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GargamelxD
59 Posts
You also don't seem interested into what me and keanu bring up on warty, just into lynching me. Overall it's not helpful that you and warty show a similar behaviour in this, makes it harder to figure out the last one between you. Anyone can write a case on someone in this game and sound somewhat right, but there's only one solution, and you believe you found it after your echange with warty that still leaves me wondering why you let him off the hook so quickly if not for convenience. | ||
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GargamelxD
59 Posts
I also don't see any relations between Valdi and me or warty that aren't relations Valdi wanted to be in the game. | ||
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keanuisgod
271 Posts
On February 17 2016 22:29 GargamelxD wrote: No, not really, cause I just read this: This makes warty still just as likely to be mafia (which would be nice so i didnt waste my energy on nothing yesterday actually  )The reason for his switch doesn't make much sense if he believes me and robik to be mafia, he should have been confident that we were about to lose the game, not afraid that robik might switch to him leading to valdi being lynched anyway. Imo this is still a strong point to be suspicious of him, mafia might have been afraid of ending up on the wrong wagon here, could easily have been tmi showing itself. Btw the votecount is wrong, keanu voted just before that count, so try to count that in. So as scum, he scumreads robik and you and has no opinion on scumbuddy Valdi (or townreads him), but then suddendly decides to be the decisive vote on his lynch? Remember, without Warty's vote D2 would have been a NL (you weren't around to vote Valdi). What scum motivation is there for that? He makes a very scummy move to lynch his scumbuddy? Is this a rebellion inside the scumteam or something (maybe he hates Valdi or something and wants to win this solo)? | ||
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Iwasrobik
190 Posts
On February 17 2016 22:48 GargamelxD wrote: There's still the fact remaining that now that we've dug up to the point that we know you aren't confident on either me or Warty, you are confident enough to put all eggs in a basket at mylo instead of no lynching, all cause you've written one case, but while having other arguments on warty you didn't seem to want to dig up. You also don't seem interested into what me and keanu bring up on warty, just into lynching me. Overall it's not helpful that you and warty show a similar behaviour in this, makes it harder to figure out the last one between you. Anyone can write a case on someone in this game and sound somewhat right, but there's only one solution, and you believe you found it after your echange with warty that still leaves me wondering why you let him off the hook so quickly if not for convenience. My case makes you scum beyond reasonable doubts. Feel free to answer it if you want to, but I don't think you can do anything to make me townread you, short of discovering a slam dunk scumslip in Wartruk's filter. | ||
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Iwasrobik
190 Posts
On February 17 2016 22:50 GargamelxD wrote: And the tactical afking is a pretty bad argument too, as activity is strictly individual and we're in a smurf game, doesn't matter if you mention others doing it. I also don't see any relations between Valdi and me or warty that aren't relations Valdi wanted to be in the game. Tactical AFKing is actually a super good way of discovering scum, even good ones. I have no idea what you are saying in that second sentence, I've explained in the case why your interactions with Vlad makes you way more likely partner than Wartruk. | ||
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GargamelxD
59 Posts
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Iwasrobik
190 Posts
Rels and Superbia did it in PYP. Palmar did it in Star Wars. Vlad did it in this game. It is something scum just feels the need to do sometimes as posting all the time as scum is super hard. | ||
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Iwasrobik
190 Posts
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GargamelxD
59 Posts
On February 17 2016 22:59 Iwasrobik wrote: To add on "AFKing on tactical moments without explanation" Rels and Superbia did it in PYP. Palmar did it in Star Wars. Vlad did it in this game. It is something scum just feels the need to do sometimes as posting all the time as scum is super hard. If activity is so predictive of mafia, why was the D1 lynch town? Sod off with such arguments, they are the kind of arguments that you can disprove with 1 example. They come from people who think can prove all apples are red by trying to find red apples.... @ Keanu The no lynch thingy actually holds true (unless warty wasnt sure whether valdi would show up to vote), but even then last minute stuff is risky and he didnt know if I was actually around, so idk if I can just buy it so easily. It's a get out of jail free card if we apply it and he's mafia. | ||
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keanuisgod
271 Posts
On February 17 2016 22:29 GargamelxD wrote: No, not really, cause I just read this:. What exactly about what I posted about Warty do you not agree with? I mentioned 4 points, please post what you disagree with them. Gargy, if you are town then from your POV robik should really be scum, so you really should find more incriminating stuff about him, not "dumbtell lies" or confusing shit. Either that or you are NOT making it clear why you think Warty could still be scum, in a believable way at least (based on what was already said about Warty). | ||
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Iwasrobik
190 Posts
On February 17 2016 23:05 GargamelxD wrote: If activity is so predictive of mafia, why was the D1 lynch town? Sod off with such arguments, they are the kind of arguments that you can disprove with 1 example. They come from people who think can prove all apples are red by trying to find red apples.... Cause not all scum do that ???? What I'm saying is "If someone AFKs several times for long stretches of time and comes back without explaining it like nothing happened, it's more like coming from scum than town". Like all heuristic in mafia, it's not 100% but it's surprisingly good for his apparent dumbness. And I'm tired of talking to you. Do one of these things please: - reread my filter and Wartruk filter and decide who you want to push and why - shut up - concede Thanks. | ||
