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nnn_thekushmountains
Profile Joined February 2016
1501 Posts
February 14 2016 21:14 GMT
#501
@garg, there's no reason why valdi should be town.
He's reading posts and nitpicking on inconsistencies and stuff. But there's no connection to actual scum hunting there.

keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 14 2016 21:14 GMT
#502
On February 15 2016 06:00 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
So yeah valdi, robik final answer.


On February 15 2016 05:45 Wartrukk wrote:
Right now I'm thinking robik and garg is the most likely scumteam


We are getting to a point where FOSes get flung around and constantly change between different scumteams and the like, without much second thought nor posting thorough reasoning of it, etc

It feels like scum are having a field day with this.

@NNN, what's your thought process of believing Garga was scum, then Warty is scum (or was it the other way round?), now robik as scum? What made you change your mind in that way? Posts that were ocurring? Some reread of filters? I take it your read on Valdi doesn't change at all in this time then?

@Garga, ok, that's sound reasoning for FOSing Warty. Are you very confident in that Warty read? And again, what about robik and Valdi? Are you just unsure about them so you want to focus on Warty, or what?

@Warty: Your filter indicates some suspicion on Gargamel and robik, but please explain yourself more. Again, what about Valdi?


Valdi is indeed the weirdest link here. NNN and robik are sure sure he's scum. Warty and Garga are sure sure he's town. He's been inactive since the middle of D1 and hasn't posted anything at all, hell might even get modkilled today or something.
Wtf is going on really? Robik and NNN, there is nothing from Valdi that can actually indicate inactive townie so far (since he hasn't posted anything from D1 other than the "excuse" post)? Warty and Garga .... wtf please post actually meaningful reads on Valdi other than "At one point he made posts for me to read" and "He's HTS lol he's town".


Anyways I've been procrastinating a little bit so I'll get to those rereads
Whoa!
GargamelxD
Profile Joined February 2016
59 Posts
February 14 2016 21:16 GMT
#503
And i dont care to make shiny cases for lazy towns. I present to you things bit by bit and expect you to get interested into it and then check things out for yourself. Im not your summary machine, i dont expect anyone to be my summary machine either.

On February 13 2016 03:45 keanuisgod wrote:
Do you think that's strong enough? I am not comfortable enough in smurf reads and meta to based a scum read on them, at least personally. I suppose it can strenghen a case though.

If we are still on the "lt's shit on Valdi a little bit", I found it somewhat scummy that he didn't really interact much with the thread. He kind of just came to the thread, dumped all his reads and "attempts at understanding" and then just waited, ocassionally responding to someone about saita and stuff. Didn't see him engaged with the thread at all (like Bhaal was for instance).
That's the same feeling I get from Warty too. For instance, Garga doesn't give me that feeling for exmaple (he felt engaged in the thread for a while), though in Garga's case I'm not sure if it gives him town points, but rather makes it NAI. I find lack of engagement with the thread pretty indicative of scum


Alone for the weighting hes giving to me and valdi compared to the weighting he gives to warty in forming his reads (on extremely waffly reasoning, a lot of this post is hogwash and wishwash if you try to follow this line of reasoning).

Ok, valdi mafia cause dumps reads.
He gets the same feeling from warty.
Not from me, but for me its NAI for unspecified reasons.

And today hes wartys prime defender, directly and by chainsaw on me.

On February 13 2016 04:25 keanuisgod wrote:
Now that you are here, what about Gargy?

I get the feeling he's too confrontational and "in-your-face" to be scum, but based on PoE he's up there, at least considering the facts (the vote on a lurker without many other contributions regarding scum, etc)


He follows it up with this.

He never follows things up with going after wartrukk based on what he posts, but he 100 % goes on Valdi.
nnn_thekushmountains
Profile Joined February 2016
1501 Posts
February 14 2016 21:18 GMT
#504
@keanu, i mean valdi, garg in that first quote.
But garg has been here looking townie enough so I changed to valdi, robik.
Basically I've been looking at war, garg, robik for the last scum, and I've only just made up my mind

Anyway, the whole scumteam doesn't matter right now. We need to come up with who we are going to lynch and valdi needs to go.
Also we need consolidation. If robik is scum, he can and will last minute switch onto another wagon.
keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 14 2016 21:27 GMT
#505
Okay, I may end up sheeping into the Valdi wagon but first I'll finish rereading.

@Gargy: To be honest until right now I get the feeling you are more likely to be town and Warty to be scum, any "chainsaw defense" is actually an attack on your reasoning, not any actual defense. Anyways don't really worry about me
Whoa!
nnn_thekushmountains
Profile Joined February 2016
1501 Posts
February 14 2016 21:36 GMT
#506
keanu you kinda don't have a choice but to go on valdi if you think about it.
keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 14 2016 21:39 GMT
#507
Hmm...I have an idea though
Whoa!
Iwasrobik
Profile Joined February 2016
190 Posts
February 14 2016 21:43 GMT
#508
On February 15 2016 05:43 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
I read over robik's case on keanu again and that case is actually not convincing me that robik is town.

