "I don't use OGI in giving reads". TT didn't even give one. Shape's was "Lol he was scum last time". Only Koshi's felt genuine. On D1 I usually use an activity proxy pretty heavily for my vote, or at least for my initial votes (will consolidate if needed, obviously), and I'm still on gumshoe / GB. I'm only going easy on TT because I understand he has a bit of burn-out - previously he was definitely a tier 1 player. My town circle right now is basically myself. I'm concerned. I have only skimmed the last few pages. I have a client dinner this evening which could either finish early or blast past the deadline. I'm placing my vote on gumshoe in case my phone dies and I end up having to stay out till 3am. ##vote: gumshoe | ||
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On April 22 2016 07:27 Damdred wrote: And Tt doesn't want to consolidate anywhere just waste his vote so anti town This | ||
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On April 22 2016 07:37 gumshoe wrote: Welp that sucks. Can we give this guy a fucking medal for least convincing flip contrition? Jesus | ||
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If I'm vigi tonight I shoot LS though. Dude doesn't string a sentence together for four games in a row and is town. He posts a WOT tonight and nobody bats an eye. | ||
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On April 22 2016 07:06 Tictock wrote: I think at this point the onus is on you to tell us why we shouldn't lynch you. As in, you really haven't done much at all this game. TT is scum, I think. This post is beyond Derp. I'm reading on a train with spotty reception so may not be able to post. If I die I strongly suggest you lynch TT. But if Dani doesn't die by day 3, it's probably her. | ||
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On April 22 2016 07:37 Half the Sky wrote: 26/40 Well I'm sorry for that fuckup FF, and Koshi, you'd have gotten the exact same result except a more active player would have gotten lynched. I'm going to break and return later tonight if I can, I have a few RL things keeping me up. Dani's all like "oh no, maybe I should have been on LS, like you would have expected from my filter, except I was on FF for literally no reason". Dani / TT makes a fuck of a lot of sense to me right now. Damdred is town I think. SL too. And Tumble. The last one could definitely be GB. (For the post game swag) | ||
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On April 22 2016 09:34 Fidei86 wrote: Drunk James says its HTS / TT / Damdred. But this is definitely one of the weirdest games I've ever been in. If I'm vigi tonight I shoot LS though. Dude doesn't string a sentence together for four games in a row and is town. He posts a WOT tonight and nobody bats an eye. I actually completely forgot about this read. Glad that drunk James and sober James are basically on the same page. | ||
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Dani do you at least accept that is highly suspicious? | ||
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As I said before, if Dani makes it to D4ish, I'm going to get the mega tin foil out. But for now, I'm okay with her as town. TW is town obviously. I'm pretty sold on LS as town, actually. The issue I have now is that all of Shape, GB and DYH have been particularly underwhelming. I'd put shape at the higher end of that, but DYH and GB have been borderline useless. I think looking carefully at their filters, which I'll do now, is likely to yield dividends in terms of solving this game. (Yes, I accept I just flipped on my two top scum reads, was wrong on Damdred and SL and have also been very questionable this game. But I know I'm town, so there). | ||
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The main thing I want from GB is to get over losing Damdred, his only strong read, and tell the rest of us what he's thinking. | ||
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On April 24 2016 01:25 GlowingBear wrote: Hello. Nitpicky on what? I don't trust a single word from Koshi. This is where I'm at atm. Everything he says looks forced to me. All of your reads were based on one or two posts from those people, and your issues with those posts were ... Minor I'd say. So are you saying you think Koshi is Mafia? | ||
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@LS Don't think that's a helpful way of finding scum | ||
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Does it seem likely that scum gumshoe calls the wagon on Koshi dumpster, when that's the only other one going? | ||
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On April 25 2016 05:27 Koshi wrote: I havent' read gumshoe his big post but it seemed big enough for him to not be mafia. ##unvote ##vote Fidei I'll sheep Damdred his read on Fidei. It's not me. If gumshoe isn't mafia, it's not for his massive WoTs late on. Whoever his scum buddy is could very easily have just gee'd him up to post stuff. Read his post and see what you think. | ||
