EPTTL Mafia LXXIV: Storm Mafia 3 - Page 185
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well i mean, we allegedly have 3 claimed vigis, 1 claimed doctor, and 1 claimed vet all alive, with 3 dead blues correct? 1st, please examine that....8 town PRs in 21 man game? someone is full of shit or the mafia team has some op as fuck powers. but i guess moreso i don't suspect there will be any more blues, have the blues claim their names and have everyone else go on record claiming VT and lynch them if they say otherwise. it will limit the range in which mafia can play. also i don't think we lose anything because i don't think there are any more PRs that haven't claimed, and if there are then wtf.... | ||
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![[image loading]](http://images.says.com/processor/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fscreencrush.com%2Ffiles%2F2013%2F08%2Farmyofdarkness-quotes-buckle-up.gif&size=800x%3E) A ride to tinfoil Town that is. I have reason to believe that Kuru is mafia based off TT's filter and how Kuru responded to some things. This is not for the faint of heart, As i just had a stroke of Brilliance! Brilliance I say! First off lets look at this post, i felt that this was a bit off considering how it nailed TT and Rsoul to a extent (on how she played D1) with the inactivity. On March 25 2016 21:55 Kurumi wrote: I have a feeling that Mafia is playing a Lurker city type of game so far. VA's post rubbed me totally the wrong way, given that he was in the thread and failed to make any contributions and now he declared he's afk till D2. He did not even vote.... Still don't like sicklucker (gut tells me so, he seems to be apathetic about the game) and Tubesock's gameplay so far has been iffy. "Alright, so what?" I hear you people asking. He could of just been true and that should be no reason to scum read him shape. Well, i say to you, STFU and wait for the presentation to be over. Ok so that shows that Kuru thinks that lurking people are scummy. Can't get much simpler then that. A idea reinforce via his vote on tube. But guess who else were Lurking at that time, TT. TT was lurking so hard that he didn't even vote. More on that later though because there is another thing i want to look at from D1 first, Rsoul vote on Kuru. On March 26 2016 01:06 rsoultin wrote: okay, i've given him enough time. rit's more scum, but y'all are awful and i'm almost as sure on kuru lol >< really fake-seeming rage + misrepresentation + no scumreads other than OMGUS...just poofing ##vote kurumi We know that Rsoul is: A) She was Scum, Why is this important here? Becuase that means as scum and being sus. already, a counter wagon survival vote would of raise red flags for her. She had to find someone else to vote for. Here comes Kuru, her partner, who is in no danger of being lynched that day. So, because of that and because of him posting and being in her mind + she thinking that he would be a safe vote to waste on. Voted him so if she flipped (which was likely going through her mind too btw) Kuru would at least look towny. B) It doesn't add up. Think about it, Kuru wasn't really even a lynch for her. Rsoul was wanting to lynch what, me, tumble rik and someone else and about in that order (rik tumble me.) Random vote on Kuru doesn't make since. So it really feels to me that her vote was a vote trying to get cred for Scum!Kuru. Moving on to N1. The fact that he shot. Why is this relevant you ask? Well first off, STFU like i told you, the presention is not done yet. But here is why. Someone is going to come up to me and say, "But shape what about this vig thing with Kuru. do you blah blah blah" Well I really can not believe i am dumb and miss this. But it does not make sense for Kuru to shoot, AT ALL that night. On March 24 2016 23:02 Kurumi wrote: Oh and hold your KP horses, because hard setups mean lots of KP flying around. Or just any ways for a single player to kill someone else. We have our double lynch D1 alright... So I am to believe that Town!Vigkuru, wanted to shoot Koshi after posting this bit of info about how we need to limit our KP?
