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Iwasrobik
Profile Joined February 2016
190 Posts
February 17 2016 16:47 GMT
#781
I'm eating out tonight ^^ so I won't be on a computer before like 2 hours before deadline. I will be kinda there with phone though.
GargamelxD
Profile Joined February 2016
59 Posts
February 17 2016 17:06 GMT
#782
Oh deadline is today? In that case I advise you to no lynch cause I don't plan on putting in any more effort today. Otherwise it's your loss, don't say I didn't warn you :>
GargamelxD
Profile Joined February 2016
59 Posts
February 17 2016 17:22 GMT
#783
Meh will have to settle down for Robik to be town, I'm pretty confident he is, I'm also pretty confident its rels
GargamelxD
Profile Joined February 2016
59 Posts
February 17 2016 17:25 GMT
#784
So yeah at least I was right on warty yesterday, keanus argument is pretty but dead wrong. Warty went for the endgame cred instead of a risky play.

And with this, since I figure you will never ever believe I am town, lynch me, good luck with the save (its a 50 50) and then lynch warty.
keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 17 2016 17:59 GMT
#785
On February 18 2016 02:06 GargamelxD wrote:
Oh deadline is today? In that case I advise you to no lynch cause I don't plan on putting in any more effort today. Otherwise it's your loss, don't say I didn't warn you :>


So what would NL accomplish? We're either exactly the same 3v1 MYLO on D4 or I die tonight and it's 2v1 LYLO (depending how I and scum WIFOM the medic save). Most likely I will have to be forced to prot myself and scum will be forced to shoot me extending this (and on N4 I won't be able to prot myself). Doubt scum will shoot robik/Warty/Gargy because it doesn't benefit him to reduce the number of townies just now.

Do you just somehow "promise" to put more effort if we NL? Why not put that effort now? What's stopping you?

Otherwise it's your loss, don't say I didn't warn you :>


More fear-mongering. What exactly is this supposed to accomplish? Make me feel guilty and lynch someone else just because "well, Gargy warned me and it felt ominous and I got scared"?

On February 18 2016 02:25 GargamelxD wrote:
So yeah at least I was right on warty yesterday, keanus argument is pretty but dead wrong. Warty went for the endgame cred instead of a risky play.


You should replace "instead" with "in spite". If he's scum then bussing his buddy at the last minute getting him lynched IS a risky play, specially since it apparently didn't give him any endgame cred until robik+me pointed it out. If we had been lazy Warty seems wouldn't have pointed it out and he would have gotten lynched.

On February 18 2016 02:22 GargamelxD wrote:
Meh will have to settle down for Robik to be town, I'm pretty confident he is, I'm also pretty confident its rels


Why is robik suddenly town, but Warty "100% responsible for a scum lynch" is not?
Whoa!
GargamelxD
Profile Joined February 2016
59 Posts
February 17 2016 18:04 GMT
#786
im on phone, so ill be brief. i townread robik for some of his questioning of warty earlier on, and a few other posts that just seemed like he was genuinely pointung out stuff that did t make sense. call it feqr mongering but its just facts, qfter my lynch u kill warty if town survives the night
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-17 18:40:44
February 17 2016 18:29 GMT
#787
Wartrukk
Profile Joined February 2016
152 Posts
February 17 2016 18:33 GMT
#788
I feel like there's not much for me to say here as garg digs himself a nice cozy hole but hi rels
keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 17 2016 18:34 GMT
#789
On February 18 2016 03:29 Rels wrote:
Did you finally read our filters before arriving to this conclusion ?


Oh no.

Modkill incoming
Whoa!
keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 17 2016 18:35 GMT
#790
Wait no, Rels smurfailed before game started
Whoa!
GargamelxD
Profile Joined February 2016
59 Posts
February 17 2016 18:45 GMT
#791
On February 18 2016 03:33 Wartrukk wrote:
I feel like there's not much for me to say here as garg digs himself a nice cozy hole but hi rels


yours is already pretty deep too so enjoy the 50 percent chance of winning when the night is over
Wartrukk
Profile Joined February 2016
152 Posts
February 17 2016 18:54 GMT
#792
On February 18 2016 03:45 GargamelxD wrote:
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On February 18 2016 03:33 Wartrukk wrote:
I feel like there's not much for me to say here as garg digs himself a nice cozy hole but hi rels


yours is already pretty deep too so enjoy the 50 percent chance of winning when the night is over

what does this even mean?
keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 17 2016 19:06 GMT
#793
I want to dig holes too! Count me in!
Whoa!
Iwasrobik
Profile Joined February 2016
190 Posts
February 17 2016 21:07 GMT
#794
Back on a computer p:
Iwasrobik
Profile Joined February 2016
190 Posts
February 17 2016 21:08 GMT
#795
Garga did you read any posts that made you settle your mind on those reads ? Did you reread anything ?
keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 17 2016 21:39 GMT
#796
Iwasrobik:

Confidence and overall play:
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CBA to get posts, but he starts right off the bat with confident reads and a "gonna catch them all" attitude, which does feel townie.
Said attitude is consistent since he came into the game in N1 until now. I haven't seen him go AFK, or stop giving a shit, etc. I haven't seen him change his behaviour so far.