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Unless those guys are scum together, this makes no sense to me. | ||
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On April 25 2016 05:45 Half the Sky wrote: 19/40 I was trying to figure out his general direction on who he's trying to lynch, besides his dropping off, I'm not clear on whether he's waiting to pick up on a lynch like SL or what....beginning of day 2, his approaches were all over the shop. If you look at page 2 of his filter he doesn't have a clear direction which makes me question whether he's a low activity mafia. Now I see he's trying to figure the game out but at the time I wasn't clear. On the other hand, you also have Shapelog who hasn't posted hardly dick all this cycle either. Do we think Shape's voting exhonerates him? If he were scum, if he'd managed to be on a wagon on scum that then got overtaken by a town wagon, I don't see why you'd then flip onto a town wagon at the last moment. That's just way too much weird play to make sense from a scum perspective. Unfortunately, that also means that DYH's play makes a lot more sense. So I'm at Town: LS, Shape, TW Confused about their voting right now: Koshi, gumshoe No particular reason to lynch: DYH Not scum as not pushing me???: HTS, TT ??? GB | ||
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On April 25 2016 06:41 Koshi wrote: Well like I said, there is 1 mafia between DYH and GB and I don't know who it is. I am voting GB because 1) Damdred reads (which I will always keep in my back head cuz I suck) 2) DYH had some reasons to be town, I remember voting him D1 and there were a bunch of people saying he did something townie. I don't remember who. But there was 1 post I thought was townie Why only one? | ||
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I've said before, it makes no sense to me for Koshi and Gumshoe to both come into the thread as the two leading wagons, and then both agree that the other is town and go after someone else. Unless they are both mafia? Am I crazy for this? | ||
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On April 23 2016 06:22 Damdred wrote: I had to run to the store so my post won't be posted maybe mafia won't kill me and I'll be able to post it when I'm home. But ATM I have Damdred LS Gumshoe Ticktock As my really pretty sure they are town GB Dyh Koshi As my probably town right now Hts Right now is a gut feel town. I feel like tumble is really likely mafia with what I said. Which leaves me in a world where SL, shape and james have two mafia in it from my perspective. Technically GB could drop here but idk I'm in his pocket a bit ATM with the hard town read earlier. If I had to make a guess its James, SL and tumble. But i was still working through things Hey Koshi. These are Damdred's reads before he died. GB is 'probably town'. If you're sanctifying Damdred's reads, and SL flipped red and Tumble claimed green, shouldn't you be voting me? | ||
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On April 25 2016 06:49 Koshi wrote: Hey Fidei aka James. I have said that lynching you is a good play based on Damdred his posts a million times already. Literally a million times. Okay, that's half of it. But I don't see how Damdred's read on GB (as town) could cause you to vote him as mafia? | ||
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DYH though, I could dig. I'm going to re-read his filter again. | ||
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On April 25 2016 05:24 DoYouHas wrote: @LS, I would very much like to hear your opinions on Koshi, GB, and HtS. This might be a nitpick thing, but I'm not sure why DYH wanted LS' view on GB, after he hard town read GB like an hour before. | ||
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On April 25 2016 07:01 Tictock wrote: Ugh, 3 pages in the past hour... Somehow I figured this was going to be the case. Wont be home for a bit and not sure if I'll get fully caught up in time. Just managed the finish gums WoT and subsequent posts on w/e page that happened on. I'll admit I am getting more of a townie feel from these posts, especially this one and the one where he defends Koshi. Just doesn't seem like it matches up with a scum agenda, which would be to survive, if he's defending the counterwagon and pushing people who aren't exactly highon peoples to-lynch lists. Not sure thats enough to convince me with such little time to think things through but it's a start. Fidei would prob be my pick to lynch if we aren't lynching gum. Yo TT. That genius point you just came up with on Koshi / gum? I'VE BEEN YELLING IT FOR THE LAST HALF AN HOUR. YOU HAVE ONE POINT TO MAKE ON THEM, AND YOU WANT TO LYNCH THE OTHER GUY WHO IS MAKING THE EXACT SAME POINT??? | ||
