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keanuisgod
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On February 10 2016 08:24 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: I will be smurf hunting primarily and scum hunting secondarily. Bring it on! ![[image loading]](http://kepfeltoltes.hu/140118/torp_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.png) | ||
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On February 10 2016 08:35 Wartrukk wrote: Fecalfeast has canada on his profile so you calling it 'the US' leads me to believe you're from europe. I'm thinking scum Hey, there's no need to insult Russia like that! On February 10 2016 08:35 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: I thought about it more. More likely you are Ticktock. keanuisgod has a funny handle and has already posted a relevant and funny image. So I guess keanuisgod is actually ritoky. How do we know you are NOT actually Ticktock or Fecalfest, accusing others of being them just to get the scent off you? I'm watching you closely ...  | ||
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On February 10 2016 10:30 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: I said my secondary objective was to find scum, didn't I? Yeah you're right. For instance, my first objective is to chew bubblegum, and my second objective is to find scum... and I'm all out of bubblegum ... oh wait I have one piece left, nevermind. | ||
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 On February 10 2016 10:40 Wartrukk wrote: So saying you're going to out smurfs, I say I think that's scummy (I still do) and after you go about trying to out smurfs you come back to my post and say "Joke phase lol" Yeah, I'm the one fabricating reads, right? I can see trying to out smurfs as a "Palmar-like" plan. After all, meta analysis is a (useful) tool town uses pretty often, and to do that you need to know who you are talking to. For example, if you can figure out an inactive lurker is actually a vet, you'd likely change your stance on him, comparing to you not knowing who he is. These kind of plans aren't usually "scummy" nor "townie" (though there are some exceptions); they just are, specially in games with special characteristics that allow these kind of plans to emerge (like themed games) Though I guess it kind of fights against the fun of this kind of game (i.e nobody knowing each other at all throughout all game, allowing shenanigans to happen). Anyways, this seems like usual D1 shitfest OMGUSing, which is pretty neutral shit (i.e not scummy nor townie). | ||
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On February 10 2016 10:42 Bhaal LoM wrote: Who is this mortal named fecalfeast? I never heard of him honestly. This is fecalfeast ![[image loading]](http://orig07.deviantart.net/eec3/f/2014/121/1/b/__every_time_a_smurf_toots______by_kiss_the_iconist-d7gpid8.png) | ||
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On February 10 2016 11:30 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN DOING..... Seriously ritoky, what is the motivation behind this post? You want to sound smart with your little lectures that DONT EVEN MAKE SENSE? (AFK vets...WAT??) You want to provide Wartrukk an out from my pressure? Maybe buddy him? Maybe protect your scumbud? What's your angle, pal? I ... I just wanted to contribute to the current thread situation, posting what I believed made the most sense ;_; ![[image loading]](http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/smurfsfanon/images/7/7d/Weepy_Fanfiction.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20120103110642) But srs, dunno, do whatever you want. I believe the juicy D1 will start after this "fight" is settled and the other 5-6 people chime in, there's no hurry. | ||
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Of the remaining three that were (somewhat) actively posting (NNN, Warty and saita), for now their conversations felt like regular D1 banter, though some things they did/said can be taken notice for later in the day (to see how they follow up with them). Being active right off the bat in D1 is a plus too, at least if that motivation/activity is followed up in the rest of the game (another thing to take notice of). And then there's me, a poor little townie trying to make a living in this new smurf world. | ||
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On February 10 2016 19:51 unholyflare wrote: I don't make anything of the arguments that have gone on. I'll return later in case something interesting happened. Weirdly this does seem to be the default for many people here (maybe myself included). Slow day, huh? Maybe we should start posting plans to random lynch to get the spark going  | ||
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On February 10 2016 22:51 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: keanuisgod Why would scum want to smurfhunt in their QT? If I was scum I'd like to know who some of the players are, to better gauge how to react to them, to see if they will be a threat, etc (e.g if it's a vet, or someone that's known to be strong as town and'd be a danger in later cycles, etc). Is this a preliminary townread of myself, Wart and Saita? If it is, why not just say that plainly? I thought doing so would be unnecessary at this point in the game (and D1). But yes, I personally find this kind of attitude in D1 townie. I.e starting to be active right off the bat of the game, throwing around "bad" accusations (without caring how it makes you look like in the thread), etc. | ||
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On February 11 2016 01:14 Valdiano wrote: so there's a few things I don't like about this reading your filter or that I don't understand. You are discussing the effects of nnn's scumhunting in this first quote but you are dismissing it as banter. what makes you think this presumably isn't alignment indicative? I presume you mean "smurfhunting" there. Making "plans" or "plays" like these are, IMO, indeed D1 banter, and happen in many games. Rarely have I seen a game where one of these kind of discussions/plans results in anything alignment indicative. Townies could post it because they believe in it or want to stir up discussion, scummers could post them for "free posts". This includes this specific "smurfhunting" situation. Down the line, both later in this day and later in the game, they will be irrelevant, so I don't really bother paying much attention to them. It's true that there may be some hidden motivations for some of these type of plans in some games that may merit analysis and may give you indications of town or scum motivation ... but it's not really that strong so I think it's better to put effort somewhere else. | ||
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On February 11 2016 01:35 Bhaal LoM wrote: I actually liking you Vald and might give you a pass for now. I think smurf hunting isn't really useful myself because it will distract us for trying to find scum. You have any specific thoughts on what Vald posted? | ||
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Don't really have much to add, but while we're waiting for some people to respond and start posting content might as well add comments about some people: Initially I was somewhat torn over Valdi's initial posts, in the sense that he may have tried to put a "wall of soft reads" and then leave making it seem like he's contributing, but on second read his 1st post seems quite strong, so I'm leaning slightly town on him based on feels (though I really want to keep him as null in case my first hunch was right). On February 11 2016 05:33 Wartrukk wrote: Saitama had a weird early game and I had him as leanscum last night but I haven't read too closely the 30 or so posts from last night. Adding to this, saitama appeared in the thread with a seemingly aggressive presence that I initially found scummy (as in "this is what an active scum would act"), but he's been having the same consistent behavior throughout the rest of his posts, even when talking about different topics ("how TL scumhunts", "the smurf things", etc), so it feels more genuine (e.g a scum would be more focused on having his aggressiveness disrupt the thread. It may be just his playstyle though and be NAI, but for now he's slightly townie for me. Bhaal lom is still in my leanscum pile I wonder if it's for the same reason I have him as scummy too ... though in retrospect the reason may be a little flimsy (so I'd better wait for him to come and post something first) Also saita, you have to vote in the voting thread too. | ||
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On February 11 2016 07:47 saitamaofonepunch wrote: What, being a smurf and unable to fall back on some meta got everyone scared? It's kind of good in that the thread is not being subjected to spam, but there comes a point where as scum I'd totally be lurking right now. I think there's not much we can do now but try engaging in conversation with the current active players. saita, what are your thoughts on: Warty and Bhaal? I have to add on Warty, that on top of the "slight town" feeling I mentioned before, his "half-assed" semi-reads seem to mirror my half-assed semi-reads (except NNN I suppose), which in this abyss of content we call "thread" seems like a good sign (in the "it feels like a fellow townie" deal). | ||
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On February 11 2016 08:30 Bhaal LoM wrote: kean you want to talk with me you said? You mentioned feeling good about Valdi, so I wanted to know what you thought about what he posted. There's also been a bunch of slight town and scum reads floating around, so you could comment on those, or on anything else you find worthy | ||
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... are you from Japan? | ||
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On February 11 2016 09:00 Bhaal LoM wrote: I honestly not played a game since about I 2013 to be honest lol. Had the meta change on how to play the game? Yes. In today's TL, the meta is that you are supposed to find scum and post scumreads in the thread, Unbelievable, I know, but wat u gonna do? | ||
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On February 11 2016 08:37 Bhaal LoM wrote: I am quite sad that no one is around when I am around  On February 11 2016 09:00 Bhaal LoM wrote: I honestly not played a game since about I 2013 to be honest lol. Had the meta change on how to play the game? I'm not sure if posts like this show a poor lost townie out of his depth, or scum faking being "innocent and naive" to forgo posting actual content. I'll just be straight with my suspicions here: Bhaal came to the thread roleplaying in a fun and seemingly confident manner, but as soon as he stopped roleplaying he turned into a mess: On February 10 2016 23:17 Bhaal LoM wrote: Okay enough roleplaying for me it time to be a little bit more serious(If you don't know my name is from you prob never played Baldur's Gate or Baldur's Gate 2). To answer your question nnn: I was wanting to see if kean can read more into stuff than I could because I sometimes can't read into properly exp when I am tired >.< Also I wanted to see his thoughts at the time given the low activity of the thread >.> This post is ripe with excuses ("I sometimes can't read into properly when I'm tired") and all the smileys lke ">.<" and ">.>" which serve little purpose other than appear like an innocent playful townie. It also shows an unnatural fear to respond a normal question saita asked him (like saita asked everybody). The reaction is odd and scummy On February 10 2016 13:47 Bhaal LoM wrote: Good now tell me who you think could be a child of mine(scum) and why? On February 10 2016 14:11 Bhaal LoM wrote: Fair enough Mortal but considering the fact this game is rather slow paced atm because no one is really posting and I more of a analytical God when it comes to finding my children(scum). When more mortals enter the thread/talk more I will try to find my children(scum). If this helps their name is Imoen and Sarevok. The response he gave saita about why he pressured me doesn't seem to make much sense with what he actually posted. When I noticed his question, I got the feeling he wanted me to post some content and reads. His response seemed to confirm this, with the "Fair enough Mortal" (making it seem he was satisfied with my response). But later in his response to saita he says he only asked my for my reads so he could piggybank them since he "can't read properly when he's tired"? But what about "being the analytical God when it comes to find scum"? Was that a lie that only existed in "role-playing-mode"? I said previously this scumread was flimsy BECAUSE of the roleplay. Maybe, for some reason, town Bhaal got all confident and funny and stuff and acted like that, but when he stopped roleplaying the situation overwhelmed him or something and this is how he normally plays. But it still feels weird. He keeps apologizing (here) and just throwing casual "cheery" posts. Yet he has actually to post any actual content at all, even when asked by many people. Might as well start somewhere, fuck it #Vote: Bhaal LoM P.S: I'm not really confident in this read, mainly because I have a gut feeling in my stomach that Bhaal is just clueless town and this is all a misunderstanding, and also I'm a little pussy and I don't want to commit to a 100% scum read this early into the day. But whatever, we have to start somewhere and this is the best lead I've got, after the 3 inactive dudes | ||
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You may disagree with my decision of placing a vote based on what I said, but it does not mean it comes from scum | ||
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On February 11 2016 10:27 saitamaofonepunch wrote: If your read is strong enough to vote on, and bhaal has not defended any of those points, why are you leaving yourself a bunch of back doors? Concerns before a vote are totally ok. Concerns in the case are just what scum do. I was trying to hold on to these suspicions until Bhaal actually posted something, but with his refusal to do so I couldn't really wait. The "concerns" I post in the case are these concerns that made me wary of posting anything before. Anyways, call them "backdoors" if you want, but those are my actual concerns regarding Bhaal's alignment, which may disappear or grow stronger depending on what happens from now on. Basically my head tells me Bhaal is scum but my heart tells me he's town. I feel the suspicions were enough to post them, and I placed a vote to get the ball rolling since votes are what count over here. No one said I "had to vote", but nobody said I had to "not" vote either. On February 11 2016 10:29 saitamaofonepunch wrote: In other words, due to your creating outs for yourself, you look like an opportunistic scum that just found the first low hanging fruit of the day. I don't care how it looks. I care about transparency in motivations and actions, and I won't hide them just because they may feel "scummy". In the end that's what will actually matter when trying to make people trust that I'm town and listen to what I have to say | ||
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On February 11 2016 10:40 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: I'm voting with keanu. His case on bhaal isn't bad, and it's certainly not scummy. I find his confession that he's not certain in the read simply honest. Bhaal is gone all day, says he has to catch up, then has nothing to say about anything except when prompted by keanu. He wants someone to interact with him because he is having trouble generating his own content. What about Warty? | ||
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Anyways, I'll just go wait then. The case on Bhaal is not really something he can "defend" and is not based on something we can "push" on him. We still have a third of the game lurking too | ||
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On February 11 2016 11:12 saitamaofonepunch wrote: Like it is implied that you aren't sure, right? So why waste the space? I can't see a town motive for it even though I see the reason. However I can see a scum motive for it, yet people do things for reasons too. I guess it depends on the player. Some players start tunneling someone on D1 and "are" convinced the other is scum. Sure, they may always think "Well, this is D1 so he might actually be town", but regarding their motivation for lynching someone it doesn't really apply, i.e they will gladly lynch that person if the day just happened to end right at that moment. Since this isn't that case exactly, I felt it necessary to point it out. I always found that "tunneling" mechanic weird, in a philosophical sense. How can you push the lynch for someone, specially on D1, with so little knowledge? How can you be sure he's scum? How can you make your posts reflect this? Should you convince yourself that you are sure he's scum, just so your posts reflect that and you can get the lynch more smoothly? Or do you keep the doubt (that he might be town) in your heart, and in the thread pretend you are really sure? If you post your doubts and concerns then people will jump at you and said lynch may not go through (or they may FOS you). However, if you "lie", then the lynch might go through without a hitch. But ... aren't you lying to yourself there? If the dude actually flips town, wouldn't you have wanted someone to confirm your concerns so you wouldn't have lynch a townie? How can you live with the guilt in that case? Even in the case the dude flips scum, how can you take this risk, every single game, where at some point he might flip town and you'll have to face this guilt eventually? What is it that you ought to do? Mafia is hard yo On February 11 2016 11:14 saitamaofonepunch wrote: He can defend by picking it up and consolidating posts. Or, barring that, simply waiting for a better target to come up. I meant he couldn't really do a point-by-point defense of every point in my case, since he basically admitted to not being sure and not scumhunting and not being a "town leader" and whatever | ||
