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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 25 2016 10:33 GMT
#2521
On April 16 2016 14:02 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2016 12:48 rsoultin wrote:
On April 16 2016 12:40 sicklucker wrote:
I dont lynch new players day one its bad etiquette


lynching superbia so that's not a problem ^^ unless you have an argument for onegu that isn't just policy? i think this is an okay lynch

at the very least we need to actually start discussing one cause we can't keep pretending that deadline will never come if we just ignore the game -_-


can we lynch them both? oh wait we can its called a vigalanty

SL wanting to lynch both Superbia & Onegu is pretty unlikely though. So unless Onegu is not scum, SL is unlikely scum. Or he hardbused from the beginning.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 25 2016 10:38 GMT
#2522
Oh yeah this is the first strong scum indicator for Tumble.
On April 16 2016 13:38 Tumblewood wrote:
I'm skeptical on your Superbia read, rsoul.

On April 16 2016 13:39 Tumblewood wrote:
And by that I mean your only evidence is Superbia saying "Hey I'm not going to be here" and then not being here. Attributing that to scum burnout is a huge conclusion-leap.

On April 16 2016 14:11 Tumblewood wrote:
where I'm at right now:

null
most people

don't want to lynch
gumshoe because innocent town
rels because actually trying
ows because actually trying
palmar because in Devil I lynched him day 1 and I never got to play with him

could lynch today
rsoul because all her answers are kind of meh
superbia because AFK; prefer vig shot

The guy is scumreading Superbia the most. BUT:
1 - he didn't vote him EOD1 to save himself
2 - he actually SCUMREAD rsoultin and attacked her for her read on Superbia, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE THE SAME READ, IE Superbia scum for not being active
Distancing with your partner without commiting to a vote and defending him at the same time right there.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 25 2016 10:41 GMT
#2523
On April 16 2016 21:26 Superbia wrote:
Onegu prob town based on one sample.

SL is right that this read makes no sense if Onegu is town. Onegu is a townie that you want mislynched, not pocketed. Partner indicator right there.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 25 2016 10:48 GMT
#2524
On April 25 2016 19:25 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2016 00:21 Palmar wrote:
I'm on page 10 but jat is town and rsoultin is mafia and I think we should murder her.

Show nested quote +
On April 16 2016 00:23 justanothertownie wrote:
Not even terribly opposed to that tbh.

Would even policy lynch her for the continued spanish thing.

SL talked about a "OK to lynch rsoul" thing linking Superbia, Onegu & Tumble a few pages back. I'm reading the game and I didn't see any of it at the moment, so it must have happened after these two posts from Palmar and JAT. It's very possible the scumteam saw Palmar & JAT being kinda OK with a rsoul lynch and trying to run with it.

Onegu never actually scumread rsoul for real. It was always a joke. He never actually gave a serious read on rsoul I think, which is pretty suspicious actually. He's always joking with her, so I suppose it means he townreads her all game, when he is apparently always wary of her when he's town.
On the other hand, Tumble & Superbia both scumread rsoul at some point D1, and both after Palmar screaming "rsoul scum" and JAT saying "I'm kinda OK with her lynch".
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 25 2016 10:57 GMT
#2525
LOL JAT it was you that said "Tumble slipped around midday and was townie after that" right ? It was actually less than 2 hours before deadline.
rsoul got Tumble to slip about a post that didn't exist:
On April 17 2016 05:12 rsoultin wrote:
no shut up guys seriously shut up lolol ><

tumble just said he wanted to force me to take a stance on someone based on a post i HADN'T EVEN POSTED YET

I also pressured him to see if he was talking about another post or if he really slipped:
On April 17 2016 05:31 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2016 05:28 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 17 2016 05:23 Rels wrote:
On April 17 2016 05:07 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 17 2016 04:43 rsoultin wrote:
yay town circle is here! \o/ even if i'm not really feeling a superbia lynch that much anymore lol ><

pues, actually, tumble, why did you want me to commit on fazer? like why, specifically, did you want me to commit on an obviously nai post from a brand new player?

I didn't think you actually thought that was alignment indicative, so your "OK to lynch him" felt off. Cleared it up though.

So the post in bold doesn't actually exist. So Tumble is claiming a reason that cannot be true. It's impossible for a townie to make up a reason for what he has done things. So he's scum.
Unless the post in bold actually exist.
Tumble I'm waiting for the source too.