It does not make sense at all. Period. He shouldn't have shot if he was actually town here. No way in hell he should. I can not believe we fucking have been talking like idiots about which claim is legit and NO ONE, Even I, Saw this. Wow. Wow. Lets move on to D2. Remember TT and what i said about him? Him lurking and therefore should be a number one candidate for Kuru? Now I ask you, who the fuck did he vote for Day 2 hmm? Koshi. Read this: On March 29 2016 05:08 Kurumi wrote: Okay, so obviously I voted Koshi. I guess no additional comments are needed from me on this topic. I hated the sicklucker/rsoultin exchange and sicklucker spam, jesus christ, what was that? I think JAT, Superbia, Dam, Shape, LS and sandroba are OK. Ticktock has said he believes rso on the basis of crumbs, but has for some reason not seen me crumbing Koshi as someone I want dead since the very first post (also, the rendez-vous part...) so I have no idea what the hell happened there. I have no idea why VA pops in just to propose Tumble as a lynch without pushing him hard enough given the time we have left. OBS is sceptic enough for me to believe he is on the town side. Scum list: Koshi rsoultin ritoky VA/Ticktock Ritoky is too apathetic and my old reasons still are here, as for his question: you'd like to know what happened to my bullet, friend. You'd like to. I believe sandroba's claim, I believe that Slam is Town, rso could be a fifth party planar dragon for all I care. Any questions? On March 29 2016 05:33 Kurumi wrote: I have played a scum game where there was agreed that two players are going to go against each other's throats from the get go. Don't remember which, but I think it had geript it in. It's not unusual for scum to pick two players to have polarizing plays. It is not unusual for the third member to sling some shit at one of them, especially so effortlessly (Koshi). The common thing between my suspects is: - No cases being done - Reasoning weak, wrong or invalid - Bad thread presence - When they have time they waste it on squabbles and pushing reads contrary to everything is happening Tick made no case, says rso is town based on crumbs but misses my crumbs, came late to the thread, has no thread presence, RSO made no cases, bar maybe ritoky, where she says that he is scum because HE BOTCHES HIS OWN PLAN not because the plan is better for scum than for town, she disappeared for D1, not really active now, her vote is on me, AGAIN, rit himself made the shitty plan and then disappeared and made no contributions and now you're here for no cases, for a contrary opinion and instead of pushing it hard, you are here to discuss my scum list somehow not being good enough. Come on. And when the seeds of a Lurkerish lynch (tumble) and ideas of shenngians onto TT arise. What does he say? On March 29 2016 06:28 Kurumi wrote: The fact the guy I shot, losing my bullet, is slowly not getting lynched starts to question my ability to understand human behaviour. WHY? WHY does he have a fucking prob. with the Tumble lynch? Hell why does he have a prob. with any of the lurker wagons is crazy to me becuase it goes against his logic. Hell, He should of been fucking fine with ALL The lynches D2 due to his scum list INCULDING all of them. He should of been "well 2 of them are my mafia team and one is lurkish, i am fine with this lynch and i think we going to strike mafia here." Instead he is against anything other than a KOSHI wagon. That alone is sus. Now lets look at TT. Now look at TT reads. On March 27 2016 20:00 Tictock wrote: Finished reading up till EoD. This vote is really odd as a final count, both Rsoul and Tube voting Kuru and everyone piled on them... could be a TvT. I think one of Kuru or Rsoul is probably scum though. Reads at this point: VayneAuthority - Null - + Show Spoiler + Drops a half assed read on Rsoul #547, pretty much only thing he's firm about and leaves. Could be townie not giving a fuck or scum dropping a vote and outing. Kurumi - Scum lean - + Show Spoiler + #216 kinda an odd open, he really just rambles about a couple of different people in one post; Gum pointed out this interesting bit in #268; #305 alot more rambling and the conclusion that gum is for sure scum feels kinda over the top; #495 stopped reading after the "bollocks I was really wrong, I really was too harsh" reaction to gum flipping town; #870 kinda like this post, feels genuine... could prob come from scum though; #1008 actually like this response; #1071 really weak vote, opportunistic and rife with omgus; WoT's feely rambling like they have no read drive/motivation behind them, reads seem kinda weak and opportunistic for how much he likes to write Stutters695 - Turns out was a blue... Damdred - mild scum lean - + Show Spoiler + #166 decent post, shows critical thought and is pushing for info; #300 decent reads, disagree about Vivax and LS though; #379 mimics Jat in making the "sensible statement here" also the snap defense of LS feels off even if he's townreading him; #1264 don't like this vote, #959 pile of garbage that boils down to "don't lynch me, I'm a good player!"; #1055 says he likes this post from Tube but in #1264 he plops his vote on Tube with no real explanation (actually never did find much about his Tube read rechecking his filter) Weird vote on Tube, not explained and he had recently quoted a post he liked, a few townie posts but nothing I haven't seen Damdred do as scum before sandroba - town - + Show Spoiler + #966 felt same way about SL's gum vote; #967 weird he doesn't know gum got shot; all in all the thought dumb from #966 to 972 feels pretty towny; Feels alot like sandroba from last game ObiWanShinobi - town lean -+ Show Spoiler + #957 and #1000 seems like Obi is being fairly forward with his thoughts Koshi - town - + Show Spoiler + Easiest read in the game, I have posts noted for him but why bother... Rels - town lean - + Show Spoiler + #439-440 jumps in with stuff on his mind; #537 exactly my thought; #1280 I like this catch; I read Rels by the way he pushes on people and things, as scum he tends to nitpick and will overpush little things, here he feels level headed and his pushes are more questioning than vindictive. I also doubt a scum!Rels would say I could be town for being afk. justanothertownie - town lean - + Show Spoiler + #348 feels like an odd open, the way he defends Rit while dismissing his plan suggests he has a strong town read on rit; #544 & # 557 are both solid posts from Jat, I like how he's applying critical thinking but not being quick to conclusions Can't recall if I've actually played with JAT before so not sure what his scum range is, but he is probably town from the way he is processing things ritoky - slight scum lean - + Show Spoiler + The whole VT claim, fishing, w/e thing seems off to me. It's not so much that Rit played it so poorly, but that he put so much focus on it. I found one LS read from him early on I liked, #285, but otherwise his first page (actually a large part) of filter is all about his brilliant play. #816 also shows that Rit knew there was a chance his play might never even work (he knows that Scum QT's are often provided with fake claim info). #827 claims to give no fucks, but 832 keeps defending his plan and telling people it was good seems like he gives several fucks. It's like Rit knows his plan didn't work, played it bad, but is really concerned that people know it was done with pure intentions. I'm just not feeling like Rit's actions match what he claims he was doing here. #798 is a pretty weak read on Super imo, I wouldn't put that past a scum!super at all. Posts like #404 is more what I'd expect from town!Rit, simple to the point reads. sicklucker - Town lean - + Show Spoiler + #162 feels like a bit of a hop on vote; So not much really stood out to me from SL, but he's not giving a shit how he comes off to people and I can see the reasoning behind his pushes pretty clearly. Hard to explain but he feels town Alakaslam - Scum - + Show Spoiler + I really disliked Slams reactions after his shot went off, he pushes blame off on others, some of his explanation on the shot seems convoluted, and he basically fucked off after defending himself. I'm not seeing anything he's done to contribute to this game. #137 right off the bat this feels odd, it's quite clear what koshi is doing with that (reffering to his list postings); #363 says he would have shot Rsoul; #409 now suggests he's rethinking and must sleep on it?; #655 says everyone being butthurt makes him not want to cooperate, but everything he's done has been acting on his own thus far... Slam hasn't even given reads; #678 says he considered shooting Kuru or Gum, went with gum kus of bad meta useage (as in gum was sorta scum reading slam); #844 says he was agreeing with Kuru and shot Gum, then suggests he's mad he's getting the blame; #1140 the timeline in this is wrong, Slam says he thought about retracting the shot before bed, woke up thinking about it, then remembered his original reason for scum reading gum... how did he forget why he wanted to shoot gum in all the "thinking" time he had? It's really weird how Slam says he was both considering shooting Kuru but agreeing with him on gum at the same time. He also never mentions his thought about shooting Rsoul after the shot goes off, there is too much not making sense to me here, besides the fact that slam shot a fairly active person so early with so little thought given Tumblewood - Null/slight town lean - + Show Spoiler + #278 tumble's open, it adds nothing and look terrible... probably town; #286 another post that does little to impact the game, fits with town meta #329 feels like Tumble is setting up blame for a town flip from gum rather than looking for voting modivations; #670 really doesn't make sense, especially why he is SURE slam is town here I'd prob put Tumble down as town for meta, but that's not a great town read Shapelog - Null - + Show Spoiler + #181 post mirrors my thinking; #187 reads seem weird, not sure why he's TRing slam; #283 I dont get this post, it's a wierd response to LS; #623 feels really wishywashy to me, like he's really avoiding coming to conclusions; #711 this focus on VA seems odd when there are multiple people, like myself, who are not really playing, shape himself has pointed us out #716 maybe just a little too eager to please & respond? Shape's overall tone and attitude gives me a town feel, but his reads feel a little off to me and he's being kinda wishywashy while focusing on weird things. Vivax - Town - + Show Spoiler + I like this style of play from vivax, it screams town to me. #262 I like this "fuck off let me do my thing" attitude coupled with promising to behave, plus I like his points; #324 huge stream of thought type post, unlikely from mafia; #634 yea, never lynch vivax rsoultin - Scum lean - + Show Spoiler + #327 open post that tries to talk about a ton, but says nothing; #331 is a bad