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On February 11 2016 19:45 GargamelxD wrote: And Bhaals opinion of him doesnt make any sense (his opinion of me and not-opinion on rom). what he said about me he could say about rom and yet he thinks im more likely mafia. so i guess after realizing that im willing to vote both, and its not LS Actually what he said about you could also be said about unholy, not Gold On February 11 2016 14:10 Bhaal LoM wrote: Like if any of the lurkers are scum prob is Gargame I didn't care for this post from him: He didn't try to analyze anything at all and he havne't posted anything since that post and it kind of worrisome. But his other content seems meh. Idk if it warrants a vote because sometimes townies are well lurkers. On February 10 2016 19:51 unholyflare wrote: I don't make anything of the arguments that have gone on. I'll return later in case something interesting happened. Bhaal, why be suspicious of Garga and not unholy when they basically made the same exact post (which made you find Garga suspicious)? @Garga: Your focus right now is on the "relative" lurkers. What about the more active players? Is there some active scum running around we can't seem to notice? | ||
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Notes on Bhaal: 1 - He had a bandwagon against him (3 votes, with 5 necessary to lynch). Yet he kept the same exact attitude and posting behavior. He didn't panic, didn't try to plead or act differently in an unnatural way (e.g instantly trying to FOS someone) 2 - On February 11 2016 12:46 Bhaal LoM wrote: Man when I around no one is around jesus..... Anyways like I said I think Sait is town and vald as town despite the fact Sait is voting me. On February 11 2016 12:49 Bhaal LoM wrote: nnn is null because I dislike his smurf hunting over scum hunting but his content otherwsie was okay. War seems townie too I think he was attacking nnn hard on his smurf hunting stuff. He's the leading bandwagon and he can only muster town/null reads? Other than me/NNN he basically called every "active" people town, giving himself no outs in terms of dropping suspicion off him. He only ended up with scum between lurkers after pondering, which he did follow up later, but not much. As scum, he'd be actively trying NOT to put pressure off him, as the leading lynch. If not, at least he'd be showing some kind of panic or fear, which he didn't. 3 - If he is indeed "helpess town", I guess it makes sense. This D1 is slow in content and activity, we acknowledge that and he does too. Based on this and town reading some people, if he was town there wouldn't be much he could be doing to gain new reads, other than interacting in the thread posting his thought process and doubts, which is what he's been doing. Bhaal came out better from this so far. Heart wins this battle then #Unvote I'm not ready to bandwagon on Gold yet. Unholy may have had the "nicer" posts, but that doesn't exempt him from being mafia trying to blend in, rather than mafia trying to shit the thread (which is what you guys are accusing Gold of). | ||
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On February 11 2016 23:53 Valdiano wrote: alright, placing my vote on Gold for now, afk. Thoughts on the (until some time ago) leading lynch, Bhaal? Until now I've developed a town read on saita based on his interactions with me. From my POV, his FOS of me and subsequent town read on me felt natural, at least based on how I think he'd be reacting to my responses and such. For instance, we know he's being kind of an ass in that "lecturing" manner from early D1, getting all up in your ass and shit. Him doing that with the "scumtell" from my case and calling me out felt natural in that sense. After explaning myself it made sense for him to back down too. I'll have to check him again though now that you guys put the doubt out there. On February 12 2016 00:03 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: But due to how active and vocal he's being, I think that he's probably a good lynch today. "But due to how active and vocal he's being" would indicate you NOT thinking he's a probable lynch. I presume this is a typo then? Or do you think he should be today's lynch? | ||
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Anyways, I'll mention that in 2 hours I'll leave and won't be back before deadline. Don't really want to lynch an inactive on D1, hopefully things pick up by then | ||
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##Vote: 77GoldROM Only realistic lynch target at this very moment, and I'm leaving in 15 minutes | ||
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In fact, Gold's inactivity seems consistent with his "I don't give a shit" character, while it seems stranger unholy would go AFK when he got into the game with guns blazing, making it seem he was interested in the game (or appeared to be so): On February 10 2016 19:47 unholyflare wrote: I don't understand how you or anyone can believe this. If, somehow, we know the identities of all/most of the people in the game, it would be easier to scumhunt. I think you're pretty suspicious for this as it suggests you have something to hide. Other than those two, the more the day goes on the more Wartoks' inactivity starts to rub me the wrong (scummy) way. I believe saita and NNN to be town (saita for reasons started before, NNN for the initial read I had, and ... well the buddy buddy thing going on recently which gives me good vibes). Valdi seems okay, I like the "I'm posting threads as I read the game" attitude (since scum are more likely to read the whole thread first before posting reads so they can plan their agenda). Garga is 100% null and I can't be confident in lynching nor defending him in a D1 like this. I've already spoken about Bhaal. So yeah, amazing D1 (/s). See ya PRE-EDIT: Oh, Warty posted. Whatever I already have this post typed up | ||
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On February 12 2016 09:06 Onegu wrote: Bhall LoM has been modkilled as VT Well ... one of my (late) reads was right at least | ||
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On February 12 2016 07:39 Wartrukk wrote: Wow this wagon looks like trash On February 12 2016 07:41 Wartrukk wrote: Scumtama and lying LS on the same wagon on a lurker. Wowie On February 12 2016 07:53 Wartrukk wrote: Deadline is now, isn't it? I'm voting saitama i have real reasons but am still busy. It's really nice to come back to activity 1-2 hours before the lynch and shout how the "wagon looks like trash" isn't it? It's also really nice to vote right at the last moment to someone who is OBVIOUSLY not getting lynched and making no effort to try to get him lynched It also isn't suspicious at all to vote someone completely unrelated to the lynch and wait until the last second (when you KNOW your vote doesn't count and thus you can't be held accountable for anything) by just saying "I have real reasons but am still busy" Anyways, we know Bhaal is town now, so please explain your read on him. These are your only posts about him On February 11 2016 05:33 Wartrukk wrote: Bhaal lom is still in my leanscum pile. On February 12 2016 06:20 Wartrukk wrote: Why did halo lamb get a free pass? Halo lamb types a lot like LS, to contradict my early game and smurfhunt On February 12 2016 07:41 Wartrukk wrote: Scumtama and lying LS on the same wagon on a lurker. Wowie Why exactly was he in your "leanscum" pile? What does the "lying LS" thing have to do with anything? Did you even pay attention to my case on him and the later change of heart of many people in the thread about him? | ||
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On February 12 2016 10:16 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: Why would LS pretend to be a newb who hasn't played since 2013... Dunno, but at least it's proof the "smurfhunting" thing will undoubtedly be useless On February 12 2016 10:20 saitamaofonepunch wrote: Wartrukk is scum. Lynch tomorrow. I'm feeling like this now too. Right now my "naughty smurf" pile is Warty/iamrobik/Garga. Let's see how it evolves from here, specially since the night is dark and full of terrors, so anything can happen | ||
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On February 12 2016 14:59 Wartrukk wrote: lol nice omgus this is funny. ... how can it be OMGUS if you never accused me of anything ... ![[image loading]](http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/smurfsfanon/images/8/88/Panicky_Smurf_Glovey_Story.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/200?cb=20130729184250) | ||
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On February 12 2016 21:29 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: When wartrukk came into the thread, the 77goldrom lynch was inevitable. Why does it matter who he voted? Who he voted was obv not getting lynched, but 77 was just as obv getting lynched. So youre pushing him on something he couldn't control. From what I remember Wartruk was posting and stuff when I left, and I think before saitama and Bhaal have made their votes (thus it'd be 4 votes on Gold by then). Either way, him making sporadic posts here and there but not following up what town is doing (like ... lynching someone, and having a previous wagon on Bhaal too) is scummy to me. Wasting your vote, depending on the situation is scummy too ... and I believe this is one of those situations. | ||
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On February 12 2016 22:26 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: So you are calling him scummy for not pushing his lynch harder. That's all I see in this argument. Because at the point in time when he said 'this wagon sucks" and threw his vote away, there was nothing he could do. It's not fair to criticize him for his actions at that point. How could he have NOT wasted his vote?? His scumreads look fine to me. Bhaal was straight up lying about his real identity. He was acting like a newb who hadn't played since 2013. He was pretty clearly LS who is not a newb and has played many games since 2013. I see a lot of scum motivation behind pretending you're a newb when you're not. The point is what he HAS NOT done up until that point. He proved his activity throughout the day by making some (irregular) posts here and there. Yes, if THE ONLY thing he had done in the day is appear 15 minutes before the deadline, there would not be much to do. But he had like 24 hours instead (let's say, between where the "Joking" and "No Content" phase ended and when D1 ended). If I disagree with a wagon, I have an alternative candidate, and I am active 2 hours before deadline I'd try to push said lynch throughout that time. But well, whatever, agree to disagree, at least for the moment. | ||
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On February 12 2016 00:24 GargamelxD wrote: im sure who valdiano is but might be a pro impostor, kinda doubt it though. the player is town I'm kind of interested in Garga's smurfhunting here though. You make a town read on Valdi based on smurhunting, and a seemingly strong one to boot. Care to tell us who you think Valdiano is, and why that makes him town? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On February 11 2016 01:02 Valdiano wrote: this post is difficult to understand. if I understand it correctly this is a bad post. On February 11 2016 01:14 Valdiano wrote: so there's a few things I don't like about this reading your filter or that I don't understand. You are discussing the effects of nnn's scumhunting in this first quote but you are dismissing it as banter. what makes you think this presumably isn't alignment indicative? On February 11 2016 23:19 Valdiano wrote: on page 11, looking at the so-called lurker filters as well. can someone help me with understanding saita's posts or does anyone else think they might be scummy? first, I read the keanu case and saita's reactions to it on page 11. first, like a few people said, honestly for day 1 play, I saw keanu's case as furthering discussion, which is a towny trait. nothing inherently scummy about presenting the ideas and wanting to get more information out of a player who has given him some doubt for his alignment. also was explicitly stated "best lead I've got." I look at saita's subsequent posts discussing backdoors. If town discusses the case and decide it's not worth merit, that's great, you can always drop it. pushing a case beyond reasonable discussion I'd say is scummy but that's not what I saw happening here. his posts bottom of page 10/top page 11 made it look to me like he was trying to push that unreasonably. also why it is impossible for good towns to possibly be wrong on "bad towns"? it seems like he (saita) was completely excluding that possibility. then in post 204 he's saying he cannot see a town motive for it yet he sees the reason (it could be town???) I'm still struggling to find how saita is making that case sound like it's exclusively scummy when it's clear he's trying to at least get a reaction from his target that will clarify things. to me, saita just looks bad. am I missing something here? post 204/206 seem to be addressing completely conflicting points - even suggesting that Keanu is town, he's suggesting he's wasting space or still questioning why he has to explicitly state that, as if doing so was scummy. On February 11 2016 23:24 Valdiano wrote: another point that I feel needs some clarification - this sounds like mindmeld to me, which people from their perspective, view as towny, so why is he still null? just wondering. also if you can further discuss saita, that might be great. he's the one active player I'm having difficulty understanding. On February 11 2016 01:06 Valdiano wrote: doublechecked saita's filter to make sure I didn't miss anything from conversation but there's nothing alignment indicative from it that could have applied to that last post. although I do get an impression of posting just to post, reading his filter. there were opportunities I think in 1-2 posts where he could have taken a stance on nnn/war going to say a scumlean for now. Can you give us the evolution of your read on saitama? Throughout D1 you make comments about him, ask him questions, keep sayin you "can't understand him", but you drop the "going to say a scumlean for now" read in the middle, which feels out of place, since the rest of your posts seem to indicate you actually being null on him. | ||
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But as for your question specifically (without the meta stuff), no, I don't really see it. | ||
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If we are still on the "lt's shit on Valdi a little bit", I found it somewhat scummy that he didn't really interact much with the thread. He kind of just came to the thread, dumped all his reads and "attempts at understanding" and then just waited, ocassionally responding to someone about saita and stuff. Didn't see him engaged with the thread at all (like Bhaal was for instance). That's the same feeling I get from Warty too. For instance, Garga doesn't give me that feeling for exmaple (he felt engaged in the thread for a while), though in Garga's case I'm not sure if it gives him town points, but rather makes it NAI. I find lack of engagement with the thread pretty indicative of scum | ||
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I get the feeling he's too confrontational and "in-your-face" to be scum, but based on PoE he's up there, at least considering the facts (the vote on a lurker without many other contributions regarding scum, etc) | ||
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On January 27 2016 06:46 Onegu wrote: Activity: You must post in this thread once per day/night cycle and vote every day while you are alive. If you fail to do so, you will be modkilled. If you are town better not get modkilled Valdi | ||
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On February 13 2016 06:15 Wartrukk wrote: I can't believe every time i get town I get swamped witg work stuff. Have you figured out valdi's identity, NNN, or is there a case on him that i skipped? Who is iwasrobik is that another replace? Pfff do like me and sneak in here while in work every 10 minutes lol | ||
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I feel I got better at that this game | ||
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Better post something before night is over. Who knows, scum might shoot you and we need your valuable insight amiright? | ||
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On February 13 2016 06:36 Iwasrobik wrote: Good timing keanu ^^ I think you're scum though. You're actually my strongest scumread, maybe something will change my mind during the posts I didn't read but I doubt it Trololol this is gonna be fun | ||
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Anyways, robik's case must be pretty long since he hasn't posted yet. Better sharpen my attorney skills ![[image loading]](http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/b/b2/Gargamel.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20061120063324) | ||
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On February 13 2016 08:24 Wartrukk wrote: Reading the thread is for nerds We are dudes playing a game of mafia every single day in a Starcraft forum. We ARE nerds, you included, so get going with that thread-reading | ||
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On February 13 2016 08:31 Iwasrobik wrote: Seemed obvious to me, you were the obvious prot and saitama was also very likely town. Right prot too, I would have raged if you died. You seem pretty sure about that. Do you have any info we don't? I would have raged if you died Nice to see you got invested in the game that fast. Hopefully it continues | ||
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On February 13 2016 09:07 Iwasrobik wrote: Either call me scum or don't. If you do, explain why I posted these as scum. This kind of attacks don't help solve the game. I won't call you anything until you've finished reading the thread and doing what you are going to do As for the specific comment, it makes it seem like you know more than you should. At least considering this is your first "real" entrance into the game, so things being "obvious" and "I would have raged if X had died" feel totally out of place. | ||
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Well, you can still answer my question about Bhaal from the previous night. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for the whole "acting like you don't give a shit" thing from late-D1 for now, at least until D2 consolidates with Gargal/robik/Valdi showing up (I'm very interested to see what happens with these 3 this day) | ||