It is actually not impossible at all. The question is how likely it is. But let's see his defense.

It's true that it is not impossible, fucking greymist did it once. But it is extremely unlikely. Townie CAN forget the reason they make a post, creating a false one is super unlikely though. Especially here, he clearly refers to a particular post that apparently doesn't exist.
But yeah maybe he refers to something else and this is not happening actually.

He admited the post didn't exist, and by extension that the reason he gave to explain his posting was made up:
On April 17 2016 05:39 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2016 05:37 Tumblewood wrote:
ok i am messing up in every way imaginable this game
i blame it on phoneposting and not rereading
and on trying to talk about things that happened a day ago that i don't really remember

Not believable.
##Vote Tumblewood

It was 1h30 before deadline. So all of you saying "Rels' vote was not justified" or "Rels' vote was midday, Tumble was townie after that", read before posting BS.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 25 2016 11:04 GMT
#2526
On April 17 2016 07:21 justanothertownie wrote:
Maybe the vig should shoot SL instead. Wouldn't be opposed to this at all.

Why did you want the vig to shoot SL instead of the useless Onegu / Fazers, like you said previously ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 25 2016 11:05 GMT
#2527
On April 17 2016 21:17 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2016 12:57 rsoultin wrote:
reminder to self: verify the sl post

palmar's EoD actually looks pretty decent to me after a review of his filter

On April 17 2016 07:14 Fazers wrote:
On April 17 2016 07:07 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 17 2016 07:06 Superbia wrote:
Meh. I'm VT too. =/

Should've lynched TW..

Vig shoot this guy.

SECONDED.


^ this from the guy who doesn't know what to do yada yada is just meh. looks overdone to me tbh. fazers, we don't get hints. some sites might. we don't. if i'm around long enough + Show Spoiler +
and i urge those of you still in the game to do so if i'm not
i will push for your lynch before mylo/lylo if you continue to refuse to participate

it's not about being right. i've said this several times to you. it's about giving us something to read you by. i'd like your best guesses at alignments and why before the night is over

bueno...that's it for tonight i think. reads post later after some more digging

Yeah, the Fazer guy needs to put out content asap. He has his flip, now it is time to do work. Maybe he should die in the night otherwise. Onegu is also still a good shot though.
Depending on some things shape may be scum and
and I give super a chance of at least 50 % to be mafia aswell.

NVM you actually called for Fazer / Onegu after that.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 25 2016 11:06 GMT
#2528
On April 17 2016 23:31 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2016 21:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On April 17 2016 21:17 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 17 2016 12:57 rsoultin wrote:
reminder to self: verify the sl post

palmar's EoD actually looks pretty decent to me after a review of his filter

On April 17 2016 07:14 Fazers wrote:
On April 17 2016 07:07 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 17 2016 07:06 Superbia wrote:
Meh. I'm VT too. =/

Should've lynched TW..

Vig shoot this guy.

SECONDED.


^ this from the guy who doesn't know what to do yada yada is just meh. looks overdone to me tbh. fazers, we don't get hints. some sites might. we don't. if i'm around long enough + Show Spoiler +
and i urge those of you still in the game to do so if i'm not
i will push for your lynch before mylo/lylo if you continue to refuse to participate

it's not about being right. i've said this several times to you. it's about giving us something to read you by. i'd like your best guesses at alignments and why before the night is over

bueno...that's it for tonight i think. reads post later after some more digging

Yeah, the Fazer guy needs to put out content asap. He has his flip, now it is time to do work. Maybe he should die in the night otherwise. Onegu is also still a good shot though.
Depending on some things shape may be scum and
and I give super a chance of at least 50 % to be mafia aswell.


I pretty much agree with all of this.

Me too. Onegu or Fazerz needs to die. Superbia's alignment will be proven one way or another before the end of the game.
Don't have any time today so hopefully I'm still alive tomorrow

I knew I also called for these shots.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 25 2016 11:08 GMT
#2529
On April 18 2016 03:28 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2016 07:06 Superbia wrote:
Meh. I'm VT too. =/

Should've lynched TW..



You all jumped on him for this post.