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##Vote: DYH | ||
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Okay, so that's a dumb reason to TR someone, but it just makes me even keener to lynch outside of those three. | ||
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On April 25 2016 07:29 LightningStrike wrote: If DYH flips town I going to be pissed but at least we got some decent info for this lynch. WELL THIS FILLS ME WITH FUCKING CONFIDENCE | ||
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![[image loading]](http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/5s.gif) Also Dani, I notice that you aren't including me and LS in your little list. Don't think I'm not on to you. | ||
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LightningStrike, Fidei86, Koshi, Shapelog, Tumble LS never mafia here. Started lynch on DYH out of nowhere. I'm obviously not mafia here, for being second onto it. Koshi hammered. Not mafia. Shape not mafia for piling on, and also for the voting on D1. Tumble for the claim. So that means its between GB, HTS, TT, gumshoe. I think we got this boyz. | ||
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And also, I am basically universally townread (or at least, nobody seems to have me on their scum list apart from TT). In what universe do I as mafia enter the thread, call the two leading wagons (gum / Koshi) bad, then REFUSE to get onto the GB wagon WHEN IT WAS LEADING BY MILES and bus the GF. ARE YOU ACTUALLY F'ING SERIOUS WITH ME RIGHT NOW. The only reason you're IN ANY WAY thinking it could be be is to keep the lynch pool wider than it might be. Which I guess is a good reason not to move you off the top of my lynch list  | ||
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Firstly, TT. If you think I am mafia, you have to believe that: 1. I came into the thread seeing wagons on two townies (gum and Koshi), and then refused to get on either, when there were PLENTY of reasons I could have adopted. Gum had basically asked to be lynched. GB made a ton of posts against Koshi. Instead, I used reasoning that you yourself used later (why would scum thread enter and call other leading wagon bad?) to say I didn't want on either wagon. 2. Then, having thrown plenty of shade on GB in the past, I also didn't get on that wagon either. At one point it had three votes. A fourth would have likely been enough to secure the vote. 3. With only LS, who with all due respect to him, has very little thread pull, on DYH, I get on the wagon, with plenty of other townies (eg HTS) having been skeptical of DYH (making the risk of an accidental wagon pretty high). I would also have known that all three other wagons were town, with townies looking for another wagon to keep themselves alive. 4. I get onto DYH despite him being the GODFATHER, which would leave me at the mercy of a possible redcheck end game. Unless you think Artanis included a godfather but no cop .... Which could happen. He is Dutch after all. Yes, at the end I wanted to consolidate. Maybe if you'd been here the whole time you would have noted that at one point our vote was 3,2,2,2. That is horrible for town. We had to consolidate, and everyone else seemed pretty set on their votes - hell GB and DYH had announced they'd gone AFK. I wasn't sure on the DYH lynch, nobody really was. Not even LS. Fuck, if I WAS bussing wouldn't I have begged everyone to get onto the wagon? There is literally no way I am Mafia in this game. Not with a probable cop out there. I don't want to rub it in, but if you are town you should feel bad for even thinking it. Town have got two mislynches to play with. The good thing is that there are only four realistic candidates. -------- TOWN CIRCLE LS is never Mafia in this game. He pushed the DYH lynch first, when it was in no way necessary. Nobody really wanted this lynch and it would NOT have happened if he hadn't voted for it. A bus just makes much too little sense, especially for someone like LS who I feel would prioritise the team. Tumble has claimed vig when a Mafia was shot, with no CC and convincing breadcrumbing. He is basically confirmed town. Koshi hammered DYH and he didn't have to. He has to go to the bottom of the pile, and is most likely town. Also, if he's scum I don't understand why he didn't just waive through the gum lynch. That was a thing he could have done. I see no world in which Shape is Mafia. His voting EOD1 is totally at odds with a sensible Mafia strategy. He's worth reading again, but he'a very likely town. I'm like town Jesus. MAFIA There are four people outside the town circle. HTS, TT, gumshoe and GB. I don't think VCA helps much here. Getting on the wagon late or not at all