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keanuisgod
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Wartrukk
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On February 17 2016 08:30 Iwasrobik wrote: Garga is the last scum and here is why. The main reason: Vlad's interactions Here is the ONLY mention of Garga in Vald's filter: Once, he's mentioned because it's a post about lurkers; and it's a slight townlean without explanations, which is partner indicative. In comparaison, here is how Vlad' interactions with Kaenu makes Kaenu likely town: + Show Spoiler + Questions / interactions with him On February 11 2016 01:14 Valdiano wrote: so there's a few things I don't like about this reading your filter or that I don't understand. You are discussing the effects of nnn's scumhunting in this first quote but you are dismissing it as banter. what makes you think this presumably isn't alignment indicative? And Wartruk: + Show Spoiler + Questions / interactions with him On February 11 2016 23:24 Valdiano wrote: another point that I feel needs some clarification - this sounds like mindmeld to me, which people from their perspective, view as towny, so why is he still null? just wondering. also if you can further discuss saita, that might be great. he's the one active player I'm having difficulty understanding. Scumread with reasonning on him On February 11 2016 00:54 Valdiano wrote: wartrokk - didn't like his opening post because the usa vs europe thing is obviously not scummy. his filer padding post, without knowing who he is, I think I know what he actually meant by that, but obv not going to put words in his mouth. (if it's what I think he meant, it's nai) The gist of his post is that he's skeptical and whoever the player is, it is possible this person just doesn't metaread people, he's in the clear as long as he's not scumreading someone for something that isn't alignment indicative. if wartrokk can explain why the way nnn is smurf hunting is scummy then I would feel a little better about his alignment. his final post didn't reach an absolute conclusion on nnn despite their ongoing conversation. regardless of who he was, he should have been able to do so. right now, it's a scumlean without a concrete conclusion And Saitama: + Show Spoiler + Questions / interactions with him On February 11 2016 01:02 Valdiano wrote: this post is difficult to understand. if I understand it correctly this is a bad post. if this is the definition you believe then why are you sure that this couldn't come from scum? omgus can come from either alignment. second if you are suggesting the play is more often town then why are you suggesting that they have not progressed from null? what is the conditional element that could make them scum (implied by your first sentence in the final quote, correct)? Plus a scumread on him which you probably all remember, I'm tired of writing these spoilers. Even unholyflare got a small reason for his read: + Show Spoiler + On February 11 2016 23:31 Valdiano wrote: if I had to lynch any of the severely low content posters for uselessness right now, I'd say that 77Gold would "win" over unholyflare, if only for unholyflare making that one slight observation. Vlad's interactions with others makes Wartruk and Kaenu very unlikely partners, and Garga a likely partner. The secondary reasons 1. The activity and lack of excuse for AFK Garga's activity is indicative of scum; no posts during long stretches of time where scum has no interest posting. He has 1 post N1 and 2 posts N2, and nights are periods where scum doesn't feel the need to post. Furthermore, these AFK periods are not explained. This is scum indicative, as townie are waaaaay more likely to explain WHY they weren't there for some time than scum, like Wartruk did for example. Again, that seems dumb but it is true. It was true for Vlad, it is true for Garga. Lastly, he seems to have given up right now, which is a scum indicator, especially right after a scum lynch. 2. No interest in the lynch Garga and Vlad were the two players not posting the hour before deadline on both D1 and D2. Gold did it too but he clearly gave up the game, and probably would have been replaced if not lynched. If Wartruk was not around the D2 deadline, we would not even have been able to lynch Vlad. 3. His read on Vlad That's it. No comment on any of the two cases made on him. So who is the last scum ? Garga I would add the mindless shit flinging toward me where he doesn't even know what he's calling me scum for before he posts On February 14 2016 00:13 GargamelxD wrote: he also said the rom wagon looked like shit, was that after his flip`? which was posted after he posts this: On February 13 2016 23:10 GargamelxD wrote: incompatibility detected Which means he read my filter but never looked at any posts in context. He obviously didn't read the end of day in order either. He was looking for reasons to scumread me before he read the thread. | ||