Show nested quote +
On April 17 2016 07:07 Superbia wrote:
On April 17 2016 07:07 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 17 2016 07:06 Superbia wrote:
Meh. I'm VT too. =/

Should've lynched TW..

Vig shoot this guy.


You're honestly the dumbest town player ever.



But this is a genuine scumslip. He tries to correct himself in the next post when he realized what he did but yeah scumslip.

This is never a scumslip. The only way it is a scumslip is if Onegu already knew Superbia was scum and used this to be right without finding arguments that makes Superbia actually scum. Like he's doing with Tumble right now BTW, scumreading Tumble because "SL & Rels are not together" instead of because "Tumble is scum for X Y and Z".
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 25 2016 11:17 GMT
#2530
On April 18 2016 05:37 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2016 05:23 rsoultin wrote:
On April 18 2016 05:12 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 18 2016 04:25 rsoultin wrote:
On April 18 2016 04:06 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 18 2016 03:24 rsoultin wrote:
On April 18 2016 01:57 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 17 2016 12:47 rsoultin wrote:
On April 17 2016 06:51 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 17 2016 06:46 rsoultin wrote:
[quote]

okay so let's play a game here

you want me to treat you as confirmed town until your flip, then i want you to treat me as confirmed town as well

give me your other reads, with reasoning, and what questions you want me to answer that i've asked you for like 5 times already if you really want me to answer them

jat is town
jas is ??? but should be more apparent after he says who he is; giving him BotD
superbia is maybe scum (i have no good reasons on this one)
palmar is null because he's not really out of his comfort zone
i want to call rels and gumshoe scummy but that's mostly omgus
sl is a 49 out of 100 on the mafia scale for being inactive and saaying one slightly scummy thing
gb is a 50 out of 100 on the mafia scale for being inactive and saying nothing
onegu is a 51 out of 100 on the mafia scale for being inactive and saying nothing of value
ows is town because i like how he continued to townread me
fazers is scummy but also new so maybe just a scrub

tbh my reads are all based on spidey senses right now



@tumble...super maybe scum=no vote as alternate wagon...gb exactly null=vote as alternate wagon

care to explain?

I was afraid of voting Superbia and him flipping green (not as a likelihood thing, but if he did I forecast my own mislynch for the next day). GB lynch happened at a point where several more townies had come out and defended me and attacked Superbia, so it felt, in a way, less risky.


-squints at- i don't really understand this explanation

what is the difference between you being lynched d1 or d2? until gb ninja-voted he was prob not getting lynched over super, yet you were still voting yourself because you were worried you'd be lynched d2 if super flipped town? so d1 is okay but not d2?

explain the bolded like i'm 5. what is the significance of when the gb lynch happened and how was that less risky?

Because at that point it was clear that voting a counterwagon was the difference between dying and surviving instead of dying d1 and dying d2.
Of course, it turned out GB would have died without my help, but it still seemed up in the air at the time.


why?

when superbia was the counterwagon i thought i would for sure be lynched at some point
when gb was the counterwagon it became apparent that maybe i wouldn't be lynched


okay, so honestly, you're just really confusing me here. like you're not making sense and my first instinct is that should be scum but i think even scum would make more sense here, so i must just not be understanding @.@

it's as simple as...the wagons are between super and myself. if i want to live i need to vote super

then

the wagons are between gb, super and myself. if i want to live i need to vote one of them

why would your scumread flipping town be worse than your null read flipping town?

nononono
when super was the counterwagon it wasn't "if i want to live i need to vote super", it was "if i don't vote super i die d1 if i vote super i die d2"
then everyone left super for gb and people simultaneously said that i was town, so it became "if i don't vote gb i die d1 if i vote gb i don't die"
like i got so entrenched in thinking i was going to die that i didn't even see superbia as a survival wagon, just a delay death wagon


This doesn't make any sense. You scumread Superbia and was null on GB. But you didn't vote Superbia to save yourself because "you would die D2 anyway if Superbia was lynched", but you voted GB to save yourself because "you wouldn't die D2 automatically if GB was lynched".
I cannot even comprehend what you are trying to say. This logic is so twisted.
I'm calling BS on this.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 25 2016 11:19 GMT
#2531
On April 18 2016 06:14 Tumblewood wrote:
where did the gb read come from though
there was no scumread at all until 5 minutes before deadline

