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Iwasrobik
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Iwasrobik
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Iwasrobik
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On February 11 2016 11:25 keanuisgod wrote: I always found that "tunneling" mechanic weird, in a philosophical sense. How can you push the lynch for someone, specially on D1, with so little knowledge? How can you be sure he's scum? How can you make your posts reflect this? Should you convince yourself that you are sure he's scum, just so your posts reflect that and you can get the lynch more smoothly? Or do you keep the doubt (that he might be town) in your heart, and in the thread pretend you are really sure? If you post your doubts and concerns then people will jump at you and said lynch may not go through (or they may FOS you). However, if you "lie", then the lynch might go through without a hitch. But ... aren't you lying to yourself there? If the dude actually flips town, wouldn't you have wanted someone to confirm your concerns so you wouldn't have lynch a townie? How can you live with the guilt in that case? Even in the case the dude flips scum, how can you take this risk, every single game, where at some point he might flip town and you'll have to face this guilt eventually? What is it that you ought to do? Mafia is hard yo LOL I never properly read this and it is AWESOME ^^ | ||
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keanuisgod
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Iwasrobik
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On February 12 2016 06:28 Bhaal LoM wrote: Who is LS? I never heard of him honestly. Like I said I haven't played since 2013. Is he a good or bad player? On February 12 2016 06:29 Bhaal LoM wrote: BTW I don't even know what LS even means o.o HAHAHAHAHA HOW COULD I MISS THAT ITS EVEN BETTER THAN THE FIRST ONE | ||
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Iwasrobik
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Iwasrobik
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On February 15 2016 08:33 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: I don't know what you are trying to say here. yep I didn't understand that either | ||
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keanuisgod
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Who said scum have to kill townies and townies have to kill scum, huh? Is it in the Bible? No, then why follow the rules at all? Fuck the police | ||
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Iwasrobik
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keanuisgod
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![[image loading]](http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/smurfs/images/0/05/Doctor_Smurf_Comic_Book.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20111101135814) I kind of wanted to see Warty/Gargy fake-claim first (thinking the other one was medic or something), but oh well, Gargy knows by now it is me so even if he's scum he knows what to claim already Gargy, you are too boring  + Show Spoiler + inb4 Gargy was faking inactivity for so long so he was the last one to claim so he could see all other claims and fake-claim as he pleased. E.g if Warty claimed doc he'd claim Doc to try and misslynch him (he wouldn't survive against Doc me or Doc robik if he'd claim VT), but if Warty claims VT he'd claim VT too, etc | ||
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keanuisgod
271 Posts
On February 17 2016 08:01 Iwasrobik wrote: True p: but I'm pretty convinced Garga is scum so actually ... let's play. Just got home from work so I guess let's do it. But damn, there are just so few filters with so little posts to read, I don't think I could ever muster up the strength to do so. | ||
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Iwasrobik
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Iwasrobik
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On February 17 2016 08:06 keanuisgod wrote: Just got home from work so I guess let's do it. But damn, there are just so few filters with so little posts to read, I don't think I could ever muster up the strength to do so. Just sit back and relax, I have everything you need coming in like 10 minutes. | ||
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keanuisgod
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Iwasrobik
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The main reason: Vlad's interactions Here is the ONLY mention of Garga in Vald's filter: On February 11 2016 23:31 Valdiano wrote: overall on the part of lynching lurkers, going to hunt for scum first, or discuss things that look questionable before falling back on a lurker, generally how I roll. if I had to lynch any of the severely low content posters for uselessness right now, I'd say that 77Gold would "win" over unholyflare, if only for unholyflare making that one slight observation. garg is okay to me. Once, he's mentioned because it's a post about lurkers; and it's a slight townlean without explanations, which is partner indicative. In comparaison, here is how Vlad' interactions with Kaenu makes Kaenu likely town: + Show Spoiler + Questions / interactions with him On February 11 2016 01:14 Valdiano wrote: so there's a few things I don't like about this reading your filter or that I don't understand. You are discussing the effects of nnn's scumhunting in this first quote but you are dismissing it as banter. what makes you think this presumably isn't alignment indicative? And Wartruk: + Show Spoiler + Questions / interactions with him On February 11 2016 23:24 Valdiano wrote: another point that I feel needs some clarification - this sounds like mindmeld to me, which people from their perspective, view as towny, so why is he still null? just wondering. also if you can further discuss saita, that might be great. he's the one active player I'm having difficulty understanding. Scumread with reasonning on him On February 11 2016 00:54 Valdiano wrote: wartrokk - didn't like his opening post because the usa vs europe thing is obviously not scummy. his filer padding post, without knowing who he is, I think I know what he actually meant by that, but obv not going to put words in his mouth. (if it's what I think he meant, it's nai) The gist of his post is that he's skeptical and whoever the player is, it is possible this person just doesn't metaread people, he's in the