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keanuisgod
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Would you have anything more in-depth regarding your read on robik? Anyways, you guys are lucky you have one less suspect to choose from. Shit is hard for confirmed townies yo ;_; (I know Gargy hasn't claimed but fuck it i'm confirmed and nobody will tell me otherwise) | ||
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keanuisgod
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GargamelxD
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keanuisgod
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On February 17 2016 14:13 GargamelxD wrote: why did you claim medic? If we no lynched youd have had another night to prot --_- I can still prot myself or robik (or you or Warty) on an hypothetical N3 (if we happen to NL). Claiming has nothing to do with that. Also, I guess this means I'm confirmed town bitches! | ||
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rsoultin
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Vote Count GargamelxD (2): Wartrukk, Iwasrobik Not Voting (2): keanuisgod, GargamelxD At this time, no one is slated to be lynched. With 4 alive it takes 3 votes to lynch Day 1 ends in on 23:00 GMT (+00:00). The voting thread is here Only votes there will be counted. | ||
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keanuisgod
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On February 17 2016 08:30 Iwasrobik wrote: Garga is the last scum and here is why. The main reason: Vlad's interactions Here is the ONLY mention of Garga in Vald's filter: Once, he's mentioned because it's a post about lurkers; and it's a slight townlean without explanations, which is partner indicative. In comparaison, here is how Vlad' interactions with Kaenu makes Kaenu likely town: + Show Spoiler + Questions / interactions with him On February 11 2016 01:14 Valdiano wrote: so there's a few things I don't like about this reading your filter or that I don't understand. You are discussing the effects of nnn's scumhunting in this first quote but you are dismissing it as banter. what makes you think this presumably isn't alignment indicative? And Wartruk: + Show Spoiler + Questions / interactions with him On February 11 2016 23:24 Valdiano wrote: another point that I feel needs some clarification - this sounds like mindmeld to me, which people from their perspective, view as towny, so why is he still null? just wondering. also if you can further discuss saita, that might be great. he's the one active player I'm having difficulty understanding. Scumread with reasonning on him On February 11 2016 00:54 Valdiano wrote: wartrokk - didn't like his opening post because the usa vs europe thing is obviously not scummy. his filer padding post, without knowing who he is, I think I know what he actually meant by that, but obv not going to put words in his mouth. (if it's what I think he meant, it's nai) The gist of his post is that he's skeptical and whoever the player is, it is possible this person just doesn't metaread people, he's in the clear as long as he's not scumreading someone for something that isn't alignment indicative. if wartrokk can explain why the way nnn is smurf hunting is scummy then I would feel a little better about his alignment. his final post didn't reach an absolute conclusion on nnn despite their ongoing conversation. regardless of who he was, he should have been able to do so. right now, it's a scumlean without a concrete conclusion And Saitama: + Show Spoiler + Questions / interactions with him On February 11 2016 01:02 Valdiano wrote: this post is difficult to understand. if I understand it correctly this is a bad post. if this is the definition you believe then why are you sure that this couldn't come from scum? omgus can come from either alignment. second if you are suggesting the play is more often town then why are you suggesting that they have not progressed from null? what is the conditional element that could make them scum (implied by your first sentence in the final quote, correct)? Plus a scumread on him which you probably all remember, I'm tired of writing these spoilers. Even unholyflare got a small reason for his read: + Show Spoiler + On February 11 2016 23:31 Valdiano wrote: if I had to lynch any of the severely low content posters for uselessness right now, I'd say that 77Gold would "win" over unholyflare, if only for unholyflare making that one slight observation. Vlad's interactions with others makes Wartruk and Kaenu very unlikely partners, and Garga a likely partner. I'm revisiting Valdi's mentions of Warty: + Show Spoiler + On February 11 2016 00:54 Valdiano wrote: wartrokk - didn't like his opening post because the usa vs europe thing is obviously not scummy. his filer padding post, without knowing who he is, I think I know what he actually meant by that, but obv not going to put words in his mouth. (if