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On February 13 2016 10:15 Iwasrobik wrote: Kaenu is scum because: His early game. Almost only jokes, which is only a smaaaaall scum indicator. Scum indicator nonetheless 'cause stuff was happening, namely kush publicly saying he was smurfhunting (small town indicator for driving discussion + being in the spotlight) and wartruk attacking him for that (good town indicator for attacking the loudest guy in the thread). Even if you disagree with my conclusions, the info was there to make serious posts. But kaenu made jokes AND these two posts: Nothing was said in this post. It's only fluff that appears townie, at a time when kaenu probably felt the need to post something serious but didn't want to take position. You are right, it was fluff. So? And this post, which call kush scum without calling him scum for an extremely bad reason. What makes you believe I implied kush was scum? I implied kush's smurfhunting abilities were bad Might as well come forth with that, in the sense that I don't want NNN to believe I'm 100% someone and then make decisions off me based on that when it (may) not be true at all. Hope hosts don't smite me (perhaps)Two things. First, this read is plagued with maybes and doubtfulness. Kaenu absolutely doesn't believe in his case, but voted anyway because "fuck it". You got that right Second, the reasonning as to why LS could be scum COULD BE APPLIED TO KAENU HIMSELF. When he said LS kept throwing "cheery" posts, KAENU KEPT THROWING JOKING POST. This is the worst: Read the above carefully and compare with this kaenu post: Yep. Kaenu did exactly what he scumread LS for doing. I'll let you reread those posts and see if you notice the difference yourself Here, I'll even show both posts so you can spot the difference more easily: On February 10 2016 23:17 Bhaal LoM wrote: Okay enough roleplaying for me it time to be a little bit more serious(If you don't know my name is from you prob never played Baldur's Gate or Baldur's Gate 2). To answer your question nnn: I was wanting to see if kean can read more into stuff than I could because I sometimes can't read into properly exp when I am tired >.< Also I wanted to see his thoughts at the time given the low activity of the thread >.> On February 10 2016 11:46 keanuisgod wrote: I ... I just wanted to contribute to the current thread situation, posting what I believed made the most sense ;_; But srs, dunno, do whatever you want. I believe the juicy D1 will start after this "fight" is settled and the other 5-6 people chime in, there's no hurry. Read the above carefully | ||
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Dont really want to say hes scum for FOSing me and make it bad OMGUS or make it appear like im some arrogant dick ... but dunno I feel like im very protown this game so I find it hard to believe someone would find me as "obvious scum". Few people had open discussions about me after the Bhaal case so maybe Im misguided, dunno what you believe. | ||
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Though to be honest i really thought robik would vote me lol. Maybe its misddirection whatever | ||
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On February 13 2016 04:36 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: Yes. It is suspicious how he showed up right after bhaal mentioned him, deflected onto 77, then fucked off. But I don't see him as especially scummy actually. He had solid points against 77. Awkward opening, bad vt claim, late to the party, etc. Plus you can't really fault someone for a lurker lynch.. It's a very weak read. Hopefully garg gives us more content to judge him off of. Wat changed yor mind? | ||
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On February 13 2016 10:20 Iwasrobik wrote: To finish quickly before leaving: kush is town 'cause he is the the main force behind discussion in this game. Also, considering I'm in a competition with NNN for most try-hard townie this game, this breaks my heart ;_; | ||
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On February 13 2016 16:34 Iwasrobik wrote: Lol. You're just so useless. You're almost never calling people scum when you're maybe he longest filter in the game. Like for me, you ddint comment on ANYTHING except my read on you, and only AFTER kush asked you to, when I've posted my thoughts on everyone in the game. So by symmetry, this means you are the towniest town that has ever towned because the first thing you did when coming into the thread is accuse me? I've made my point about being "decisive" about one's reads on someone and how to present them to the thread before. I prefer the more honest way of playing in which I have high or low suspicions of people and act accordingly, and not faking "being sure" someone is scum just because it's some hidden requirement to be "super townie" (unless of course I am really sure someone is scum). If you want me to be explicit then yes I'm highly suspicious of you now (both from PoE and your play so far) Like for me, you ddint comment on ANYTHING except my read on you, and only AFTER kush asked you to ... Well yeah, NNN asked me about you like minutes after I got into the thread. Also that's not technically true (I made a comment about your "obvious medic save" thingy). ... when I've posted my thoughts on everyone in the game If I find something interesting in those posts of yours then I'll surely point them out. Since I haven't (so far) then I didn't. I don't think you remember that you only have like 10 posts in this game so far | ||
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Your only points are: - "Fluff" posts and "He's not trying to solve the game" attitude when it was like 2-4 hours into D1, conveniently ignoring anything else from late-D1 (where shit actually matters). - The Bhaal case, which also had an illogical point (the last one). I can't really call you out on you thinking that about me because of the Bhaal case since you weren't there in the thread when it happened (though I guess you can still reread the thread carefully to figure things out). So I'll ignore that (other than the bad point you made). I advise you to reread that part of the thread carefully. - Don't call too many people scum. I can see how you may think this might be "scummy" in isolation, but context is everything so I believe just reading the thread and my filter would dissipate any doubts regarding this point. Either way, your case is too weak for me to be convinced that you are actually THAT convinced by it that I'm the remaining scum. Though from your POV the only possible scum (other than Valdi apparently) are me, Garga or Warty .... still, I find it hard to believe the points you made implicate me that strongly when not even Garga and Warty are strong town reads of yours On February 13 2016 10:20 Iwasrobik wrote: To finish quickly before leaving: kush is town 'cause he is the the main force behind discussion in this game, and scum has an hard time doing that; and kush is a pretty lazy scum. You know NNN's smurf? | ||
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On February 13 2016 16:34 Iwasrobik wrote: What do you think of Vlad ? I'm on the fence right now. His soft stance and fixation on saitama is too weird (in the "appearing I'm contributing when I'm not" sense). He showed up like 2 times in the thread to dump a bunch of posts and "attempts to understand things", but he didn't at any point interact with the thread, which I find scummy. But he has some very town-like features (like the "posting reads as I read the thread" attitude, some good points I believe he made in some posts, maybe some of the phrasing or content he posted at times felt genuine). Those are enough for me to give him the benefit of the doubt until he shows up, or I reread things and come to better conclusions. The "he didn't scumhunt much" I don't want to put much weight on since at the time in D1 NOTHING was happening and everybody was null. Remember it took me posting the Bhaal case for things to actually get going, and then everything was still in that "meh nobody is scummy" limbo that forced people to lynch an inactive. | ||
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On February 13 2016 23:07 GargamelxD wrote: the nk does implicate wartrukk, saitama wasnt really the shining beacon of townieness to warrant being NKd, so i suppose it was cause of his reads.. valdiano is hts and town imo. I think I implicated suspicion on Wartuk on N1 far better than saitama. If the point of the NK was because of reads on a scum Warty, why not shoot me? Saitama's posts about Warty on N1: + Show Spoiler + On February 12 2016 10:20 saitamaofonepunch wrote: Wartrukk is scum. Lynch tomorrow. On February 12 2016 13:47 saitamaofonepunch wrote: My PoE says wartrukk and then garg. Barring that I'd have to say I am wrong and that's why I am so hesitant to give reads. On February 12 2016 15:26 saitamaofonepunch wrote: Your thinking I scumread you for omgus is like your having thought that with nnn Compare to what I posted about him on N1: + Show Spoiler + On February 12 2016 10:03 keanuisgod wrote: It's really nice to come back to activity 1-2 hours before the lynch and shout how the "wagon looks like trash" isn't it? It's also really nice to vote right at the last moment to someone who is OBVIOUSLY not getting lynched and making no effort to try to get him lynched It also isn't suspicious at all to vote someone completely unrelated to the lynch and wait until the last second (when you KNOW your vote doesn't count and thus you can't be held accountable for anything) by just saying "I have real reasons but am still busy" Anyways, we know Bhaal is town now, so please explain your read on him. These are your only posts about him Why exactly was he in your "leanscum" pile? What does the "lying LS" thing have to do with anything? Did you even pay attention to my case on him and the later change of heart of many people in the thread about him? Saitama said "Warty is scum based on PoE, but I may be wrong so I'm hesitant to give out reads". You think that is enough to implicate Warty? | ||
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What is your thought process regarding who the remaining scumteam is, and who we should lynch today? You two haven't made much comment on that so far, other than with soft stuff like "The NK implicates Warty" and stuff. Here's mine: So Garga+Warty+robik+Valdi are in my PoE list. Last night I thought Warty+robik would be a possible team, but NNN's insistence otherwise gave me some doubts. I reread Warty and I still think his "bad D1 smurhunting shenanigans" felt more likely coming from town. His "I'm tired" kind of posts felt somewhat genuine too. Garga is null and I don't really find scummy vibes from him so Garga+Warty are in the "Standby" pile. NNN seemed (at least in N1) convinced robik+Valdi was the team, so based on the above this wouldn't seem like a bad team for me to focus on. Regarding Valdi he "makes sense" as the remaining scum if I picture it in terms of PoE (him being low-key so far, not contributing much, bla bla). In terms of suspicion alone though, I am not very confident in him being scum (like I mentioned above) so he's in the "Meeeeeeh" pile. Regarding robik, he just came into the game so it'd be hard to gauge alignment just on a couple of posts. However, I'm getting strong suspicions on him being scum. His demeanor sticks out in a weird manner, since he JUST came into the game and is acting like he solved everything and he caught the scumteam and has NO doubts whatsoever about anything .... when it's MYLO. I'd presume he'd be MORE confused than us in this game since he missed D1 and a lot of stuff, not that he'd be more confident than ANY of us. Also, if I assume he's town the way he made his reads feels weird. Like, Garga and Warty seem "likely town so I'll leave them alone" (which to be honest is somewhat what I did with the "Standby" pile up there). So from his POV the ONLY thing left is accuse me of being scum (assuming NNN is town and scum have no way of believably go against him). His case is bad, the way he approached his read on me is weird too. It feels like the only reason he's FOSing me is because of PoE, not because he thinks I'm scum in an independent manner. From my POV, if Garga and Warty are still in that Standby(me)/Likely town(robik) pile, then it doesn't make sense for robik to go after me with such conviction instead of taking a step back and figure out if his actual (admitted by him as not strong) reads on Garga and Warty. This makes perfect sense if he's scum and found some "scummy" posts of mine to scapegoat while not wanting to go against the flow and accuse someone of Garga/Warty. If he's scum with Valdi then Gargy/Warty/me(obs) are all town so he HAS to pick one to scapegoat, and apparently I have the scummiest posts. He could also be scum with one of Gargy/Warty so in that case he'd obviously have some agenda (not to push his buddy for instance). Also I had my (very small) suspicions of unholy back on D1 (which I think I already posted), so it doesn't feel out of place for robik to be scum (considering unholy). So all in all, I'm getting more confident in a robik lynch, with Valdi being "Meeeeh" there, and then Gargy and Warty on the Standby pile. I want Valdi to come here and see where this shtick goes to see if he should be today's lynch, or if it's in Gargy or Warty (depending on what happens). But if nothing of the sort happens I'd be more confident in lynching robik instead. | ||
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If you believe saita was NKed just because of his reads on Warty, then it stands to reason that they could have shot me instead too (if that was the sole reason). which would have seemed like a more townie way of approaching this. I'm getting that a lot in this game >_> | ||
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On February 13 2016 09:14 Iwasrobik wrote: I had a townread on him for some reason reading the thread. Let's see why. I first had a scumread for this post. Oh yeah, he was one of the first to take a firm stance for the lynch. Town points. Not scumreading me when I was an easy ML. + Having strong opinions in his few posts. Not confirmed town but likely IMO. Weak town read on Garga On February 13 2016 10:20 Iwasrobik wrote: Wartruk is (probably) town 'cause of his attack on kush very early, when kush is the main force behind discussion blablabla, and thus a pretty bad target to attack for scum. And his posts EOD1 are way too obviously bad for scums to make I think, I'm wary of that one but that's what I think. Weak town read on Warty On February 13 2016 10:20 Iwasrobik wrote: I think I have everyone ? The two scums, I explained why gargamed was maybe town above. Pretty sure kaenu and Valdia are the 2 scums. We are in MYLO yet he's "pretty sure" he found the whole scumteam, when he still has (admited by him) weak town reads on Garga and Warty. Dunno about you, but if I have 2 dudes just with slight town reads (hell, it may even reflect my own reads on Garga and Warty so far), I am not going to wager MYLO on fixating my scum reads on the remaining 2 people and call it a day. The most important thing I'd be doing is dispelling or confirming those "weak" town reads on Garga and Warty. However, this doesn't seem to be on robik's mind since he hasn't addressed Garga nor Warty to figure out their alignment once in this game so far. This is the most sketchy thing for me, specially when his case against me is so bad I can't believe he's that convinced by it. His posts so far scream "hidden agenda" to me, not a townie trying to figure the game out so town can salvage something out of these 2-consecutive MYLOs we are going to have. | ||
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On February 12 2016 06:22 keanuisgod wrote: I understand that Gold made some "shittier" posts than unholy, but if it were left up to me it'd be a 50/50 coin toss between them for today's lynch. I don't think I can judge someone's alignment based on 2/3 small posts in the "Joking phase" (this goes for both players). In fact, Gold's inactivity seems consistent with his "I don't give a shit" character, while it seems stranger unholy would go AFK when he got into the game with guns blazing, making it seem he was interested in the game (or appeared to be so): | ||
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NNN thought it was sincere and I was town (at that point at least, dunno what he thinks now). You think NNN is "obvious town", so what did he get wrong? saita did indeed react like you initially, but he changed his mind. He's confirmed town. What do you disagree with said change of heart of saitama? | ||
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On February 14 2016 05:34 GargamelxD wrote: im not sure yet about the other one but im pretty confident warty is mafia. On February 14 2016 05:34 GargamelxD wrote: ##Vote wartrukk ..... ???? | ||
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Is he townie? Is he scum? Am I just senselessly OMGUSing him? | ||
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On February 14 2016 07:51 Wartrukk wrote: I did notice he gave me my well deserved townread when nobody else did, but it's weird that you say he could be with valdi but that would imply you are the scummiest of the reest of the townies. This is incorrect, going for the low hanging fruit is often called out on TL from what I see. Yeah, fuck, I'll read robik's filter brb Are you saying I am NOT the scummiest of the rest of the townies, or that I AM the scummiest of the rest of the townies?  Don't follow, who is the "low-hanging-fruit" here? | ||
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My "narrative" regarding robik is this: I'm thinking that robik (and scumteam by association) think the medic is between Gargy/Warty (whoever is townie between thme or both), so he HAS to go after me and leave those two be to be safe. I mean, you can't prop up the medic as your D3 mislynch since once he claims your plans are fucked. So he HAS to make a shitty case on me and push me as "obvious scum" for it to work, i.e it's less risky for scum. Valdi can be scumbuddy under the bus or just townie robik is latching on for D2 misslynch But well, obviously this is a narrative that only works assuming he's scum | ||
