EPTOverall play:
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I'll accept that Garga's actual play is null to me. I can't get a town or scum feeling of the way he's posting, contrary to how I can get town feelings from Warty or robik.
His undescifrable posts, the way he posts, his vote on Gold, etc, they all are null to me, can't get any feel out of them.
Stance on Valdi:
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His stance on Valdi is very weird, basically NEVER mentioning him only saying he's HTS and town:
On February 12 2016 00:24 GargamelxD wrote:
im sure who valdiano is but might be a pro impostor, kinda doubt it though.
the player is town
im sure who valdiano is but might be a pro impostor, kinda doubt it though.
the player is town
On February 13 2016 23:07 GargamelxD wrote:
the nk does implicate wartrukk, saitama wasnt really the shining beacon of townieness to warrant being NKd, so i suppose it was cause of his reads..
valdiano is hts and town imo.
the nk does implicate wartrukk, saitama wasnt really the shining beacon of townieness to warrant being NKd, so i suppose it was cause of his reads..
valdiano is hts and town imo.
That's it, I don't think I found any other thoughts on Valdi regarding him. This would be null in itself, but it's so weird and null and Warty and robik feel town that it's pretty scummy.
He also only mentions Valdi in passing but only when "accusing" (or slightly being suspicious) of me:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502905-new-smurf-mini-mafia?page=25#487
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502905-new-smurf-mini-mafia?page=26#503
I can't make sense of how a town Gargy would just straight up claim Valdi was HTS and town, without offering any explanation or proof/justification for either. Like, Valdi is getting lynched, and Gargy is so sure he's town because of smurfhunting, surely it'd be important to mention it more in the thread and fight against the Valdi lynch?
The scummy thing is not only having a town read based on bullshit reasons, it's not just not mentioning Valdi again, it's not doing any of those when Valdi is the leading lynch on D2 and Gargy is active and posting. He preffered to spend time arguing with me about some stuff and Warty or whatever.
Undescifrable posts:
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Damn he has many of these:
On February 11 2016 16:50 GargamelxD wrote:
expand on gargamel and rom are bad and then this post
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expand on gargamel and rom are bad and then this post
On February 15 2016 04:51 GargamelxD wrote:
Get your facts straight what the fuck.
And that makes my argument strong again
Get your facts straight what the fuck.
And that makes my argument strong again
On February 15 2016 08:31 GargamelxD wrote:
I just spent the entire end of the day ranting about how I felt it was exactly not the case
I just spent the entire end of the day ranting about how I felt it was exactly not the case
On February 13 2016 23:10 GargamelxD wrote:
incompatibility detected
incompatibility detected
Yeah, can't make sense of this, just felt necessary to post them lol. Again, just feels null in a weird way.
FOS on Warty:
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His FOS on Warty on D2 makes little sense.
Times he mentions him:
On February 13 2016 23:07 GargamelxD wrote:
the nk does implicate wartrukk, saitama wasnt really the shining beacon of townieness to warrant being NKd, so i suppose it was cause of his reads.
the nk does implicate wartrukk, saitama wasnt really the shining beacon of townieness to warrant being NKd, so i suppose it was cause of his reads.
On February 14 2016 00:22 GargamelxD wrote:
Wartrukk also didnt comment on any of the reasons for why people went for the rom lynch.
why are you failing to notice this nnn? theres the feeling you are biased towards wartrukk
Wartrukk also didnt comment on any of the reasons for why people went for the rom lynch.
why are you failing to notice this nnn? theres the feeling you are biased towards wartrukk
On February 14 2016 05:34 GargamelxD wrote:
im not sure yet about the other one but im pretty confident warty is mafia.
im not sure yet about the other one but im pretty confident warty is mafia.
On February 15 2016 04:58 GargamelxD wrote:
There are numerous instances in wartys filter where he goes to read some filter and then never comes back with a finished read on them.
You just have to read his filter to believe, there is barely any read progression in it, he just reacts to stuff happening in a given moment
There are numerous instances in wartys filter where he goes to read some filter and then never comes back with a finished read on them.
You just have to read his filter to believe, there is barely any read progression in it, he just reacts to stuff happening in a given moment
This was indeed mentioned before. He bases his D2 vote on Warty just on that last point above. After and before that he makes no mention of Warty (other than weird reasons or bad reasons like WIFOMing the N1 NK).
This is very weak for a D2 lynch on scum.
Time on D2 wasted arguing with me:
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502905-new-smurf-mini-mafia?page=24#477
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502905-new-smurf-mini-mafia?page=24#480
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502905-new-smurf-mini-mafia?page=25#487
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502905-new-smurf-mini-mafia?page=26#503
This is something I find weird too. He spends the majority of his D2 posts arguing with me, using very bad reasoning: "There's no reason for you to believe that either me or warty are doing something stupid unless you are confident we're both town".