it's what I think he meant, it's nai) The gist of his post is that he's skeptical and whoever the player is, it is possible this person just doesn't metaread people, he's in the clear as long as he's not scumreading someone for something that isn't alignment indicative. if wartrokk can explain why the way nnn is smurf hunting is scummy then I would feel a little better about his alignment. his final post didn't reach an absolute conclusion on nnn despite their ongoing conversation. regardless of who he was, he should have been able to do so. right now, it's a scumlean without a concrete conclusion This is complete wiffle-waffle, conjuring a "scumlean" out of thing air but giving himself a lot of ways out in the bolded. He does talk a little bit too much about him if he's his scumbuddy, but it's NAI (for Warty) in terms of associations for me. On February 11 2016 23:24 Valdiano wrote: another point that I feel needs some clarification - this sounds like mindmeld to me, which people from their perspective, view as towny, so why is he still null? just wondering. also if you can further discuss saita, that might be great. he's the one active player I'm having difficulty understanding. Can't see how he couldn't have asked this mild easy question to a scumbuddy Warty On February 14 2016 14:26 Valdiano wrote: wartruckk's end of day comments - the wagon being trash makes no sense but at that time it's not like his vote would have done anything anyhow. Waffle-ruffles again. Apparently attacks him but instantly gives him an out with the bolded. NAI of Warty either Of course we have the almost null mentions of Gargy, robik and unholy. I can't find anything incriminating of Warty, nor Gargy nor unholy/robik in Valdi's posts. His lackluster posts (in terms of reads, stances, etc) and lack of activity means he couldn't have implicated anybody of the remaining players. For me this part is null and should not be considered in any Gargy scumread (or something else if we all change our minds again on a whim or something) + Show Spoiler + Also on hindsight Valdi's posts are scummy as fuck yeah specially this: On February 11 2016 00:54 Valdiano wrote: reading. most people so far are playing nai. the smurf hunting, I see why it's happening but would rather focus on actual scum hunting. Posts about "focusing on scumhunting" and then does none of it. Red red flag. I'm mending my D2 to scumreading him: ##Vote: Valdiano Pheww, crisis averted | ||
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GargamelxD
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keanuisgod
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On February 17 2016 14:41 GargamelxD wrote: ill take my time to decide for myself whether its robik or warty before the night. In the meantime we should no lynch anyway, so im voting that. I think it's also a good idea to convince everybody else why it is not you. If you can't, then I don't think we'll be seeing N3 anytime soon. Also, right before "deciding for yourself", post quickly what is your first reaction towards a possible scum. I don't really want to read a wall of text of yours 15 hours from now which is premeditated and stuff, I want to reach inside your brain right now and pick whatever is in there up, to figure out if it's legit or not. If you had to pick scum right now, who would it be? You were sure it was Warty on D2 (many of us were). Have you read the thread until now? If so, how have your stances shifted ONLY based on what you've read so far? Caught anything interesting that made you doubt your read (and that's why you want to "decide for yourself")? If you haven't read the thread until now, then still post what you think makes one of robik/Warty scum (which would have info from <N2). If you are unsure, post why too. | ||
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GargamelxD
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As for Robik I need to see if hes trying to rush this lynch which would be scummy cause in his position its the obvious thing mafia would do when he hasnt been under flak and has me and warty to choose from for the ML. Not much else coming to mind right now cause I still need to do the reread. | ||
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keanuisgod
