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Fidei86
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My thoughts on the game so far: - Rayn's thread presence so far seems to be pretty standard for him. I've listened to him on voice play both sides, and when he's town he basically has this uncontrollable urge to solve the game just from the role setup alone. The way that he continued to batter at LS for his view on the martyr issue reminded me of town rayn in voice, which is basically "I'm right and if you don't understand then you're mafia". In my view he massively overreacted to LS's comments on the martyr (see his posts #100 and #115), but then he did basically the same in Newbie XIV on n00b and Bresh early on. - I think Lightning Strike is town, and I think the early push on him was suspect. I don't know how any of you can be surprised that LS says stuff that doesn't add up early on. He's done that in every game I've seen him in, and he's also basically like that in voice. The way that he responded to Rels at his post #362 (basically "I'm not talking to you any more") felt very genuine, and exactly how I'd expect angsty town LS to respond. - I think the person who comes out from the LS push looking the worst is TT. At his post #218 he basically says that LS is a "fine lynch", but his reasons are just re-hashes of what other people have posted earlier. He then takes it back at (#473) after others already had. I also think his town reads of Rayn, Rels and Vivax feel a little ... safe. I think thread sentiment is all pretty set on those three already, for pretty obvious reasons. When TT was mafia in HG he felt like he was always on the right side of every argument, and so far he reminds me of this. - Dandel Ion has been trolly thus far. Seriously, don't sign up for a game if you aren't going to take it even vaguely seriously. That stuff really, really, really irks me. It's all so Onegu-esque that it's tough to get a read on. Worthy policy lynch. - Damdred looks like he has been in other threads, but hasn't said anything since his thread entry, where he also sheeped the anti-LS sentiment (#121) but hasn't followed up at all. In my first game with Damdred, HG, he was town and he ran around all day like a man with his hair on fire, throwing accusations everywhere. In the last Gaiden he was mafia, and he basically just poked around all day, iirc (I obs'd that game). - Bill Murray's thread entry felt very off to me - he posted a town-read on rayn without any justification at all, and then said he "usually has something important going on" (#113). His later interactions feel a lot more fluid though, and I really like his read on TT (his thoughts are basically the same thing that I think a lot of people had in HG). - Rels looks towny insofar as his activity level goes, but he was also early on the LS 'wagon', although he didn't vote for it. I also don't like his TT read, and quite a lot of his activity seems responsive rather than pro-active, which is different from our last game together. Then again, that game (Personalities) was pretty weird and so IDK whether it's a reliable guide to someone's meta. I don't have a good handle on geript, TS (whose thread entry got a lot of talk, but which seemed pretty NAI to me) and FF. HTS is playing the same as the last two games we played together (when she was town). Her reason to scum me look genuine enough (if wrong, lol), and her read evolutions on LS and BM look natural. I think she's probably a town read, but I'm pretty sure when she does roll scum she'll fool me. | ||
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On September 16 2015 08:27 Half the Sky wrote: He explained he's not a fan of playing much D1. Did that factor into your scumread or are you just not buying that explanation period? Idk if that's even a good excuse though? Like, I'm not sure how much store to put by a purely 'emotion'-based scum read in forum Mafia, but at the same time I would say generally not wanting to play an entire day is pretty scummy. Thats what annoys me so much about certain players on this forum, they just coast through the early game and leave town basically fucked when it comes to trying to read them late game. | ||
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On September 16 2015 17:04 Tictock wrote: Fidei can you explain why you say this Why do you find the push to be suspect? Keep in mind people were pushing him as mafia when these were his only 2 posts: Two reasons: 1. (And this is likely to get the Rayn hate, but w/e) I actually understand where LS is coming from on this. I've never played this setup before, and Rayn comes in and says that there is only one correct way to play the martyr. I'm naturally suspicious of those sorts of claims - most roles in Mafia are nuanced enough to have multiple uses. If I'm the martyr here and, say, HTS or some other really strong town is the NK target, I probably think it's worth to sacrifice myself, because then they get another day. Particularly if the martyr honestly assesses themselves as a weak town player. 2. It's LS. Pretty much every game I've been in has had a wagon start on him (or ruxx pretending to be him) for appearing 'naive' or disagreeing with a strong town player. No offence LS, but you're probably the easiest ml out there. Jumping on him for a pretty innocuous question just seems really opportunistic. | ||
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On September 16 2015 20:19 Tictock wrote: Been mulling this over a little. I fail to see why this leads you to the conclusion that mafia was pushing LS. #1 Sure. If I recall correctly LS, geript, and myself all questioned what benefit there was in having Martyr claim. I think the question itself is pretty null. #2 If LS is pushed every-game then him being pushed this game shouldn't mean that much. It's weird to me that you looked at this push and seemed to conclude there was mafia involvement. I kinda thought the open LS made was pretty scummy in it of itself. An excuse and a townclaim, plus some "getting down to buisness" The question after was hardly any business. It wasn't the fact that he was being pushed I had an issue with, its more that there were people jumping on it after it had started. But yeah, I see your point re people always pushing LS early. I don't know how much you can put into openings, honestly. I mean, mine was "I'm busy" and then WOT, whereas lots of people come in with some variant of "I'm town". It was the push on him I found much more interesting than his opening, which was meh. | ||
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1. I've already said that thread entries are difficult to read, because everyone is in the same boat. I always struggle with them (although I usually have to make holding posts, given the games usually start after I've gone to bed). I just don't see what's scum indicative about saying what LS said, or at least, enough to make everyone actually start voting for him. Hell, in the newb game rayn tunnelled Bresh for a lot of d1 because of a comment he made about him and Yamato. If people want to give LS a slight scum lean for it, that's fine. And the pressure was helpful in getting LS to talk. 2. I just don't agree with this either, as it stands. It's easy to rack up the post count as either alignment. But I will agree with you that TT has picked it up a lot. Rayn seems to think his callback to Vivax was scummy, but I agree with Vivax - town look for allies whereas mafia are happy to let them lie fallow. So yes, I'm walking back my TT scum read, but not just because he is try harding. Unless that's what you were saying anyway. 3. In Personalities you basically did very little for the first couple of days, then took off like a rocket after D2 when there was that wagon on you. So maybe I'm just dinging you for being so active on D1, which, thinking about it, is a pretty lame reason to scum read someone. I need to read geript's filter before I end lunch. He certainly seems to playing very differently from personalities, but I'm fairly sure he was RPing most of the way through that. | ||
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- A weak push on LS - null reads on HTS and TS - pushing Dandel for inactivity. Not a lot to go on really. I'm struggling to remember the difference between geript and Palmar on voice - I think it was Palmar that is always really self-assured. Geript here seems to be struggling a bit to find his groove. He was very sure of most of his reads in personalities, but he could just be a bit disconnected, given his OOC stuff going on (which he claimed beforehand, so is NAI). | ||
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Get better soon HTS. | ||
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@Rels My only experience with BM is in voice and in games where he gets MLed d1. Off the cuff, he seems more active and chatty this time around. I'll check his filter when I get home. | ||
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On September 17 2015 05:27 LightningStrike wrote: Angel save assuming Vivax dies from the soup. Also I just checked the op about the timing of the lynch and it's 72 hour days so tomorrow is the deadline so that is a relief for me so I can be here tomorrow at deadline  @LS I'm pretty sure it's either or with the soup. | ||
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I didn't hear that one, lol. | ||
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