He also keeps ignoring Valdi and making a stance on him, even though he mentions him in those posts when attacking me.
His attack on me isn't really scummy per se (at least I can't read it that way). What I find scummy is him basically only doing that (attack me) throughout mid-D2/late-D2, and not doing other things for the lynch, like taking a stance on Valdi, etc.
Lack of "care" and behavior this D3
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On February 18 2016 00:35 keanuisgod wrote:
Yeah this is OMGUS, robik's progression makes perfect sense.
This doesn't make much sense either: "his confidence into me being mafia came ... before he actually posted the case on me". Like ... isn't that a natural progression? You read someone, believe they are scum and then make the case. Wtf is the alternative? robik posting the case before being suspicious of Gargy?
Fear-mongering.
I think I'm showing enough restraint and flexibility right now to be open to any kind of possibility, specially if Gargy is town and someone like robik is scum. I don't think it warrants this kind of response at all if Gargy is town
Your D2 didn't show that you "believed we were going to lose". If that was the case then even worse, since there was almost no indication of town losing on D2, specially if you thought someone like Warty was scum, which people were suspicious of too.
It just feels like retconning your motivations on D2 just to drop the bolded bit. This is also likely coming from scum, since why would town retcon their motivations like that (i.e lie or hide that kind of info)?
The bolded bit is just as bad. It's not like Warty's "lack of care" which is heavily documented and explained by him and consistent. Based on your activity and posts, YOU saying "I don't care today" is scummy as hell.
It just feels like you are lost and don't actually know if you should push Warty or robik. I don't get a sense of "town indecisiveness", like sometimes Warty shows (by switching between reads, complaining, etc). You OMGUS robik and make all intentions clear that you think he's scum "getting the easy ML", but then you inexplicably still leave Warty open as being scum here, like you are still suspicious of him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502905-new-smurf-mini-mafia?page=38#757
I can't see this happening from a townie POV in this kind of MYLO.
Anyways yeah Gargy's scum
##Vote: Gargy
When I'm at lunch here I'll reread stuff carefully, but doubt I'll change my mind
Yeah this is OMGUS, robik's progression makes perfect sense.
This doesn't make much sense either: "his confidence into me being mafia came ... before he actually posted the case on me". Like ... isn't that a natural progression? You read someone, believe they are scum and then make the case. Wtf is the alternative? robik posting the case before being suspicious of Gargy?
Fear-mongering.
I think I'm showing enough restraint and flexibility right now to be open to any kind of possibility, specially if Gargy is town and someone like robik is scum. I don't think it warrants this kind of response at all if Gargy is town
Your D2 didn't show that you "believed we were going to lose". If that was the case then even worse, since there was almost no indication of town losing on D2, specially if you thought someone like Warty was scum, which people were suspicious of too.
It just feels like retconning your motivations on D2 just to drop the bolded bit. This is also likely coming from scum, since why would town retcon their motivations like that (i.e lie or hide that kind of info)?
The bolded bit is just as bad. It's not like Warty's "lack of care" which is heavily documented and explained by him and consistent. Based on your activity and posts, YOU saying "I don't care today" is scummy as hell.
It just feels like you are lost and don't actually know if you should push Warty or robik. I don't get a sense of "town indecisiveness", like sometimes Warty shows (by switching between reads, complaining, etc). You OMGUS robik and make all intentions clear that you think he's scum "getting the easy ML", but then you inexplicably still leave Warty open as being scum here, like you are still suspicious of him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502905-new-smurf-mini-mafia?page=38#757
I can't see this happening from a townie POV in this kind of MYLO.
Anyways yeah Gargy's scum
##Vote: Gargy
When I'm at lunch here I'll reread stuff carefully, but doubt I'll change my mind
robik's case on Gargy:
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502905-new-smurf-mini-mafia?page=36#715
I said what Valdi said of people was basically null to me.
However, I agree with Gargy not caring about the lynch on D2 (he had his vote wasted on Warty and only spent time attacking me for chainsaw defending him).
I also agree with the read on Vlad thingy, and the lack of activity, which seems like "strategic AFK". He has no explanations for big gaps of activity, other than "This shouldn't be alignment-indicative". And he's been absent from important parts of the day, like the D2 lynch on Valdi.
Conclusion:
-Based on many things, Gargy would just be straight null to me.
-His read on Valdi and his stance on him on D2 is too weird and weak to come from a townie
-Unexplained and "strategic" inactivity
-Very scummy behavior on this D3
-Very little interest in the lynch and the game from D2 onwards
Likely scum.
Based on my read of Gargy ALONE it's more null than scum though. But I'm confident he's scum at the very least because I read robik and Warty as town MUCH MUCH MORE (relatively to Gargy).
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