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First interaction with the thread: + Show Spoiler + On February 10 2016 08:20 Wartrukk wrote:  On February 10 2016 08:24 Wartrukk wrote: That's pretty scummy tbh On February 10 2016 08:35 Wartrukk wrote: Fecalfeast has canada on his profile so you calling it 'the US' leads me to believe you're from europe. I'm thinking scum On February 10 2016 10:40 Wartrukk wrote: So saying you're going to out smurfs, I say I think that's scummy (I still do) and after you go about trying to out smurfs you come back to my post and say "Joke phase lol" Yeah, I'm the one fabricating reads, right? On February 10 2016 10:55 Wartrukk wrote: You're getting a lot out of 3 words and an acronym lol The real scumstrat, however, would be padding your filter with what basically boils down to setup discussion since people aren't allowed to confirmw hether you're correct on them. What is the town-favoured strat to outing smurfs, though? That's something I can't figure out, not like you can use meta without a seed of doubt since you can't ever confirm you're correct. I already mentioned this, but as SOON as the game starts (2 minutes in) he's posting, and actively interacting with me and NNN. I've rarely seen scum do this, usually game starts, you have your role PM and you go to your QT, meet your buddies, etc, and are not in the mood to post that actively at the start of D1, specially not with "content" that could be used against you later. For instance, the almost instant suspicions he has of NNN based on the "smurfhunting" thing. In the end, him being suspicious of NNN is not really AI. Like saita said it was just "bad", which likely comes from townies, since it already puts the spotlight onto them. Those posts usually come from townies because they always generate a townie to FOS you back with them, like 90% of the time (like it happened in this game). That's unnecessary attention and spotlight on scum 10 minutes into the game. I only see confident aggressive scum do that sort of thing, which wouldn't seem to be Warty's profile this game. Warty's attitude this game: + Show Spoiler + Warty's game so far seems to be not reading the thread and not caring much about the game, but his attitude doesn't show a hidden agenda behind it, nor any attempt to hide behind that apathy. Like I said above, he comes right into the game interacting and posting suspicions (that surely are made in "let's throw stuff and see what sticks") A better example is something like this: On February 13 2016 09:07 Wartrukk wrote: I will read valdiano's filter since he's getting a lot of flak If Warty is scumbuddies with Valdi, who is on his way to get lynched (or at least is close having 2 votes already), then it means people asked him to post his thoughts on him, he promised to read his filter, but then didn't and was upfront about it. This would take quite some balls as scum, since it would obviously feel scummy to the rest of the players to promise a read on the other scum and then NOT posting it. However in Warty's case it feels natural, he doesn't give a shit about reading Valdi's filter as he doesn't give a shit about reading other cases and other filters. I can't feel any sort of change in behavior regarding Valdi specifically and other players, which I think would happen (at the very least slightly) if Warty was scum. After all, he HAS to have a plan or agenda as scumbuddies with Valdi, even if it means "Ignore Valdi this D2", and it would have to be shown somehow in his behavior and posts, which I don't seem to find. Before D2 deadline: + Show Spoiler + On February 15 2016 05:45 Wartrukk wrote: Right now I'm thinking robik and garg is the most likely scumteam On February 15 2016 07:20 Wartrukk wrote: Hm, should I switch so scum can't last minute hammer or what? Probably On February 15 2016 07:28 Wartrukk wrote: How can I be confident in my reads if I've hardly been reading the thread? On February 15 2016 07:30 Wartrukk wrote: My strongest scumread, garga, is off the wagon and voting me. robik is a sheep read and valdi I don't remember giving a townread but he's been afk 100 years hasn't he? Warty was here 40m before deadline, was active and interacted with pretty much everybody. His "I didn't read filters or the thread" attitude was consistent with what he posted. He had confirmed not reading Valdi's filter, and to him (and even to me) he was just some dude that is AFK he didn't have an opinion on. On February 15 2016 07:53 Wartrukk wrote: Off the top of my head 'he posted a few times day 1 and I liked the posts at the time' I'll have a gander at his filter if you want but if you think I'm scum I don't see the point since I would just use TMI and make a case calling him his true alignment Even after making the switch, he still doesn't have a very defined position on Valdi. If he's a scum bussing his mate for "cred", when he could have easily saved him (by not switching or even showing up at deadline), then this would feel very very weird. He's not taking a stance on his scumbuddy, making his switch even appear "bad" (if you look at it in hindsight), basically rendering the bus for town cred pointless. And again, I don't feel any sense of urgency or any "plan in action" with his posts here. He just responds to people casually, etc. It doesn't feel like a Valdi+Warty scumteam master-plan. Remember Valdi ninja-voted right before deadline, so if Warty is scum it means the whole scumteam was active right before deadline, thus anything they were doing was more likely planned and being talked about. Warty's actions are not consistent with a "scum plan" like