Yep my case wasn't very good, they were the reasons I scumread kaenu in the first place but the only reason I had to scumread him reading his filter was not solving the game ever. Which is a pretty damn good reason.
Iwasrobik
Profile Joined February 2016
190 Posts
February 14 2016 21:44 GMT
#509
On February 15 2016 06:09 GargamelxD wrote:
im ticking in keanu wartrukk.

Wartrukk cause of reasons and cause of the NK.

if keanu is superbia it also makes perfect sense hes so proficient scum.

Some of his posts havent come from a townie mindset, not just on this day but somewhere i pointed out another example.

Why is Vlad town ?
Iwasrobik
Profile Joined February 2016
190 Posts
February 14 2016 21:46 GMT
#510
On February 15 2016 06:14 keanuisgod wrote:
Wtf is going on really? Robik and NNN, there is nothing from Valdi that can actually indicate inactive townie so far (since he hasn't posted anything from D1 other than the "excuse" post)? Warty and Garga .... wtf please post actually meaningful reads on Valdi other than "At one point he made posts for me to read" and "He's HTS lol he's town".

So ... you are scumreading him right here right ? But you want to be convinced to vote for him ? It's pretty weird, if ytou trhink he's scum because " there is nothing from Valdi that can actually indicate inactive townie so far", you should convince others to vote for him, not the other way around.
Iwasrobik
Profile Joined February 2016
190 Posts
February 14 2016 21:48 GMT
#511
On February 15 2016 06:18 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Also we need consolidation. If robik is scum, he can and will last minute switch onto another wagon.

No way my partner would be the person I agressively push as soon as I enter the thread. Although this is meta so I can't prove it.
keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 14 2016 21:48 GMT
#512
That was a question (I phrased wrongly):

"Robik and NNN, do you think there is anything at all from Valdi that could actually indicate inactive townie instead of scum?"
Whoa!
Iwasrobik
Profile Joined February 2016
190 Posts
February 14 2016 21:49 GMT
#513
On February 15 2016 06:48 keanuisgod wrote:
That was a question (I phrased wrongly):

"Robik and NNN, do you think there is anything at all from Valdi that could actually indicate inactive townie instead of scum?"

Well I still don't understand why you townread the guy all game, and why you are undecided now.
keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 14 2016 21:53 GMT
#514
Mainly because he hasn't actually had the "time" to properly respond to the cases against him, and to actually scumhunt. Dude's been inactive since the middle of D1, and a lot of interesting shit has happened since. I don't think him "not scumhunting" much at that point is THAT indicative, considering few people were at that point (again, the thread consensus at the time was "We don't know wtf is happening, let's lynch a lurker").

But the thing he did post can be indicative of scum so I don't oppose the D2 wagon on him ... at least not at this very moment (I would have wanted Valdi to be here at the start of D2 and then evolve it from there)
Whoa!
nnn_thekushmountains
Profile Joined February 2016
1501 Posts
February 14 2016 22:00 GMT
#515
I'm scumreading valdi for d1.
Not being here d2 doesn't help but its not why I'm scumreading him
Iwasrobik
Profile Joined February 2016
190 Posts
February 14 2016 22:00 GMT
#516
I thought he replaced at the middle of D1 ?
nnn_thekushmountains
Profile Joined February 2016
1501 Posts
February 14 2016 22:04 GMT
#517
On February 15 2016 07:00 Iwasrobik wrote:
I thought he replaced at the middle of D1 ?

A but earlier than that I think
nnn_thekushmountains
Profile Joined February 2016
1501 Posts
February 14 2016 22:11 GMT
#518
On February 15 2016 06:48 Iwasrobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2016 06:18 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Also we need consolidation. If robik is scum, he can and will last minute switch onto another wagon.

No way my partner would be the person I agressively push as soon as I enter the thread. Although this is meta so I can't prove it.

You aggressively pushed Keanu not really valdi
Iwasrobik
Profile Joined February 2016
190 Posts
February 14 2016 22:14 GMT
#519
On February 15 2016 06:53 keanuisgod wrote:
Dude's been inactive since the middle of D1, and a lot of interesting shit has happened since.

He was there both days of D1 at approximativaly the same though. He just AFKd his vote on a lurker town and GTFO.
Actually that is even more scum indicative. The dude was AFK since 3/4 of D1 to 1/2 of D2, so for like 50 hours. Townie are more likely to explain why they are AFK than scum. That seems stupid but it's the case. p:
Iwasrobik
Profile Joined February 2016
190 Posts
February 14 2016 22:16 GMT
#520
On February 15 2016 07:11 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2016 06:48 Iwasrobik wrote:
On February 15 2016 06:18 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Also we need consolidation. If robik is scum, he can and will last minute switch onto another wagon.

No way my partner would be the person I agressively push as soon as I enter the thread. Although this is meta so I can't prove it.

You aggressively pushed Keanu not really valdi

I voted Vlad and changed my mind on Kaenu it's not really invalid either.
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