Tumble once again attacking rsoultin, this time for something completely false since rsoul periodically talked about GB during the whole D1. It's not like he couldn't check that fact, this is during N1, he has all the time he wants to fact check his accusation.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 25 2016 11:21 GMT
#2532
On April 18 2016 07:04 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2016 07:03 gumshoe wrote:
I think I know what happened here, scum chose not to roll block super as he announced he was shooting palmer, so that means super is probs town vig / : or the actual vig shot the same target (more likely supers vig, seriously)


o.0 um...if scum shot fazers scum is retarded

we should start looking for the stupidest players in the game immediately

LOL I FOUND THE ORIGIN OF THE "SCUMTEAM IS DUMB" GUMSHOE THEORY
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
April 25 2016 11:23 GMT
#2533
On April 25 2016 20:08 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2016 03:28 Onegu wrote:
On April 17 2016 07:06 Superbia wrote:
Meh. I'm VT too. =/

Should've lynched TW..



You all jumped on him for this post.


On April 17 2016 07:07 Superbia wrote:
On April 17 2016 07:07 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 17 2016 07:06 Superbia wrote:
Meh. I'm VT too. =/

Should've lynched TW..

Vig shoot this guy.


You're honestly the dumbest town player ever.



But this is a genuine scumslip. He tries to correct himself in the next post when he realized what he did but yeah scumslip.

This is never a scumslip. The only way it is a scumslip is if Onegu already knew Superbia was scum and used this to be right without finding arguments that makes Superbia actually scum. Like he's doing with Tumble right now BTW, scumreading Tumble because "SL & Rels are not together" instead of because "Tumble is scum for X Y and Z".



Guess you dont know how to find scumslips then because that was 100% a scumslip.

And I now believe you are Tumbles partner. Thanks for letting me figure out the game.

Also you saying if I am town its my fault. You can go to hell. If you are town dont try to put all the blame on one player but it sounds like you are just making a cop out.
Try TL Mafia!!!
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 25 2016 11:31 GMT
#2534
On April 25 2016 20:23 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2016 20:08 Rels wrote:
On April 18 2016 03:28 Onegu wrote:
On April 17 2016 07:06 Superbia wrote:
Meh. I'm VT too. =/

Should've lynched TW..



You all jumped on him for this post.


On April 17 2016 07:07 Superbia wrote:
On April 17 2016 07:07 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 17 2016 07:06 Superbia wrote:
Meh. I'm VT too. =/

Should've lynched TW..

Vig shoot this guy.


You're honestly the dumbest town player ever.



But this is a genuine scumslip. He tries to correct himself in the next post when he realized what he did but yeah scumslip.

This is never a scumslip. The only way it is a scumslip is if Onegu already knew Superbia was scum and used this to be right without finding arguments that makes Superbia actually scum. Like he's doing with Tumble right now BTW, scumreading Tumble because "SL & Rels are not together" instead of because "Tumble is scum for X Y and Z".



Guess you dont know how to find scumslips then because that was 100% a scumslip.

And I now believe you are Tumbles partner. Thanks for letting me figure out the game.

Also you saying if I am town its my fault. You can go to hell. If you are town dont try to put all the blame on one player but it sounds like you are just making a cop out.

Explain exactly how is this a scumslip ? The quote is "You're honestly the dumbest town player ever." If Superbia is scum it's maybe a "JAT town spew" slip. If he's town it means he hard townreads JAT like a lot of people this game and is angry at him. It's impossible to know.
And a copout from what exactly ? I've been calling for Tumble / Onegu for quite some time. Sry if it hurts but you're on a GB-level performance if you're town. You are barely playing, and most of times only when you need it to not be killed.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 25 2016 11:33 GMT
#2535
Talking about GB's performance this particular game BTW, not as a whole.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
April 25 2016 11:40 GMT
#2536
He isnt making a read. He straight up says he is town. Then he realized it and corrected it in the very next post. The fact that he corrected himself is what really shows it was a slip.

And dont worry about playing.

Onegu out

Blame me all you want.
Try TL Mafia!!!
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
April 25 2016 11:44 GMT
#2537
My name is not Blurryface

Its FUCKING ONEGU
Try TL Mafia!!!
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 25 2016 11:45 GMT
#2538
On April 25 2016 20:40 Onegu wrote:
He isnt making a read. He straight up says he is town. Then he realized it and corrected it in the very next post. The fact that he corrected himself is what really shows it was a slip.