that, specially one in which one mafia dies because the other mafia decides his lynch (instead of saving him) by switching to him 20 minutes before the lynch. It also shows he is interested in the lynch at least, even if he doesn't really have an opinion on Valdi. Apathy/"Inactivity": + Show Spoiler + On February 13 2016 06:15 Wartrukk wrote: I can't believe every time i get town I get swamped witg work stuff. Have you figured out valdi's identity, NNN, or is there a case on him that i skipped? Who is iwasrobik is that another replace? On February 15 2016 07:38 Wartrukk wrote: Right, first 12 hours I was here at deadline and having a fun time. Next morning I'm swamped with work and can only manage a few phone posts except the couple hopurs I was on the PC. What am I going to do when I have very little downtime? a) read filters or b)play videogames. + Show Spoiler + it's b I don't like it, but at least he posted the reasoning behind his inactivity/lack of care (which again, was consistent at least), and it makes sense with how he played the game I guess. D1 he was excited about playing the game and somewhat active, like he even shows here: On February 10 2016 11:39 Wartrukk wrote: Saying hello: "I am in thread the moment game started because I am excited to play a smurf game" Zzz emoticon: "Post more because this is the time where I can be active" But then he has lots of work, so he has less free time to read (and just to skim what's being posted and interact with people). It's also worth it to consider that Warty has quite activity, with 6 pages of filter. Compare it to Garga's 2 pages of filter for instance. I noticed Warty doesn't show up for some patches of time, but when he does he posts quite a bunch, specially responses to questions, interacting with what other people are posting, posting his half-baked reads, etc. Again, he has 6 pages of filter but manages to be here for a (relatively) short while. I find those high bursts of activity townie, since they are consistent with the story he's presenting (busy for quite a while, but at times has a short period of time he can be in the thread), plus it shows he is HERE in the thread without having stuff to hide. Again, his posts are oddly consistent for the burst of activity he has where he does post his ramblings and thoughts (which are mostly about confusions of his), etc. Another example are posts like these: On February 16 2016 07:58 Wartrukk wrote: I'm probably just omgusing because of how hard robik is pushing but garga has been afk all night phase and since I'm the one you nerds are mad at and he was pushing me all day yesterday he's probably who I will end up voting if robik gets off my sack inb4 I'm just agreeing with whoever is talking at the time These feel like Warty just posting whatever is on his mind, in this case getting suspicious of robik because robik is pushing him too hard, then backing down, etc. It feels directionless, at least if he's scum. I don't really picture a scum acting this way, unless it is intentional (but it still feels too genuine for it to be faked IMO). Conclusion: - Warty's actions on the D2 lynch make no sense if he's scum with Valdi - There is a reason for Warty's excitement on early D1 but apathy to read the game later on (even if I don't like it) - Warty is very consistent with his thought process and lack of info/knowledge about the game. I don't feel like there are points where he "knows" more than he shows us, or that he's faking some of his "idgaf posts" - For the small time he's in the thread, he has 6 pages of filter and high bursts of activity which would be rather difficult to match as scum, specially the small talk where he just vomits his thoughts/confusions/etc and interacts with people - Warty engages with people throughout the whole game, and doesn't appear like he has something to hide in those moments I'm somewhat wary because of the lack of reading the game/etc, and because of the thing I found scummy on D1. But the above kind of trump that (specially the D2 lynch stuff), so I'm gonna say town | ||
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keanuisgod
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Kind of feel like Garga is scum just by default right now, but want to go through the whole bureaucratic process and shit just to be fair and safe. (also, I couldn't watch Better Call Saul dammit) | ||
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GargamelxD