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GargamelxD
59 Posts
On February 17 2016 23:08 keanuisgod wrote: What exactly about what I posted about Warty do you not agree with? I mentioned 4 points, please post what you disagree with them. Gargy, if you are town then from your POV robik should really be scum, so you really should find more incriminating stuff about him, not "dumbtell lies" or confusing shit. Either that or you are NOT making it clear why you think Warty could still be scum, in a believable way at least (based on what was already said about Warty). If his confidence into me being mafia and warty being town that literally came out of the blue and before he actually posted the case on me isn't an argument to you, then lynch me, but lose the game. I already didn't care on D2 when I believed we were going to lose, so I won't care today either. I will do stuff when Im arsed to, but asking me to just eat up your version of events and start posting cases on Robik is insanity. Don't worry however, I'm not done posting. | ||
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keanuisgod
271 Posts
On February 17 2016 23:16 GargamelxD wrote: If his confidence into me being mafia and warty being town that literally came out of the blue and before he actually posted the case on me isn't an argument to you, then lynch me, but lose the game. It is consistent with him rereading the thread. These posts show he's been rereading the whole thread and filters before singling you out as scum: On February 16 2016 08:07 Iwasrobik wrote: Will reread the game before posting again. See you all later On February 16 2016 08:11 Iwasrobik wrote: Yep probably unless I'm convinced one guy is scum On February 17 2016 00:49 Iwasrobik wrote: Kaenu did you reread the game ? I have too much work to do to do that right now, that will wait for tonight =X On February 17 2016 06:55 Iwasrobik wrote: LOL I never properly read this and it is AWESOME ^^ On February 17 2016 07:24 Iwasrobik wrote: HAHAHAHAHA HOW COULD I MISS THAT ITS EVEN BETTER THAN THE FIRST ONE His progression here makes perfect sense: -Wants to NL since he's not sure who's scum out of Gargy/Warty (and me I guess) -Says he will reread the thread to make up his mind, and that he will still NL unless he is sure someone is scum -Actually rereads the thread, and the posts above prove that at least he's been reading jokes and stuff -After rereading the thread, is sure Gargy is scum and thus doesn't want NL anymore. I suppose him wanting everybody to claim is part of that too Could be done as scum too sure, but it's not something that is an "argument [for him being mafia] to me" | ||
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Iwasrobik
190 Posts
That is what it is | ||
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keanuisgod
271 Posts
On February 17 2016 23:16 GargamelxD wrote: ... then lynch me, but lose the game. I can save tonight anyways, so I don't think we should be that concerned about this. If this is the case we'll still have 50/50 chance of getting to D4 | ||
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keanuisgod
271 Posts
On February 17 2016 23:16 GargamelxD wrote: If his confidence into me being mafia and warty being town that literally came out of the blue and before he actually posted the case on me isn't an argument to you ... Yeah this is OMGUS, robik's progression makes perfect sense. This doesn't make much sense either: "his confidence into me being mafia came ... before he actually posted the case on me". Like ... isn't that a natural progression? You read someone, believe they are scum and then make the case. Wtf is the alternative? robik posting the case before being suspicious of Gargy? then lynch me, but lose the game. Fear-mongering. I think I'm showing enough restraint and flexibility right now to be open to any kind of possibility, specially if Gargy is town and someone like robik is scum. I don't think it warrants this kind of response at all if Gargy is town I already didn't care on D2 when I believed we were going to lose, so I won't care today either. Your D2 didn't show that you "believed we were going to lose". If that was the case then even worse, since there was almost no indication of town losing on D2, specially if you thought someone like Warty was scum, which people were suspicious of too. It just feels like retconning your motivations on D2 just to drop the bolded bit. This is also likely coming from scum, since why would town retcon their motivations like that (i.e lie or hide that kind of info)? The bolded bit is just as bad. It's not like Warty's "lack of care" which is heavily documented and explained by him and consistent. Based on your activity and posts, YOU saying "I don't care today" is scummy as hell. I will do stuff when Im arsed to, but asking me to just eat up your version of events and start posting cases on Robik is insanity. Don't worry however, I'm not done posting. It just feels like you are lost and don't actually know if you should push Warty or robik. I don't get a sense of "town indecisiveness", like sometimes Warty shows (by switching between reads, complaining, etc). You OMGUS robik and make all intentions clear that you think he's scum "getting the easy ML", but then you inexplicably still leave Warty open as being scum here, like you are still suspicious of him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502905-new-smurf-mini-mafia?page=38#757 I can't see this happening from a townie POV in this kind of MYLO. Anyways yeah Gargy's scum ##Vote: Gargy When I'm at lunch here I'll reread stuff carefully, but doubt I'll change my mind | ||
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GargamelxD
59 Posts
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GargamelxD
59 Posts
Been in the situation before where you are the main suspect and supposed to be the one delivering cases on everyone else. No, fuck that, you have to do that too. | ||
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Iwasrobik
190 Posts
On February 17 2016 23:11 Iwasrobik wrote: And I'm tired of talking to you. Do one of these things please: - reread my filter and Wartruk filter and decide who you want to push and why - shut up - concede Thanks. | ||
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keanuisgod
271 Posts
On February 18 2016 01:04 GargamelxD wrote: Been in the situation before where you are the main suspect and supposed to be the one delivering cases on everyone else. No, fuck that, you have to do that too. I just did ... | ||
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