He also feels no fear in calling people scum, being aggressive about it, etc. But all of that with justification and stuff.

Not only that, for being so active and contributing so much, it feels like it's done with moving town forward. It doesn't feel like he is trying to shit the thread and misdirect town, not at all. For instance his D2 was insanely focused and it netted us a scum Valdi. It just doesn't feel right him being scum and act "pro-town" this way.

It's not like he's posting to hide behind walls of texts and spam, his posts feel like they have meaning behind them.


Drunk Posting:
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He posted drunk the other day

On February 14 2016 08:09 Iwasrobik wrote:
Yo I'm super drunk so I'll pass out and wont come back before tomorrow. Some posts made me want to puke more than alcohol though during reading, by both warttuk on my reads that are suddenly bullshit and kaenu s attack on me


On February 14 2016 08:10 Iwasrobik wrote:
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On February 14 2016 08:06 keanuisgod wrote:
Ok.

My "narrative" regarding robik is this:
I'm thinking that robik (and scumteam by association) think the medic is between Gargy/Warty (whoever is townie between thme or both), so he HAS to go after me and leave those two be to be safe. I mean, you can't prop up the medic as your D3 mislynch since once he claims your plans are fucked.
So he HAS to make a shitty case on me and push me as "obvious scum" for it to work, i.e it's less risky for scum.
Valdi can be scumbuddy under the bus or just townie robik is latching on for D2 misslynch

But well, obviously this is a narrative that only works assuming he's scum

No wait this obviously is super bad but this post is 90% from a townie. Shapelog attacked me with narrative like that in a game I didn't have time to play, keanu is shape right ? I read that somewhere.


From what I've seen drunk posting comes from town like 80% of the time. He even makes a switch in his reads or whatever while drunk. Hard to fake as scum.
(Note: I also posted drunk in this thread. See if you can find it!)


Evolution of his keanu read:
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I feel his read on me evolved in a townie way, similar to how saitama viewed me on D1.
Initially he found me pretty scummy because of my "waffly" Bhaal case and not taking strong stances. But after interacting with me he finds himself thinking I may be town, and later is convinced
On February 15 2016 00:15 Iwasrobik wrote:
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On February 14 2016 03:47 keanuisgod wrote:
Anyways robik, I am not sure you believe your own case against me, it seems to me like you haven't even read my filter (though I'm biased since I now my alignment obs).

Your only points are:
- "Fluff" posts and "He's not trying to solve the game" attitude when it was like 2-4 hours into D1, conveniently ignoring anything else from late-D1 (where shit actually matters).
- The Bhaal case, which also had an illogical point (the last one). I can't really call you out on you thinking that about me because of the Bhaal case since you weren't there in the thread when it happened (though I guess you can still reread the thread carefully to figure things out). So I'll ignore that (other than the bad point you made). I advise you to reread that part of the thread carefully.
- Don't call too many people scum. I can see how you may think this might be "scummy" in isolation, but context is everything so I believe just reading the thread and my filter would dissipate any doubts regarding this point.

The last point was the reason I was sure you were scum. Now I think you're town, but maybe try to take stronger stances in the future, as you didn't take one the whole game. For example, your votes were "fuck it I'm voting LS", "damnit I'm voting goldrom the only lynch potential" and "I'm bored I'm voting robik". Even now against me, you're unsure and it seems like you're asking others' opinion to scumread me. Being that indecisive is the easiest way to be manipulated in mafia; do stuff, attack people on things you think make them scum, make them react. That's what I did, and I think you're town now 'casue of your thinking about why I would attack you as scum was kinda smart.


This feels genuine. If he was scum I would have thought his agenda D2 was "Bus Valdi and tunnel keanu for a ML later in the game". But his playon late-D2 and progression of his read on me doesn't feel like something a scum would plan.


Natural "NL -> Lynch Garga" progression on N2/D3:
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On February 17 2016 23:29 keanuisgod wrote:
Okay, what is your narrative right now then?

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On February 17 2016 23:16 GargamelxD wrote:
If his confidence into me being mafia and warty being town that literally came out of the blue and before he actually posted the case on me isn't an argument to you, then lynch me, but lose the game.


It is consistent with him rereading the thread. These posts show he's been rereading the whole thread and filters before singling you out as scum:

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On February 16 2016 08:07 Iwasrobik wrote:
Will reread the game before posting again. See you all later


Show nested quote +
On February 16 2016 08:11 Iwasrobik wrote:
On February 16 2016 08:07 keanuisgod wrote:
You still want that NL robik?