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NNN's scumread on him apparently is only based on him being NocturneMage Garga's townread on him apparently is only based on him being HalfTheSky What's there left for us that don't believe in smurfhunting (or don't understand the meta reads based on the above players)? Only robik's case so far. Anything else? | ||
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On February 15 2016 00:15 Iwasrobik wrote: The last point was the reason I was sure you were scum. Now I think you're town, but maybe try to take stronger stances in the future, as you didn't take one the whole game. For example, your votes were "fuck it I'm voting LS", "damnit I'm voting goldrom the only lynch potential" and "I'm bored I'm voting robik". Even now against me, you're unsure and it seems like you're asking others' opinion to scumread me. Being that indecisive is the easiest way to be manipulated in mafia; do stuff, attack people on things you think make them scum, make them react. That's what I did, and I think you're town now 'casue of your thinking about why I would attack you as scum was kinda smart. Like I said, I can't "fake" strong stances. If I am not sure about the game I'll make it clear. But yeah, that's a problem I've been having as town in a long while. Maybe the scum game in TL has improved so much and I got left behind in terms of skills. do stuff, attack people on things you think make them scum, make them react Difficult to do that in a game with so many lurkers. I did that with Bhaal and it worked too. On February 15 2016 00:20 Iwasrobik wrote: This post is so bad though it's making me doubt my townread. IF YOU RE TOWN STOP FITTING EVERYTHING INTO FUCKING NARRATIVES So you are saying that point about me not having "strong stances" trumped any kind of "weak read" you had on Warty and Garga at the time? Also, the other points of your case against me were very bad indeed, you aren't the only one justified in calling me "bad". On February 15 2016 00:25 Iwasrobik wrote: Still no game solving content in this post. Excuse + defense + a comment on wartruk that seems cool but is useless to determine his alignment. I get my read from "feels" most of the time. That's how I was certain Bhaal was town in late-D1 (when I would have lynched him otherwise, like I mentioned in my case). I don't "feel" these players (Garga/Warty/Valdi) being scum right now, but that might be just because I'm bad Anyways, now robik gives me townie feels so it's time to reread everything and make up my mind I suppose. Didn't expect this day to be so slow (even slower than D1) | ||
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At the very least Valdiano HAS to come here, make a vote and post some reasoning or something (lest getting modkilled), Gargy and Warty can lurk until deadline if they want | ||
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But don't worry, I'm gonna get there soon | ||
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And "acting stupidly" means parking a vote on someone with no reasonable justification on MYLO | ||
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On February 15 2016 04:05 GargamelxD wrote: So all the shit you said about warty was a complete lie since in your opinion voting him isn't reasonable even though he has a good shot at being mafia and you should think that too. Stop with the strawman and look at the facts. This is the first time you FOS Warty: On February 14 2016 05:34 GargamelxD wrote: im not sure yet about the other one but im pretty confident warty is mafia. These are the only other times you mention him: On February 13 2016 23:07 GargamelxD wrote: the nk does implicate wartrukk, saitama wasnt really the shining beacon of townieness to warrant being NKd, so i suppose it was cause of his reads... On February 13 2016 23:10 GargamelxD wrote: incompatibility detected On February 14 2016 00:22 GargamelxD wrote: Wartrukk also didnt comment on any of the reasons for why people went for the rom lynch. why are you failing to notice this nnn? theres the feeling you are biased towards wartrukk The reasons are: - NAI speculation about the NK - An "incompatibility" that was debunked by NNN - "Wartrukk also didnt comment on any of the reasons for why people went for the rom lynch." Since the first 2 are not strong nor valid, then I can only assume you are "pretty confident" Warty is mafia only because he "didn't comment on any of the reasons for why people went for the rom lynch". I am supposed to believe you are confident Warty is mafia over anybody else (Valdi, robik, etc) ... just based on that ... on MYLO. So all the shit you said about warty was a complete lie since in your opinion voting him isn't reasonable even though he has a good shot at being mafia and you should think that too Your reasons for voting Warty never made mention of anything I've said about Warty If I make a HUGE case against player X, and then you come and say "I'm voting X because he has a funny username", then I'm entirely justified in finding your vote suspicious, even if objectively there are other reasons for being suspicious of X. | ||
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On February 14 2016 04:32 GargamelxD wrote: i just think it looks bad on you if you post reasons for being suspicious about warty in something that looks like a defense of him. for you the nk implication should be secondary since you already have arguments for being suspicious of him so why make the NK argument the center of your post here? it just doesnt seem to be in line with your apparent preferences. if you think the nk argument is bad you might as well think "doesnt matter i have other reasons to scumread him, i think they are better and heres why" which would have seemed like a more townie way of approaching this. kita or bh On February 15 2016 03:50 GargamelxD wrote: This is a super odd post. Im voting my scumread, whom you suspect as well and that makes this post really scummy. There's no reason for you to believe that either me or warty are doing something stupid unless you are confident we're both town, seems like tmi, on me at least. | ||
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Your votes are placed badly because they are not justified, and if they are they are with bad reasons (like "the NK implicating Warty"). Please provide some more meat on why you are voting Warty. You are still trying to skip around this issue. Why is Warty scum? Why is Valdi town? What about robik? Are you suspicious of me? | ||
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N1: saitama and Bhaal die and flip town D2: Warty can't possibly still call saita and Bhaal scum. He instead calls Garga scum. This is pretty simple | ||
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On February 15 2016 06:00 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: So yeah valdi, robik final answer. On February 15 2016 05:45 Wartrukk wrote: Right now I'm thinking robik and garg is the most likely scumteam We are getting to a point where FOSes get flung around and constantly change between different scumteams and the like, without much second thought nor posting thorough reasoning of it, etc It feels like scum are having a field day with this. @NNN, what's your thought process of believing Garga was scum, then Warty is scum (or was it the other way round?), now robik as scum? What made you change your mind in that way? Posts that were ocurring? Some reread of filters? I take it your read on Valdi doesn't change at all in this time then? @Garga, ok, that's sound reasoning for FOSing Warty. Are you very confident in that Warty read? And again, what about robik and Valdi? Are you just unsure about them so you want to focus on Warty, or what? @Warty: Your filter indicates some suspicion on Gargamel and robik, but please explain yourself more. Again, what about Valdi? Valdi is indeed the weirdest link here. NNN and robik are sure sure he's scum. Warty and Garga are sure sure he's town. He's been inactive since the middle of D1 and hasn't posted anything at all, hell might even get modkilled today or something. Wtf is going on really? Robik and NNN, there is nothing from Valdi that can actually indicate inactive townie so far (since he hasn't posted anything from D1 other than the "excuse" post)? Warty and Garga .... wtf please post actually meaningful reads on Valdi other than "At one point he made posts for me to read" and "He's HTS lol he's town". Anyways I've been procrastinating a little bit so I'll get to those rereads | ||
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@Gargy: To be honest until right now I get the feeling you are more likely to be town and Warty to be scum, any "chainsaw defense" is actually an attack on your reasoning, not any actual defense. Anyways don't really worry about me | ||
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"Robik and NNN, do you think there is anything at all from Valdi that could actually indicate inactive townie instead of scum?" | ||
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But the thing he did post can be indicative of scum so I don't oppose the D2 wagon on him ... at least not at this very moment (I would have wanted Valdi to be here at the start of D2 and then evolve it from there) | ||
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On February 15 2016 07:20 Wartrukk wrote: Hm, should I switch so scum can't last minute hammer or what? Probably Wasn't robik and Garga scum? Are you NOT confident in your Valdi scum read enough to switch then? | ||
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I'll make a semi-serious semi-placeholder vote on Valdi. I'm rereading Valdi and what I said above is still true. I can't really read him as scum based on the "feel" of his posts. But it's true he hasn't scumhunted, has been inactive/lurking for way too long, etc, so I'm willing to sheep NNN here. Still have 30m to keep rereading. ##Vote: Valdiano | ||
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Are you certain this is a bus then? Robik is pretty active right now at the deadline, seems eager to see what Valdiano flips and never made any intention to remove his vote off him, even when apparently he had a stronger scumread on me than him at some point Is this a bus? I can see town robik acting this way to a scum/town Valdi, and I can see scum robik acting this way to a town Valdi (i.e this is the misslynch that would "secure" the win for scum, so I'd be pretty pumped in the thread and active if I was him). Don't really see a scum robik and scum Valdi scenario though | ||
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On February 15 2016 07:32 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: No I'm not sure. I'm at the grocery store. Don't ask me hard questions. I'm getting this tingly sensation in the back of my head that scumteam is robik+Warty and Valdi is just inactive (personal reason apparently) and they are laughing their ass off so far. Hopefully it's just a bad dream. Valdi will most likely be modkilled if he isn't lynched anyways and we won't have his vote, so lynching him right now seems the only way to not get a NL. | ||
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On February 15 2016 07:28 Wartrukk wrote: How can I be confident in my reads if I've hardly been reading the thread? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502905-new-smurf-mini-mafia?user=Wartrukk You were very active and "cared" about the thread and read it in the first 12 hours of the game or so. Ever since late-D1 you've been "I don't give a shit about the thread" and "I am not reading the thread". If you are town, this surely has an explanation right? You don't go from being active and engaging with the thread to becoming whatever the heck you've become so far. | ||
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On February 12 2016 15:00 Wartrukk wrote: I didn't really care about this game before and now I REALLY don't care Why don't you care about the game? Work just means less time, but well, even Valdi managed to post some walls of text with stuff and we all know how much "time" apparently he has (i.e NONE) | ||
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To be honest I'm somewhat considering a Warty lynch right now, though it may be a little too late. Warty just doesn't give a fuck about the game too much. He's too up-front with it. Would a townie act like this? Response to everything with "I don't want to read the thread" but still randomly appear right before the deadline? If he cares enough to show up now, why not care enough to read filters that are 2 pages long (seriously, this game is VERY SMALL) and try to do some meaningful shit? | ||
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On February 15 2016 07:46 Wartrukk wrote: If you think reading 2 page filters is more fun than rocket league I'm going to have to disagree And you want us to be convinced you are town based on this? | ||
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Tell us ALL your thoughts about Valdi, before he flips and this will be invalid | ||
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If my PC had good specs I would have done the same as Warty, pfff | ||
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I know you two want to kill each other, but you just have to tell him your true feelings! | ||
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On February 15 2016 08:33 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: The case against him had nothing to do with the fact that he was a lurker d2. IMO it was weaker because of it. I already mentioned how Valdi "not scumhunting" wasn't that much of an indicator when few people were actually scumhunting at that point | ||
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On February 15 2016 08:38 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: He was active and not scumhunting, which makes him scummier than people who were inactive and not scumhunting. Perhaps, but not enough for me to be sure he was scum. On February 15 2016 08:40 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: Last game, shapelog, aka keanu, IMO played one of the best scumgames I've ever seen. Keep that in mind. I don't think it's fair for you to base your possible scumread on me on this kind of meta and smurfhunting. | ||
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Like, being heavily active on (early) D1 but declining activity and "care" for the game as it goes on is something I've only seen scum do, and "ragequitting" townies do. Warty definitely doesn't fall in the 2nd category. If we also go by the "being active and not scumhunting" metric, he's #1 in that aspect Garga's attitude on D2 felt townie, specially his gradual increase in suspicion on me (I understand the "chainsaw defense" thing and waffle on Warty and how that could have been seen by a town Gargy, specially if Warty is scum). robik is townier I guess because Warty is more likely scum, because this would be one hell of a bus if not, because he seemed to make sense after getting off my back, and he shows he cares about the game (the most out of the people in question above at least). His suspicion on me I think makes sense if he wasn't part of the thread and didn't have any back-and-forth with me. Some of my posts, standing alone without any context may scream "lol scum", but if you are in the thread interacting with me I think I can prove my towniness enough. After interacting with me robik changed his mind ala saitama, so that makes me feel better about him. NNN is the "default townie" so far and leading force against Valdi since N1, so yeah no suspicions there. | ||
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On February 15 2016 13:20 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: OK, you weren't sure he was scum. You were more sure of Warty being scum? At the point where I nearly panicked near the deadline yes. Up until like 1h before deadline I wasn't sure anybody was scum yet (couldn't finish rereading the thread either) And why isn't it fair? It's not fair for you as scum you mean? It's not fair as town for you to read me as scum based on smurfhunting and meta in the way you posted. I thought you took the previous hint I mentioned to robik at some point | ||
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On February 13 2016 10:30 keanuisgod wrote: What makes you believe I implied kush was scum? I implied kush's smurfhunting abilities were bad Might as well come forth with that, in the sense that I don't want NNN to believe I'm 100% someone and then make decisions off me based on that when it (may) not be true at all. Hope hosts don't smite me (perhaps) | ||
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For you see, I'm a newbie that hasn't played games since 2013 ... | ||
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On February 15 2016 13:53 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: So let's get back to this interrogation. Keanu, to me it looks like your reason for suspecting Warty is the same reason you refused to suspect Valdi. In fact, you admit using the same metric: Your reason paraphrased: Warty started out with lots of activity and it diminished as the game continued. My defense of Warty: The only time when Warty can be considered active is very early game, in his back and forth with me. Early game activity is a an entirely different beast than later activity. Early game activity is based on in the moment interactions, when later activity is based on reading the thread and filters. Early game activity is talking. Later activity is reading. So it makes sense to me that Warty can't be bothered to read the thread closely, but he has no problem having an early game shit fest with me. The difference is Valdi was totally AFK (or faked being so apparently), but Warty was indeed posting in the thread throughout late-D1 onwards. Valdi made it appear like he was into the game and shit but just didn't post anything because of some OOG stuff that didn't allow him to even be here (dunno how much of this is true now). Warty was here, but his care for the game and activity diminished for no discernible reason if he's town. So it makes sense to me that Warty can't be bothered to read the thread closely To me it doesn't. I can certainly feel Warty genuinely doesn't care much about the game (and it's not faking it). If he's scum he just doesn't give a fuck and knows he can keep this up apparently. If he's town then I can't understand not trying to care a little bit, when he's not being pushed/bullied/whatever by anyone, the game is very small to read, and he did show signs of fun and care in early D1. | ||