says very little. In my view town should lynch in the following order: HTS -- TT -- GB -- gumshoe. Dani is a really good Mafia player. In games I've played with her has town, she has crushed it. In this game, she hasn't been right about anything. At EOD2 she kept saying she was considering DYH, but at the same time she ended up on GB - someone she didn't really ever develop a read on. Also for someone who has posted a lot of VCA, and who was here at EOD, it's bizarre she had me as a higher likelihood of Mafia over TT. There might be reasons why she's playing not so well this game. But my view is that the most likely reason is that she's Mafia. TT - I've not been impressed or unimpressed. He's made some okay points, but he's made some pretty critical fuck ups (leaving SL off his list of inactives was pretty damning). Also doing a super long filter dive of ME, when each of GB, gum and HTS are THOROUGHLY indicted by an objective view of EOD2 is bizarre. Like, that time could have been used to try and figure out which of the people who could actually be scum in this game are. Instead it just looks like scum trying to keep the lynch pool wider than it should be. GB - I really got the sense towards EOD2 that Gb was a bad lynch. I've seen him mislynched a ton, and the best I can say is that I've seen him lynched as Mafia once and he fake claimed. I think he does the same thing here as Mafia. Probably. But he needs a re-read as well. Gumshoe - don't ask town to kill you plz, if you are town. But I'm happy enough with my reasoning that scum gumshoe doesn't thread enter and call the Koshi mislynch wagon dumpster and try and get a third wagon going on another townie. Given that at least one townie (one of HTS/TT) is scumming me a little bit, I probably won't be the target this evening. But if I do die, lynch HTS--TT--GB in that order. If we have a cop, you should check into those as well. Don't over complicate it people. Peace. Shout out to my boy Rels in the obs thread. | ||
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If you do not understand that we lynched scum out of nowhere yesterday and that that confirms the people who made that happen (me, LS, most likely you), I cannot explain it. I shouldn't have to explain it. | ||
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On April 26 2016 16:37 Koshi wrote: You didn't lynch shit. You sat on your mafia buddy and yelled at town to lynch anybody but your buddy. And mafia needed to get some cred so sitting on buddy while yelling town should lynch somebody else is actually a really logical play for mafia to make. But w.e Let's say we ignore the fact you sat on mafia and yelled to lynch town. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE THIS GAME? You have the worst filter out of everybody. Show me somewhere you tried to actually remove people from your lynchlist by using actual ingame based reasoning and then sticked to it the next time you gave a list post. Show me that. And stop yelling "I lynched mafia so I am town" because I don't give a single fuck about it and I will get you lynched. Sure Mafia need town cred now. I don't see why I as Mafia with DYH would have needed town cred, when we just could have easily mislynched any of you, gum and GB. I'm not going to defend my filter because I freely admit that I haven't played amazingly this game. I've struggled to form reads and most of my thoughts have been pretty random. But all I can say to that is that nobody apart from Tumble was really on SL, and nobody apart from LS (and then me and you) was on DYH. Long filter dive posts don't make you right. Gut reactions based on how the game developments don't make you wrong. | ||
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That is not telling people to lynch town. That is telling people to consolidate to stop Mafia being able to manipulate the vote. You're like the anally retentive general who cares more about whether their soldiers have polished their belt buckles than whether they can aim a f***ing rifle. Okay, last post from me on this. I've wasted enough. I don't think you're Mafia. You've made your position on me quite clear. But can you please also read GB/TT/HTS again, just to humour me if nothing else. | ||
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On April 27 2016 00:52 Tictock wrote: Internet has been out at home so trying to skim and do stuff while. I have access at work. Hopefully things are fixed when I get home though. I still think Fidei is probably mafia but it seems Koshi is the only one who sees what I see. Still not impressed with how he is pushing to lynch HtS with nothing more than a fear read though. I thought Koshi was more convincing in that one post about HtS than Fidei has been all game. My PoE is pretty much Fidei and GB and given we have 2? Mislynches before LyLo I can't really be too concerned with the order thatwe lynch them in. Besides with limited internet its gunna be hard to sway people regarding my read on Fidei past what I've already posted and. Koshi added. TT do you see any way that it is HTS or gumshoe? I literally cannot understand why you and HTS continue to hard TR each other despite both of you being implicated by the EOD2 VCA. Maybe Artanis included Masons and didn't put it in the opening post?? | ||