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On February 16 2016 08:06 Iwasrobik wrote: Garga could be scum TBF, this unexplained AFK period N1 and N2 when scum has no interest to post are really bad looking. Plus he's super uninterested in the lynch D2. I dont know why he says this, its actually the day where I played the most. His big case on me after dumbtelling warty is sketch cause of the confidence. I could be no where near as confident as him in this situation to the point of skipping a no lynch. It all happened after the situation where Warty was calling him scum, On February 16 2016 08:20 Wartrukk wrote: lol how the fuck is that a dumbtell that would make me town? The read progressions of the two on each other around last night specifically EoN are vital . Quoted is a post I find pretty townie in the situation, as warty is not just content of being townread here based on that dumbtell, upon which we have robik almost sounding apologetic for this: On February 16 2016 08:21 Iwasrobik wrote: it doesn't, but I'm getting out of this habit of dumbtell=town On February 17 2016 01:14 Iwasrobik wrote: The tinfoil on me is super townie. OK I think I have accepted you as town. Wartruk & Garga, if you're doc you need to claim right now. So he finally decides to TR warty for tinfoil (why would it be tinfoil?). And posts a big case on me when not really necessary from a convincing stand point. And it seems like one of these cases of the sort "fuck it I need to win today so heres my last ditch effort". In summary I have a hard time figuring out why exactly these two started TRing each other. If warty took more time with finishing his read on Robik I'd have had an easier time tring him, so im left with saying that atm im more confident on robik being scum of the two, also cause he seems to have been more right on the lynch on Valdi when at the same time he was scumreading Keanu. So this leads me to say: Why was Robik so confident about Valdi being scum when his other scumread was imo the main force behind that lynch? And that is another reason to me to suspect Robik more. | ||
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GargamelxD
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But yeah in your stead I would probably lynch myself too cause ive been on the wrong side of things every day, im not enough of a dick to tactically modkill myself for an easy town win though. You will have to tinfoil on me. Warty is either yams or sl and like me lately they prefer doing other stuff than spending all the time on mafia. Sl plays mafia on the go while hes in dota so im guessing its him. Im quite overburdened with this task of figuring it out for sure in such a short span, ill just do more stuff later, too bad keanu isnt sure either, woulda been an easy sheep | ||
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Iwasrobik
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On February 17 2016 15:57 GargamelxD wrote: I dont know why he says this, its actually the day where I played the most. The post you quoted said "AFK N1 & N2 + uninterested in the lynch", not "AFK D2". On February 17 2016 15:57 GargamelxD wrote: His big case on me after dumbtelling warty is sketch cause of the confidence. I could be no where near as confident as him in this situation to the point of skipping a no lynch. The dumbtell was a joke and it does NOT have any alignment indicative impact on my read on Wartruk. On February 17 2016 15:57 GargamelxD wrote: The read progressions of the two on each other around last night specifically EoN are vital . Quoted is a post I find pretty townie in the situation, as warty is not just content of being townread here based on that dumbtell, upon which we have robik almost sounding apologetic for this: In the post you quoted, I actually explain it it not AI. On February 17 2016 15:57 GargamelxD wrote: So he finally decides to TR warty for tinfoil (why would it be tinfoil?). The post you quoted was adressed to Kaenu. It is actually super clear if you read the thread, so it seems Wartuk is right and you only superfically read filter without the context to find things to attack. Furthermore, to post that you HAVE to think Wartruk tinfoils me, which he didn't. Even after I attacked him hard, he was like "yeah I'll vote Garga if robik stop stupidly attacking me". Why do you think Wartruk tinfoil me ? On February 17 2016 15:57 GargamelxD wrote: And posts a big case on me when not really necessary from a convincing stand point. And it seems like one of these cases of the sort "fuck it I need to win today so heres my last ditch effort". Dude I was the main pusher of "we should NOT lynched anyone today". But now that we have a confirmed town it's bullshit, 'cause scum are only going to attack confirmed townie, so he will either die or he won't, either way we don't have more infos by no lynching. On February 17 2016 15:57 GargamelxD wrote: So this leads me to say: Why was Robik so confident about Valdi being scum when his other scumread was imo the main force behind that lynch? And that is another reason to me to suspect Robik more. This is bullshit. Who is that "other scumread of mine that was the main force behind Valdi's lynch" you're talking about ? | ||
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Iwasrobik
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I would also like you to explain that post. | ||
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