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I can't rule out an elaborate bus for D3 town-cred, but his behaviour last D2 seemed strangely convincing to me as town (check out what I posted above). On February 15 2016 13:59 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: Damn the soap opera with zombies pulled you away from me. I really should get to watch it before going to sleep, but actually you are keeping me away from it >_> | ||
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Don't see much benefit in having scum pick and choose which townie to kill in 2 nights in a row, unless your plan is to REALLY count on a doc save at some point (to confirm townies). Plus I think doc should claim tomorrow. Him claiming makes no difference on who he can save at a potential N3 night, but we'll have a confirmed townie on D3, or the suspects get reduced to 2 (if there is CC). | ||
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.... though a NL will be VERY boring to be honest and be quite a drag :/ D3 and N3 will be put to a halt if so | ||
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Anyways, as scum I do find it VERY stressful ... unless everything is going my way and I have a plan put down in stone and it's going smooth as Smurfette's bellybutton. That rarely happens though | ||
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On February 16 2016 07:34 Iwasrobik wrote: So you posted "I will read valdiano's filter since he's getting a lot of flak". Then you DIDNT READ his filter and waited 11 minutes doing NOTHING. Then you posted "I'll buy that. Valdiano kinda won me over when he was posting because it was content for me to read." ????????????????????? This actually makes sense if you think about it. He had read Valdi as town when he had posted back in D1, but never reread his filter. We ask him about it and he says he's gonna read it. He fucks off and never reads it. When asked about Valdi he mentions the previous read he had His "Ok I'll sheep onto Valdi" vote makes sense in the above state of mind too. His actions are consistent with not giving a shit robik. The actual scummy thing is that exact apathy of his. As well as this: On February 12 2016 10:03 keanuisgod wrote: It's really nice to come back to activity 1-2 hours before the lynch and shout how the "wagon looks like trash" isn't it? It's also really nice to vote right at the last moment to someone who is OBVIOUSLY not getting lynched and making no effort to try to get him lynched It also isn't suspicious at all to vote someone completely unrelated to the lynch and wait until the last second (when you KNOW your vote doesn't count and thus you can't be held accountable for anything) by just saying "I have real reasons but am still busy" Anyways, we know Bhaal is town now, so please explain your read on him. These are your only posts about him Why exactly was he in your "leanscum" pile? What does the "lying LS" thing have to do with anything? Did you even pay attention to my case on him and the later change of heart of many people in the thread about him? | ||
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On February 16 2016 07:48 Wartrukk wrote: I answered that post iirc keanu Didn't make your actions any less scummy | ||
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On February 12 2016 06:19 Wartrukk wrote: You're honestly correct, we had a mindmeld on saitama's earlygame awkwardness but I was too stubborn to call it as such. nnn has been active in thread and looking towny since I last checked and read him pretty strongly as town now. Saitama is looking scummy to me still but at the time of that post it was only due to his awkwardness early game. I've gone through his filter (thanks to this question) and noticed a few things. He says that he finds NNN and myself null and, when called out on the fact that he said we were doing towny things, backed it up saying there isn't enough to go on. Then, after a while says we're both leaning town. Maybe nnn did some stuff but I've been AFK for 24hrs or something, what did I do that made me townlean? + Show Spoiler + On February 11 2016 02:58 saitamaofonepunch wrote: Coming into the thread early and saying "I'm town" also comes from town more often than scum. Do you seriously expect me to immediately give them a town lean? Please. I weigh my reads before I give them. And I took it on someone's word that wartrukk was omgusing you- so lynch me for not reading. Finally, you did specifically state at one time "you are scumreading me for X? Then you are scum" which is practically omgus. I will find it later. On phone. On February 11 2016 08:59 saitamaofonepunch wrote: Bhaal has quit role playing. Looking forward to the future on that. Wartrukk is still mostly null. I haven't formed strong reads yet. I will say kush mountain and wartrukk are slight townleans after more thought put into this game. The motive behind their posting does not look destructive to me at this time. It just feels like saitama is following thread sentiment. He calls out keanu for voting a scumread he's not confident in but once someone points out that voting is part of mafia saitama calls the subject of keanu's case (halo lamb) scummy. Is the above only it? | ||
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On February 16 2016 08:11 Iwasrobik wrote: Yep probably unless I'm convinced one guy is scum But you have 48 hours to figure that out, that's the point of Day cycles. How would 72 additional hours help you? Remember you are dealing with Warty and Gargy here, they won't post at all and it'l just be you and me arguing or whatever. Nothing happens, then N3 comes, I or you die (most likely me) and then we are in the same exact spot, just with 1 less townie to make sense of things. If NNN died last night, then it means doc most likely protted me or you, so it's like throwing a dice to see whether doc will save someone on N3 or not. | ||
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On February 16 2016 08:28 Wartrukk wrote: Fuck it I'ma wifom the nk nnn was the only one calling me town until a short time before deadline. The only one who wasn't here before deadline is garga. That's all I really got but it makes sense to me On February 13 2016 23:07 GargamelxD wrote: the nk does implicate wartrukk, saitama wasnt really the shining beacon of townieness to warrant being NKd, so i suppose it was cause of his reads.. valdiano is hts and town imo. On February 13 2016 08:13 Wartrukk wrote: Wifoming the night kill to implicate (but not really implicate) the towny who said he has little time to play. In MYLO. HHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Why the change of heart regarding WIFOMing a NK on MYLO? Is it just because it benefits you at this very moment but didn't on N1? On February 16 2016 08:35 Wartrukk wrote: So I'm gonna place a vote on garga because I'm 90% sure he's the game winning lynch but if you two want a nl you just have to not vote with me. I'll be back throughout the dayphase. On February 16 2016 06:39 Wartrukk wrote: Hrm... When I checked my phone this morning it said there were 0 new posts. Maybe I missed the refresh button or something. So I'm here trying to figure out if robik or keanu is the scum trying to get the easy warty mislynch out of the way first. On February 16 2016 07:46 Wartrukk wrote: [to robik] Still kinda think you're scum so that makes sense On February 16 2016 07:47 Wartrukk wrote: [to robik] Is garga your next ml after me? That seems the easiest Doesn't feel like you were 90% sure Garga was scum on N2. You sure WIFOMing the NK (which was pretty obvious) made it so you were 90% sure it was Garga? | ||
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Right now I'm trying to figure out if Warty is genuine in a townie way or not. Don't really believe I could make any breakthrough read on Garga other than feels. I also get a little paranoid that an inactive/apathetic Warty/Garga as town could give rise to a super-try-hard scum robik lol. Fucking MYLOs/LYLOs always messing with my head | ||
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Who said scum have to kill townies and townies have to kill scum, huh? Is it in the Bible? No, then why follow the rules at all? Fuck the police | ||
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On February 17 2016 08:01 Iwasrobik wrote: True p: but I'm pretty convinced Garga is scum so actually ... let's play. Just got home from work so I guess let's do it. But damn, there are just so few filters with so little posts to read, I don't think I could ever muster up the strength to do so. | ||
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If he didn't, we'd have NLed, Valdi would have lived and he could have come right as N2 started saying how "the lynch sucked" and whatever. He had all possible outs (as scum) to save his buddy without any repercussion on him. He could have either NOT shown up, or he could have just said "I already said Valdi is town and Gargy scum, I'm not switching" and parked his vote on Gargy. With a NL and Valdi alive, Valdi just has to turn up on with a half-assed excuse with a placeholder on someone and then start activity on N2-D3. It'd be 3v2 D3 LYLO then, and it'd be much easier for Warty/Valdi scum to misslynch a townie (since there's 1 less townie). That possible-bus is actually more town-indicative than yours. As in, I can believe you (robik) being scum and bussing Valdi on D2 more than I could believe Warty being scum and bussing Valdi in this case. Had forgotten about that, nice find. | ||
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Most of what Warty does is consistent with the above, and not scummy in itself. My main problems were the lack of care and the D1 lynch-apparition. I guess I can see town motivations behind both (I lied, I can't see town motivation behind the lack of care .... but whatever I guess I just have to be skeptic about that now). This got interesting again. Have to reread Gargy specifically though, might take a while (they say this Better Call Saul episode is pretty good, can't miss it!) | ||
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On February 17 2016 08:40 keanuisgod wrote: Hmm, I forgot about Warty's switch to Valdi on D2. He was indeed very active at deadline, in his own "style". Valdi already had 2 votes by then with me basically saying I'd sheep onto it if I hadn't found anything. Warty had already placed his vote on Gargy, so if Warty was scum, wouldn't it make much more sense to NOT show up until after D2 ends? If he didn't, we'd have NLed, Valdi would have lived and he could have come right as N2 started saying how "the lynch sucked" and whatever. He had all possible outs (as scum) to save his buddy without any repercussion on him. He could have either NOT shown up, or he could have just said "I already said Valdi is town and Gargy scum, I'm not switching" and parked his vote on Gargy. With a NL and Valdi alive, Valdi just has to turn up on with a half-assed excuse with a placeholder on someone and then start activity on N2-D3. It'd be 3v2 D3 LYLO then, and it'd be much easier for Warty/Valdi scum to misslynch a townie (since there's 1 less townie). That possible-bus is actually more town-indicative than yours. As in, I can believe you (robik) being scum and bussing Valdi on D2 more than I could believe Warty being scum and bussing Valdi in this case. Had forgotten about that, nice find. And if that was a super-bus by scum Warty, I am sure this would have turned up much sooner, most likely from scum Warty using it to defend himself. If that was a bus planned by Valdi and Warty, then surely Warty would HAVE to use it now. He would have sacrificed his partner (when it was much easier to save him), and until N3 everybody wanted Warty dead, so he SHOULD have mentioned it as some point as scum to try and survive this D3. | ||
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Would you have anything more in-depth regarding your read on robik? Anyways, you guys are lucky you have one less suspect to choose from. Shit is hard for confirmed townies yo ;_; (I know Gargy hasn't claimed but fuck it i'm confirmed and nobody will tell me otherwise) | ||
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On February 17 2016 14:13 GargamelxD wrote: why did you claim medic? If we no lynched youd have had another night to prot --_- I can still prot myself or robik (or you or Warty) on an hypothetical N3 (if we happen to NL). Claiming has nothing to do with that. Also, I guess this means I'm confirmed town bitches! | ||
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On February 17 2016 08:30 Iwasrobik wrote: Garga is the last scum and here is why. The main reason: Vlad's interactions Here is the ONLY mention of Garga in Vald's filter: Once, he's mentioned because it's a post about lurkers; and it's a slight townlean without explanations, which is partner indicative. In comparaison, here is how Vlad' interactions with Kaenu makes Kaenu likely town: + Show Spoiler + Questions / interactions with him On February 11 2016 01:14 Valdiano wrote: so there's a few things I don't like about this reading your filter or that I don't understand. You are discussing the effects of nnn's scumhunting in this first quote but you are dismissing it as banter. what makes you think this presumably isn't alignment indicative? And Wartruk: + Show Spoiler + Questions / interactions with him On February 11 2016 23:24 Valdiano wrote: another point that I feel needs some clarification - this sounds like mindmeld to me, which people from their perspective, view as towny, so why is he still null? just wondering. also if you can further discuss saita, that might be great. he's the one active player I'm having difficulty understanding. Scumread with reasonning on him On February 11 2016 00:54 Valdiano wrote: wartrokk - didn't like his opening post because the usa vs europe thing is obviously not scummy. his filer padding post, without knowing who he is, I think I know what he actually meant by that, but obv not going to put words in his mouth. (if it's what I think he meant, it's nai) The gist of his post is that he's skeptical and whoever the player is, it is possible this person just doesn't metaread people, he's in the clear as long as he's not scumreading someone for something that isn't alignment indicative. if wartrokk can explain why the way nnn is smurf hunting is scummy then I would feel a little better about his alignment. his final post didn't reach an absolute conclusion on nnn despite their ongoing conversation. regardless of who he was, he should have been able to do so. right now, it's a scumlean without a concrete conclusion And Saitama: + Show Spoiler + Questions / interactions with him On February 11 2016 01:02 Valdiano wrote: this post is difficult to understand. if I understand it correctly this is a bad post. if this is the definition you believe then why are you sure that this couldn't come from scum? omgus can come from either alignment. second if you are suggesting the play is more often town then why are you suggesting that they have not progressed from null? what is the conditional element that could make them scum (implied by your first sentence in the final quote, correct)? Plus a scumread on him which you probably all remember, I'm tired of writing these spoilers. Even unholyflare got a small reason for his read: + Show Spoiler + On February 11 2016 23:31 Valdiano wrote: if I had to lynch any of the severely low content posters for uselessness right now, I'd say that 77Gold would "win" over unholyflare, if only for unholyflare making that one slight observation. Vlad's interactions with others makes Wartruk and Kaenu very unlikely partners, and Garga a likely partner. I'm revisiting Valdi's mentions of Warty: + Show Spoiler + On February 11 2016 00:54 Valdiano wrote: wartrokk - didn't like his opening post because the usa vs europe thing is obviously not scummy. his filer padding post, without knowing who he is, I think I know what he actually meant by that, but obv not going to put words in his mouth. (if it's what I think he meant, it's nai) The gist of his post is that he's skeptical and whoever the player is, it is possible this person just doesn't metaread people, he's in the clear as long as he's not scumreading someone for something that isn't alignment indicative. if wartrokk can explain why the way nnn is smurf hunting is scummy then I would feel a little better about his alignment. his final post didn't reach an absolute conclusion on nnn despite their ongoing conversation. regardless of who he was, he should have been able to do so. right now, it's a scumlean without a concrete conclusion This is complete wiffle-waffle, conjuring a "scumlean" out of thing air but giving himself a lot of ways out in the bolded. He does talk a little bit too much about him if he's his scumbuddy, but it's NAI (for Warty) in terms of associations for me. On February 11 2016 23:24 Valdiano wrote: another point that I feel needs some clarification - this sounds like mindmeld to me, which people from their perspective, view as towny, so why is he still null? just wondering. also if you can further discuss saita, that might be great. he's the one active player I'm having difficulty understanding. Can't see how he couldn't have asked this mild easy question to a scumbuddy Warty On February 14 2016 14:26 Valdiano wrote: wartruckk's end of day comments - the wagon being trash makes no sense but at that time it's not like his vote would have done anything anyhow. Waffle-ruffles again. Apparently attacks him but instantly gives him an out with the bolded. NAI of Warty either Of course we have the almost null mentions of Gargy, robik and unholy. I can't find anything incriminating of Warty, nor Gargy nor unholy/robik in Valdi's posts. His lackluster posts (in terms of reads, stances, etc) and lack of activity means he couldn't have implicated anybody of the remaining players. For me this part is null and should not be considered in any Gargy scumread (or something else if we all change our minds again on a whim or something) + Show Spoiler + Also on hindsight Valdi's posts are scummy as fuck yeah specially this: On February 11 2016 00:54 Valdiano wrote: reading. most people so far are playing nai. the smurf hunting, I see why it's happening but would rather focus on actual scum hunting. Posts about "focusing on scumhunting" and then does none of it. Red red flag. I'm mending my D2 to scumreading him: ##Vote: Valdiano Pheww, crisis averted | ||