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... Lol. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. I am heading home soon and I will post my thoughts on HTS / GB / Gumshoe / TT this evening. | ||
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Apologies for not making any posts this evening, my friends wanted to play counter strike. I'm gonna head to work early tomorrow and play then, I double promise. | ||
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Also HTS you were here during the votes. This is ludicrous. You know me. You think as the last scum I bussed my last buddy to go solo? And that I did it when it was absolutely not necessary? Or that my call for 'consolidating' was actually a call to move off DYH? Yeah, if I'm alive at the end you absolutely have to look again at everyone. But voting me now over people who didn't vote scum last round on a last minute shenanigan? Come on. | ||
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Stop distracting me anyway, the faster I leave work the faster I can get home and write these posts I've been talking about for ages. | ||
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On April 28 2016 02:18 Tumblewood wrote: I don't like fidei's response to being pushed this is a shitty reason and very easy to refute, but he's responding from a ground of "nah you guys are so silly I'm confirmed town" then again, I'd expect him to prioritize his survival a lot more if he were last scum hmmm not seeing anyone more convincing though I'm now home and sat at my computer and ready to start filter diving. Please wait what I come up with before voting. I gave up practising softball with my team for this, so I hope you all at least read what I have to say before mindlessly voting me. | ||
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You know, for all the people voting me, I don't see anyone really considering anyone else (apart from gumshoe and GB against each other). When I flip town you're all going to have to rethink things. As far as I can see you're all just meandering towards my lynch. You're wasting time and this is exactly what mafia wants. | ||
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My working to get to this point is as follows: DAY 1 HTS's top scum read is LS all day. She consistently pushes him and consistently reads him as scum. She does not drop this read through EOD. At 22:44 BST she makes the following post: On April 22 2016 06:44 Half the Sky wrote: 19/40 I'm back, skimmed the thread, and reading filters. I'm seeing the contrarian (non-meta) reasons for townreads on LS to be coming down to a suicidal push on me, the meta reasons for reading him town are out the window unless you've forgotten Cell Mafia so quickly so any emotion he is displaying he's already proven he can fake that as mafia. So I am completely disregarding that. LS would still be my top active lynch. Definitely wouldn't lynch Koshi or Damdred and I need to re-read Tictock, the push on Tumbleweed seemed weird. For the inactives, just skimming filters, sicklucker is by far the top lynch for me in that category. Double checking gumshoe from the beginning atm, but if people aren't lynching LS, then I'd lynch sicklucker for consolidation. Note that she pings SL and says she is reconsidering gumshoe. At 23:02 BST she switches voting to SL. At that stage, she takes sicklucker to FOUR votes, with the next nearest wagon being FF on TWO. However, with town super spread out, it might well have appeared to HTS that SL was done for, and she wanted the town credit. Call it a bus of opportunity. At 23:19 BST she makes the following post, which is as far as I can see basically the only 'read' she makes of FF: On April 22 2016 07:19 Half the Sky wrote: 22/40 Now THIS is a remnant of the Dark Tournament (mafia) Fecalfeast. >_< Finally at 23:23 BST she makes the following post, switching to FF: On April 22 2016 07:23 Half the Sky wrote: 24/40 I switched to FF. My head is spinning right now. From a read flow perspective, it makes no sense for her to jump off her second top scum read (SL). HOWEVER, at this stage Damdred had voted SL at 23:09 BST, taking FF to THREE votes (and SL to three as well), and then gumshoe voted FF (with a detour at SL) at 23:16 BST taking SL to four and FF to three. HTS thus moved OFF a scum wagon that was behind and ON TO a town wagon that was already ahead. It is possible that she was looking to fortify SL's safety, I grant you. I also have a number of suspicions about Dani's play, mostly revolving around her having very few sustained pushes, asking lots of questions and not really doing anything with the information, voting FF basically out of the blue on EOD1 and GB again with not much explaining on EOD2. But I think I probably have a lot of fear / confirmation bias in my read of her. And I'd rather spend my time going through other filters than trying to reason out in my head why scum Dani votes EOD as she did. | ||