Yep probably unless I'm convinced one guy is scum


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On February 17 2016 00:49 Iwasrobik wrote:
Kaenu did you reread the game ? I have too much work to do to do that right now, that will wait for tonight =X


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On February 17 2016 06:55 Iwasrobik wrote:
On February 11 2016 11:25 keanuisgod wrote:
I always found that "tunneling" mechanic weird, in a philosophical sense.
How can you push the lynch for someone, specially on D1, with so little knowledge? How can you be sure he's scum? How can you make your posts reflect this?
Should you convince yourself that you are sure he's scum, just so your posts reflect that and you can get the lynch more smoothly? Or do you keep the doubt (that he might be town) in your heart, and in the thread pretend you are really sure? If you post your doubts and concerns then people will jump at you and said lynch may not go through (or they may FOS you). However, if you "lie", then the lynch might go through without a hitch. But ... aren't you lying to yourself there? If the dude actually flips town, wouldn't you have wanted someone to confirm your concerns so you wouldn't have lynch a townie? How can you live with the guilt in that case? Even in the case the dude flips scum, how can you take this risk, every single game, where at some point he might flip town and you'll have to face this guilt eventually?
What is it that you ought to do?

Mafia is hard yo

LOL
I never properly read this and it is AWESOME ^^


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On February 17 2016 07:24 Iwasrobik wrote:
On February 12 2016 06:28 Bhaal LoM wrote:
On February 12 2016 06:20 Wartrukk wrote:
Why did halo lamb get a free pass?

Halo lamb types a lot like LS, to contradict my early game and smurfhunt

Who is LS? I never heard of him honestly. Like I said I haven't played since 2013. Is he a good or bad player?

On February 12 2016 06:29 Bhaal LoM wrote:
BTW I don't even know what LS even means o.o

HAHAHAHAHA HOW COULD I MISS THAT ITS EVEN BETTER THAN THE FIRST ONE


His progression here makes perfect sense:
-Wants to NL since he's not sure who's scum out of Gargy/Warty (and me I guess)
-Says he will reread the thread to make up his mind, and that he will still NL unless he is sure someone is scum
-Actually rereads the thread, and the posts above prove that at least he's been reading jokes and stuff
-After rereading the thread, is sure Gargy is scum and thus doesn't want NL anymore. I suppose him wanting everybody to claim is part of that too

Could be done as scum too sure, but it's not something that is an "argument [for him being mafia] to me"


Also, I would have expected scum robik to just keep pounding on Warty. Remember EVERYBODY ALIVE on N1 (except himself) thought Warty was scum. NNN even died "being brought into the Warty wagon". robik was not suspected at this point, so him going through the whole "rereading" thing and then believing that Garga was scum instead feels like unnecessary effort for a scum robik.


Conclusion:
-Has natural progression on his reads, with explanations, "in-thread" reactions that show the evolution of his reads, etc
-Confident, active, cares about the game, etc
-Genuine evolution of his read on me, similar to saitama's
-Lots of content/scumhunting
-Genuine D3 in reading Garga as scum
-Bus on Valdi that doesn't make much sense if he's scum (when he could have easily shitted the thread going against me instead).

Very likely town
Whoa!
Iwasrobik
Profile Joined February 2016
190 Posts
February 17 2016 22:14 GMT
#797
On February 13 2016 13:03 keanuisgod wrote:
Dunno if id make associations like this right now.
Though to be honest i really thought robik would vote me lol. Maybe its misddirection whatever

On February 13 2016 13:24 keanuisgod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2016 04:36 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
On February 13 2016 04:25 keanuisgod wrote:
Now that you are here, what about Gargy?

I get the feeling he's too confrontational and "in-your-face" to be scum, but based on PoE he's up there, at least considering the facts (the vote on a lurker without many other contributions regarding scum, etc)


Yes. It is suspicious how he showed up right after bhaal mentioned him, deflected onto 77, then fucked off.

But I don't see him as especially scummy actually. He had solid points against 77.
Awkward opening, bad vt claim, late to the party, etc.
Plus you can't really fault someone for a lurker lynch..

It's a very weak read. Hopefully garg gives us more content to judge him off of.


Wat changed yor mind?

On February 13 2016 15:22 keanuisgod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2016 10:20 Iwasrobik wrote:
To finish quickly before leaving:
kush is town 'cause he is the the main force behind discussion in this game.


Also, considering I'm in a competition with NNN for most try-hard townie this game, this breaks my heart ;_;

Drunk posts ?
keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 17 2016 22:28 GMT
#798
First 2 only (got sobered up by the 3rd one).
Whoa!
Iwasrobik
Profile Joined February 2016
190 Posts
February 17 2016 22:29 GMT
#799
Yeah =D
Iwasrobik
Profile Joined February 2016
190 Posts
February 17 2016 22:30 GMT
#800
Only thing left to solve is saitama and Garga's identites, any guess ?
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