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On February 17 2016 14:41 GargamelxD wrote: ill take my time to decide for myself whether its robik or warty before the night. In the meantime we should no lynch anyway, so im voting that. I think it's also a good idea to convince everybody else why it is not you. If you can't, then I don't think we'll be seeing N3 anytime soon. Also, right before "deciding for yourself", post quickly what is your first reaction towards a possible scum. I don't really want to read a wall of text of yours 15 hours from now which is premeditated and stuff, I want to reach inside your brain right now and pick whatever is in there up, to figure out if it's legit or not. If you had to pick scum right now, who would it be? You were sure it was Warty on D2 (many of us were). Have you read the thread until now? If so, how have your stances shifted ONLY based on what you've read so far? Caught anything interesting that made you doubt your read (and that's why you want to "decide for yourself")? If you haven't read the thread until now, then still post what you think makes one of robik/Warty scum (which would have info from <N2). If you are unsure, post why too. | ||
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First interaction with the thread: + Show Spoiler + On February 10 2016 08:20 Wartrukk wrote: On February 10 2016 08:24 Wartrukk wrote: That's pretty scummy tbh On February 10 2016 08:35 Wartrukk wrote: Fecalfeast has canada on his profile so you calling it 'the US' leads me to believe you're from europe. I'm thinking scum On February 10 2016 10:40 Wartrukk wrote: So saying you're going to out smurfs, I say I think that's scummy (I still do) and after you go about trying to out smurfs you come back to my post and say "Joke phase lol" Yeah, I'm the one fabricating reads, right? On February 10 2016 10:55 Wartrukk wrote: You're getting a lot out of 3 words and an acronym lol The real scumstrat, however, would be padding your filter with what basically boils down to setup discussion since people aren't allowed to confirmw hether you're correct on them. What is the town-favoured strat to outing smurfs, though? That's something I can't figure out, not like you can use meta without a seed of doubt since you can't ever confirm you're correct. I already mentioned this, but as SOON as the game starts (2 minutes in) he's posting, and actively interacting with me and NNN. I've rarely seen scum do this, usually game starts, you have your role PM and you go to your QT, meet your buddies, etc, and are not in the mood to post that actively at the start of D1, specially not with "content" that could be used against you later. For instance, the almost instant suspicions he has of NNN based on the "smurfhunting" thing. In the end, him being suspicious of NNN is not really AI. Like saita said it was just "bad", which likely comes from townies, since it already puts the spotlight onto them. Those posts usually come from townies because they always generate a townie to FOS you back with them, like 90% of the time (like it happened in this game). That's unnecessary attention and spotlight on scum 10 minutes into the game. I only see confident aggressive scum do that sort of thing, which wouldn't seem to be Warty's profile this game. Warty's attitude this game: + Show Spoiler + Warty's game so far seems to be not reading the thread and not caring much about the game, but his attitude doesn't show a hidden agenda behind it, nor any attempt to hide behind that apathy. Like I said above, he comes right into the game interacting and posting suspicions (that surely are made in "let's throw stuff and see what sticks") A better example is something like this: On February 13 2016 09:07 Wartrukk wrote: I will read valdiano's filter since he's getting a lot of flak If Warty is scumbuddies with Valdi, who is on his way to get lynched (or at least is close having 2 votes already), then it means people asked him to post his thoughts on him, he promised to read his filter, but then didn't and was upfront about it. This would take quite some balls as scum, since it would obviously feel scummy to the rest of the players to promise a read on the other scum and then NOT posting it. However in Warty's case it feels natural, he doesn't give a shit about reading Valdi's filter as he doesn't give a shit about reading other cases and other filters. I can't feel any sort of change in behavior regarding Valdi specifically and other players, which I think would happen (at the very least slightly) if Warty was scum. After all, he HAS to have a plan or agenda as scumbuddies with Valdi, even if it means "Ignore Valdi this D2", and it would have to be shown somehow in his behavior and posts, which I don't seem to find. Before D2 deadline: + Show Spoiler + On February 15 2016 05:45 Wartrukk wrote: Right now I'm thinking robik and garg is the most likely scumteam On February 15 2016 07:20 Wartrukk wrote: Hm, should I switch so scum can't last minute hammer or what? Probably On February 15 2016 07:28 Wartrukk wrote: How can I be confident in my reads if I've hardly been reading the thread? On February 15 2016 07:30 Wartrukk wrote: My strongest scumread, garga, is off the wagon and voting me. robik is a sheep read and valdi I don't remember giving a townread but he's been afk 100 years hasn't he? Warty was here 40m before deadline, was active and interacted with pretty much everybody. His "I didn't read filters or the thread" attitude was consistent with what he posted. He had confirmed not reading Valdi's filter, and to him (and even to me) he was just some dude that is AFK he didn't have an opinion on. On February 15 2016 07:53 Wartrukk wrote: Off the top of my head 'he posted a few times day 1 and I liked the posts at the time' I'll have a gander at his filter if you want but if you think I'm scum I don't see the point since I would just use TMI and make a case calling him his true alignment Even after making the switch, he still doesn't have a very defined position on Valdi. If he's a scum bussing his mate for "cred", when he could have easily saved him (by not switching or even showing up at deadline), then this would feel very very weird. He's not taking a stance on his scumbuddy, making his switch even appear "bad" (if you look at it in hindsight), basically rendering the bus for town cred pointless. And again, I don't feel any sense of urgency or any "plan in action" with his posts here. He just responds to people casually, etc. It doesn't feel like a Valdi+Warty scumteam master-plan. Remember Valdi ninja-voted right before deadline, so if Warty is scum it means the whole scumteam was active right before deadline, thus anything they were doing was more likely planned and being talked about. Warty's actions are not consistent with a "scum plan" like that, specially one in which one mafia dies because the other mafia decides his lynch (instead of saving him) by switching to him 20 minutes before the lynch. It also shows he is interested in the lynch at least, even if he doesn't really have an opinion on Valdi. Apathy/"Inactivity": + Show Spoiler + On February 13 2016 06:15 Wartrukk wrote: I can't believe every time i get town I get swamped witg work stuff. Have you figured out valdi's identity, NNN, or is there a case on him that i skipped? Who is iwasrobik is that another replace? On February 15 2016 07:38 Wartrukk wrote: Right, first 12 hours I was here at deadline and having a fun time. Next morning I'm swamped with work and can only manage a few phone posts except the couple hopurs I was on the PC. What am I going to do when I have very little downtime? a) read filters or b)play videogames. + Show Spoiler + it's b I don't like it, but at least he posted the reasoning behind his inactivity/lack of care (which again, was consistent at least), and it makes sense with how he played the game I guess. D1 he was excited about playing the game and somewhat active, like he even shows here: On February 10 2016 11:39 Wartrukk wrote: Saying hello: "I am in thread the moment game started because I am excited to play a smurf game" Zzz emoticon: "Post more because this is the time where I can be active" But then he has lots of work, so he has less free time to read (and just to skim what's being posted and interact with people). It's also worth it to consider that Warty has quite activity, with 6 pages of filter. Compare it to Garga's 2 pages of filter for instance. I noticed Warty doesn't show up for some patches of time, but when he does he posts quite a bunch, specially responses to questions, interacting with what other people are posting, posting his half-baked reads, etc. Again, he has 6 pages of filter but manages to be here for a (relatively) short while. I find those high bursts of activity townie, since they are consistent with the story he's presenting (busy for quite a while, but at times has a short period of time he can be in the thread), plus it shows he is HERE in the thread without having stuff to hide. Again, his posts are oddly consistent for the burst of activity he has where he does post his ramblings and thoughts (which are mostly about confusions of his), etc. Another example are posts like these: On February 16 2016 07:58 Wartrukk wrote: I'm probably just omgusing because of how hard robik is pushing but garga has been afk all night phase and since I'm the one you nerds are mad at and he was pushing me all day yesterday he's probably who I will end up voting if robik gets off my sack inb4 I'm just agreeing with whoever is talking at the time These feel like Warty just posting whatever is on his mind, in this case getting suspicious of robik because robik is pushing him too hard, then backing down, etc. It feels directionless, at least if he's scum. I don't really picture a scum acting this way, unless it is intentional (but it still feels too genuine for it to be faked IMO). Conclusion: - Warty's actions on the D2 lynch make no sense if he's scum with Valdi - There is a reason for Warty's excitement on early D1 but apathy to read the game later on (even if I don't like it) - Warty is very consistent with his thought process and lack of info/knowledge about the game. I don't feel like there are points where he "knows" more than he shows us, or that he's faking some of his "idgaf posts" - For the small time he's in the thread, he has 6 pages of filter and high bursts of activity which would be rather difficult to match as scum, specially the small talk where he just vomits his thoughts/confusions/etc and interacts with people - Warty engages with people throughout the whole game, and doesn't appear like he has something to hide in those moments I'm somewhat wary because of the lack of reading the game/etc, and because of the thing I found scummy on D1. But the above kind of trump that (specially the D2 lynch stuff), so I'm gonna say town | ||
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Kind of feel like Garga is scum just by default right now, but want to go through the whole bureaucratic process and shit just to be fair and safe. (also, I couldn't watch Better Call Saul dammit) | ||
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On February 17 2016 22:29 GargamelxD wrote: No, not really, cause I just read this: This makes warty still just as likely to be mafia (which would be nice so i didnt waste my energy on nothing yesterday actually )The reason for his switch doesn't make much sense if he believes me and robik to be mafia, he should have been confident that we were about to lose the game, not afraid that robik might switch to him leading to valdi being lynched anyway. Imo this is still a strong point to be suspicious of him, mafia might have been afraid of ending up on the wrong wagon here, could easily have been tmi showing itself. Btw the votecount is wrong, keanu voted just before that count, so try to count that in. So as scum, he scumreads robik and you and has no opinion on scumbuddy Valdi (or townreads him), but then suddendly decides to be the decisive vote on his lynch? Remember, without Warty's vote D2 would have been a NL (you weren't around to vote Valdi). What scum motivation is there for that? He makes a very scummy move to lynch his scumbuddy? Is this a rebellion inside the scumteam or something (maybe he hates Valdi or something and wants to win this solo)? | ||
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On February 17 2016 22:29 GargamelxD wrote: No, not really, cause I just read this:. What exactly about what I posted about Warty do you not agree with? I mentioned 4 points, please post what you disagree with them. Gargy, if you are town then from your POV robik should really be scum, so you really should find more incriminating stuff about him, not "dumbtell lies" or confusing shit. Either that or you are NOT making it clear why you think Warty could still be scum, in a believable way at least (based on what was already said about Warty). | ||
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On February 17 2016 23:16 GargamelxD wrote: If his confidence into me being mafia and warty being town that literally came out of the blue and before he actually posted the case on me isn't an argument to you, then lynch me, but lose the game. It is consistent with him rereading the thread. These posts show he's been rereading the whole thread and filters before singling you out as scum: On February 16 2016 08:07 Iwasrobik wrote: Will reread the game before posting again. See you all later On February 16 2016 08:11 Iwasrobik wrote: Yep probably unless I'm convinced one guy is scum On February 17 2016 00:49 Iwasrobik wrote: Kaenu did you reread the game ? I have too much work to do to do that right now, that will wait for tonight =X On February 17 2016 06:55 Iwasrobik wrote: LOL I never properly read this and it is AWESOME ^^ On February 17 2016 07:24 Iwasrobik wrote: HAHAHAHAHA HOW COULD I MISS THAT ITS EVEN BETTER THAN THE FIRST ONE His progression here makes perfect sense: -Wants to NL since he's not sure who's scum out of Gargy/Warty (and me I guess) -Says he will reread the thread to make up his mind, and that he will still NL unless he is sure someone is scum -Actually rereads the thread, and the posts above prove that at least he's been reading jokes and stuff -After rereading the thread, is sure Gargy is scum and thus doesn't want NL anymore. I suppose him wanting everybody to claim is part of that too Could be done as scum too sure, but it's not something that is an "argument [for him being mafia] to me" | ||
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On February 17 2016 23:16 GargamelxD wrote: ... then lynch me, but lose the game. I can save tonight anyways, so I don't think we should be that concerned about this. If this is the case we'll still have 50/50 chance of getting to D4 | ||
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On February 17 2016 23:16 GargamelxD wrote: If his confidence into me being mafia and warty being town that literally came out of the blue and before he actually posted the case on me isn't an argument to you ... Yeah this is OMGUS, robik's progression makes perfect sense. This doesn't make much sense either: "his confidence into me being mafia came ... before he actually posted the case on me". Like ... isn't that a natural progression? You read someone, believe they are scum and then make the case. Wtf is the alternative? robik posting the case before being suspicious of Gargy? then lynch me, but lose the game. Fear-mongering. I think I'm showing enough restraint and flexibility right now to be open to any kind of possibility, specially if Gargy is town and someone like robik is scum. I don't think it warrants this kind of response at all if Gargy is town I already didn't care on D2 when I believed we were going to lose, so I won't care today either. Your D2 didn't show that you "believed we were going to lose". If that was the case then even worse, since there was almost no indication of town losing on D2, specially if you thought someone like Warty was scum, which people were suspicious of too. It just feels like retconning your motivations on D2 just to drop the bolded bit. This is also likely coming from scum, since why would town retcon their motivations like that (i.e lie or hide that kind of info)? The bolded bit is just as bad. It's not like Warty's "lack of care" which is heavily documented and explained by him and consistent. Based on your activity and posts, YOU saying "I don't care today" is scummy as hell. I will do stuff when Im arsed to, but asking me to just eat up your version of events and start posting cases on Robik is insanity. Don't worry however, I'm not done posting. It just feels like you are lost and don't actually know if you should push Warty or robik. I don't get a sense of "town indecisiveness", like sometimes Warty shows (by switching between reads, complaining, etc). You OMGUS robik and make all intentions clear that you think he's scum "getting the easy ML", but then you inexplicably still leave Warty open as being scum here, like you are still suspicious of him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502905-new-smurf-mini-mafia?page=38#757 I can't see this happening from a townie POV in this kind of MYLO. Anyways yeah Gargy's scum ##Vote: Gargy When I'm at lunch here I'll reread stuff carefully, but doubt I'll change my mind | ||
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On February 18 2016 01:04 GargamelxD wrote: Been in the situation before where you are the main suspect and supposed to be the one delivering cases on everyone else. No, fuck that, you have to do that too. I just did ... | ||