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I really don't like Dani's play this game. But I thought about it for a long time and I simply don't follow through on the scum logic of what Dani did EOD1, and not at the times she did it. Yes, scum Dani might have thought SL was done for and moved on to him. But if that was the case, why would she have not stayed on him once the lynch became FF? She would have known SL would have to die sooner or later (sooner, as it turned out), so the smart play was to stay on SL and take the credit. She didn't. Yes, of course she's capable of good play as mafia. This is not a scheme so wacky that it absolutely clears her. What I'm saying is that I need to find a scum and I don't have time for parsing each f'ing post she made. It's slightly self-inflicted on my part, since I could have played yesterday, but here we fucking are. | ||
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On April 28 2016 03:49 Half the Sky wrote: 24/40 I hate the bolded here but I'm going to deliberately keep my mouth shut as to why. It should be obvious I think at this point (hint: I've used it as an argument against at least one other person). Dani if you have something to say please fucking say it. | ||
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On April 22 2016 07:06 Tictock wrote: I think at this point the onus is on you to tell us why we shouldn't lynch you. As in, you really haven't done much at all this game. Ticktock, if you are here, I really think you have to explain this post and your vote D1. At this point, we were 24 minutes before lynch. At that stage, voting was highly contested between FF and SL. Three minutes later, Damdred switched his vote taking it to three on SL and three on FF. SL hammered at 23:16. You were in the thread. You saw a highly contested lynch, and nobody else was going to move to TW. Yet you didn't move. | ||
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On April 22 2016 06:38 Tictock wrote: I feel like I'm having more of an issue finding people I solidly think are town this game. Koshi feels like town Koshi, but he's kinda attacked half the game and his LS read was bull. HtS and Fidei are probably my strongest townreads based on tone, activity, and drive to solve the game. You (Damdred) strike me as town for starting off trying to generate discussion and trying to lead town now when votes are all over. Shape feels a little better to me having reread the game. I thought the way he approached a few of his reads felt towny, though tbf I think I'm largely going on something I noticed about his read on me so I take it with a grain of salt. GB and FF are floating in a "I think they are town... maybe" space for me. Which leaves me: 2. sicklucker 7. DoYouHas 8. Tumblewood 11. LightningStrike 12. gumshoe With regards to my post above, I also refer to the above post, where TT basically town reads FF and scum reads SL. But he does not vote to save his town read over one of his scum reads. And he posted on at least two occasions (before and after) how bad the lynch was. This is very suspicious to me. I shall continue reading your filter. | ||
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On April 28 2016 04:21 GlowingBear wrote: 29 I must say, although as weird as it sounds, that I'm starting to believe TT is the last Mafia. Does anyone understand why? Why don't you tell us? | ||
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The SL Omission At #158, TT makes a list post of people he would not be opposed to lynching. His only previous read of SL was at #112, when he said that SL was "kinda underwhelming". #122 was at 10:22 BST. #158 was at 21:09 BST. Later, TT says: A few people asked why I left SL out of my "lynch list" earlier. It's weak but I felt like his first couple of posts were him trying to get the game going by throwing out an early vote. His last post reacting to GB's push felt kinda genuine as well. His list post wasn't terrible and I kinda doubt he'd back off LS with the reasoning "hes so cute and trying hard" as scum. So while SL is being very low key this game I'm not feeling like that is scum indicative. In between those posts, the only post SL made was as follows: On April 20 2016 21:11 sicklucker wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Y7CxlX8.jpg) you need to chill dude I didnt even post in the vote thread its just for reactions mostly like always when I vote in the first 20 minutes.... I think the smart people are saving thire posts for tormorow/tonight when theres acual content to talk about. See ya then It's gibberish. There is no way that could possibly have influenced TT's read on him. SL's list post, which TT refers to, was not made until 01:30 BST THE NEXT DAY. So TT throws a little shade on SL, then leaves SL off his scum list, then he refers to a post that happened AFTER his scum list was made. The Tumble Case None of the posts in it are convincing. It reads as though he just went through Tumble's filter and negatively spun each of Tumble's points. First he says that Tumble's first three posts were contentless / notice me senpai. They weren't really. And fuck, Shapelog spent his first five posts INTENTIONALLY being dumb. Then he says Tumble 'pushed' Shape on policy lynches. Tumble was just pointing out something he thought didn't make sense. He didn't make a massive point on it. The rest of it is "he isn't reading the thread closely". At this stage lots of people were still dicking around / the thread was dead. All in all it's just a super meh case on a now confirmed townie that was made early in the day cycle. I don't want to make too much out of this, other than it's just all a bit ... meh. D1 Lynch Okay, this is the biggie. Bear in mind through ALL of this TT has his vote on TW, his top scum read. At #285 at 22:26 BST he posts this: Idk part of me thinks SL could be town, but I can't really find anything to back that up... he's been really lackluster and looking over his filter I don't see any motivation to find scum really. At #294, at 22:38 BST he posts this (shortened): GB and FF are floating in a "I think they are town... maybe" space for me. Which leaves me: 2. sicklucker 7. DoYouHas 8. Tumblewood 11. LightningStrike 12. gumshoe At 23:03 BST he posts this, in response to SL: On April 22 2016 07:06 Tictock wrote: I think at this point the onus is on you to tell us why we shouldn't lynch you. As in, you really haven't done much at all this game. He then posts again at 23:14 and 23:17 and three more posts before the deadline, one of which is: On April 22 2016 07:26 Tictock wrote: I got bad vibes from this lynch. Seems like it's gunna happen regardless and nobody agrees with my other reads so bleh. Maybe I'm wrong. *fingers crossed* Remember my analysis on HTS' EOD1 earlier. At 22:58 the vote was SL (3), FF (2), LS (2). At 23:09 it was SL (3) FF (3). Gumshoe hammered at 23:16 and then a bunch of people piled on late. TT watched a wagon build on one of his town reads, and the main / only competing wagon was one of his top scum reads, and someone he had thrown quite a lot of shade on (see #319 at 23:01 and #328 at 23:06). ALSO, and this is very important, his only scum read, Tumbleweed, was the FIRST onto FF at 22:49. TT then criticised gumshoe for getting onto the FF wagon at 23:22, saying it was "opportunistic". At both 23:26 and 23:29 he posts how he didn't like the lynch. TL;DR TT was present throughout the lynch, and chose to solo-wagon rather than voting FOR one of his scum reads (SL), in order to SAVE one of his town reads (FF), in circumstances where two of his top scum reads (TW and gum) were voting against his town read. The rest TT was unsure about DYH v GB, and eventually only got on DYH two minutes before deadline. I don't have a lot to say about that day really. TT was AFK for a lot ofit. His push on me is all wrong, and it's weird because it's like he went through what happened and ignored the context on everything. ?? TT doesn't have a big filter, but he does give a lot of reads. I follow his logic relatively well, and although he is dead wrong on me I haven't hated much of what he said. But what I do hate, I really hate. I think it's him. But I'm going to read GB and gumshoe now. | ||
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On April 28 2016 05:00 Koshi wrote: When you flip town we will obviously rethink things. Even with your recent posts you are the person who did the least work. And are the least townie overall. You are just the most logical lynch. Koshi. I beg you. Please think about this. I have played two scum games. Ask anyone - I was horrible. I had zero self confidence, I basically didn't interact with the thread for vast swathes of it. I was carried by my team both times. You might say 'well you've been rubbish this game'. True, to an extent, but at the totally different end of the spectrum. I've been all over the place, scum reading people then town reading people. ETC. That is the opposite of my super reactive scum meta. I did not need town cred at EOD2. Nobody apart from TT was on me. Nobody. Also, nobody apart from LS had said anything against DYH. The wagon would not have gotten going had I not got onto it. And DYH was the godfather. So if I was mafia I would have HAD to think that there was a decent chance of there being a cop who could just red check me. Of course I accept its possible it was a bus. If I was Damdred or ritoky or something, it could have been. This would have been my THIRD scum game. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/500060-newbie-student-mafia-xviii?user=Fidei86 This is my filter from SoTW 2. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494436-season-of-the-witch-2?user=Fidei86 Please look at them before you commit to voting for me. I really think it could be TT - him having made "good posts" does not and cannot make up for his extremely anti-town play at EOD1. | ||
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I am the Jailkeeper. I saved Damdred N1 (I got roleblocked) and Tumble N2. I saved Damdred right at the end of N1 - I was on HTS before that, because I figured she's strong town and a natural N1), but at the end I thought Damdred was a) more towny, b) more universally read as townie and therefore c) most likely to be the shot. I was fucking raging after Damdred flipped. I sent Artanis like three PMs yelling. I did not want to claim because we desperately need a save to get another mislynch and avoid 3v1 LYLO. The reason I've played like this is in large part because I thought that my killing DYH was SO TOWNIE that I might be the shot N3. And I really wanted to survive long enough to save TW. Obviously me drawing attention to myself worked too well. I am claiming now to give town enough time to find a new lynch. I think it should be TT. Can you please all now start thinking about the game rather than just waiving through this fucking mislynch on me. | ||
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On April 28 2016 05:31 Koshi wrote: So you saved Damdred and it didn't count? Really? Yeah. The last mafia is a roleblocker. | ||
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On April 28 2016 05:31 Koshi wrote: BLUES CLAIM NOW No. Please don't. We may have a cop. You presumably haven't claimed till now because you don't have a good check. Don't claim because you can be roleblocked. We may have a vet. The last mafia is a roleblocker, so can one shot you. We may have a medic. You can save tumble or me this evening. Obviously if you are the jailkeeper you should CC me. Koshi - there is no need for a mass claim now. If I make it to LYLO then the claims should come at that stage (or the flips will tell us blue status). | ||
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I am blue, but if I WASN'T then the CCs should come the day before LYLO, so town can lynch the competing claims. | ||
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There could absolutely be another blue. | ||
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On April 28 2016 06:15 GlowingBear wrote: Rofl You've called ME town the whole game and now that I called you Mafia you dropped your case on fidei and is gladly voting me It is TT, guys. There was, I don't know, A BLUE CLAIM BY HIS TARGET. Don't you think that changes things???????? | ||
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On April 28 2016 06:35 Koshi wrote: I am really sad Fidei is not mafia then. It fit so well. I am going to be really mad if there is only 1 fucking blue and this is a fakeclaim though. I am genuinely confused that fucking gumshoe is the only one who can see the f'ing blindingly obvious. | ||
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On April 28 2016 07:09 Koshi wrote: O rly. What a piece of shit are you. Fucking 0 impact player who wasted a blue role by claiming and was screaming to lynch town during EoD2. Yeah that time when I led a wagon on the godfather. Man, that was a town wagon. Not. | ||
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1. Yes I played badly. I struggled to make good reads on anyone. The funny thing is that I couldn't shake the feeling that TT/HTS/Koshi were all aligned, and yet they couldn't all be scum together. Their thought patterns were all basically identical. I should have realised they were town really. But yes. I was bad. Bad bad bad. 2. After we lynched DYH I was literally ecstatic. I've never seen a true bus, and I just couldn't conceive of anyone could think I was the lynch with three lynches to go. My play on D3 was basically "I literally cannot believe that anyone thinks I'm mafia. If you think I'm mafia, it means you must be mafia". Yes it was bad. But there it is. | ||
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I'm radiating contrition. | ||
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