And dont worry about playing.

Onegu out

Blame me all you want.

This is so retarded that you are still basing your read on Superbia off this when there were a lot of other reasons Superbia was scum. I mean, he was so obv scum that he died without even being CCd.
And fucking martyring won't save you.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 25 2016 11:47 GMT
#2539
On April 19 2016 22:55 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2016 22:50 Rels wrote:
On April 19 2016 22:47 Onegu wrote:
On April 17 2016 07:07 Superbia wrote:
On April 17 2016 07:07 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 17 2016 07:06 Superbia wrote:
Meh. I'm VT too. =/

Should've lynched TW..

Vig shoot this guy.


You're honestly the dumbest town player ever.



Here he scumslips that JAT is town.

Frankly, no. At this point he has already claimed so he knows he will die before the end of the game. Anything at all he said after his claim is WIFOM, and actually he probably tried to put his team in a better position for after he's dead, like Kurumi did last game.



Show nested quote +
On April 17 2016 07:06 Superbia wrote:
Meh. I'm VT too. =/

Should've lynched TW..



This is his post right before. Like and all he said was he was a PR before that but wouldnt say what it was then he made that post where he claims vt. So no it does matter...

If sub flips scum I will never vote JAT.

LOL JAT has been town spewed by both Onegu and Superbia. No way JAT is partner with the both of them.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 25 2016 11:57 GMT
#2540
On April 20 2016 23:58 rsoultin wrote:
also, just for the record, in regards to tumble

i understand why some might think he could be town here, and i'm not saying that i don't have any doubts. i do. he busted his balls eod d1 and some of that looked townie. some of it looked more like he was spinning his wheels since he just asked a lot of questions and didn't really try to direct the lynch anywhere

basically what it comes down to me is the bare bones stuff that should never come from town
- lying about why he said something
- refusing to vote a scumread to save himself but then voting a nullread to save himself
- reads not being informed by new info

i'll sit there and go...that kinda sounded townie, like his exchange with gum, or well you know odd that he's trying that hard and martyring for super if they're scum together even if super is rb, and the doubts will creep in

but especially that second point is just impossible for me to get past. town doesn't do that. knowing super was rb...scum definitely could. town wouldn't. and i can't let that slide and then eat crow end-game just cause sometimes he "feels" townie

besides which...super's play looked like burn-out. he looked like an rsoul in the storm game, who still felt too guilty to not even try (doc claim, palmar push) but had trouble motivating himself anyway. rsoul played kamikaze rsoul cause of shape and kuri, and intended to dance on the lynch platform as long as possible. super hoped town would let him slide and tried to get a doc cc...if his scum team was composed of people completely not trying i don't know that he would have even done that much

so i'm not saying that this CONFIRMS tw scum, but i am saying super's play doesn't make tw town at all. it's hard playing consecutive anti-town roles even for those of us who push through anyway lol ><

(and no this is not me trying to beat a dead horse, this is me trying to convince anyone who isn't yet convinced that we absolutely need to lynch tw next phase. if i die and you don't and he turns out to be scum i will be very angry! and if you just want to get me to stop harping on it >> that's an okay reason to get behind the lynch too lol)

On April 21 2016 00:31 rsoultin wrote:
rels is more his filter just looks like a town filter lol the fluidity of reads changing with new info is there, the willingness to say he's wrong about things instead of dig in his heels, and the probing into a lot of different things in a way that to me at least looks more like trying to figure out thought process and intentions (i.e. alignments) rather than just going on the attack. yet he's still aggressive so it doesn't look too blendy

^ definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me

tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me

Wow rsoul's N2 posts are way more detailed that I remembered. People going for the Onegu / Rels theory really needs to explain why I would kill rsoul when she hard townreads me and scumreads Tumble. Then shut the fuck up when they realize they can't explain it. Really, if you couldn't care to read these two walls, these two quotes are enough:

and no this is not me trying to beat a dead horse, this is me trying to convince anyone who isn't yet convinced that we absolutely need to lynch tw next phase. if i die and you don't and he turns out to be scum i will be very angry!


definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me

tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me
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