post, it says nothing while implying people are scum, it's also a surface reaction which shows no effort in reading tumble; #1017 this tunnel on Rit feels a little forced, even though I agree he's sus; #1019 these "I'm not the lynch" style posts feel so blah to me, #1117 weird vote given how focused she's been on Rit, also unsure where this read on Kuru comes from kinda like #353 and #358 is the sorta attitude you get from a town not giving a fuck While I have a similar suspiscion of Rit, Rsoul doesn't seem to be willing to look at Rit possibly being town while asking others to do the same for herself. Combined with her sudden burst of activity when she was being voted on, and her odd vote while semi-giving up pushing Rit, I'm having a hard time seeing Rsoul as town. LightningStrike - scum lean - + Show Spoiler + #172-173 kinda odd how defensive of Slam he is being, especially give gum wasn't really pushing slam; #196 Promising to check things and taking a lot of middle of the road stances; #277 omgus feels out of place, #279 he is over-defensive over something simple; #534 feels a little opportunistic, #891 really good non-answer... ; I know LS has something of a reputation of being lynchbait, but I'm not getting much from him that suggests he's trying to solve the game here. I only recall him posting some town and null reads, never got the sense that he has scum reads Superbia - Town - + Show Spoiler + #135 half joking/half down to buisness; #174 not sure where this TR on slam comes from; #192 good points, also adds to my own thoughts about #187; #242 strong post, gives me strong town feels; #501 - 505 love this train of thought breaking down the gum wagon Attitutde & tone feels town, paranoid about people town reading him, probably has done the most to try to sovle the game Hmm, doesn't it seems a tad odd, that Rsoul and Kuru are scum in his book, AND Kuru mentions something about Scum trying to throw shit on one of them? Not only that but TT later on drops his sus. on fucking Rsoul and picks on Kuru.
Doesn't that sound a lot like what kuru said about how he finds scum to interact? It really does. Not only that, but TT also was a fanatic supporter of the Koshi Wagon. On March 29 2016 06:06 Tictock wrote: Well yea, I want to wait till last min to vote Koshi. It would look weird if I vote my townread this early. I'd actually preffer to lynch Slam and maybe Kuru, but neither of those are gunna happen. So I'm debating between Tumble and Rsoul. Right now I'm not sure I see Tumble being scum, but I also gave him a pass way too easily last game so I want to get caught up and filter him before I vote. I'm also not sure why you are so tunneled on me, you just think I'm trying to mimic your afk style of scum play? Kus you know, I've seen that work WONDERS for you... FOR NO REASON. KOSHI WAS FUCKING TOWN IN HIS FIRST READ LIST. Suddenly Kuru push gains traction and apperently TT, a flipped mafia doctor, fucking backtracks like the dickens to support this? When he could of voted tumble and prob. get away with it? It all fits together, TT's weird decision to hammer vote Koshi. Why Kuru claim was weird given everything that happen. Rsoul vote on him. Why Kuru did not shoot into lurkers and voted koshi instead of a lurker. But maybe you are saying to me, ![[image loading]](http://img.pandawhale.com/147741-weird-al-seems-a-little-crazy-1ucJ.gif) Well first, good, you put your tinfoil hat on. But does it actually seem crazy? Does it actually seem out of place? It fits way to much together for it to be crazy or wrong IMO. It feels legit. No one else fits like this with TT and Rsoul like Kuru does. At least IMO. Kuru is scum. And we should lynch him. ##:Vote Kurumi Presentation over. #getrektscum TLDR for lazy folks:
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On March 31 2016 06:50 Koshi wrote: and if I am allowed to continue the tinfoil. (the above is not tinfoil but actually possible but therefore not the truth, however, I will predict it as the truth and believe it as if God himself would have told me) Maybe there are indeed 2 mafia teams. a "rebel" team and an unknown team, each 3 people strong. The team who lost 2 members for sure don't have kurumi in it. That's why he got pushed SO FUCKING HARD before he even claimed the shot. If I had to guess either Rels or VA is in the other team. Superbia might have bussed. Well I am not completely out of that yet. I wonder if the rebel team got an avenger like Sandroba, and shot 2 townies while the unknown team shot rsoultin. ahhh. pretty cool stuff. Probably fiction. But how cool does it sound? Didn't you read where Kuru laid out how he thinks mafia would do things. They scum read him He scum read them back Rsoul focused on throwing dirt on Kuru while doing things that would lead to him being town once she flipped. Pure brillance. | ||
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idk how it would apply to another member though. That is the only thing i am not sure yet. | ||
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On March 31 2016 07:03 Koshi wrote: Oh tumble. tumble is mafia and slipped. That guy actually made 2 fucking mafia teams in 1 post. Holy shit, You may be onto something if these team things are true. Thing is I still think tumble is town, but you could be right. Idk, until we get some hard confirm that Teams are in here, it seems a bit WIFOMy | ||