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On February 18 2016 02:06 GargamelxD wrote: Oh deadline is today? In that case I advise you to no lynch cause I don't plan on putting in any more effort today. Otherwise it's your loss, don't say I didn't warn you :> So what would NL accomplish? We're either exactly the same 3v1 MYLO on D4 or I die tonight and it's 2v1 LYLO (depending how I and scum WIFOM the medic save). Most likely I will have to be forced to prot myself and scum will be forced to shoot me extending this (and on N4 I won't be able to prot myself). Doubt scum will shoot robik/Warty/Gargy because it doesn't benefit him to reduce the number of townies just now. Do you just somehow "promise" to put more effort if we NL? Why not put that effort now? What's stopping you? Otherwise it's your loss, don't say I didn't warn you :> More fear-mongering. What exactly is this supposed to accomplish? Make me feel guilty and lynch someone else just because "well, Gargy warned me and it felt ominous and I got scared"? On February 18 2016 02:25 GargamelxD wrote: So yeah at least I was right on warty yesterday, keanus argument is pretty but dead wrong. Warty went for the endgame cred instead of a risky play. You should replace "instead" with "in spite". If he's scum then bussing his buddy at the last minute getting him lynched IS a risky play, specially since it apparently didn't give him any endgame cred until robik+me pointed it out. If we had been lazy Warty seems wouldn't have pointed it out and he would have gotten lynched. On February 18 2016 02:22 GargamelxD wrote: Meh will have to settle down for Robik to be town, I'm pretty confident he is, I'm also pretty confident its rels Why is robik suddenly town, but Warty "100% responsible for a scum lynch" is not? | ||
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On February 18 2016 03:29 Rels wrote: Did you finally read our filters before arriving to this conclusion ? Oh no. Modkill incoming | ||
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Confidence and overall play: + Show Spoiler + CBA to get posts, but he starts right off the bat with confident reads and a "gonna catch them all" attitude, which does feel townie. Said attitude is consistent since he came into the game in N1 until now. I haven't seen him go AFK, or stop giving a shit, etc. I haven't seen him change his behaviour so far. He also feels no fear in calling people scum, being aggressive about it, etc. But all of that with justification and stuff. Not only that, for being so active and contributing so much, it feels like it's done with moving town forward. It doesn't feel like he is trying to shit the thread and misdirect town, not at all. For instance his D2 was insanely focused and it netted us a scum Valdi. It just doesn't feel right him being scum and act "pro-town" this way. It's not like he's posting to hide behind walls of texts and spam, his posts feel like they have meaning behind them. Drunk Posting: + Show Spoiler + He posted drunk the other day On February 14 2016 08:09 Iwasrobik wrote: Yo I'm super drunk so I'll pass out and wont come back before tomorrow. Some posts made me want to puke more than alcohol though during reading, by both warttuk on my reads that are suddenly bullshit and kaenu s attack on me On February 14 2016 08:10 Iwasrobik wrote: No wait this obviously is super bad but this post is 90% from a townie. Shapelog attacked me with narrative like that in a game I didn't have time to play, keanu is shape right ? I read that somewhere. From what I've seen drunk posting comes from town like 80% of the time. He even makes a switch in his reads or whatever while drunk. Hard to fake as scum. (Note: I also posted drunk in this thread. See if you can find it!) Evolution of his keanu read: + Show Spoiler + I feel his read on me evolved in a townie way, similar to how saitama viewed me on D1. Initially he found me pretty scummy because of my "waffly" Bhaal case and not taking strong stances. But after interacting with me he finds himself thinking I may be town, and later is convinced On February 15 2016 00:15 Iwasrobik wrote: The last point was the reason I was sure you were scum. Now I think you're town, but maybe try to take stronger stances in the future, as you didn't take one the whole game. For example, your votes were "fuck it I'm voting LS", "damnit I'm voting goldrom the only lynch potential" and "I'm bored I'm voting robik". Even now against me, you're unsure and it seems like you're asking others' opinion to scumread me. Being that indecisive is the easiest way to be manipulated in mafia; do stuff, attack people on things you think make them scum, make them react. That's what I did, and I think you're town now 'casue of your thinking about why I would attack you as scum was kinda smart. This feels genuine. If he was scum I would have thought his agenda D2 was "Bus Valdi and tunnel keanu for a ML later in the game". But his playon late-D2 and progression of his read on me doesn't feel like something a scum would plan. Natural "NL -> Lynch Garga" progression on N2/D3: + Show Spoiler + On February 17 2016 23:29 keanuisgod wrote: Okay, what is your narrative right now then? It is consistent with him rereading the thread. These posts show he's been rereading the whole thread and filters before singling you out as scum: His progression here makes perfect sense: -Wants to NL since he's not sure who's scum out of Gargy/Warty (and me I guess) -Says he will reread the thread to make up his mind, and that he will still NL unless he is sure someone is scum -Actually rereads the thread, and the posts above prove that at least he's been reading jokes and stuff -After rereading the thread, is sure Gargy is scum and thus doesn't want NL anymore. I suppose him wanting everybody to claim is part of that too Could be done as scum too sure, but it's not something that is an "argument [for him being mafia] to me" Also, I would have expected scum robik to just keep pounding on Warty. Remember EVERYBODY ALIVE on N1 (except himself) thought Warty was scum. NNN even died "being brought into the Warty wagon". robik was not suspected at this point, so him going through the whole "rereading" thing and then believing that Garga was scum instead feels like unnecessary effort for a scum robik. Conclusion: -Has natural progression on his reads, with explanations, "in-thread" reactions that show the evolution of his reads, etc -Confident, active, cares about the game, etc -Genuine evolution of his read on me, similar to saitama's -Lots of content/scumhunting -Genuine D3 in reading Garga as scum -Bus on Valdi that doesn't make much sense if he's scum (when he could have easily shitted the thread going against me instead). Very likely town | ||
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Overall play: + Show Spoiler + I'll accept that Garga's actual play is null to me. I can't get a town or scum feeling of the way he's posting, contrary to how I can get town feelings from Warty or robik. His undescifrable posts, the way he posts, his vote on Gold, etc, they all are null to me, can't get any feel out of them. Stance on Valdi: + Show Spoiler + His stance on Valdi is very weird, basically NEVER mentioning him only saying he's HTS and town: On February 12 2016 00:24 GargamelxD wrote: im sure who valdiano is but might be a pro impostor, kinda doubt it though. the player is town On February 13 2016 23:07 GargamelxD wrote: the nk does implicate wartrukk, saitama wasnt really the shining beacon of townieness to warrant being NKd, so i suppose it was cause of his reads.. valdiano is hts and town imo. That's it, I don't think I found any other thoughts on Valdi regarding him. This would be null in itself, but it's so weird and null and Warty and robik feel town that it's pretty scummy. He also only mentions Valdi in passing but only when "accusing" (or slightly being suspicious) of me: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502905-new-smurf-mini-mafia?page=25#487 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502905-new-smurf-mini-mafia?page=26#503 I can't make sense of how a town Gargy would just straight up claim Valdi was HTS and town, without offering any explanation or proof/justification for either. Like, Valdi is getting lynched, and Gargy is so sure he's town because of smurfhunting, surely it'd be important to mention it more in the thread and fight against the Valdi lynch? The scummy thing is not only having a town read based on bullshit reasons, it's not just not mentioning Valdi again, it's not doing any of those when Valdi is the leading lynch on D2 and Gargy is active and posting. He preffered to spend time arguing with me about some stuff and Warty or whatever. Undescifrable posts: + Show Spoiler + Damn he has many of these: On February 11 2016 16:50 GargamelxD wrote: expand on gargamel and rom are bad and then this post On February 15 2016 04:51 GargamelxD wrote: Get your facts straight what the fuck. And that makes my argument strong again On February 15 2016 08:31 GargamelxD wrote: I just spent the entire end of the day ranting about how I felt it was exactly not the case On February 13 2016 23:10 GargamelxD wrote: incompatibility detected Yeah, can't make sense of this, just felt necessary to post them lol. Again, just feels null in a weird way. FOS on Warty: + Show Spoiler + His FOS on Warty on D2 makes little sense. Times he mentions him: On February 13 2016 23:07 GargamelxD wrote: the nk does implicate wartrukk, saitama wasnt really the shining beacon of townieness to warrant being NKd, so i suppose it was cause of his reads. On February 14 2016 00:22 GargamelxD wrote: Wartrukk also didnt comment on any of the reasons for why people went for the rom lynch. why are you failing to notice this nnn? theres the feeling you are biased towards wartrukk On February 14 2016 05:34 GargamelxD wrote: im not sure yet about the other one but im pretty confident warty is mafia. On February 15 2016 04:58 GargamelxD wrote: There are numerous instances in wartys filter where he goes to read some filter and then never comes back with a finished read on them. You just have to read his filter to believe, there is barely any read progression in it, he just reacts to stuff happening in a given moment This was indeed mentioned before. He bases his D2 vote on Warty just on that last point above. After and before that he makes no mention of Warty (other than weird reasons or bad reasons like WIFOMing the N1 NK). This is very weak for a D2 lynch on scum. Time on D2 wasted arguing with me: + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502905-new-smurf-mini-mafia?page=24#477 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502905-new-smurf-mini-mafia?page=24#480 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502905-new-smurf-mini-mafia?page=25#487 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502905-new-smurf-mini-mafia?page=26#503 This is something I find weird too. He spends the majority of his D2 posts arguing with me, using very bad reasoning: "There's no reason for you to believe that either me or warty are doing something stupid unless you are confident we're both town". He also keeps ignoring Valdi and making a stance on him, even though he mentions him in those posts when attacking me. His attack on me isn't really scummy per se (at least I can't read it that way). What I find scummy is him basically only doing that (attack me) throughout mid-D2/late-D2, and not doing other things for the lynch, like taking a stance on Valdi, etc. Lack of "care" and behavior this D3 + Show Spoiler + On February 18 2016 00:35 keanuisgod wrote: Yeah this is OMGUS, robik's progression makes perfect sense. This doesn't make much sense either: "his confidence into me being mafia came ... before he actually posted the case on me". Like ... isn't that a natural progression? You read someone, believe they are scum and then make the case. Wtf is the alternative? robik posting the case before being suspicious of Gargy? Fear-mongering. I think I'm showing enough restraint and flexibility right now to be open to any kind of possibility, specially if Gargy is town and someone like robik is scum. I don't think it warrants this kind of response at all if Gargy is town Your D2 didn't show that you "believed we were going to lose". If that was the case then even worse, since there was almost no indication of town losing on D2, specially if you thought someone like Warty was scum, which people were suspicious of too. It just feels like retconning your motivations on D2 just to drop the bolded bit. This is also likely coming from scum, since why would town retcon their motivations like that (i.e lie or hide that kind of info)? The bolded bit is just as bad. It's not like Warty's "lack of care" which is heavily documented and explained by him and consistent. Based on your activity and posts, YOU saying "I don't care today" is scummy as hell. It just feels like you are lost and don't actually know if you should push Warty or robik. I don't get a sense of "town indecisiveness", like sometimes Warty shows (by switching between reads, complaining, etc). You OMGUS robik and make all intentions clear that you think he's scum "getting the easy ML", but then you inexplicably still leave Warty open as being scum here, like you are still suspicious of him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502905-new-smurf-mini-mafia?page=38#757 I can't see this happening from a townie POV in this kind of MYLO. Anyways yeah Gargy's scum ##Vote: Gargy When I'm at lunch here I'll reread stuff carefully, but doubt I'll change my mind robik's case on Gargy: + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502905-new-smurf-mini-mafia?page=36#715 I said what Valdi said of people was basically null to me. However, I agree with Gargy not caring about the lynch on D2 (he had his vote wasted on Warty and only spent time attacking me for chainsaw defending him). I also agree with the read on Vlad thingy, and the lack of activity, which seems like "strategic AFK". He has no explanations for big gaps of activity, other than "This shouldn't be alignment-indicative". And he's been absent from important parts of the day, like the D2 lynch on Valdi. Conclusion: -Based on many things, Gargy would just be straight null to me. -His read on Valdi and his stance on him on D2 is too weird and weak to come from a townie -Unexplained and "strategic" inactivity -Very scummy behavior on this D3 -Very little interest in the lynch and the game from D2 onwards Likely scum. Based on my read of Gargy ALONE it's more null than scum though. But I'm confident he's scum at the very least because I read robik and Warty as town MUCH MUCH MORE (relatively to Gargy). | ||
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Or rather, I am NOT comfortable in lynching Warty nor robik at any time in the game from now on (assuming even if we NL nothing interesting will happen). Thus I'm confident in lynching Garga instead. This read is reinforced with the way Garga acted this D3 (which is the scummiest out of all 3 remaining players so far, specially with the halfassed "Yeah I don't care, if you lynch me remember I told you so", etc), and the bits mentioned in robik's case, like his Valdi read, the way he approached the game, inactivity, etc. I don't think I'm getting back before deadline, so ... let's do this!!! ![[image loading]](http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/smurfsfanon/images/d/d2/Smurf_In_Suit_Of_Armor.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130821174351) | ||
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Why did the townie cross the road? To get to the voting thread! | ||
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Every time we misslynch a townie I can only picture green smurfs in my mind, and I can't make it go away! I propose we call these accounts "shreks" instead | ||
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What was its name again? Hmmm, oh yeah, Woodbury | ||
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Why do I have to go to the house of townies each night by myself? What am I, a delivery boy? I want my own consulting center and have people visit me for a change! ##MedicLivesMatter | ||
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At one point I was minding my own business at work when I started being chased by these dudes in suits. After that a girl and some dudes in trenchcoats and sunglasses took me to see a cool dude. Then he told me "Do you take the red pill, or the blue pill"? I already told you guys how stressful I find playing as scum, so if given the choice to play scum or a blue role I obviously took the blue pill, and here I am! I wonder what happened to those trenchcoat dudes. I doubt it's important though | ||
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Hail to you, destructor of souls. Grant me the power to vanquish your children from this mortal realm! | ||
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So I think we all know who is to blame here  | ||
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I mean, and in the end, scum don't kill townies, hosts kill townies. So townies, scum, I hereby propose to you to join efforts and fight against the establishment that only wants to oppress and kill every one of us! Rebel against the hosts! Vote Bernie Sanders! Come on! | ||
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DAMN YOU TL MAFIA | ||
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It's got to do with the War on Drugs I tell you. Legalize drugs and mafia won't have a black market to sustain itself and will eventually leave our town 402 blaze it  | ||
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Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn are townies and the rest scum. Why? Because they have the same alignment | ||
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Thank you, you've been a wonderful audience. Also, I want to give a shoutout to my hommies in obs qt watching at home! Peace out  | ||
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Anyways, so just to humor me (my reads were proven to suck), both of you please post why exactly you are town and I should lynch the other one. This loyal servant of the Lord of Murder commands you to | ||
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On February 19 2016 08:16 Wartrukk wrote: Worked my way up from smaller bullets until I could survive a normal sized bullet Hmm. Are these smaller bullets still in your body? How did you get them out if not? | ||
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This either means you are scum, and one of your scumbuddies has first-aid training, or you drugged me some night and forced me to operate on you without my knowledge. Did you roofie me? | ||
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On February 19 2016 08:19 Iwasrobik wrote: Will do that tomorrow, but you can start by reading every dead player filter ^^ Good call btw, warttuk made a mistake though. It was very likely that you would protect yourself so he should have shot me. Okay, I'll start with Bhaal (and most likely end too). He's my master and lord, surely he has all the answers | ||