clear as long as he's not scumreading someone for something that isn't alignment indicative. if wartrokk can explain why the way nnn is smurf hunting is scummy then I would feel a little better about his alignment. his final post didn't reach an absolute conclusion on nnn despite their ongoing conversation. regardless of who he was, he should have been able to do so. right now, it's a scumlean without a concrete conclusion And Saitama: + Show Spoiler + Questions / interactions with him On February 11 2016 01:02 Valdiano wrote: this post is difficult to understand. if I understand it correctly this is a bad post. if this is the definition you believe then why are you sure that this couldn't come from scum? omgus can come from either alignment. second if you are suggesting the play is more often town then why are you suggesting that they have not progressed from null? what is the conditional element that could make them scum (implied by your first sentence in the final quote, correct)? Plus a scumread on him which you probably all remember, I'm tired of writing these spoilers. Even unholyflare got a small reason for his read: + Show Spoiler + On February 11 2016 23:31 Valdiano wrote: if I had to lynch any of the severely low content posters for uselessness right now, I'd say that 77Gold would "win" over unholyflare, if only for unholyflare making that one slight observation. Vlad's interactions with others makes Wartruk and Kaenu very unlikely partners, and Garga a likely partner. The secondary reasons 1. The activity and lack of excuse for AFK Garga's activity is indicative of scum; no posts during long stretches of time where scum has no interest posting. He has 1 post N1 and 2 posts N2, and nights are periods where scum doesn't feel the need to post. Furthermore, these AFK periods are not explained. This is scum indicative, as townie are waaaaay more likely to explain WHY they weren't there for some time than scum, like Wartruk did for example. Again, that seems dumb but it is true. It was true for Vlad, it is true for Garga. Lastly, he seems to have given up right now, which is a scum indicator, especially right after a scum lynch. 2. No interest in the lynch Garga and Vlad were the two players not posting the hour before deadline on both D1 and D2. Gold did it too but he clearly gave up the game, and probably would have been replaced if not lynched. If Wartruk was not around the D2 deadline, we would not even have been able to lynch Vlad. 3. His read on Vlad On February 12 2016 00:24 GargamelxD wrote: im sure who valdiano is but might be a pro impostor, kinda doubt it though. the player is town  On February 13 2016 23:07 GargamelxD wrote: the nk does implicate wartrukk, saitama wasnt really the shining beacon of townieness to warrant being NKd, so i suppose it was cause of his reads.. valdiano is hts and town imo. That's it. No comment on any of the two cases made on him. So who is the last scum ? Garga | ||
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Iwasrobik
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Iwasrobik
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keanuisgod
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If he didn't, we'd have NLed, Valdi would have lived and he could have come right as N2 started saying how "the lynch sucked" and whatever. He had all possible outs (as scum) to save his buddy without any repercussion on him. He could have either NOT shown up, or he could have just said "I already said Valdi is town and Gargy scum, I'm not switching" and parked his vote on Gargy. With a NL and Valdi alive, Valdi just has to turn up on with a half-assed excuse with a placeholder on someone and then start activity on N2-D3. It'd be 3v2 D3 LYLO then, and it'd be much easier for Warty/Valdi scum to misslynch a townie (since there's 1 less townie). That possible-bus is actually more town-indicative than yours. As in, I can believe you (robik) being scum and bussing Valdi on D2 more than I could believe Warty being scum and bussing Valdi in this case. Had forgotten about that, nice find. | ||
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keanuisgod
271 Posts
Most of what Warty does is consistent with the above, and not scummy in itself. My main problems were the lack of care and the D1 lynch-apparition. I guess I can see town motivations behind both (I lied, I can't see town motivation behind the lack of care .... but whatever I guess I just have to be skeptic about that now). This got interesting again. Have to reread Gargy specifically though, might take a while (they say this Better Call Saul episode is pretty good, can't miss it!) | ||
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keanuisgod
271 Posts
On February 17 2016 08:40 keanuisgod wrote: Hmm, I forgot about Warty's switch to Valdi on D2. He was indeed very active at deadline, in his own "style". Valdi already had 2 votes by then with me basically saying I'd sheep onto it if I hadn't found anything. Warty had already placed his vote on Gargy, so if Warty was scum, wouldn't it make much more sense to NOT show up until after D2 ends? If he didn't, we'd have NLed, Valdi would have lived and he could have come right as N2 started saying how "the lynch sucked" and whatever. He had all possible outs (as scum) to save his buddy without any repercussion on him. He could have either NOT shown up, or he could have just said "I already said Valdi is town and Gargy scum, I'm not switching" and parked his vote on Gargy. With a NL and Valdi alive, Valdi just has to turn up on with a half-assed excuse with a placeholder on someone and then start activity on N2-D3. It'd be 3v2 D3 LYLO then, and it'd be much easier for Warty/Valdi scum to misslynch a townie (since there's 1 less townie). That possible-bus is actually more town-indicative than yours. As in, I can believe you (robik) being scum and bussing Valdi on D2 more than I could believe Warty being scum and bussing Valdi in this case. Had forgotten about that, nice find. And if that was a super-bus by scum Warty, I am sure this would have turned up much sooner, most likely from scum Warty using it to defend himself. If that was a bus planned by Valdi and Warty, then surely Warty would HAVE to use it now. He would have sacrificed his partner (when it was much easier to save him), and until N3 everybody wanted Warty dead, so he SHOULD have mentioned it as some point as scum to try and survive this D3. | ||
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