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On March 31 2016 07:19 ritoky wrote: i don't understand that case. How? IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE! | ||
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how exactly does mafia rsoul electing to not vote on her counter-wagon but instead vote on a completely different person equate to kurumi is scum partners? if anything it just shows that rsoul learned 1 of my tactics as scum. i guess she afk'd immediately after rather than push it, but i'll take her word (even as flipped scum) that irl got in the way and made her miss the deadline. so point 1 makes no sense to me because i just don't see how you get from a to b. re point 2: firstly "hold your kp horses" reads more as "get ready everyone, there's about to be tons of kp" more than "ppl shouldn't use their kp. i think you misread. and i believe he had 3 strong mafia reads: me, rsoul, and koshi; and he shot 1...why is this mafia? he shot the person he thought was mafia over a lurker he didn't feel as strongly about, therefore mafia? don't get it either. re point 3: this point is okay, i can somewhat understand it; but i think the more important thing you didn't talk about is that he wants to lynch koshi because he shot koshi, koshi didn't die, and he does not believe koshi was doc saved; which isn't unreasonable (also has it been explained how koshi didn't die?), but then doesn't push incredibly hard for the lynch and then whines when it doesn't materialize. that's the better point imo. re point 4: this one i get the least....that reads more as TT wanting to have kuru as a ML candidate than anything to do with partners. you're gonna have to try and explain that one way more clearly. i mean i know i shouldn't respond to this before kuru, but that case really doesn't make much sense to me at all. | ||
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On March 31 2016 07:26 Koshi wrote: Congratz Shapelog. That is the best case I read in 2015 and 2016. I will nominate it later. That is actually a piece of pure brilliance. It has everything. ... why am i getting the vibes that this is a secret attempt to buddy me even though i TR you.... On March 31 2016 07:35 ritoky wrote: re point 1: how exactly does mafia rsoul electing to not vote on her counter-wagon but instead vote on a completely different person equate to kurumi is scum partners? if anything it just shows that rsoul learned 1 of my tactics as scum. i guess she afk'd immediately after rather than push it, but i'll take her word (even as flipped scum) that irl got in the way and made her miss the deadline. so point 1 makes no sense to me because i just don't see how you get from a to b. re point 2: firstly "hold your kp horses" reads more as "get ready everyone, there's about to be tons of kp" more than "ppl shouldn't use their kp. i think you misread. and i believe he had 3 strong mafia reads: me, rsoul, and koshi; and he shot 1...why is this mafia? he shot the person he thought was mafia over a lurker he didn't feel as strongly about, therefore mafia? don't get it either. re point 3: this point is okay, i can somewhat understand it; but i think the more important thing you didn't talk about is that he wants to lynch koshi because he shot koshi, koshi didn't die, and he does not believe koshi was doc saved; which isn't unreasonable (also has it been explained how koshi didn't die?), but then doesn't push incredibly hard for the lynch and then whines when it doesn't materialize. that's the better point imo. re point 4: this one i get the least....that reads more as TT wanting to have kuru as a ML candidate than anything to do with partners. you're gonna have to try and explain that one way more clearly. i mean i know i shouldn't respond to this before kuru, but that case really doesn't make much sense to me at all. 1: She wouldn't want to vote her counter wagon because that would look like a survival vote. Hell ion devil she went after me after i voted for the counterwagon as town so i am sure she knows that it looks sus. Plus, the vote was in her favor at the time IIRC (4 vs 1) so why not get the extra cred for your teammate, which is a easy thing to do when you know/think A) the general population of voters would not vote Kuru due to them townreading him and B) because that push was easy to play and leave at the time. Idk understand why you are trusting a scummers word about it (and in fact i forgot about that and that is even more sus.) at all. 2. I find that hard to believe (and think i read that correctly) since that post was made in responds to the D1 shot from Slam. The idea is that if he was town vig! not only would that post be weird but also contradicting. As for the Target, look at Sand, he was as we know a vig. He had sus. on Rsoul and who did he shoot? a lurker. Kuru should of not only done the same because he said scum was playing the lurking game, but also because (And i just now getting this) that that is the best play for town, to elemate a heavy lurker like TT/Stutter/VA. 3. Yeah, I should of put the last line in as well. 4. TT had Kuru as scum and Koshi as town. Wagons then are 4-4-4 each, TT, who scummed Kuru and Town read Koshi goes "going to wait last min to vote Koshi due to it looking weird for me to vote my earliest town read" And then TT votes for tumble (a person he had as town side of null). He backtracked and was willing to vote Kuru wagon and be the hammer vote if necessary. | ||
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