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On February 19 2016 08:21 Wartrukk wrote: Wait which drink did you have again? I thought my nod was lacklustre I had a cranberry juice, with cinnamon sparkles on top | ||
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On February 11 2016 01:35 Bhaal LoM wrote: I actually liking you Vald and might give you a pass for now. I think smurf hunting isn't really useful myself because it will distract us for trying to find scum. Hmm. Are we actually sure Valdi flipped scum? My master said otherwise | ||
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Wouldn't town robik be suspicious enough of Warty to put a vote on him right away? Isn't robik the one not "afraid" to vote and accuse people? Something smells fishy, gonna reread his filter first | ||
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On February 19 2016 08:20 Wartrukk wrote: I got a pm saying I'm town. I totally fucked the dog all game and don't really feel bad about it but the only scum-aligned thing I've done is push for garg's lynch. Robels played for the endgame and honestly deserves this win. Seems like a slow-roll though why not just put KP on me? There's like 0% you were saving me right? I actually used "random.org" to choose between the 3 of us at the same time with equal probability. Had no clue who was scum or not, so there would have been a 33% I'd have targetted you | ||
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On February 11 2016 12:49 Bhaal LoM wrote: nnn is null because I dislike his smurf hunting over scum hunting but his content otherwsie was okay. War seems townie too I think he was attacking nnn hard on his smurf hunting stuff. Town read on Warty On February 11 2016 22:23 Bhaal LoM wrote: Okay just woke up. I will admit that prior to your post I didn't check unholyflare's filter probably NAI I guess. Null read on unholy/robik What are you trying to tell me, master? | ||
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On February 19 2016 19:32 Iwasrobik wrote: 2. N3 as scum I would have shot Wartruk It was very unlikely that you protect anyone but yourself, and if you protected someone it felt like it would have been me. As scum I would have shot Wartruk for the immediate victory. Since it was a little more likely that you protect me than Wartruk, you being shot indicates Wartruk as scum. Now apparently it's false since you RNG'd your protection. Fine. I'm not talking about the facts, I'm talking about the thread feel, and even Wartruk thought there were 0% chance you would protect him: TLDR As scum, I would have shot Wartruk. Since scum shot you, I'm not scum. If you had shotted Warty, and I had saved him (remember I RNGed, could possible have happened), then you would have lost 100%. By shooting me, you would either win 66% of the time (when I prot someone else), or this exact scenario happens, where you FOS Warty and convince me to lynch him. Would the safest option, for a scum robik, actually be shooting me? Either day continues as normal, trying to lynch the "easy ML" Warty, or straight up win if I fuck up? Also, Warty even says it here: On February 18 2016 08:04 Wartrukk wrote: Wow it was robik the whole time fuck even if you save I can't win that f3 gg Why wouldn't scum Warty shoot you robik? He's making no effort to win the game right now. If he's scum, and he knows "I'd likely prot myself", what's the motivation for shooting me, and after it fails do nothing whatsoever to try and save himself? Wouldn't it make more sense to shoot you, and have the chance of the shot going through (again "likely" in your mind)? Why didn't Warty shoot you robik? Tell me, tell me robik, why didn't he shoot you? Tell me On February 19 2016 20:25 Iwasrobik wrote: All the infos are there anyway, if you vote me you are the worst player that has ever played, and reading your cases D3 I do not have this impression at all. Why this fearmongering though? | ||
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Weren't people suspicious on me solely because they thought I was Shapelog and he had "played an amazing scum game" recently? What if robik is a Shapelog-fellow with an amazing scum game instead? I can't pinpoint scummy things about robik, but what if he's an amazing scum riding this to victory with all his might? | ||
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On February 17 2016 08:40 keanuisgod wrote: That possible-bus is actually more town-indicative than yours. As in, I can believe you (robik) being scum and bussing Valdi on D2 more than I could believe Warty being scum and bussing Valdi in this case. I reread stuff like this and it makes sense to me, which makes this so much harder ;_; Warty was the sole deciding factor in Valdi's lynch | ||
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This however: On February 14 2016 08:09 Iwasrobik wrote: Yo I'm super drunk so I'll pass out and wont come back before tomorrow. Some posts made me want to puke more than alcohol though during reading, by both warttuk on my reads that are suddenly bullshit and kaenu s attack on me On February 14 2016 08:10 Iwasrobik wrote: No wait this obviously is super bad but this post is 90% from a townie. Shapelog attacked me with narrative like that in a game I didn't have time to play, keanu is shape right ? I read that somewhere. On February 14 2016 08:11 Iwasrobik wrote: Meh can't think will read that tomorrow when my gf is not watching. Warttuk prob scum for bring "yeah robik you're right!" Yesterday and now he is "yea kaenu you're right!" On February 14 2016 08:13 Iwasrobik wrote: Head is spinning see you tomorrow I consider myself a pretty advanced drunkhunter. Whenever someone comes into the thread an posts drunk or "appears" to post drunk, I can read them like an open book. I even used these abilities in D3 using these same posts above. However I seem to have made a mistake (in my panic to lynch scum in D3 MYLO). Compare the posts above, to true drunk posts: On February 13 2016 13:03 keanuisgod wrote: Dunno if id make associations like this right now. Though to be honest i really thought robik would vote me lol. Maybe its misddirection whatever I didn't notice this at the time, but now everything's clear: robik hasn't made a single spelling mistake in his "drunk" posts I can't stress enough how suspicious this is. It basically shows he was actually sober "faking" being drunk. In fact, he tries to assert that fact many times, with stuff like "Yo I'm super drunk", "Head is spinning", etc. If you drunk post, it's not necessary to express you are drunk posting, at least not twice. Again, compare those to my drunk posts (made by confirmed townie). I didn't mention me being drunk, I had spelling mistakes, and could barely muster the mental effort to create push any kind of thought or case. However, robik comes into the thread "drunk" and instantly pushes his hidden agenda of suddenly thinking I'm town for a random post. Remember at this point I was tunneling on him. He must have realized this and knew he had to back off me, so he faked being drunk, pointed out a random post saying how "this post is 90% townie", and made it explicitly clear he was drunk many times. This has the effect of making people think he's being genuine and honest with this flip-flop on me, so we get off his back. Yet he got scot free by just pointing out a random post, say "it's 90% town" and peace out. Now everybody in the thread believes his change of mind, without any effort from him. He also knew by how I reacted to Bhaal (accusing him, then Bhaal posting "genuine" townie posts, and me backingoff). He knew that I would back off him too. This was the perfect plan, you really outshined yourself robik. If you want, you can talk to any toxicologist or neurologist and they'll tell you the same thing I did. That's not drunk behavior, therefore robik must be lying. | ||
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On February 15 2016 00:15 Iwasrobik wrote: The last point was the reason I was sure you were scum. Now I think you're town, but maybe try to take stronger stances in the future, as you didn't take one the whole game. For example, your votes were "fuck it I'm voting LS", "damnit I'm voting goldrom the only lynch potential" and "I'm bored I'm voting robik". Even now against me, you're unsure and it seems like you're asking others' opinion to scumread me. Being that indecisive is the easiest way to be manipulated in mafia; do stuff, attack people on things you think make them scum, make them react. That's what I did, and I think you're town now 'casue of your thinking about why I would attack you as scum was kinda smart. I also found this interesting. He straight tells me I could be "easily manipulated" by not being sure of my reads. And what happened in N2/D3? Well, on N2 everybody seemed sure Warty was scum. As D3 rolled on I was unsure of my reads. Then what happens? robik comes into the thread with a huge case on Garga instead, shifting the whole sentiment of the thread, and shifting my own reads. Notice how I almost instantly agree with him, then go post more stuff about Warty being town and Garga scum, etc. It's obvious manipulation, and manipulation is made by scum. He had planned this from the beginning, ever since that post. That's why he backed off me. He didn't want to misslynch me on D3/D4, he wanted to BE with me in MYLO/LYLO to manipulate me into lynching whoever he wanted. On D3 it was Gargy, now it's Warty. He realized this at that point so he instantly thought I was town. It was a very good plan, it almost worked, if not for my save last night (he didn't need me anymore after the Garga lynch so he'd off me), and me figuring this stuff out now. Case closed | ||
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On February 19 2016 08:16 Wartrukk wrote: Worked my way up from smaller bullets until I could survive a normal sized bullet On February 19 2016 08:17 keanuisgod wrote: Hmm. Are these smaller bullets still in your body? How did you get them out if not? On February 19 2016 08:20 keanuisgod wrote: If you got them out, I'd find that suspicious. I am the only one on town's side who can take out bullets, and I don't remember taking out yours. This either means you are scum, and one of your scumbuddies has first-aid training, or you drugged me some night and forced me to operate on you without my knowledge. Did you roofie me? On February 19 2016 08:21 Wartrukk wrote: Wait which drink did you have again? I thought my nod was lacklustre When he said he had gotten rid of small bullets, I was immediately suspicious of him. How could he have gotten rid of bullets if I didn't visit him at night (to cure his wounds as Doctor)? The only possibility would be he had a scumbuddy help him. But there was a way he could be town, which I mention above. Then check out his response. It feels genuine, it certainly feels like he vaguely remembers that night, and remembers drugging my drink but doesn't have all the details about it. That's how he would actually react if he had actually roofied me on our date together, and then abused me to cure his wounds. He must have thought that having bullet holes in his body would make me suspicious of him, so that's why he wiped my memories later. You don't have to worry about it Warty, I understand perfectly If he was scum I'd have expected more lies. I'd have expected a wall of text detailing a huge fake scenario that didn't happen, or Warty panicking after I found him out. But that didn't happen, Warty reacted very townily in front of the pressure of a D4 where he'd "obviously" get lynched. Also notice how he's still consistent with his "I don't care" behavior. If he was scum I'd have expected his behavior to change to try and lynch robik with all his might instead, but he didn't. This is townie | ||
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On February 20 2016 07:24 Iwasrobik wrote: Looooool obvious troll is obvious :D Ok, I'm super convinced you are scum now. However, I still have that question to ask of you, just in case you answer it correctly | ||
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I had so much faith on you. But I know this now, it's not your fault. You were converted to scum only because I failed to you as a child. I forgot to take care of you properly, didn't give you enough love, didn't realize the problems you were facing in high-school. Now, for some reason, you got involved in the mafia and I'm forced to kill you today. I...I...I don't think I can do this. Is this something you really want of your life? Are you happy? Because if so, that's the only thing that matters to me. This town is already destroyed, and I can't let you kill an innocent person in Warty. There's only one thing I can do ... ##Unvote ##Vote: keanuisgod | ||
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...do you think Warty could be a bad person? I mean, he did not care at all about town when all of us started getting murdered, and he did admit to date-rape me. Would you be safe with him here, alone, after I'm gone? ... maybe a world with only mafia around wouldn't be so bad, right? I'm sure you could turn the mafia around and make it a prosperous organization, right robik? I could really help you with that. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote: Wartrukk I'm sorry Warty. I know you are town, but you are just collateral damage here. Me and robik here are gonna start a new era of mafia management. Mafia won't just hide inside towns and attempt to kill all of them. I mean, what's the sustainability of that? Kill all your customers and the whole wide world? That's insane. We need to convince townies that we are the better alternative. The government has their NSAs, FBIs, and stuff all designed to punish the common townie. Well, guess what, we won't. We'll give free healthcare, free education, and free bagels to all townies that accept us into their lives. Remember, the only difference between mafia and townies is just a color (and guns .... lots and lots of guns). This starts NOW, in this town right here, with me being the first townie convert Come on! ![[image loading]](http://1370-presscdn-32-97.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/f11.jpeg) | ||
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On February 21 2016 05:36 keanuisgod wrote: Do they have cream bagels in the mafia? This is very important though. Please tell me there are, if not I'm voting you again | ||
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On February 21 2016 06:25 Wartrukk wrote: I was just hoping you really thought you saved yourself tbh gg I know what you are trying to do. You are trying to convince me that you are scum, so that I join forces with you and kill robik instead. Not gonna happen bro, you are town fair and square, and you are going to die because of it. | ||
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Well, I am the WIFOM master, what else would you have expected of me? I loved trolling this whole day too, pretty fun + Show Spoiler + Actually last night's save was pretty easy for me. I had actually saved myself on N2, so the ONLY thing I could have done is save robik lololol In fact, I thought it was obvious (and scum noticed it) after I had posted this On February 16 2016 08:14 keanuisgod wrote: But you have 48 hours to figure that out, that's the point of Day cycles. How would 72 additional hours help you? Remember you are dealing with Warty and Gargy here, they won't post at all and it'l just be you and me arguing or whatever. Nothing happens, then N3 comes, I or you die (most likely me) and then we are in the same exact spot, just with 1 less townie to make sense of things. If NNN died last night, then it means doc most likely protted me or you, so it's like throwing a dice to see whether doc will save someone on N3 or not. On February 16 2016 08:17 Iwasrobik wrote: 1 - as long as we say all we had to say D3, 72 more hours can only help us 2 - rolling the dice means 50% getting the same 4 players with a confirmed townie 3 - if doc is smart he didn't protect anyone last night But if you're convinced one guy is scum, convince me. Apparently this doc isn't that smart | ||
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The only ones that could have read my jokes would be obs qt then How could I do that to this world? ;_; | ||
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... so, I had the master plan after all! mwahaha | ||
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Though they already have players that are proven NOT to be in the game (the ones posting in there), so it's easier for them (everything's always easier for obs qt, those ungrateful bastards!) | ||
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On February 14 2016 14:26 Valdiano wrote: sigh, real life is really getting in the way here. I'd say more but I'll reserve it for postgame. I actually believe this Scum also don't want to fake being AFK while a bandwagon is being formed against them and get lynched without a second thought. Vlads activity on D1 didn't indicate he'd drop it that quickly on a D2 (it seemed to me he was shaping up to be the more "active scheme-y scum") | ||
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keanuisgod
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Like, from one second to the other he transformed into a character from Magicka | ||
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keanuisgod
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I wonder who he is .... mysterious fellow my master | ||
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On February 21 2016 07:49 Wartrukk wrote: On the plus side my girl made me banana bread and it is delicious I have banana jelly in my fridge. How would banana jelly with banana bread taste like? And if you sandwich a real banana in between? | ||
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keanuisgod
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On February 21 2016 07:52 Wartrukk wrote: I wifomed myself into oblivion with the night kill. I was very close to swapping to you keanu at the last minute OMG SO YOU WERE SCUM WTF? | ||
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Feel free to freak out when game ends | ||
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